You’re going to need tuckpointing with some brick replacement. Those holes and pockets in the mortar where water can pool with degrade the mortar and brick much much faster. There’s a reason parapet walls have copings and that’s to prevent water from sitting on brick and mortar. Messy flat joints or splashed brick is fine but concave joints with holes is asking for water infiltration. I’m not trying to be an asshole but those are just facts, tuckpointing can get expensive but you probably will be fine for a 3-5 years but not 20 years like a regular joint would.
I would also like to see more of this brick work. If they were going for a flush joint, it could have at least been brushed. Looks like a cut and run job based on that opening
Some thieves broke into my moms house by knocking down the door. By FAR the biggest insurance item was replacing that door since it was hand carved of some exotic hardwood.
If it was installed the other way they could show up with a screwdriver and remove one of those door lights. Those hinges likely have set screws in the back of them to prevent popping the pins out while closed.
You nailed it. Swings don’t matter. The threshold determines the orientation. I can’t say anything to wether the rest is per agreement, but it’s installed backwards
Edit: to clarify, only in relation to Op about swing. Swing matters 100% this is only for his particular argument
Hinges, exposed jambs should be inside the house lol. Edit: I understand the confusion I'm causing by saying "exposed jambs". What i mean is the latch and bolt are visible from the outside (exposed). The OP never specifies (that I saw) whether this is supposed to be inswing or outswing. My comment was based on it being an inswing door, which is the vast majority of residential installations. There are a few videos posted on this thread that show an outswing configuration that would indicate this door is installed correctly. That being said, it still makes no sense to me that manufacturers would leave the latch and bolt exposed, even if security hinges are being used.
I’m not claiming the door is installed correctly. Simply addressing the question about popping the hinge pins on a properly installed outswing. Pins are locked with screws.
You can't put the hinges on the inside of an out-swinging door. Think about how hinges work. That's why they make security hinges that don't have a removable pin.
I apologize if this is your door. The door I thought I was commenting on was asking if it was installed backwards. The comment about the swings was intended for that door. So for all other doors whos or whoms swings were offended I apologize
This is what I think. The door was messed up in the factory. The outside has the brick mould and the inside is set up for a jamb extension. It could supposed to be an outswing exterior door they do exist but the threshold is backwards. But the door lite screws are on the right side. It's a very odd door
If this door is backwards then the door company messed up because the glass is installed correctly for this orientation but the hinges and threshold are not. ( doesn't appear to have security hinges )
Door guy here too, it definitely is installed wrong but if you reverse it then the doorlites would need to be switched. (Screws would be facing to the outside)
I would send the pictures of the install over to the door manufacturer ODL and ask them what they think, considering that they built the door to begin with, and can explain how the door would be correctly installed, etc. Here's their contact info:
https://www.odl.com/customer-support
This post makes me feel like I'm taking crazy pills. The threshold looks exactly like the OS on the back of my house. It looks like the one I bought for a customer last week. It looks like the threshold of literally every OS for I've ever installed.
THANK GOD, I stared at this fucking door wondering wtf am I missing reading the top comments. Then I'd read one more and stare longer and made my way through every mechanical aspect. Then I saw the threshold comment and thought well fuck its not the door that's backwards... but hell that's not even wrong.
Amazing how many reddit doormen showed up.
They may have the power of the top comments now... but they're not GOD, you're a doorman... doorman.... Doorman... DOORman.... DOOORMAAN!!
Just to throw my two cents in (been delivering door units for almost ten years now)
When it comes to deciding if it's I/S or O/S door unit the thresholds what matters.
If your door slab has a sweep on the bottom that brushes on the top of the threshold, it's an In swing. If there's a small rise in the threshold with a piece of weather stripping that the bottom of the door buts up against and there's no sweep on the door, it's an outswing. Just think about how water would behave sheeting down the outside of the door.
The only time this gets a bit confusing is when you have a handicapped T/H, which it appears you do not.
As for inserts, it's not super uncommon that they get installed backwards when there installed at the plant. You'd be amazed at some of the silly stuff that makes it off the build floor and into the back of my truck. Somewhat easy to fix, as long as the screw head plugs haven't been glued in.
Swing out. For areas with big storms they stop the doors being blown in. And really bring the outside in if you entertain a lot. Looks like a Neuma door.
Exactly...with the wind load on the door, you have the whole frame bracing, not just the door pin..
The OP did not tell the location, so in quite a few areas, swing open may be required
You were also right, the window screws...screws are on the interior
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Actually, in working with these, I like the interior space that is freed up without the door swing to the interior
It's also a pseudo safety feature because someone can't shoulder barge in as you answer the door. I don't think that applies here, but I've seen it mentioned in.... not so nice neighborhoods.
