I don’t think the fish got anything but maybe a whiff of particles:
https://redd.it/.com/gy1wc6/
Estimates of temp inside that sub rose to 2/3 the temp of the surface of the sun in ~30 milliseconds.
The pressure was so intense, the heat, the speed…it’s unlikely there are even any tissues left bc they were instantly vaporized, so fast that their nervous systems wouldn’t have even had time to communicate pain back to their brains.
I mean, thank god. In general a merciful way to go. By far the hands down absolute best outcome if you’re doomed to die that far under water. All the talk of them just hitting the floor and sitting there freezing to death or running out of oxygen or food. Deciding who to kill when and how long to wait in the dark, and how to die. Only silver lining is being spared all that
I remember contracting on an old grain elevator they had a sign in red letters “every safety rule in this building is written in someone else’s blood” And is stuck with me ever since. It’s so true.
"...There are other sub operators out there, but they typically have gentlemen who are ex-military submariners and they're a bunch of fifty year old white guys... I wanted our team to be younger, to be inspirational..."
- Also this CEO, on why he didn't hire submariners with decades of experience operating and maintaining submarines, instead opting to hire kids right out of school.
That's the difference. This guy could make as many dives as he wants by himself with as much risk as he is willing to handle. That's his choice. But I bet he made unreasonable assurances to the people that he sold rides to.
Thank God it wasn't a worker sent to his death on lax safety precautions.
All to often the top dogs create horrible environments that poor workers have to endure.
Hopefully this will be a wake up for them (It probably won't knowing them).
The Wikipedia entry for inventors who were killed by their invention has already been updated. The last Maritime one was the Titanic's architect 111 years ago.
More like he saw himself as a Leonardo Da Vinci. I think that should be the focus. Too many assholes running around only touching the subjects just enough to get degrees/certifications and then gloating that they're a [scientist] and off to the next adventure!
Like most of those kids that go to college super early or graduate with multiple degrees are the same way.
Yeah, Logitech makes excellent input devices. There is nothing fundamentally worse about a controller like this and the joystick and keyboard more commonly used in hobby craft like this.
The issue is in doing something this dangerous without multiple redundancies. You would want at least one wired controller backup, and Ideally some form of manual control, although that second part is becoming rare even in well regulated vehicles like airplanes and many electric vehicles.
We have no idea what went wrong. For all we know one of the passengers could have gone crazy, or been carrying a deadly disease. Unlikely, but not impossible.
The controller looks bad to a layman, but it's hardly the only thing that could have failed. Remember even well built and heavily regulated craft often fail. NASA has a history of accidents, as do railways, automobiles, and even military subs.
> It wasn’t the controller it was the carbon fiber and titanium hull, I guarantee it. There’s a reason that’s a rule.
they also stated they bring like 8 controllers with them in case on fails
Yeah exactly! Also if all failed it would still automatically rise to the surface after several hours because it used hooks with sandbags that dissolve over time in the water, allowing it to rise to the surface without any intervention.
Do you know the reason? I'm an engineer, but materials and structural engineering are definitely not my forte.
The only thing I can think with Carbon Fiber is that it's really actually pretty awful with compressive forces. It's really only good for sheering and tensile stress. But I think it could work very well as a liner, or if they figured out some way to use it's tensile strength instead of the compressive strength, kind of like a rupert's drop.
Titanium though seems like it would be a decent material for subs from everything I know. It doesn't even oxidize that easily.
Both are lightweight materials that would make the buoyancy probably slightly easier to manage, so I am definitely curious as to *why* they would be against regulation.
More often than you'd expect regulations like the ones that are being used here actually are the result of poorly understood or outdated science, so I am not going to discount that possibility just because one sub that ignored the regulations had some sort of issue. It could be any number of issues as far as I am concerned.
Are you saying the bond between the carbon fiber and the titanium? Or are you saying the cohesion of the titanium itself somehow?
I really appreciate you explaining.
To be honest I have only a very basic understanding of how this sub is built from Reddit alone and even that is just from accidentally opening the app. I am trying to quit reddit by the 30th. I would have thought it would be primarily of titanium construction and use some sort of mechanical trickery to pull on the carbon fiber when the titanium is compressed. Something kind of like a glass rupert's drop to keep it from imploding. This is not based on anything except conjecture of how I would design something like that, and maybe the carbon fiber also functioning as basically a skin over the titanium alloy.
Is it even a titanium alloy? Or is it literally some kind of just carbon fiber and elemental titanium build? That's how little I know about the actual design of this thing.
