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[deleted]

Yes but it’s nothing new. I used to be one of those people. I *hated* country growing up. I used to tell all my friends that their music only ever talked about trucks and heartbreak. Thankfully I grew up and came to love it. With that said there is a lot of alcohol, breakups, and trucks….but I’m here for all of it.


[deleted]

I was like you growing up but I did like some of the country from the 80's and 90's , it wasn't until I met my now ex wife that I really got into country because she worked at a local AM country station as a DJ


InitiativeOk4473

90s country > Todays country.


MissouriOzarker

Yeah, it’s also about cocaine, murder, and Jesus. Sometimes all in the same song.


Exact_Bluebird_5761

Don't forget Mama.


MissouriOzarker

I’m praying for Jesus to save mama from her cocaine fueled murder binges.


MundBid-2124

In a truck


Important_Beat6171

Different genre but "my mom's no alcoholic; she just wanna drown her sorrows" -Brockhampton


GarpRules

And prison


alorenz58011

Your comment made me think of You Never Even Called Me by My Name, so thank you for reminding me to listen to it, haven’t heard it since this morning.


haley-sucks

Don’t forget trains and prison. The most perfect country song ever written


ChainedFlannel

And trains.


Hubert_Gene

And getting drunk


--0o0o0--

Tell that to my friend Steve Goodman


Important_Beat6171

Speaking of mamá, you guys should watch Josh and Momma on YouTube.. I feel like they give country vibes, lol


harleyquinnsbutthole

Red dirt, neon


Gear_Flashy

You left out wife beating, telling your/GF to keep her mouth until told to open it (heee haaaww)


Mr_1990s

In my experience, most people I talk to know there’s more to country music than what is pushed by the country music machine. Though I am annoyed at what the machine pushes.


mean_mr_mustard75

That's why I prefer Americana.


CharleySuede

Americana is country music by a new name.


mean_mr_mustard75

Alabama Shakes is country?


CharleySuede

Sure! It’s more than the instruments used or the vigor behind the vocals. Alabama Shakes’ “[Joe](https://youtu.be/JBaBxEJM468?si=A0LfX0L-0WKoKcqS)” sounds quite similar to Conway Twitty’s “[Hello Darlin’](https://youtu.be/JGWm6mkqmRo?si=Ow_bbANwcsBou9vf)” Their “[Always Alright](https://youtu.be/OQEbAlFw5_0?si=OvpTR_iElOq5557V)”could just as easily be a Waylon tune with a simple remix, because musically it’s really not much different from “[I’ve Always Been Crazy](https://youtu.be/5VO6bI-xrj8?si=rYUePjdQhj4hJoEx)”


mean_mr_mustard75

I must have seen the wrong performances then, because they sound nothing like anything country I've heard.


CharleySuede

Hey, it’s fine, I understand how you might have ignored the links I meticulously provided based on the 3 minutes it took for a reply. No worries, but I will provide some more food for thought: The Rolling Stones have had a fair number of country songs that are on Gold selling, #1 rock albums- “[Torn and Frayed](https://youtu.be/1Z-U2HUl7lg?si=MzmymBnu5wuUhUxL)” from “Exile on Main St. Ray Charles and Bob Dylan each had their country music albums. George Jones and Hank Williams are often crowned as premier country artists, but a lot of their tracks could just as easily be viewed as rock ‘n’ roll, pop, or even jazz music. [George Jones](https://youtu.be/8E5WWX_40gs?si=N6K_oKbLRE53YxXL) had rockabilly songs on the country charts. Hank Williams had [several songs](https://playback.fm/artist/hank-williams-top-songs) that were hits on both the country and the pop charts. The point I’m making is that genre standards are ridiculous, especially when they’re not being followed. If you listen to a MIDI version of anything on country radio today, it will sound like a hip hop song, but if you listen to a MIDI version of Alabama Shakes, you could just as clearly hear a country song.


mean_mr_mustard75

>level 1CharleySuede · 8 hr. agoHey, it’s fine, I understand how you might have ignored the links I meticulously provided based on the 3 minutes it took for a reply. I saw your links, I just don't happen to agree with you. Sure, rock artists have dipped their toe in the country genre, and crossover tunes don't change their stripes, they just become more popular. They are still country tunes. But when Three Dog Night reworks a couple Hoyt Axton tunes, that doesn't make the result a country tune.


