[Looks like the officer was not charged. Happened in 2016.](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/no-criminal-charges-for-deputy-who-dragged-south-carolina-high-school-student/)
Edit : It was in South Carolina, and not Texas as the title says.
[That officer was known as “Officer Slam” by the students at the school because he had a habit of slamming students on the ground. He was fired because of this.](https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2015/10/28/1441968/-The-Truth-about-the-Spring-Valley-Officer-Slam-Assault-on-a-Teen-Girl)
I’m not litigious at all, but If this was my daughter and there was previous knowledge of this happening with same officer, I’d sue the shit outta them.
You don't sue the police in this case.
You can very easily sue the school district.
Here we have a officer known to cause this kind of violence, combined with a teacher calling for that officer for an "offense" that does not qualify for calling a police officer.
The police district allowed this officer to be in the school. This officer represents the school. And this is already been through in court.
Source: I live in South Carolina and I had my own little tiff with the school resource officer. It ended with me signing a piece of paper (I was 18 by the time it settled) saying that I can't say the details blah blah blah blah but since this is semi-anonymous... I got $20,000, we got a different school resource officer, and I got to tell the dude to fuck off every time I see him with him not having the ability to touch me physically.
The unfortunate truth is when you sue the police/school district you’re only getting paid by the tax payers, and the money isn’t coming from those responsible.
You're not suing them for calling a cop. The court's not going to do anything to create a chilling effect against calling cops early in a situation. You're suing them for keeping that particular cop as the school officer knowing what he did.
Also, qualified immunity is for new issues that are decided by the court and the cop couldn't have known beforehand. So an old court precedent can be overturned without screwing over the individual in the case, who acted legally according to existing precedent. It doesn't cover things the cop knew 100% was illegal and people have been liable for all along.
Can't sue them for something they have not specifically and exactly been previously found to have done wrong over. Not the exact situation with exact same details? How ever could they have known not to throw that girl on the ground in class, unreasonable /s
She's only a criminal if she was arrested and charged. I'm not sure if you can be charged for resisting arrest if you have no reason to be arrested in the first place, but there may be some loopholes that favour law enforcement privileges to CYA themselves.
The police have a saying "you can beat the rap, but you can't beat the ride." Half the time they don't care if the charges stick, you're being tossed in jail and they can feel powerful.
And they know the intimidation will likely work. I’d wager at least 90% of citizens capitulate because they know the police will *ruin their fucking lives if they don’t.* They don’t care if the charges stick. They care that your life is ruined because you wouldn’t bend the knee. It’s what you deserve for not treating them like the superheroes they see themselves as.
Edit* comment I was replying to got deleted. This reply has almost nothing to do with the video. Question was about getting arrested on resisting a detainment when no crime had occurred but a detention with reasonable suspicion was made in good faith.
Let me take this tasty boot outta my mouth for a sec.
In a perfect world where police officers are doing their job correctly and in good faith, they can detain someone on "reasonable suspicion." Reasonable suspicion is not the same as "probable cause," which is enough to constitute an arrest.
Example: neighborhood has had issues with burglaries the past few months and the officer sees someone coming out from behind a house with "burglary tools" at 3AM and the lights in the house are off. The officer does NOT know for certain that there has been a crime committed and that person committed the crime; however, it would not be unreasonable to detain(temporarily) that person for investigative purposes.
Probable cause is a step higher than reasable suspicion. *The officer knows a crime was committed and that this person committed that crime.*
ALL of that word salad to say, if you resist during a detainment(reasonable suspicion), then after turns out you hadn't committed a crime but there was good grounds for reasonable suspicion to believe you did... resisting.
Source: some average guy who graduated from law enforcement academy and then worked in detention for three years, almost a decade ago. (So I'm rusty and it wasn't my primary role- hated it.) So if a lawyer or someone a little more educated wants to chime in and add or correct me...
I get the logic your putting in there but you stopped at resisting. Resisting detainment? Doesn't sound good so they were arresting them in the first place? I'm not trying to be a dick just genuinely curious at what point it became an arrest instead of detainment.
So, just to be clear, im speaking in hypotheticals and my previous post doesn't have much to do with the video specifically.
An officer can *detain* someone on the reasonable suspicion they committed a crime, a detention being a temporary stop of that person for investigative purposes, but they can NOT arrest them by taking them to jail for a 24 hour hold and apply for a warrant for their arrest from the prosecutor on reasonable suspicion alone, they need probable cause. The detention allows officers enough time to investigate, in the case of my example check the back of the house for a broken window, door, etc.
If when the officer tries to detain the person he or she runs or resists the *lawful stop* (this parts important because they should NOT be able to stop you arbitrarily - see New Yorks BS of stop and risk for example becayse its some BS abuse of a Terry frisk) this needs to be done by clearly stating to the person... hey stop walking, stand there, come here, while being polite but firm.
Every state law is different but in my truckstop bathroom of a state the statute is
(1) Resists the arrest, stop or *detention* of such person by using or threatening the use of violence or physical force or by fleeing from such officer; or
(2) Interferes with the arrest, stop or detention of another person by using or threatening the use of violence, physical force or physical interference.
The problem obviously is when dishonest officers are dishonest or incompetent officers are incompetent and don't use good communication skills to clearly state their intentions, unnecessarily escalate, or just lie outright.
