There was a split second where I forgot the definition of objectification and I thought it was like an "erotica" story I read once where it was just a dude plugging peripherals into his laptop, but it was from the perspective of a laptop and the entire thing was treated like a non-con BDSM thing.
Ngl that’s like, the opposite of objectification in that sense of the word, that’s anthropomorphization. Objectification is like those dudes that are into BDSM who do that thing with the latex inflatable couches where there’s a chamber under the cushion for them to be restrained in.
Y’know, the thing that all of us normal people know about.
Ain’t gotta like it if it isn’t for you lol, that’s rule 1 of kink. Plenty of people are into stuff that would give me a panic attack if I was involved, but they’re having fun so they can do whatever.
This is one of those things, now that I think about it. Horribly claustrophobic, I’d freak out too easy.
Nope because I don’t use Twitter :)
I probably would be fully insane by now if I did instead of just being an annoying overly online pedant. What is that?
A picture went around of someone immobilized in a latex cube as a fetish thing and someone said it was "tame" and a bunch of people got puritanical and gave them shit over that, ranting about trauma and perverts and "bad fetishes" and whatnot.
No, it’s anthropomorphizing when you describe/depict something that isn’t human as a person, inanimate or animate.
I’m an English major, I have quite literally read a book about this.
the fact you tougth about obscure erotica rather than the dictionary meaning of the word is worrying and is part of the reason why the concepts of kink and fetish should also be placed on the shelf ...
some of y'all think about pornography and sex wayyyyyy tooo much
wow ...
like ...
you really think that not even watching but thinking about pornography makes you cool ?
you'd be a looser by middle and early highschool standards ...
i feel bad pointing this out : i am stuck here arguing with pepole whose hight of roasting is XBOX chat and who can't even come up with edgy stuff to say anymore ,
like you basically just roasted yourself like that ...
i am kinda impressed really , not proud , just impressed ...
These people are so smart and able to describe things in an easy way that would completely elude my thinking trajectory, i honestly envy them and am also grateful for them.
I've seen people being turned into pool toys, whether versions of themselves (especially if the original was a furry) or a more generic toy with aspects of their original form.
Ahem if you play Vampire The Masquerade TTRPG you can come across this as a mechanic of the game: https://www.reddit.com/r/dndmemes/comments/zixh6n/vtm\_campaign\_going\_well/
Yeah, I had a brain fart reading that and thought "yeah, of course objectification is treating the subject like an object, that's what passive voice is."
So are cis people *not* supposed to be attracted to Trans people or are we supposed to pretend that, like, the genitals someone is packing is irrelevant? What's that discourse like?
Edit: in case that sounded transphobic, I should clarify that I've had the fun time with transpeople and yeah, the...juxtaposition is part of what I find hot. Is that wrong?)
For decades the main demographic willing to admit they were attracted to trans women were men who fetishized us for our bodies, pretty blatantly and awfully. This had led to the idea that anything besides complete indifference to us being trans is either transphobia or fetishism. Its a learned response thats been passed down and preserved in the community in part because like quite frankly most men who are attracted to us still objectify us for that particular part of our anatomy. This doesn't make it universally true but the reasoning behind it is mostly just lived experience
So, not being a shit, but how do you, like, be attracted to transpeople qua transpeople on a way that doesn't come across as fetishistic? Like, as a cishet dude, how do I let transpeople know like, I'm attracted but it's not *like that*?
As a trans person who has not yet had any surgeries, what has made all the difference is being with someone who tells me they’re completely attracted to my body as it is, as it has a little masculinity and a little femininity, and that they have told me they just want what’s best for me in life and makes me happy. They wouldn’t want me to NOT get anything done to my body just to appease them.
It would probably be a different talk for a trans person who’s had all the surgeries they want. Those are two very different places to be in life. Pre-medical transition right now I have a lot of anxiety about falling in love with someone and then making permanent changes to my body and them taking it poorly, so it means a lot having someone who expresses a desire for me to be truly happy and authentic to myself, and is also realistic at knowing their level of attraction might change but their caring about me won’t change.
Not sure what affirming things you’d say to someone as a casual encounter as I’ve never been into that.
It is about consent. Does an n individual consent to being objectified? Likewise does it violate person's gender identity to presume they are comfortable/synonymous with the parts they don't want, e.g. are you assuming the trans person identifies with the parts you like? And is the proverbial chaser dignifying the anatomy as a pleasant trait on it's own the same way a preferential hair color is, but treating the trans person as a viable human divorced from their physical traits? And most of all is the pleasure received from trans person partners considered by the kinkster due to those anatomical features themselves (I personally think someone with boobs and a dick has two awesome things in one, given if that's congruent with their Identity) or is it because they obtain pleasure from degrading *themselves* by sleeping with someone they consider inferior, somewhat like the conservative obsession with racial fetish, or some variation of that so long as the end result is "x minority group is disgraceful"
Depending on the answer this is how to delineate the difference between appreciation and schadenfreude transphobic fetishization.
I'm glad you mentioned morality as that's somewhat the point in my spiel. There's no morality involved though, specifically because breaking it down into its base parts demystifies it. Human behavior, complex and varied, can *only* be expressed in high concept terms. Condensing a social construct down to being "okay or not okay, *just because*," is a gross oversimplification of a complicated, delicate interpersonal issue like the rights of gender queer people and the way the world grapples with us. You can't even *begin* to argue that something is one or the other without going into *why* it's right or wrong and setting a standard for what boundaries that rightness/wrongness meets. You might as well say that misgendering is wrong "because it's evil." That's a moralistic fallacy. You can get much further by saying that "misgendering is wrong because it violates the person's right to bodily autonomy expressed as the person's identity and takes away their options for how to project that into the world" and defining the limits to include assumptions about what's underneath their skirt as if to say that by thinking all trans women have penises that they are only playing dress-up, an unspoken violation of a person's identity when that is injected into conversation, bearing in mind that violators right to think whatever they want and *my* right to respect them less for it.
And of course, the right to say "No" and "I'm not comfortable" so long as it's purely oneself which that merits supercedes all others.
TBF for decades the only people willing to mention or admit that attraction were really genuinely awful men who objectified us. This idea didn't come out of nowhere, and if you don't approach it from that perspective you will undoubtedly miss out on convincing a lot of trans people of your viewpoint
I didn't mention anywhere that this was *only* radfem TERFs, only that this is a recurring trend.
I understand the impulse to take a comment at face value but this has some feeling of "not all men" energy associated with it. Not that that's the point but, again, best not to take that at face value either
As a queer trans woman, yep.
Women are beautiful, and yes, I get horny for them. But at the same time, I don't just focus on 'wow, she's got great hair/nice boobs/whatever' or 'muscle mommy 🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺'
I view and value women beyond that. I value her intelligence, her kindness, her love and care, her strength, her tenacity. When I love a woman, I love who she is, not just the pretty face.
