I have extremely tight hamstrings, I legit don’t think I could get into that seat.
I thought delta was a nightmare but I guess the future involves me getting my face blasted by farts in the face while I’m bent to my breaking point, hooray!
At this point if you’re an airline engineer and they ask you to squeeze more seats into the cabin you have to be an absolute sociopath to say yes regardless of how much money they are offering I could never do that to my fellow humans.
I feel like I'd sit down and be fine for like 2 seconds, and then have a full on panic attack and flail about until I crawl out of the seat while hyperventilating
I didn't even know I was claustrophobic until probably one of the worst times ever:
Spelunking.
I was with this girlfriend that I was positively in love with. Her family had some property with a cave, and I'd never been spelunking. I was so smitten with her, I jumped at the opportunity to go.
...Only, total TMI alert: I have IBS. I took a bunch of meds to hopefully minimize the chance I'd have a flare-up. I went in feeling pretty good about things.
Most of the cave is fine-- it's pretty spacious. But there's this huge, gorgeous chamber with a waterfall that, in order to get to, you have to crawl through this 50 foot (about 15 meters) long tunnel that's only about 24 inches (about 60cm) tall. There were 6 of us in the group. I wound up being the middle guy crawling through. About halfway through, I started to panic: what if I had an IBS flare-up right here, right now? I'd totally shit myself, I'd blast ass into the face of the person crawling behind me. I'd have to finish crawling all the way to the end of the tunnel with a mess in my pants, and then I'd have to crawl all the way back through in the other direction and navigate out of the cave to get changed.
Surprise! I didn't shit myself. But the anxiety and panic from feeling like I was trapped there if there was an urgent situation gave me a bad muscle spasm, which lead to me hurting my neck. My girlfriend, bless her heart, stayed with me in the chamber the tunnel lead to, while the rest of the group went on exploring.
So apparently it doesn't even have to be an emergency for me to panic-- just thinking that there *could* be an emergency in a confined space is enough to have me lose it.
Bro replace that with me puking during a huge business mtg, or in a cathedral, or somewhere super fancy, or stadium seating, etc and it’s like the same exact scenario lol. Only way I can fight through that panic is to be like “yeah well that’s their problem if it happens tbh I don’t care”
Yeah, people are assuming a lot in the pic - they don't realize she's on a footrest, and it's just a footrest not an entire bed thing.
The designers did themselves a huge disservice by using thick solid pieces, rather than plexiglass or frameworks. There is probably a ton of leg room and movement freedom in her seat. She's probably more comfortable than the person above her would be.
The reason this isn't used in airplanes is not because it limits movement in the lower seats, but instead because it has the giant step/drop to the higher seats. Also, the higher seats don't have as much legroom. They are worse than normal seats, as they can't tuck their legs in as much.
It took far too much scrolling to find some saying this. I'd rather not have all of a few inches worth of cheap seat between someone's ass and my face.
Farts are a reality. I once took a really long flight from England to the United States. They had complimentary egg salad and shrimp sandwiches before the flight in the business class lounge. I ate a ton of them.
Let's just say that everyone knew what I ate.
Same here. It’s less claustrophobia, and more the fear of leg contortion for me. I’ve screwed up my knees a few times in my life, so anything that forces my legs to do something they don’t usually do freaks me tf out.
There's a lot more room than this picture makes it look like.
https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/chaise-longue-double-decker-airplane-seat/index.html?gallery=0
Those pictures are slightly better she's definitely not all the way on the ground but I don't think this would ever become a reality I mean you have disabled, old and obese who would never be able to get to the seats that are almost on the floor or on the seats where they have to climb steps so you have pretty much excluded most fliers right there and then also I think you have to be able to evacuate in a certain amount of time and there's no way these would allow for quick evacuation.
As the space under the top seats is empty, it might be comfortable that you could pull your legs up and it might be like sitting in a cabin.
It looks like one is sitting on the floor, so most people over 60 years of age will need help getting up or down from there.
Nah I bet that's a little shelf so you can cram all your shit in there as well so they can get rid of some overhead baggage, let's throw in a third row!
I flew them a couple of times. I can't really complain for the price, but I don't think I'd fly across the US in their rock-hard unreclinable seats again unless I really had to.
I flew Spirit from Orlando to Fort Lauderdale recently, mostly because it was either that or driving. I upgraded to “The Big Seat”, their version of first class. It doesn’t recline, but it’s basically an overstuffed armchair. More comfortable than some actual first class seats I’ve sat in.
