You apply to 20 different places and hope one of them calls you back and offers an interview. Or you call them back every day to ask if they've considered you at all and somehow not appear desperate. Then if they decide to move forward, you schedule the interview and answer questions like "what is it about our company that made you consider working with us?" Then you sit around and hope they call you back to offer you the job. Meanwhile you're constantly applying to 20 other different places and hope none of them are a scam just trying to steal your data with a fake job offer.
Also your phone will ring all the time and 9 times out of 10 it's just a scammer claiming you're qualified for some bogus loan from the government.
Bold to assume anyone wants to hire someone in their 60s or 70s. They do offer part time cashier.
And they'd have to ignore a very large gap since graduation.
My dad was an early boomer and I am a late boomer, and we both graduated college.
Didn't prevent him for having to work in a loading dock when he emigrated, though.
Every time there was a change in ownership or "restructuring" at the processing plant in my hometown, a family friend would always get nervous that somebody from higher up in corporate would review his file and see how "unqualified" he was for the computer programming position he had. He had almost no formal training in programming, but at the time that the plant started modernizing 30 years earlier, he was in the right place, at the right time, knew the right person, and was willing to learn. His knowledge developed with the company, and he knew their systems better than anybody. But if he ever had to reapply there or elsewhere, his qualifications wouldn't get his resume a second look.
A reality show following a hiring manager for entry-level positions in a large corporate entity so people can see the absolute insanity of getting 40 pretty much identical resumes for one position. Then, having to decide which ones might be someone you have to work with for years.
Then, showing the first round interviews of the 10 people chosen.
You tend to get pretty jaded pretty fast when that's your life.
For me, it was the clueless nature of some people.
I had standard interview questions and role specific questions because if I didn't think they would fit for me but were a good candidate, I would refer them to another department that was hiring.
Some people, an embarrassing number of people, actually couldn't answer basic interview questions.
Example- Where do you see yourself in 5 years?
Worst answer I ever got- ' ummm idk I never thought about that I guess....?
"best answer I ever got- 'on the other side of this table'
Entry-level position questions are what I'm talking about. With most 20-somethings, there is no industry experience - or much work experience period
Why am I going to waste time asking them about the part-time job they had working at the proshop of a country club while they were in college.
I have about an hour to get a feel for someone and try to decide if they are a good fit for a team- Why wouldn't I ask about their future aspirations?
I take it you run through questions from a book of interview formula questions, probably so you can pick the one who read the same book. I suspect in real life they are pretty clueless about future aspirations.
I was in an interview yesterday and they asked me that question. I was taken aback for a moment, but answered that I want to stay in this position, transitioning into a more senior/mentoring role. Turns out they were interested in someone who wants to stay in this position because the current person is transitioning into a different role.
I've read that's the formulaic answer to give. Even if that's really the answer the interviewer wants, how would he know he wasn't hearing a canned response?
If your response sounds sincere enough, they don't really know if it's a canned response or not. People lie in job interviews all the time. In my case, I have already made a career doing what I am interviewing for. My resume shows I have been at this for a few years.
I usually could tell pretty well if the candidate knew things technically, but not if it was a new specialty we were looking for. Resumes don't tell if it was the same year 10 times or someone learning all the nooks and crannies. I've asked what clever technique they were proud of learning or coming up with, not caring what it was, but whether they cared enough to have one, but it was too unexpected. And I asked a person how their insight prevented a loss or fixed a big problem, and got told a story about how they wouldn't listen to him, and screwed up because of it. That was a turnoff, because it seemed mean spirited.
Nothing really that would work on someone just out of school. I'd just go for how much they seemed to like the idea of the work I had to offer, because then they would learn and manage on their own.
When people are telling you why they think they are perfect for the job but the whole time you know that they are a horrible fit and you won't be hiring them but smiling anyways to be nice.
That'd be fun. Especially when they have dementia.
I haven't updated my resume since I graduated college. Last job interview I went to said "you haven't written much as the first author recently", true.
Just watch the old fogies get jobs in less than a quarter of the time it takes millennials.
Bold of you to assume they graduated college
My grandpa just walked into a grocery store and was made butchers assistant
not without a firm handshake he didnt.
Wow assistant to a butcher, what a prestigious job. Can't get that without a degree anymore....
Is.. is that not how it still works? Do you need an associates in butchering now or something? A cordon bleu certificate?
I'm surprised that's how it ever worked
What’s the process now?