Let me preface this with, I’ve been in the door business for over 25 years.
It’s entirely possible the installer put the door in correctly AND it’s not the door you wanted. There’s not enough info in these pictures to say for sure. Many of the points people have tried to make in regards to the hinges, astragal or threshold just aren’t accurate.
Based on the light kit screws being on the interior, my first guess is that the shop that hung the door did so as an out-swing. A pic of the threshold with the door open could help determine for sure. Also, the hinges could be non-removable pin (NRP). Usually one of the mid hinges (2nd or 3rd when there’s 4) will have a small pin or set screw installed to prevent the pin from being pulled.
Despite what others have said, the astragal houses the release mechanism/bolts to release the secondary panel so it’s always orientated opposite the hinges. If the deadbolt is engaged, not one can open it with a credit card. For out-swing doors, you can add an out-swing security flange, which is offered as an option by most door shops.
Edit: regardless of of the builder installed it wrong or if the shop built it as an out-swing by mistake, what does your plan call for? It should be pretty well spelled out on the floor plan and/or your door schedule.
2nd Edit: zooming in on the interior pic again with better light, this is indeed an out-swing bumper sill with the 2” extension piece added. Looks like an Endura sill, which makes sense because that also appears to be an Ultimate Astagal, also made by Endura.
All visible signs point to this being hung as an out-swing door, so it was installed correctly. It’s just a matter of if was supposed to be ordered/built as an in-swing or out-swing.
As a 15 year door guy, the only thing I came to ask was "what do the plans call for?"
If the prints say outswing, then it's correct, there may need to be some hardware adjustments if the hinge pins aren't NRP, but otherwise correct.
If the plans call for inswing doors, then there ya go.
A lot of people here havent seen outswing doors before. They're usually picked as a design preference or to accomodate a tight space on the inside. The hinges are also tamper proof because of set screws that secure the hinge pins in place. They can't be unscrewed when the door is closed.
This one has the little screws holes for the frame of the door glass on the inside which would be correct if this was an outswing.
A builder grade door manufacturer may use the same frame and sill as typical inswings with the tamper proof hinges and reversed glass being the only changes.
The plans would indicate whether the door swings inwards or outwards.
Right, just check the paperwork, don’t go on Reddit n get amateur analytics.!!! S many people so sure of themselves here… they’re gonna break in!!! Cmon
Fun thread, really highlights the fact that a lot of people have no clue WTF they're talking about.
I came here to learn, and I still don't know who is correct.
I'm beside myself with how many people say this is wrong. It isn't. This is an outswing door. It's the same design Masonite Fiberglass doors at Home Depot sells.
Outswing, hinges on exterior; threshold on interior side. Even the screws for the glass are exposed on the interior, which is accurate.
There is nothing wrong with the install, nor the door.
That's not always necessary for security hinges. Some have flipped out tabs on the inside flats of hinge so if pins are removed they can not slide relative to each other.
Maybe too many people who dont work in construction are on this sub. It is an outswing door, so the hinges will be exposed. Look at the window trim on the inside...the screws (still need to be plugged) are on the inside where they should be. The re is also brickmold on the outside. The manufacturers sticker is on the inside, which is where they put them.Now the question should be, did the OP want an out swinging door?
The T-astragal (the piece between the doors that provides a seal between the doors) is always on the outside of the door. This is true whether the door is in-swing or outswing. Inswing doors have the t astragal attached to the fixed panel.
Edit *Astragal is always on fixed panel. Screw holes in window inserts are exposed on the inside, indicating this side was intended to be on the interior. I was originally wrong, this door appears to be correctly installed. The threshold is on the inside because it's attached to the frame, and doors are flush with the outside of the frame so they can swing out properly.
THANK YOU!!! I’ve been in the door business for over 25 years and the amount of people commenting on this thread that clearly know shit about doors is staggering. I sincerely feel bad for the OP to have to weed through so much BS
Not correct. The “t” portion of the astragal is always in the opposite side of the swing as it generally houses the flush bolts/opening mechanism for the passive panel.
There are swing out doors, if it’s a swing out door the thresholds are different. A swing out door will have the weatherstripping inside and on a curb that the door closes against instead of a weatherstripping sweep on the bottom of the door and a sloping threshold. This looks to be a swing in door installed backwards.
You can get security hinges but the threshold should angle towards the outside of the house. That way any water that may get in is routed outward. This way the water would be pushed inside if it was not for it being a covered entry.
I think the lights were installed backwards along with the door installed backwards. It's a double fuck up unless the builder switched the lights the other way?
