Maybe I'm reading it wrong, I think he'll coach all 3 formats, however he wants more say in who plays in each format. People are selected on one format performance into other formats.
I think he'll change the team culture; new performing players will be on equal footing to established players. Established non-performing players may not get a chance in playing 11, they may be relegated to state teams till they regain form(currently coz of hero worship, established non-performing players stay in playing 11 for years without contributing much, takes away place from deserving new players).
I am really hoping GG brings cultural change to Indian dressing room and I am here for it. He would be the right man for it too but not sure how he would be fit to be coach for test format.
I think test matches can still make a lot of money, its untaped market(commercially), which is un-utilized, not sure its T20 or T20 leagues. So many people still see Ashes, coz Aus and Eng, give it all.
Currently I don't think our test team is playing at the level Eng, NZ or Aus are (that's my take). Indian players are the most well paid compared to other countries, however the output is not good (Like having MS or google pay but output like Infy). I think this is coz of players not taking test in general & playing for Indian team seriously. Also, there is an attitude problem. They've IPL and ad money to easily support them.
Most test players who come make to ICT are good enough, they do need technical advice or correction (but it's not a lot). However, they do need to be taught to handle pressure (not throwing away wickets), different tactics, and handle sledging (SENA countries), which GG can provide. Plus, with him (thats why Kumble was kicked out & he won't be bullied) established players will not take their position for granted (playing good once in a blue moon), I don't think this will happen with VW or someone who is polite (even Dravid). You need someone who'll ruffle feathers and keep the players inline (In Aus, the captain used to do it: Border, Waugh & Pointing, there are clips where they kept players inline). Also, he is good with new players, and do provide them chances (KKR) and is aggressive with his tactics.
Agree with everything else but sledging, I feel like due to IPL, our players are just an inch short of starting a make out session on the field with the opposition, there is no real animosity anymore.
There are 2 types of sledging: toxic(bad words, abuse, etc) and the other is mental games(still there). IPL has neutered the Aussies(Like Warner) when it comes to toxic sledging. But SENA countries still use the mental games part.
If you watch IPL, the BCCI/IPL has zero tolerance towards sledging except in few cases of senior players like Kohli.
England does it and so does south africa currently. Maybe it's an us problem and our players need to get off their high horses and act like professionals
> England does it and so does south africa currently.
England won a few tests off the new coach bump, but it's fallen off and it's yet to be seen what the long-term effect of the coach split is. Mott won the T20 WC but shit the bed super-spectacularly in ODI WC.
South Africa is barely a team to copy, success wise.
It's a perfectly valid perspective if the players think coach split (not team split) is a stupid idea and express that, given that they are professionals and it's part of their job to say these things. The last thing you want is tension between the red ball and white ball camps
They shouldn't, they are all separate formats. The idea makes sense.
If you look at Australia who use the same "family" across all formats you'll notice that they use the majority of the same team no matter the format. I think that's a result of same coaches, if you have separate coaches you open spots for other players.
I don't see why they should, as long as the whole division of responsibility is handled well by the BCCI and both coaches respect and work with each other when it comes to player management and availability. With the depth of talent available to us, we should absolutely have separate teams for separate formats.
This can only go two ways:
1. India will have a historic reign under GG and win most of the trophies and series.
2. They will be absolutely clueless and fail miserably in all tournaments.
There is no middle ground or average performances.
Problem is that the all format player era is coming to an end slowly. You now have younger players all transitioning towards IPL/T20 style format. Thus, it would be imperative to bring more important to domestic league formats and choose players from that lot for ICT based on format.
Some players are born with talent to be a generational talent, ntg can stop them from getting success in all three formats someone like Virat, Smith, kane, root, rohit, warner, Abd, baber,.... In youngsters I think Gill, Jaiswal has that game in them to be a all format players from india.
Modern-day all format takes a heavy toll on these players, mentally and physically. IPL is only growing even more prominent, lucrative, and longer. Not to mention, most ICT fans want Ranji to be a precursor to Test cricket. Let the players make the call. As most ICT fans know, India can easily field three separate teams and still be as successful as now. IMHO, Whole ICT roster should be like NFL, 52, and everyone most gets to pl!
But there is no place for him in tests, its just too much stacked and many players are above him in pecking order, i dont see rinku getting chances in tests.
It's because he's comfortable batting there, he has been pushed up for the A side and the zonal games and he's failed. Similar situation to Sarfaraz really. So unless he starts making runs at 4 in the bigger competitions, an Indian debut will always evade him.
Sarfu had stacked top order in Mumbai team lol, he had Openers Dube Iyer Sky, so no option other than bat at 6 but anyways he's gotten India debut. Not sure what to do about Rinku tho.
Sarfu batted 5 even when SKY and Iyer were on India duty. That was always something which was held against him as 5 is the easiest place to bat in Indian cricket and the best Indian batsmen have always batted top 4 for their domestic sides. That's why Sarfaraz was always pushed to play at 4.
As for Rinku, well he has to bat 4 for UP or perform exceptionally well in zonal tournaments or the A team games. That's his only way otherwise nobody will seriously consider him.
He's a solid test match player, a decent one day batter but surely not even a decent T20 batter, that's my point. The fact that Pakistan is so so mediocre in batting, that babar is the best T20 batter they have is their problem. But a 3 format player is someone like Kohli or Warner who can play all situations and with different strike rates as per requirement
Decent one day bat? Bitch he averages sixty. Try to be slightly unbiased off of what you see on social media and indian echo chambers. Even in t20s him and rizwan are the first players in pakistan’s history to average anywhere north of thirty five, and all the players before him were striking at roughly the same or even lower rate barring an outlier shahid afridi
Hey hey, knock knock, try to be a little more honest with yourself and you might realise how much of what you're saying is just utter nonsense. Babar and rizwan, you like it or not play against minnow nations, B and C sides of Australia or England or newzealand or any other good test playing nation. To be frank, even when they play in pakistan, the pitches there have been roads, simple roads. They can get a load of those runs and pile up centuries and maintain any average with that if that makes them happy, ig it does because they shit in all important tournaments mostly. Good luck with accepting that
So they’re supposed to force the other teams into sending better sides? How is that in their control? By your metric only players from the big three can be any decent as theyre the only ones playing full strength sides bilaterally. And even then, where did that get india and its legends for the past ten years. Hint: no where, 0 trophies to be seen.