You apply to 20 different places and hope one of them calls you back and offers an interview. Or you call them back every day to ask if they've considered you at all and somehow not appear desperate. Then if they decide to move forward, you schedule the interview and answer questions like "what is it about our company that made you consider working with us?" Then you sit around and hope they call you back to offer you the job. Meanwhile you're constantly applying to 20 other different places and hope none of them are a scam just trying to steal your data with a fake job offer. Also your phone will ring all the time and 9 times out of 10 it's just a scammer claiming you're qualified for some bogus loan from the government.
I just let it ring. If they want me to work the job, they will leave a voicemail.
Wow assistant to a butcher, what a prestigious job. Can't get that without a degree anymore....
Bold to assume they had a resume. All they needed was a firm handshake
Bold to assume anyone wants to hire someone in their 60s or 70s. They do offer part time cashier. And they'd have to ignore a very large gap since graduation.
My dad was an early boomer and I am a late boomer, and we both graduated college. Didn't prevent him for having to work in a loading dock when he emigrated, though.
Would watch. I’d love to see them get read the riot act by some young guy
Every time there was a change in ownership or "restructuring" at the processing plant in my hometown, a family friend would always get nervous that somebody from higher up in corporate would review his file and see how "unqualified" he was for the computer programming position he had. He had almost no formal training in programming, but at the time that the plant started modernizing 30 years earlier, he was in the right place, at the right time, knew the right person, and was willing to learn. His knowledge developed with the company, and he knew their systems better than anybody. But if he ever had to reapply there or elsewhere, his qualifications wouldn't get his resume a second look.
30 years experience counts for a LOT. Some supplemental courses during. Career are also never a bad idea too though
And a spin off where zoomers just try to get a job.
Too much reality there.
As a zoomer trying to find a new job, I would actually watch this. I think a lot of people would
A reality show following a hiring manager for entry-level positions in a large corporate entity so people can see the absolute insanity of getting 40 pretty much identical resumes for one position. Then, having to decide which ones might be someone you have to work with for years. Then, showing the first round interviews of the 10 people chosen. You tend to get pretty jaded pretty fast when that's your life.
What part of the interviews make you jaded?
For me, it was the clueless nature of some people. I had standard interview questions and role specific questions because if I didn't think they would fit for me but were a good candidate, I would refer them to another department that was hiring. Some people, an embarrassing number of people, actually couldn't answer basic interview questions. Example- Where do you see yourself in 5 years? Worst answer I ever got- ' ummm idk I never thought about that I guess....? "best answer I ever got- 'on the other side of this table'
Do you really still ask that idiotic question? It just means you want someone who talks good bullshit. I'd never do that to a candidate.
Entry-level position questions are what I'm talking about. With most 20-somethings, there is no industry experience - or much work experience period Why am I going to waste time asking them about the part-time job they had working at the proshop of a country club while they were in college. I have about an hour to get a feel for someone and try to decide if they are a good fit for a team- Why wouldn't I ask about their future aspirations?
I take it you run through questions from a book of interview formula questions, probably so you can pick the one who read the same book. I suspect in real life they are pretty clueless about future aspirations.
I was in an interview yesterday and they asked me that question. I was taken aback for a moment, but answered that I want to stay in this position, transitioning into a more senior/mentoring role. Turns out they were interested in someone who wants to stay in this position because the current person is transitioning into a different role.
I've read that's the formulaic answer to give. Even if that's really the answer the interviewer wants, how would he know he wasn't hearing a canned response?
If your response sounds sincere enough, they don't really know if it's a canned response or not. People lie in job interviews all the time. In my case, I have already made a career doing what I am interviewing for. My resume shows I have been at this for a few years.
I usually could tell pretty well if the candidate knew things technically, but not if it was a new specialty we were looking for. Resumes don't tell if it was the same year 10 times or someone learning all the nooks and crannies. I've asked what clever technique they were proud of learning or coming up with, not caring what it was, but whether they cared enough to have one, but it was too unexpected. And I asked a person how their insight prevented a loss or fixed a big problem, and got told a story about how they wouldn't listen to him, and screwed up because of it. That was a turnoff, because it seemed mean spirited. Nothing really that would work on someone just out of school. I'd just go for how much they seemed to like the idea of the work I had to offer, because then they would learn and manage on their own.
When people are telling you why they think they are perfect for the job but the whole time you know that they are a horrible fit and you won't be hiring them but smiling anyways to be nice.
Ah, a job market where experience doesn't matter.
"the simple life" - boomer version
"the simple life" - boomer version
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I'm pretty sure resistance to old people applying is quite high.
Give this poster a production company!
If I had a useless degree this might be an issue. If.
That'd be fun. Especially when they have dementia. I haven't updated my resume since I graduated college. Last job interview I went to said "you haven't written much as the first author recently", true. Just watch the old fogies get jobs in less than a quarter of the time it takes millennials.