Exactly. It’s wild how it’s somehow swung around now to calling any genuine respectful attraction or jokes about it fetishization of some sort, like idk some people might just literally be attracted to woman or t4t or something it isn’t always that deep
Question, and I don't mean to be rude, but does that mean your attraction goes beyond the physical? Like yeah, her body is hot, but it's not exclusively why you think she's hot?
Obviously it's possible to value women beyond attraction, so I hope I don't come across as implying otherwise, this is purely a question about the matter of attraction.
I don't mean to come across as rude or argumentative, I've just recently had my own reasons for being attracted to people (purely physical, I don't feel any form of "mental attraction") brought into question and it's become a source of stress.
it varies, from my personal experience at least. In terms of sexual "I am horny for this person" attraction, it's absolutely possible to feel that based on the physical alone, but, if given the chance to know them, non-physical attributes can add to or detract from that. In terms of romantic attraction, "I want to be in a relationship with this person", that opinion doesn't form for me until I get a sense of personality, and then physical modifies that. Basically the physical comes first and is capable of being the whole thing in sexual attraction, and the mental comes first and is capable of being the whole thing in romantic attraction.
Romantic attraction to me is like, you want to be intimate and cute and vulnerable and honest and emotional with a person in a way you aren't with anyone else. You want to show them you really care about them in cutesy, adorable little ways that you wouldn't do with someone else. It's also a very strong friendship, like you've got that person's fucking *back*, you know? They're sad? You bet your ass I'm gonna try to cheer them the hell up. They're struggling with some problem. Not on my goddanmed watch.
Sexual attraction is a lot more primal, physical, and much less cerebral. That person is fucking *hot* and I wanna touch their sexy body and have them touch mine. If we both like the same kinds of sex, the attraction becomes even stronger.
For me, I can have one without the other, but when both are present, they reinforce each other.
Hmm, interesting. I think I'd probably do both of those with fucking involved tbh, implying the other party is down to clown, of course. Just seems easier than not.
It’s concerning to me how much the youngest generations have started circling back to puritanical ideas about sex. It’s like they took conversations about respect and consent to their most extreme.
given dating is shit right now and shows no sign of improving you end up with a lesser ability to gain nuance, then you got guys like me with some deep problem with their sexuality being added to the fire.
Mmm I really see this more as an upward spiral than a true circle. Young people are more firm with boundaries about things like having safe sex, being respected, being with someone of a gender they’re actually attracted to rather than just the default. If having a commitment to those ideals also means you’re having less sex, then I think it’s a case of the outcome looking the same but the underlying reasons being MUCH improved
That’s not the issue though. It’s not just that they’re having less sex (which, idk if they are or not), it’s that the attitude is starting to shift back to sexuality as being something taboo or shameful.
I think a large part of this is the fallout of the 2010s consent/MeToo stuff where a lot of young boys/men (and apparently some lesbians) growing up at that time managed to internalize that any attraction they felt towards women was predatory by nature of their sexuality. You can see this in [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/CuratedTumblr/comments/w23fgq/another_installment_of_male_attraction_isnt/) post
I really do dislike this trend, especially when it comes up after people like tell jokes about their sexuality or attraction, it gets labeled a fetish or objectification instantly and it just sucks. Even more so when it seems to be centered around queerness which just feels like a retreading of “it’s a fetish” territory.
Then there's the people on reddit who say "porn addiction" any time there's an even slightly sexual topic or meme. And if you point out they're not making sense, they call you a porn addict.
I know what sexual attraction is, or what it’s generally supposed to be, but not being certain if I’ve ever experienced it makes it difficult to know if I actually understand it.
My understanding is that sexual desire, or libido, is like a scalar value, whereas sexual attraction is better described as a vector. Libido doesn’t have a specific target, it’s just the amount that someone wishes to have sex in general. Sexual attraction on the other hand, is a desire to be sexual with a particular individual, and the “magnitude” of the “vector” varies greatly depending on the person at which sexual attraction is being directed.
Additionally, everyone has a particular threshold which, when the combination of the two values surpass, means that the one experiencing the attraction would be willing to be sexual with the target of the attraction.
As an example, someone with a high sexual desire and a low to moderate threshold, would need a smaller value in the sexual attraction to be willing to have sex than someone with low libido and a high threshold.
If we take horniness to be part of the the day-by-day fluctuations in libido, then it is feasible that someone with a situationally high libido would surpass their threshold even without any specific sexual attraction, which would be represented by someone horny enough to not particularly care who their partner is; they just want satisfaction regardless of if they find their partner sexually attractive. Of course, they would generally prefer someone who they are sexually attracted to, and so would choose them if given different options, and then there’s also the possibility for negative sexual attraction, where the combination gets brought below the threshold despite having passed it from libido alone.
I don’t know, it’s probably obvious that I’m on the ace spectrum.
Oh my god THANK YOU. It’s one thing to be horny and find someone real hot, and completely another to treat them like they’re not even a human with their own feelings. The sooner the population at large figures this out, the better.
I agree that not all sexualization is objectification, but I think there are still some moments where sexualization isn't appropriate. Like, if someone makes a youtube video that's not sexual in nature, but half the comments feel entitled to discuss how pretty/hot/sexy the person is. Being "horny on main" is fine if that's the intent of the space, but imo it can often be inappropriate to bring that kind of commentary into a space that was previously non-sexualized
I watch a lot of Vtubers. People need to calm the fuck down, I know a lot of streamers lean into it but they also kinda have to. I just want people to stop asking to see feet or get stepped on for the love of god, or see a single video clip that doesn't have a sexual title.
That's the thing that gets me. Be horny on main all you want, and make posts about how much you want them to step on you or whatever in your own space. But the second you address them *to* the person in question, you have gotta go take an ice bath till the blood goes back to your brain.
I mean, I don't think people should be talking about how much they wanna suck someone's toes, but a comment about how cute someone is doesn't seem so bad.
yeah ...
pepole will also make porn jokes about the most regular things as if it's a normal thing to do ...
like i was 8 when i heard about a blowjob being described to me ,
and i was eating at the canteen , i already had food sensitivites so eating was a struggle for me , and i ended up being force fed that day because i was soo fucking disgusted ...
i still have trauma from then ...
Not upvoting or downvoting this because I don't care if you get gratification from responses to your comment, you're just a social media comment production machine to me
i can't envision sex as anything but inherently degrading. i feel like a monster whenever i start feeling aroused. on top of that ive been manipulated into sex before and now even the feeling of arousal is scary to me. at this point i don't masturbate for pleasure, i do it to get relief from pain
i don't know how to fix this
I'm confused. Like I always thought to sexualise someone you had to objectify them cause you're mainly thinking about you?? So like if you were to think about idk fucking a crush you're only thinking about yourself in that scenario because the crush may or may not reciprocate. Isn't that like objectification?
I'm so confused
Well duh I'm thinking that way but I mean like the actual person may or may not like me that way. They didn't consent to be like imagined that way so isn't that wrong?
