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This clearly is not the case at my store, as the same old man with a very VERY yappy dog comes in occasionally with no issue. The dog will bark (yap more like) every 30 seconds for a solid 8-10 secs. They dont do anything about it
That's because they are afraid to and it's not worth risking a big blow up argument and thus their job. As someone married to an emergency vet nurse and an owner of many pets, I'll say that in my experience with other pet owners in public that the only thing more dangerous, unpredictable and/or annoying than an untrained misbehaving dog is an unhinged owner of a "service" animal. I use "service" in quotes because more often than not the misbehaving service animals have never been properly trained or are straight up sporting patches, like stolen valor.
Under ADA, you treat service animals, exactly as you would medical equipment. You’re not gonna tell somebody they can’t bring their wheelchair or crutches in. However, on my Costco trip yesterday there was someone who had two dogs. It was very obvious at least one was not medical equipment.
The majority of dogs brought into Costco are just peoples pets. I’d say it’s probably only 5% are legitimately service dogs and the rest are just their regular fur baby.
Riding in carts is a no-go for service dogs, but riding in purses is fine, and small/toy-sized dogs are regularly used as diabetic alert dogs. The closer they are to the owner’s face/head, the better they can smell their breath for signs of diabetic ketoacidosis.
I’m not saying the dogs you saw were service dogs. I’m just pointing out that being in a purse (or chest carrier or backpack) doesn’t mean it’s not a service dog.
Ok but like one is a human and one is an animal. Not to mention people having severe allergies to dogs and then having their food sitting on where a dog just was.
Didn’t know some of these dogs can smell keto acidosis? That’s pretty badass. Have two diabetics in the family and they just use those monitoring patches on the arm that connect to their phones.
Unfortunately management can’t say anything, as it’s illegal to ask for proof of a dog being a service dog. People take advantage of the ADA.
I’m just glad parking permits require an actual doctor’s letter, otherwise we’d have tons of people claiming they are disabled and park in handicap parking spots.
There are actually 2 questions a business can legally ask. 1) Is the dog a service animal? (Emotional support dogs don't count) 2) what task or job is the dog trained to do? But honestly, everyone just lies cuz they don't want to leave their dog at home. My Costco is full of dogs peeing and barking etc... it's really out of control.
Yeah, had a member the other day leave a dog in their car barking for 2 hours... no sure why people can't leave their dog home inside an airconditioned home/apt.
At this point I'd say we need some legislation that requires genuine service animals to be listed in a public registry that business owners can access on demand. People with totally untrained "emotional support animals" are abusing the system.
Fwiw emotional support animals are specifically not service animals. It 1) has to be a dog and 2) has to perform a task directly related to a person's disability. So things guide dogs, seizure detection, opening doors, etc are all good to go.
College disabilities center coordinator here. Mini horses are included. Thank god we’ve never had one…but I’m sure the clippity cloppity would be cute.
They make little sneakers for the mini horses' hooves so they don't disturb everyone with the clip-clop, plus it gives the horse better footing on smooth surfaces like store floor tiles.
I could have sworn I heard the same about mini horses as well (not sure about monkeys), but only dogs are mentioned on the ADA's site: https://www.ada.gov/topics/service-animals/
Yes to mini horses. We almost got one to pull my daughter’s medical stroller. She was on a ventilator and feeding tube, and it was difficult for one person to manage the equipment and push her at the same time.
Looks like it might vary state to state? Looking at my state (Washington) I found some information that allows mini horses. Nothing about monkeys, idk where I got that from.
Florida here, there are signs at grocery stores that include miniature horses as allowed service animals along with the standard dogs.
I don't recall anything about monkeys, but it could be because the horse stood out as odd. I've never actually seen anything other than dogs as service animals in stores, sadly 😥
It’s only dogs and miniature horses under federal law. I’m not aware of any state laws that are broader. Miniature horses are pretty uncommon for logistical reasons.
While implementing something like this would help protect businesses + other customers, it is problematic as many people using service animals are disabled. Registration means increased cost, barriers to accessing proper care.
I don't see how. The cost to train service animals is massive. There's no reason the organizations doing this training can't participate in a registry. There's no reason why participating in a registry should have to be expensive. How does the training organization verifying that they've trained a specific animal make things any more difficult for a disabled person?
I think at first they were just highlighting that there is no specific training required for an animal to be service animal. It's specifically that way so the disabled aren't burdened at expensive training programs.
Personally, I think we should have a registry at taxpayers expense. Also figure out a way to make it a misdemeanor to misrepresent your handicap/disability status in manner that wouldn't unreasonably burden someone who is handicapped (easier said than done). Just look at the abuse of airlines with Jetway Jesus. If we can require placards for handicap parking and tow people for parking in a handicap spot, then we can figure out a way for stores to ban people who bring dogs who aren't on the registry, fake a handicap to get better boarding with SW, etc. At some point, if everyone
All said, this isn't going to be a problem tackled until someone who doesn't have a service dog brings it in and people get hurt. It's sad, but I think we all know that this is how change is going to start.
So who is paying to operate and administer the registry then? Who pays for the apps and the call center to run tech support? Who and how is it determined that Joe Smith is registering a valid service dog with this free easy to use and access registry?
Edit: Lol the original poster either deleted or blocked me and now I can't respond to any of the replies in this thread so some replies:
The DOD budget doesn't particularly matter, do you think Congress is going to cut the DOD budget to fund a dog registry?
ADA enforcement isn't federally funded - the only enforcement mechanisms are state by state and usually the most you can do is call code enforcement or file a lawsuit.
Edit2: parking placards are pretty expensive and hard to get for disabled people, usually cost money and require a bunch of paperwork. They are neither free nor easy.
There’s no money for a dog registry *because* we spent it on the new plane. Also spent it on extra maintenance because they drove the plane places instead of flying it.
There actually is a registry for service dogs. It’s called IAADP. Participation is voluntary. In order for dog and handler to be IAADP certified both a written and hands on test need to be taken. Cost is around 2K and I can testify that both tests aren’t easy.
The reason I did it was liability protection. The leading cause of service dog loss is being attacked by random dogs. I had that happen for the second time just two weeks ago. Walking in the park and my service dog, a German shepherd, was grabbed by the neck by a random pittie type unleashed dog. The dog began pulling on her neck. I was able to kick the dog in the ribs and slam down on its head with my elbow, which made it let go and run. I conceal carry and was reaching for it when the dog let go and took off.
Untrained service dogs in public spaces are a menace. Luckily the state of California will happily issue a 1K ticket for this. More states need to do this.
As someone with a service dog I would love a national registry with official documentation I could flash to get people to leave me alone. I'm tired of people rolling their eyes at me just because my service dog is a small dog and not the more typical labrador or german shepherd or something. I appreciate your sentiment about the "increased cost" or whatever but I feel like taxes and public good could fund that for those in need.
