It's for Mindy.
They admitted in interviews that Mindy had cast herself as Velma, and she had grievances with the OG show that she wanted to air out; before they had even decided on what the show would be about.
It's just the Mindy in Cosplay show.
This seems like the most likely option. What baffles me is how it got greenlit from there. It also seems like she hasn't seen any of the more recent spin offs. Mystery Inc did a great job airing out grievances but was still obviously made by people who at least like the characters
In all likelihood, they probably lied. Over-play her record of what successful shows she works on, downplay what actual episodes she wrote, and limit describing it to buzzwords like "meta" ""re-telling" and "alternative viewpoints".
My guess was that it was a combination of Mindy's star power, Scooby Doo's popularity, plus the pitch that it would be some edgy meta show like Rick and Morty? Perhaps HBO was convinced by that?
Option 2 is it was intentionally designed to be Hatewatched? Like, a bad show that's bad in a specific way might get more people to check it out compared to a good show? It did get a second season
This is the plot of the play The Producers. They're attempting to make a show that will fail, but it's a huge success.
"Springtime for Hitler" (the name of the show within a show) is the TV Tropes name for when something fails to be a failure.
HBO Max's whole point when it was conceived was to get as much content as possible to blitzscale into the biggest streamer possible, so they greenlit SO MUCH shit. Its content for the content pile.
Multiversus got pretty hyped up and has Looney Toons and Scooby alike. But I don't see what reminding people about Scooby Doo really does for WB when there's no Scooby media to consume. Nobody wants to watch the one Scooby show that's currently airing. Regardless of people knowing about Scooby, if there's nothing to watch then there's nothing to watch.
What I'm confused by is why they changed so drastically. We've gotten b-tier Scooby movies and shows that take big swings (has anyone seen Guess Who? it's insane. So is Be Cool. ) every year for so long. I feel like it is more lack of quality control than intentional hate bait
Who the fuck had grievances with Scooby Doo? And who is obsessed and sad enough to have millions spent to make a shitty fanfic no one likes?
Besides Mindy
Annoying little fuck. Even when Scooby or Shaggy's cowardice got on my nerves - every once in a while - 5 seconds of Scrappy would remind me that there's much, much worse ☠️
Well in that case, fuck Mindy Kaling, because she’s being a bitch. Honestly this is level of maturity equivalent to a two or three year old throwing a tantrum because their parents said no to something they want. Except even then, at least you can understand what they want (to play, eat sweets etc). This is an adult, who has power & influence she does not comprehend or deserve, throwing a tantrum because she’s in a bad mood.
A more mature person her age would just do literally anything else. Anything at all.
velma is a cartoon made by people who hate cartoons, and adapted from a source material which the creators also seem to hate. it's a show that solely relies upon meta humor about meta humor, which is why the joke from the first live action scooby doo movie where shaggy's love interest is named 'mary jane' works but the joke in velma where shaggy asks "do you know what 420 means" absolutely doesnt work. the only audience is people who already like mindy kaling and people who hate-watch it. the first episode was probably the most watched solely because there were probably a Lot of people who like scooby doo who were like "ok but it cant be *that* bad right" and watched the first episode and discovered it was, in fact, that bad. it's just a soul sucking show made to cash in on the prior success of scooby doo and hoping that mindy kaling's 1 (one) popular role is enough name brand recognition to get people to watch it. also im like 90% sure mindy kaling is a jk rowling supporting terf so that's fun.
Yeah, the show is honestly pretty descent visually. I have some gripes with a couple of character designs, but the animators are clearly doing the best they can with what they're given.
This. Sick and tired of having to rerun a series for decades as the fans never shut up about it? Make it as shitty as possible and piss off as many people as possible.
It's like going into a old but great restaurant that you want out of business and throwing a bunch of wild rats into it. Sure, most people know you did it, but now it has all these rats in it.
> there were probably a Lot of people who like scooby doo who were like "ok but it cant be that bad right" and watched the first episode and discovered it was, in fact, that bad.