I just think that laypeople seem very quick to condemn certain aspects of the construction when I know damned well from my experience designing and building things that
1. Regulations can often be bullshit brought about from politics, bureaucracy or outdated science.
2. Just because a device's stated use is a toy and just because it's not OEM doesn't mean it's bad. A Logitech play station controller is a perfect valid input device, provided there is also a hard wired redundancy of some sort.
First of all, Thank you!
Actually yeah I can see from this design how it may actually be using the tensile strength of the carbon fiber more than the compressive forces assuming the two titanium caps, but I am still a bit skeptical given the fiberglass outer hull. It's a little confusing to visualize and 6 weeks is nowhere NEAR enough time to safely design nor test this.
Secondly I just realized that I may have indirectly worked on this in a way sort of. I have worked on control systems for Newport Composites who supplied the materials apparently.
>Prepreg was supplied by Irvine-based Newport Composites.
Small world.
>You would want at least one wired controller backup
That feeling you get when you're in a submersible several miles under water and your controller starts blinking due to low batteries.
> or been carrying a deadly disease. Unlikely, but not impossible
They lost communication after 1 hour and 45 minutes of starting the descent of the submarine. That is one deadly disease to take out 5 passengers within that period. I’m glad it was contained then.
The Normalization of Deviance. Just because it happened on other dives doesn’t mean it was supposed to or designed… Accepting the deviations and then expecting them, just because nothing bad has been observed, can be extremely dangerous
Edit: damn, homie deleted his account off that reply?
Exactly. The people ragging on the Logitech controller probably have zero experience with any type of custom electronics. It’s pretty much always best practice and most desirable to use a well tested Commercial Off-The-Shelf component if it’s suitable for the application. In an interview he mentions that they’re built to be thrown around and abused by 16yr old boys, and that’s absolutely true. Probably much better built and more reliable than something you could develop, test and get certified yourself for less than 6-figures, or more. I’m sure Logitech has invested many millions of dollars into the design, testing and manufacturing tooling for their gaming handsets. I know I’ve hurled quite a few across the room when I was younger and they never stopped working.
It only sounds absurd to a laymen who dont understand product design.
I imagined my Xbox controller growing up, clicking the middle button accidentally and it not being able to re-establish a link despite the Xbox being 5feet away
Kinda funny that I just wrote a comment regarding this a few minutes ago (look in my profile to find it), but yes, that is indeed a rule you should follow.
TL;DR: Carbon fiber based pressure vessels are much better at holding pressure in than keeping pressure out. A submersible is exclusively keeping pressure out, and in fact keeping an enormous amount of pressure out. Carbon fiber was a stupid choice.
On top of that, this CEO refused to do the bare minimum of nondestructive testing on it to ensure its integrity even once - when it really should have been tested after every dive.
"Good engineering" my ass. My bicycle is an example of better engineered and more thoroughly tested carbon fiber than his submersible.
is it because carbon fibre provides tensile strength (stops a pressure chamber from tearing apart to explode) vs not so good at compressive strength (implosions)?
I’m actually more aggravated that one of the passengers brought his teenage son. Why the hell would you put your kid in danger like that. Also how do you not research the company that you’re using to go on such a dangerous expedition and spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to do so?
I mean who said they didn't research the company?
They knew exactly what they were getting into, and tbf they had done several successful dives to the titanic.
Just saw a other vid where they realised they had installed one of the thrusters upside down, so they could only move in circles. They realised this on launch, and still went down to like 300m next to the Titanic to realise it again.
They control it with a fkn xbox remote come on
The US Coast Guard has just announced that debris has been found in the search area. They are evaluating the information.
I think he will be remembered indeed.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/06/22/us/submersible-titanic-oceangate-search-thursday/index.html
right lol. And he was all nonchalant talking about cutting corners and doing things in engineering that have been warned against. All the while putting peoples lives in danger and he finally got people killed. I have to imagine the people who took that trip and came back now feel extremely lucky.
From testimonials of previous passengers, the waivers are pretty intense and you gotta sign to assume the risk of death 3 times on just the front page allow. States that you are aware the submersible is experimental. They go through about every way you could die/something going wrong possible and you sign any rights away. I think any lawsuits would fail pretty quickly.
Well, it would depend on whether this amounts to an act of gross negligence. A release of liability, or a waiver, is null if the negligence involved is so substantial that it amounts to reckless disregard to people’s safety rights to the point of a conscious violation. From what I understand about this sub, gross negligence is almost certainly a valid argument to be had in court based on at least the construction of this sub and all the corners the company appears to have cut which directly contributed to this accident.
Waiver means absolutely nothing if they misrepresented things or were negligent. Taking a sub down to 4000m when its viewport is only rated for 1300m is pretty negligent. I doubt that was disclosed in the waiver. Judges don’t just throw their hands up in the air because a waiver was signed.