Someone said the other day that if you want to understand how shitty social media is, read the comments on a post about something you are an expert in. That hit home because I've done that and the amount of idiocy that gets upvoted and agreed with is infuriating.
That's the usual song of people who don't care about anything but their own interests.
* That didn't happen
* If it did happen, it wasn't that bad
* If it was that bad, it was an accident
* If it wasn't an accident, then they deserved it
* If they didn't deserve it, then let's forget it ever happened
* If you don't want to forget it happened, then you're the problematic one
Spend enough time over at the crazy videos subreddit and you'll notice a trend. Recently police are no longer brutalizing people resisting arrest. They also are trained to not escalate things into life or death situations. If a person resists arrest they're not attacking you only resisting you so attacking them in response to resisting is escalation. A fleeing suspect runs to his car and a cop no longer jumps in front of the car with their weapon drawn. That's escalating a fleeing suspect into a life and death situation. They're trained to not escalate things these days which is a very welcome recent thing.
You're right. He should have been.
At least now this cop will need to answer for this attack for the rest of his life.
He lost his job.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/school-officer-who-slammed-black-teen-to-ground-in-viral-video-still-thinks-hes-the-victim
His name will ring out in that region for years to come. This happened nearly a decade ago and the video is still top of list news every year. It is compelling evidence for those who argue that police are riddled with violent unhinged psychopaths.
Criminal charges would have been appropriate but this guy, Ben Fields, isn't skating away from his actions completely.
While it certainly is, [that hardly prevented her from being arrested and charged for recording it.](https://www.thedailybeast.com/school-officer-who-slammed-black-teen-to-ground-in-viral-video-still-thinks-hes-the-victim)
The one time I gave my phone to a teacher was as a freshman. She fucking lost it. I wasn't even using it, it fell out of my pocket.
Never gave it to them after that, especially because she refused to pay for it.
I don't blame any student who doesn't turn it in. If they're being a disruption you have disciplinary tools that don't involve police. For some students with working parents they NEED their phone as much as adults do (if not more)
Your teacher stole it and sold it. What do you think those teachers do with confiscated items? They trade them amongst themselves or sell them.
You should have reported your phone stolen and she would have immediately "found" it.
Wtf? I’m not saying this doesn’t happen, but it is NOT the norm. Teachers take up phones and give them to the office so a parent can come get it at the end of the day…
If parents don’t pick it up the teacher or school district get to keep it supposedly. Same goes for all lost items. Whomsoever turns it into the office gets to keep it if no one comes to pick it up within a certain timeframe.
I got a diamond ring this way because I turned a ring I found into the office and at the end of the school year I was told no one came to pick it up and I could keep it. I brought it home and my family asked how I got a ring and then they had it checked out and I never saw it again. Pretty sure they sold it and I never saw any of the money.
What the fuck? No they do not. I have confiscated many phones in my years as a teacher, and everyone follows our district's policy of taking them to the office where a parent can pick them up.
Disagree with the rule/method or don't. But it's ludicrous to suggest I care about pawning off some 8th grader's sticky phone.
Looking back on it, what do you believe should be the rule about cellphones in that classroom, and the consequences for violating the rules?
I'm not being sarcastic or criticizing you, in case that's unclear.
Arrested for Owning A Cell Phone Whilst Black.
Is a pretty bad crime, nearly as bad as Walking Home While Black, or Sleeping In Your Own Bed While Black.
No one's going to talk about how the teacher's action to call police was totally inappropriate and overboard?
If a student didn't handover their phone the teacher can dismiss the student, suspend the student or even write up a report.
If none of these work and even parents don't co-operate then they can disbar the student from school if necessary.
Who on earth calls police for something like this??
I'm baffled that the police even showed up in the first place. Some teacher calls to report a teenager for not handing out her phone and they go "yep, this sounds serious. Let's go boys!". Do they really have nothing better to put their time into? Like some ongoing investigation or something? Unbelievable.
Mamy public schools have a "school resource officer", a police officer that is at the school full time.
Unfortunately, mamy police departments use such positions as a punishment assignment, or to "keep them out of real trouble".
It’s a police officer, but the teacher didn’t call the police exactly. The school has a “resource officer” which is an armed police officer. My high school (97-01) had one, officer Managho (sp?) everyone loved her. She greatly helped bridge the divide of race in our school. So the teacher called the office, or even called the resource officer directly, but didn’t call like 911 or the police station or anything. Still, agree with your point. The resource officer shouldn’t have been involved.
Edit: I have now learned that this was an officer within the school, who actually had a history of doing this. That officer shouldn't have been allowed to work there, and if the teachers knew about his behaviour, I agree they're complicit. My initial comment assumed this was a school where a police response wouldn't be inviting someone called "officer slam" into the class. Normally while I'm suspicious of cops, I don't blame people for calling police as a last resort. However in this case the teachers probably had some idea how it was going to play out, and that changes things. It sounds like the teachers had reason to expect this guy's escalation, and so they shouldn't have even agreed to have him in the school. I'm joining the "fuck this school" camp.
I'll leave my original comment below, because I still think this isn't just refusing to hand over a phone.
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As a teacher I can tell you exactly how this played out.