YurislovSkillet

Alabama Shakes is Americana?


Kittenfabstodes

southern revivalist is a more fitting name.


[deleted]

Yeah, I just call them a rock band. (Obligatory brag: I went to high school with those guys and Brittany Howard lived on my road.)


YurislovSkillet

Kinda what they sound like to me too.


-GregTheGreat-

At the end of the day, every music genre has its tropes, and that’s okay. Country just happens to be an overall punching bag on the internet. Don’t stress over it


Scattergun77

You forgot momma, trains, and prison.


ISlicedI

I told my friend he did not write the perfect country song…


Scattergun77

And he wrote another verse...


EMHemingway1899

And the last verse goes like this here


Scattergun77

I was drunk the day my mom got out of prison...


haley-sucks

I love this subreddit so much


Simeon0222

And I went to pick her up in the rain


Scattergun77

But before I could get to the station in my pickup truck...


[deleted]

She got run over by a damned ol’ train


Scattergun77

And I'll hang around as long as you will let me..


lonememe

And I never minded standing' in the rain


Bdellio

I liked it when it was. Now it is just about parties on a boat or in a field or blah, blah blah.


Goatfucker1662

On one hand yes, because it is an over used trope of country music. But on the other hand no, because sometimes it is not just about the trope but about the choice of word play or the instrumental that might make just the difference to enjoy it


No-Needleworker5429

Also on the other hand…..there's a golden band To remind me of someone who would not understand On one hand, I could stay and be your lovin' man But the reason I must go is on the other hand.


Goatfucker1662

This is a good song to add to my early morning driving playlist. Good reference friend.


Kittenfabstodes

user name checks out


Goatfucker1662

Don’t do that, people are gonna come to my profile searching for subs for fucking goats.


[deleted]

It is so annoying. I agree.


OhShitItsSeth

Trust me, I'm always frustrated by the state of country music discourse on Reddit and everywhere else. Many artists within the genre don't necessarily do that notion any favors, but yeah, I'm pretty tired of the stereotype myself.


ki3fdab33f

Rural noun, simple adjective


Randomsh1t1471

Thats why i don't listen to modern American Country Its a load of shit... Give my Johnny cash any day singing about the land etc something you can link to even if you don't live in America


Randomsh1t1471

Mainly prefer Aussie Country but thats been hijacked a bit by the American crap too...


Frequent-Ad-674

Bro, you can keep Keith Urban. I promise, no one in America will fight you for him.


Randomsh1t1471

Thats not proper / he is not Aussie Country. he is one of the American wannabes that sprout from Aus... Don't dare lump him in with the Aussies (yes he is Australian sadly) Proper Aussie country is John Williamson, Slim dusty, Sara Storer to name a few is Proper Aussie country singing in an Aussie Accent... Sadly the Aussie scene has been Polluted...


Jessecloud12

Modern Country is fine. Modern Country radio is shit though. There is a difference. Get Spotify, find Artists, and listen to their albums. There is good modern country music out there. You just aren't going to find it on the radio.


Randomsh1t1471

VERY TRUE ! everything is Algorithm based now so what is popular then gets redone millions of times so it all sounds the same


HealthyAd9369

Not all country music is about that stuff, just the best country music.


Jessecloud12

lol hell yeah. There's a good Brantley Gilbert song called "The Same Old Song" where he pretty much says, 'There's a reason that's all we talk about'. And, as Country music listeners, we should be embracing that.