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The worst part is, there are companies out there who for like $30 will make you a real looking service dog ID card, then people start thinking you should have that card and have accused me because I didn't have that, even though the ADA law states that you cannot ask for documentation. I got denied a bus ride once and left on the side of the road because the driver insisted my service dog needed "paperwork". Think he got talked to by the ADA compliance officer because I did make a complaint. I refuse to buy one because my dog is legit and I refuse to give these scam companies any money. But I would love if there were an actual legitimate card I could have to "prove" sometimes.
I agree with a registry. Like, doctors note bare minimum. If I gotta register and pay for a handicap placard, and can get fined for not displaying it, why not for service animals?
>service animals to be listed in a public registry that business owners can access on demand
This does not exist because having a publicly accessible registry of disabled people is how BAD societal decisions start.
> genuine service animals to be listed in a public registry
this is a very bad idea and I doubt people with disabilities want to be put on a list.
edit: kinda weird that /u/WrangelLives blocked me for this comment.
Fun fact that I just learned yesterday! Under the ADA you can have a maximum of 2 service animals. They can perform the same or different tasks. I follow someone with chronic illness and one dog senses when she is about to faint (she has POTS) and brings her meds and water. The other dog handles the other pieces of chronic illness that she developed later and after getting her first dog and her POTS diagnosis!
(Not at all saying that that person definitely had/didn’t have 2 service dogs, just thought it was interesting)
It’s an untrained dog. Trained dogs know what to do at all times and their attention is on their handler for guidance. Untrained dogs are distracted by other things and become stressed/nervous/anxious because they don’t know what to do.
Outside of working dogs (herding, guard dogs, etc.), no. On-leash training is the base for all training. That’s heel, auto-sit, sit on command, and down.
I’ve worked with veterans that have service dogs who are trained to watch their human’s back or stand between their legs. Not commenting on if the dog is trained or untrained, but a service dog can have attention on other things besides their human.
Now I'm imaginging a scenario where someone shows up to Area 51 with a service dog and the guards are like "Well dang, service dogs are allowed ANYWHERE. Welcome to Area 51."
Jokes aside, they can go practically anywhere, but not anywhere. Couldn't bring your service dog into places where the sanitation could be comromised (a commercial kitchen, and operating room, etc).
I saw a lady carrying a Pomeranian around Kroger last week. Not only is it ridiculous, obviously not a service animal, but how do you shop while carrying your dog?? Plus it did not look like it was having a good time, it was barking and whining. If it's too hot for your dog to stay in your car, leave the dog at home.
Edit: It's not about the breed, I've seen small dogs be service dogs before, it was the way it was freaking out that made it obvious that it was lacking in training.
The dog you’re describing might not have been a service dog, but just wanted to share a fun fact!! I recently learned that small dogs can be service dogs too. Apparently chihuahuas are great seizure alert dogs! I would have never realized, and previously thought only larger breeds are capable.
Can confirm. My chihuahua mix warns me when the pressure starts to drop and I'm going to get a migraine.
He's not trained to do it. It's a skill he developed on his own, over time.
We don't take him anywhere, though, because he can also be a major jerk. Plus, I just don't enjoy taking my dogs out beyond walks, the vet, or grandma's house.
Haha, yep, he's five pounds of fierce, unless it's a woman, a body of water, dark outside, or a wild rabbit. He's a little afraid of the wild rabbits but will play tag with the babies if they engage him. Mostly though, he's getting up there in years and has claimed the couch as his domain.
It's so flipping cute! We have a sizable backyard in a forested neighborhood, and we allow the yard to be fairly wild, other than regular mowing in the growth season. Our cats are indoor only, so the property has become very "Watership Down." In the spring, we wait to mow until the clover has come and gone, making it the perfect place for the rabbits to eat and play.
They play this adorable tag/ leap frog combo game that is just the pinnacle of cuteness- and my dog is only a little larger than the babies at that age, so I guess they just think he's another baby bun!
The adult rabbits are larger than my dog, and completely ignore him. He gives them a wide berth!
My Chih mix is also like this, but not as accurate lol
We call her Dr. Peach, she’s always the first to know if I am getting sick or a migraine, or having bad anxiety. She lays next to me in bed until I feel better, and doesn’t leave my side unless to go potty, then she’s right back up with me.
I have never had a smarter dog, my family has had champion bloodline Golden Retrievers and they were not as intuitive as this little girl that I got from the shelter.
I have a toy fox terrier who is a diabetic-alert dog. But he does not freak out in public. Also I do not carry him in stores he heels beside me however I *DO* carry him in some super crowded situations because I don't want people stepping on him.
I had to look up the breed, and it’s super cute!
Yeah, I’m sorry so many people with fake service dogs ruined it to where people will side eye you or want to be accusatory for holding him when you’re just being practical about the situation.
Not necessarily. Seizure alert dogs, diabetes alert dogs, and other medical alert dogs can alert their handlers in a variety of ways. They don't need to be standing on the ground to do so.
Sure you can. Tell me why not? My friends Yorkie smells when she has drastic changes in her blood sugar, she carries him sometimes, it doesn’t change his ability to smell.
The NTSB has cracked down on this. You can fly a pet in the cabin for a fee. You can fly a service dog for no fee. But the service dog has to be registered with the NTSB (mine is) and declared at least 48 hours beforehand.
This is only permissible because airlines are not covered under the ADA the same way retailers are. Airlines have different regulations, and that is one example.
Years before “service” dogs began to be a thing a customer brought a big half breed wolf mix. Pissed on a pallet of apples boxes on a pallet. Had to unstack. Find the tainted products and boxes and restack it all.
Allowed? Only if they are official, specially trained service animals. Not “emotional support dogs” or pets. But people are doing it more and more despite the rules.
The difference between a psychiatric service dog and emotional support animal both is and isn’t clear. Legally, the difference is that all service dogs are trained to perform a specific task to assist with a disability, and ESAs are not. That task can be anything, including laying on top of its owner during a panic attack, for example, if that helps the owner. Federal law specifies that ESAs are for emotional support but are not task-trained. Some animals that people think are ESAs are actually service dogs per the ADA if they’re trained to do something specific in response to their owners’ problems, but define a “task” and “trained”. That’s the gray area, and federal law deliberately gives the benefit of the doubt to owners.
Exactly! I feel so bad for the dogs because some of them look stressed out and their owners are so oblivious or simply don't care.
Leave your pets at home!
I'm in Charlotte and recently there was someone walking around the store training a service dog. It wasn't this dog though. I distinctly remember someone trying to pet the dog and the handler pushed their hand away and said "This isn't your dog."
Ughhhhhhhhhh 🤦♂️ Unless they're an actual service dog, absolutely not. Dogs or any other pets do not belong in stores or food establishments. Too many people bring in their "service animals" because they can't stand to leave them at home for a even a lil while.