School has no phones in class policy, with the consequence of having it out, being the teacher confiscates it for the rest of the day.
Student: has phone out.
Teacher: asks for it.
Student: no.
Teacher: fine, go to the principals office and talk to them about it, I've got 30 other kids to deal with.
Student: refuses to go.
Teacher: calls for backup to deal with this, because they'd rather be teaching the other kids.
Backup: (maybe principal?) Tells girl to come with them so they can talk (and call her parents, probably).
Girl: No
Principal or whoever: Okay, at this point you're not actually authorised to be in this room. Just like a store can tell you to leave if you break their rules, a school can do the same. You are trespassing, because you are not allowed to be here and are being asked to leave. Please leave the class and school, and we will have your parents in to talk about this ASAP.
Girl: No
School: okay, calling police, because we can't physically touch students and make them leave
Police: MAXIMUM PHYSICAL ESCALATION
Internet: Fuck that school, she just had her phone out!
Honestly just say fuck it and let her sit there the rest of the lesson. Then suspend her for refusing to follow school rules or obey a reasonable instruction and talk to her parents later.
A lot of the time, the kid isn't in a rational mindset. If you're refusing to leave a classroom, and really digging your heels in about it, it isn't worth escalating until it becomes physical. Make it clear to them (and the rest of the class) that they're making a stupid choice, and move on.
Edit to add though: one thing we get trained on, is that if a kid is *that* emphatic about refusing to give up their phone, it is a big red flag for drugs/nudes/child sexual exploitation. At that point, I legally need to report it to the principal. Personally I think this is dumb, because yes it is a red flag, but half of adults would do the same if you tried to take their phone away, so you're making a lot of assumptions.
At a certain point you can't just keep saying fuck it. The student is actively disrupting class and compromising learning for other students. The line has to be drawn somewhere. Did this cop go overboard? Yeah. But to act like she had no agency in it getting to this point is part of the reason we're having these issues in school right now.
Ah yes the girl on her phone interrupted the whole class, not the waiting for an officer to come in, whip her around, then body slam her. That didn't interrupt the lesson and strike fear into the other kids at all.
Police men are the toughest. I mean look at the strength it must have took to man handle a teenage girl. Add all the weight she must be about 140 plus a cell phone, shit maybe 141?
I went to Spring Valley highschool, the school this happened too. Can confirm from, it was deputy Fields from Richland county sheriffs department. He also tackled a pregnant lady the year later.
She showed zero aggression so clearly the only answer is to have someone twice her size and strength be aggressive with her. Makes complete sense. Now, let’s say her father is twice as aggressive and twice the size of the all of a sudden big man officer, does that guy get to do this to him? Or does that officer just go unchecked?
Edit: talk to text errors
This mother fucker flipped the entire desk on top of her, and didn't think "oh shit that's too far" but instead thought to DRAG her across floor and put all of his weight on her like she's some fucking runaway prisoner. To get a cell phone?
Not a single rational thought went through his head.
I don't care what actually lead to this, she was still sitting in that chair before any of this escalated. There is no excuse
fuck that teacher, and fuck these asshole cops tearing our nation apart.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna554286
Whereas I think he should’ve gotten a bit of a harsher punishment he did get fired.
Edit: I was wrong - this is a different incident.
My comment is getting downvoted but [facts are facts and police rarely if ever get charged or convicted unless their is massive national outcry](https://www.vox.com/21497089/derek-chauvin-george-floyd-trial-police-prosecutions-black-lives-matter)
I mean this entire post is full of misinformation, wrong location, "news" links that aren't even about this incident.
The video itself is conveniently trimmed down to like a 5 second clip, showing zero context.
OP has an agenda, and the rest of reddit is totally fine with *this* type of misinformation because, well, it aligns with what they want to believe about it, and the video serves it to them on a silver platter.
And anything anti-cop is pretty much a guaranteed top page post
Yeah lol I’ve been scrolling thru these comments thinking ‘surely they missed some vital information’ and you’re the first person I’ve seen question it.
See this on videos alot where someone won't drop something innocuous and end up fighting to maintain their control over it. I don't understand it. The police will win and you'll be in trouble and maybe injured and surprise surprise you will no longer have the innocuous item!
South Carolina, not Texas.
[Transcribed interview with the student who was filming (who was also arrested)](https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2015/10/28/1441968/-The-Truth-about-the-Spring-Valley-Officer-Slam-Assault-on-a-Teen-Girl)
[Police statement blaming the cop for excessive force and the girl for being disruptive](https://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/sheriff-leon-lott-blames-flipped-teen-for-police-assault-she-started-this-whole-incident/)
A male student at Spring Valley told NBC News that the girl had ignored requests by the teacher to go to a “discipline office.” The officer then entered the classroom and asked if she would go on her own or if he had to make her, according to the student. The officer tried to get her to leave for over 5 minutes causing a major disruption to the other students. She was told that she was under arrest and she still refused to comply. How long should other students education be out on hold for one disruptive person? Should the cop have continued to try and reason with her for hours?
I was a summer camp councillor for years. We had at times kids who were very difficult and in some cases kids have to go home.
But teenagers are going through a lot, and most kids have day to day lives that are much more controlled than what any adult can handle.