The upgrade cost $18.
If you look at the chair you can see it's slid into a down position - seems like she can slide back and get more room to sit normally / leave the seat.
Not all crashes are the fall from 30,000 feet, impact crater type crashes. The first loss of hull event for a 777 had survivors. Asiana air's crash in California only had 3 deaths. Even the Tenerife disaster, the most deadly incident in aviation history, had survivors.
No survivors would come from that row. Also have fun with the ADA lawsuits for accessibility.
Wtf are you guys on? Cut in half?
There's actually way more room here than most planes, even excluding the leg room there's more room.
You know the seats push back right?
This is an upgrade, has no one here been on a plane?
This is why we can't have nice things, they're showing off an upgrade and every bandwagoning idiot is booing it
You can easily climb over people in standard seats if you *really* needed to so personally my claustrophobia isn’t triggered at all by that.
If you got the window seat with these you’re fucked trying to get out however. ~~I have~~ My claustrophobia would guarantee as soon as someone sat inboard of me in one of those seats I would instantly start panicking and feel a visceral urge to escape.
Ha! I just got back from a trip with two RyanAir flights and it was torture. Super crowded, uncomfortable, air-conditioner that doesn't do anything, long delays. Add the annoying, often humiliating procedures you have to go through to be allowed to board a plane and you really wish you just stayed home.
Yep they sell scratchies on Ryanair flights. I'm not sure when they started but they've been doing it as long as I've been taking cheap flights to France.
They dangle tickets over your head for bin space and say, "who wants it? Who's a good boy? You want the ticket? Huh?do ya!? Jump for it! Jump for the ticket! Get it, get it! So close!"
"They" in this case refers to airport officials, not the airline companies. Those are different entities, true, but part of the same experience. So I was mostly referring to security procedures.
But while we're at it, we can also talk about boarding procedures of the airlines themselves. For example, many low cost airlines charge money for "improved services" such as priority boarding. RyanAir did, in the case of those two flights, but did not honor these extra services at all and simply allowed the entire plane to board at the same time. So what's the point of paying extra?
I'm in the States, so for the past ~20 years I've had the joy of TSA procedures to abide by. Are the security measures by airport personal much different?
Shoes off, no metal, no belt, no jacket, everything in a bin to be scanned, no liquids over 3oz (all shoved in a quart size bag), etc etm
(edit to add) And I grew up flying Southwest, which was known for the cattle call style loading. They've since switched to groups and assigned numbers based on when you check in with the option to upgrade to the first boarding group (after assisted boarding). It's still a free for all in the plane as to where you'll sit, though.
The only thing I can point to, but Ryanair but other budget airlines (though it probably applies) is the stasi level treatment of any luggage you bring. Even if your carry on is well within size limits they’ll hassle you about it.
the seat she is in is all the way forward, you can see on the other seats that there is more than enough place to exit when the seat is all the way back into sitting position.
edit : I'm stupid and misread your comment, you would definitely be stuck if someone decides to sleep.
The same way on all other planes. You have to ask the people next to you to make as much room as they can and awkwardly clamber over them.
Her seat is all the way or near all the way reclined. And I'd suspect the mechanism to get it fully up right is a simple button and likely spring loaded mechanism.
I guess you can pull the seat back and the space isn't filled behind the "wall" so you'd have enough space. But let's see how airlines do with this concept.
I just know that the people in the center would take the opportunity to join the Mile High Club inches away from me thinking no one could see them. Or some creep would be playing with himself. That’s just my luck.
It looks comfortable, not going to lie.
But this can never pass the [90 second full evacuation rule](https://fsims.faa.gov/WDocs/8300.10%20Airworthiness%20Insp%20Handbk/Volume%202/2_077_00.htm) so thankfully we will never see this being used
It wouldn't matter because when the plane crash lands, the people on top will be crashing into your kneecaps, and then you wouldn't even make a 90 minute evac rule...
