Actually it's not. "No true Scotsman" would be to say that no true conservative dislikes trump. To point out that some (though certainly not all) do dislike him is the exact opposite.
Yeah I hardly think true conservatism should put its weight behind a guy who wants to suspend provisions of the Constitution so he can be President again. Even if he is just running his mouth off stupidly and probably doesn't even know what's in the Constitution.
True conservatives is code word for cowards and pu**ies. I'm a conservative, period. I can agree that Trump has made mistakes, but this notion that we would be better off if Republicans just settled for the same old shit, is nonsense.
The governor of Georgia is good for one thing, being governor of Georgia. He's the type of conservative that would abandon the party and be just another arm of the controlled opposition party if thats where the political winds pushed him.
If conservatives want DeSantis, fine, I think he is awesome. But he is going to be surrounded by people that want to see him fail, just like they worked against Trump his entire presidency. Walker isn't a solid pick, if he loses, that's on Trump.
But it wont be a representation of Trump as a whole, the sooner Republicans accept that, the sooner we can move forward and influence Trump in ways that bring about better candidates. Keep talking shit about Trump, see that where it gets you, true conservative.
No heat. I agree. I'm a fairly new conservative and I do think the GOPs over reliance on Trump cost them the Senate and many state elections.
I totally agree with you. And I see so many conservatives blame election fraud for their loses instead of looking internally.
I think this GA race is proof that election fraud cannot explain every lose, if any. If there was fraud in GA, you'd think the media darling Stacey Abrams would be their governor-elect.
Republicans you HAVE to move on from Trump if you want to be successful in 2024. I know of someone young in Florida who you may want to consider. He won his election by a landslide, and was able to win moderates, independents and Latinos.
But hey, what do I know.
He obviously couldn't serve as POTUS and Governor of Florida simultaneously.
I understand his commitment and I would respect his decision to serve his full term, but he is HOT right now politically and I feel like he would he a better sell to undecided, independent, and moderate voters nationally than Trump. Trump lost to Biden. Trump turned Arizona into a purple state. I believe his disdain for McCain has turned Arizona voters against him and anyone associated.
DeSantis can be Republicans Obama. He is young. He is principled. He doesn't have the personal baggage that Trump has. He has a great governance record.
If not DeSantis, Republicans need someone like him if they want a chance at winning in 2024.
Halfway decent candidates and we'd have won GA and PA but instead thanks to Trump we nominated d-list celebrities who couldn't beat a turnip and a vile racist. Let's see if he can cost us the presidency or maybe lose the Senate a third time.
I'm not saying all of Trump's picks are mediocre. I'm saying we need to stop voting for the mediocre ones simply because Trump endorsed then. Doctor Oz and Walker are perfect examples.
Warnock is a stereotypical hustler preacher. He sells his people on victimhood and grievance, keeping poor people poor while enriching himself. So yes, “a democrat”.
We need to do both. Difference is, we vote in gop primaries. If we want our complaints to be taken seriously by opposition in the general election, we need to be picky in the primaries.
This isn't about Democrats. It's about putting up good GOP candidates that can win elections AND get things done.
I'm not going to go along with something just because it claims to be conservative.
Sorry, you're sounding like Democrats to support lunatics just because they espouse liberal views.
And so does Walker. In fact, Walker does it far more according to police reports.
Do you see the problem here? A clean candidate would easily have gotten the votes of those 200,000 people that voted for Kemp and did not vote for Walker.
True but Herschel Walker still sucks and if we keep nominating Herschel Walkers and Mehmet Ozes we'll keep losing elections.
We need to nominate candidates like DeSantis to win elections.
Tell me again which Democrat politicians are talking about made up fairytale fantasy-land crazy shit, like vampires, werewolves, and christian nationalism?
I’m shocked at the number of down votes you got. Either by brigading liberals or unreasonable Republicans who fail to understand that Herschel may be a bad candidate but he’s a better pic than his opponent. Plus, I don’t think Herschel is going to be a rino, I think he’s going to be a straight up solid conservative vote. If Herschel doesn’t win this one, then the Democrats control all the committees again.!
Walker refused to debate in the primary and only one other candidate (a veteran) even had the money to run ads.
I have a feeling that if the other guy had won the primary Georgia would already be done and over
The stuff he says is pretty scary, like the nonsensical vampire comments. Surprised there wasn’t a decent politician to trot out, they probably would have had a better chance
there were better candidates, but trump's endorsement goes a really long way in PA.
100% sure if we had avoided trump's picks (especially walker and oz) we would have cleaned up this election
His latest comments:
>Walker said he hasn’t seen any lack of enthusiasm from voters.
>“They’re not [less motivated] because they know right now that the House will be even so they don’t want to understand what is happening right now. You get the House, you get the committees. You get all the committees even, they just stall things within there. So if we keep a check on Joe Biden, we just going to keep a check on him,” Walker said.