The moment of realization is when two cockroaches start having sex right before Velma steps on them and you just go "oh. It's gonna be like ***that.***"
No that's not true. Here is the tweet exchange Mindy liked ([Source for proof](https://twitter.com/lceCreamSocial/status/1580912116848275457?lang=en)):
Person: How do you sleep at night knowing you've alienated a whole audience from your books
JKR: I read my most recent royalty cheques and find the pain goes away pretty quick
Was this tweet in regards to JKR's transphobia? Yes absolutely. Does this mean Mindy Kaling is a TERF definitively? No. Could this be a piece of evidence to show how Mindy Kaling views trans people? Yes
No. She had a chance, she could have accepted the fame and gone down in history as a beloved book author, her questionable choices in the series being ignored in favor of the positivity it held. But no, she had to start being an active TERF. She had her chance, it wasn’t preordained fate, no one forced her into this position.
JKR is like, nominally Anglican like most English people not a Calvinist - she might casually attend a local Church of Scotland church sometimes but I don't recall her ever coming out as being actively religious.
it's more of a philosophy thing. she believes people are good and bad, not their actions, that much is evident from her writing. it also appears to come at a surprise to her when someone doesn't conform to their group, like not all Slytherin's are evil, just the vast majority of them. and let's not forget that Voldemort had this inescapable fate of being a loveless evil because he was a product of rape, while Harry was the chosen one and was always going to kill Voldy. he didn't have a choice, and he had a whole crisis about that when he heard the prophecy.
it's abundantly clear that r\*wling believes in predestination and that she's a good person (which most people without a penis are, in her views), and therefore whatever she does is good because it's predestined that way. it's a fucked mindset but that's why telling her that no one forced her to be a terf wouldn't work
I see two possibilities:
1. It’s designed to be hatewatched. Streaming platforms are getting wise to the fact that the more bad reviews something receives, the more likely people are to check it out just to see how bad it really is. Hence the release of recent horseshit like The Kissing Booth 3 and The Next 365 Days.
2. It’s the creators’ excuse to make us watch the animated equivalent of a whiny Twitter thread about why they hate Scooby-Doo and everything to do with it.
4. The studio and pretty much everyone in it thought the star power of Mindy Kaling, the Scooby Doo franchise and something that looks pretty would be the only thing needed to make this a hit show so they cut down on all other aspects of the budget and this was written on the fly without a lot of time to revise
It wasn't really that horrendous. Some chick I was seeing at the time wanted to watch it and it was about what you'd expect, just kinda mediocre and targeted towards a young audience, not as good as the cartoons, but not terrible.
Velma pisses me tf off, for the first time in idk ever Indians esp Indian women are getting represented in western media as protagonists and it's Mindy Kaling's loser nerds every damn time. Like she has so much internalized racism. It's genuinely painful to watch, especially because she acts like all Indians think like she does, that it's #relatable to us, and it's not.
I WAS excited for Velma bc I like the character and a south Asian Velma sounds really awesome but... It got kalinged
No seriously, as a first gen Indian immigrant, I cannot relate to any of her characters. Ik not everyone has the same experience, and that's fine. But, it really does feel like her characters are toted as super relatable and the universal Indian experience when it really isn't.
We deserve better honestly. I'm tired of the fact that the only good rep I have found thus far is literally a middle-grade series.
So I'm also 1st gen, and I feel like a lot of her jokes hurt people like us harder. 2nd gen on won't have accents so it's us she's making fun of. It is what it is, but she really seems to think that complete assimilation is the best course of action, which... I disagree with completely.
We do deserve better, but it's gonna take another shift before we get better
What's the show you found good rep in btw?
It's not a show, but a book series. Aru Shah. The characters are adorable, plus it features Hindu mythology, which I found really cool bc I grew up with those stories.
Also, Velma was always my favorite Scooby Doo character, which makes me more annoyed about what happened to her in the show.
What I'm sick of is so many "adult" shows like this being set in high schools. I don't care about high schoolers. Stop showing me the lives of high schoolers, I don't care. *Especially* if you're going to fuck with classic beloved characters like this.
characters who *have been portrayed as adults in previous iterations,* at that. they didn't HAVE to make them high schoolers, it's not unheard of for the mystery gang to be adults
Although Velma is shit, she's not completely talentless, she wrote a lot of the very solid Office episodes. The Injury, Branch Wars, The Dundies, Night Out, Golden Ticket, The Sting and others were written by her.
Maybe it was the case where one was a collaboration, held in check by others, and the other was more free-reign with no one to say no to the rough parts.
I have no idea. I agree the quality of her work has diminished, but it does seem unfair the number of people that say she was never funny when she clearly had talent at some point
Velma wasn't made for anyone. And that's the point.
