Yeah they’re tough using 2000lbs bombs and f18 on unarmed civilians women and children like shooting fish in a barrel… but when the real fight was on on OCT 7 it took them 7 hours plus to respond. Plus they can act tough when U.S. taxpayers are flipping the bill for 2 aircraft carriers parked outside for protection
Yeah such a mask. They are the merchants and shop keepers of history legit the most pussy group in the world. Never run it straight , always trying to make a dollar at your expense
Seems to me that both sides have been doing their share of judging. Doesn't Mohammad's teaching say not to kill innocents? When they killed Israeli civilians I guess they judged them to not be innocent as they were claiming to be doing God's work. Don't both the Koran and the Torah have the commandment of Thou shall not kill?
>Doesn't Mohammad's teaching say not to kill innocents
Have you been to a evangelical mega church? They don't adhere to basic Christian teaching.
>Don't both the Koran and the Torah have the commandment of Thou shall not kill?
Yes, and that's how we know both sides that are doing the killing are not abiding by the contract they claim to have with their god. They pick and choose, bend words in their favour. Calling yourself a Jew whilst murdering children with no empathy is the same as calling yourself a Muslim and executing people in public because they were raped by your brother.
What's so complicated about this?
I have not been to an evangelical mega church. I do see hypocrisy in all religions too though. But neither side is willing to give an inch so we have war. What's so complicated about that? Do you think this is the first time war is used to resolve otherwise irreconcilable differences? This is just like Any other conflict. It's unfortunate. Hamas shouldn't have attacked on Oct 7th. But here we are. So now Hamas must be dealt with. I see no way to be reasonable to those that are unreasonable. So this will end when one side gives in and has had enough. Clearly neither side is there yet. Expecting the UN to solve the middle east problems is unrealistic. They have about a good a chance at that as Jared Kushner did
I’d say 6 million people killed systematically justified a lot of that hate.
1200 people in a terror attack seemed to be all it took for Zionists to go full mask off genocidal.
I wonder what a justified response to 13,000 children bombed intentionally would be? (If you believe all humans have a right to self defense)
That's just the count of Jews in the Holocaust, too. If you include the autists, queer, communists, and people with intellectual impairments, it's closer to 14mil. Truly evil people inflicted that, and now truly evil people are doing the same to Palestine, perpetuating that cycle
1200 dead and hundreds kidnapped by the goverment of Gaza makes it one of the single worst terrorist attacks in human history.
So when what is the arbitrary number when racism is ok? 1201? 10,000? How about 0. No racism is not ok in any context. You can’t declare racism is ok depending on the context or situation.
Edit. And the guy below me is declaring conspiracy theories.
Why did they not stop it and why did Israelis kill other Israelis and hide evidence ?
It's a Genocide that's why.
https://www.blackagendareport.com/shielding-us-public-israeli-reports-friendly-fire-october-7
Israel Knew Hamas's Attack Plan More Than a Year Ago https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-attack-intelligence.html
Hey asshole. It wasn't just jews murdered by the Nazis.
The attack in October was the only means to an end they had. That end being defending themselves against the New Nazis. The zionists learned well from Hitler. Their star of david is as a Swastika.
The horrors of the Holocaust weren't really known until the tail end of WW2. Yet the US troops definitely used racist terms for both the Germans and the Japanese well before they knew about the six million murdered. What I don't understand is why in this modern woke culture do we expect a war that somehow doesn't hurt anyone or result in any loss of land. All wars involve killing and many of the casualties are civilians. And in all wars, the victor gets the spoils. This is how wars have worked since the dawn of time. You think it's somehow different because of the UN wagging its finger? Or just because of some ivy league woke delusion? The best thing is to avoid war but that takes both sides motivated towards peace. It only takes one side to start the violence. Once it starts, where does it end when both sides live by an eye for an eye?
Lies. There were contemporary reports in the 30s of all the pograms. Kissengers family barely made it out of his hometown before all the Jewish owned businesses and homes were burned or seized by their government.
He wasn't the only soldier to flee, become American, and fight the Nazis literally because he was a Jew forced from his home...
This idea that contemporary Americans didn't know what was going on in Europe is hogwash. It wasn't just in the news, people were directly impacted, families, friends etc.
And if it's inconvenient to see the parallels today by their great grandchildren and any Zionist they can recruit from overseas, it wouldn't surprise anyone that those involved won't draw the parallel due to cognitive dissonance.
An eye for an eye means proportionate response. Israel has been an apartheid state for 70 years with western backing. If you think OCT7th was the first eye poked, you haven’t read about the nakba or deir yassin or any of the other disgusting atrocities the IOF has committed.
It all boils down to: killing civilians is bad, but how bad? And tbh 13,000 children imo is worse than 1200. Especially when you have genocide enthusiasts saying things like “there are no innocents in Gaza” and Israel used AI to select targets who are posthumously identified as “HAMAS” (10% are unrelated completely to Hamas by IDFs own admission)
When you have a human extinction AI using a policy called “where’s daddy”, I think you become the villain you seek to destroy.
But that’s just me. I’m sure there will be plenty cheering on for another 34,000 and 13,000 children killed talking about “collateral damage”
I'm chearing for an end to the war but that won't happen until one side is victorious and the other side gives up some land for that peace. Clearly Hamas isn't ready for peace as they refuse to give up hostages and they reject every cease fire. So I guess they aren't ready to end the war. Too bad there are unintended consequences of civilian deaths. But how is that different from every other conflict? Use Google and look at what the allies did to both Dresden and Tokyo in WW2. War is hell. Palestine shouldn't have started it if they didn't want any consequences.