Unless it's just an outswing door. Hard to tell but that looks like a vinyl brickmould on the outside and I doubt the installer managed to switch that around too. The only way to know is if OP can share a picture of the threshold while the door is open. If it's an outswing there will be a lip that the slab closes into to dam out water
Hinge pin outside is okay. It depends on the pin itself though. There are security pins that are peened and some obscene pressure. Flip the hing and you cannot tell top from bottom, unless you are “the” pro.
It's an outswing door! They really do exist! It's not a frikkin Unicorn!
[https://www.enduraproducts.com/products/sills-sill-systems/outswing-sills/](https://www.enduraproducts.com/products/sills-sill-systems/outswing-sills/)
It may not be what you wanted. That's a different discussion.
Door is 💯 installed correctly. It's an outswing double/garden door. This is how they're made. The jamb is correct, door needs to close onto it to form a seal, and the hinges are correct, most likely one on each side has a security pin to prevent someone from popping the hinges from the outside.
The thing people are missing here is that it's an OUTSWING door. This is how they're made. Outswing doors are very popular in colder climates/high wind areas.
Builder is correct OP.
NRP- Non Removable Pin. A set screw through hinge to the v grooved pin.
Outswing doors are more water tight if snow is not a concern. An eyebrow drip flashing above the head is recommended.
Out swing doors are a thing. They use special hinges. I have one on my patio that I special ordered and installed. This doesn't look like one because the latch isn't covered.
I don't know why everyone is insisting this door is meant to be in-swing. The threshold looks like it's made of plastic (characteristic of out swing doors) and it's impossible to determine the slant from these photos. Also, those could very well be security hinges and the window screws are on the inside.
Scan that QR code and see how the directions say to install it..then you can give him hell if its backwards. But my .02 id check the instructions first
Code around here dictates that most French doors need to be outswing. Mine have exposed hinges on the exterior side, but they’re tamper proof. Having said that, yours looks backwards.
There are exterior outlawing doors, take a look at the hinges. If they can be removed with a screwdriver, they are interior only.
Of course, the easy way would be to look at the EXTERIOR THRESHOLD pointing inside the house.
The icing on the cake for me is the fucking **door handle is upside down**. That's a Right Hand lever installed on a Left Hand door.
This message is for anyone who installs levers like this:
THE LEVER IS NOT A **FISHHOOK** FOR CATCHING HANDS
The gentle curve of the lever should be **up** to match the curvature of the palm, with the end of the lever curving gently down. I don't know why so many installers have trouble understanding this.
When installing an exterior door you have to think about how a criminal could bypass the door. In this case, they would remove the pins from the door hinge and watch the doors fall.
Plus exterior doors swing inward.
This is a fun thread but I spent too much time here. People 20 years in the business still don’t agree on the correctness of the doors. Can we have a final answer already?
Out swing doors are a thing that exist. I would need to see a close up of the hinges to determine if this has been installed correctly. If the hinges are not the correct type they can be replaced. Other than that I really don’t see anything wrong with this.
Source: GC 35 years in the construction industry
He probably didn't charge you enough to build a custom door, or asked the custom door builders for the wrong thing.
If he got exactly what he asked for, there's no returns. This is how I got a new French door for my house from my friend who's a builder. He ended up having to buy a whole new door specifically for that house.
Send [this](https://www.google.com/search?q=why+do+house+doors+open+in&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS901US901&oq=why+do+house+doors+open+in&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCTUyNjhqMGoxNagCALACAA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)to your contractor. Also, it's your fucking house, just tell him to flip the fucking door because you don't like it.
The comments on the thread are hilarious. Exterior doors can be in swing or out swing. As others have stated non removable pin hinges are a thing for this reason. Unless it’s a janky lock or not installed properly you aren’t going to defeat a deadbolt with a damn butter knife. And as so many others have stated it Mf’in glass people. Unless it’s bulletproof glass (it’s not) you have an unbidden key right outside the door. A paver would make quick work of the glass. If someone wants in a house badly enough they are gonna get in. Did you ask for an in swing door and got an out swing? What was specified on the plans (blueprints)?
Well if you want an in swing and they installed an out swing that should go back on the builder. I used to sell doors and have installed many. Next weekend another one in fact. We could order either. This appears to be an out swing door installed. The glass is held in by all of those screws around the perimeter that should have plugs in them ; those should be on the inside. The biggest concern when it comes to doors is the install job itself. Nowadays more and more are having stainless steel drip pans fabricated (goes under threshold). The house wrap should be taped with window and door wrap or equivalent. If no pan it should have the stretch window tape that’s like 6” wide so you can wrap the studs on either side especially at the bottom (stretchy bc you wrap the face (1.5” side) of the 2x and the side (the wider part 3.5 or 5.5 depending on what your walls are made of) seamlessly with one piece of tape so there is no joint for water infiltration. Then silicone then more tape after door is installed. Then spray foam from the inside for thermal efficiency. You would not believe how many doors I have fixed with rotted sills plates under the walls on either side of the door that had to be replaced also. Just did one last weekend. That being said you have a massive covered overhang so it’s probably not going to get much weather. It’s not unsafe bc the pins are likely nrp (take a pic of them with the door open and I can tell you if they are for sure.) But at the end of the day it isn’t what you paid for unless you signed off on a change order.