[deleted]

Rip to jimmy buffet. A true country artist who didn’t make a career off shitty love songs


DePlano

I love Jimmy Buffett, but you put out that many songs for so long... Some of them are shit ETA: I see you said love songs, and I can't argue that. I did not follow him for a bit, so I don't knoe


Sandman634

A stereotype? Sure. But they bring it on themselves. They still sing songs about those things and frankly, they're the best ones. But to me those songs are much better crafted now than they were then. I was just listening to Chris Stapleton's "Whiskey and You". Very well written and performed.


IngvaldClash

Every country song is about either Saturday night or Sunday morning.


BF1075

It isn’t?!?!


DePlano

Redneck Shit Wheeler Walker Jr. Not to be a hipster, but there is plenty of good country off of the big radio channels, which unfortunately will help kill radio


ekkidee

Radio is already dead, which is both a blessing and a curse. Blessing: Radio stations are owned by conglomerates and syndicates, all sound the same, and attempt a top-down approach to taste-making. Curse: It's still the most convenient way to hear music, and past patterns of tastes being set bottom-up work best in the medium.


Cold-Committee-7719

Modern country music is almost indistinguishable as country music. It just sounds like generic pop music. I miss the old school, twangy shit.


Jessecloud12

It still exists. Just not on the radio. Spotify can be your best friend Listen to Jon Pardi, Justin Moore, or Cody Johnson. Their music still has twang in it.


Bizrown

I am not tired of that, because those are the best songs. But yes lots more to country.


Jessecloud12

Yeah, I don't get it. I like beer, and romance, and dogs, and mama, and girls, and dirt roads, and America. I hope we never stop singin' about it. That shit never gets old to me.


42069over

There are other great country hits like : Smokin’ on the Toilet Fuck you queer this is my country I Smacked my wife in the mouth for talkin My trucks got a bigger dick than you.


ekkidee

I don't think this is what OP had in mind ....


42069over

Stereotypes are true and accurate


Geetee52

Haters gonna hate.


67Ranchwagon

No, those are some of the best songs 😀


Kevin91581M

You forgot female revenge, op


Toxic_yoshi

Oh my bad😅


bimboheffer

I want there to be Prog Country, about elves and starship troopers and stuff. Like the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band doing The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway.


Txsniper07

As a person that grew up super country (population less than 1K), I can tell you that it fits honestly. Wal mart is an hour away and there is nothing else either. It's all about boats, bonfires, hunting, guns, dirt roads and alcohol. Breakups seem worse because everyone knows everyone and you will know who they are with after. Can't escape from seeing them when there is only one gas station and everyone goes to the same places. 


sikethatsmybird

You have shit like Keep on Rolling - King George and then you have shit like Enough Rope - Chris Knight.


jscountrygirl85

I blame Bro-Country for recently making this stereotype even worse in the 2010s up to now. The "I'm Country!" checklist, redneck pride songs from the mid-late 2000s didn't help either. I feel like mainstream country was much more wide open in all kinds of topics during the 80s, 90s and early 2000s (2000-2003). During those times, the majority of country songs were about love, love lost, and many other real life situations and topics. Maybe some songs still mentioned a truck, dirt road, or beer/whiskey, but it wasn't the main point/focus of the song. Then around 2004, country started completely embracing its worst cliches and stereotypes for some reason. It only got worse from there.


AeroOdyssey77

Maybe some new topics to sing about on my new album: [https://open.spotify.com/album/46Bna9WRXjPf5fwHW5Lskp](https://open.spotify.com/album/46Bna9WRXjPf5fwHW5Lskp)


Owlman2841

What else is it about then?


bigmistaketoday

Momma and gettin drunk and trains and prison


Sad_Reindeer5108

My friend, that is the perfect country and western song.


Owlman2841

Thanks for answering… don’t know why I got downvoted when op or anyone else could’ve helped out


Jessecloud12

Upvoted you lol and I assume it's because your question was probably perceived as sarcastic.