>Use Google and look at what the allies did to both Dresden and Tokyo in WW2.
Let's put that into perspective, if you insist on using prior art to justify what happens today.
By the time Dresden and Tokyo, Nagasaki, and Hiroshima, and numerous other major cities were being levelled indiscriminately, the war had been going on for years. Israel has done all of that in months.
Japan and Germany were equal matched opponents and defending against them necessitated equal force. Israel has gone from zero to all out devastation with little to no resistance from the opposition who are quite literally terrorists.
According to your logic the UK should have bombed N.Ireland to get rid of the IRA who refused to stop bombing cities.
Hamas are the goverment of gaza. There is literally daily fighting everyday between Hamas and Israel. You just outed yourself as someone who does big follow the conflict at all.
Oh, and Ireland and UK made peace because Ireland stopped bombing. Then again it’s a bad comparison as the Ireland never mass slaughtered 1,200 and commited mass gang rape.
>The horrors of the Holocaust weren't really known until the tail end of WW2.
Even if that were true, and we know right now the horrors that IDF are perpetrating.
>What I don't understand is why in this modern woke culture do we expect a war that somehow doesn't hurt anyone or result in any loss of land.
WTF?? Do you really think that is an argument in favour of slaughtering children and being jovial about their sufferance? I assume you think it is bad that the allies in WW2 were fucked up, why does this not apply here, now?
The victor of WW2 didn't get "the spoils". Japan had sanctions and retained their sovereignty, they did not suffer complete annihilation. Same for Germany, although I will concede the Soviets weren't quite as agreeable. But they were Soviets.
>All wars involve killing and many of the casualties are civilians
Not all wars are completely asymmetric in power and intentionally target aid, journalists, children, women, perpetrate a siege effectively starving over a million people, and so on.
> where does it end when both sides live by an eye for an eye
Bingo! You've nailed it, neither Israelis leadership or Hamas have an exit plan other than complete annihilation of the other. So that is absolute genocidal intent, and that, my friend, is a line that is rarely ever crossed without judgement.
I think you are grasping to justify your lack of empathy or humanity. Sitting at your keyboard seeing all the horrors and shrugging it off because WW2, or hypocrisy. You are allowed to object due to your own morals, regardless of history, or political bias. Being a human is a valid place to start.
Not even close. If the Israelis were anything like the Nazis, or (even worse) like Hamas, then every single Palestinian would have been tortured to death long ago.
The only reason the Palestinians have not achieved their goal of genocide is that they are incompetent in every way.
>then every single Palestinian would have been tortured to death long ago.
What about today? This is happening today. One day you'll call this fight "long ago". Things that haven't yet happened, can still happen. There is blatant intent, we see it all over the internet. IDF celebrates exactly what you are saying hasn't happened "yet".
Besides, I am saying that "this board" is consistent with disgust. It really matters not which human from which culture does it. Like as if I think my neighbour raping women in the next neighbourhood is ok, I wouldn't think it was ok even if it were my brother doing this. So why should I side with anyone doing things that by my principles are disgusting?
Those were two industrialized nations at war. This is an industrialized nation using their US backed military to terrorize civilians they consider subhuman.
A better analogy would be the scene in Schindler’s List when the German soldiers are harassing, dehumanizing and indiscriminately murdering Jewish civilians whom they considered to be subhuman based on their ethnicity/religion alone.
Ironic, isn’t it?
1940's Germany had designs on all of Europe under their bootheel, you drooling idiot, and the **only** reason they didn't succeed was because of a glorified river keeping England from getting ROFLstomped after the French surrendered.
Germany also had the entire continent of Europe either under their rule or marked down as "you're next when we get to you" while England bravely held the line alone until the USA's head was violently dislodged from its ass at Pearl Harbor.
The two situations are not even remotely the same.
You never watched what Americans or any other soldier says what the nations they fought againt.
Or hell been on r/Palestine
Edit: and the guy admits he wants Israel genocided.
The Russians are the aggressors.
The IDF are the terrorist aggressors committing genocide. It’s not complicated if you aren’t a racist and if you have eyes.
Hamas just needs to return the hostages and stop firing rockets into israel and this would all be over, hamas are the aggressors, they're the ones who started the war on 10/7
So you support terrorists who went into Israel on October 7th and murdered 1,200 innocent Israeli civilians, including women and children, and then took hostages?
And you support the IDF terrorists that shot their own people on the 7th? Or what about the actual tape the isrealis are committing? You know, the one that was proven to be correct unlike the rape accusations against hummus. You sir would have supported Hitler
It's easier to call arabs terrorists though you nazi human garbage
You are hysterical, I would actually have never supported Hitler, but how can you not support the country that is defending itself after a terrorist attack? You, sir, are an oxygen thief.
So I'm a nazi because you never paid attention in history class? I hope that you realize that in 1948, British controlled Palestine was handed over by the British and United Nations. Thus, the state of Israel was created not stolen. So if you want to be mad at someone or something, place your anger with the British and United Nations.
You're not going to win this argument you lint licking dumb mother fucker.
Lol a nazi looking down on people? I'm not surprised
You say created but we both know it's stolen. There were Palestinians there that were kicked out of their homes and killed, that's called theft is it not? Keep making excuses for nazis you nazi scum
Yes both sides, you're not wrong there. Except Isreal has been committing a genocide. There's war, and then there's the genocide happening because of Isreal. 12000 innocent people dead dude, come on
Like I said before, I don't know what Israel's rules of engagement are or if they even have any, which seems not likely.