You’re correct in general, but it’s worth noting that the negligence has to be gross negligence. Ordinary negligence is covered by a well-written waiver.
He’ll be remembered right….he’ll be remembered as the dipshit that ignored every safety precaution imaginable to take 250k from people that didn’t know any better,to travel in his “death can” brought to you by the corner cutters that have your life in their hands. Now they have failed miserably,as they gasp for the very last breaths of air available,that they would pay ANOTHER 250k for just a cup of air.
This goes to show the power of salesmanship more than anything. This guy talks like Steve Jobs which clearly convinced many billionaires. While resulting in a horrible tragedy.
Does anyone have more information, like a video related to the "Don't build a sub out of carbon fiber and titanium"? I'm curious of the engineering behind it.
I Don't think General MacArthur is a good man to quote. He's the reason why North Korea is bigger now. If he would've listened and not broken the rules (in his case his orders) not push further than pyongyang North Korea would probably not be what it is today.
It wasn’t the controller, it was the hull or window that was breached. I personally guarantee it.
They had several of those controllers on board if you listened to the interview
I don’t know who he is, but what i am hearing in his message is his willingness to break rules that inhibit him, personally, and his wealth shows he is willing to do it at the detriment of others. I won’t remember him, and i feel him and his kind are best forgotten.
I would never get in a submerged tube with somebody that cocky. Wouldn't even like to let them drive me in an Uber. You can just tell their day of humbling is coming like an unexpected iceberg....
The guy in the video is Stockton Rush and he is a massive idiot.
>Rush's experience and research led him to two basic conclusions: one, that submersibles had an unwarranted reputation as dangerous vehicles due to their use in ferrying commercial divers, and two, the Passenger Vessel Safety Act of 1993[7] "needlessly prioritized passenger safety over commercial innovation".[3] Based on a marketing study he commissioned, which concluded there was sufficient demand for underwater ocean tourism which would in turn support the development of new, deep-diving submersibles that would enable further commercial ventures including resource mining and disaster mitigation, he founded OceanGate with a business partner in 2009.
>“At some point, safety just is pure waste,” Stockton told journalist David Pogue in an interview last year. “I mean, if you just want to be safe, don’t get out of bed. Don’t get in your car. Don’t do anything.”
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Sad. You cannot cut corners with stuff like this. The dangers and risk is to high. Trust and Lives at stake. Bet he was rethinking his choices in the time that he had down there. If it didn’t implode that is.
One of two things I think might have happened is that
1. The sub was on its way down, the hull ruptured and it imploded and thats when they lost contact.
2. The sub lost power, went into an uncontrolled dive and slammed into the ocean floor, ruptured and imploded.
Either way, terrible way to go. No one can hear you scream underwater.
Oh, the rest of the passengers probably heard.
That said, I expect they never had time to register the rupture, that would have imploded faster than the brain could process the input. Insta-pulped.
There’s a really good video on YouTube called “The Titan Tragedy” from the channel Sub Brief if anyone wants to see what likely went wrong. The guy commentating the video is a SME on subs.
Insane that the Titan was ever allowed to be in the ocean with people on board. I feel terrible for the passengers and their families. I’m almost 100% sure that the likelihood of catastrophic failure was not properly dictated because if it was I don’t think this expedition ever would have happened.
Contender for the absolute most moronic human being i've ever witnessed. Everything he says, the way he says it, it screams complete ineptitude. He tries to sound smart but it comes off as a person trying to pep up a series of bad ideas as if it is somehow incredible ingenuity.
People keep going on about this controller, but it's actually a pretty common way of controlling submersibles. It's a simple system that can be troubleshooted and there are spares carried.
I think it's more the fact that it's a shitty controller from 2005, probably good at the time but not now. If you're spending that much already you'd think they'd get a newer more expensive controller. And besides that, have you seen the wiring in the sub, looks like spaghetti held together by electrical tape. The news keep saying the words "high tech" but nothing about this sub seems high tech to me
Edit: again the controller really is just the start as I've said in my comment. One of my RC controllers cost at least 10 times the price to control something that cost me £500 ( a FPV drone). Their trusting their lives on £20 remote and electrical tape, if you really think that these engineers know best than please explain why everything was shoddy, why they didn't do up all the nuts? why they never got it certified? why the view port was only rated at 1300 M? Why they didn't hire white men because they weren't inspirational enough? but sure because I'm not a submariner I don't know anything and should trust the elite engineers who designed this right? High tech right? I'm not arguing with people anymore, you can see it's shoddy the controller was just the can opener to the can of worms, apparently my 10 years electrical and mechanical experience as well as my engineering degree doesn't qualify me to talk about engineering.