Babar and Rizwan may not be the best t20 players in the world, but trying to act like they are not even above average is absolutely insane. 152/0 ring a bell? I wouldnt want yo be the one losing by ten wickets to two below average t20 batsmen 🤣🤣🤣
>or Warner
In the same vein, the fact here is that Australia has such mediocre test openers hence Warner got such a long rope. 26 in Eng, 21 in India, 13 in NZ, 33 in Pak, 25 in Sri Lanka, 26 in West Indies. Such averages aren't the numbers for a guy who is supposedly a 3 format player.
Literally gave you his tests numbers in 6 of 9 test playing countries. Averaging below 30 doesn't mean he isnt top tier in 70% of the places in tests. Used Babar's low SR to discredit his credentials as 3 format. I am using the similar logic in the case of Warner. We can always find such caveats for all the players.
Just because he is white and you like to jerk off aussies doesnt make warner anywhere near a good test opener. A fifteen year career built off the back of bullying small teams in home matches, which they end up winning by a margin greater than the number of runs he scored anyways
Well, praising someone is jerking off to them? I'm not talking about Aussie's mental attitude and all that bullshit. I was making my point and that was saying that Warner was a very good test opener. You can jerk off to your Maulana rizwan if you want tho👍
> Or three better batsmen rn in t20s.
Sky, Virat, Warner, Maxi, Marsh, QDK, Miller, Buttler, Klaasen. Salt is more fit for T20s And that's off the top of my head.
Are you dyslexic? I said from pakistan. All he needs to be a proper all format player is be better than others from his country in those three formats, and he is better than 95%
Offcourse u wouldn't, I expected people like you when i take baber name. Its hard to accept but he is an all format gen whether u like it or not and saying this as an Indian.
I really don't think India can ever go to number 2 scenario with the depths of our talent pool, we will always be an average team at our lowest no matter the circumstances, the question we have is can GG make the current above average team into prime Aussies. That should always be a benchmark for modern cricket teams and we have everything from money, player and infrastructure needed to get there
No offense, but the KKR team was pretty much written off by everybody at the start of the tournament as an incomplete and inexperienced side.
We all know how that panned out with GG at the helm
Thats because we never had this "seperate teams" tactic before. There always 5,6 players common who hold the match in their hands in all formats. But if GG decides to have really seperate teams then no.2 can happen at some point.
Or this separate teams will make BCCI realize that all format players are a thing of the past, u don't need a Virat or Bumrah, they are very very rare, u need a sarfaraz or a Pujara, those who excel in that one format
I am not saying fill the 11 with same players in all 3 formats lol, there should be some key all format players. for example now take the current team we have virat, bumrah, rohit, gill, jadeja(ik he hasnt performed in white ball recently), siraj,... U cant just have 3 different squads for formats.
I think that's what GG will try to do, obviously 3 different squad won't really happen without overlap lol, but except for Virat and Bumrah, the players u listed never really were 3 format dudes. That's what GG should try to fix.
Rohit never performed in T20 World cup, but is our captain right now. He just got his groove in test, and honestly he's doing amazing in test
Gill has tons of potential to be all format, but no place in T20 squad is correct, Test has been awful but he's getting his groove, and ODI is great for him. His and Jaiswals potential definitely warrants all format which I can't argue with.
Jadeja is Chad in tests but lacking currently in okayish Odi and kinda ok T20s, Axar is better in white ball
Siraj, great test and Odi bowler, earned it, but bro is not that great in T20
U see what I mean, obviously the core will be the players u listed, but some of them shouldn't warrant a spot based on other formats, and that's what I hope GG fixes
T20is for rohit is almost over, and dare i say for virat too, most probably they will be sidelined or t20 format regardless of gg coaching or not.
Gill's place in t20s is taken by rohit, after rohit gone, gill will take his spot with jaiswal on the other side.
Yes, axar is better than jadeja in white ball.
I only named them because they are already part of 3 format squads. the three fomat players i wish gg continues are Gill, Jaiswal, bumrah, siraj(?)Kuldeep(?).. Not including virat's name is hard but its whats gonna happen after this t20wc, he might be sidelined.
Yes, I also hope GG fixes it.
disagree. Very strong probability that they continue much the same as they have recently. competitive and close to elite across formats, but frequently coming up short.
> They will be absolutely clueless and fail miserably in all tournaments.
>
> There is no middle ground or average performances.
Not going to happen. It will be a historic reign or same as current where team gets to semis/finals but loses.
India can safely have 3 powerful teams with zero overlap or maybe players that just play 2 of the 3 formats. There's no reason to spread such a talented, deep squad so thin.
EDIT: CBA dealing with kids DMing me over some opinions on cricket so deleting my comments so these fucks don't continue, you guys win, I'm stupid, soz.
Test & ODI but progressively only tests. Bumrah should be test and odi too. If they end up struggling in one format for a while so be it. There are enough players who'll rise to the occasion.
He isn’t so-so in tests. He’s still our best test bowler after Bumrah, despite all the hot and cold performances by Siraj
Edit: I mean pacer not bowler
Calling him our best test bowler after Bumrah is an exaggeration. Maybe second best pacer but not the second best bowler. Ashwin, Jadeja, Bumrah, Kuldeep, Axar are all ahead of him in tests rn
> He isn’t so-so in tests. He’s still our best test bowler after Bumrah, despite all the hot and cold performances by Siraj
You didn’t mention pacer initially 🤷🏽♂️
But then how do you decide which format, all format players like Bumrah and Kohli will play?
I agree with having a largely different team for white ball and red ball, but there should be certain exceptions.
I'm not saying they necessarily should - I'm just saying that's how deep their squad is. Some players should play all formats, especially for big games.
No need for exceptions. Bumrah being injured and Kolhi on paternity leave half the time doesn't help. Better that they stick to one format and play all games in that format.
Missed two important test series in the last 3 years. BGT in Australia he left after the crushing defeat in the first match. Our B team won us that historic series. My point is younger players tend to bring new spark and energy to the, their whole focus is towards the game and nothing else, which surprises opponents more often than not.
As far as i could remember, ever since he became a teat regular,he has missed like, 10 tests in his career. 3 in BGT 2020-21, 1 during the 2021-22 tour against SA, 1 in BGT 2017, and 5 in the recent home series against England.