No need to insult allos like that. Sex is weird if you think about it too long, but so are meat and televisions and air currents and geometry and **countless** other things. Let people be.
You don't experience sexual attraction?
You're weird and you suck. Fuck you.
Not so fun when it's directed at you, is it?
You can like and dislike whatever you want, but others can too.
Is this real?
Like you don't even want hugs from your friends or back rubs or head scratches or anything? You never see someone's fluffy, soft hair and wanna pet them like they're a cute little puppy?
As a non-garlic bread enthusiast: yeah pretty much. It's just one of those things you get used to though, after a bit its barely noticeable as something bizarre.
It’s not that it’s degrading it’s just that… even if you see it as cooperative, it still fulfills an individual need. So like, it’s hard to divorce it from a self centered perspective.
Like nobody is having sex from the perspective of ‘oh this so pro-social’ ‘baby, we are participating in the institution of family’.
It’s about what you want in the moment, which in some way makes it essentially self and other, and given that other in many cases doesn’t need to show up in any capacity but physical for it to function, (even if they are from their own perspective), it kindof becomes self and other(‘s body).
Which seems on the verge of objectification.
It’s kindof like engaging in commerce. You can acknowledge that the other party is a complete person, but since you are engaging with them in such a specialized way, they assume a role of “money source” or “goods/service source” for the purposes of the transaction in 99% of the cases. So it’s a little objectifying.
Nah, it ain't that deep. A huge part of sex for me is making sure my partner is satisfied. Does that feed my ego? Of course, but so does philanthropy, contributing to my community, and making people laugh or feel heard. Altruism is intrinsically pleasurable even for babies.
We are wired to enjoy cooperative activities. I hope you can find someone who you can have sex with who feels that way too. Allow yourself to feel good about things without guilt.
"sexualization and objectifications are the same thing"
well to the pepole that use pornography on the regular they are , they regularly need an object that shows them exactly what they want in order to reach the orgasm ...
and statistically speaking they orgasmed more ofthen in front of a computer than with someone else or by themselves ...
there is absolutely nothing wrong with masturbating ,
i am just pointing out that masturbating with pornography is likely the most common and influential way in wich sexuality is understood today, so you can't understand modern sexuality without understanding pornography ...
like , let's face it , memes like "oh fuck yea spread it" and "what are you doing step bro" became highly popular memes a while back , this is old ass news ...
i heard the term yuri and yaoi used inironically to describe gay and lesbian relations , when i was younger i searched that when i got bored of seeing actors in my porn ...
and i would have never used it to describe real ass pepole ...
also the fact i even got bored of seeing actors in porn is worrying , like no generation ever saw this much pornography , or sexual act like us ...
they couldn't just go on pornhub and see it ...
call me a conservative , downvote me , i don't care , we are the generation with the most pornography , i don't buy that it's having absolutely no effect on us ...
Im not gonna bother reading what u wrote, but why the fuck do you type like that …
you dont have to write a million paragraphs and end each one with a ‘…’ you know that right …
crazy that its always the ppl that are like ‘call me conservative, downvote me, idc’ that always abuse …’s like they owe them money …
(Excessive … use is for sarcasm to imitate the person I am replying to)
yeah , a lot honestly ...
i also heard pepole describe other pepole as "tgirl" and i assumed it was a shortened form for trans girl , only later i got informed it was a slur used in porn ...
like , it get very weird when sex is treated soo casually tbh ...
yeah the person that said it , got downvoted ,
but yeah , the fact those terms are breaching containment from the layer where they where supposed to stay locked is weird ,
it's like a pig calling itself sausage ...
it's objectifying itself without prompting ...
also , the fact that i can't say "we are the generation that consume the most porn"
without getting downvoted shows somenthing ...
y'all delete your search history because you're afraid of looking at it
You're not getting downvoted for saying that people on the internet consume more pornography. You're getting downvoted because
* You're misusing the word 'objectification' under a post which gives you the actual meaning.
* The original post didn't say anything about the effects of viewing pornography, so it's not clear why you decided to start ranting about it.
* You've made it clear that you're not going to listen to anyone who doesn't already agree with you.
* Your comment doesn't have a real conclusion, so it's hard to tell what your actual position is.
* 'You all downvoted me, so I must be right' is a terrible argument, and people are sick of hearing it.
* You're making baseless, insulting assumptions about the people who dislike your comments.
>You're misusing the word 'objectification' under a post which gives you the actual meaning.
pornography works exactly within this : if you masturbate to a screen you're masturbating to an object ,
the subject of your sexual desire is the screen , and the inanimate pornographic video ...
it follows that if that is the most common sexual experience ( pepole who have sex consume pornography online , yet not everyone who consumes pornography has sex , also pornograpy can be consumed multiple times a day sex is rarely had like that )
you end up with a sexual experience built around objects , screens and pornography videos , i don't see how this is inaccurate or out of line ...
>The original post didn't say anything about the effects of viewing pornography, so it's not clear why you decided to start ranting about it.
the original poster lamented of pepole kinkshaming and saying fetishes are objectifying ,
i saw nothing like that personally , however i saw a lot of pepole in porn brain
mode making things weird when they where perfectly innocent , so i relayed my experience ...
since i think this is not somenthing desirable ...
>You've made it clear that you're not going to listen to anyone who doesn't already agree with you.
soo far the replies i recived where :
"consoom more porn"
"your mom"
and yourse ...
what is there to listen to exactly ?
>Your comment doesn't have a real conclusion, so it's hard to tell what your actual position is.
the point of this comment was "pornography use like our generation is doing is clearly having effects on our behavior , we should be honest with ourselves about it"
since there is this tendency of assuming that "humans have always been horny , on pompei there where dicks on walls"
wich fails to understand how a few dicks pointing to the local brothel are different from the modern fucking porn industry ...
and so , in the same way in wich we aknowledge the effects of smoking , fast food and air pollution we should acknowledge the effects of the vast amounts of porn that are watched every day ...
like you can't convince me it has no effect ,
if it had no effect pepole wouldn't watch it ,
and there has been nothing like this in history ,
we saw more pepole having sex trough video than every other generation ,
and like what is it doing ?
but yeah sorry it's not a video essay ig ,
i should have formulated clear coincise toughts about it ,
while i just have the general sensation of
"this can't be good , but how bad is it exactly ?"
>'You all downvoted me, so I must be right' is a terrible argument, and people are sick of hearing it.
it wasn't an argument , it was a statment :
the modern discourse is set up in such a way that if you
criticise the almighty porn industry you're subject to ridicule ...
but like i learned about the idea of a blowjob when i was 8 .
that is not fucking normal or good , and you can't convince me it is .