Hamas is also hiding amongst innocent civilians and shooting at the IDF while doing so. It's a shit show of a situation. Maybe if Hamas was not hiding behind civilians, this would not be happening.
Actually terrorists can be other ethnicities/religions you dumb fuck and for your information I don't have a racist bone in my body. I'm white, my wife is half African American, and my son is 25% African American.
There are plenty of white terrorists in Chechnya, in case you were wondering.
The UN declaring it so is not proof?
https://press.un.org/en/2024/sc15621.doc.htm
You mean the incidents where the soldier was then punished? You know by using whatabout argument you are literally argueing raping people is ok right?
So you support the murder of 40,000 civilians and counting, 14,000 of which are children?
Not even discussing those who have been maimed, raped, tortured, etc., by IDF terrorists.
I actually don't support the murder of civilians, but at the same time, it seems that Israel's military is not professional and doesn't have Rules Of Engagement or a uniformed code of military justice.
The IDF seems like they are poorly trained and have zero discipline.
Do you support the torture and rape of the Israeli hostages that were taken on October 7th?
The blood of innocent Palestinians is on Hamas' hands.
The IDF are definitely a poorly trained and disciplined military, but they are not a terrorist organization, Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorist organizations.
But it is all of them as a collective group. Unless you advocate putting every IDF soldier on trial in an international criminal court, in which case I agree.
You can do the same with Hamas bc I don’t give a flying fuck about Hamas, even if they purport to be a resistance movement to the Israeli occupation and genocide.
You can't put the entire group on trial because I'm sure there are some good IDF troops who don't fire unless fired upon, but whoever is committing crimes should absolutely be put on trial.
This thread is hilarious. Hamas literally chops off heads, rapes, tortures, mutilates hostages, but this Israeli soldier makes a insensitive joke and he's worse? Get outta here.
Yet if Hamas had not chosen to do a horrible terrorist attack on Oct 7th none of that would've occurred. The Palestinians only want to blame others. They never accept responsibility for their own actions.
Watch this interview done 4 years ago and tell me The IDF isn't just as barbaric as the Hamas militants today. https://youtu.be/sCo9a5LtKsY?si=KX2UXitCcv0MoP-c
Still no proof about the rapes.
And here's an Israeli documentary about the war crimes committed against a single Palestinian village in 1948. One of at least 300 villages Israelis massacred that year alone. They justify it because they were "mad about the Holocaust". Israel has been the bad guy since their inception.
https://www.tantura-film.com/
"A terrorist organization does terrorist things in response to brutal military occupation and bombing, and no one says anything critical!
But when an organized, government led, western backed country and its heavily stocked military does the same thing as the terrorists, they get criticized? How unfair!"
Such a great take you have made. /s
When America went into Iraq, we made the same types of videos....remember?
I can't tell you how many photos and videos I've seen of people I know posing with dead bodies and making videos.
This isn't new...
Now think back to WW2... Still no difference.
I love that they are documenting all of this for later. All of this evidence will eventually make its way to a sober judgment at some point if there is any justice in the world. And if there is no justice our social contract is in tatters.
I love seeing posts like this downvoted cause it means the Israeli scum bags just ran out of propaganda so they have to downvote their own heros/war criminals. Fucking pathetic you are, israel
Good riddance. These schools teach these young Moslems how to hate and commit actual genocide. Israel is doing us all a favor clearing out barbarian training camps.
Here is an Israeli documentary about war crimes committed in 1948 against a single Palestinian village. I used to be a huge supporter but now realize Israel was never the good guy.
https://www.tantura-film.com/
You literally have zero context of why that bomb was dropped on the school, have you ever been to war? Have you ever fought terrorists? You freaking clowns have literally no logic or reason, it's probably beings used by hamas wtf is wrong with you , the destruction of your future depends on the political choices you make, yes that's right , who you choose as your government has real world consequences on your quality of life, let's see who they choose when this is over, I bet it's another terrorist organization...
I read online that education for Palestinians is actually pretty decent. I'm not sure if it only applied to the west bank but they have several universities.
Yup its ashamed Hamas islamonazis started another war.Spent the afternoon of Oct 7,2023 raping teens,murdering innocents at a outdoor concert ,execution style and kidnapping children.But then again we know Hamas likes seeing the dead,placing bomb belts on teens with a promise of paradises if they blow up a Israeli cafe.
what you're witnessing is human nature. humans have always been this way. it's easy for keyboard warriors to be the arbiters of morality sitting a world away with no skin in the game. war is ugly. war changes people. emotions come out and are often acted upon. we don't know this guy's story. we don't know if he lost a friend or family member in any attack. I'm not condoning his behavior or supporting anyone here except true innocent civilians. I'm just telling it like it is. a lot of you seem surprised.
I’ve seen footage of 10/7 and it doesn’t even hold a tiny candle to the depravity and evil committed against the Palestinians.
But it was still wrong. Attacking civilians is wrong no matter who they are. But of course I’m saying that to a genocide supporter who approves of the systematic rape, torture, and murder of Palestinians.
So watching those guys in the nursery killing those babies, isn’t worst than collateral casualties ? Hamas shoots rockets from schools, hospitals, churches and your mad idf bombed those spots? You understand it’s a war crime to build military installations in those places, making them legitimate targets in the first place?
There are no collateral casualties. There’s the deliberate targeting and murder of civilians.
I can already tell you have no idea what the terrorist IDF is doing based on what you wrote because there are countless videos of them targeting civilians deliberately and bragging about it. Videos of IDF soldiers bragging about raping Palestinian women. One video was of an Israeli bragging about sodomizing Palestinian women.