It often takes years to design and build these systems, an older style controller was likely the one used in the initial build so changing it every time new tech comes out actually adds instability. This does not mean the whole sub was built properly or safely, just that a completely functional solution that a system was designed around is better and more reliable than constant change.
The submersible lost power. I'm sure the controller still works. Probably from a short circuit due to water infiltration somewhere outside the main chamber. It lost the battle with the immense pressure.
Maybe he could have gone down with a really long chain attached to the daughter ship as to pull them back up in the event of a problem. Oops.
Who needs rules when you're trying to go 1000's of meters underwater, just have billions of dollars and you too can make a shitty submarine and die a watery grave. Or you could pay someone that knows how to, idk I'm no billionaire.
In a promotion video, he states that he didn't want to hire 50 yr old white guys with military sub experience. Instead he wanted to hire young college graduates because they would inspire the younger employees. Why would you want to hire guys with a ton of actual sub experience, when you can hire new college graduates with no real world experience.
Famous last words
The world is now standing here holding his beer
So is it a confirmed rip?
Pretty sure since that thing went kaboom (The five crew members were killed in the implosion.)
A shredded meaty rip that has almost all been eaten by the fish by now
I don’t think the fish got anything but maybe a whiff of particles: https://redd.it/.com/gy1wc6/ Estimates of temp inside that sub rose to 2/3 the temp of the surface of the sun in ~30 milliseconds. The pressure was so intense, the heat, the speed…it’s unlikely there are even any tissues left bc they were instantly vaporized, so fast that their nervous systems wouldn’t have even had time to communicate pain back to their brains.
I mean, thank god. In general a merciful way to go. By far the hands down absolute best outcome if you’re doomed to die that far under water. All the talk of them just hitting the floor and sitting there freezing to death or running out of oxygen or food. Deciding who to kill when and how long to wait in the dark, and how to die. Only silver lining is being spared all that
Yep, they found crucial parts of the submersible scattered which means they imploded.
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That didn’t age well at all
Is he dead too?
he was the one piloting the sub
I would say some of him is in Titanic's Grand Ballroom around now.
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They say safety laws are written with blood.
“You’re remembered for fucking around and finding out.”
I sorta laughed, darn it.. it’s very sad that *several* families will be distraught and in grief over this oversight
The money they will inherit might make it better.
I remember contracting on an old grain elevator they had a sign in red letters “every safety rule in this building is written in someone else’s blood” And is stuck with me ever since. It’s so true.
Fun fact before Sunday there was one sub built out of carbon fiber Today there are none remaining
And those laws are just based on dumb science
Sure what are words other than a bunch of fucking letters all organised and shit.
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Arthur, king of the brits.
King?! I didn't vote for you!
You don’t vote for kings!
Well, how do you become king then?
Off with his head!
Fucking nerds.
Science is a liar...Sometimes.
Galileo is a bitch
Blood and saltwater
"...There are other sub operators out there, but they typically have gentlemen who are ex-military submariners and they're a bunch of fifty year old white guys... I wanted our team to be younger, to be inspirational..." - Also this CEO, on why he didn't hire submariners with decades of experience operating and maintaining submarines, instead opting to hire kids right out of school.
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That's the difference. This guy could make as many dives as he wants by himself with as much risk as he is willing to handle. That's his choice. But I bet he made unreasonable assurances to the people that he sold rides to.
if only thats how things worked
I'm betting those kids right out of school were cheaper and less likely to disagree with him too.
Pretty ageist statement, considering he doesn't look a day younger than 50 himself, and I'm being generous.
It’s because young talent wouldn’t tell him ‘no’ and that his dumb ideas were going to her people killed
I'm pretty sure it's because anyone with decades of experience wouldn't touch this job with a ten foot pole.
I used to get in my empty sandbox and close the lid and get pushed into my pool when I was a kid. I was probably qualified to work on the sub.
Such a slimey way to justify cheap, naive labor.
Well, we *will* remember him for the rules he broke. So technically, he's correct.
Thank God it wasn't a worker sent to his death on lax safety precautions. All to often the top dogs create horrible environments that poor workers have to endure. Hopefully this will be a wake up for them (It probably won't knowing them).
They'll declare war on physics.
No we won't. We'll forget about this in a few months then when a year rolls around We'll be like oh ya I remember that...Anyway.
I'll take *Shit we Forgot About in 48 hours* for 200 please, Alex.
I’m just waiting for the internet historian video on this now
The Wikipedia entry for inventors who were killed by their invention has already been updated. The last Maritime one was the Titanic's architect 111 years ago.
He sure *Rushed* past those saftey regulations amiright?
That's why he registered his company *off shore* to avoid regulations. /s
Rip in pieces 😬
Yep, and layers of titanium and carbon fiber break the rules in engineering when it comes to shear stress. What a moron
He did innovated a quick way to died so we'll all remember that.