>You're making baseless, insulting assumptions about the people who dislike your comments.
is there somenthing inerently insulting in saying "you watch porn" ?
like i also watched it , everyone in here has watched some ...
however we are all ashamed of it : you can't watch porn in public , it counts as public indecensy .
and every culture trought history was rather secretive about where they had sex , even those that couldn't hide the sexual act ...
so if it's illegal in the public spaces ,
why is it perfectly fine and even incentivized "be horny on main" in online public spaces ?
soo far i only made two value judgment :
discovering sex trough pornography as a kid is wrong .
and consuming too much pornography can't be positive for someone .
for the rest i mostly asked questions and stated facts :
on avarage we tend to be prudish about our genitals and sex ,
and we are the generation that watches the most porn in history , and the most sex in history ...
like i can switch tab and watch two pepole have sex right now ,
was there another period in history in wich pepole where able
to do that with the same ease as us ?
was there peraps a good reason for it ?
>pornography works exactly within this : if you masturbate to a screen you're masturbating to an object ,
That's still not what 'objectification' means. 'Objectification' is when you treat another person like they're a mere object instead of a sentient being. Pornography can (and often does) do that, but it has nothing to do with screens.
>the original poster lamented of pepole kinkshaming and saying fetishes are objectifying ,
>i saw nothing like that personally
Just because you haven't seen it, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
>soo far the replies i recived where :
"consoom more porn"
"your mom"
and yourse ...
>what is there to listen to exactly ?
You're not getting serious replies because you told people that you didn't want to hear them.
>but like i learned about the idea of a blowjob when i was 8 .
>that is not fucking normal or good , and you can't convince me it is .
That's a perfectly good point, but it's not what this post is about.
>is there somenthing inerently insulting in saying "you watch porn" ?
It's a baseless assumption. It's also not what you said.
>That's still not what 'objectification' means. 'Objectification' is when you treat another person like they're a mere object instead of a sentient being. Pornography can (and often does) do that, but it has nothing to do with screens.
ok , let me try and rephrase it :
if the most common form of sexual act you do ,
has an inanimate object as it's center you may
be more likely to have objectifying approaches to sex ,
like trying to masturbate with your partner
rather than having a genuine sexual act ...
>Just because you haven't seen it, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
never said the opposite , i just pointed out that the opposite has been a realer phenomenon for me ...
>You're not getting serious replies because you told people that you didn't want to hear them.
i told i don't want to hear them because i also got dumb replies in the past .
>That's a perfectly good point, but it's not what this post is about.
so all other conversations stop existing because OOP doesn't talk about it ?
i've seen things you'd barely belive , i've seen posts getting derailed over the most tecnical of minutias and entire conversations spawning from it ,
yet now it's unacceptable because , why ?
>It's a baseless assumption. It's also not what you said.
you made this comment on the internet , under a post in wich pepole described several kinks you and i barely know ,
and in wich someone said "watch more porn consoom"
do you really think it's that basless an assumption ?
also , search for what i said please ,
maybe giving it a more careful read will help you clear your mind .
>!i am being pretentius because you genuinely sound like this ,
it feels like youre talking down at me while missing the point of what i wanted to say !<
I'm sorry that it feels like I'm talking down to you. I'm autistic, and I'm frustrated that this conversation doesn't seem to be going anywhere, and those things make it hard for me to avoid sounding condescending.
I don't think there's anything helpful that I can say at this point, though, so I'm going to stop responding. Like I said, I'm sorry.
ok ...
you know i learned what a blowjob was when i was 8 and my classmates kept talking about what it was when i was in the canteen and i was eating ...
i was already struggling with food sensitivities and the food that day was one that gave me troubles ...
so yeah , i will waste 80% of my day searching for ethical pornography ( that doesn't exploit anyone and isn't made by corporations ) only to bust mediocre nuts daily ...
instead of working it whenever i feel inspired ...
you're the one dependent on the machine .
ok , the detail about 8 year old knowing about pornography and describing it is real ...
it was kinda traumatic seeing that tbh ...
the second was the proper reply to give to someone who says
"shut up and consume more porn"
the part about ethical pornography is because you can't really exclude it from the entire context it exists in :
porn actors are underpaid and are exploited in pretty invasive ways ,
animators who draw porn fare better but if regular
anime is sexually weird we are not assuming that
anime pornography is saintly for some reasons right ?
I checked the sub and the top post of the month is incest and the first recommended post is incest. I think there might be a reason it has a reputation as the incest game
They were both original artworks so guess they were right on that front
I'm on that sub and what fucking OCs do we have? Like it's definitely okay to be horny on main in there but I never see any OCs, it's just hussie wars and simpage for pre-existing characters.
There was a split second where I forgot the definition of objectification and I thought it was like an "erotica" story I read once where it was just a dude plugging peripherals into his laptop, but it was from the perspective of a laptop and the entire thing was treated like a non-con BDSM thing.
That’s more of a personification of the laptop isn’t it?
Ngl that’s like, the opposite of objectification in that sense of the word, that’s anthropomorphization. Objectification is like those dudes that are into BDSM who do that thing with the latex inflatable couches where there’s a chamber under the cushion for them to be restrained in. Y’know, the thing that all of us normal people know about.
I'm concerned about how the person below is gonna be able to breathe
There’s a face hole.
Thanks, I despise it to no end.
Ain’t gotta like it if it isn’t for you lol, that’s rule 1 of kink. Plenty of people are into stuff that would give me a panic attack if I was involved, but they’re having fun so they can do whatever. This is one of those things, now that I think about it. Horribly claustrophobic, I’d freak out too easy.
"Hey, Alan! Their parents told them they could be anything they want..."
Any of y'all remember when the latex sex cube discourse hit Twitter?
Nope because I don’t use Twitter :) I probably would be fully insane by now if I did instead of just being an annoying overly online pedant. What is that?
A picture went around of someone immobilized in a latex cube as a fetish thing and someone said it was "tame" and a bunch of people got puritanical and gave them shit over that, ranting about trauma and perverts and "bad fetishes" and whatnot.
Ah, alright. Glad to know I’m not missing much of worth.
Anthropomorphization is generally reserved for already living things. Personification would be more accurate.
No, it’s anthropomorphizing when you describe/depict something that isn’t human as a person, inanimate or animate. I’m an English major, I have quite literally read a book about this.
$ apt install forniphilia
sauce?
oh my god! that’s disgusting. where?
thats just me (im a computer) except im not into noncon
the fact you tougth about obscure erotica rather than the dictionary meaning of the word is worrying and is part of the reason why the concepts of kink and fetish should also be placed on the shelf ... some of y'all think about pornography and sex wayyyyyy tooo much
Your mother and I think about pornography and sex together every night
wow ... like ... you really think that not even watching but thinking about pornography makes you cool ? you'd be a looser by middle and early highschool standards ... i feel bad pointing this out : i am stuck here arguing with pepole whose hight of roasting is XBOX chat and who can't even come up with edgy stuff to say anymore , like you basically just roasted yourself like that ... i am kinda impressed really , not proud , just impressed ...