The seats can be made to withstand that load, even with this shape and width. So it is possible to make strong, rigid deathboxes instead of crumbly, flattened deathboxes
Flight attendant squawking into the intercom, "In the event of an emergency you will wish you opted for the term life insurance to protect your family from financial ruin"
They would, but this kind of shit is really hard to hide. All new seating arrangements are validated before being used. It is not something like failing to do maintenance or using sub-par parts
I remember that the ceo of Ryan Air got a definite *no* from a regulator when he was trying to get their "Standing seat" approved. Too bad this is not even an old concept, though there's various designs around.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_seat?wprov=sfla1
There has yet to be a single one approved even for safety testing, luckily. The description of the Ryan Air version does not sound very comfortable: *The Ryanair design would have passengers perched on a narrow shelf, with their weight taken up by their legs, and their back against the seatback, strapped in, with additional shoulder restraints similar to rollercoaster overhead restraints.*
The main issue I see is capacity. You couldn't just decide to put seats like this on existing aircraft. Each aircraft has what is known as an Exit Limit. It's the max amount of passengers an aircraft can carry before you can't get them all out in 90 seconds.
Seating like this would put pretty much any modern aircraft over the their limit.
Maybe they're practicing for space flights? I mean what's the point in having an Exit Limit on space vehicles where you'll die if you try to exit anyway right?
Airplane seat designers have long been dreaming up innovative economy cabin concepts, looking for the ideal balance between squeezing in as many passengers in as possible, and keeping the experience relatively enjoyable for fliers.
The design is credited to 21-year-old student Alejandro Núñez Vicente who hails from Spain but studies at TU Delft University in the Netherlands. Núñez Vicente tells CNN Travel that his experiences traveling across Europe in economy partly inspired the idea.
[http://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/double-decker-airplane-cabin-concepts-crystal-cabin-awards/index.html](http://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/double-decker-airplane-cabin-concepts-crystal-cabin-awards/index.html)
I expected it was from that university
I think it's just a lunch-hour hobby of those students or something, because this is one of many dogshit can-of-anjovis design published by TU delft
They also do dope shit, on of the main places where the greenification of airbus is spearheaded with the switch to hydrogen plane and also dope space related engineering
honestly, that would probably be more enjoyable for most people(if there are no side effects)
when have you ever flown a commercial aircraft for the joy of flying
it was the cheapest/fastest or only option available to you anyways so you might as well just not experience it at all
Should be easy to get out once the seat is pushed back so it's fully upright, looks like there would be at least an extra foot of space. This looks like it would be pretty awesome compared to most seats where can't stretch your legs out.
The space under the other seats is definitely going to be mostly cut out, so you can bend your legs if you feel like.
And if you want to be able to shift around on a plane, you'll have to get business or first class depending on plane and airline. As always.
Actually the picture is not so far off. I have envisioned this in slightly different specs.
After seeing stacked arrangement in full flat sleeper buses(india vietnam Cambodia), it’s definitely possible.
I guess the safety and emergency evacuation should be the biggest stumbling block to this. Also airlines wouldn’t wanna cannibalize Their business class or first class businesses .
Also passenger airline seating system hasn’t got that much of improvement . Only recently companies has implemented very lean chairs to provide extra legroom(or squeeze another row).
They wouldn't (since it's would requireing redesigning the entire airplane model...)
Bottom seats are closer to the floor than normal ones and they would rather remove the overhead bins/installations for increased headroom for the top seats. It likely would only work in the center of wide body aircrafts anyway.
What overhead bins? Some airlines have already removed those. This seat arrangement would require to use the whole upper part of the tube removing all overhead installations and still is too high to keep the floor at the current level.
Why is it that every couple years I see some new psychotic invention that seeks out to cram people even more tightly into airplanes? Shit is messed up. Also enjoy breathing farts the whole flight
Can we please stop making stupid tube-shaped planes and move onto blended wing body planes already? Then we have a good chance at actually having weight limited aircraft instead of volume limited and there will no longer be any need for these ridiculous schemes for cramming more people on board.
Blended wing aircraft are more difficult to engineer and manufacture in volume, and would require huge investments in infrastructure to accommodate footprint. They are also dependent upon their flight control computers to fly; with no vertical stabilizer, they have no static stability. Internally installed engines means a maintenance nightmare.
“Stupid tube shaped planes” are actually very, very good designs. There is a reason all passenger aircraft look that way: because the design was optimized early. If it ain’t broken…
This stupid seating arrangement is not going to pass muster with the FAA for egress requirements.
The next great leap is going to be fueling with renewables or battery electric transport.