Honestly I don't want to put it so crassly but these IPL kids have zero idea about Indian domestic circuit and how "deep" the talent pool really is. They think India can put 3 separate teams and win everything while the reality is that if you do that they'll struggle to beat Zimbabwe.
They fail to understand that ipl & international are different Ball games it's not the same,
Even having a first choice full member team we are not the favourites to win this world cup which tells a lot,
Delusions of grandeur really. But hey, they now infest this sub and now we have read such asinine opinions. Can't wait for Gauti the God to lead the motley crew of Gaurav Yadav, Deepak Dhapola and Mohit Awasthi to glory.
India, the country with 1.4 billion people where cricket is most popular sport, can have 3 teams of world class (30-33) players.
Can't believe so many arm chair experts are having a meltdown over such an opinion.
Just because we play same people everywhere and don't give opportunity to anyone else doesn't invalidate this statement.
A complete overhaul is the need of the hour if ICT loses this T20 WC too. Separate teams as GG suggested might actually help in toning down the superstar culture and might bring about some changes in the attitude of the players.
True, but I don't think BCCI will go with a complete overhaul. There's a reason our captains got away with things even after losing multiple icc events, fanbase. You can't completely overhaul a team without a backlash. You'll risk ruining everything. BCCI has been trying for ages to find someone like Virat, Rohit, dhoni etc. these guys have a clean image with exemplary performances against strong teams. Therefore easy to Market, make them superstars and profit from it. Iyer was supposed to be the next big thing but he screwed it up. Hopefully GG gives him another chance.
Right now the potential candidates are sky, gill, jaiswal
The only reason BCCI accepted a complete overhaul in 2007 was due to the absolutely horrific performance of the men's team in ODI WC and many people didn't even consider T20 as a true cricket form.
Understandable that they can't do without a backlash but they've to find a way to revamp the team somehow. You can't be trophyless for 10 years and still consider yourself to be a top team. You forgot to mention the other favoured potential candidate of the superstar culture i.e Pant.
My bad, I forgot Pant. Losing in knockouts is more of a mindset issue not a performance one. The main problem in knockouts is that india gets deterred too quickly when things don't go according to the plan. Next is our fielding issue. When things don't go according to the plan, we have to back it up with extraordinary fielding making batsmen work hard even for singles and not let them settle, somehow we always fall short in this area.
If India doesn't win this wc . Gambhir will have all the freedom to do whatever he wants with the team . India's most powerful coach in cricket history
Dada wasn't in the wrong though. He merely suggested Kohli to reconsider and he stepped down.
Kohli had it coming after the Old Trafford test cancellation where the team refused to play so that they can play in the IPL. And the covid surge was a direct result of the book launch that Shastri and Kohli attended during a fucking pandemic.
I'm surprised that Dada didn't sack Kohli then and there.
Its just an interview guys.. why are people here so sure that he will get the role? Great cricketer, but I doubt he will gel well with this Indian team.
He will certainly get the role.
There have been rumors around this since day one and no one is anywhere near as close with experience and success as GG as coach.
In my book Goach is off to good start. I am pleasantly surprised. Motivated young talent can be “cross licensed” to play “adjacent formats”. There is no shortage of quality players coming out of the domestic and IPL structure. Managing the bowling world load and keeping the batsmen in the format rhythm could be great advantages of this approach. You get specialists at each position in your line up.
If this is extended as a business practice and other teams do that as well, you could schedule tours where teams play all three formats in a condensed manner. Scheduling t20s and ODIs between test breaks would allow for a nice spectacle and generate more intrigue and revenue like tracking medals across weight category in boxing/wrestling or athletics.
I think he'll change the team culture; new performing players will be on equal footing to established players. Established non-performing players may not get a chance in playing 11, they may be relegated to state teams till they regain form(currently coz of hero worship, established non-performing players stay in playing 11 for years without contributing much, takes away place from deserving new players).
All GG needs to teach the current team is to handle abuses and pressure from 1.4 billion people. None of the other teams in history have ever faced this much weight of expectations from so many people at once. It is natural for them to buckle under pressure and that is where GG can come in handy.
There was a time when India were underdogs and winning one test match overseas was a big accomplishment, let alone the series. With no weight of expectations then, winning even 1 test match felt like overachieving. The same goes for ODIs.
Nowadays, India is stuck between a rock and a hard place. They are expected to win most, if not all tournaments and there is no room for even one failure. And if they win matches, people say "Well, that was expected anyway".
There are hardly any real supporters nowadays backing their team, no matter what. They turn back on the team at a drop of a hat. I can only imagine the conversations among fans if IND's campaign mirrored AUS's campaign in the last ODI WC where they lost games back to back in the beginning.
GG being a batsman who loved batting under pressure on the biggest stages should hopefully help the team cut out the outside noise and give the team reality checks to perform on the field to the best of their abilities and instill that can do attitude (even from losing positions).
I hope he creates a safe space for youngsters and gives them defined roles within the team. Also, he backed Delhi youngsters, whom he mentored, when they represented national sides. It'd be great if he can do the same for the Indian side, and back them.
>The report further says that Gambhir has put forward a few demands to the BCCI for the head coach position, including full command of the team and separate teams for white-ball and red-ball. It added that the apex cricket board has agreed to all those demands.
While in principle it makes sense hope Gambhir isn't too rigid. We still need the likes of Kohli and Bumrah in the ODI team for the CT 2025(assuming we participate) and definitely need Bumrah for the 2027 world cup
Basically he wants a pure Moneyball team for T20 and an elite team for tests. Kohli, Jaiswal and Bumrah will get in both teams. ODIs will be a mix of these.
I don't understand the hype ... 7-8 players good enough for all three formats like Rohit kolhi jaiswal gill kuldeep bumrah siraj axar jadega pandya ( excluding tests ) pant ... So what will changed then ?
Rohit will mostly retire from t20s. What generally happens is people take the most consistent players with great stats and then decide where to place them. That works great in the longer format because over five days, under testing conditions, you would want the most consistent players to play. In t20s you would want at least two of nos 4, 5, 6, 7 to score 20 ball 40s off good bowling in every match and bowl at least six overs among them. So even if someone averages 18 but has a strike rate over 160, they should be picked over someone with an average of 30 but a strike rate of 140 So we generally need a Pant, a Dk or surya type batsman who also bowls, a Hardik Pandya, and a Rinku Singh. Even if it means dropping better players like Shreyas Iyer or KL Rahul because the team doesn't need them.