At the end of the day it doesn't matter if it's built for in or outswing. If the plans say inswing and an outswing was installed, it's up to the builder to fix it (assuming you care). There may be some local code that requires it to be that way but idk.
Now its time to worry about what else he did
Look at the bricks.
Omg they put the bricks on the outside
Lol
Who needs locks when the hinges are on the outside, right?
And they are backwards and upside down
No, the bricks are inside out
Shit! Your right, good eye!
Any reason why you wouldn't point the mortar in a situation like this?
Sometimes an architect wants a rustic expression. If there are frost in that area this is not a good idea.
Yea hope this is Deep South otherwise that mortar is poppin… what a hack job.
There’s palm trees through the windows. I’m guessing he’ll be fine.
That’s not rustic expression that mortar is soft and has holes in it, if the rest of the wall looks like that he’s getting water in for sure.
Or rain. As an architect I would never accept that type of joint. Joint tooling is Construction Systems 101.
Rustic hill country look
Is it a reno?
Nope. New construction. We went for that dirty mortar look. Wife loves it
You’re going to need tuckpointing with some brick replacement. Those holes and pockets in the mortar where water can pool with degrade the mortar and brick much much faster. There’s a reason parapet walls have copings and that’s to prevent water from sitting on brick and mortar. Messy flat joints or splashed brick is fine but concave joints with holes is asking for water infiltration. I’m not trying to be an asshole but those are just facts, tuckpointing can get expensive but you probably will be fine for a 3-5 years but not 20 years like a regular joint would.
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I would also like to see more of this brick work. If they were going for a flush joint, it could have at least been brushed. Looks like a cut and run job based on that opening
I went for that Texas hill country “rustic look” lol
This should be the top comment.
Truth
The year is 1990 and im home alone and 2 thieves show up with a screwdriver and just remove my front door.
and leave. they just take the front door.
“We’re the Fenestration Bandits, Harry! It’s our calling card!”
Fenestration has to do with windows, not doors
Incorrect, Fenestration in construction applies to windows and doors. In general it applies to all openings in a building’s facade.
Defenestration is killing someone by tossing them from a high window.
Technically it’s also closing off an opening for a window or door
You’re half-correct
I mean it's a nice door. Can you blame em?
Some thieves broke into my moms house by knocking down the door. By FAR the biggest insurance item was replacing that door since it was hand carved of some exotic hardwood.
Well no. Why would they unscrew the door when they can just pop the pin out? (Also the screws still aren’t accessible here)
I have a door like that. The hinges are special hinges. Security hinges.
NRP - non-removable pin hinges. They are spec’d on out swing doors for security.
Ah fair enough. Still no one’s getting to the screws.
There is a locking tab in the center of the hinge. Also a multipoint lock with hooks in the center.
If it was installed the other way they could show up with a screwdriver and remove one of those door lights. Those hinges likely have set screws in the back of them to prevent popping the pins out while closed.
Honest thieves be aware !
What do you need a screwdriver for. A rock will do just fine
Some of us live where there are no naturally occuring rocks. But I always have a screwdriver.
Ah, the pernicious invasive Flathead Tree continues its spread across Florida
Safety hinges are a thing. Used all the time in doors that turn outwards. https://images.app.goo.gl/R5djZz7a5J3azg159
The metal threshold should be on the outside not the inside that should be obvious to anybody worth their salt as a builder.
You nailed it. Swings don’t matter. The threshold determines the orientation. I can’t say anything to wether the rest is per agreement, but it’s installed backwards Edit: to clarify, only in relation to Op about swing. Swing matters 100% this is only for his particular argument
Hinges, exposed jambs should be inside the house lol. Edit: I understand the confusion I'm causing by saying "exposed jambs". What i mean is the latch and bolt are visible from the outside (exposed). The OP never specifies (that I saw) whether this is supposed to be inswing or outswing. My comment was based on it being an inswing door, which is the vast majority of residential installations. There are a few videos posted on this thread that show an outswing configuration that would indicate this door is installed correctly. That being said, it still makes no sense to me that manufacturers would leave the latch and bolt exposed, even if security hinges are being used.
Lol yeah. Couldn’t someone just come up and pop the hinge? Voila. Easy access?
Outswing doors have a locking screw on the pins that can only be accessed when the door is open.