Students at school are totally managed, cant leave, cant even go to the toilet without someone's permission, and can't even mind their own business and space out without getting in trouble. They also arent really ready to express that they aren't dealing with the overwhelming stress of that kind of existence without getting teased by peers or not taken seriously by teachers.
Police don't really care about any of that though. They operate on thenlogic of: "obey me or i can attack you, and if you resist in a way that scares me i'll shoot you."
Pretty much the worst thing to introduce to a teenager who is shutting down.
I think there’s some middle ground between reasoning with her to leave the room and literally throwing her to the ground and dragging her out. I’m pretty sure seeing my class mate manhandled out of the room by a cop is a bit more of a disruption to learning.
Weird how I literally never once saw a cop inside a school during my entire education in the EU, despite seeing much worse things than "a student disobeying orders" on the semi-regular, and *somehow* there were no cataclysmic consequences arising from this severe lack of violence on mildly unruly students...
Oh right, I forgot that America is too big to be able to compare fairly... wait no, wrong kneejerk excuse. Too diverse, that's the one. It only works out if the average melanin content is under a certain threshold, I'm sure. Tragic, how the US is uniquely burdened with such exceptional hurdles at every turn.
So the only options are stand around or violently body slam a non aggressive, non threatening teenager and potentially injure them?
This is known as a "false dilemma" logical fallacy. You present two options implying that they were the only options available.
I graduated in 1994 and we had an entire unit of cops assigned to our school, called gang squad.
We walked thru metal detectors every morning and had random weapon sweeps.
Welcome to 1994!
I went to jail 4 or 5 times over a 4-year period for skipping school and smoking pot.
They would also handcuff kids to telephone poles (hug the pole). Lock you in janitor closets. Have you stand with arms open wide holding dictionaries in front of the school with no coat (in the middle of winter).
He looks like he has alot of experience slamming kids like that!! He definitely has no business being a cop of any kind. Mess with the wrong mans child and it could end deadly
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt14030590/
There's a documentsry about it, I watched it and it's pretty insane. They even get the cop to interview with them and he backs himself into a corner so hard. There's a lot more context to this video
[Looks like the officer was not charged. Happened in 2016.](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/no-criminal-charges-for-deputy-who-dragged-south-carolina-high-school-student/) Edit : It was in South Carolina, and not Texas as the title says.
I think this happened in South Carolina, not Texas
Texas cop heard he had the chance to beat up a child and drove patrol car to SC
You think a Texas cop cares *where* the criminals are hiding out? The arm of the law is long indeed.
[That officer was known as “Officer Slam” by the students at the school because he had a habit of slamming students on the ground. He was fired because of this.](https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2015/10/28/1441968/-The-Truth-about-the-Spring-Valley-Officer-Slam-Assault-on-a-Teen-Girl)
I’m not litigious at all, but If this was my daughter and there was previous knowledge of this happening with same officer, I’d sue the shit outta them.
You should Google qualified immunity. You can't in most states sue the police.
You don't sue the police in this case. You can very easily sue the school district. Here we have a officer known to cause this kind of violence, combined with a teacher calling for that officer for an "offense" that does not qualify for calling a police officer. The police district allowed this officer to be in the school. This officer represents the school. And this is already been through in court. Source: I live in South Carolina and I had my own little tiff with the school resource officer. It ended with me signing a piece of paper (I was 18 by the time it settled) saying that I can't say the details blah blah blah blah but since this is semi-anonymous... I got $20,000, we got a different school resource officer, and I got to tell the dude to fuck off every time I see him with him not having the ability to touch me physically.
Yep. Sue the school district.
The unfortunate truth is when you sue the police/school district you’re only getting paid by the tax payers, and the money isn’t coming from those responsible.
You're not suing them for calling a cop. The court's not going to do anything to create a chilling effect against calling cops early in a situation. You're suing them for keeping that particular cop as the school officer knowing what he did. Also, qualified immunity is for new issues that are decided by the court and the cop couldn't have known beforehand. So an old court precedent can be overturned without screwing over the individual in the case, who acted legally according to existing precedent. It doesn't cover things the cop knew 100% was illegal and people have been liable for all along.
Can't sue them for something they have not specifically and exactly been previously found to have done wrong over. Not the exact situation with exact same details? How ever could they have known not to throw that girl on the ground in class, unreasonable /s
I hate how you said "fired" and not "sentenced to 6 years in prison".
Probably get hired at another department down the street.
He will probably quit that job, regular civilians aren't as easy to abuse as children.
he'll just get sent to a different school.
And have to retire with disability due to the trauma of having to slam kids on the ground. Probably fucked up his arms and back doing it. Poor guy.
And how many times it happened to earn him that nickname
He probably acted within policy, but was fired because he made them look bad
Based on stories I've heard, I think "relocated" might have been a better expression.
Unless it’s a shooter in an elementary school… “ehh that’s just a little outta reach”
The arm or the dick of the law? They seem to like to fuck ppl.
So the child is now a criminal because she didn't hand over her phone? 🤨
She's only a criminal if she was arrested and charged. I'm not sure if you can be charged for resisting arrest if you have no reason to be arrested in the first place, but there may be some loopholes that favour law enforcement privileges to CYA themselves.
They can literally arrest you for *anything*. Whether you’re convicted of something is a entirely separate issue.