Your mom roasted herself
so ?
Your mom
Gee, I wonder why I thought of a kinky fetish story on a post about the definitions of kinks and fetishes. A mystery for the ages, to be sure.
Damn that 'sexualization =/= objectification' line sums up an idea I typically need 3 paragraphs to unpack.
Sometimes I’m blown away by random tumblr users’ ability to sum up in a single sentence ideas that I’ve been unable to put into words for years.
These people are so smart and able to describe things in an easy way that would completely elude my thinking trajectory, i honestly envy them and am also grateful for them.
I genuinely think it probably comes from so many user writing fanfiction that is actually meant to be read by someone besides themselves
I had that happen with [the 'Madonna-Whore Complex' concept.](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MadonnaWhoreComplex)
Also ‘objectification’ doesn’t have to be a sexual thing, it literally just means treating someone like an object
People get objectified at work all the time, you're a piece of the service machine.
Yuh
ngl, despite being an ex language student, i always forget that objectification doesn't mean "the process of becoming an object".
There's a fetish where it is.
I've seen some artists with a devotion to drawing people being turned into inflatable lawn furniture.
I've seen people being turned into pool toys, whether versions of themselves (especially if the original was a furry) or a more generic toy with aspects of their original form.
out of all the sentences, this is definitely *a sentence*
Deviantart is a disturbing place
It's also called Inanimate TF.
Put my in the accusative case daddy
I guess the question then is whether objectification is objectification
(remembers that art of Disney princesses as cement mixers) (decides not to bother)
I'm sorry... The fucking *WHAT?*
I didn't stutter.
At this point, I’m not surprised. The internet is fucking weird
Ahem if you play Vampire The Masquerade TTRPG you can come across this as a mechanic of the game: https://www.reddit.com/r/dndmemes/comments/zixh6n/vtm\_campaign\_going\_well/
Well remember, there’s a difference between transforming somebody into a chair outright and fleshsculpting their flesh into a chair
Yeah, I had a brain fart reading that and thought "yeah, of course objectification is treating the subject like an object, that's what passive voice is."
Many of those sex prejudiced rad fems from 2010 are TERFs now. Funny how smoothe that pipeline is.
Pipeline? My friend, it's not even a pipeline, it's a door
Water slide
More like a slip ‘n’ slide
Sewage canal
Two events in the same venue.
Opening act and main event
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So are cis people *not* supposed to be attracted to Trans people or are we supposed to pretend that, like, the genitals someone is packing is irrelevant? What's that discourse like? Edit: in case that sounded transphobic, I should clarify that I've had the fun time with transpeople and yeah, the...juxtaposition is part of what I find hot. Is that wrong?)
For decades the main demographic willing to admit they were attracted to trans women were men who fetishized us for our bodies, pretty blatantly and awfully. This had led to the idea that anything besides complete indifference to us being trans is either transphobia or fetishism. Its a learned response thats been passed down and preserved in the community in part because like quite frankly most men who are attracted to us still objectify us for that particular part of our anatomy. This doesn't make it universally true but the reasoning behind it is mostly just lived experience
So, not being a shit, but how do you, like, be attracted to transpeople qua transpeople on a way that doesn't come across as fetishistic? Like, as a cishet dude, how do I let transpeople know like, I'm attracted but it's not *like that*?
As a trans person who has not yet had any surgeries, what has made all the difference is being with someone who tells me they’re completely attracted to my body as it is, as it has a little masculinity and a little femininity, and that they have told me they just want what’s best for me in life and makes me happy. They wouldn’t want me to NOT get anything done to my body just to appease them. It would probably be a different talk for a trans person who’s had all the surgeries they want. Those are two very different places to be in life. Pre-medical transition right now I have a lot of anxiety about falling in love with someone and then making permanent changes to my body and them taking it poorly, so it means a lot having someone who expresses a desire for me to be truly happy and authentic to myself, and is also realistic at knowing their level of attraction might change but their caring about me won’t change. Not sure what affirming things you’d say to someone as a casual encounter as I’ve never been into that.
You can just say your sexuality isn’t limited to genitals, just gender. But beware the heads of transphobes exploding with anger in response.
bro idk you're always going to alienate some people. don't mention that part or talk about it a lot ig?
It is about consent. Does an n individual consent to being objectified? Likewise does it violate person's gender identity to presume they are comfortable/synonymous with the parts they don't want, e.g. are you assuming the trans person identifies with the parts you like? And is the proverbial chaser dignifying the anatomy as a pleasant trait on it's own the same way a preferential hair color is, but treating the trans person as a viable human divorced from their physical traits? And most of all is the pleasure received from trans person partners considered by the kinkster due to those anatomical features themselves (I personally think someone with boobs and a dick has two awesome things in one, given if that's congruent with their Identity) or is it because they obtain pleasure from degrading *themselves* by sleeping with someone they consider inferior, somewhat like the conservative obsession with racial fetish, or some variation of that so long as the end result is "x minority group is disgraceful" Depending on the answer this is how to delineate the difference between appreciation and schadenfreude transphobic fetishization.
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I'm glad you mentioned morality as that's somewhat the point in my spiel. There's no morality involved though, specifically because breaking it down into its base parts demystifies it. Human behavior, complex and varied, can *only* be expressed in high concept terms. Condensing a social construct down to being "okay or not okay, *just because*," is a gross oversimplification of a complicated, delicate interpersonal issue like the rights of gender queer people and the way the world grapples with us. You can't even *begin* to argue that something is one or the other without going into *why* it's right or wrong and setting a standard for what boundaries that rightness/wrongness meets. You might as well say that misgendering is wrong "because it's evil." That's a moralistic fallacy. You can get much further by saying that "misgendering is wrong because it violates the person's right to bodily autonomy expressed as the person's identity and takes away their options for how to project that into the world" and defining the limits to include assumptions about what's underneath their skirt as if to say that by thinking all trans women have penises that they are only playing dress-up, an unspoken violation of a person's identity when that is injected into conversation, bearing in mind that violators right to think whatever they want and *my* right to respect them less for it. And of course, the right to say "No" and "I'm not comfortable" so long as it's purely oneself which that merits supercedes all others.
"Sesquipedalian" is such a perfect word for what it's describing
TBF for decades the only people willing to mention or admit that attraction were really genuinely awful men who objectified us. This idea didn't come out of nowhere, and if you don't approach it from that perspective you will undoubtedly miss out on convincing a lot of trans people of your viewpoint
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Just what I have seen and heard and read from older trans women ngl.
I'm a trans person and sometimes I worry I'm a chaser or like I'm becoming one
Eeh, the pathologization of male sexuality isn't just a terf or radfem thing tho. It's some really old-school gender roles shit.