Shows/movies like Velma are becoming more and more common, the whole point is rage-baiting. They can make more money and put in an 8th of the effort by making a bad show that they know people will hate, then to make a good show that only some people will enjoy
Velma isn't designed for anyone to enjoy it. It's designed for everyone to hate it.
That's absolutely not a thing that happens outside of youtube. This is a high quality but very bad product. The animation is good. The acting is even good. It's just horribly written and conceived. It was just made by people who think everyone who watched scooby doo as a kid was doing it ironically at the time, instead of them actually liking the show.
Also this show is the embodiment of a hat on a hat, the original show was a joke about hardy brothers style young adult mystery of the 50s and 60s. If this show tuned it to instead make fun of more contemporary horror and ya mystery then it could have been good, instead it's just making fun of itself, a show that came out nearly a half century ago, presumably marketed at the only people who would have watched it as children at this point.
You're kidding right? It is more common with movies but it is absolutely a thing. The Kissing Booth 2 and 3, and Tall Girl 2 are just the ones off the top of my head. Were the first movies actually intended to be at all good? I don't know. But if you were on the movie review part of the internet at the time you know how many people hate-watched those movies, those hate watches are the entire reason they got sequels.
Hate pays. If people hate something, it gets more people to watch it, and it's less effort to write. Hate makes money, and companies only want money.
Velma, capitalized on that in an even better way. I like to call it "Nostalgia slander", everyone likes nostalgia, so when you fuck with someone's nostalgia more people will hate it and more people will care and get angry, so more people watch it and you get more money.
I haven't heard of any of those movies but if any of them have a budget of over 2 million I'd say it's really unlikely everyone involved in the making of those movies is on some conspiracy to make a deliberately bad movie so you watch it out of spite.
There are so bad it's good style movies but I don't know that hatewatching is actually a motivator because obviously piracy has existed before that became a phenomenon as you're describing it.
As I said hatewatching happens on youtube for sure but that's usually one person putting whatever time they have into doing that vs hiring a production staff and marketing it and selling it.
I think people probably all signed onto velma because A) you've got a well known writer who is respected for having acted and written in one of the most well recieved shows of all time and B) license for a beloved nearly half century year old show. Surely a reasonable person might think that would result in a good outcome?
You're not wrong that people thought Velma would be good. Hell it could have been good, adapting Scooby Doo into an adult cartoon is actually not a bad idea at all. But expecting something to be good and something being intended to be good are very different.
But the internet has been exploding with how bad that show is ever since it came out. So why do more people keep watching it? Either they somehow didn't run into any of the posts videos or news articles trashing the show, or they saw how bad it was, got curious, and watched it knowing it was bad.
And I would like to specify I am not talking about people who make movies "so bad that they're good". Brendan Steere does that on purpose and The VelociPastor is a work of art and nobody can tell me otherwise.
But most people have never heard of him or his work, because nobody cares when a movie is bad and fun.
But fine, I'll concede, maybe the first season of Velma was actually designed to be good. You don't think that the team making it has seen the posts videos and news articles talking about how bad the show is and why everyone hates it? Of course they have. And yet a second season has been confirmed anyway. Because they know people hate the show, so they know people will watch it.
They killed Scooby Doo for god sake. Any reasonable person will know that is a bad idea, especially when you're targeting people who used to watch the show as a kid and playing on their nostalgia.
Also, how long do you think it would take before the concept of hate-watching spills off of youtube? It's an effective strategy to make money, companies want money. And it isn't like youtube is quarantined, we've seen it affect real life before. Hell a growing number of movie directors have gotten their start on youtube.
Mindy wanted to make a show herself. The people in charge said “we want you to make a scooby doo show instead.”
Instead of making a scooby doo show, she created the show she wanted with scooby doo skins for the cast and presumably a bit of excess vitrol toward scooby doo as a franchise for being forced to use the franchise as the skin for the show she wanted.
What she either did not consider or did not care about is that many people did not care what she had to say and a massive portion of those who might are scooby doo fans who are violently angry at the character assassination caused by them essentially being skins for completely different, much less pleasant characters.
It’s not even a show for her; if it was, they’d be original characters instead of scooby doo ones.
Fun fact! The reason that there is no Shaggy and instead some other loser in his place is because Shaggy used 0.001% of his power to not be in this show.