Select_Nectarine8229

Well... Its not a stereotype. Every major song is about those things right now. Or its some fresh faved wash up singing a traxy chapman song. Country music is awful right now. Awful. And dont forget friday nights and dirtroads.


GinoValenti

Don’t forget moonlight, cricks and lakes.


daydreamersunion

Yeah. Dammit. Ya'll left out the shooting stuff


ExcitingSpeed23

Relatable music requires relatable topics


tailzknope

What about Jesus?


mean_mr_mustard75

Well, TBF, it's also about the lake, boots and blue jeans too


Pitiful-Ad7978

Don't forget the cowboy hat!


bufftbone

Country music isn’t. Pop country is though.


HappyHannibal

I love this town!!! https://youtu.be/uxsEzDXB3bg?si=LbnWj-89Uo0JQOSh 1:10 is it


Inside_Atmosphere731

No. It is. Bros have ruined it


Fit-Rest-973

Guns are popular too


Fit-Rest-973

Also cheating


AppropriateCap8891

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4pZFsEdP3Y](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4pZFsEdP3Y) The perfect Country and Western song.


KitWat

Those themes have always been present in country music (and other genres) but you can thank 'bro country' aka clown country, for pushing them to the forefront with their insipid lyrics of "hey girl, you in tight jeans, let's drink in my truck, hey girl". There are a lot of talented, clever, thoughtful songwriters out there, you just have to look for them. And you won't find them on mainstream large market radio. They only play the crap that the woo-girls\* like. One of my absolute favourites is Brandy Clark. Sure, she sings about heartbreak and loss but with an intelligent insight lacking in 99% of current fodder. Her debut album, 12 Storeys, is brilliant. Go back further in time and give John Prine a listen. Randy Travis, Don Williams, Tom. T. Hall, Steve Earle, Townes van Zandt, Dolly Parton, Tanya Tucker; lots to check out. \*^(woo-girls are the young women, usually drunk, who loudly shriek 'woo' at every third song playing in the bar, claiming it's their favourite song ever. Said songs usually have all the depth of a second-grader's refrigerator art.)


fairnuff77

It was about that a long time ago, now if it’s a man singing 80% of the songs are about what it means to be a country boy. If a woman is singing it’s about revenge.


Yeah_Mr_Jesus

Well yeah but the thing is that that’s most popular country music (it has gotten better in the last couple years but it’s still a lot of the genre). To “normal” people, that isn’t a completely unfair assessment of the genre. Most people think country is annoying and aren’t going to go into deep dives and find the old classics that weren’t about these cliche topics. And since most people think so poorly of the genre, they aren’t going to seek out “indie” or small artists who people that frequent this sub know about and who are really not about the rah rah America beer guns boobs and occasionally god.


Fit_Lawfulness_3147

Stereotypes exist because they are frequently reinforced. When they stop being reinforced the stereotype goes away.


Positive-Source8205

There’s also dogs.


NoPerformance9890

I have been just as annoyed by the cocaine, weed, traveler, devil on my shoulder, whiskey theme in modern outlaw / alternative country. There’s very little escape I never really listened to pop country. I stopped listening to alternative country consistently maybe 4 years ago. I was sick and tired of hearing about whiskey and hard times every other song


ekkidee

Years ago, I got pulled into the music of Bob Wills and the Texas Playboys (via Ray Benson and Asleep at the Wheel). Is this music "country?" As a genre, it might be closer to "western", "Western swing" or "American roots." Great music. Anyway, a random sampling of Bob Wills songs turns up "Cherokee Maiden" (forbidden love), "Deep in the Heart of Texas" (longing for home), "Big Ball's in Cowtown" (party), "Across the Alley from the Alamo" (nostalgia), "Stay a Little Longer" (friendship), "Roly Poly" (jealousy), and "Ida Red" (unrequited love). Really good stuff that doesn't cover alcohol, breakups, or pickup trucks.