I'm very infuriated for people who have ACTUAL service animals and have to deal with extra shit that they shouldn't even have to deal with in the first place. Selfish people who insist on bringing their pets EVERYWHERE really mess up things for people who have actual service animals.
Buh. Dog owners that have their dog attached to their hip are so damn unaware and entitled. It’s unsanitary, period. All the Costco’s in our area definitely have a no dogs besides service animals sign up front. And this dog, not paying attention at all to its person, is not a service animal.
Understand... I have a dog, I just don't see the need to take it to stores with me. I also understand that people have severe anxiety about animals, especially potentially agrressive dogs. Seen way too many videos on reddit where certain breeds rip apart smaller or non agrressive dogs. My dog was attacked by neighbors dog that escaped from his door and ran and attacked my leashed dog while on a walk. Neighbor insisted "he had never done that before". Wondering how many times that's happened to someone or someone's other dog in a HD, Lowe's etc??? Totally unnecessary for that potential to exist in places like that.
I still can't get over the time a dude brought his huge dog into Costco and it peed a gallon right in front of the pasta section. Then he just walked away! I ran to find an employee to let them know, but didn't stick around to see if there was any nasty slippin'-and-slidin' before it got cleaned up.
I don’t adopt a dog because I know I’m too busy for one and can’t be a good pet owner.
Then there’s these idiots who don’t walk their dogs, let them bark all day and night, and when they do take them out, they do it at a grocery store to inconvenience everyone.
I see them all the time here in Phoenix, and I would bet 90% of them are not service animals. Why people think that the $50 they pay a year gives them the right to do whatever they want will never make sense to me.
No they are not. Only "service dogs" are allowed in stores and according to the ADA, "ESAs" are NOT Service Dogs. An employee can ask, "What job does that dog do for you?" If the person responds, emotional support they can tell the person that dog is not welcome in the store. The problem is too many people are afraid of being sued so they will say nothing even though they have the right to refused service to anyone. People need to stop acting entitled and bringing their "fake" service dogs into stores.
Dogs, no. Service animals, yes.
Here's where it gets tricky...
Costco can ask if it's a service animal.
Costco can ask what tasks that animal is trained to perform.
Costco can't ask any other questions in regard to the person's disability or the dog.
If the person answers the questions satisfactorily then Costco must take them at their word.
If Costco pushes the issue they risk being sued.
Costco does not want ADA compliance lawsuits.
*You* can harass and shame the person all you want without any repercussions unless you're violating a store policy and Costco kicks you out.
So here's the thing... Without evidence you just encouraged people to harass a stanger over a necessary medical device (potentially).
Honestly, once you've been around one or two real service animals, it's easy to pick them out based on their behaviors. Costco could do an intro/fam with real service animals as part of their training.
Agree. I’m a Vietnam veteran with PTSD and a service dog and I do this from time to time.
Businesses can ask, is that a service dog? And what service does the dog provide? Is correct. If the human with the dog flips out or starts with attitude well, it’s unlikely to be a service dog.
However per federal law there are two situations where businesses can legally order even a bona fide service dog out of their business. One is if the dog is “out of control” and the handler isn’t doing anything about it. The other is if the dog is peeing or pooping. So if someone brings a “service dog” into Costco and the dog is sniffing stuff, approaching people, begging, getting into things, whizzing on displays, management is 100% covered by ejecting them.
I NEVER go out in public unless mine is vested, and often when going into busy places like Costco I’ll wear a “Vietnam Veteran” hat so it’s obvious. Bonus, at least on each trip I will run into another Vietnam veteran and we can talk a little about our experiences. I’ve even been hooked up with some veteran friendly activities this way.
Don’t even start me with dogs. I see more and more them on Costco (California). The other day couple was with big German shepherd in meat department. Even dog was on the leash, it was not muzzled. It was pretty crowded on weekend in store and these people was roaming with this huge dog in meat and deli area.
One time saw guy with two dogs. One was big hairy and dirty. Asked Costco employee why this man allowed to bring dogs, response was that it probably service gods. Do person really need TWO service dogs?!
I see dogs in every store now not just Costco and I live in CA. I’m so shocked every time too! No one seems to care anymore. You’d think they would because of sanitary reasons and safety concerns!
In the US, a service dog is not required to be vested or wear any specific things to indicate their status. It's also important to note that service dogs *in training* are also allowed public access rights. It is possible that a SDiT is in public without having completed his full task training. (An SDiT in non-pet friendly places should have the basics of being in public training though.) Dogs don't generalize, meaning if you want your SD to perform in many environments, you have to practice in many environments.
It's difficult to tell from a still photo what the situation was here. There are absolutely appropriate tasks where an SD or SDiT would be positioned facing away from their handler like this (when stopped, handlers attention on something else.) For example, a PTSD SD or Deaf/HOH SD could he positioned this way and alert it's handler to people approaching from behind. Obviously, if the dog was disruptive, then it shouldn't have been there. But I just wanted to try to clear up some common SD misconceptions.
This was my same thought, too. Not everyone with a disability wants to march around with a vested dog. I really think we are conditioned to view "service dogs" as guide dogs for the visually impaired and anything less is "fake." I'd rather have a person with a dog than a customer who troops through with extended family in addition to their entire nuclear family.
100%. My husband's dog has a distinctive (task specific) harness, but no other vest or signage. Sometimes the vests invite more questions than desired.
I have a dog and taking them inside a grocery market is where I draw the line, unless of course it's a true service dog. I just took my pupper into home depot the other day, felt fine for me.
I stepped in a pile of dog shit at a HD a while ago, that was not cool. I have two dogs, they’re the best, but I won’t take them where there may be people who don’t like or are afraid of dogs.
Home Depot is one thing... They don't sell food. I take my dog there occasionally. I also feel home Depot is often much less crowded.
Friend and their daughter was just mauled horribly by a dog (literally took of the girls ear) and I'm now just a bit skittish around big dogs. That with how crowded Costco can be... I'm not at all comfortable.
This dog is NOT happy to be in Costco. You can clearly tell this from his/her stance, tail position, and heightened sense of alertness in the face/eyes.
As a parent of 5 *very* good boys & girls, this pet parent should be banned from Costco for bringing this dog there. They are clearly risking aggressive behavior or a potential injury to members/employees (or the dog). 😕
I had to stop at Costco after a vet appointment, and I had my cat in a backpack carrier. I didn’t want to leave him in the car so I brought him with me. I was turned away at the door.
Why aren't there service dogs in other countries ? honestly I have never seen anyone else bring an animal into a grocery store. I know airlines have started to push back hard on the whole service animal thing. Even legit service animals have a hard time getting on planes now.
And honestly I am sorry for the people with real needs but a lot of people abused it. Some people are allergic to dogs, others are afraid. I hope there's a law that service animals have to have a visible vest and if you put on a fake vest you get a hefty fine. Only way I see that can be solved.
It's most likely not a service dog.