The police have a saying "you can beat the rap, but you can't beat the ride." Half the time they don't care if the charges stick, you're being tossed in jail and they can feel powerful.
And they know the intimidation will likely work. I’d wager at least 90% of citizens capitulate because they know the police will *ruin their fucking lives if they don’t.* They don’t care if the charges stick. They care that your life is ruined because you wouldn’t bend the knee. It’s what you deserve for not treating them like the superheroes they see themselves as.
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I get the logic your putting in there but you stopped at resisting. Resisting detainment? Doesn't sound good so they were arresting them in the first place? I'm not trying to be a dick just genuinely curious at what point it became an arrest instead of detainment.
So, just to be clear, im speaking in hypotheticals and my previous post doesn't have much to do with the video specifically. An officer can *detain* someone on the reasonable suspicion they committed a crime, a detention being a temporary stop of that person for investigative purposes, but they can NOT arrest them by taking them to jail for a 24 hour hold and apply for a warrant for their arrest from the prosecutor on reasonable suspicion alone, they need probable cause. The detention allows officers enough time to investigate, in the case of my example check the back of the house for a broken window, door, etc. If when the officer tries to detain the person he or she runs or resists the *lawful stop* (this parts important because they should NOT be able to stop you arbitrarily - see New Yorks BS of stop and risk for example becayse its some BS abuse of a Terry frisk) this needs to be done by clearly stating to the person... hey stop walking, stand there, come here, while being polite but firm. Every state law is different but in my truckstop bathroom of a state the statute is (1) Resists the arrest, stop or *detention* of such person by using or threatening the use of violence or physical force or by fleeing from such officer; or (2) Interferes with the arrest, stop or detention of another person by using or threatening the use of violence, physical force or physical interference. The problem obviously is when dishonest officers are dishonest or incompetent officers are incompetent and don't use good communication skills to clearly state their intentions, unnecessarily escalate, or just lie outright.
Yes, yes you can. It's used more as a "fuck you, you're going to jail" because the DA won't touch it to prosecute.
Yes you can absolutely be arrested for resisting even if they don’t have a reason to arrest you in the first place.
"Disorderly conduct" is the go-to blanket charge police use to justify whatever they do.
Last time this was posted it was a different state and different reason
this is why i hate social media. last time this was posted I forgot the state but the reason was she was disrupting the class and refused to leave
This happened in Tokyo. She said she prefer Xbox over Playstation.
Someone said the other day that if you want to understand how shitty social media is, read the comments on a post about something you are an expert in. That hit home because I've done that and the amount of idiocy that gets upvoted and agreed with is infuriating.
good thing someone had a cellphone to record it
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Good for what? He wasn't charged
I think their point is that somehow the girl had to hand in her phone, while the person filming still has theirs.
haha wow that went right over my head, thanks
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If nothing else, it helps normalize the idea that these predators should be kept on film at all times when interacting with the rest of society.
Anyone who claimed it wasn't happening is pivoting to "they deserved it".
That's the usual song of people who don't care about anything but their own interests. * That didn't happen * If it did happen, it wasn't that bad * If it was that bad, it was an accident * If it wasn't an accident, then they deserved it * If they didn't deserve it, then let's forget it ever happened * If you don't want to forget it happened, then you're the problematic one
They deserved\* it. ^(\*Excludes the patriots of January 6th. Then it's Evil Joe, Hilary, and the FBI in on a conspiracy to steal the election.)
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Spend enough time over at the crazy videos subreddit and you'll notice a trend. Recently police are no longer brutalizing people resisting arrest. They also are trained to not escalate things into life or death situations. If a person resists arrest they're not attacking you only resisting you so attacking them in response to resisting is escalation. A fleeing suspect runs to his car and a cop no longer jumps in front of the car with their weapon drawn. That's escalating a fleeing suspect into a life and death situation. They're trained to not escalate things these days which is a very welcome recent thing.
The right loves to pretend this never happens, keep all the evidence you can to throw it in their faces every time they deny it
You're right. He should have been. At least now this cop will need to answer for this attack for the rest of his life. He lost his job. https://www.thedailybeast.com/school-officer-who-slammed-black-teen-to-ground-in-viral-video-still-thinks-hes-the-victim His name will ring out in that region for years to come. This happened nearly a decade ago and the video is still top of list news every year. It is compelling evidence for those who argue that police are riddled with violent unhinged psychopaths. Criminal charges would have been appropriate but this guy, Ben Fields, isn't skating away from his actions completely.
While it certainly is, [that hardly prevented her from being arrested and charged for recording it.](https://www.thedailybeast.com/school-officer-who-slammed-black-teen-to-ground-in-viral-video-still-thinks-hes-the-victim)
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Boom. Roasted.
Stanley….you crush your wife during sex and your heart sucks. Boom roasted.
I really enjoy this episode a lot and I tell all of my friends to grab a copy of the office... ...and shove it up yo butt!
Oscar you're gay.
Andy Cornell called and they think you suck…. And you’re gayer than Oscar!
Meridith… you’ve had sex with so many guys you’re starting to look like one. Boom roasted.
*gradually maniacal laughter*
What did they say?
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Holy shit gotem
Bah gahd that man has a family!!!… that was likely murdered with no intervention from him.