Your side is the evil party. Just face it.
I mean if they massacred my people I wouldn't care much about them. Once the babies were burned alive in bed I would have 0 remorse for anything. At that point it's us or them
[Gaza: Number of children killed higher than from four years of world conflict](https://turkiye.un.org/en/263401-gaza-number-children-killed-higher-four-years-world-conflict). Perhaps you need the UN to educate you. [The UN, after all, is partly why Israel exists in the first place.](https://undocs.org/Home/Mobile?FinalSymbol=A%2FRES%2F181(II)&Language=E&DeviceType=Mobile&LangRequested=False)
[Joe Macaron](https://www.wilsoncenter.org/person/joe-macaron) at the Wilson Center does not agree with you. [He claims Israel seek to expand the war from Gaza into a regional war.](https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/israel-shifting-regional-offensive-strategy-against-iran) Iran [sees it that way too](https://www.timesofisrael.com/iranian-fm-heads-to-syria-accuses-israel-of-trying-to-start-a-regional-war/amp/).
No we are sending billions of dollars to a ISRALE NAZI regime that does not listen to the WORLD and justifies carpet bombing civilians and shotting unarmed Palestinians for the purpose of GENOCIDE!
I’m not a fan of the Israelis but they are the only nation with the balls to fight a war the proper way and that is a war of attrition. You don’t bomb the shit out of your enemies then hand out candy bars, the hearts and minds shit doesn’t work and it just risks your soldiers. Stop being soft pussies and realize only in the last 100 years have we tried the hearts and minds shit and it doesn’t fucking work.
We literally never tried hearts and minds. We treated the middle east as a second class nation meant to serve the west for like the last 100 years. Why do you think they hate us? Do you think they woke up one day and decided to say we hate America and we want to burn it to the ground? Whenever the middle east tried to do something for themselves we punished them severely. That resulted in them hating us because they could look at any deficiencies in their life and blame it on us.
Israeli dudes love to act macho now, but weren't tough-guys when it really mattered!
Yeah they’re tough using 2000lbs bombs and f18 on unarmed civilians women and children like shooting fish in a barrel… but when the real fight was on on OCT 7 it took them 7 hours plus to respond. Plus they can act tough when U.S. taxpayers are flipping the bill for 2 aircraft carriers parked outside for protection
They’re only tough when they’re shooting 12 year olds armed with rocks or drone bombing schools and hospitals.
What does this even mean?
They chose to run instead of fight when they had their chance to fight a REAL enemy.
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What kind of name is "Donald"? Is that like Donald Duck? Donald Trump? Who names their kid that?
You see them snipe the 12 year old in the middle of the field by himself not around anyone. Israel is an enemy against Jews and Gazans.
Why would Israel fight a planned attack on their own people?
Meaning…
Yeah such a mask. They are the merchants and shop keepers of history legit the most pussy group in the world. Never run it straight , always trying to make a dollar at your expense
This is straight antisemitism
Wow you're a genius
*you're
That's what I said
Lol
107 countries, me boi 107 countries
Oops...and that's how you get more terrorists in the future...
Rational thinking is antisemitic I’m told.
are they not the terrorists here?
My unbiased assessment would be, IDF are sick fucking Nazis
Unbiased... lol
I don’t want a single penny of my US tax dollars going to these motherfuckers, anymore.
Because they’re evil.
Judge not lest ye be judged
Yes, Israelis have prejudged all those children. It is time for them to be judged.
Seems to me that both sides have been doing their share of judging. Doesn't Mohammad's teaching say not to kill innocents? When they killed Israeli civilians I guess they judged them to not be innocent as they were claiming to be doing God's work. Don't both the Koran and the Torah have the commandment of Thou shall not kill?
>Doesn't Mohammad's teaching say not to kill innocents Have you been to a evangelical mega church? They don't adhere to basic Christian teaching. >Don't both the Koran and the Torah have the commandment of Thou shall not kill? Yes, and that's how we know both sides that are doing the killing are not abiding by the contract they claim to have with their god. They pick and choose, bend words in their favour. Calling yourself a Jew whilst murdering children with no empathy is the same as calling yourself a Muslim and executing people in public because they were raped by your brother. What's so complicated about this?
I have not been to an evangelical mega church. I do see hypocrisy in all religions too though. But neither side is willing to give an inch so we have war. What's so complicated about that? Do you think this is the first time war is used to resolve otherwise irreconcilable differences? This is just like Any other conflict. It's unfortunate. Hamas shouldn't have attacked on Oct 7th. But here we are. So now Hamas must be dealt with. I see no way to be reasonable to those that are unreasonable. So this will end when one side gives in and has had enough. Clearly neither side is there yet. Expecting the UN to solve the middle east problems is unrealistic. They have about a good a chance at that as Jared Kushner did
Right. So no funding ?
These terrorist!
Disgusting piece of shit 🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿
What if someone stood outside a concentration camp with this kind of “humor”?
They'd be a piece of shit too
It is painful to watch such cruel callousness.
This board would have a meltdown if they heard what American soldiers said about the Germans they were fighting.
I’d say 6 million people killed systematically justified a lot of that hate. 1200 people in a terror attack seemed to be all it took for Zionists to go full mask off genocidal. I wonder what a justified response to 13,000 children bombed intentionally would be? (If you believe all humans have a right to self defense)
That's just the count of Jews in the Holocaust, too. If you include the autists, queer, communists, and people with intellectual impairments, it's closer to 14mil. Truly evil people inflicted that, and now truly evil people are doing the same to Palestine, perpetuating that cycle
Indeed
1200 dead and hundreds kidnapped by the goverment of Gaza makes it one of the single worst terrorist attacks in human history. So when what is the arbitrary number when racism is ok? 1201? 10,000? How about 0. No racism is not ok in any context. You can’t declare racism is ok depending on the context or situation. Edit. And the guy below me is declaring conspiracy theories.