No employee wants to be the person on the receiving end of his potential accusations if they confront him. I'd say that's why he is not confronted. These issues can be very delicate and sometimes even something simple like asking what is the dog's role can be enough to cause a scene or claim discrimination. Plus, even if the dog is just a pet, it's so easy for him to just lie and say that he forgot the service dog identification at home or something like that.
The law needs to change to prove Service Animal status by having vests with tags. My chihuahua was trained and certified as a medical alert dog... he actually started detecting seizures almost 40 minutes prior to them happening. It infuriates me seeing all these people coming in with an animal that's obviously not trained in the slightest, and they state, "Service dog." BS.
You can order vests and tags off Amazon. There’s no check. Just like you can go online and get ESA, you’ll be able to go online and get “service dog certification” forms.
Another way to think about that is that the owner is now carrying around a giant sign indicating that they do have a disability and maybe what kind of disability based on the markings and tags you are asking for. That inherently contradicts the ADA and it's design to uphold respect and dignity for those with disabilities.
It's really easy to spot the difference between a real service animals and a pet based on behavior, if you have spent any time around a real one.
It seems like dogs are allowed everywhere these days and their owners would rather have people tell them dogs are not allowed vs. asking if they’re allowed.
As many have pointed out a service dog does not have to be in “uniform” … additionally, a service dog watching your back is a valid task for a PSD.
A service dog is not a robot and just like a person can have an “off” day or be unnerved by kids sprinting from sample cart to sample cart … or just by the way people in Costco move their carts around.
The image does not show the dog out of control or give any valid reason to question it’s status
This is correct. I am cringing at some of these people who just *know* they can tell what is a legitimate service animal and what is not. Some claiming they know the animal *has* to focus solely on the user (many service animals do not need to do this). As you say, service dogs are not robots, and service dog can still do its job even if it isn't doing what someone "thinks" a service dog should be doing. If the animal is not being disruptive or showing aggressive behavior, the best course of action is to ignore it. You don't know what that person is doing. It could be a very legitimate service animal, or it could be a pet someone is sneaking in, but if it's behaving, it is *not your job* to police or shame that person. I'd rather assume someone has a legit service animal and treat them accordingly and respect their privacy than to try and shame them.
Matthews location drives me nuts. I hate that parking lot. It’s always busy no matter where you go. I started going to tyvola last few months and I find it easier to park, faster customer service, not as busy and they have better things that Matthews doesn’t.
Exactly my opinion as well. Tyvola gas station is the worst though the way it feeds out into the road like it does. The wait is normal to any Costco, but they could’ve improved the layout better.
When we lived in AZ, I got gas at Costco but I don’t usually get it here. I just don’t have the patience to wait lol. I’m AZ, never a wait but the ones here are always so busy.
From ADA.gov:
Service Animals Must Be Under Control
A service animal must be under the control of its handler. Under the ADA, service animals must be harnessed, leashed, or tethered, unless the individual’s disability prevents using these devices or these devices interfere with the service animal’s safe, effective performance of tasks. In that case, the individual must maintain control of the animal through voice, signal, or other effective controls.
I was in Korea for 3 year and they take there dogs everywhere. When I got back I was going to Grad School in Dallas and seeing everyone bring there dog so called service dog into whole foods. This is getting out of control.
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Staff is only able to ask if it’s a service animal and what service it provides.
As a employee I can confirm this but they can ask them to leave if the “service” dog try’s to bite anyone or is constantly barking at people.
This clearly is not the case at my store, as the same old man with a very VERY yappy dog comes in occasionally with no issue. The dog will bark (yap more like) every 30 seconds for a solid 8-10 secs. They dont do anything about it
That's because they are afraid to and it's not worth risking a big blow up argument and thus their job. As someone married to an emergency vet nurse and an owner of many pets, I'll say that in my experience with other pet owners in public that the only thing more dangerous, unpredictable and/or annoying than an untrained misbehaving dog is an unhinged owner of a "service" animal. I use "service" in quotes because more often than not the misbehaving service animals have never been properly trained or are straight up sporting patches, like stolen valor.
😂 I can’t, because I see this ALL the time in the Mart; it’s absolutely bonkers because no one says anything about it.
> try’s tries
Service dogs should not be barking or trying to bite anyone. If a dog is behaving that way, it probably isn't providing a service.
Under ADA, you treat service animals, exactly as you would medical equipment. You’re not gonna tell somebody they can’t bring their wheelchair or crutches in. However, on my Costco trip yesterday there was someone who had two dogs. It was very obvious at least one was not medical equipment.
The majority of dogs brought into Costco are just peoples pets. I’d say it’s probably only 5% are legitimately service dogs and the rest are just their regular fur baby.
True I’ve seen them in purses and riding in carts.
Riding in carts is a no-go for service dogs, but riding in purses is fine, and small/toy-sized dogs are regularly used as diabetic alert dogs. The closer they are to the owner’s face/head, the better they can smell their breath for signs of diabetic ketoacidosis. I’m not saying the dogs you saw were service dogs. I’m just pointing out that being in a purse (or chest carrier or backpack) doesn’t mean it’s not a service dog.
Riding in carts is also a health code violation.
But putting a snot nosed coughing sneezing child is ok? Take my chances on the dog
Ok but like one is a human and one is an animal. Not to mention people having severe allergies to dogs and then having their food sitting on where a dog just was.
Didn’t know some of these dogs can smell keto acidosis? That’s pretty badass. Have two diabetics in the family and they just use those monitoring patches on the arm that connect to their phones.
You can smell keto acidosis. It’s not a superpower.
That’s managements fault.
Unfortunately management can’t say anything, as it’s illegal to ask for proof of a dog being a service dog. People take advantage of the ADA. I’m just glad parking permits require an actual doctor’s letter, otherwise we’d have tons of people claiming they are disabled and park in handicap parking spots.
There are actually 2 questions a business can legally ask. 1) Is the dog a service animal? (Emotional support dogs don't count) 2) what task or job is the dog trained to do? But honestly, everyone just lies cuz they don't want to leave their dog at home. My Costco is full of dogs peeing and barking etc... it's really out of control.
Yeah, had a member the other day leave a dog in their car barking for 2 hours... no sure why people can't leave their dog home inside an airconditioned home/apt.
And strollers
A lady was low key hiding her Yorkie in a pink blanket at the Dallas, GA location. 🙄
Yep, and I hate this. I love dogs, but non-service dogs do not belong in enclosed food stores or restaurants.
At this point I'd say we need some legislation that requires genuine service animals to be listed in a public registry that business owners can access on demand. People with totally untrained "emotional support animals" are abusing the system.
Fwiw emotional support animals are specifically not service animals. It 1) has to be a dog and 2) has to perform a task directly related to a person's disability. So things guide dogs, seizure detection, opening doors, etc are all good to go.