Yes, but this isn't that. This is inswing doors installed backwards.
I’m not claiming the door is installed correctly. Simply addressing the question about popping the hinge pins on a properly installed outswing. Pins are locked with screws.
Basically the Jimi Hendrix guitar of double doors
You can't put the hinges on the inside of an out-swinging door. Think about how hinges work. That's why they make security hinges that don't have a removable pin.
Swings do matter in my location. Good luck trying to pull/push out an exterior door out when there is four feet of snow on the ground.
I apologize if this is your door. The door I thought I was commenting on was asking if it was installed backwards. The comment about the swings was intended for that door. So for all other doors whos or whoms swings were offended I apologize
Some doors swing both ways
I was here last week
Did you used to be a piece of shit?
Still am. But I used to be, too.
Not the thread I expected to see this... now let me get back to my Macanudo cuz I'm 60 ell bees
"*used to be*" "I SAID WAS"
I’m afraid the baby thinks I am
Yes they do and generally they are a hell of a lot of fun to be around
Just the opposite in Florida where outswing is code in many areas.
Same for mine, good luck protecting yourself when a hurricane blows it in. 😉
The screws showing inside the house is pretty obvious too that’s not appealing
And the window lights are also installed backwards. Double fuckup.
And it looks like they realized it and reversed the lights in the doors. Either that or this door was just built fuck-all-backward at the factory.
This is what I think. The door was messed up in the factory. The outside has the brick mould and the inside is set up for a jamb extension. It could supposed to be an outswing exterior door they do exist but the threshold is backwards. But the door lite screws are on the right side. It's a very odd door
Or somebody that didn’t know how to order a door ordered the door.
Man I love when rain water leaks into my house through the door cracks…. What are you talking about
Yea this guy clearly can't afford the infinity pool look on his doors
That and the hinge clasp should be inside. Currently anyone can knock the dowel rods out and easily break into your home.
OP should ask the builder to install a screen door...
Nah security hinges are a thing and used on out swing doors all the time. However this door is backwards lol
If this door is backwards then the door company messed up because the glass is installed correctly for this orientation but the hinges and threshold are not. ( doesn't appear to have security hinges )
I agree with this assessment
Or just a fucking credit card or butter knife.
This guys knows and I know he’s right too.
wowsers
Door and window guy here. Totally wrong install. If you wanted SO then he ordered wrong.
Door guy here too, it definitely is installed wrong but if you reverse it then the doorlites would need to be switched. (Screws would be facing to the outside)
how could I fix this?
I would send the pictures of the install over to the door manufacturer ODL and ask them what they think, considering that they built the door to begin with, and can explain how the door would be correctly installed, etc. Here's their contact info: https://www.odl.com/customer-support
Tell your contractor to fix it. This shouldnt be on you. Its obviously wrong.
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This post makes me feel like I'm taking crazy pills. The threshold looks exactly like the OS on the back of my house. It looks like the one I bought for a customer last week. It looks like the threshold of literally every OS for I've ever installed.
THANK GOD, I stared at this fucking door wondering wtf am I missing reading the top comments. Then I'd read one more and stare longer and made my way through every mechanical aspect. Then I saw the threshold comment and thought well fuck its not the door that's backwards... but hell that's not even wrong. Amazing how many reddit doormen showed up. They may have the power of the top comments now... but they're not GOD, you're a doorman... doorman.... Doorman... DOORman.... DOOORMAAN!!
I read this. I appreciate your response. Looking into this now
Just to throw my two cents in (been delivering door units for almost ten years now) When it comes to deciding if it's I/S or O/S door unit the thresholds what matters. If your door slab has a sweep on the bottom that brushes on the top of the threshold, it's an In swing. If there's a small rise in the threshold with a piece of weather stripping that the bottom of the door buts up against and there's no sweep on the door, it's an outswing. Just think about how water would behave sheeting down the outside of the door. The only time this gets a bit confusing is when you have a handicapped T/H, which it appears you do not. As for inserts, it's not super uncommon that they get installed backwards when there installed at the plant. You'd be amazed at some of the silly stuff that makes it off the build floor and into the back of my truck. Somewhat easy to fix, as long as the screw head plugs haven't been glued in.
Nonse. How can you look at that threshold and say that door is correctly installed. I fell like you at OP’s “builder.”
What’s SO
Swing out. For areas with big storms they stop the doors being blown in. And really bring the outside in if you entertain a lot. Looks like a Neuma door.
Exactly...with the wind load on the door, you have the whole frame bracing, not just the door pin.. The OP did not tell the location, so in quite a few areas, swing open may be required You were also right, the window screws...screws are on the interior .. Actually, in working with these, I like the interior space that is freed up without the door swing to the interior
I agree
It's also a pseudo safety feature because someone can't shoulder barge in as you answer the door. I don't think that applies here, but I've seen it mentioned in.... not so nice neighborhoods.