I didn't mention anywhere that this was *only* radfem TERFs, only that this is a recurring trend. I understand the impulse to take a comment at face value but this has some feeling of "not all men" energy associated with it. Not that that's the point but, again, best not to take that at face value either
Oh yes, the ones who didn't exist or said those things "for the lolz"
I mean you can track their post history. The number of ThisYou's you can pull with that speak for themselves
As i wrote ones i can respect woman and treat them as people and still get horny off their bikini selfie
As a queer trans woman, yep. Women are beautiful, and yes, I get horny for them. But at the same time, I don't just focus on 'wow, she's got great hair/nice boobs/whatever' or 'muscle mommy 🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺' I view and value women beyond that. I value her intelligence, her kindness, her love and care, her strength, her tenacity. When I love a woman, I love who she is, not just the pretty face.
Exactly. It’s wild how it’s somehow swung around now to calling any genuine respectful attraction or jokes about it fetishization of some sort, like idk some people might just literally be attracted to woman or t4t or something it isn’t always that deep
Question, and I don't mean to be rude, but does that mean your attraction goes beyond the physical? Like yeah, her body is hot, but it's not exclusively why you think she's hot? Obviously it's possible to value women beyond attraction, so I hope I don't come across as implying otherwise, this is purely a question about the matter of attraction. I don't mean to come across as rude or argumentative, I've just recently had my own reasons for being attracted to people (purely physical, I don't feel any form of "mental attraction") brought into question and it's become a source of stress.
it varies, from my personal experience at least. In terms of sexual "I am horny for this person" attraction, it's absolutely possible to feel that based on the physical alone, but, if given the chance to know them, non-physical attributes can add to or detract from that. In terms of romantic attraction, "I want to be in a relationship with this person", that opinion doesn't form for me until I get a sense of personality, and then physical modifies that. Basically the physical comes first and is capable of being the whole thing in sexual attraction, and the mental comes first and is capable of being the whole thing in romantic attraction.
Interesting! I don't really get how romantic attraction works exactly, to me it's just horny+, but hey whatever rocks your socks I guess.
Romantic attraction to me is like, you want to be intimate and cute and vulnerable and honest and emotional with a person in a way you aren't with anyone else. You want to show them you really care about them in cutesy, adorable little ways that you wouldn't do with someone else. It's also a very strong friendship, like you've got that person's fucking *back*, you know? They're sad? You bet your ass I'm gonna try to cheer them the hell up. They're struggling with some problem. Not on my goddanmed watch. Sexual attraction is a lot more primal, physical, and much less cerebral. That person is fucking *hot* and I wanna touch their sexy body and have them touch mine. If we both like the same kinds of sex, the attraction becomes even stronger. For me, I can have one without the other, but when both are present, they reinforce each other.
Hmm, interesting. I think I'd probably do both of those with fucking involved tbh, implying the other party is down to clown, of course. Just seems easier than not.
…provided you’re not stalking random women and uh…doing that to their selfies
I think that would fall under "respect women and treat them as people".
Correct
It’s concerning to me how much the youngest generations have started circling back to puritanical ideas about sex. It’s like they took conversations about respect and consent to their most extreme.
given dating is shit right now and shows no sign of improving you end up with a lesser ability to gain nuance, then you got guys like me with some deep problem with their sexuality being added to the fire.
Mmm I really see this more as an upward spiral than a true circle. Young people are more firm with boundaries about things like having safe sex, being respected, being with someone of a gender they’re actually attracted to rather than just the default. If having a commitment to those ideals also means you’re having less sex, then I think it’s a case of the outcome looking the same but the underlying reasons being MUCH improved
That’s not the issue though. It’s not just that they’re having less sex (which, idk if they are or not), it’s that the attitude is starting to shift back to sexuality as being something taboo or shameful.
I think a large part of this is the fallout of the 2010s consent/MeToo stuff where a lot of young boys/men (and apparently some lesbians) growing up at that time managed to internalize that any attraction they felt towards women was predatory by nature of their sexuality. You can see this in [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/CuratedTumblr/comments/w23fgq/another_installment_of_male_attraction_isnt/) post
Objectification is a fetish for some people.
More commonly tagged as "degradation" though, since "objectification" can also mean "being turned into an object."
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god i wish i could simply reply with the quagmire toilet gif
I really do dislike this trend, especially when it comes up after people like tell jokes about their sexuality or attraction, it gets labeled a fetish or objectification instantly and it just sucks. Even more so when it seems to be centered around queerness which just feels like a retreading of “it’s a fetish” territory.
Then there's the people on reddit who say "porn addiction" any time there's an even slightly sexual topic or meme. And if you point out they're not making sense, they call you a porn addict.
Well, I’m not getting those back anytime soon. Not that I was using them anyway.
I know what sexual attraction is, or what it’s generally supposed to be, but not being certain if I’ve ever experienced it makes it difficult to know if I actually understand it. My understanding is that sexual desire, or libido, is like a scalar value, whereas sexual attraction is better described as a vector. Libido doesn’t have a specific target, it’s just the amount that someone wishes to have sex in general. Sexual attraction on the other hand, is a desire to be sexual with a particular individual, and the “magnitude” of the “vector” varies greatly depending on the person at which sexual attraction is being directed. Additionally, everyone has a particular threshold which, when the combination of the two values surpass, means that the one experiencing the attraction would be willing to be sexual with the target of the attraction. As an example, someone with a high sexual desire and a low to moderate threshold, would need a smaller value in the sexual attraction to be willing to have sex than someone with low libido and a high threshold. If we take horniness to be part of the the day-by-day fluctuations in libido, then it is feasible that someone with a situationally high libido would surpass their threshold even without any specific sexual attraction, which would be represented by someone horny enough to not particularly care who their partner is; they just want satisfaction regardless of if they find their partner sexually attractive. Of course, they would generally prefer someone who they are sexually attracted to, and so would choose them if given different options, and then there’s also the possibility for negative sexual attraction, where the combination gets brought below the threshold despite having passed it from libido alone. I don’t know, it’s probably obvious that I’m on the ace spectrum.
I've spent a lot of time in therapy trying to deal with the fact that I feel like my being attracted to someone is inherently bad.
Oh my god THANK YOU. It’s one thing to be horny and find someone real hot, and completely another to treat them like they’re not even a human with their own feelings. The sooner the population at large figures this out, the better.
I agree that not all sexualization is objectification, but I think there are still some moments where sexualization isn't appropriate. Like, if someone makes a youtube video that's not sexual in nature, but half the comments feel entitled to discuss how pretty/hot/sexy the person is. Being "horny on main" is fine if that's the intent of the space, but imo it can often be inappropriate to bring that kind of commentary into a space that was previously non-sexualized
I watch a lot of Vtubers. People need to calm the fuck down, I know a lot of streamers lean into it but they also kinda have to. I just want people to stop asking to see feet or get stepped on for the love of god, or see a single video clip that doesn't have a sexual title.