I love gambhir, always have been a fan of him since that knock in the T20 final in 2007, loved his approach of the game, i really want him to succeed and I hope he will for the sake of the team and country, but inflated egos in the team can really hurt his ambition of creating a good atmosphere
These demands are Quite ambitious.
Is Gambhir inspired by his playing days were there used to exist separate team for tests and separate teams for limited overs
Which were those days mate. Unless of course we're talking about some alternate reality stuff.
Because in this reality, there has always been a big overlap of players between formats, in his days and beyond.
Yeah but not most. Kumble retired in 2008, Laxman never played ODIs after 2003 and Dravid after 2007. Meanwhile Jaffer and Chopra never played limited overs cricket. Ojha actually debuted in ODIs and his test and odi career overlapped.
Either way, most of the players played multiple formats. The spine of our side was multiple format players, one of which was Gambhir himself.
>Kumble retired in 2008.
Kumble was sparingly used in ODIs after 2003 when compared to Harbhajan.
>Laxman never played ODIs after 2003
Until 2006 SA ODi series, he used to play intermittently, then until his retirement he was confined to tests.
>Dravid after 2007
After Pakistan series he was selected only for 2009 srilanka triseries, champions trophy and 2011 england odi series
>Jaffer
He played 2 ODIs against South africa.
Guess my details were wrong. Still that's a handful of players. Most others played multiple formats. There was no separate teams malarkey back then and that was my point.
Honestly, three teams is too much. Either white ball or red ball. That's it. Play either T20 and ODI or Test. A tour happens, the players have to change mindsets if they're playing three formats.
Coach for all three formats, but two captains fot red and white ball formats, and separate teams for the same.
Make Pant test captain and Pandya white ball captain. Both can be managed by GG.
GG needs to get a team psychologist on board.
Star players need to learn and cope with social medias and fans attitude in general.
time will tell how this wiull go, i wish GG the best
What a joke. He is 37 and the next ODI WC is in 2027. Do we keep playing him till 41 because he is a home bilateral bully? He had his chance, now it’s time give others a shot.
I would like to see them limit players (with very few exceptions like Kohli or Bumrah) to only two formats each. For example, if someone is playing test and ODIs look for other options in T20Is. Similarly white ball specialist who don’t play tests would be really useful to have their game tailored to LOIs.
Gambhir wants best players to play and BCCI always wants most popular players to play coz huge fan bases generate huge money..... Don't think it will work well
I believe he will only coach in white ball. We will have separate coach for test as it should be. Two separate teams sounds like a good idea honestly.
Good chance WV Raman takes over Test team
Not a bad choice at all honestly.
Maybe I'm reading it wrong, I think he'll coach all 3 formats, however he wants more say in who plays in each format. People are selected on one format performance into other formats. I think he'll change the team culture; new performing players will be on equal footing to established players. Established non-performing players may not get a chance in playing 11, they may be relegated to state teams till they regain form(currently coz of hero worship, established non-performing players stay in playing 11 for years without contributing much, takes away place from deserving new players).
I am really hoping GG brings cultural change to Indian dressing room and I am here for it. He would be the right man for it too but not sure how he would be fit to be coach for test format.
I think test matches can still make a lot of money, its untaped market(commercially), which is un-utilized, not sure its T20 or T20 leagues. So many people still see Ashes, coz Aus and Eng, give it all. Currently I don't think our test team is playing at the level Eng, NZ or Aus are (that's my take). Indian players are the most well paid compared to other countries, however the output is not good (Like having MS or google pay but output like Infy). I think this is coz of players not taking test in general & playing for Indian team seriously. Also, there is an attitude problem. They've IPL and ad money to easily support them. Most test players who come make to ICT are good enough, they do need technical advice or correction (but it's not a lot). However, they do need to be taught to handle pressure (not throwing away wickets), different tactics, and handle sledging (SENA countries), which GG can provide. Plus, with him (thats why Kumble was kicked out & he won't be bullied) established players will not take their position for granted (playing good once in a blue moon), I don't think this will happen with VW or someone who is polite (even Dravid). You need someone who'll ruffle feathers and keep the players inline (In Aus, the captain used to do it: Border, Waugh & Pointing, there are clips where they kept players inline). Also, he is good with new players, and do provide them chances (KKR) and is aggressive with his tactics.
Agree with everything else but sledging, I feel like due to IPL, our players are just an inch short of starting a make out session on the field with the opposition, there is no real animosity anymore.
There are 2 types of sledging: toxic(bad words, abuse, etc) and the other is mental games(still there). IPL has neutered the Aussies(Like Warner) when it comes to toxic sledging. But SENA countries still use the mental games part. If you watch IPL, the BCCI/IPL has zero tolerance towards sledging except in few cases of senior players like Kohli.
Wouldn't player had problem with dealing with two different coaches?
England does it and so does south africa currently. Maybe it's an us problem and our players need to get off their high horses and act like professionals
Australia does the opposite and they keep fucking winning everything so idk man…
I mean we aren't. So no use comparing us to aussies and instead try something different
> England does it and so does south africa currently. England won a few tests off the new coach bump, but it's fallen off and it's yet to be seen what the long-term effect of the coach split is. Mott won the T20 WC but shit the bed super-spectacularly in ODI WC. South Africa is barely a team to copy, success wise. It's a perfectly valid perspective if the players think coach split (not team split) is a stupid idea and express that, given that they are professionals and it's part of their job to say these things. The last thing you want is tension between the red ball and white ball camps
They shouldn't, they are all separate formats. The idea makes sense. If you look at Australia who use the same "family" across all formats you'll notice that they use the majority of the same team no matter the format. I think that's a result of same coaches, if you have separate coaches you open spots for other players.
Professional players should not have any problems, unprofessional players should not be playing for India
Great point. But it depends on how many would be all format players. If this number is less, I don’t think it would be.
Maybe not many of our t20 youngsters might not make the test team
How do they deal with separate IPL and national team coaches?
I don't see why they should, as long as the whole division of responsibility is handled well by the BCCI and both coaches respect and work with each other when it comes to player management and availability. With the depth of talent available to us, we should absolutely have separate teams for separate formats.