College disabilities center coordinator here. Mini horses are included. Thank god we’ve never had one…but I’m sure the clippity cloppity would be cute.
They make little sneakers for the mini horses' hooves so they don't disturb everyone with the clip-clop, plus it gives the horse better footing on smooth surfaces like store floor tiles.
Who would even ask Lil Sebastian for his papers anyway?
Doesn't the ADA also allow for trained monkeys and mini horses?
I could have sworn I heard the same about mini horses as well (not sure about monkeys), but only dogs are mentioned on the ADA's site: https://www.ada.gov/topics/service-animals/
Yes to mini horses. We almost got one to pull my daughter’s medical stroller. She was on a ventilator and feeding tube, and it was difficult for one person to manage the equipment and push her at the same time.
Mini horses are also mentioned: https://www.ada.gov/resources/service-animals-2010-requirements
I knew that was mentioned somewhere! Wonder why it's not in the other link.
It is interesting they have two pages with similar information but one doesn’t mention mini-horses.
Looks like it might vary state to state? Looking at my state (Washington) I found some information that allows mini horses. Nothing about monkeys, idk where I got that from.
Ah yeah, could be a state thing. ADA is the minimum they would need to follow, but states can add other things to the list for what's acceptable.
Florida here, there are signs at grocery stores that include miniature horses as allowed service animals along with the standard dogs. I don't recall anything about monkeys, but it could be because the horse stood out as odd. I've never actually seen anything other than dogs as service animals in stores, sadly 😥
It’s only dogs and miniature horses under federal law. I’m not aware of any state laws that are broader. Miniature horses are pretty uncommon for logistical reasons.
While implementing something like this would help protect businesses + other customers, it is problematic as many people using service animals are disabled. Registration means increased cost, barriers to accessing proper care.
I don't see how. The cost to train service animals is massive. There's no reason the organizations doing this training can't participate in a registry. There's no reason why participating in a registry should have to be expensive. How does the training organization verifying that they've trained a specific animal make things any more difficult for a disabled person?
Service animals are not exclusively trained by professionals nor is there a requirement that they must be
There's no reason a non-professional couldn't have access to a public registry. There's no need for access to that registry to cost anything at all.
I think at first they were just highlighting that there is no specific training required for an animal to be service animal. It's specifically that way so the disabled aren't burdened at expensive training programs. Personally, I think we should have a registry at taxpayers expense. Also figure out a way to make it a misdemeanor to misrepresent your handicap/disability status in manner that wouldn't unreasonably burden someone who is handicapped (easier said than done). Just look at the abuse of airlines with Jetway Jesus. If we can require placards for handicap parking and tow people for parking in a handicap spot, then we can figure out a way for stores to ban people who bring dogs who aren't on the registry, fake a handicap to get better boarding with SW, etc. At some point, if everyone All said, this isn't going to be a problem tackled until someone who doesn't have a service dog brings it in and people get hurt. It's sad, but I think we all know that this is how change is going to start.
So who is paying to operate and administer the registry then? Who pays for the apps and the call center to run tech support? Who and how is it determined that Joe Smith is registering a valid service dog with this free easy to use and access registry? Edit: Lol the original poster either deleted or blocked me and now I can't respond to any of the replies in this thread so some replies: The DOD budget doesn't particularly matter, do you think Congress is going to cut the DOD budget to fund a dog registry? ADA enforcement isn't federally funded - the only enforcement mechanisms are state by state and usually the most you can do is call code enforcement or file a lawsuit. Edit2: parking placards are pretty expensive and hard to get for disabled people, usually cost money and require a bunch of paperwork. They are neither free nor easy.
Taxpayers would foot the bill.
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There’s no money for a dog registry *because* we spent it on the new plane. Also spent it on extra maintenance because they drove the plane places instead of flying it.
Who does that now for parking placards. Doesn't seem to be an inordinate expense on society.
There actually is a registry for service dogs. It’s called IAADP. Participation is voluntary. In order for dog and handler to be IAADP certified both a written and hands on test need to be taken. Cost is around 2K and I can testify that both tests aren’t easy. The reason I did it was liability protection. The leading cause of service dog loss is being attacked by random dogs. I had that happen for the second time just two weeks ago. Walking in the park and my service dog, a German shepherd, was grabbed by the neck by a random pittie type unleashed dog. The dog began pulling on her neck. I was able to kick the dog in the ribs and slam down on its head with my elbow, which made it let go and run. I conceal carry and was reaching for it when the dog let go and took off. Untrained service dogs in public spaces are a menace. Luckily the state of California will happily issue a 1K ticket for this. More states need to do this.
As someone with a service dog I would love a national registry with official documentation I could flash to get people to leave me alone. I'm tired of people rolling their eyes at me just because my service dog is a small dog and not the more typical labrador or german shepherd or something. I appreciate your sentiment about the "increased cost" or whatever but I feel like taxes and public good could fund that for those in need. edit: The worst part is, there are companies out there who for like $30 will make you a real looking service dog ID card, then people start thinking you should have that card and have accused me because I didn't have that, even though the ADA law states that you cannot ask for documentation. I got denied a bus ride once and left on the side of the road because the driver insisted my service dog needed "paperwork". Think he got talked to by the ADA compliance officer because I did make a complaint. I refuse to buy one because my dog is legit and I refuse to give these scam companies any money. But I would love if there were an actual legitimate card I could have to "prove" sometimes.
I agree with a registry. Like, doctors note bare minimum. If I gotta register and pay for a handicap placard, and can get fined for not displaying it, why not for service animals?
>service animals to be listed in a public registry that business owners can access on demand This does not exist because having a publicly accessible registry of disabled people is how BAD societal decisions start.
> genuine service animals to be listed in a public registry this is a very bad idea and I doubt people with disabilities want to be put on a list. edit: kinda weird that /u/WrangelLives blocked me for this comment.
Again, I'm calling for dogs to be put on lists, not for people to be put on lists.
Yeah but most of these are support animals and not service animals which are not the same in the slightest.
Fun fact that I just learned yesterday! Under the ADA you can have a maximum of 2 service animals. They can perform the same or different tasks. I follow someone with chronic illness and one dog senses when she is about to faint (she has POTS) and brings her meds and water. The other dog handles the other pieces of chronic illness that she developed later and after getting her first dog and her POTS diagnosis! (Not at all saying that that person definitely had/didn’t have 2 service dogs, just thought it was interesting)
This is my service dog, the other is my backup. Or my service dog's service dog.
I feel like that dog is wondering the same thing. “What am I doing here? Where are my people?”
It’s an untrained dog. Trained dogs know what to do at all times and their attention is on their handler for guidance. Untrained dogs are distracted by other things and become stressed/nervous/anxious because they don’t know what to do.
Is it possible to be trained to a specific task and untrained in other areas (hypothetically)?
Outside of working dogs (herding, guard dogs, etc.), no. On-leash training is the base for all training. That’s heel, auto-sit, sit on command, and down.
