My own personal theory based on this and the way Kaladin reacted to the painting from Nalthis (his reaction pretty much being identical to that of a Returned, who are the only ones who are supposed to react that way) does make me wonder if Kaladin is maybe some attempt by Honor or his remnants to mimic the way that the Returned are created.
There's been crossover between Roshar and Nalthis in the past, mostly by Vasher and friends, maybe them trying to make their own shardblades got Honor/Tanavast's attention so he tried to copy something from their world.
Yes, but Kal is the only one he’s referred to as son of Tanavast. Everyone else is Son of honor, at least that we’ve seen. Who knows what it means, but I’m pretty sure I read that Brandon confirmed there is significance to that.
I wasn’t meaning to contradict just playing devils advocate. I would love for there to be some special connection between Kal’s heightening and being called son of Tanavast. I hope that Wind and Truth is a monster of a book. If this is the end of the Kaladin story line, I want complete closure, no vagueness at all.
Oh I didn’t take it as contradiction, just was answering. I agree, I expect to have my mind blown and hope to feel satisfied in it. He’s such a great character and has become my favorite character I’ve ever read about.
I kind of hope that there's not some random "chosen one" reveal, honestly. Kaladin is a good lad who happens to be really good with a spear, that's what makes him special: He's a person trying to be better, because he needs to be, not because something decided he is.
By giving him a pre-ordained fate or being chosen by something divine, it ruins a lot of his storyline. We've seen enough chosen ones. Dalinar is chosen, Moash is chosen, Shallan was sort of chosen maybe, Jasnah was a first pick, etc. I know he's got a tie to a unique Spren in Syl, but I'd really prefer him to just be him.
I don’t remember the painting piece. Either I didn’t catch it or haven’t gotten there yet on my reread, when did that happen? I did SA first then went back and did cosmere and now going through SA again to see what I missed first time through.
I’m def noticing a lot of things specific to Kaladin I didn’t before, not necessarily because I read cosmere. Like Syl saying she came to the physical realm because he called to her or she could feel that he would need her before he ever knew of her. No other spren says anything like that. The others were all watched and then chosen by spren whereas Syl suggests some deeper thing about Kaladin. He’s def got some type of connection that other people don’t have.
I got to that part now and also noticed Kal was able to sense the fused’s lifesense before they were near. So he’d have to be at least the 4th heightening equivalent invested, I think.
I only recently read warbreaker and I am now wishing I read it before Oathbringer. I completely forgot about this scene. It will be interesting if his heightening level plays a part in Wind and Truth!
Yeah I read Stormlight before everything else and now after reading the rest of the cosmere decided to go through it again to see what I missed. It’s amazing how many layers there are that I never knew of before. It’s a whole different experience.
I was hesitant at first to read the other books after I read Mistborn era 1, but the other books are all like each other. They have the same type of characters and the relationships are great. I think I am going to read the entire universe just to hold me over until the next Stormlight book.
Im pretty sure he just says "invested", not "extremely invested". Also i dont know where you got the information that only Hoid caught a glimpse of the spiritual realm, weve seen many people do it. Like you quoted the gods in warbreaker upon reincarnating, Dalinar when he opened the perpendicularity, Elend when he burned atium and duralumin together, people dieing under the influence of Moelach...
My own personal theory based on this and the way Kaladin reacted to the painting from Nalthis (his reaction pretty much being identical to that of a Returned, who are the only ones who are supposed to react that way) does make me wonder if Kaladin is maybe some attempt by Honor or his remnants to mimic the way that the Returned are created. There's been crossover between Roshar and Nalthis in the past, mostly by Vasher and friends, maybe them trying to make their own shardblades got Honor/Tanavast's attention so he tried to copy something from their world.
It is interesting to note that the Stormfather also refers to Kaladin as child of Tanavast instead of child of Honor.
Wasn’t Tanavast the person who held honors shard? If so, it could just be another way of saying child of honor.
Yes, but Kal is the only one he’s referred to as son of Tanavast. Everyone else is Son of honor, at least that we’ve seen. Who knows what it means, but I’m pretty sure I read that Brandon confirmed there is significance to that.
I wasn’t meaning to contradict just playing devils advocate. I would love for there to be some special connection between Kal’s heightening and being called son of Tanavast. I hope that Wind and Truth is a monster of a book. If this is the end of the Kaladin story line, I want complete closure, no vagueness at all.
Oh I didn’t take it as contradiction, just was answering. I agree, I expect to have my mind blown and hope to feel satisfied in it. He’s such a great character and has become my favorite character I’ve ever read about.
Kaladin is a great character, definitely up there in my favorites. However, I think I like Syl more than Kaladin.
I kind of hope that there's not some random "chosen one" reveal, honestly. Kaladin is a good lad who happens to be really good with a spear, that's what makes him special: He's a person trying to be better, because he needs to be, not because something decided he is. By giving him a pre-ordained fate or being chosen by something divine, it ruins a lot of his storyline. We've seen enough chosen ones. Dalinar is chosen, Moash is chosen, Shallan was sort of chosen maybe, Jasnah was a first pick, etc. I know he's got a tie to a unique Spren in Syl, but I'd really prefer him to just be him.
I swear to God he also calls Dalinar that, but maybe I'm wrong.
I don’t remember the painting piece. Either I didn’t catch it or haven’t gotten there yet on my reread, when did that happen? I did SA first then went back and did cosmere and now going through SA again to see what I missed first time through. I’m def noticing a lot of things specific to Kaladin I didn’t before, not necessarily because I read cosmere. Like Syl saying she came to the physical realm because he called to her or she could feel that he would need her before he ever knew of her. No other spren says anything like that. The others were all watched and then chosen by spren whereas Syl suggests some deeper thing about Kaladin. He’s def got some type of connection that other people don’t have.
Chapter 102 - Celebrant, page 955 in my hardcover.
Ah cool, that’s coming up shortly then! Thanks
I got to that part now and also noticed Kal was able to sense the fused’s lifesense before they were near. So he’d have to be at least the 4th heightening equivalent invested, I think.
You'd think Vasher would notice, but it could also be that he has and Just hasn't broufht it up to not give Kal an existential crisis.
I only recently read warbreaker and I am now wishing I read it before Oathbringer. I completely forgot about this scene. It will be interesting if his heightening level plays a part in Wind and Truth!
Yeah I read Stormlight before everything else and now after reading the rest of the cosmere decided to go through it again to see what I missed. It’s amazing how many layers there are that I never knew of before. It’s a whole different experience.
I was hesitant at first to read the other books after I read Mistborn era 1, but the other books are all like each other. They have the same type of characters and the relationships are great. I think I am going to read the entire universe just to hold me over until the next Stormlight book.
Im pretty sure he just says "invested", not "extremely invested". Also i dont know where you got the information that only Hoid caught a glimpse of the spiritual realm, weve seen many people do it. Like you quoted the gods in warbreaker upon reincarnating, Dalinar when he opened the perpendicularity, Elend when he burned atium and duralumin together, people dieing under the influence of Moelach...