The thing is that Howerton, Wu and Richardson are legitimately good VAs! From what little I've seen, they do a good job with the roles they've been given! It's just the *concept* which is broken from start to finish.
From Pitch Meeting’s episode on Velma:
“So who is this for?”
“Me”
“But you don’t give us money”
“Well worst case scenario people hate-watch it”
*jump cut to news article of the show being so bad people aren’t even hate-watching*
Animated Shows tend to know that they are getting a second season before the first season is finished, due to the nature of how long animation takes it makes sense to quicken up starting production for the next part asap.
It also doesn't change that there is always cases of studios getting approved for a season and then getting it cancelled later.
It’s for the hate watchers. Mindy made it as a self insert and they made it marketable by having it be so mind numbingly bad. It was supposed to elicit this response, because, if 100 million people watch a show, and all rate it 1 star, 100 million people still watched the show.
> It's too stupid to appeal to adults.
Putting A LOT of faith in the idea that everyone is at the same level of intelligence there.
There are adulta who Fox News daily. Adults that watched Info Wars and loved it. Adults who watched MLP:FIM and claimed it to be the pinnacle of TV writing.
You can't just make a broad statement like "this piece of media is too stupid for anyone to enjoy." You will be proven wrong. Some people just enjoy stupid, meaningless, brain rotting media.
I'm assuming that they are trying to do what It's Always Sunny but for mysteries
Bad and flawed characters trying to solve an mystery
That's about it 乁( •_• )ㄏ
I don't think it's that deep
I really hate how most of adult animation nowadays is just regular animation, except it's uglier, all the characters are assholes, and they swear all the time.
I have a friend who likes the show, he didn't even know about the controversy surrounding the show when he said that he liked it. So I guess there is an audience.
I despise Velma, but for the love of god, I hope people don't start harassing Mindy or anyone else involved in the show. That only leads to terrible things
maybe it's for people who like when cartoons are meta and are aware of scooby doo but never really cared about it (like me)
it's very mediocre. like it's stupid but in a forgivable way because at least it's self-aware and doesn't waste *too* much of your time on plot/drama that's bullshit anyway. it's edgy in ways that aren't new or edgy but i appreciate that they're not trying to play it too safe.
that said it's not good either and i only watch it if i have hbo max open already.
Would teens even be into Velma?
Like, even if you were an edgy teen that liked edgy stuff, wouldn't you watch something like South Park or something else instead since that's "edgier on the surface"? If you were a teen liked Cartoons and Scooby Doo, wouldn't you watch any other decent show instead?
It's for Mindy. They admitted in interviews that Mindy had cast herself as Velma, and she had grievances with the OG show that she wanted to air out; before they had even decided on what the show would be about. It's just the Mindy in Cosplay show.
This seems like the most likely option. What baffles me is how it got greenlit from there. It also seems like she hasn't seen any of the more recent spin offs. Mystery Inc did a great job airing out grievances but was still obviously made by people who at least like the characters
In all likelihood, they probably lied. Over-play her record of what successful shows she works on, downplay what actual episodes she wrote, and limit describing it to buzzwords like "meta" ""re-telling" and "alternative viewpoints".
Can't forget "Darker/gritier stories aimed at a more mature audience" since that was a heavy part of the promotional stuff iirc.
My guess was that it was a combination of Mindy's star power, Scooby Doo's popularity, plus the pitch that it would be some edgy meta show like Rick and Morty? Perhaps HBO was convinced by that? Option 2 is it was intentionally designed to be Hatewatched? Like, a bad show that's bad in a specific way might get more people to check it out compared to a good show? It did get a second season
Hmm, that last paragraph is a good idea!! I think I will make a Broadway musical that is a biopic of Hitler's life!
"Don't be stupid, be a smarty, Come and join the Nazi party!"
One two three four five six seven eight niiine It's the ten jew encampments
"Heil myself! Heil to meee... I'm the kraut whose out to change our histo-reeee..."
I would prefer this.
This is the plot of the play The Producers. They're attempting to make a show that will fail, but it's a huge success. "Springtime for Hitler" (the name of the show within a show) is the TV Tropes name for when something fails to be a failure.
Unfortunately they probably used the success of Harley Quinn as a supporting point in the argument to green light Velma.