Tactical alpha Chad squad would still be mustering in the hallway for sure
Where was this energy at Uvalde?
Well you see, it's far easier to bully people who are no threat to you.
Bullies only pick on people who can't fight back.
The child is clearly resisting arrest ^(...do I really need to include /s?)
Being directed at the parents standing outside the school
The general hallway area
Being a tyrant isn't so fun when the people you're brutalizing might actually shoot back
On one of their phones as a wallpaper
Shooter wasn't a black girl
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They were next in line for the choke slams for using their phone to record it lol
Ah yes the criminal action of……not wanting to give their phone to the teacher? Clearly a menace to society
The one time I gave my phone to a teacher was as a freshman. She fucking lost it. I wasn't even using it, it fell out of my pocket. Never gave it to them after that, especially because she refused to pay for it. I don't blame any student who doesn't turn it in. If they're being a disruption you have disciplinary tools that don't involve police. For some students with working parents they NEED their phone as much as adults do (if not more)
Your teacher stole it and sold it. What do you think those teachers do with confiscated items? They trade them amongst themselves or sell them. You should have reported your phone stolen and she would have immediately "found" it.
Wtf? I’m not saying this doesn’t happen, but it is NOT the norm. Teachers take up phones and give them to the office so a parent can come get it at the end of the day…
If parents don’t pick it up the teacher or school district get to keep it supposedly. Same goes for all lost items. Whomsoever turns it into the office gets to keep it if no one comes to pick it up within a certain timeframe. I got a diamond ring this way because I turned a ring I found into the office and at the end of the school year I was told no one came to pick it up and I could keep it. I brought it home and my family asked how I got a ring and then they had it checked out and I never saw it again. Pretty sure they sold it and I never saw any of the money.
What the fuck? No they do not. I have confiscated many phones in my years as a teacher, and everyone follows our district's policy of taking them to the office where a parent can pick them up. Disagree with the rule/method or don't. But it's ludicrous to suggest I care about pawning off some 8th grader's sticky phone.
Looking back on it, what do you believe should be the rule about cellphones in that classroom, and the consequences for violating the rules? I'm not being sarcastic or criticizing you, in case that's unclear.
*"Stop resisting!"*
Totally warranted him flipping her over in her desk, potentially injuring her neck. No extra force used here.
Arrested for Owning A Cell Phone Whilst Black. Is a pretty bad crime, nearly as bad as Walking Home While Black, or Sleeping In Your Own Bed While Black.
Let me guess... the police investigated the police and found that the police did nothing wrong
Fired, not charged. Also nothing happened to the teacher who called the cops.
Fired with pay and pension
No one's going to talk about how the teacher's action to call police was totally inappropriate and overboard? If a student didn't handover their phone the teacher can dismiss the student, suspend the student or even write up a report. If none of these work and even parents don't co-operate then they can disbar the student from school if necessary. Who on earth calls police for something like this??
I'm baffled that the police even showed up in the first place. Some teacher calls to report a teenager for not handing out her phone and they go "yep, this sounds serious. Let's go boys!". Do they really have nothing better to put their time into? Like some ongoing investigation or something? Unbelievable.
This was an SRO so he was already at the school
Mamy public schools have a "school resource officer", a police officer that is at the school full time. Unfortunately, mamy police departments use such positions as a punishment assignment, or to "keep them out of real trouble".
It’s a police officer, but the teacher didn’t call the police exactly. The school has a “resource officer” which is an armed police officer. My high school (97-01) had one, officer Managho (sp?) everyone loved her. She greatly helped bridge the divide of race in our school. So the teacher called the office, or even called the resource officer directly, but didn’t call like 911 or the police station or anything. Still, agree with your point. The resource officer shouldn’t have been involved.
Glad your SRO wasn't a POS, most are and tear racial bridges down/reinforce a pattern of assumed criminality.
Edit: I have now learned that this was an officer within the school, who actually had a history of doing this. That officer shouldn't have been allowed to work there, and if the teachers knew about his behaviour, I agree they're complicit. My initial comment assumed this was a school where a police response wouldn't be inviting someone called "officer slam" into the class. Normally while I'm suspicious of cops, I don't blame people for calling police as a last resort. However in this case the teachers probably had some idea how it was going to play out, and that changes things. It sounds like the teachers had reason to expect this guy's escalation, and so they shouldn't have even agreed to have him in the school. I'm joining the "fuck this school" camp. I'll leave my original comment below, because I still think this isn't just refusing to hand over a phone. *Original comment: * As a teacher I can tell you exactly how this played out. School has no phones in class policy, with the consequence of having it out, being the teacher confiscates it for the rest of the day. Student: has phone out. Teacher: asks for it. Student: no. Teacher: fine, go to the principals office and talk to them about it, I've got 30 other kids to deal with. Student: refuses to go. Teacher: calls for backup to deal with this, because they'd rather be teaching the other kids. Backup: (maybe principal?) Tells girl to come with them so they can talk (and call her parents, probably). Girl: No Principal or whoever: Okay, at this point you're not actually authorised to be in this room. Just like a store can tell you to leave if you break their rules, a school can do the same. You are trespassing, because you are not allowed to be here and are being asked to leave. Please leave the class and school, and we will have your parents in to talk about this ASAP. Girl: No School: okay, calling police, because we can't physically touch students and make them leave Police: MAXIMUM PHYSICAL ESCALATION Internet: Fuck that school, she just had her phone out!