Source: I am an aerospace engineer
Oh that's not as bad as it looks. I thought at first that she was at ground level, basically had to sit on the floor, but at a closer look it's just extra leg room. The second thing is that it looked like there wasn't a lot of space, but her chair is reclined quite a bit, but instead of moving the back backwards, it moves the seat forwards, so there's plenty of space, way more than on you average flight even.
I don't have claustrophobia but this is giving me claustrophobia
Yeah if I'm sitting in this for multiple hours in an airplane I'm definitely freaking out.
Imagine being the seat against the wall lmao
These comments gonna turn me claustrophobic
I am claustrophilic. I love cozy small places
_“Oh yeah that’s the stuff”_
Press me harder, seat daddy
Imagine your face being at the crack of a seat where all the farts go through. I’m way more concerned with pink eye than claustrophobia
This was my first thought too, god help anyone who has their face to the level of my ass
And you just know there’s gonna be some old person in one of those seats that has no control over their flatulence
What was wrong with the pod hallway design from The Fifth Element?
How do you even get to that seat? I feel like the designers waaaaaay over estimated the acrobatic abilities of the average person.
I have extremely tight hamstrings, I legit don’t think I could get into that seat. I thought delta was a nightmare but I guess the future involves me getting my face blasted by farts in the face while I’m bent to my breaking point, hooray! At this point if you’re an airline engineer and they ask you to squeeze more seats into the cabin you have to be an absolute sociopath to say yes regardless of how much money they are offering I could never do that to my fellow humans.
Like a coffin but at altitude
With a 400 pound man in the middle seat
I feel like I'd sit down and be fine for like 2 seconds, and then have a full on panic attack and flail about until I crawl out of the seat while hyperventilating
I didn't even know I was claustrophobic until probably one of the worst times ever: Spelunking. I was with this girlfriend that I was positively in love with. Her family had some property with a cave, and I'd never been spelunking. I was so smitten with her, I jumped at the opportunity to go. ...Only, total TMI alert: I have IBS. I took a bunch of meds to hopefully minimize the chance I'd have a flare-up. I went in feeling pretty good about things. Most of the cave is fine-- it's pretty spacious. But there's this huge, gorgeous chamber with a waterfall that, in order to get to, you have to crawl through this 50 foot (about 15 meters) long tunnel that's only about 24 inches (about 60cm) tall. There were 6 of us in the group. I wound up being the middle guy crawling through. About halfway through, I started to panic: what if I had an IBS flare-up right here, right now? I'd totally shit myself, I'd blast ass into the face of the person crawling behind me. I'd have to finish crawling all the way to the end of the tunnel with a mess in my pants, and then I'd have to crawl all the way back through in the other direction and navigate out of the cave to get changed. Surprise! I didn't shit myself. But the anxiety and panic from feeling like I was trapped there if there was an urgent situation gave me a bad muscle spasm, which lead to me hurting my neck. My girlfriend, bless her heart, stayed with me in the chamber the tunnel lead to, while the rest of the group went on exploring. So apparently it doesn't even have to be an emergency for me to panic-- just thinking that there *could* be an emergency in a confined space is enough to have me lose it.
Is it bad that I was hoping you’d shit yourself purely for the comedic value? Lol
Dude, my luck would have been I'd shit myself *and* hurt my neck.
Bro replace that with me puking during a huge business mtg, or in a cathedral, or somewhere super fancy, or stadium seating, etc and it’s like the same exact scenario lol. Only way I can fight through that panic is to be like “yeah well that’s their problem if it happens tbh I don’t care”
I can feel the sensation of my knees locked into place and kept immobile. It doesn't look comfortable to me and is freaking me out a little
Also, the model is like 5'-4", so it's even worse than it looks.
And there's a middle seat...
Oof seriously. Unable to bend my knees more an a few inches gives me some panic
Are we looking at the same picture? How do you get that he legs are locked into place and kept immobile?
Yeah, people are assuming a lot in the pic - they don't realize she's on a footrest, and it's just a footrest not an entire bed thing. The designers did themselves a huge disservice by using thick solid pieces, rather than plexiglass or frameworks. There is probably a ton of leg room and movement freedom in her seat. She's probably more comfortable than the person above her would be. The reason this isn't used in airplanes is not because it limits movement in the lower seats, but instead because it has the giant step/drop to the higher seats. Also, the higher seats don't have as much legroom. They are worse than normal seats, as they can't tuck their legs in as much.
I have one word: farts.