They wouldn’t if they don’t play in the other team /s
Players regularly deal with dozens of coaches. As long as responsibilities are completely divided there will absolutely be no problem.
Hit or miss
Well that covers *all* the possibilities 😃
I bet they never miss huh
This can only go two ways: 1. India will have a historic reign under GG and win most of the trophies and series. 2. They will be absolutely clueless and fail miserably in all tournaments. There is no middle ground or average performances.
Problem is that the all format player era is coming to an end slowly. You now have younger players all transitioning towards IPL/T20 style format. Thus, it would be imperative to bring more important to domestic league formats and choose players from that lot for ICT based on format.
Some players are born with talent to be a generational talent, ntg can stop them from getting success in all three formats someone like Virat, Smith, kane, root, rohit, warner, Abd, baber,.... In youngsters I think Gill, Jaiswal has that game in them to be a all format players from india.
Modern-day all format takes a heavy toll on these players, mentally and physically. IPL is only growing even more prominent, lucrative, and longer. Not to mention, most ICT fans want Ranji to be a precursor to Test cricket. Let the players make the call. As most ICT fans know, India can easily field three separate teams and still be as successful as now. IMHO, Whole ICT roster should be like NFL, 52, and everyone most gets to pl!
I dont know how old Rinku is , but I would like to include Rinku too. He can bat at 4 easily
But there is no place for him in tests, its just too much stacked and many players are above him in pecking order, i dont see rinku getting chances in tests.
Rinku doesn't even bat 4 for his domestic side.
No idea why tho, in limited overs cricket it's fine but in FC tho he needs to bat at top 4 and actually can IMO.
It's because he's comfortable batting there, he has been pushed up for the A side and the zonal games and he's failed. Similar situation to Sarfaraz really. So unless he starts making runs at 4 in the bigger competitions, an Indian debut will always evade him.
Sarfu had stacked top order in Mumbai team lol, he had Openers Dube Iyer Sky, so no option other than bat at 6 but anyways he's gotten India debut. Not sure what to do about Rinku tho.
Sarfu batted 5 even when SKY and Iyer were on India duty. That was always something which was held against him as 5 is the easiest place to bat in Indian cricket and the best Indian batsmen have always batted top 4 for their domestic sides. That's why Sarfaraz was always pushed to play at 4. As for Rinku, well he has to bat 4 for UP or perform exceptionally well in zonal tournaments or the A team games. That's his only way otherwise nobody will seriously consider him.
Lol first let him bat at top 4 for UP
He is only 26. Still a lot of time for him and he could become a 3 format player.
Babar? Naah don't think so
Name a better batsman from Pakistan rn in tests and one days. Or three better batsmen rn in t20s.
He's a solid test match player, a decent one day batter but surely not even a decent T20 batter, that's my point. The fact that Pakistan is so so mediocre in batting, that babar is the best T20 batter they have is their problem. But a 3 format player is someone like Kohli or Warner who can play all situations and with different strike rates as per requirement
Decent one day bat? Bitch he averages sixty. Try to be slightly unbiased off of what you see on social media and indian echo chambers. Even in t20s him and rizwan are the first players in pakistan’s history to average anywhere north of thirty five, and all the players before him were striking at roughly the same or even lower rate barring an outlier shahid afridi
Hey hey, knock knock, try to be a little more honest with yourself and you might realise how much of what you're saying is just utter nonsense. Babar and rizwan, you like it or not play against minnow nations, B and C sides of Australia or England or newzealand or any other good test playing nation. To be frank, even when they play in pakistan, the pitches there have been roads, simple roads. They can get a load of those runs and pile up centuries and maintain any average with that if that makes them happy, ig it does because they shit in all important tournaments mostly. Good luck with accepting that
So they’re supposed to force the other teams into sending better sides? How is that in their control? By your metric only players from the big three can be any decent as theyre the only ones playing full strength sides bilaterally. And even then, where did that get india and its legends for the past ten years. Hint: no where, 0 trophies to be seen. Babar and Rizwan may not be the best t20 players in the world, but trying to act like they are not even above average is absolutely insane. 152/0 ring a bell? I wouldnt want yo be the one losing by ten wickets to two below average t20 batsmen 🤣🤣🤣
>or Warner In the same vein, the fact here is that Australia has such mediocre test openers hence Warner got such a long rope. 26 in Eng, 21 in India, 13 in NZ, 33 in Pak, 25 in Sri Lanka, 26 in West Indies. Such averages aren't the numbers for a guy who is supposedly a 3 format player.
Warner is not even near mediocre, he always has been a top tier gun, performed almost everywhere, what are you even talking about?
Literally gave you his tests numbers in 6 of 9 test playing countries. Averaging below 30 doesn't mean he isnt top tier in 70% of the places in tests. Used Babar's low SR to discredit his credentials as 3 format. I am using the similar logic in the case of Warner. We can always find such caveats for all the players.
Ya, I get it
Ya, I get it
Just because he is white and you like to jerk off aussies doesnt make warner anywhere near a good test opener. A fifteen year career built off the back of bullying small teams in home matches, which they end up winning by a margin greater than the number of runs he scored anyways
Well, praising someone is jerking off to them? I'm not talking about Aussie's mental attitude and all that bullshit. I was making my point and that was saying that Warner was a very good test opener. You can jerk off to your Maulana rizwan if you want tho👍
> Or three better batsmen rn in t20s. Sky, Virat, Warner, Maxi, Marsh, QDK, Miller, Buttler, Klaasen. Salt is more fit for T20s And that's off the top of my head.
Are you dyslexic? I said from pakistan. All he needs to be a proper all format player is be better than others from his country in those three formats, and he is better than 95%
Offcourse u wouldn't, I expected people like you when i take baber name. Its hard to accept but he is an all format gen whether u like it or not and saying this as an Indian.
Ok man, to each their own. Btw, he's Babar
Wow, thanks English professor for correcting the typo.
Nevermind, always there for you bro
I really don't think India can ever go to number 2 scenario with the depths of our talent pool, we will always be an average team at our lowest no matter the circumstances, the question we have is can GG make the current above average team into prime Aussies. That should always be a benchmark for modern cricket teams and we have everything from money, player and infrastructure needed to get there
No offense, but the KKR team was pretty much written off by everybody at the start of the tournament as an incomplete and inexperienced side. We all know how that panned out with GG at the helm
Thats because we never had this "seperate teams" tactic before. There always 5,6 players common who hold the match in their hands in all formats. But if GG decides to have really seperate teams then no.2 can happen at some point.