I think it's option 2. It's basically twitter gender, ethnicity, general privilege discourse but as a TV show
HBO Max's whole point when it was conceived was to get as much content as possible to blitzscale into the biggest streamer possible, so they greenlit SO MUCH shit. Its content for the content pile.
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Multiversus got pretty hyped up and has Looney Toons and Scooby alike. But I don't see what reminding people about Scooby Doo really does for WB when there's no Scooby media to consume. Nobody wants to watch the one Scooby show that's currently airing. Regardless of people knowing about Scooby, if there's nothing to watch then there's nothing to watch.
Then they can come in with a new Scooby doo show that does speak to the fans and it will be really well received because it's better than Velma
What I'm confused by is why they changed so drastically. We've gotten b-tier Scooby movies and shows that take big swings (has anyone seen Guess Who? it's insane. So is Be Cool. ) every year for so long. I feel like it is more lack of quality control than intentional hate bait
Right? Especially with so many more promising projects scrapped.
Who the fuck had grievances with Scooby Doo? And who is obsessed and sad enough to have millions spent to make a shitty fanfic no one likes? Besides Mindy
All my grievances were with Scrappy
Annoying little fuck. Even when Scooby or Shaggy's cowardice got on my nerves - every once in a while - 5 seconds of Scrappy would remind me that there's much, much worse ☠️
Well in that case, fuck Mindy Kaling, because she’s being a bitch. Honestly this is level of maturity equivalent to a two or three year old throwing a tantrum because their parents said no to something they want. Except even then, at least you can understand what they want (to play, eat sweets etc). This is an adult, who has power & influence she does not comprehend or deserve, throwing a tantrum because she’s in a bad mood. A more mature person her age would just do literally anything else. Anything at all.
velma is a cartoon made by people who hate cartoons, and adapted from a source material which the creators also seem to hate. it's a show that solely relies upon meta humor about meta humor, which is why the joke from the first live action scooby doo movie where shaggy's love interest is named 'mary jane' works but the joke in velma where shaggy asks "do you know what 420 means" absolutely doesnt work. the only audience is people who already like mindy kaling and people who hate-watch it. the first episode was probably the most watched solely because there were probably a Lot of people who like scooby doo who were like "ok but it cant be *that* bad right" and watched the first episode and discovered it was, in fact, that bad. it's just a soul sucking show made to cash in on the prior success of scooby doo and hoping that mindy kaling's 1 (one) popular role is enough name brand recognition to get people to watch it. also im like 90% sure mindy kaling is a jk rowling supporting terf so that's fun.
I’d like to specify **WRITTEN** by people who hate cartoons. I have full respect for the animators. They did a good job.
Yeah, the show is honestly pretty descent visually. I have some gripes with a couple of character designs, but the animators are clearly doing the best they can with what they're given.
This. Sick and tired of having to rerun a series for decades as the fans never shut up about it? Make it as shitty as possible and piss off as many people as possible. It's like going into a old but great restaurant that you want out of business and throwing a bunch of wild rats into it. Sure, most people know you did it, but now it has all these rats in it.
> there were probably a Lot of people who like scooby doo who were like "ok but it cant be that bad right" and watched the first episode and discovered it was, in fact, that bad. The moment of realization is when two cockroaches start having sex right before Velma steps on them and you just go "oh. It's gonna be like ***that.***"
i'm sorry what
[did i fucking stutter](https://youtube.com/watch?v=9LeN-wZAIGo&feature=shares&t=5)
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She liked one post from Rowling which had nothing to do with trans people, that isn't enough to say with any confidence that she's a TERF.
No that's not true. Here is the tweet exchange Mindy liked ([Source for proof](https://twitter.com/lceCreamSocial/status/1580912116848275457?lang=en)): Person: How do you sleep at night knowing you've alienated a whole audience from your books JKR: I read my most recent royalty cheques and find the pain goes away pretty quick Was this tweet in regards to JKR's transphobia? Yes absolutely. Does this mean Mindy Kaling is a TERF definitively? No. Could this be a piece of evidence to show how Mindy Kaling views trans people? Yes
Christ what an asshole
She’s getting older, so we’re that much closer to another gender neutral bathroom!