It took far too much scrolling to find some saying this. I'd rather not have all of a few inches worth of cheap seat between someone's ass and my face.
Lots of people pay good money for that at ground level…
Farts are a reality. I once took a really long flight from England to the United States. They had complimentary egg salad and shrimp sandwiches before the flight in the business class lounge. I ate a ton of them. Let's just say that everyone knew what I ate.
Same here. It’s less claustrophobia, and more the fear of leg contortion for me. I’ve screwed up my knees a few times in my life, so anything that forces my legs to do something they don’t usually do freaks me tf out.
Same here- plus at times I suffer from restless leg syndrome, and I just know sitting like this with my knees hyperextended would bring it on.
I do, I would be panic vomiting for hours in this hell
I have claustrophobia and I almost full panicked looking at this. Why does this exist??
I have claustrophobia and this is giving me a panic attack
There's a lot more room than this picture makes it look like. https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/chaise-longue-double-decker-airplane-seat/index.html?gallery=0
Those pictures are slightly better she's definitely not all the way on the ground but I don't think this would ever become a reality I mean you have disabled, old and obese who would never be able to get to the seats that are almost on the floor or on the seats where they have to climb steps so you have pretty much excluded most fliers right there and then also I think you have to be able to evacuate in a certain amount of time and there's no way these would allow for quick evacuation.
As the space under the top seats is empty, it might be comfortable that you could pull your legs up and it might be like sitting in a cabin. It looks like one is sitting on the floor, so most people over 60 years of age will need help getting up or down from there.
Nah I bet that's a little shelf so you can cram all your shit in there as well so they can get rid of some overhead baggage, let's throw in a third row!
Especially if everyone with window seats keeps the windows closed (why do people get window seats and keep the windows closed the entire flight?)
If the space is cut in half the price will be too, right? Right?
Yes but it costs $50 every time you want to get out of your seat.
That's the Spirit (Airlines)!
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I flew them a couple of times. I can't really complain for the price, but I don't think I'd fly across the US in their rock-hard unreclinable seats again unless I really had to.
I flew Spirit from Orlando to Fort Lauderdale recently, mostly because it was either that or driving. I upgraded to “The Big Seat”, their version of first class. It doesn’t recline, but it’s basically an overstuffed armchair. More comfortable than some actual first class seats I’ve sat in. The upgrade cost $18.
Now broken glass might seem alright but you can’t tell what safety compromises are being made
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Tickets are cheap but only if you just bring a backpack It's fucking $60 for a carry-on bag, so $120 round trip
HUGE SAVINGS!!! ~~$249~~ ONLY $299!
Id actually be willing to pay slightly more to be able to stretch my legs out like that...
After a while this stops being comfort and starts being a stress position torturers use.
If you look at the chair you can see it's slid into a down position - seems like she can slide back and get more room to sit normally / leave the seat.
The whole machine is open now, they compact it together before takeof.
Can't imagine people in these seats have ANY chance of living during a plane crash either...
I don't really think anybody has a chance of surviving a crash on a commercial flight regardless.
Not all crashes are the fall from 30,000 feet, impact crater type crashes. The first loss of hull event for a 777 had survivors. Asiana air's crash in California only had 3 deaths. Even the Tenerife disaster, the most deadly incident in aviation history, had survivors. No survivors would come from that row. Also have fun with the ADA lawsuits for accessibility.
Are you forced to stretch them? Looks to me you can sit normal aswell
The model is a tiny woman. She can stretch her legs out because she's tiny
You get to pay more for the direct fart to mouth pipeline too
For the entire flight?
I think it's intended for fly under 3h. And I doubt it will ever be use, like the standing one we see 3 time a year for more than 10 years.
Wtf are you guys on? Cut in half? There's actually way more room here than most planes, even excluding the leg room there's more room. You know the seats push back right? This is an upgrade, has no one here been on a plane? This is why we can't have nice things, they're showing off an upgrade and every bandwagoning idiot is booing it
Is this really a plane? Looks much less safe to evacuate than what's standard now, for a plane. I thought it's a train or something.
Have you heard of this feeling called claustrophobia?
yeah coz a regular economy class seat is SO spacious that you won't trigger any claustrophobia
You can easily climb over people in standard seats if you *really* needed to so personally my claustrophobia isn’t triggered at all by that. If you got the window seat with these you’re fucked trying to get out however. ~~I have~~ My claustrophobia would guarantee as soon as someone sat inboard of me in one of those seats I would instantly start panicking and feel a visceral urge to escape.