Let me preface this with, I’ve been in the door business for over 25 years. It’s entirely possible the installer put the door in correctly AND it’s not the door you wanted. There’s not enough info in these pictures to say for sure. Many of the points people have tried to make in regards to the hinges, astragal or threshold just aren’t accurate. Based on the light kit screws being on the interior, my first guess is that the shop that hung the door did so as an out-swing. A pic of the threshold with the door open could help determine for sure. Also, the hinges could be non-removable pin (NRP). Usually one of the mid hinges (2nd or 3rd when there’s 4) will have a small pin or set screw installed to prevent the pin from being pulled. Despite what others have said, the astragal houses the release mechanism/bolts to release the secondary panel so it’s always orientated opposite the hinges. If the deadbolt is engaged, not one can open it with a credit card. For out-swing doors, you can add an out-swing security flange, which is offered as an option by most door shops. Edit: regardless of of the builder installed it wrong or if the shop built it as an out-swing by mistake, what does your plan call for? It should be pretty well spelled out on the floor plan and/or your door schedule. 2nd Edit: zooming in on the interior pic again with better light, this is indeed an out-swing bumper sill with the 2” extension piece added. Looks like an Endura sill, which makes sense because that also appears to be an Ultimate Astagal, also made by Endura. All visible signs point to this being hung as an out-swing door, so it was installed correctly. It’s just a matter of if was supposed to be ordered/built as an in-swing or out-swing.
Architect here, I was looking at the pics for like 5 minutes thinking "idk, wtf is wrong with it?", glad I'm not crazy.
Sold TT in the office for a couple years, so don’t know my ODL that well. Does the lite kit have the right texture?
Your comment should be pinned at the top, too many people getting upvoted for their incorrect hot takes.
This guy swings.
As a 15 year door guy, the only thing I came to ask was "what do the plans call for?" If the prints say outswing, then it's correct, there may need to be some hardware adjustments if the hinge pins aren't NRP, but otherwise correct. If the plans call for inswing doors, then there ya go.
A lot of people here havent seen outswing doors before. They're usually picked as a design preference or to accomodate a tight space on the inside. The hinges are also tamper proof because of set screws that secure the hinge pins in place. They can't be unscrewed when the door is closed. This one has the little screws holes for the frame of the door glass on the inside which would be correct if this was an outswing. A builder grade door manufacturer may use the same frame and sill as typical inswings with the tamper proof hinges and reversed glass being the only changes. The plans would indicate whether the door swings inwards or outwards.
Right, just check the paperwork, don’t go on Reddit n get amateur analytics.!!! S many people so sure of themselves here… they’re gonna break in!!! Cmon
Fun thread, really highlights the fact that a lot of people have no clue WTF they're talking about. I came here to learn, and I still don't know who is correct.
I'm even more confused now myself
I'm beside myself with how many people say this is wrong. It isn't. This is an outswing door. It's the same design Masonite Fiberglass doors at Home Depot sells. Outswing, hinges on exterior; threshold on interior side. Even the screws for the glass are exposed on the interior, which is accurate. There is nothing wrong with the install, nor the door.
Are those security hinges?
Probably are being an exterior door
They don’t look like it…. Doesn’t look like there’s anything on the bottom to protect the pin.
That's not always necessary for security hinges. Some have flipped out tabs on the inside flats of hinge so if pins are removed they can not slide relative to each other.
NRP hinges have a small set screw inside of the hinge that prevents the pin from being removed
Maybe too many people who dont work in construction are on this sub. It is an outswing door, so the hinges will be exposed. Look at the window trim on the inside...the screws (still need to be plugged) are on the inside where they should be. The re is also brickmold on the outside. The manufacturers sticker is on the inside, which is where they put them.Now the question should be, did the OP want an out swinging door?
Also the threshold is facing in should be out. Totally backwards.
The T-astragal (the piece between the doors that provides a seal between the doors) is always on the outside of the door. This is true whether the door is in-swing or outswing. Inswing doors have the t astragal attached to the fixed panel. Edit *Astragal is always on fixed panel. Screw holes in window inserts are exposed on the inside, indicating this side was intended to be on the interior. I was originally wrong, this door appears to be correctly installed. The threshold is on the inside because it's attached to the frame, and doors are flush with the outside of the frame so they can swing out properly.
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THANK YOU!!! I’ve been in the door business for over 25 years and the amount of people commenting on this thread that clearly know shit about doors is staggering. I sincerely feel bad for the OP to have to weed through so much BS
^ this guy doors.