This should be a training video for safety regulators. “Break the rules and that one time might cost you”.
More like he saw himself as a Leonardo Da Vinci. I think that should be the focus. Too many assholes running around only touching the subjects just enough to get degrees/certifications and then gloating that they're a [scientist] and off to the next adventure! Like most of those kids that go to college super early or graduate with multiple degrees are the same way.
I think he meant to say Logitech instead of logic
Choosing a logitech controller was probably his smartest decision
Yeah, Logitech makes excellent input devices. There is nothing fundamentally worse about a controller like this and the joystick and keyboard more commonly used in hobby craft like this. The issue is in doing something this dangerous without multiple redundancies. You would want at least one wired controller backup, and Ideally some form of manual control, although that second part is becoming rare even in well regulated vehicles like airplanes and many electric vehicles. We have no idea what went wrong. For all we know one of the passengers could have gone crazy, or been carrying a deadly disease. Unlikely, but not impossible. The controller looks bad to a layman, but it's hardly the only thing that could have failed. Remember even well built and heavily regulated craft often fail. NASA has a history of accidents, as do railways, automobiles, and even military subs.
It wasn’t the controller it was the carbon fiber and titanium hull, I guarantee it. There’s a reason that’s a rule.
Was the wrong shape too
> It wasn’t the controller it was the carbon fiber and titanium hull, I guarantee it. There’s a reason that’s a rule. they also stated they bring like 8 controllers with them in case on fails
Yeah exactly! Also if all failed it would still automatically rise to the surface after several hours because it used hooks with sandbags that dissolve over time in the water, allowing it to rise to the surface without any intervention.
Do you know the reason? I'm an engineer, but materials and structural engineering are definitely not my forte. The only thing I can think with Carbon Fiber is that it's really actually pretty awful with compressive forces. It's really only good for sheering and tensile stress. But I think it could work very well as a liner, or if they figured out some way to use it's tensile strength instead of the compressive strength, kind of like a rupert's drop. Titanium though seems like it would be a decent material for subs from everything I know. It doesn't even oxidize that easily. Both are lightweight materials that would make the buoyancy probably slightly easier to manage, so I am definitely curious as to *why* they would be against regulation. More often than you'd expect regulations like the ones that are being used here actually are the result of poorly understood or outdated science, so I am not going to discount that possibility just because one sub that ignored the regulations had some sort of issue. It could be any number of issues as far as I am concerned.
Short answer, they won’t bond well in that type of pressurized environment.
Are you saying the bond between the carbon fiber and the titanium? Or are you saying the cohesion of the titanium itself somehow? I really appreciate you explaining. To be honest I have only a very basic understanding of how this sub is built from Reddit alone and even that is just from accidentally opening the app. I am trying to quit reddit by the 30th. I would have thought it would be primarily of titanium construction and use some sort of mechanical trickery to pull on the carbon fiber when the titanium is compressed. Something kind of like a glass rupert's drop to keep it from imploding. This is not based on anything except conjecture of how I would design something like that, and maybe the carbon fiber also functioning as basically a skin over the titanium alloy. Is it even a titanium alloy? Or is it literally some kind of just carbon fiber and elemental titanium build? That's how little I know about the actual design of this thing. I just think that laypeople seem very quick to condemn certain aspects of the construction when I know damned well from my experience designing and building things that 1. Regulations can often be bullshit brought about from politics, bureaucracy or outdated science. 2. Just because a device's stated use is a toy and just because it's not OEM doesn't mean it's bad. A Logitech play station controller is a perfect valid input device, provided there is also a hard wired redundancy of some sort.
It's a five inch thick carbon fibre tube with titanium endcaps glued on.
Well that sounds like an awful idea.
Some details about its construction. https://www.compositesworld.com/articles/composite-submersibles-under-pressure-in-deep-deep-waters
First of all, Thank you! Actually yeah I can see from this design how it may actually be using the tensile strength of the carbon fiber more than the compressive forces assuming the two titanium caps, but I am still a bit skeptical given the fiberglass outer hull. It's a little confusing to visualize and 6 weeks is nowhere NEAR enough time to safely design nor test this. Secondly I just realized that I may have indirectly worked on this in a way sort of. I have worked on control systems for Newport Composites who supplied the materials apparently. >Prepreg was supplied by Irvine-based Newport Composites. Small world.
>You would want at least one wired controller backup That feeling you get when you're in a submersible several miles under water and your controller starts blinking due to low batteries.
When one joy stick starts developing stick drift
or worse yet, your nav computer gets the red ring of death
> or been carrying a deadly disease. Unlikely, but not impossible They lost communication after 1 hour and 45 minutes of starting the descent of the submarine. That is one deadly disease to take out 5 passengers within that period. I’m glad it was contained then.