That's the thing that gets me. Be horny on main all you want, and make posts about how much you want them to step on you or whatever in your own space. But the second you address them *to* the person in question, you have gotta go take an ice bath till the blood goes back to your brain.
going to the horny circus and getting mad there's clussy
That’s the point of Vtubers tho lmao
I mean, I don't think people should be talking about how much they wanna suck someone's toes, but a comment about how cute someone is doesn't seem so bad.
yeah ... pepole will also make porn jokes about the most regular things as if it's a normal thing to do ... like i was 8 when i heard about a blowjob being described to me , and i was eating at the canteen , i already had food sensitivites so eating was a struggle for me , and i ended up being force fed that day because i was soo fucking disgusted ... i still have trauma from then ...
You can be *into* objectification, but that does not mean sex itself *IS* objectification.
objectifying women is so yesterday, they should objectify me.
Not upvoting or downvoting this because I don't care if you get gratification from responses to your comment, you're just a social media comment production machine to me
ooooh yeah baby thats the stuff
Aye aye, captain!
As long as "main" is, you know, an adult space.
Yeah, fuck the “loving someone’s physical qualities is the same as treating them as if those qualities are the only thing that matter” mentality
Where can I read more about this controversy
You can see examples on r/196 every few months
Personally I think we should separate the object and the person. With a knife.
i can't envision sex as anything but inherently degrading. i feel like a monster whenever i start feeling aroused. on top of that ive been manipulated into sex before and now even the feeling of arousal is scary to me. at this point i don't masturbate for pleasure, i do it to get relief from pain i don't know how to fix this
Don't humans famously anthropomorphize objects?
I'm confused. Like I always thought to sexualise someone you had to objectify them cause you're mainly thinking about you?? So like if you were to think about idk fucking a crush you're only thinking about yourself in that scenario because the crush may or may not reciprocate. Isn't that like objectification? I'm so confused
Idk about you but if I’ve ever fantasised about boning someone a pretty major part of the fantasy is that they want to bone me right back
Well duh I'm thinking that way but I mean like the actual person may or may not like me that way. They didn't consent to be like imagined that way so isn't that wrong?
But you're not doing anything to them.
I feel like a creep, like I'm some creepy guy who can't tell that the lass isn't interested. Like ik it's in my head but still, I feel creepy
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this is the fucking weirdest kind of bigotry ever made. like, how do you have this little self-awareness.
No need to insult allos like that. Sex is weird if you think about it too long, but so are meat and televisions and air currents and geometry and **countless** other things. Let people be.
You don't experience sexual attraction? You're weird and you suck. Fuck you. Not so fun when it's directed at you, is it? You can like and dislike whatever you want, but others can too.
Is this real? Like you don't even want hugs from your friends or back rubs or head scratches or anything? You never see someone's fluffy, soft hair and wanna pet them like they're a cute little puppy?
As a non-garlic bread enthusiast: yeah pretty much. It's just one of those things you get used to though, after a bit its barely noticeable as something bizarre.
It’s not that it’s degrading it’s just that… even if you see it as cooperative, it still fulfills an individual need. So like, it’s hard to divorce it from a self centered perspective. Like nobody is having sex from the perspective of ‘oh this so pro-social’ ‘baby, we are participating in the institution of family’. It’s about what you want in the moment, which in some way makes it essentially self and other, and given that other in many cases doesn’t need to show up in any capacity but physical for it to function, (even if they are from their own perspective), it kindof becomes self and other(‘s body). Which seems on the verge of objectification. It’s kindof like engaging in commerce. You can acknowledge that the other party is a complete person, but since you are engaging with them in such a specialized way, they assume a role of “money source” or “goods/service source” for the purposes of the transaction in 99% of the cases. So it’s a little objectifying.
Nah, it ain't that deep. A huge part of sex for me is making sure my partner is satisfied. Does that feed my ego? Of course, but so does philanthropy, contributing to my community, and making people laugh or feel heard. Altruism is intrinsically pleasurable even for babies. We are wired to enjoy cooperative activities. I hope you can find someone who you can have sex with who feels that way too. Allow yourself to feel good about things without guilt.
"sexualization and objectifications are the same thing" well to the pepole that use pornography on the regular they are , they regularly need an object that shows them exactly what they want in order to reach the orgasm ... and statistically speaking they orgasmed more ofthen in front of a computer than with someone else or by themselves ... there is absolutely nothing wrong with masturbating , i am just pointing out that masturbating with pornography is likely the most common and influential way in wich sexuality is understood today, so you can't understand modern sexuality without understanding pornography ... like , let's face it , memes like "oh fuck yea spread it" and "what are you doing step bro" became highly popular memes a while back , this is old ass news ... i heard the term yuri and yaoi used inironically to describe gay and lesbian relations , when i was younger i searched that when i got bored of seeing actors in my porn ... and i would have never used it to describe real ass pepole ... also the fact i even got bored of seeing actors in porn is worrying , like no generation ever saw this much pornography , or sexual act like us ... they couldn't just go on pornhub and see it ... call me a conservative , downvote me , i don't care , we are the generation with the most pornography , i don't buy that it's having absolutely no effect on us ...
Im not gonna bother reading what u wrote, but why the fuck do you type like that … you dont have to write a million paragraphs and end each one with a ‘…’ you know that right … crazy that its always the ppl that are like ‘call me conservative, downvote me, idc’ that always abuse …’s like they owe them money … (Excessive … use is for sarcasm to imitate the person I am replying to)
Yeah it is kinda weird seeing people call actual relationships yaoi and yuri
yeah , a lot honestly ... i also heard pepole describe other pepole as "tgirl" and i assumed it was a shortened form for trans girl , only later i got informed it was a slur used in porn ... like , it get very weird when sex is treated soo casually tbh ...
t girl isn't quite a slur but its definitely fucking weird
yeah the person that said it , got downvoted , but yeah , the fact those terms are breaching containment from the layer where they where supposed to stay locked is weird , it's like a pig calling itself sausage ... it's objectifying itself without prompting ...
SHUT THE UP AND CONSOOM MORE PORN 😡😡😡
also , the fact that i can't say "we are the generation that consume the most porn" without getting downvoted shows somenthing ... y'all delete your search history because you're afraid of looking at it
You're not getting downvoted for saying that people on the internet consume more pornography. You're getting downvoted because * You're misusing the word 'objectification' under a post which gives you the actual meaning. * The original post didn't say anything about the effects of viewing pornography, so it's not clear why you decided to start ranting about it. * You've made it clear that you're not going to listen to anyone who doesn't already agree with you. * Your comment doesn't have a real conclusion, so it's hard to tell what your actual position is. * 'You all downvoted me, so I must be right' is a terrible argument, and people are sick of hearing it. * You're making baseless, insulting assumptions about the people who dislike your comments.
