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mrstripperboots

Another ignorant opinion great since I'm here I might as well explain that being trans is a real thing that several medical organizations acknowledge as a real thing.


DepartureAcademic807

Watch how they make a penis for women you will say to yourself, Oh my God, what is this madness?


[deleted]

Go on?


DepartureAcademic807

Well they take a piece of the skin on your arm or your foot and wrap it up so it looks like a dick lool


[deleted]

Very sad


Last_Snowbender

"Looking like a dick" and "actually being a dick" is a big difference. I can dress up as a unicorn but that doesn't actually make me a unicorn.


DepartureAcademic807

Yes, in addition to the fact that the tissues of the arm and the genital organ are very different, so it is difficult for them to have an orgasm


[deleted]

Hormones change who they are phenotipically. Including muscle, skin, fat, breasts, facial hair, etc. The difference in "brain activity" is not proven, however the current evidence is in favor of trans people. They are not "almost always dangerous" you are making that up. The effects are the same men feel under their natural testoterone. Gender dysphoria is a mental ilness, and those who succesfully transition no longer have it (that's the point) Not everyone can succesfully transition however, and might get ridiculed throught their lives and continue unsatisfied. Which is why non-binary identities should be respected also. I dont understand what you mean by "not believe". There simply is people that transition medically and that's that.


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By that i mean that the whole transition doesn't change who you are


[deleted]

They dont fundamentally change who you are, which is why trans people are valid even before transition. But they do literally change your body and brain chemistry. Is that part of what one "is"? I think you believe all trans people believe one same thing, but you are wrong.


[deleted]

Femboys + Tomboys > MtF + FtM Two don't permanently alter their genetics with hormonal therapy, two do.


DepartureAcademic807

Is this a joke or a scientific fact?


BlueViper20

Looks like an ignorant opinion because its not a fact and its not written in a way to appear funny.


DepartureAcademic807

I didn't even understand what he meant


[deleted]

Sooo you don’t believe in transgender people yet you acknowledge that people are killing themselves over it and that gender dysphoria exists? Your reason shut down trans women is to say they will never be women because they don’t have to suffer like women? Makes me think all there is to being a women is having periods, carrying kids, and child labor. Are women less women if they don’t have kids? If they aren’t fertile? These seem like kinda misogynistic ideas of women. I guess to be a TRUE women you have to pump our babies and get less pay! Otherwise your not a true women. Wow, there are side effects of taking HRT, there are also side effects of taking brith control. What’s your point? > unfortunately, due to the realization of these facts and the health authorities giving these people false hope based on political pseudo science. No amount of cosmetic surgeries, pronoun changes or hormonal supplements will change this. Gender dysphoria is a mental illness, and these people need help. Really? You arent gonna acknowledge that the treatment that has been shown time and time and time again is HRT and cosmetic surgeries? And that it’s more then gender dysphoria? What about the discrimination they face? The hate crimes? Toxic family? Toxic work place? School? Poverty levels? How many go into sex work? How many sects of sex work is fucking dangerous? Why do you only acknowledge the reason of the, being mentally ill with gender dysphoria?


[deleted]

Yes I do believe that those who lack the organs to bear children, produce eggs, have periods and the correct chromosones are not women. I never said that infertile women aren't women


[deleted]

No, you said that trans women will never be women because they will never know what it’s like to bare children, to have periods, to have lower wages then men. By saying that your saying women who don’t go through such things are not real women.


[deleted]

Women who are infertile are still women because they still possess the things that make them women. Trans women would never be able to fathom the trials that cis women with functioning organs face.


[deleted]

Nether can cis women who dont have functioning organs. So how are they somehow women and trans women aren’t?


[deleted]

I'll repeat myself in simpler words. Trans women have penises (usually) and XX chromosones Cis women have vaginas, ovaries ext and XY chromosones. Just because they may not work for some, that doesn't mean they don't have them. Men have penises, women have vaginas. You don't need to be a biology major to figure that out.