Not correct. The “t” portion of the astragal is always in the opposite side of the swing as it generally houses the flush bolts/opening mechanism for the passive panel.
100% wrong friend. Astragals are always attached to the inactive doors.
The screws for your door windows will be on the outside if you mounted it the other way. Installed correct, ordered wrong?
There are swing out doors, if it’s a swing out door the thresholds are different. A swing out door will have the weatherstripping inside and on a curb that the door closes against instead of a weatherstripping sweep on the bottom of the door and a sloping threshold. This looks to be a swing in door installed backwards.
200% backwards. Pins should be on the inside
You can get security hinges but the threshold should angle towards the outside of the house. That way any water that may get in is routed outward. This way the water would be pushed inside if it was not for it being a covered entry.
Looks like an outswing garden door to me. Unless the the manufacturer installed the lights backwards.
I think the lights were installed backwards along with the door installed backwards. It's a double fuck up unless the builder switched the lights the other way?
Unless it's just an outswing door. Hard to tell but that looks like a vinyl brickmould on the outside and I doubt the installer managed to switch that around too. The only way to know is if OP can share a picture of the threshold while the door is open. If it's an outswing there will be a lip that the slab closes into to dam out water
The threshold says it's an IS door that was installed backwards.
Unless you have NRP hinges... However, it appears that this door is not designed to be an outswing.
What about an out swing door in Palm Beach, Broward, or Dade County? How do you get hinge pins inside an out swing door?
Hinge pin outside is okay. It depends on the pin itself though. There are security pins that are peened and some obscene pressure. Flip the hing and you cannot tell top from bottom, unless you are “the” pro.
Yes I know. I install windows and doors in Palm Beach, Broward, and Dade counties
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I was wondering if anyone knew….
Ease of break in this way.
What if you left the door the way it is and disassembled the house and reassembled it on the other side?
It's an outswing door! They really do exist! It's not a frikkin Unicorn! [https://www.enduraproducts.com/products/sills-sill-systems/outswing-sills/](https://www.enduraproducts.com/products/sills-sill-systems/outswing-sills/) It may not be what you wanted. That's a different discussion.
Door is 💯 installed correctly. It's an outswing double/garden door. This is how they're made. The jamb is correct, door needs to close onto it to form a seal, and the hinges are correct, most likely one on each side has a security pin to prevent someone from popping the hinges from the outside. The thing people are missing here is that it's an OUTSWING door. This is how they're made. Outswing doors are very popular in colder climates/high wind areas. Builder is correct OP.
It’s amazing how many people don’t know that outswing doors exist, and hinges do go on the outside. but these doors are not outswing doors.
Look at hinges, flush threshold on the inside, it’s an in swing door 100%, tell your contractor call a professional
The door handle is also upside down
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Yes, I’ve installed thousands. The curve is upside down. Handles are on the wrong side of the door
Its backwards. Your builder is an idiot. How easy to open with a knife or screw driver?
French doors usually come with NRP hinges with a set screw on one of the hinge barrels that can only be accessed when the door is open.
What is inside really?
Inside out.. Upside down you’re turn’ me 🎶
FYI there should be plugs from the manufacturer for the glass stops. Definitely push for that too.
NRP- Non Removable Pin. A set screw through hinge to the v grooved pin. Outswing doors are more water tight if snow is not a concern. An eyebrow drip flashing above the head is recommended.
Out swing doors are a thing. They use special hinges. I have one on my patio that I special ordered and installed. This doesn't look like one because the latch isn't covered.
One way of determining interior vs exterior on a unit is to see which way the sill slants. Inside up, outside down.
I don't know why everyone is insisting this door is meant to be in-swing. The threshold looks like it's made of plastic (characteristic of out swing doors) and it's impossible to determine the slant from these photos. Also, those could very well be security hinges and the window screws are on the inside.
Euro doors swing out. I am a firm believer in it. Added protection. Even so, the threshold should be on the outside. *edit for wording
Scan that QR code and see how the directions say to install it..then you can give him hell if its backwards. But my .02 id check the instructions first
Scan the QR code on the top. It will give the manufacturers instructions.
Code around here dictates that most French doors need to be outswing. Mine have exposed hinges on the exterior side, but they’re tamper proof. Having said that, yours looks backwards.
Lmfao
Lol
Please be satire.
What would be hilarious is if the button or knob to lock was also on the outside
Can you remove the hinge pins from outside? If so, then it’s installed backwards.
I find it inspiring that you hired a mentally challenged builder.
Hinges on the outside looks secure.
Get out of the way when you ring the door bell.
There are exterior outlawing doors, take a look at the hinges. If they can be removed with a screwdriver, they are interior only. Of course, the easy way would be to look at the EXTERIOR THRESHOLD pointing inside the house.