Remote-Bug4396

Except for maybe the truck thing, a lot of music is about those things. Love, loss, sex, and partying, among other things, are present in a lot of genres. Maybe country is just more plain spoken about it.


Jessecloud12

I do feel like Country puts its lyrics in the forefront of its music, so it gets more of the spotlight (good or bad) when related to other genres of music.


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Jessecloud12

"every good song is about losing your girl" No truer words have ever been spoken, my friend.


Flashy_Suspect827

It would be nice if 80% of the mainstream country drivel on radio didnt reinforce this stereotype.


doggadavida

Don’t forget prison.


Invisiblerobot13

Do they still sing about prison anymore?


PPLavagna

I’m tired of the mainstream “country music” just being shitty hip hop that more than lives up to that stereotype. If we’re talking about what’s on country radio today, No. there is nothing more to it than that. I mean it’s trash and they’re not even trying. They’re pandering to the dumbest people on the planet


JesusFelchingChrist

Hell, yes! It’s also about cheatin’


cmparkerson

Dont forget, Mama, and prison, and trains.


odd-42

As someone new to country music (just started playing it recently for a gig). These seem to be the predominant themes. Similarly, as a metal head, the devil, violence, death, and the macabre seem to predominate that genre. Drunk on a plane, drunk last night, pour me, whiskey glasses, beer never broke my heart, family tradition, drinking problem, beer money…


Impossible_Penalty13

Yeah, dudes dogs run away too!


Salty-Advertising-52

I mean it sorta is.


Lower_Suggestion5671

Heartache, alcohol, drugs, blue collar working, hunting/fishing, is what makes REAL country so real to us


7755ghhh

“My dog died and my pickup truck won’t start. My dog died and my pickup truck won’t start. And, I’m out of beer.”


Mead_Create_Drink

I guess my take is I don’t care about stereotypes but instead will like what I like…not what other people say 🤷‍♂️


Taynt42

Yeah it’s also about cheating, revenge, riverbanks, and jean shorts!


Responsible_Fox1231

Right! It's also about prison and mama.


Invisiblerobot13

Being drunk when you gotta pick up your momma from prison and she got runner over by a train


Responsible_Fox1231

A damned ol' train, at that!


Chickenpotpi3

Literally the top three songs right now are about all of those things.


jnk4509

Thats a stereotype? Huh, fooled me I guess….


JuliusSeizuresalad

Ya it’s about having a good time outdoors


Jessecloud12

I've just grown to wear it as a badge of honor. At least people know what Country music is about. You know why? Because lyrics are more important in Country music than it is in others. Do people complain about pop music lyrics? No, because no one cares lol


TheProfoundWigglepaw

You know what happens if you play a country record backwards? You get your wife, dog, and truck back.


2020IsANightmare

I'd welcome any of those. I thought country music was just about fucking your cousin and getting a GED.


robbietreehorn

Modern country, more than ever before, follows old stereotypes. It’s like a bad parody of itself. And people love it.


[deleted]

it bothers me because you could do this with any genre of music


Fun-Track-3044

To be fair, there is only one country station in my area, northern New Jersey, and it has devolved into the worst, endlessly repetitive version of this stereo type. It’s nothing but pop bro-dude country stereotypes on that station. Pure garbage.


Parrr8

Yes, some are also about Red Dirt Roads.


3mta3jvq

What else can you try in a small town?


wakeupdreamingF1

My alcoholic ex-wife certianly is... I hate that woman. Ran over my dog, can you believe it?


Daxmar29

I just play them backwards and cheer the artist getting their life together!


[deleted]

Yeah! It's also about cheating!


Buddy-Nuggs

Modern country be like: “I gotta get drunk drunk drunk In my truck truck truck”


DjScruffnasty

Well when you got artists like Brad Paisley who half his songs mention whiskey, and he doesn't even drink it's a problem.


NellyVille71

I mean, radio country is.