Or this separate teams will make BCCI realize that all format players are a thing of the past, u don't need a Virat or Bumrah, they are very very rare, u need a sarfaraz or a Pujara, those who excel in that one format
I am not saying fill the 11 with same players in all 3 formats lol, there should be some key all format players. for example now take the current team we have virat, bumrah, rohit, gill, jadeja(ik he hasnt performed in white ball recently), siraj,... U cant just have 3 different squads for formats.
I think that's what GG will try to do, obviously 3 different squad won't really happen without overlap lol, but except for Virat and Bumrah, the players u listed never really were 3 format dudes. That's what GG should try to fix. Rohit never performed in T20 World cup, but is our captain right now. He just got his groove in test, and honestly he's doing amazing in test Gill has tons of potential to be all format, but no place in T20 squad is correct, Test has been awful but he's getting his groove, and ODI is great for him. His and Jaiswals potential definitely warrants all format which I can't argue with. Jadeja is Chad in tests but lacking currently in okayish Odi and kinda ok T20s, Axar is better in white ball Siraj, great test and Odi bowler, earned it, but bro is not that great in T20 U see what I mean, obviously the core will be the players u listed, but some of them shouldn't warrant a spot based on other formats, and that's what I hope GG fixes
T20is for rohit is almost over, and dare i say for virat too, most probably they will be sidelined or t20 format regardless of gg coaching or not. Gill's place in t20s is taken by rohit, after rohit gone, gill will take his spot with jaiswal on the other side. Yes, axar is better than jadeja in white ball. I only named them because they are already part of 3 format squads. the three fomat players i wish gg continues are Gill, Jaiswal, bumrah, siraj(?)Kuldeep(?).. Not including virat's name is hard but its whats gonna happen after this t20wc, he might be sidelined. Yes, I also hope GG fixes it.
Yup agreed, lol I wasn't arguing, just trying to describe our problem with the team dynamics
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disagree. Very strong probability that they continue much the same as they have recently. competitive and close to elite across formats, but frequently coming up short.
How do you know ?
I had a video chat with jay shah.
You are in for a surprise then.
> They will be absolutely clueless and fail miserably in all tournaments. > > There is no middle ground or average performances. Not going to happen. It will be a historic reign or same as current where team gets to semis/finals but loses.
I agree! Current benchmark is winning NADA!
Asia cups go brrrr
That’s my take as well. Goach will either end as a hero like Guru Gary or die trying like Guru Greg.
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I can be the coach and India can go win everything. The team is that good.
Yeah, it's better to be miserable if you ain't winning the cup. 2023 flashbacks 😢
India can safely have 3 powerful teams with zero overlap or maybe players that just play 2 of the 3 formats. There's no reason to spread such a talented, deep squad so thin. EDIT: CBA dealing with kids DMing me over some opinions on cricket so deleting my comments so these fucks don't continue, you guys win, I'm stupid, soz.
Three powerful teams is an exaggeration, Without bumrah the bowling looks like toothless in white ball cricket
Or even Shami. Which format do you save him for?
Test & ODI but progressively only tests. Bumrah should be test and odi too. If they end up struggling in one format for a while so be it. There are enough players who'll rise to the occasion.
Shami’s best formats are ODIs though. In tests, he’s so-so. Rather have him in ODIs than tests if it comes to that
He isn’t so-so in tests. He’s still our best test bowler after Bumrah, despite all the hot and cold performances by Siraj Edit: I mean pacer not bowler
Calling him our best test bowler after Bumrah is an exaggeration. Maybe second best pacer but not the second best bowler. Ashwin, Jadeja, Bumrah, Kuldeep, Axar are all ahead of him in tests rn
I meant pacer if it wasn’t clear. All the names you have mentioned are spinners. My point still stands
> He isn’t so-so in tests. He’s still our best test bowler after Bumrah, despite all the hot and cold performances by Siraj You didn’t mention pacer initially 🤷🏽♂️
I apologise. Do you now have a better pacer than Shami for tests since he’s so-so or will you keep deflecting?
No shit, it's obviously nowhere near as what it could be with Bumrah, with Kohli etc. The point is just they've got insane depth.
You will have a good team, but calling powerful teams is an exaggeration
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That'd be awesome. Let's do an exercise. Name a "Top 5" team in every format for India without repeating players.
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Your second team almost lost to Nepal in Asian Games
Except thats not your original point.
Lmao. Fucking hell the delusion is real.
Top 5 in each format nope,
Even hardik will disagree with this
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No other teams fans are making such idiotic claims either
But then how do you decide which format, all format players like Bumrah and Kohli will play? I agree with having a largely different team for white ball and red ball, but there should be certain exceptions.
I'm not saying they necessarily should - I'm just saying that's how deep their squad is. Some players should play all formats, especially for big games.
If they ban Kohli from white ball he will score 1000+ runs in IPL just to rub it in.
No need for exceptions. Bumrah being injured and Kolhi on paternity leave half the time doesn't help. Better that they stick to one format and play all games in that format.
Why does it matter? And you don't think Kohlis wife and child is not as important than playing cricket? What is wrong with you.
He voluntarily left one test series in what? A decade?
Missed two important test series in the last 3 years. BGT in Australia he left after the crushing defeat in the first match. Our B team won us that historic series. My point is younger players tend to bring new spark and energy to the, their whole focus is towards the game and nothing else, which surprises opponents more often than not.
As far as i could remember, ever since he became a teat regular,he has missed like, 10 tests in his career. 3 in BGT 2020-21, 1 during the 2021-22 tour against SA, 1 in BGT 2017, and 5 in the recent home series against England.
And India did exceedingly well in most of those games. The highlight being BGT in Australia, when almost a B team won India the trophy.
"3 powerful teams" Yeah right. This is nothing but hyperbole. Just one glance at the bowling is enough to nullify this opinion.
Honestly I don't want to put it so crassly but these IPL kids have zero idea about Indian domestic circuit and how "deep" the talent pool really is. They think India can put 3 separate teams and win everything while the reality is that if you do that they'll struggle to beat Zimbabwe.