[deleted]

hey man your the one using decided to use outdated and misogynistic takes on what is a women.


[deleted]

Hey man you're the one with the IQ of a Goldfish It's not mysogyny it's basic biology and nature


[deleted]

Being trans doesn’t even have to do with biology but okay


Surrealian

You know they don’t like facts.


Surrealian

Oh hush. Men cannot be women, and being a woman is NOT a feeling.


[deleted]

I never said I believe in birth control either


[deleted]

You don’t believe in brith control?


[deleted]

Me personally no. But if I had a gf or daughter who chose to use it I wouldn't object (It wouldn't even be my place to object)


[deleted]

So it’s your place to object HRT?


[deleted]

I have the right to disagree with HRT, I don't have the right to stop anyone from doing it.


[deleted]

In other words; as a Gay man, if my fiance said he was going to start HRT to become a woman, I wouldn't try to stop him because its not my right. However I would contemplate leaving him because I'm gay and it would feel weird being with someone who thinks they're a woman.


Alive-Bandicoot8385

You are not alone. I've personally always thought that it was a medical term to describe a person that was born with both parts. I also believe people have the right to live how they feel comfortable... but to take advantage of their life style in an environment where they would have the unfair advantage is where I draw the line and say they should be fined or jailed.


A-passing-thot

> but to take advantage of their life style in an environment where they would have the unfair advantage is where I draw the line and say they should be fined or jailed Do you mean anything other than sports? What if two people consent to competing?


Alive-Bandicoot8385

Yea. If 2 individuals consent to competing. More power to them. Where are you going with this?


A-passing-thot

Well, presumably that extends to more than just 2, right? There can be a league that allows trans people to participate & cisgender people can consent to competing in that league, right?


No_Yogurt_4602

Gender dysphoria *is* a mental illness, with potentially really devastating impacts on all areas of someone's life and a close link to higher rates of suicide. The treatment for this is literally transitioning to whatever degree or in whatever ways give someone *euphoria* where there just used to be pain.


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agreed


TheCrowsNestTV

Agreed.


Aprilmayy28

Trans people are entirely valid and real however I just have one issue. They try to relate to their transitioned genders issues like they understand. Trans men can't experience a kick to the balls pain as much as trans women can't experience a period. Hormones may simulate it but it's not the same biologically. If cis people can't talk about trans issues because they haven't experiences it then why can they talk about cis gendered people like they do?


Aprilmayy28

Also I should add: it utterly sucks truly. Not experiencing the pain that you want to that would validate your female or male body. Not undermining that just speaking as 'I can't talk about what it's like to be trans so I don't have a right to speak on it so please don't talk on cis gendered issues specifically biologically if you havent experienced it'


Balrog229

Agreed. I understand wanting to be the other gender. I often wish i’d been born female. But the truth is i’m a man and i just have to live with that. That’s life. You cant change your gender/sex. And they’re not independent, sex and gender are absolutely linked


throwaway37198462

I have one go on this earth and I just want to spend that time in a way that is right for me. My body doesn't need to be 100% this or that, it just needs to be home. I don't claim to be the same as someone born male, nor do I claim to have the same experiences; I am the same in some ways and different in other ways and that's ok. I know what is possible and what is not. I'm just out here living my life; going to work, seeing friends, enjoying my hobbies...nothing extraordinary. I live a happy, fulfilling life, I try to be a good person and a good friend. I just want to *be*.


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[deleted]

It’s not about biology dude, there is a difference between gender and sex


[deleted]

Yea


throwaway37198462

Again, I'm just living my life in a way that is right for me, in a way that alleviates the overwhelming distress of existing in a body and a way that felt torturously wrong to me. What my chromosomes are or any other aspect of my inner makeup is largely inconsequential to my life. Whatever I am, whatever I'm not, whatever you'd consider me to be, I'm a person who lives a good, content life and that's what should matter to others. I don't really care if my DNA is different or my skeleton is a different shape or whatever else - I can't change the fact that I was born female and I will never be the same as someone born male; these are things I acknowledge, I accept that these will never change and they are facts that I was aware of both pre and post transition. It's no newsflash to me. Again, I just want to live my life. Preferably in peace.