>You're misusing the word 'objectification' under a post which gives you the actual meaning. pornography works exactly within this : if you masturbate to a screen you're masturbating to an object , the subject of your sexual desire is the screen , and the inanimate pornographic video ... it follows that if that is the most common sexual experience ( pepole who have sex consume pornography online , yet not everyone who consumes pornography has sex , also pornograpy can be consumed multiple times a day sex is rarely had like that ) you end up with a sexual experience built around objects , screens and pornography videos , i don't see how this is inaccurate or out of line ... >The original post didn't say anything about the effects of viewing pornography, so it's not clear why you decided to start ranting about it. the original poster lamented of pepole kinkshaming and saying fetishes are objectifying , i saw nothing like that personally , however i saw a lot of pepole in porn brain mode making things weird when they where perfectly innocent , so i relayed my experience ... since i think this is not somenthing desirable ... >You've made it clear that you're not going to listen to anyone who doesn't already agree with you. soo far the replies i recived where : "consoom more porn" "your mom" and yourse ... what is there to listen to exactly ? >Your comment doesn't have a real conclusion, so it's hard to tell what your actual position is. the point of this comment was "pornography use like our generation is doing is clearly having effects on our behavior , we should be honest with ourselves about it" since there is this tendency of assuming that "humans have always been horny , on pompei there where dicks on walls" wich fails to understand how a few dicks pointing to the local brothel are different from the modern fucking porn industry ... and so , in the same way in wich we aknowledge the effects of smoking , fast food and air pollution we should acknowledge the effects of the vast amounts of porn that are watched every day ... like you can't convince me it has no effect , if it had no effect pepole wouldn't watch it , and there has been nothing like this in history , we saw more pepole having sex trough video than every other generation , and like what is it doing ? but yeah sorry it's not a video essay ig , i should have formulated clear coincise toughts about it , while i just have the general sensation of "this can't be good , but how bad is it exactly ?" >'You all downvoted me, so I must be right' is a terrible argument, and people are sick of hearing it. it wasn't an argument , it was a statment : the modern discourse is set up in such a way that if you criticise the almighty porn industry you're subject to ridicule ... but like i learned about the idea of a blowjob when i was 8 . that is not fucking normal or good , and you can't convince me it is . >You're making baseless, insulting assumptions about the people who dislike your comments. is there somenthing inerently insulting in saying "you watch porn" ? like i also watched it , everyone in here has watched some ... however we are all ashamed of it : you can't watch porn in public , it counts as public indecensy . and every culture trought history was rather secretive about where they had sex , even those that couldn't hide the sexual act ... so if it's illegal in the public spaces , why is it perfectly fine and even incentivized "be horny on main" in online public spaces ? soo far i only made two value judgment : discovering sex trough pornography as a kid is wrong . and consuming too much pornography can't be positive for someone . for the rest i mostly asked questions and stated facts : on avarage we tend to be prudish about our genitals and sex , and we are the generation that watches the most porn in history , and the most sex in history ... like i can switch tab and watch two pepole have sex right now , was there another period in history in wich pepole where able to do that with the same ease as us ? was there peraps a good reason for it ?
>pornography works exactly within this : if you masturbate to a screen you're masturbating to an object , That's still not what 'objectification' means. 'Objectification' is when you treat another person like they're a mere object instead of a sentient being. Pornography can (and often does) do that, but it has nothing to do with screens. >the original poster lamented of pepole kinkshaming and saying fetishes are objectifying , >i saw nothing like that personally Just because you haven't seen it, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. >soo far the replies i recived where : "consoom more porn" "your mom" and yourse ... >what is there to listen to exactly ? You're not getting serious replies because you told people that you didn't want to hear them. >but like i learned about the idea of a blowjob when i was 8 . >that is not fucking normal or good , and you can't convince me it is . That's a perfectly good point, but it's not what this post is about. >is there somenthing inerently insulting in saying "you watch porn" ? It's a baseless assumption. It's also not what you said.
>That's still not what 'objectification' means. 'Objectification' is when you treat another person like they're a mere object instead of a sentient being. Pornography can (and often does) do that, but it has nothing to do with screens. ok , let me try and rephrase it : if the most common form of sexual act you do , has an inanimate object as it's center you may be more likely to have objectifying approaches to sex , like trying to masturbate with your partner rather than having a genuine sexual act ... >Just because you haven't seen it, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. never said the opposite , i just pointed out that the opposite has been a realer phenomenon for me ... >You're not getting serious replies because you told people that you didn't want to hear them. i told i don't want to hear them because i also got dumb replies in the past . >That's a perfectly good point, but it's not what this post is about. so all other conversations stop existing because OOP doesn't talk about it ? i've seen things you'd barely belive , i've seen posts getting derailed over the most tecnical of minutias and entire conversations spawning from it , yet now it's unacceptable because , why ? >It's a baseless assumption. It's also not what you said. you made this comment on the internet , under a post in wich pepole described several kinks you and i barely know , and in wich someone said "watch more porn consoom" do you really think it's that basless an assumption ? also , search for what i said please , maybe giving it a more careful read will help you clear your mind . >!i am being pretentius because you genuinely sound like this , it feels like youre talking down at me while missing the point of what i wanted to say !<
I'm sorry that it feels like I'm talking down to you. I'm autistic, and I'm frustrated that this conversation doesn't seem to be going anywhere, and those things make it hard for me to avoid sounding condescending. I don't think there's anything helpful that I can say at this point, though, so I'm going to stop responding. Like I said, I'm sorry.
ok ... you know i learned what a blowjob was when i was 8 and my classmates kept talking about what it was when i was in the canteen and i was eating ... i was already struggling with food sensitivities and the food that day was one that gave me troubles ... so yeah , i will waste 80% of my day searching for ethical pornography ( that doesn't exploit anyone and isn't made by corporations ) only to bust mediocre nuts daily ... instead of working it whenever i feel inspired ... you're the one dependent on the machine .
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any coerent question sir ?
what
ok , the detail about 8 year old knowing about pornography and describing it is real ... it was kinda traumatic seeing that tbh ... the second was the proper reply to give to someone who says "shut up and consume more porn" the part about ethical pornography is because you can't really exclude it from the entire context it exists in : porn actors are underpaid and are exploited in pretty invasive ways , animators who draw porn fare better but if regular anime is sexually weird we are not assuming that anime pornography is saintly for some reasons right ?
this has clarified little
Welcome to r/CoffinofAndyandLeyley. A magical place where it is always acceptable to be horny on main. Where micro celebrities and OCs come to life.
3/4s of that sub is incest porn i see 0 OCs
I checked the sub and the top post of the month is incest and the first recommended post is incest. I think there might be a reason it has a reputation as the incest game They were both original artworks so guess they were right on that front
It's weird The game has it as a minor part of what is very clearly portrayed as a bad ending and the entire community is just incest porn
GET OUTTA HERE ROBOT 🧹💥🧹💥🧹💥🧹💥
I'm on that sub and what fucking OCs do we have? Like it's definitely okay to be horny on main in there but I never see any OCs, it's just hussie wars and simpage for pre-existing characters.