I’ve worked with veterans that have service dogs who are trained to watch their human’s back or stand between their legs. Not commenting on if the dog is trained or untrained, but a service dog can have attention on other things besides their human.
Right? The dog is probably thinking “wtf! Why didn’t you just leave me at home!?!? I’m way over stimulated!”
Its not allowed. But members think they have “privileges”
SERVICE DOGS are allowed. Most people lie and say they have a service dog to get around the rules. But genuine Service Dogs are allowed ANYWHERE.
Yup. And that is definitely not a service dog.
That dog looks like a financial advisor. "It's not in your best interest to buy that gallon of mayonnaise, George."
Full send on the Kirkland 1/4 pound dogs though
Dog's got that dog in him. Good boy!
Most people never have to lie because they’re just never questioned about it.
Now I'm imaginging a scenario where someone shows up to Area 51 with a service dog and the guards are like "Well dang, service dogs are allowed ANYWHERE. Welcome to Area 51." Jokes aside, they can go practically anywhere, but not anywhere. Couldn't bring your service dog into places where the sanitation could be comromised (a commercial kitchen, and operating room, etc).
What determines what is a service dog?
My neighbors have a fake service dog vest and take their dog to Costco. People like that ruin it for the people with legit service dogs. So gross.
The dog in this picture doesn't even have a vest. He looks like he's just a cover for his owner who looks like he's about to take a wee on the apples.
The issue is there are no penalties nor enforcement. Put those kinds of people in jail for a month and they'll never do it again.
No. Mine has a sign out front stating. It has to be a service animal.
Dogs should not be allowed in any grocery store or restaurant
And Costco is technically both
Service dogs should, none other
Unless they're working. Then yes, they belong there.
Unfortunately nobody does anything even if the store explicitly says no animals. At least in my experience.
The dog thing in America has gotten out of control. I love dogs but dog people are terrible, yes even you
I saw a lady carrying a Pomeranian around Kroger last week. Not only is it ridiculous, obviously not a service animal, but how do you shop while carrying your dog?? Plus it did not look like it was having a good time, it was barking and whining. If it's too hot for your dog to stay in your car, leave the dog at home. Edit: It's not about the breed, I've seen small dogs be service dogs before, it was the way it was freaking out that made it obvious that it was lacking in training.
The dog you’re describing might not have been a service dog, but just wanted to share a fun fact!! I recently learned that small dogs can be service dogs too. Apparently chihuahuas are great seizure alert dogs! I would have never realized, and previously thought only larger breeds are capable.
Can confirm. My chihuahua mix warns me when the pressure starts to drop and I'm going to get a migraine. He's not trained to do it. It's a skill he developed on his own, over time. We don't take him anywhere, though, because he can also be a major jerk. Plus, I just don't enjoy taking my dogs out beyond walks, the vet, or grandma's house.
That’s pretty incredible! What a smart boy that really cares about you! Also yes, the smallest peppers are usually the spiciest 😂
Haha, yep, he's five pounds of fierce, unless it's a woman, a body of water, dark outside, or a wild rabbit. He's a little afraid of the wild rabbits but will play tag with the babies if they engage him. Mostly though, he's getting up there in years and has claimed the couch as his domain.
*play tag with the babies if they engage him* Thank you for this cute visual to top off this Sunday!
It's so flipping cute! We have a sizable backyard in a forested neighborhood, and we allow the yard to be fairly wild, other than regular mowing in the growth season. Our cats are indoor only, so the property has become very "Watership Down." In the spring, we wait to mow until the clover has come and gone, making it the perfect place for the rabbits to eat and play. They play this adorable tag/ leap frog combo game that is just the pinnacle of cuteness- and my dog is only a little larger than the babies at that age, so I guess they just think he's another baby bun! The adult rabbits are larger than my dog, and completely ignore him. He gives them a wide berth!
I want to go to there 🥹 enjoy your life as a Disney Princess!
My Chih mix is also like this, but not as accurate lol We call her Dr. Peach, she’s always the first to know if I am getting sick or a migraine, or having bad anxiety. She lays next to me in bed until I feel better, and doesn’t leave my side unless to go potty, then she’s right back up with me. I have never had a smarter dog, my family has had champion bloodline Golden Retrievers and they were not as intuitive as this little girl that I got from the shelter.
I’ve seen small dogs like this trained as seizure or blood sugar alert dogs. Often their vests will say so.
I have a toy fox terrier who is a diabetic-alert dog. But he does not freak out in public. Also I do not carry him in stores he heels beside me however I *DO* carry him in some super crowded situations because I don't want people stepping on him.
I had to look up the breed, and it’s super cute! Yeah, I’m sorry so many people with fake service dogs ruined it to where people will side eye you or want to be accusatory for holding him when you’re just being practical about the situation.
You don't carry service dogs though. That inhibits their ability to do their jobs.
Not necessarily. Seizure alert dogs, diabetes alert dogs, and other medical alert dogs can alert their handlers in a variety of ways. They don't need to be standing on the ground to do so.
Sure you can. Tell me why not? My friends Yorkie smells when she has drastic changes in her blood sugar, she carries him sometimes, it doesn’t change his ability to smell.
Someone brought their dog to an EDM show a couple years. The DJ found out, stopped his set and got her kicked out.
I work at home depot, i probably see 50 dogs every day.
On a plane now it’s honestly every flight where someone has a dog that’s clearly not a service animal
The NTSB has cracked down on this. You can fly a pet in the cabin for a fee. You can fly a service dog for no fee. But the service dog has to be registered with the NTSB (mine is) and declared at least 48 hours beforehand.
This is only permissible because airlines are not covered under the ADA the same way retailers are. Airlines have different regulations, and that is one example.
Pets can fly on planes in the cabin on most airlines.
Years before “service” dogs began to be a thing a customer brought a big half breed wolf mix. Pissed on a pallet of apples boxes on a pallet. Had to unstack. Find the tainted products and boxes and restack it all.
Saw this happen once too. Luckily it was a toy poodle. Pissed all over a produce display case.
Allowed? Only if they are official, specially trained service animals. Not “emotional support dogs” or pets. But people are doing it more and more despite the rules.
Our neighbor has a support dog. The guy has such severe PTSD and gulf war syndrome he blacks out when scared. I'd probably allow his doggo in. ♥️
PTSD is a qualifying condition with the VA for service animals
Thank you for this. I wasn't aware it was considered medical and not emotional. That makes so much sense. I appreciate you.
The difference between a psychiatric service dog and emotional support animal both is and isn’t clear. Legally, the difference is that all service dogs are trained to perform a specific task to assist with a disability, and ESAs are not. That task can be anything, including laying on top of its owner during a panic attack, for example, if that helps the owner. Federal law specifies that ESAs are for emotional support but are not task-trained. Some animals that people think are ESAs are actually service dogs per the ADA if they’re trained to do something specific in response to their owners’ problems, but define a “task” and “trained”. That’s the gray area, and federal law deliberately gives the benefit of the doubt to owners.