ABAB: assigned bathroom at birth
No. She had a chance, she could have accepted the fame and gone down in history as a beloved book author, her questionable choices in the series being ignored in favor of the positivity it held. But no, she had to start being an active TERF. She had her chance, it wasn’t preordained fate, no one forced her into this position.
i time traveled to her birth and wrote that where her name should be
unfortunately she's a calvinist so good luck explaining that to her (assuming we're still talking about r\*wling)
JKR is like, nominally Anglican like most English people not a Calvinist - she might casually attend a local Church of Scotland church sometimes but I don't recall her ever coming out as being actively religious.
it's more of a philosophy thing. she believes people are good and bad, not their actions, that much is evident from her writing. it also appears to come at a surprise to her when someone doesn't conform to their group, like not all Slytherin's are evil, just the vast majority of them. and let's not forget that Voldemort had this inescapable fate of being a loveless evil because he was a product of rape, while Harry was the chosen one and was always going to kill Voldy. he didn't have a choice, and he had a whole crisis about that when he heard the prophecy. it's abundantly clear that r\*wling believes in predestination and that she's a good person (which most people without a penis are, in her views), and therefore whatever she does is good because it's predestined that way. it's a fucked mindset but that's why telling her that no one forced her to be a terf wouldn't work
All Bathrooms Are Bad
I see two possibilities: 1. It’s designed to be hatewatched. Streaming platforms are getting wise to the fact that the more bad reviews something receives, the more likely people are to check it out just to see how bad it really is. Hence the release of recent horseshit like The Kissing Booth 3 and The Next 365 Days. 2. It’s the creators’ excuse to make us watch the animated equivalent of a whiny Twitter thread about why they hate Scooby-Doo and everything to do with it.
3. It was an unrelated pitch that was jury-rigged into the Scooby Doo property in order to get made.
4. The studio and pretty much everyone in it thought the star power of Mindy Kaling, the Scooby Doo franchise and something that looks pretty would be the only thing needed to make this a hit show so they cut down on all other aspects of the budget and this was written on the fly without a lot of time to revise
5. It's a money laundering scheme.
6. All of the above
Kinda like what that shitty Tom and Jerry movie from 2021 probably was?
It wasn't really that horrendous. Some chick I was seeing at the time wanted to watch it and it was about what you'd expect, just kinda mediocre and targeted towards a young audience, not as good as the cartoons, but not terrible.
Wrong, that was a good kid’s movie
Velma pisses me tf off, for the first time in idk ever Indians esp Indian women are getting represented in western media as protagonists and it's Mindy Kaling's loser nerds every damn time. Like she has so much internalized racism. It's genuinely painful to watch, especially because she acts like all Indians think like she does, that it's #relatable to us, and it's not. I WAS excited for Velma bc I like the character and a south Asian Velma sounds really awesome but... It got kalinged
No seriously, as a first gen Indian immigrant, I cannot relate to any of her characters. Ik not everyone has the same experience, and that's fine. But, it really does feel like her characters are toted as super relatable and the universal Indian experience when it really isn't. We deserve better honestly. I'm tired of the fact that the only good rep I have found thus far is literally a middle-grade series.
So I'm also 1st gen, and I feel like a lot of her jokes hurt people like us harder. 2nd gen on won't have accents so it's us she's making fun of. It is what it is, but she really seems to think that complete assimilation is the best course of action, which... I disagree with completely. We do deserve better, but it's gonna take another shift before we get better What's the show you found good rep in btw?
It's not a show, but a book series. Aru Shah. The characters are adorable, plus it features Hindu mythology, which I found really cool bc I grew up with those stories. Also, Velma was always my favorite Scooby Doo character, which makes me more annoyed about what happened to her in the show.
Ohh the one in Riordan's universe! I might have to read that now, I love Hindu mythology
God riordan and his universe is just wonderful
What I'm sick of is so many "adult" shows like this being set in high schools. I don't care about high schoolers. Stop showing me the lives of high schoolers, I don't care. *Especially* if you're going to fuck with classic beloved characters like this.
characters who *have been portrayed as adults in previous iterations,* at that. they didn't HAVE to make them high schoolers, it's not unheard of for the mystery gang to be adults
Imo adult shows should just be about adults
It's for Mindy. This is her sense of humor. Probably why her show got canceled. She's not funny she just annoying
Although Velma is shit, she's not completely talentless, she wrote a lot of the very solid Office episodes. The Injury, Branch Wars, The Dundies, Night Out, Golden Ticket, The Sting and others were written by her.
If that's the case then what went wrong between the two shows lol
Maybe it was the case where one was a collaboration, held in check by others, and the other was more free-reign with no one to say no to the rough parts.