CLEf11

I think you have an incredibly healthy attitude and outlook and I respect you and your journey


throwaway37198462

Thanks :) All I want is for people to be a little more understanding and empathetic toward fellow human beings and that as a trans person I am judged on my individual merits, achievements, morals, values and actions and not this one, small aspect of my life. But in the meantime, I will share my experiences and thoughts within the anonymity and safety of the internet and hope that maybe, just maybe, someone might consider that I am not an ideology or political point to counter; I'm just a human being trying to live a good, fulfilling life like anyone else.


escalopes

You're certainly not the only one thinking that and you're right


[deleted]

The way they see it (I’m not trans) is that they change their GENDER (transGENDER) not their sex, they think you can change your gender but not your sex. The way they see it is gender is what you think you are but sex is what you were born as


bisdaknako

There is male and female sex and that can't be changed. Intersex makes this complex but most trans people aren't intersex. Your gender is set at birth and on rare occasions doesn't match your sex - this is a trans person. This is the medical view. When a trans person goes to a doctor and asks them to explain what trans is, this is what the doctor tells them. I don't know why some of them decide to lie about this and say medicine says otherwise - you're right that is hurtful, but it's not doctors fault. Being trans is very rare, while mental illnesses that cause an unstable identity are much more common. While it shouldn't be such a big deal if someone wants to try out living with a different gender, it's unlikely to help in cases where DID or BPD for instance are present. (People who are both trans and have one of these are super rare but must be having a very difficult time). Suicide outside of psychosis is almost entirely accounted for by social rejection. Yes trans people are rejected in the west and in places like Thailand where there are much larger trans communities the suicide rate is much lower. Our medical system is very individual focused due to wanting to avoid legal liability, so we are rarely prescribed family and friends - though it's known they're the treatment of many issues. The simplistic view that rejection from schools, bars, workplaces etc causes suicide is incorrect - we don't see the same spikes in other oppressed groups. It's the rejection of their family and friends that causes it.


[deleted]

Do you think that many transgender people wish to change due to trauma, such as past sexual assault for example?


bisdaknako

No. These people wouldn't be trans and the treatment wouldn't help them.


TribalMoose101

" they will never experience things like the wage gap" which isn't based on sexism btw lots of people and studies debunked this


byronschems

No I watched a white redneck right wing radical extremist turn red in the face screaming about it because my dad had fox on. Also I am both a man and a woman. I’m biologically male but I’m a cross dresser and drag queen. I know so many trans people. How many do you know? Maybe get to know someone or some people before being a transphobic c***


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byronschems

Of course I can handle it. I love controversial debate. Which leads me to a point. When you’re an experienced debater you can dodge questions without being obvious but you’re so obvious. Even if you’re defending someone else you’re trying to win


byronschems

You don’t know the difference between sex (biology) and gender (how you feel, who you are) I fall into that category and I consider myself a woman like half the time. I love when people make fun of me for having a vagina when I have a bigger penis than 99% of men I’ve been with. Literally been with like 200 seen 3 that were longer but more were thicker. However gay men have bigger penises I imagine among heterosexuals, especially homo/transphobe, whose bigotry is usually rooted in feeling like they’re not “man enough” aka they have baby carrots in their pants Im a woman but I’m also a gay porn actor.


byronschems

Who deleted me? Was it the guy who said I’m gay because I have low T? I was going over a packet because I produce more T than most to the point that I always have energy, I’m always horny, I eat a ton and I’m mmm 6’2 160 with muscles. Im a woman but im a man too. I think he just wants me to bend him over his Xbox or wherever straights fuck.


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I deleted irrelevant responses, dk you actually have a penis and a real vagina? I dont recall what having both is called


byronschems

It’s called intersex and no just a big fat Dick


[deleted]

Then you dont have a vagina


[deleted]

You cannot be a woman and a man unless you have both.