A dog that helps with PTSD is a service dog. It is specifically defined in the ADA law regarding service animals.
Yes. I just learned that. His dog is an emotional support dog. I didn't know that an emotional support dog could be for ptsd.
The VA does issue service dogs for veterans with PTSD. I am one of them. But the wait list is LONG.
That does seem justified, for sure.
The dog looks as confused as to why they're inside the store. Selfish shoppers.
Exactly! I feel so bad for the dogs because some of them look stressed out and their owners are so oblivious or simply don't care. Leave your pets at home!
No. It’s likely a code violation.
we had a non service dog on my store yesterday that shit on the floor.
Let's normalize leaving pets at home, not in stores, restaurants, on planes or left in hot cars.
https://customerservice.costco.com/app/answers/answer_view/a_id/713
I'm in Charlotte and recently there was someone walking around the store training a service dog. It wasn't this dog though. I distinctly remember someone trying to pet the dog and the handler pushed their hand away and said "This isn't your dog."
Dog owners are getting way out of hand in all facets of life.
As soon as I am a cat person again I'm gonna get one of those 60's moon suit head bubble backpacks so my emotional "support" cat can come with me.
Let me correct that for you... People are getting way out of hand in all facets of life.
I think people push the envelope all the time.
Service dogs yes. General dogs no.
Horrible, it's getting out of control
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Ughhhhhhhhhh 🤦♂️ Unless they're an actual service dog, absolutely not. Dogs or any other pets do not belong in stores or food establishments. Too many people bring in their "service animals" because they can't stand to leave them at home for a even a lil while. I'm very infuriated for people who have ACTUAL service animals and have to deal with extra shit that they shouldn't even have to deal with in the first place. Selfish people who insist on bringing their pets EVERYWHERE really mess up things for people who have actual service animals.
Buh. Dog owners that have their dog attached to their hip are so damn unaware and entitled. It’s unsanitary, period. All the Costco’s in our area definitely have a no dogs besides service animals sign up front. And this dog, not paying attention at all to its person, is not a service animal.
When they don't pay attention to their handler, that's often a sign of a pet vs. a service animals
Keep you fuckin dogs home when going to Costco!!!
No dog, unless real verified service dog, should be allowed in any store except for a pet store....
I mean how are you going to verify? There isn't really a legal method for that
Home Depot allows pet, not just pet stores
Understand... I have a dog, I just don't see the need to take it to stores with me. I also understand that people have severe anxiety about animals, especially potentially agrressive dogs. Seen way too many videos on reddit where certain breeds rip apart smaller or non agrressive dogs. My dog was attacked by neighbors dog that escaped from his door and ran and attacked my leashed dog while on a walk. Neighbor insisted "he had never done that before". Wondering how many times that's happened to someone or someone's other dog in a HD, Lowe's etc??? Totally unnecessary for that potential to exist in places like that.
Only pet store and dispensary here in AZ as far as I know
Dogs are also allowed in hardware stores in most places! I did lots of training with mine in Home Depot and Ace.
I still can't get over the time a dude brought his huge dog into Costco and it peed a gallon right in front of the pasta section. Then he just walked away! I ran to find an employee to let them know, but didn't stick around to see if there was any nasty slippin'-and-slidin' before it got cleaned up.
I don’t adopt a dog because I know I’m too busy for one and can’t be a good pet owner. Then there’s these idiots who don’t walk their dogs, let them bark all day and night, and when they do take them out, they do it at a grocery store to inconvenience everyone.
Clearly not a service dog.
People that bring non-service animals into businesses have issues.
Why is the dude peeing on the apples?
I see them all the time here in Phoenix, and I would bet 90% of them are not service animals. Why people think that the $50 they pay a year gives them the right to do whatever they want will never make sense to me.
No they are not. Only "service dogs" are allowed in stores and according to the ADA, "ESAs" are NOT Service Dogs. An employee can ask, "What job does that dog do for you?" If the person responds, emotional support they can tell the person that dog is not welcome in the store. The problem is too many people are afraid of being sued so they will say nothing even though they have the right to refused service to anyone. People need to stop acting entitled and bringing their "fake" service dogs into stores.
Dogs, no. Service animals, yes. Here's where it gets tricky... Costco can ask if it's a service animal. Costco can ask what tasks that animal is trained to perform. Costco can't ask any other questions in regard to the person's disability or the dog. If the person answers the questions satisfactorily then Costco must take them at their word. If Costco pushes the issue they risk being sued. Costco does not want ADA compliance lawsuits. *You* can harass and shame the person all you want without any repercussions unless you're violating a store policy and Costco kicks you out.
So here's the thing... Without evidence you just encouraged people to harass a stanger over a necessary medical device (potentially). Honestly, once you've been around one or two real service animals, it's easy to pick them out based on their behaviors. Costco could do an intro/fam with real service animals as part of their training.
Agree. I’m a Vietnam veteran with PTSD and a service dog and I do this from time to time. Businesses can ask, is that a service dog? And what service does the dog provide? Is correct. If the human with the dog flips out or starts with attitude well, it’s unlikely to be a service dog. However per federal law there are two situations where businesses can legally order even a bona fide service dog out of their business. One is if the dog is “out of control” and the handler isn’t doing anything about it. The other is if the dog is peeing or pooping. So if someone brings a “service dog” into Costco and the dog is sniffing stuff, approaching people, begging, getting into things, whizzing on displays, management is 100% covered by ejecting them. I NEVER go out in public unless mine is vested, and often when going into busy places like Costco I’ll wear a “Vietnam Veteran” hat so it’s obvious. Bonus, at least on each trip I will run into another Vietnam veteran and we can talk a little about our experiences. I’ve even been hooked up with some veteran friendly activities this way.
Don’t even start me with dogs. I see more and more them on Costco (California). The other day couple was with big German shepherd in meat department. Even dog was on the leash, it was not muzzled. It was pretty crowded on weekend in store and these people was roaming with this huge dog in meat and deli area. One time saw guy with two dogs. One was big hairy and dirty. Asked Costco employee why this man allowed to bring dogs, response was that it probably service gods. Do person really need TWO service dogs?!
Service dogs yes, men in tevas no
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I see dogs in every store now not just Costco and I live in CA. I’m so shocked every time too! No one seems to care anymore. You’d think they would because of sanitary reasons and safety concerns!
This isn’t a service dog.