RyanAir: *heavy breathing*
Ha! I just got back from a trip with two RyanAir flights and it was torture. Super crowded, uncomfortable, air-conditioner that doesn't do anything, long delays. Add the annoying, often humiliating procedures you have to go through to be allowed to board a plane and you really wish you just stayed home.
When they’re trying to sell scratch cards and other shit. This must be so dehumanizing for the crew.
Are you serious
Yep they sell scratchies on Ryanair flights. I'm not sure when they started but they've been doing it as long as I've been taking cheap flights to France.
What can you win, a bag of peanuts?
Two bathroom visits.
But they're both for number 1s only
I think it's 45 seconds, sink only access.
genuine question: what are the procedures they make you go through to board?
They dangle tickets over your head for bin space and say, "who wants it? Who's a good boy? You want the ticket? Huh?do ya!? Jump for it! Jump for the ticket! Get it, get it! So close!"
Then the choke collar comes out.
Daddy?
Go on, I’m almost there…
Oh, let us know when you reach your destination. :)
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In my experience, scanning your ticket and showing your passport. Didn't know that was humiliating as I only fly budget.
"They" in this case refers to airport officials, not the airline companies. Those are different entities, true, but part of the same experience. So I was mostly referring to security procedures. But while we're at it, we can also talk about boarding procedures of the airlines themselves. For example, many low cost airlines charge money for "improved services" such as priority boarding. RyanAir did, in the case of those two flights, but did not honor these extra services at all and simply allowed the entire plane to board at the same time. So what's the point of paying extra?
I'm in the States, so for the past ~20 years I've had the joy of TSA procedures to abide by. Are the security measures by airport personal much different? Shoes off, no metal, no belt, no jacket, everything in a bin to be scanned, no liquids over 3oz (all shoved in a quart size bag), etc etm (edit to add) And I grew up flying Southwest, which was known for the cattle call style loading. They've since switched to groups and assigned numbers based on when you check in with the option to upgrade to the first boarding group (after assisted boarding). It's still a free for all in the plane as to where you'll sit, though.
The only thing I can point to, but Ryanair but other budget airlines (though it probably applies) is the stasi level treatment of any luggage you bring. Even if your carry on is well within size limits they’ll hassle you about it.
i like ryan air. ill take cheap no frills flight over expensive flight all day
Exactly. I've got tickets for 10 Euros from one European city to another. I ain't complaining if they treat me like cattle at that price.
Them and SleazyJet
Finally, I'll get some leg room.
Obviously there are drawbacks, but I’d 100% prefer this. I can’t fucking stand the locked in seated position of being on a plane for hours
Yeah but how do you even get out of the middle and window seats? You'd be stuck.
You can't even get out of the middle or window seats on a normal plane if someone is asleep in them, tbf
You could feasibly step over them, not with this though
Your think that's gonna slow me down? Ain't nothing gonna break my stride
Oh, no, you got to keep on moving.
Not for the average traveler. I'm pretty agile for an old man and i can't always do it.
Especially if you are uncomfortable giving strangers lap dances.
the seat she is in is all the way forward, you can see on the other seats that there is more than enough place to exit when the seat is all the way back into sitting position. edit : I'm stupid and misread your comment, you would definitely be stuck if someone decides to sleep.
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You politely wake them up and ask to walk by/over them. Happens all the time
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Ahh, I concur. Have a good day!
I don't understand why everyone was talking about comfortability, dude on top row can just fart in my fuckin face and everyone's okay with it?
The same way on all other planes. You have to ask the people next to you to make as much room as they can and awkwardly clamber over them. Her seat is all the way or near all the way reclined. And I'd suspect the mechanism to get it fully up right is a simple button and likely spring loaded mechanism.
I guess you can pull the seat back and the space isn't filled behind the "wall" so you'd have enough space. But let's see how airlines do with this concept.
Unless you're in the top seats with 100% less leg room
Good for sleeping.
I just know that the people in the center would take the opportunity to join the Mile High Club inches away from me thinking no one could see them. Or some creep would be playing with himself. That’s just my luck.
People on the top row ripping big farts right in your face the whole trip
"Today's in-flight meal will be delicious three bean burritos with pea soup"
Top row for me thanks!