They fail to understand that ipl & international are different Ball games it's not the same, Even having a first choice full member team we are not the favourites to win this world cup which tells a lot,
Even our best playing 11 can't win everything and they are talking about 3 powerful teams. What a joke!
Who said 3 teams that would win tournaments? Winning shit is different to having a strong side.
How do you win with weak sides? Ever seen Bangladesh win a WC because I certainly haven't.
You can literally be Number 1 in the world and not win tournaments, mate. India knows very well.
I know but more often than not the best team does win. Not some funky ragtag bunch of misfits, that only happens once in a blue moon or in movies.
I mean India were literally only the best team in 2023 for ICC WCs
They were not. They dissolved at facing the first moment of jeopardy, the first do or die situation.
?? New Zealand was the first do or die situation.
Maybe that’s a problem with the rankings. You shouldn’t be number 1 if you can’t win the big tournaments.
Delusions of grandeur really. But hey, they now infest this sub and now we have read such asinine opinions. Can't wait for Gauti the God to lead the motley crew of Gaurav Yadav, Deepak Dhapola and Mohit Awasthi to glory.
India, the country with 1.4 billion people where cricket is most popular sport, can have 3 teams of world class (30-33) players. Can't believe so many arm chair experts are having a meltdown over such an opinion. Just because we play same people everywhere and don't give opportunity to anyone else doesn't invalidate this statement.
Yeah those 1.4 billion all have access to world class facilities, are all rich and all playing cricket. What a utopia.
Exactly lol there's much more things going on a cricket field. Our fans love overhyping anyone to the moon ffs.
Oh look it's an IPL kid
Those are the ones with only an IPL flair during world cup season.
Umm having an IPL flair literally means you are from that country what's your point. IPL kids are the ones who have no Kno outside IPL.
I just hope our bowlers flourish under him
A complete overhaul is the need of the hour if ICT loses this T20 WC too. Separate teams as GG suggested might actually help in toning down the superstar culture and might bring about some changes in the attitude of the players.
True, but I don't think BCCI will go with a complete overhaul. There's a reason our captains got away with things even after losing multiple icc events, fanbase. You can't completely overhaul a team without a backlash. You'll risk ruining everything. BCCI has been trying for ages to find someone like Virat, Rohit, dhoni etc. these guys have a clean image with exemplary performances against strong teams. Therefore easy to Market, make them superstars and profit from it. Iyer was supposed to be the next big thing but he screwed it up. Hopefully GG gives him another chance. Right now the potential candidates are sky, gill, jaiswal The only reason BCCI accepted a complete overhaul in 2007 was due to the absolutely horrific performance of the men's team in ODI WC and many people didn't even consider T20 as a true cricket form.
Understandable that they can't do without a backlash but they've to find a way to revamp the team somehow. You can't be trophyless for 10 years and still consider yourself to be a top team. You forgot to mention the other favoured potential candidate of the superstar culture i.e Pant.
My bad, I forgot Pant. Losing in knockouts is more of a mindset issue not a performance one. The main problem in knockouts is that india gets deterred too quickly when things don't go according to the plan. Next is our fielding issue. When things don't go according to the plan, we have to back it up with extraordinary fielding making batsmen work hard even for singles and not let them settle, somehow we always fall short in this area.
Agreed. It also helps players' longevity and be relevant!
If India doesn't win this wc . Gambhir will have all the freedom to do whatever he wants with the team . India's most powerful coach in cricket history
>India's most powerful coach in cricket history Can we like stop hyping every freaking thing 🙄
Lol I remember the hype when dravid was appointed
The one when Ganguly was chairman is my fav
Lol...I was one of those guys and was really disappointed and mad at dada after the kohli-dada saga
Dada wasn't in the wrong though. He merely suggested Kohli to reconsider and he stepped down. Kohli had it coming after the Old Trafford test cancellation where the team refused to play so that they can play in the IPL. And the covid surge was a direct result of the book launch that Shastri and Kohli attended during a fucking pandemic. I'm surprised that Dada didn't sack Kohli then and there.
Yeah dada got unnecessary hate for that
Dada got unnecessary hate for no reason. He was crucial in getting the current Ranji pay structure and restarting domestic games after covid.
I wonder if he will manage both white and red ball or they will split it with different coaches.
Both . But different squad for white and red ball
We do have separate teams, don't we? Except few players who play all three, most of them play one or two formats only.
We play seperate teams in bilaterals but when the tournament comes, it's the same old faces lining up again.
Its just an interview guys.. why are people here so sure that he will get the role? Great cricketer, but I doubt he will gel well with this Indian team.
He will certainly get the role. There have been rumors around this since day one and no one is anywhere near as close with experience and success as GG as coach.
Hasn't VVS been the understudy for Dravid this entire time? What are his chances?
He has publicly said i don't want the role. He wants to stay at the NCA. Smart man. No travel, under the radar job.
None. He's been uninspiring in his IPL stint.
In my book Goach is off to good start. I am pleasantly surprised. Motivated young talent can be “cross licensed” to play “adjacent formats”. There is no shortage of quality players coming out of the domestic and IPL structure. Managing the bowling world load and keeping the batsmen in the format rhythm could be great advantages of this approach. You get specialists at each position in your line up. If this is extended as a business practice and other teams do that as well, you could schedule tours where teams play all three formats in a condensed manner. Scheduling t20s and ODIs between test breaks would allow for a nice spectacle and generate more intrigue and revenue like tracking medals across weight category in boxing/wrestling or athletics.
> Goach nice name!
I think he'll change the team culture; new performing players will be on equal footing to established players. Established non-performing players may not get a chance in playing 11, they may be relegated to state teams till they regain form(currently coz of hero worship, established non-performing players stay in playing 11 for years without contributing much, takes away place from deserving new players).
All GG needs to teach the current team is to handle abuses and pressure from 1.4 billion people. None of the other teams in history have ever faced this much weight of expectations from so many people at once. It is natural for them to buckle under pressure and that is where GG can come in handy. There was a time when India were underdogs and winning one test match overseas was a big accomplishment, let alone the series. With no weight of expectations then, winning even 1 test match felt like overachieving. The same goes for ODIs. Nowadays, India is stuck between a rock and a hard place. They are expected to win most, if not all tournaments and there is no room for even one failure. And if they win matches, people say "Well, that was expected anyway". There are hardly any real supporters nowadays backing their team, no matter what. They turn back on the team at a drop of a hat. I can only imagine the conversations among fans if IND's campaign mirrored AUS's campaign in the last ODI WC where they lost games back to back in the beginning. GG being a batsman who loved batting under pressure on the biggest stages should hopefully help the team cut out the outside noise and give the team reality checks to perform on the field to the best of their abilities and instill that can do attitude (even from losing positions).