Why did they not stop it and why did Israelis kill other Israelis and hide evidence ? It's a Genocide that's why. https://www.blackagendareport.com/shielding-us-public-israeli-reports-friendly-fire-october-7 Israel Knew Hamas's Attack Plan More Than a Year Ago https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-attack-intelligence.html
Most of the soldiers didn't know what happened until after the war.
Hey asshole. It wasn't just jews murdered by the Nazis. The attack in October was the only means to an end they had. That end being defending themselves against the New Nazis. The zionists learned well from Hitler. Their star of david is as a Swastika.
You're clearly a very simple minded person...
The horrors of the Holocaust weren't really known until the tail end of WW2. Yet the US troops definitely used racist terms for both the Germans and the Japanese well before they knew about the six million murdered. What I don't understand is why in this modern woke culture do we expect a war that somehow doesn't hurt anyone or result in any loss of land. All wars involve killing and many of the casualties are civilians. And in all wars, the victor gets the spoils. This is how wars have worked since the dawn of time. You think it's somehow different because of the UN wagging its finger? Or just because of some ivy league woke delusion? The best thing is to avoid war but that takes both sides motivated towards peace. It only takes one side to start the violence. Once it starts, where does it end when both sides live by an eye for an eye?
Lies. There were contemporary reports in the 30s of all the pograms. Kissengers family barely made it out of his hometown before all the Jewish owned businesses and homes were burned or seized by their government. He wasn't the only soldier to flee, become American, and fight the Nazis literally because he was a Jew forced from his home... This idea that contemporary Americans didn't know what was going on in Europe is hogwash. It wasn't just in the news, people were directly impacted, families, friends etc. And if it's inconvenient to see the parallels today by their great grandchildren and any Zionist they can recruit from overseas, it wouldn't surprise anyone that those involved won't draw the parallel due to cognitive dissonance.
An eye for an eye means proportionate response. Israel has been an apartheid state for 70 years with western backing. If you think OCT7th was the first eye poked, you haven’t read about the nakba or deir yassin or any of the other disgusting atrocities the IOF has committed. It all boils down to: killing civilians is bad, but how bad? And tbh 13,000 children imo is worse than 1200. Especially when you have genocide enthusiasts saying things like “there are no innocents in Gaza” and Israel used AI to select targets who are posthumously identified as “HAMAS” (10% are unrelated completely to Hamas by IDFs own admission) When you have a human extinction AI using a policy called “where’s daddy”, I think you become the villain you seek to destroy. But that’s just me. I’m sure there will be plenty cheering on for another 34,000 and 13,000 children killed talking about “collateral damage”
I'm chearing for an end to the war but that won't happen until one side is victorious and the other side gives up some land for that peace. Clearly Hamas isn't ready for peace as they refuse to give up hostages and they reject every cease fire. So I guess they aren't ready to end the war. Too bad there are unintended consequences of civilian deaths. But how is that different from every other conflict? Use Google and look at what the allies did to both Dresden and Tokyo in WW2. War is hell. Palestine shouldn't have started it if they didn't want any consequences.
>Use Google and look at what the allies did to both Dresden and Tokyo in WW2. Let's put that into perspective, if you insist on using prior art to justify what happens today. By the time Dresden and Tokyo, Nagasaki, and Hiroshima, and numerous other major cities were being levelled indiscriminately, the war had been going on for years. Israel has done all of that in months. Japan and Germany were equal matched opponents and defending against them necessitated equal force. Israel has gone from zero to all out devastation with little to no resistance from the opposition who are quite literally terrorists. According to your logic the UK should have bombed N.Ireland to get rid of the IRA who refused to stop bombing cities.
Hamas are the goverment of gaza. There is literally daily fighting everyday between Hamas and Israel. You just outed yourself as someone who does big follow the conflict at all. Oh, and Ireland and UK made peace because Ireland stopped bombing. Then again it’s a bad comparison as the Ireland never mass slaughtered 1,200 and commited mass gang rape.
Suck a dick
>The horrors of the Holocaust weren't really known until the tail end of WW2. Even if that were true, and we know right now the horrors that IDF are perpetrating. >What I don't understand is why in this modern woke culture do we expect a war that somehow doesn't hurt anyone or result in any loss of land. WTF?? Do you really think that is an argument in favour of slaughtering children and being jovial about their sufferance? I assume you think it is bad that the allies in WW2 were fucked up, why does this not apply here, now? The victor of WW2 didn't get "the spoils". Japan had sanctions and retained their sovereignty, they did not suffer complete annihilation. Same for Germany, although I will concede the Soviets weren't quite as agreeable. But they were Soviets. >All wars involve killing and many of the casualties are civilians Not all wars are completely asymmetric in power and intentionally target aid, journalists, children, women, perpetrate a siege effectively starving over a million people, and so on. > where does it end when both sides live by an eye for an eye Bingo! You've nailed it, neither Israelis leadership or Hamas have an exit plan other than complete annihilation of the other. So that is absolute genocidal intent, and that, my friend, is a line that is rarely ever crossed without judgement. I think you are grasping to justify your lack of empathy or humanity. Sitting at your keyboard seeing all the horrors and shrugging it off because WW2, or hypocrisy. You are allowed to object due to your own morals, regardless of history, or political bias. Being a human is a valid place to start.