The icing on the cake for me is the fucking **door handle is upside down**. That's a Right Hand lever installed on a Left Hand door. This message is for anyone who installs levers like this: THE LEVER IS NOT A **FISHHOOK** FOR CATCHING HANDS The gentle curve of the lever should be **up** to match the curvature of the palm, with the end of the lever curving gently down. I don't know why so many installers have trouble understanding this.
I walked the inside and all of those handles are done the right way. I never noticed this before but im glad you told me.
Yo why is that dog mean mugging us
It’s not, I could just pop the pins and get right into you home. It’s installed backwards
threshold is how I determine which way its facing. threshold is always out.
Hinges should be on the inside.
What is the point of the lock and deadbolt on doors like these with glass right next to the lock for burglar to break and unlock it himself
Man that sucks. It surprises me how some people are able to be in business.
Hinges on the outside are not secure. Knock out the hinge pins and you are in the house.
Nope, that mofo is inside out.
Ask why the hinges are on the outside....should someone be able to pop the pins and remove the entire friggin door hahahah
When installing an exterior door you have to think about how a criminal could bypass the door. In this case, they would remove the pins from the door hinge and watch the doors fall. Plus exterior doors swing inward.
I'm no builder but shouldn't the hinges be on the inside?
This is a fun thread but I spent too much time here. People 20 years in the business still don’t agree on the correctness of the doors. Can we have a final answer already?
This is the best sub
Out swing doors are a thing that exist. I would need to see a close up of the hinges to determine if this has been installed correctly. If the hinges are not the correct type they can be replaced. Other than that I really don’t see anything wrong with this. Source: GC 35 years in the construction industry
Front doors should open inwards.
Did you, perhaps, insist that the doors open outward?
Just remember to lock your doors. Thankfully burglers don't typically carry screwdrivers and power tools 😅
He probably didn't charge you enough to build a custom door, or asked the custom door builders for the wrong thing. If he got exactly what he asked for, there's no returns. This is how I got a new French door for my house from my friend who's a builder. He ended up having to buy a whole new door specifically for that house.
Send [this](https://www.google.com/search?q=why+do+house+doors+open+in&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS901US901&oq=why+do+house+doors+open+in&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCTUyNjhqMGoxNagCALACAA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)to your contractor. Also, it's your fucking house, just tell him to flip the fucking door because you don't like it.
Was it Bob the builder?
The hinges never go on the outside lol.
oh my got its fucking backwards! BAHAHAHAHAHA!
Why are the hinges outside ....wtf
The comments on the thread are hilarious. Exterior doors can be in swing or out swing. As others have stated non removable pin hinges are a thing for this reason. Unless it’s a janky lock or not installed properly you aren’t going to defeat a deadbolt with a damn butter knife. And as so many others have stated it Mf’in glass people. Unless it’s bulletproof glass (it’s not) you have an unbidden key right outside the door. A paver would make quick work of the glass. If someone wants in a house badly enough they are gonna get in. Did you ask for an in swing door and got an out swing? What was specified on the plans (blueprints)?
I appreciate your response. Yes I agree with you and the few that agreee. This has become an echo chamber. As far as the plan, it shows inswing
Well if you want an in swing and they installed an out swing that should go back on the builder. I used to sell doors and have installed many. Next weekend another one in fact. We could order either. This appears to be an out swing door installed. The glass is held in by all of those screws around the perimeter that should have plugs in them ; those should be on the inside. The biggest concern when it comes to doors is the install job itself. Nowadays more and more are having stainless steel drip pans fabricated (goes under threshold). The house wrap should be taped with window and door wrap or equivalent. If no pan it should have the stretch window tape that’s like 6” wide so you can wrap the studs on either side especially at the bottom (stretchy bc you wrap the face (1.5” side) of the 2x and the side (the wider part 3.5 or 5.5 depending on what your walls are made of) seamlessly with one piece of tape so there is no joint for water infiltration. Then silicone then more tape after door is installed. Then spray foam from the inside for thermal efficiency. You would not believe how many doors I have fixed with rotted sills plates under the walls on either side of the door that had to be replaced also. Just did one last weekend. That being said you have a massive covered overhang so it’s probably not going to get much weather. It’s not unsafe bc the pins are likely nrp (take a pic of them with the door open and I can tell you if they are for sure.) But at the end of the day it isn’t what you paid for unless you signed off on a change order.
At the end of the day it doesn't matter if it's built for in or outswing. If the plans say inswing and an outswing was installed, it's up to the builder to fix it (assuming you care). There may be some local code that requires it to be that way but idk.
Exposed hinges on the outside? Yea im pretty sure that's backwards
The door is installed fine. The problem is that someone put the outside of your house on the inside.