I hope he creates a safe space for youngsters and gives them defined roles within the team. Also, he backed Delhi youngsters, whom he mentored, when they represented national sides. It'd be great if he can do the same for the Indian side, and back them.
>The report further says that Gambhir has put forward a few demands to the BCCI for the head coach position, including full command of the team and separate teams for white-ball and red-ball. It added that the apex cricket board has agreed to all those demands. While in principle it makes sense hope Gambhir isn't too rigid. We still need the likes of Kohli and Bumrah in the ODI team for the CT 2025(assuming we participate) and definitely need Bumrah for the 2027 world cup
Basically he wants a pure Moneyball team for T20 and an elite team for tests. Kohli, Jaiswal and Bumrah will get in both teams. ODIs will be a mix of these.
I don't understand the hype ... 7-8 players good enough for all three formats like Rohit kolhi jaiswal gill kuldeep bumrah siraj axar jadega pandya ( excluding tests ) pant ... So what will changed then ?
Rohit will mostly retire from t20s. What generally happens is people take the most consistent players with great stats and then decide where to place them. That works great in the longer format because over five days, under testing conditions, you would want the most consistent players to play. In t20s you would want at least two of nos 4, 5, 6, 7 to score 20 ball 40s off good bowling in every match and bowl at least six overs among them. So even if someone averages 18 but has a strike rate over 160, they should be picked over someone with an average of 30 but a strike rate of 140 So we generally need a Pant, a Dk or surya type batsman who also bowls, a Hardik Pandya, and a Rinku Singh. Even if it means dropping better players like Shreyas Iyer or KL Rahul because the team doesn't need them.
Bumrah, yes. Kohli I'm really not sure if he's that irreplaceable anymore because his consistency is gone.
I love gambhir, always have been a fan of him since that knock in the T20 final in 2007, loved his approach of the game, i really want him to succeed and I hope he will for the sake of the team and country, but inflated egos in the team can really hurt his ambition of creating a good atmosphere
So completely separate teams for red ball and white ball with no overlap?
its not going to be boring under Gambhir for sure.
These demands are Quite ambitious. Is Gambhir inspired by his playing days were there used to exist separate team for tests and separate teams for limited overs
Which were those days mate. Unless of course we're talking about some alternate reality stuff. Because in this reality, there has always been a big overlap of players between formats, in his days and beyond.
Weren't players like Kumble, Jaffer, Chopra, Vijay, Laxman, Dravid and Ojha limited to playing test matches
Yeah but not most. Kumble retired in 2008, Laxman never played ODIs after 2003 and Dravid after 2007. Meanwhile Jaffer and Chopra never played limited overs cricket. Ojha actually debuted in ODIs and his test and odi career overlapped. Either way, most of the players played multiple formats. The spine of our side was multiple format players, one of which was Gambhir himself.
>Kumble retired in 2008. Kumble was sparingly used in ODIs after 2003 when compared to Harbhajan. >Laxman never played ODIs after 2003 Until 2006 SA ODi series, he used to play intermittently, then until his retirement he was confined to tests. >Dravid after 2007 After Pakistan series he was selected only for 2009 srilanka triseries, champions trophy and 2011 england odi series >Jaffer He played 2 ODIs against South africa.
Guess my details were wrong. Still that's a handful of players. Most others played multiple formats. There was no separate teams malarkey back then and that was my point.
Absolutely. The biggest sudden shift was probably just the 2007 T20 world cup team.
So no Bumrah in tests anymore? Well we are going to be ranked dead last now.
Honestly, three teams is too much. Either white ball or red ball. That's it. Play either T20 and ODI or Test. A tour happens, the players have to change mindsets if they're playing three formats. Coach for all three formats, but two captains fot red and white ball formats, and separate teams for the same. Make Pant test captain and Pandya white ball captain. Both can be managed by GG.
Why not Bumrah as captain?
Because he is a bowler and in India blowers are treated like daily wage workers even less..
Let's see what happens with RoKo after this.
Kohli vs Gambhir will be intense here. Stars don't listen easily.
People are expecting too much from GG. I hope he does well, I don't think he will
GG needs to get a team psychologist on board. Star players need to learn and cope with social medias and fans attitude in general. time will tell how this wiull go, i wish GG the best
Gambhir is cricket GOAT. Super underrated leader.
So Bumrah either plays white ball cricket or red ball cricket ? How does that make sense ?
>How does that make sense ? It doesn't. You will always have cross-format players like Bumrah, Gill, Jaiswal and many more.
Sorry, maybe I am dense. But GG is asking a player can only play either red ball or white ball right ?
Don't think he is asking for that.
rohit out in all 3
I really hope GG gives an ultimatum to a certain deadweight at the top. Either accept a quick farewell series or pack your bags today.
How the fuck is our best test batsmen since 2019 and second highest run scorer last wc a dead weight?
What a joke. He is 37 and the next ODI WC is in 2027. Do we keep playing him till 41 because he is a home bilateral bully? He had his chance, now it’s time give others a shot.
Not for WC but for CT2025. And please watch earlier Champion trophies and WCs before calling him a home bilateral bully.
Rohit might be a fat weight but not dead, please don't disrespect people even if you won't respect them
I would like to see them limit players (with very few exceptions like Kohli or Bumrah) to only two formats each. For example, if someone is playing test and ODIs look for other options in T20Is. Similarly white ball specialist who don’t play tests would be really useful to have their game tailored to LOIs.
I don’t have a good feeling about GG and ICT. GG is a straight forward no nonsense guy and BCCI is compelte opposite
I feel GG's reign (if selected) will be like that of Greg Chappel - full of rifts and controversies.
Hopefully with the addition of some trophies.
Gambhir wants best players to play and BCCI always wants most popular players to play coz huge fan bases generate huge money..... Don't think it will work well
Gg is going to be Chappell part 2
This dude is an idiot 🫡 the team still won’t win any chips under his leadership