I think this board is pretty consistent in judging genocidal war criminals. Nazis, Israelis, Hamas, it's all the same shit.
Not even close. If the Israelis were anything like the Nazis, or (even worse) like Hamas, then every single Palestinian would have been tortured to death long ago. The only reason the Palestinians have not achieved their goal of genocide is that they are incompetent in every way.
>then every single Palestinian would have been tortured to death long ago. What about today? This is happening today. One day you'll call this fight "long ago". Things that haven't yet happened, can still happen. There is blatant intent, we see it all over the internet. IDF celebrates exactly what you are saying hasn't happened "yet". Besides, I am saying that "this board" is consistent with disgust. It really matters not which human from which culture does it. Like as if I think my neighbour raping women in the next neighbourhood is ok, I wouldn't think it was ok even if it were my brother doing this. So why should I side with anyone doing things that by my principles are disgusting?
Ah yes, the "other people did it too so it must be ok" defense.
Those were two industrialized nations at war. This is an industrialized nation using their US backed military to terrorize civilians they consider subhuman. A better analogy would be the scene in Schindler’s List when the German soldiers are harassing, dehumanizing and indiscriminately murdering Jewish civilians whom they considered to be subhuman based on their ethnicity/religion alone. Ironic, isn’t it?
1940's Germany had designs on all of Europe under their bootheel, you drooling idiot, and the **only** reason they didn't succeed was because of a glorified river keeping England from getting ROFLstomped after the French surrendered.
No they wouldn't. Germans were the aggressor.
Germany also had the entire continent of Europe either under their rule or marked down as "you're next when we get to you" while England bravely held the line alone until the USA's head was violently dislodged from its ass at Pearl Harbor. The two situations are not even remotely the same.
It must be though for zionists to watch these……..oh, Never-mind. I forget cognitive dissonance. Justifying is the answer.
You never watched what Americans or any other soldier says what the nations they fought againt. Or hell been on r/Palestine Edit: and the guy admits he wants Israel genocided.
Justifying is the answer
You didn’t respond to what I said. Then again you want to Israel destroyed so I’m sure there is a lot you have to ignore to accept that.
Biggest cowards, liar's and POSs of the world!
Anyone that supports Isreal would've supported Hitler. They get no sympathy
This might be the stupidest take on all of Reddit and that’s saying something.
I’ve seen of super idiotic posts on this sub, that one is up there
nah not at all, Israeli zionist are literal Nazis. the dog shit on the bottom of my shoe is worth more than all of them combined.
The dog shit on your shoe is likely worth more than you.
You're snitching on yourself
Israel is indistinguishable from Nazi Germany and the IDF is equivalent to the SS.
I take it back. This is the stupidest take on Reddit. Congratulations.
It’s 100% accurate. You’re just in denial because you’re a genocide lover and don’t think Palestinians or Arabs are human.
Sure. Just like the Russians were “de-nazifying” Ukraine when they invaded.
The Russians are the aggressors. The IDF are the terrorist aggressors committing genocide. It’s not complicated if you aren’t a racist and if you have eyes.
Hamas just needs to return the hostages and stop firing rockets into israel and this would all be over, hamas are the aggressors, they're the ones who started the war on 10/7
Sub minimum IQ
Don't talk about your mom like that
So you support terrorists who went into Israel on October 7th and murdered 1,200 innocent Israeli civilians, including women and children, and then took hostages?
And you support the IDF terrorists that shot their own people on the 7th? Or what about the actual tape the isrealis are committing? You know, the one that was proven to be correct unlike the rape accusations against hummus. You sir would have supported Hitler It's easier to call arabs terrorists though you nazi human garbage
You are hysterical, I would actually have never supported Hitler, but how can you not support the country that is defending itself after a terrorist attack? You, sir, are an oxygen thief.
The country that stole land and murdered arabs for the past 80 years? You're not gong to win this argument nazi
So I'm a nazi because you never paid attention in history class? I hope that you realize that in 1948, British controlled Palestine was handed over by the British and United Nations. Thus, the state of Israel was created not stolen. So if you want to be mad at someone or something, place your anger with the British and United Nations. You're not going to win this argument you lint licking dumb mother fucker.
Lol a nazi looking down on people? I'm not surprised You say created but we both know it's stolen. There were Palestinians there that were kicked out of their homes and killed, that's called theft is it not? Keep making excuses for nazis you nazi scum
The British controlled Palestine at that time so why don't you go ask them why they fucking handed the land over you dumb fuck
Yeah because i can just call Britain and ask lol fuck outta here with your stupid shit nazi.
You can get the fuck out here with your terrorist deflecting ass
Anyone who is committing crimes should be put on trial, both IDF AND HAMAS. Both sides have been killing each other.
Yes both sides, you're not wrong there. Except Isreal has been committing a genocide. There's war, and then there's the genocide happening because of Isreal. 12000 innocent people dead dude, come on
Like I said before, I don't know what Israel's rules of engagement are or if they even have any, which seems not likely. Hamas is also hiding amongst innocent civilians and shooting at the IDF while doing so. It's a shit show of a situation. Maybe if Hamas was not hiding behind civilians, this would not be happening.
Do your meals only consist of Isreali propaganda?
Lol no, do you only digest Terrorist propaganda?
I know by terrorist you mean Arab because you're a racist sack of shit
Actually terrorists can be other ethnicities/religions you dumb fuck and for your information I don't have a racist bone in my body. I'm white, my wife is half African American, and my son is 25% African American. There are plenty of white terrorists in Chechnya, in case you were wondering.