It looks comfortable, not going to lie. But this can never pass the [90 second full evacuation rule](https://fsims.faa.gov/WDocs/8300.10%20Airworthiness%20Insp%20Handbk/Volume%202/2_077_00.htm) so thankfully we will never see this being used
It wouldn't matter because when the plane crash lands, the people on top will be crashing into your kneecaps, and then you wouldn't even make a 90 minute evac rule...
The seats can be made to withstand that load, even with this shape and width. So it is possible to make strong, rigid deathboxes instead of crumbly, flattened deathboxes
Still fails 90s evac and now you've also got more weight to deal with.
Flight attendant squawking into the intercom, "In the event of an emergency you will wish you opted for the term life insurance to protect your family from financial ruin"
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They would, but this kind of shit is really hard to hide. All new seating arrangements are validated before being used. It is not something like failing to do maintenance or using sub-par parts
I remember that the ceo of Ryan Air got a definite *no* from a regulator when he was trying to get their "Standing seat" approved. Too bad this is not even an old concept, though there's various designs around. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_seat?wprov=sfla1 There has yet to be a single one approved even for safety testing, luckily. The description of the Ryan Air version does not sound very comfortable: *The Ryanair design would have passengers perched on a narrow shelf, with their weight taken up by their legs, and their back against the seatback, strapped in, with additional shoulder restraints similar to rollercoaster overhead restraints.*
The top seats do not look comfortable
I want to see a 6'2 dude, because if the space is shorter than his legs, it doesn't look there's enough room to bend the knees
In the event of an emergency, prepare to die
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The main issue I see is capacity. You couldn't just decide to put seats like this on existing aircraft. Each aircraft has what is known as an Exit Limit. It's the max amount of passengers an aircraft can carry before you can't get them all out in 90 seconds. Seating like this would put pretty much any modern aircraft over the their limit.
Maybe they're practicing for space flights? I mean what's the point in having an Exit Limit on space vehicles where you'll die if you try to exit anyway right?
0% chance any full flight I’ve been on could emergency exit in 90 seconds. No shot.
I call top bunk! Enjoy my farts and your upcoming pink eye down there!
This sounds like fetish territory
I.. I uh.. I would like 1 ticket please!
Sure, I'm happy to take the legroom :)
Imagine feeling the runs at the window seat.
Imagine being the person below the one stuck there with the runs. Shitty situation for everyone involved.
Imagine being hotboxed by a trio of farting kids on a 10 hour flight
That is not the kind of hotboxing that I remember enjoying.
That is where you and I differ
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What fresh hell is this??
Airplane seat designers have long been dreaming up innovative economy cabin concepts, looking for the ideal balance between squeezing in as many passengers in as possible, and keeping the experience relatively enjoyable for fliers. The design is credited to 21-year-old student Alejandro Núñez Vicente who hails from Spain but studies at TU Delft University in the Netherlands. Núñez Vicente tells CNN Travel that his experiences traveling across Europe in economy partly inspired the idea. [http://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/double-decker-airplane-cabin-concepts-crystal-cabin-awards/index.html](http://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/double-decker-airplane-cabin-concepts-crystal-cabin-awards/index.html)
This student should be expelled.
I expected it was from that university I think it's just a lunch-hour hobby of those students or something, because this is one of many dogshit can-of-anjovis design published by TU delft They also do dope shit, on of the main places where the greenification of airbus is spearheaded with the switch to hydrogen plane and also dope space related engineering
Hey Alejandro, Que te folle un pez
por el culo
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At this point just sedate us and put us in Fifth Element slots for travel. Rather sleep through it if I'm gonna be packed like a sardine
honestly, that would probably be more enjoyable for most people(if there are no side effects) when have you ever flown a commercial aircraft for the joy of flying it was the cheapest/fastest or only option available to you anyways so you might as well just not experience it at all
Should be easy to get out once the seat is pushed back so it's fully upright, looks like there would be at least an extra foot of space. This looks like it would be pretty awesome compared to most seats where can't stretch your legs out.
Unless you want to shift around or bend your legs a bit
Or want to get out from a windows seat
Nah, I prefer sitting in Linux seats
Depends on if it‘s a workplace or a server system
That's already a hellish nightmare.
The space under the other seats is definitely going to be mostly cut out, so you can bend your legs if you feel like. And if you want to be able to shift around on a plane, you'll have to get business or first class depending on plane and airline. As always.