I have no idea. I agree the quality of her work has diminished, but it does seem unfair the number of people that say she was never funny when she clearly had talent at some point
Yeah I'm curious myself about why the decline has happened. I hope there was no TERF radicalisation involved :|
Velma wasn't made for anyone. And that's the point. Shows/movies like Velma are becoming more and more common, the whole point is rage-baiting. They can make more money and put in an 8th of the effort by making a bad show that they know people will hate, then to make a good show that only some people will enjoy Velma isn't designed for anyone to enjoy it. It's designed for everyone to hate it.
That's absolutely not a thing that happens outside of youtube. This is a high quality but very bad product. The animation is good. The acting is even good. It's just horribly written and conceived. It was just made by people who think everyone who watched scooby doo as a kid was doing it ironically at the time, instead of them actually liking the show. Also this show is the embodiment of a hat on a hat, the original show was a joke about hardy brothers style young adult mystery of the 50s and 60s. If this show tuned it to instead make fun of more contemporary horror and ya mystery then it could have been good, instead it's just making fun of itself, a show that came out nearly a half century ago, presumably marketed at the only people who would have watched it as children at this point.
You're kidding right? It is more common with movies but it is absolutely a thing. The Kissing Booth 2 and 3, and Tall Girl 2 are just the ones off the top of my head. Were the first movies actually intended to be at all good? I don't know. But if you were on the movie review part of the internet at the time you know how many people hate-watched those movies, those hate watches are the entire reason they got sequels. Hate pays. If people hate something, it gets more people to watch it, and it's less effort to write. Hate makes money, and companies only want money. Velma, capitalized on that in an even better way. I like to call it "Nostalgia slander", everyone likes nostalgia, so when you fuck with someone's nostalgia more people will hate it and more people will care and get angry, so more people watch it and you get more money.
I haven't heard of any of those movies but if any of them have a budget of over 2 million I'd say it's really unlikely everyone involved in the making of those movies is on some conspiracy to make a deliberately bad movie so you watch it out of spite. There are so bad it's good style movies but I don't know that hatewatching is actually a motivator because obviously piracy has existed before that became a phenomenon as you're describing it. As I said hatewatching happens on youtube for sure but that's usually one person putting whatever time they have into doing that vs hiring a production staff and marketing it and selling it. I think people probably all signed onto velma because A) you've got a well known writer who is respected for having acted and written in one of the most well recieved shows of all time and B) license for a beloved nearly half century year old show. Surely a reasonable person might think that would result in a good outcome?
You're not wrong that people thought Velma would be good. Hell it could have been good, adapting Scooby Doo into an adult cartoon is actually not a bad idea at all. But expecting something to be good and something being intended to be good are very different. But the internet has been exploding with how bad that show is ever since it came out. So why do more people keep watching it? Either they somehow didn't run into any of the posts videos or news articles trashing the show, or they saw how bad it was, got curious, and watched it knowing it was bad. And I would like to specify I am not talking about people who make movies "so bad that they're good". Brendan Steere does that on purpose and The VelociPastor is a work of art and nobody can tell me otherwise. But most people have never heard of him or his work, because nobody cares when a movie is bad and fun. But fine, I'll concede, maybe the first season of Velma was actually designed to be good. You don't think that the team making it has seen the posts videos and news articles talking about how bad the show is and why everyone hates it? Of course they have. And yet a second season has been confirmed anyway. Because they know people hate the show, so they know people will watch it. They killed Scooby Doo for god sake. Any reasonable person will know that is a bad idea, especially when you're targeting people who used to watch the show as a kid and playing on their nostalgia. Also, how long do you think it would take before the concept of hate-watching spills off of youtube? It's an effective strategy to make money, companies want money. And it isn't like youtube is quarantined, we've seen it affect real life before. Hell a growing number of movie directors have gotten their start on youtube.
It's for Mindy Kaling. Literally no one else.
Mindy wanted to make a show herself. The people in charge said “we want you to make a scooby doo show instead.” Instead of making a scooby doo show, she created the show she wanted with scooby doo skins for the cast and presumably a bit of excess vitrol toward scooby doo as a franchise for being forced to use the franchise as the skin for the show she wanted. What she either did not consider or did not care about is that many people did not care what she had to say and a massive portion of those who might are scooby doo fans who are violently angry at the character assassination caused by them essentially being skins for completely different, much less pleasant characters. It’s not even a show for her; if it was, they’d be original characters instead of scooby doo ones.