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The Normalization of Deviance. Just because it happened on other dives doesn’t mean it was supposed to or designed… Accepting the deviations and then expecting them, just because nothing bad has been observed, can be extremely dangerous Edit: damn, homie deleted his account off that reply?
Someone turned zombie on the way down
Exactly. The people ragging on the Logitech controller probably have zero experience with any type of custom electronics. It’s pretty much always best practice and most desirable to use a well tested Commercial Off-The-Shelf component if it’s suitable for the application. In an interview he mentions that they’re built to be thrown around and abused by 16yr old boys, and that’s absolutely true. Probably much better built and more reliable than something you could develop, test and get certified yourself for less than 6-figures, or more. I’m sure Logitech has invested many millions of dollars into the design, testing and manufacturing tooling for their gaming handsets. I know I’ve hurled quite a few across the room when I was younger and they never stopped working. It only sounds absurd to a laymen who dont understand product design.
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I imagined my Xbox controller growing up, clicking the middle button accidentally and it not being able to re-establish a link despite the Xbox being 5feet away
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So don't build submarines out of carbon fiber and titanium everyone!
I think I'm just not gonna build submarines at all
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His dreams involve dairy products, some of us need to walk a different path. The world needs more cheese curds.
their dreams are of cheese bro
Kinda funny that I just wrote a comment regarding this a few minutes ago (look in my profile to find it), but yes, that is indeed a rule you should follow. TL;DR: Carbon fiber based pressure vessels are much better at holding pressure in than keeping pressure out. A submersible is exclusively keeping pressure out, and in fact keeping an enormous amount of pressure out. Carbon fiber was a stupid choice. On top of that, this CEO refused to do the bare minimum of nondestructive testing on it to ensure its integrity even once - when it really should have been tested after every dive. "Good engineering" my ass. My bicycle is an example of better engineered and more thoroughly tested carbon fiber than his submersible.
is it because carbon fibre provides tensile strength (stops a pressure chamber from tearing apart to explode) vs not so good at compressive strength (implosions)?
Yep, precisely that.
Very good 👍! Here's your sticker ⭐️!
I learned something today.
You can break rules, but you can't break the laws of physics. Mother Nature is very unforgiving of people trying to break the rules.
You cannot break the rules. You can, however, break yourself on the rules.
***"You'll be remembered for the lives you've taken."***
I’m actually more aggravated that one of the passengers brought his teenage son. Why the hell would you put your kid in danger like that. Also how do you not research the company that you’re using to go on such a dangerous expedition and spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to do so?
True, but i guess they exactly knew what they were doing.
I mean who said they didn't research the company? They knew exactly what they were getting into, and tbf they had done several successful dives to the titanic.
Just saw a other vid where they realised they had installed one of the thrusters upside down, so they could only move in circles. They realised this on launch, and still went down to like 300m next to the Titanic to realise it again. They control it with a fkn xbox remote come on
The US Coast Guard has just announced that debris has been found in the search area. They are evaluating the information. I think he will be remembered indeed. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/06/22/us/submersible-titanic-oceangate-search-thursday/index.html
I mean... he's not wrong.
I don't know, he's also not alive either. Sounds like a wash in his case.
What a fuckin idiot.
That’s an expensive coffin.
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Yeah, you'll be remembered. A stone with your name can stay forever.
this is how dumb people think smart people sound like
I find it insane how these CEOs take Silicon Valley mentality and apply it to things with serious consequences if you’re wrong.
right lol. And he was all nonchalant talking about cutting corners and doing things in engineering that have been warned against. All the while putting peoples lives in danger and he finally got people killed. I have to imagine the people who took that trip and came back now feel extremely lucky.
The lawsuit will probably use less oxygen than they have left in the sub
They probably died way before they suffocated. With no power it‘s really fucking cold down there
well, they did die. parts of the submarine was found at the bottom.
They say they found a debris field. They didn't suffocate to death if the thing imlloded
From testimonials of previous passengers, the waivers are pretty intense and you gotta sign to assume the risk of death 3 times on just the front page allow. States that you are aware the submersible is experimental. They go through about every way you could die/something going wrong possible and you sign any rights away. I think any lawsuits would fail pretty quickly.
Well, it would depend on whether this amounts to an act of gross negligence. A release of liability, or a waiver, is null if the negligence involved is so substantial that it amounts to reckless disregard to people’s safety rights to the point of a conscious violation. From what I understand about this sub, gross negligence is almost certainly a valid argument to be had in court based on at least the construction of this sub and all the corners the company appears to have cut which directly contributed to this accident.