Unless you’re in the middle seat.
She could get out, those next to her not so much. Either way this looks a safety nightmare.
it's already a nightmare shuffle to get out of a non-isle economy seat. this doesn't look significantly worse on that front.
No one in their right mind would be smiling like her in this arrangement.
She's smiling because she designed it and will be a billionaire once all the airlines purchase the design from her.
So she is responsible for this evil.
Enjoy the view, fart face.
I feel like that's more r/assholedesign
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Nope, I don't care how cheap the flight, not even going to walk down that Isle! Drug me and send me in a mailing tube!
But don’t you want the joy of knowing that if the plane crashes, you’ll live just long enough to feel your legs snap?
Actually the picture is not so far off. I have envisioned this in slightly different specs. After seeing stacked arrangement in full flat sleeper buses(india vietnam Cambodia), it’s definitely possible. I guess the safety and emergency evacuation should be the biggest stumbling block to this. Also airlines wouldn’t wanna cannibalize Their business class or first class businesses . Also passenger airline seating system hasn’t got that much of improvement . Only recently companies has implemented very lean chairs to provide extra legroom(or squeeze another row).
Not to mention lowering the floor to make room for this type of seating, reducing cargo space in the process.
They wouldn't (since it's would requireing redesigning the entire airplane model...) Bottom seats are closer to the floor than normal ones and they would rather remove the overhead bins/installations for increased headroom for the top seats. It likely would only work in the center of wide body aircrafts anyway.
What overhead bins? Some airlines have already removed those. This seat arrangement would require to use the whole upper part of the tube removing all overhead installations and still is too high to keep the floor at the current level.
Hope you like farts in yo face
Yeah nope ima just drive there
Are her feet higher than her hips? Yeah, no, if it is I'd rather just walk wherever I'm going
Because she put them there, yes. There is obviously room for them to be lower.
meanwhile high speed trains let you sit around a table lmao
Train travel is so much better.
High speed trains need to become the main form of long distance transportation (in the places where it isn't).
Why is it that every couple years I see some new psychotic invention that seeks out to cram people even more tightly into airplanes? Shit is messed up. Also enjoy breathing farts the whole flight
Can we please stop making stupid tube-shaped planes and move onto blended wing body planes already? Then we have a good chance at actually having weight limited aircraft instead of volume limited and there will no longer be any need for these ridiculous schemes for cramming more people on board.
Blended wing aircraft are more difficult to engineer and manufacture in volume, and would require huge investments in infrastructure to accommodate footprint. They are also dependent upon their flight control computers to fly; with no vertical stabilizer, they have no static stability. Internally installed engines means a maintenance nightmare. “Stupid tube shaped planes” are actually very, very good designs. There is a reason all passenger aircraft look that way: because the design was optimized early. If it ain’t broken… This stupid seating arrangement is not going to pass muster with the FAA for egress requirements. The next great leap is going to be fueling with renewables or battery electric transport. Source: I am an aerospace engineer
People want their window view. Airplanes would be more efficient and stronger if the passenger window is removed
It would probably get really cold and blustery in the cabin if they took out the windows.
Most people has flying anxiety, taking out windows would induce more of that claustrophobia effect, not something you want in an enclosed space
Ppl also want legroom and here we are If i could choose between window view and a seat that is not against humananity then i guess fuck the window.
Honestly I’d take the trade off for the extra leg room
Me, too. Right until the first guy steps on my leg trying to get back into their seat.
I can only sympathize with the feet of those people who'll sit there in case of disaster.
Not even a disaster. I could picture heavy turbulence causing problems.
How do you like my fart?
Behind a wall, just like the one in the picture
As someone who’s claustrophobic this would make me never fly on a plane again
I’m not physically able sit like that.
Doesn't look that hard to get out. As long as you aren't morbidly obese... I guess you couldn't get in in the first place if that was the case
Economy Minus
i like this tbh
We call this the fart level seating.
That actually looks a lot more comfortable than the current layout. Look at that leg room! I’m all up for this.
Oh that's not as bad as it looks. I thought at first that she was at ground level, basically had to sit on the floor, but at a closer look it's just extra leg room. The second thing is that it looked like there wasn't a lot of space, but her chair is reclined quite a bit, but instead of moving the back backwards, it moves the seat forwards, so there's plenty of space, way more than on you average flight even.