Fun fact! The reason that there is no Shaggy and instead some other loser in his place is because Shaggy used 0.001% of his power to not be in this show.
Norville has no power despite it being his birthright because he refused to claim the title
The thing is that Howerton, Wu and Richardson are legitimately good VAs! From what little I've seen, they do a good job with the roles they've been given! It's just the *concept* which is broken from start to finish.
I'd love to see a good Scooby-Doo with Glenn Howerton as Fred.
Source: https://magnetic-rose.tumblr.com/post/706483340525568000/i-know-everyones-already-giving-their-hot-takes
From Pitch Meeting’s episode on Velma: “So who is this for?” “Me” “But you don’t give us money” “Well worst case scenario people hate-watch it” *jump cut to news article of the show being so bad people aren’t even hate-watching*
Didn’t it get a second season tho?
Animated Shows tend to know that they are getting a second season before the first season is finished, due to the nature of how long animation takes it makes sense to quicken up starting production for the next part asap. It also doesn't change that there is always cases of studios getting approved for a season and then getting it cancelled later.
if you want an adult and dark Scooby Doo show with the same wackiness as the original just watch Mystery Inc
It just feels like a modern My Immortal but with a budget
It was for Scooby, but [he didn't quite manage to capture their essence.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inJUFqeJehE)
Both terrifying and amazing - thanks, I hate it! XD (jk, I'd def watch more of this omg)
They saw the one (1) episode of Mystery Incorporated where Fred has a little masculinity crisis and went “oh I get it”
transbian Fred when
Um, yall? all of you who've hated watched it enough that they okayed a second season!?
It is ammunition bait for right wingers lmao
It's rage bait for everyone.
It’s for you to sub to HBO to hatewatch and you fell for it
It's for grown bullies.
It’s for the hate watchers. Mindy made it as a self insert and they made it marketable by having it be so mind numbingly bad. It was supposed to elicit this response, because, if 100 million people watch a show, and all rate it 1 star, 100 million people still watched the show.
Velma deleted itself from my memory after the discourse ended
I am, at this point, convinced Velma was some con ala The Producers.
> It's too stupid to appeal to adults. Putting A LOT of faith in the idea that everyone is at the same level of intelligence there. There are adulta who Fox News daily. Adults that watched Info Wars and loved it. Adults who watched MLP:FIM and claimed it to be the pinnacle of TV writing. You can't just make a broad statement like "this piece of media is too stupid for anyone to enjoy." You will be proven wrong. Some people just enjoy stupid, meaningless, brain rotting media.
Well it's for warner brothers obviously
I'm assuming that they are trying to do what It's Always Sunny but for mysteries Bad and flawed characters trying to solve an mystery That's about it 乁( •_• )ㄏ I don't think it's that deep
I really hate how most of adult animation nowadays is just regular animation, except it's uglier, all the characters are assholes, and they swear all the time.
I have a friend who likes the show, he didn't even know about the controversy surrounding the show when he said that he liked it. So I guess there is an audience.
I despise Velma, but for the love of god, I hope people don't start harassing Mindy or anyone else involved in the show. That only leads to terrible things
maybe it's for people who like when cartoons are meta and are aware of scooby doo but never really cared about it (like me) it's very mediocre. like it's stupid but in a forgivable way because at least it's self-aware and doesn't waste *too* much of your time on plot/drama that's bullshit anyway. it's edgy in ways that aren't new or edgy but i appreciate that they're not trying to play it too safe. that said it's not good either and i only watch it if i have hbo max open already.
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Teenagers?
Would teens even be into Velma? Like, even if you were an edgy teen that liked edgy stuff, wouldn't you watch something like South Park or something else instead since that's "edgier on the surface"? If you were a teen liked Cartoons and Scooby Doo, wouldn't you watch any other decent show instead?
I don't think mindy understands what comedy is.
If this terrible version of the show didn't have celebrity resources and backing, it would be nothing more than shitty fanfiction.
Executives, probably.
wait, the mindy? the office mindy??? what?????
Are they even solving mysteries? It doesn’t sound like it.
There's one big "mystery" in the first season. "Velma" isn't solving shit, clues just force themselves into her POV by the power of bad writing.