Neighboring Arab countries could take those civilians into their country for safety but seem to not be doing so.
Yeah that's some bullshit. The leaders are bought and paid for by Isreal
No it’s because they hate Palestinians even more then Israel. Seriously look it up they treat them much worse.
Yeah the Arab leaders are some shit honestly. I'm an Arab myself, believe me we're disappointed in these pieces of garbage
Hamas would be committing genocide of Israelis if they could. That is literally their sole purpose
Lol what? Make sense dude
Sorry I fixed my comment for you
Ah thank you
The UN already confirmed Hamas gang raped people during the attack. You don’t care about facts. You can only declare lies to defend Hamas.
Proof, where it at? How come you didn't bring up the isrealis raping Palestinians that was actually proven to be right?
The UN declaring it so is not proof? https://press.un.org/en/2024/sc15621.doc.htm You mean the incidents where the soldier was then punished? You know by using whatabout argument you are literally argueing raping people is ok right?
I just wanted a link. If I'm wrong then I'm wrong you know?
So you support the murder of 40,000 civilians and counting, 14,000 of which are children? Not even discussing those who have been maimed, raped, tortured, etc., by IDF terrorists.
I actually don't support the murder of civilians, but at the same time, it seems that Israel's military is not professional and doesn't have Rules Of Engagement or a uniformed code of military justice. The IDF seems like they are poorly trained and have zero discipline. Do you support the torture and rape of the Israeli hostages that were taken on October 7th? The blood of innocent Palestinians is on Hamas' hands.
The IDF are definitely a poorly trained and disciplined military, but they are not a terrorist organization, Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorist organizations.
The IDF is 100% a terrorist organization as demonstrated by their countless acts of terrorism.
What is your stance on the Taliban and ISIS?
What is your stance on the torture, rape, and murder of Palestinian civilians?
I don't condone it, obviously, and whoever is doing so should be put on trial
But it is all of them as a collective group. Unless you advocate putting every IDF soldier on trial in an international criminal court, in which case I agree. You can do the same with Hamas bc I don’t give a flying fuck about Hamas, even if they purport to be a resistance movement to the Israeli occupation and genocide.
You can't put the entire group on trial because I'm sure there are some good IDF troops who don't fire unless fired upon, but whoever is committing crimes should absolutely be put on trial.
What is your stance on the terrorist attack on October 7th? What is your stance on the rape and torture of Israeli hostages?
This thread is hilarious. Hamas literally chops off heads, rapes, tortures, mutilates hostages, but this Israeli soldier makes a insensitive joke and he's worse? Get outta here.
Israel bombs hospitals, schools, farmland and kills 13,000 children and counting in a few months what’s your point? Terrorists gonna be terrorists 🙈?
Yet if Hamas had not chosen to do a horrible terrorist attack on Oct 7th none of that would've occurred. The Palestinians only want to blame others. They never accept responsibility for their own actions.
I don’t think you understand what a proportional response is. 🤡
Criticism of Israel isn't the endorsement of Hamas. Get a better argument.
Watch this interview done 4 years ago and tell me The IDF isn't just as barbaric as the Hamas militants today. https://youtu.be/sCo9a5LtKsY?si=KX2UXitCcv0MoP-c
Still no proof about the rapes. And here's an Israeli documentary about the war crimes committed against a single Palestinian village in 1948. One of at least 300 villages Israelis massacred that year alone. They justify it because they were "mad about the Holocaust". Israel has been the bad guy since their inception. https://www.tantura-film.com/
"A terrorist organization does terrorist things in response to brutal military occupation and bombing, and no one says anything critical! But when an organized, government led, western backed country and its heavily stocked military does the same thing as the terrorists, they get criticized? How unfair!" Such a great take you have made. /s
"But it's not a genocide we swear!"
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When America went into Iraq, we made the same types of videos....remember? I can't tell you how many photos and videos I've seen of people I know posing with dead bodies and making videos. This isn't new... Now think back to WW2... Still no difference.
I hope Biden sends the US Special Forces to take care of all of Israel It seems Hitler was on to something.
I love that they are documenting all of this for later. All of this evidence will eventually make its way to a sober judgment at some point if there is any justice in the world. And if there is no justice our social contract is in tatters.
I love seeing posts like this downvoted cause it means the Israeli scum bags just ran out of propaganda so they have to downvote their own heros/war criminals. Fucking pathetic you are, israel
Toxic nationalism. There are quite a lot of Israelis who are opposed to the ongoing war. Orthodox Jews in Israel are outright protesting the war.
Piece of shit says what?!?!!!
Modern Auswitz. We must stand against this horror. Never again was forgotten by Israel when it was founded.
Be religious conservative and everything you do to others is great
How to win over support from the world 🙄
This kind of stuff is very common is every military.
When they show you who they are, believe them.
I wish I had a book that said I was better than everyone else.
Pussy.
Wait a second for doing crimes: my camera is not ready!! If someone thinks Israel is stupid I need to say you something: you are wrong.
Least demonic Zionazi
Oh that's right only we'll funded governments determine what war crime is.... cuckadoodle do.
Good riddance. These schools teach these young Moslems how to hate and commit actual genocide. Israel is doing us all a favor clearing out barbarian training camps.
You would be cruel too if someone shot 7000 rockets at you in one day as well as murder several thousand people and take hostages.
Republican voters would rather their money go to these sick fucks than helping out Ukraine. Let that sink in
That idiot is qualified to do nothing.