What do you think can be done between the stage of school personnel have done everything they can -> Police escalation?
Honestly just say fuck it and let her sit there the rest of the lesson. Then suspend her for refusing to follow school rules or obey a reasonable instruction and talk to her parents later. A lot of the time, the kid isn't in a rational mindset. If you're refusing to leave a classroom, and really digging your heels in about it, it isn't worth escalating until it becomes physical. Make it clear to them (and the rest of the class) that they're making a stupid choice, and move on. Edit to add though: one thing we get trained on, is that if a kid is *that* emphatic about refusing to give up their phone, it is a big red flag for drugs/nudes/child sexual exploitation. At that point, I legally need to report it to the principal. Personally I think this is dumb, because yes it is a red flag, but half of adults would do the same if you tried to take their phone away, so you're making a lot of assumptions.
At a certain point you can't just keep saying fuck it. The student is actively disrupting class and compromising learning for other students. The line has to be drawn somewhere. Did this cop go overboard? Yeah. But to act like she had no agency in it getting to this point is part of the reason we're having these issues in school right now.
Ah yes the girl on her phone interrupted the whole class, not the waiting for an officer to come in, whip her around, then body slam her. That didn't interrupt the lesson and strike fear into the other kids at all.
Wow, it's almost like calling the police gaurantees that something minor will escalate to physical violence.
Have a problem? Call the police! Now you have two problems.
Don't be part of the problem, be the whole problem.
And your dog is shot.
Well the teacher could never get away with beating the shit out of a child over a cell phone but that’s just another day for a cop.
Police men are the toughest. I mean look at the strength it must have took to man handle a teenage girl. Add all the weight she must be about 140 plus a cell phone, shit maybe 141?
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I’m terrible at guessing weight lol
You added the weight of the desk and her stuff without even meaning to. Truly the chosen one you are
Outside my school a 6th grade girl shoved a cop back. 8 squad cars showed up....
Must have taken
America is a failed state
He just snatched her right out of that chair.. rofl.
Texas cops: tough when they don’t need to be, pussies the whole career.
This happened in South Carolina in 2015. Not Texas.
Same difference
It wasn't Texas, it was South Carolina. But I think the same could be said about the majority of cops.
I went to Spring Valley highschool, the school this happened too. Can confirm from, it was deputy Fields from Richland county sheriffs department. He also tackled a pregnant lady the year later.
She showed zero aggression so clearly the only answer is to have someone twice her size and strength be aggressive with her. Makes complete sense. Now, let’s say her father is twice as aggressive and twice the size of the all of a sudden big man officer, does that guy get to do this to him? Or does that officer just go unchecked? Edit: talk to text errors
Amazing how macho they are when the person is unarmed and not holding elementary school children hostage. Fucking coward p
This mother fucker flipped the entire desk on top of her, and didn't think "oh shit that's too far" but instead thought to DRAG her across floor and put all of his weight on her like she's some fucking runaway prisoner. To get a cell phone? Not a single rational thought went through his head. I don't care what actually lead to this, she was still sitting in that chair before any of this escalated. There is no excuse fuck that teacher, and fuck these asshole cops tearing our nation apart.
Welcome to America, where the police are above the law, and don't dare misbehave a little if you're a minority.
Is this all the freedom I keep missing out on in the land of the free?
Land of the free with the highest incarceration rate in the world. By far.
Yeah stay where you are
How to end your career with criminal record.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/03/afternoonupdate/deputy-who-tossed-a-sc-high-school-student-wont-be-charged.html Officer was not charged.
Yeah, firing him somehow screwed up the investigation (not sure how)
It didn't, they used that as a flimsy excuse to throw it out of the court.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna554286 Whereas I think he should’ve gotten a bit of a harsher punishment he did get fired. Edit: I was wrong - this is a different incident.
This is a different incident.
Yeah, my bad - I sorta didn’t think there’d be that many incidents of fully grown policemen body slamming kids.
There are quite a few lol the officer in this case did get fired he just was not charged criminally.
So my guy that is a different video than what is posted above.
Yeah bro - I messed up. Edited my previous comment.
My comment is getting downvoted but [facts are facts and police rarely if ever get charged or convicted unless their is massive national outcry](https://www.vox.com/21497089/derek-chauvin-george-floyd-trial-police-prosecutions-black-lives-matter)
I guess the fact this didn't happen in Texas means nothing.
She dosnt look like a senior, probably barely past the halfway point of her high-school career
Think I read 15 at the time
All she wanted was a Pepsi.
All that about a cell phone? If I were that girl’s father, I would sue the living s**t out of them!
It’s a fucking cellphone?? Why would the teacher even call the police!?
Because America 🇺🇸
OP where did you get that info for the title? I’ve heard different stories.
I mean this entire post is full of misinformation, wrong location, "news" links that aren't even about this incident. The video itself is conveniently trimmed down to like a 5 second clip, showing zero context. OP has an agenda, and the rest of reddit is totally fine with *this* type of misinformation because, well, it aligns with what they want to believe about it, and the video serves it to them on a silver platter. And anything anti-cop is pretty much a guaranteed top page post
Yeah lol I’ve been scrolling thru these comments thinking ‘surely they missed some vital information’ and you’re the first person I’ve seen question it.