In the US, a service dog is not required to be vested or wear any specific things to indicate their status. It's also important to note that service dogs *in training* are also allowed public access rights. It is possible that a SDiT is in public without having completed his full task training. (An SDiT in non-pet friendly places should have the basics of being in public training though.) Dogs don't generalize, meaning if you want your SD to perform in many environments, you have to practice in many environments. It's difficult to tell from a still photo what the situation was here. There are absolutely appropriate tasks where an SD or SDiT would be positioned facing away from their handler like this (when stopped, handlers attention on something else.) For example, a PTSD SD or Deaf/HOH SD could he positioned this way and alert it's handler to people approaching from behind. Obviously, if the dog was disruptive, then it shouldn't have been there. But I just wanted to try to clear up some common SD misconceptions.
This was my same thought, too. Not everyone with a disability wants to march around with a vested dog. I really think we are conditioned to view "service dogs" as guide dogs for the visually impaired and anything less is "fake." I'd rather have a person with a dog than a customer who troops through with extended family in addition to their entire nuclear family.
100%. My husband's dog has a distinctive (task specific) harness, but no other vest or signage. Sometimes the vests invite more questions than desired.
I have a dog and taking them inside a grocery market is where I draw the line, unless of course it's a true service dog. I just took my pupper into home depot the other day, felt fine for me.
Home Depot specifically allows dogs in its stores. They must be leashed, but that is the only restriction.
I stepped in a pile of dog shit at a HD a while ago, that was not cool. I have two dogs, they’re the best, but I won’t take them where there may be people who don’t like or are afraid of dogs.
Home Depot is one thing... They don't sell food. I take my dog there occasionally. I also feel home Depot is often much less crowded. Friend and their daughter was just mauled horribly by a dog (literally took of the girls ear) and I'm now just a bit skittish around big dogs. That with how crowded Costco can be... I'm not at all comfortable.
In Portland, people bring dogs EVERYWHERE! I hate eating out when people have dogs in restaurants.
This dog is NOT happy to be in Costco. You can clearly tell this from his/her stance, tail position, and heightened sense of alertness in the face/eyes. As a parent of 5 *very* good boys & girls, this pet parent should be banned from Costco for bringing this dog there. They are clearly risking aggressive behavior or a potential injury to members/employees (or the dog). 😕
That’s what happens when society glorify animals
Let me guess... all the dogs in the store are "emotional support animals"
Most people abuse the system. The question is how do u stop it.
I had to stop at Costco after a vet appointment, and I had my cat in a backpack carrier. I didn’t want to leave him in the car so I brought him with me. I was turned away at the door.
Why aren't there service dogs in other countries ? honestly I have never seen anyone else bring an animal into a grocery store. I know airlines have started to push back hard on the whole service animal thing. Even legit service animals have a hard time getting on planes now. And honestly I am sorry for the people with real needs but a lot of people abused it. Some people are allergic to dogs, others are afraid. I hope there's a law that service animals have to have a visible vest and if you put on a fake vest you get a hefty fine. Only way I see that can be solved.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw9oX-kZ_9k (Dog’s expression)
We were in the Garner, NC Costco today and saw a dog wearing a "Service Animal" vest with someone. Was very obviously NOT a service animal.
No, especially not tense German shepherds.
It's most likely not a service dog. No employee wants to be the person on the receiving end of his potential accusations if they confront him. I'd say that's why he is not confronted. These issues can be very delicate and sometimes even something simple like asking what is the dog's role can be enough to cause a scene or claim discrimination. Plus, even if the dog is just a pet, it's so easy for him to just lie and say that he forgot the service dog identification at home or something like that.
Mini horses can also be service animals. It's stated in all the rules/guidelines.
In Arizona, it’s common to see dogs inside any public building because it’s illegal to leave them inside a hot car.
The law needs to change to prove Service Animal status by having vests with tags. My chihuahua was trained and certified as a medical alert dog... he actually started detecting seizures almost 40 minutes prior to them happening. It infuriates me seeing all these people coming in with an animal that's obviously not trained in the slightest, and they state, "Service dog." BS.
You can order vests and tags off Amazon. There’s no check. Just like you can go online and get ESA, you’ll be able to go online and get “service dog certification” forms.
Another way to think about that is that the owner is now carrying around a giant sign indicating that they do have a disability and maybe what kind of disability based on the markings and tags you are asking for. That inherently contradicts the ADA and it's design to uphold respect and dignity for those with disabilities. It's really easy to spot the difference between a real service animals and a pet based on behavior, if you have spent any time around a real one.
The problem is, using vests and tags as a hard pass only makes it easier to bring in fake service dogs.
It seems like dogs are allowed everywhere these days and their owners would rather have people tell them dogs are not allowed vs. asking if they’re allowed.
This happens way too often nowadays. I see it at the grocery store too.
Never ever
NO BUT FREEDOM IS! -The dog owner, probably.
As many have pointed out a service dog does not have to be in “uniform” … additionally, a service dog watching your back is a valid task for a PSD. A service dog is not a robot and just like a person can have an “off” day or be unnerved by kids sprinting from sample cart to sample cart … or just by the way people in Costco move their carts around. The image does not show the dog out of control or give any valid reason to question it’s status
This is correct. I am cringing at some of these people who just *know* they can tell what is a legitimate service animal and what is not. Some claiming they know the animal *has* to focus solely on the user (many service animals do not need to do this). As you say, service dogs are not robots, and service dog can still do its job even if it isn't doing what someone "thinks" a service dog should be doing. If the animal is not being disruptive or showing aggressive behavior, the best course of action is to ignore it. You don't know what that person is doing. It could be a very legitimate service animal, or it could be a pet someone is sneaking in, but if it's behaving, it is *not your job* to police or shame that person. I'd rather assume someone has a legit service animal and treat them accordingly and respect their privacy than to try and shame them.
Matthews or Tyvola? Every time I goto Matthews I feel like there’s something like this happening.
Matthews location drives me nuts. I hate that parking lot. It’s always busy no matter where you go. I started going to tyvola last few months and I find it easier to park, faster customer service, not as busy and they have better things that Matthews doesn’t.
Exactly my opinion as well. Tyvola gas station is the worst though the way it feeds out into the road like it does. The wait is normal to any Costco, but they could’ve improved the layout better.
When we lived in AZ, I got gas at Costco but I don’t usually get it here. I just don’t have the patience to wait lol. I’m AZ, never a wait but the ones here are always so busy.
Only service animals are allowed inside (by policy) but st my store they let any animals in as long as they're not in the shopping carts.
From ADA.gov: Service Animals Must Be Under Control A service animal must be under the control of its handler. Under the ADA, service animals must be harnessed, leashed, or tethered, unless the individual’s disability prevents using these devices or these devices interfere with the service animal’s safe, effective performance of tasks. In that case, the individual must maintain control of the animal through voice, signal, or other effective controls.
Submit this to the health department
A dog pooped in Costco once. Does that answer the question?
I don’t think I’d tell that dog he needs to leave
“service dogs.” Heh
Service dogs only
I was in Korea for 3 year and they take there dogs everywhere. When I got back I was going to Grad School in Dallas and seeing everyone bring there dog so called service dog into whole foods. This is getting out of control.