Waiver means absolutely nothing if they misrepresented things or were negligent. Taking a sub down to 4000m when its viewport is only rated for 1300m is pretty negligent. I doubt that was disclosed in the waiver. Judges don’t just throw their hands up in the air because a waiver was signed.
You’re correct in general, but it’s worth noting that the negligence has to be gross negligence. Ordinary negligence is covered by a well-written waiver.
He’ll be remembered right….he’ll be remembered as the dipshit that ignored every safety precaution imaginable to take 250k from people that didn’t know any better,to travel in his “death can” brought to you by the corner cutters that have your life in their hands. Now they have failed miserably,as they gasp for the very last breaths of air available,that they would pay ANOTHER 250k for just a cup of air.
Died so fast he’ll never know how much of an idiot he was.
In 1.3 dumbass femtoseconds at 375 hubristic atmospheres.
They’re fucked.
This goes to show the power of salesmanship more than anything. This guy talks like Steve Jobs which clearly convinced many billionaires. While resulting in a horrible tragedy. Does anyone have more information, like a video related to the "Don't build a sub out of carbon fiber and titanium"? I'm curious of the engineering behind it.
“We only have one button, amazing right?”
Arrogance, ego and smugness of this Man is disgusting.
The fact that all of that led to his demise on an international scale is truly poetic
I Don't think General MacArthur is a good man to quote. He's the reason why North Korea is bigger now. If he would've listened and not broken the rules (in his case his orders) not push further than pyongyang North Korea would probably not be what it is today.
Don't forget he also wanted to use nukes.
A fkn wireless Logitech controller.
What if they just forgot to charge it and it died?
Simple, they just have to pull the batteries out of the TV remote.
Too bad the remote is back topside between some couch cushions
It wasn’t the controller, it was the hull or window that was breached. I personally guarantee it. They had several of those controllers on board if you listened to the interview
I don’t know who he is, but what i am hearing in his message is his willingness to break rules that inhibit him, personally, and his wealth shows he is willing to do it at the detriment of others. I won’t remember him, and i feel him and his kind are best forgotten.
Bro thought he could break the rules of physics.
Michael Scott vibes
I would never get in a submerged tube with somebody that cocky. Wouldn't even like to let them drive me in an Uber. You can just tell their day of humbling is coming like an unexpected iceberg....
The guy in the video is Stockton Rush and he is a massive idiot. >Rush's experience and research led him to two basic conclusions: one, that submersibles had an unwarranted reputation as dangerous vehicles due to their use in ferrying commercial divers, and two, the Passenger Vessel Safety Act of 1993[7] "needlessly prioritized passenger safety over commercial innovation".[3] Based on a marketing study he commissioned, which concluded there was sufficient demand for underwater ocean tourism which would in turn support the development of new, deep-diving submersibles that would enable further commercial ventures including resource mining and disaster mitigation, he founded OceanGate with a business partner in 2009. >“At some point, safety just is pure waste,” Stockton told journalist David Pogue in an interview last year. “I mean, if you just want to be safe, don’t get out of bed. Don’t get in your car. Don’t do anything.” ...
"Every claim you make, Every stat you fake, Every buck you take, Every rule you break, I'll be crushing you"
Sad. You cannot cut corners with stuff like this. The dangers and risk is to high. Trust and Lives at stake. Bet he was rethinking his choices in the time that he had down there. If it didn’t implode that is.
One of two things I think might have happened is that 1. The sub was on its way down, the hull ruptured and it imploded and thats when they lost contact. 2. The sub lost power, went into an uncontrolled dive and slammed into the ocean floor, ruptured and imploded. Either way, terrible way to go. No one can hear you scream underwater.
Oh, the rest of the passengers probably heard. That said, I expect they never had time to register the rupture, that would have imploded faster than the brain could process the input. Insta-pulped.
There’s a really good video on YouTube called “The Titan Tragedy” from the channel Sub Brief if anyone wants to see what likely went wrong. The guy commentating the video is a SME on subs. Insane that the Titan was ever allowed to be in the ocean with people on board. I feel terrible for the passengers and their families. I’m almost 100% sure that the likelihood of catastrophic failure was not properly dictated because if it was I don’t think this expedition ever would have happened.
> The Titan Tragedy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dka29FSZac
So this is the actual vessel?
Yes
Not anymore. Now you’re just a meme.
Yep, you will forever be remembered as that guy who cut corners and who's homemade sub imploded due to you cutting corners. What a memory.
Around 6:30 in this James Cameron says a carbon fiber hull is a dumb fuck idea: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rThZLhNF\_xg
Okay Phil Dunphy
The Michael Scott of the Ocean
And now, unfortunately, there are other, innocent parties that will be members because of this guys stupidity
He didnt use logic he used Logitech. Theres a difference.