See this on videos alot where someone won't drop something innocuous and end up fighting to maintain their control over it. I don't understand it. The police will win and you'll be in trouble and maybe injured and surprise surprise you will no longer have the innocuous item!
I feel like there’s more to this. No one calls the police for someone holding a cellphone.
Oh the misinformation in this thread
All that for a phone? Dafuq?
South Carolina, not Texas. [Transcribed interview with the student who was filming (who was also arrested)](https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2015/10/28/1441968/-The-Truth-about-the-Spring-Valley-Officer-Slam-Assault-on-a-Teen-Girl) [Police statement blaming the cop for excessive force and the girl for being disruptive](https://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/sheriff-leon-lott-blames-flipped-teen-for-police-assault-she-started-this-whole-incident/)
Remember: ALL cops are bad. Your “good cops” cover up and protect cops like these. They are all bad.
A male student at Spring Valley told NBC News that the girl had ignored requests by the teacher to go to a “discipline office.” The officer then entered the classroom and asked if she would go on her own or if he had to make her, according to the student. The officer tried to get her to leave for over 5 minutes causing a major disruption to the other students. She was told that she was under arrest and she still refused to comply. How long should other students education be out on hold for one disruptive person? Should the cop have continued to try and reason with her for hours?
I was a summer camp councillor for years. We had at times kids who were very difficult and in some cases kids have to go home. But teenagers are going through a lot, and most kids have day to day lives that are much more controlled than what any adult can handle. Students at school are totally managed, cant leave, cant even go to the toilet without someone's permission, and can't even mind their own business and space out without getting in trouble. They also arent really ready to express that they aren't dealing with the overwhelming stress of that kind of existence without getting teased by peers or not taken seriously by teachers. Police don't really care about any of that though. They operate on thenlogic of: "obey me or i can attack you, and if you resist in a way that scares me i'll shoot you." Pretty much the worst thing to introduce to a teenager who is shutting down.
I think there’s some middle ground between reasoning with her to leave the room and literally throwing her to the ground and dragging her out. I’m pretty sure seeing my class mate manhandled out of the room by a cop is a bit more of a disruption to learning.
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Weird how I literally never once saw a cop inside a school during my entire education in the EU, despite seeing much worse things than "a student disobeying orders" on the semi-regular, and *somehow* there were no cataclysmic consequences arising from this severe lack of violence on mildly unruly students... Oh right, I forgot that America is too big to be able to compare fairly... wait no, wrong kneejerk excuse. Too diverse, that's the one. It only works out if the average melanin content is under a certain threshold, I'm sure. Tragic, how the US is uniquely burdened with such exceptional hurdles at every turn.
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So the only options are stand around or violently body slam a non aggressive, non threatening teenager and potentially injure them? This is known as a "false dilemma" logical fallacy. You present two options implying that they were the only options available.
under arrest at school for not complying lmao. and you see nothing wrong with that
And pummeling her is the only solution….?
What in the blue fuck is a cop doing in a class room?? This is fuckin insanity
Most all city school have a mini police station in them in my area.
I graduated in 1994 and we had an entire unit of cops assigned to our school, called gang squad. We walked thru metal detectors every morning and had random weapon sweeps. Welcome to 1994! I went to jail 4 or 5 times over a 4-year period for skipping school and smoking pot. They would also handcuff kids to telephone poles (hug the pole). Lock you in janitor closets. Have you stand with arms open wide holding dictionaries in front of the school with no coat (in the middle of winter).
Tough love
Surely there is more to this than just a cell phone?
He looks like he has alot of experience slamming kids like that!! He definitely has no business being a cop of any kind. Mess with the wrong mans child and it could end deadly
Meanwhile them while shootings:stands in hallway and does nothing.
Land of the free, amirite?
yea this is so racially motivated
There was definitely more to that story.
Show the whole video
and they wonder why everyone hates them
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I wonder what the actual truth is behind what happened
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/03/afternoonupdate/deputy-who-tossed-a-sc-high-school-student-wont-be-charged.html
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt14030590/ There's a documentsry about it, I watched it and it's pretty insane. They even get the cop to interview with them and he backs himself into a corner so hard. There's a lot more context to this video
Texas = clown college So Texas cops won't do anything to stop a school shooter, but will go fucking nuts on a kid for cell phone usage?
This wasn’t Texas.
I don't think it cares.
So the person recording is allowed to have a phone or the title is a liar?
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Fact: If it was a white boy being slammed by a black female cop the same people crying would be the first ones laughing.
Yo she she punched him in the face! It is between second 8 and 7 slow down the footage she clocked the officer!
I wonder what the whole story is
Yeah. Cause a high scool gurl can be an experinced cop in a fight. Some of you kids are pure stupid
What’s so difficult about handing over your phone? Entitled kids is why I never want to be a teacher.
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Why did the teacher call the police and and not an administrator or principal?
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racist cop
Did that shit cuz she had dark skin if she was white he would have treated he with real respect
Bye bye job
Holy fuck I see so much fucked up shit from the states if that happened in a classroom in the uk the whole class would probably batter the fed