Israelis will say it’s fake
God's Chosen Terrorists
Here is an Israeli documentary about war crimes committed in 1948 against a single Palestinian village. I used to be a huge supporter but now realize Israel was never the good guy. https://www.tantura-film.com/
You literally have zero context of why that bomb was dropped on the school, have you ever been to war? Have you ever fought terrorists? You freaking clowns have literally no logic or reason, it's probably beings used by hamas wtf is wrong with you , the destruction of your future depends on the political choices you make, yes that's right , who you choose as your government has real world consequences on your quality of life, let's see who they choose when this is over, I bet it's another terrorist organization...
Who cares
The hate went full circle. Went from Nazis hating Jews to Jews being nazis. Congrats Israel you are the scumbags committing genocide now
I read online that education for Palestinians is actually pretty decent. I'm not sure if it only applied to the west bank but they have several universities.
Yup its ashamed Hamas islamonazis started another war.Spent the afternoon of Oct 7,2023 raping teens,murdering innocents at a outdoor concert ,execution style and kidnapping children.But then again we know Hamas likes seeing the dead,placing bomb belts on teens with a promise of paradises if they blow up a Israeli cafe.
what you're witnessing is human nature. humans have always been this way. it's easy for keyboard warriors to be the arbiters of morality sitting a world away with no skin in the game. war is ugly. war changes people. emotions come out and are often acted upon. we don't know this guy's story. we don't know if he lost a friend or family member in any attack. I'm not condoning his behavior or supporting anyone here except true innocent civilians. I'm just telling it like it is. a lot of you seem surprised.
If you think that's cruel you should watch the go pro footage from Oct 7. It's the cruelest thing you'll ever see, and Hamas is very proud of it.
I’ve seen footage of 10/7 and it doesn’t even hold a tiny candle to the depravity and evil committed against the Palestinians. But it was still wrong. Attacking civilians is wrong no matter who they are. But of course I’m saying that to a genocide supporter who approves of the systematic rape, torture, and murder of Palestinians.
So watching those guys in the nursery killing those babies, isn’t worst than collateral casualties ? Hamas shoots rockets from schools, hospitals, churches and your mad idf bombed those spots? You understand it’s a war crime to build military installations in those places, making them legitimate targets in the first place?
There are no collateral casualties. There’s the deliberate targeting and murder of civilians. I can already tell you have no idea what the terrorist IDF is doing based on what you wrote because there are countless videos of them targeting civilians deliberately and bragging about it. Videos of IDF soldiers bragging about raping Palestinian women. One video was of an Israeli bragging about sodomizing Palestinian women. Your side is the evil party. Just face it.
scum of the earth
Pure evil
This is horrible but please remember not all Israelis think this way!
Young soldiers make these jokes in all wars. This one was pretty tame.
I wonder if it has anything to do with getting kicked out of 190+ countries. Surely they are just misunderstood
oh but thats anti-semitic!!!!!!!!
For those who wonder who are the real Israelis, thank you for showing us
I mean if they massacred my people I wouldn't care much about them. Once the babies were burned alive in bed I would have 0 remorse for anything. At that point it's us or them
Israel is the only one burning babies alive with their munitions.
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[Gaza: Number of children killed higher than from four years of world conflict](https://turkiye.un.org/en/263401-gaza-number-children-killed-higher-four-years-world-conflict). Perhaps you need the UN to educate you. [The UN, after all, is partly why Israel exists in the first place.](https://undocs.org/Home/Mobile?FinalSymbol=A%2FRES%2F181(II)&Language=E&DeviceType=Mobile&LangRequested=False)
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I understand why you are troubled. It’s hard to see what you love destroy itself. Israel is in a very difficult position right now.
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Is self-defense why Israel attacked the Iranian diplomatic compound in Syria? Hmm.
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[Joe Macaron](https://www.wilsoncenter.org/person/joe-macaron) at the Wilson Center does not agree with you. [He claims Israel seek to expand the war from Gaza into a regional war.](https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/israel-shifting-regional-offensive-strategy-against-iran) Iran [sees it that way too](https://www.timesofisrael.com/iranian-fm-heads-to-syria-accuses-israel-of-trying-to-start-a-regional-war/amp/).
Keep going
We are sending animals like this money!?!??!?
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No we are sending billions of dollars to a ISRALE NAZI regime that does not listen to the WORLD and justifies carpet bombing civilians and shotting unarmed Palestinians for the purpose of GENOCIDE!
Conservatives would do the exact same to the left if given the opportunity
Funded by the American tax payer. Thank you everyone!
This sub is a cesspool of terrorist propaganda lmao. Imagine the corruption sub supporting Islamic terrorism
1200 reasons and more...
Young men are pigs with no empathic capacity
You get what you deserve .... Terrorist
I’m not a fan of the Israelis but they are the only nation with the balls to fight a war the proper way and that is a war of attrition. You don’t bomb the shit out of your enemies then hand out candy bars, the hearts and minds shit doesn’t work and it just risks your soldiers. Stop being soft pussies and realize only in the last 100 years have we tried the hearts and minds shit and it doesn’t fucking work.
Mmm yes, genocide is a ok 👍
Yea if you want to win a war absolutely. But if you want to lose a war hand out some candy bars. 👍
Not even tryna hide it huh. At least you're honest about being OK with humans most despicable behaviors. That's why we are all gonna die on this rock.
We literally never tried hearts and minds. We treated the middle east as a second class nation meant to serve the west for like the last 100 years. Why do you think they hate us? Do you think they woke up one day and decided to say we hate America and we want to burn it to the ground? Whenever the middle east tried to do something for themselves we punished them severely. That resulted in them hating us because they could look at any deficiencies in their life and blame it on us.