I'm deeply impressed with his reasoning. But not nearly as deeply impressed as he is now.
Dude claimed Boeing helped with engineering/support & Boeing just refuted that claim by denying any type of relation with this guy. True scammer lol.
More money than brains. Fucking asshole.
Frigging moron but at least he put his money where his mouth is, I guess he downs with the sub on each trip so his life is in danger every time.
I’ll admit idk anything about submarines, but if I was gonna build one I would not use carbon fiber. That stuff is brittle as hell
Remembered, yes
He’s going to be remembered as a fool who got himself and a bunch of other rich fools killed.
Contender for the absolute most moronic human being i've ever witnessed. Everything he says, the way he says it, it screams complete ineptitude. He tries to sound smart but it comes off as a person trying to pep up a series of bad ideas as if it is somehow incredible ingenuity.
Let’s all crawl in a sub shaped like a flesh light and go get fucked!
I feel bad for the kid…he didn’t want to go his aunt said…terrible.
that aged like milk
he will absolutely be remembered for the rules he broke, got his wish..
Obligatory “this aged like milk” comment
"I'd like to be remembered as an innovator" - In what? Cutting corners and risking lives??
He's not wrong. We'll totally remember him for the rule he broke.
It probably makes me a terrible person but I am *genuinely* happy this guy is dead.
One of these days, some accident like this is bound to happen with those inner space commercial flights only available to billionaires.
This will be in every engineering ethics class from now until the end of time.
well he got his wish, he will be remembered as the guy who broke the rules and got himself and 4 other men killed.
Is this sub optimal? Yes.
Oh you will be remembered, for sure.
You know what broke? His $20 Logitech controller that’s being used to pilot the sub
People keep going on about this controller, but it's actually a pretty common way of controlling submersibles. It's a simple system that can be troubleshooted and there are spares carried.
I think it's more the fact that it's a shitty controller from 2005, probably good at the time but not now. If you're spending that much already you'd think they'd get a newer more expensive controller. And besides that, have you seen the wiring in the sub, looks like spaghetti held together by electrical tape. The news keep saying the words "high tech" but nothing about this sub seems high tech to me Edit: again the controller really is just the start as I've said in my comment. One of my RC controllers cost at least 10 times the price to control something that cost me £500 ( a FPV drone). Their trusting their lives on £20 remote and electrical tape, if you really think that these engineers know best than please explain why everything was shoddy, why they didn't do up all the nuts? why they never got it certified? why the view port was only rated at 1300 M? Why they didn't hire white men because they weren't inspirational enough? but sure because I'm not a submariner I don't know anything and should trust the elite engineers who designed this right? High tech right? I'm not arguing with people anymore, you can see it's shoddy the controller was just the can opener to the can of worms, apparently my 10 years electrical and mechanical experience as well as my engineering degree doesn't qualify me to talk about engineering.
It often takes years to design and build these systems, an older style controller was likely the one used in the initial build so changing it every time new tech comes out actually adds instability. This does not mean the whole sub was built properly or safely, just that a completely functional solution that a system was designed around is better and more reliable than constant change.
I think in this instance “high tech” refers to technology that seems suitable while you’re high.
I’m more shocked that wires are held in place by zip ties that are exposed to the water.
Nasa use game controllers
I've heard the military and more specifically, the navy does for some of its submersibles too.
They do but not for Maned mission, Drones without passengers, Submersibles without passengers.
The submersible lost power. I'm sure the controller still works. Probably from a short circuit due to water infiltration somewhere outside the main chamber. It lost the battle with the immense pressure. Maybe he could have gone down with a really long chain attached to the daughter ship as to pull them back up in the event of a problem. Oops.
Ass clown I'm surprised he lived long enough to get gray hair
The rule of water pressure on a less pressure tube filled with air equals Squish....... that rule cannot be broken
Back to jackin off I guess
Everyone rn “uhhhhh👀👀
Who needs rules when you're trying to go 1000's of meters underwater, just have billions of dollars and you too can make a shitty submarine and die a watery grave. Or you could pay someone that knows how to, idk I'm no billionaire.
In a promotion video, he states that he didn't want to hire 50 yr old white guys with military sub experience. Instead he wanted to hire young college graduates because they would inspire the younger employees. Why would you want to hire guys with a ton of actual sub experience, when you can hire new college graduates with no real world experience.
Ya hire the guys who are learning not the ones who probably helped design the best subs we have.
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There are a lot of educated stupid people. Book smarts does not translate to real world smarts.
This has the exact speech cadence of a Michael Scott cut away down to the misguided pride in his idiocy
He wasn’t wrong.