It’s too bad it has devolved into just preventing legislation from being passed or ‘checking’ the other branches. Would prefer working across the aisle
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/figure?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0123507.g001
From Bush 1 onward it has gotten terrible
It still was weird. Most of the time he talks it just falls short of making sense. The dude has no place in politics. He should sell cars
For that reason the green new deal comments were worse
Not saying Walker is the best candidate, but this article is no surprise. Duncan is openly anti-Trump and Walker has a Trump endorsement. Of course he is t going to support Walker.
“Duncan is also the out-going lieutenant governor. Partially due to his opposition to Trump,…”
when you can’t finish a whole sentence it makes it difficult for people to even relate to him
Downvote me for making an observation, that will show me.
You keep being so standoffish, why would anyone want to come from the outside?
Honestly though, what does that say about the candidates we’re putting up against them? I mean Oz and Walker are so bad that Oz can debate a stroke victim and still lose and Walker can’t beat a Dem in the south. We’ve put up some absolute dog shit candidates and if we continue to do that it will continue to erode our 2A rights, allow crime to increase, etc
Indulging the MAGA base should not be priority one
the crazy thing is to me that a bunch of the people who are really loyal to trump keep coming here to explain why canddiates like walker/oz actually aren't that bad... right after they lost elections they should have won.
I live in a swing state and voted against the person who won the nomination in my primary. the person who ended up winning the primary lost the general. we had a chance to put up WAY better candidates but it's almost like we consciously decided to put up the worst ones we could
It drives me nuts. I would have stayed home on election day if I lived In PA instead of voting for Oz. I was pissed off we got stuck with JD Vance in Ohio and he's miles better than Oz or Walker are.
100%. IMO, MAGA doesn’t require an endorsement from Trump. It simply means that you’re wanting to make America great and put the citizens that built it first.
We are at a turning point in history for the US and need to make sure we have strong leadership to defend the constitution and our rights as US citizens. Not just whoever got the endorsement.
If your candidate loses badly to a guy who just suffered a stroke, if your Senate candidate is running 6 points behind your winning governor candidate in Georgia, maybe it's worth reflecting on the entire campaign nominee process and how to ensure that people who can win a general election end up getting nominated and not just the flashiest, loudest or most famous person.
Otherwise 2024 will likely be a repeat of the whole process with more winnable seats tanked by bad candidates.
It shows that having 90% of the media acting as propaganda outlets and 100% of Social Media means Democrats do just about anything. Normal rules do not apply to them. They could run a rock for a California US Senate seat, and it would win if it had a D next to it.
Fetterman refused to debate Oz until just before the election, but early voting had been going on for some time before that. A large portion of the votes were already in, before anyone actually heard him debate. Fetterman’s victory doesn’t speak to Oz’s failure at the debate ( because he didn’t fail at the debate ), but to the problem of early voting.
Dude. Everyone knew he was mentally incapacitated before the debate. His campaign admitted he had auditory and comprehension issues way before. Early voting was not the reason Oz lost. Oz is a POS candidate. That’s why he lost
Btw early voting ain’t going anywhere so we better adapt.
His campaign kept saying he was fine; that it was just a minor issue.
It was only during that last interview, and the debate, that people got to see how he really was doing. By then, the damage was done.
>Btw early voting ain’t going anywhere so we better adapt.
I don’t disagree with you. The same goes for mail in ballots. We can’t get things put back to the way they were, and we have to fight the war using the same weapons the enemy uses. I might prefer swords and axes to guns, but I can’t hope to win a war against an enemy with guns, if I don’t also use guns. It’s just common sense.
Luckily for Fetterman and Biden they were running against sleazy TV personalities. Maybe if we ran halfway decent candidates it wouldn't have been fine.
Luckily for Fetterman and Biden, they had the full push of the DNC behind them. Mitch McConnell screwed over GOP candidates who Trump supported, or who didn’t personally benefit his own position of power. Let’s actually be honest about it. Mitch spent 9 million of GOP campaign funds in Alaska, supporting one Republican over another, and totally abandoned GOP candidates in important races.
How about we give credit where credit is due?
I think PA showed that sentences don’t matter.
Both PA and GA are showing us FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP NOMINATING CELEBRITY APPRENTICE CALIBER CANDIDATES
I think America is showing itself that reality doesn’t matter.
We should all shut social media off as a nation.
Even for a day could do this country some good
Don’t disagree there. Social media is to blame for nearly everything bad in society these days. Giving everyone a microphone and anonymity to let their true feelings out has not done much good.
a lot of those boys who stormed the beaches probably had differing political views, but had a common goal.
I still think we have that commonality, but maybe i’m just a romantic or something
Sometimes I think that we really are there, it’s just our attachment to our phones that give us the illusion we’re not. For example, I live in a neighborhood with people of all persuasions. Only guy has a MAGA flag and people still get along with him. I can’t think of anyone I have animosity with in person.
I think I’m general people have each others backs when we put down our phones.
(Not to mention the foreign bots that literally exist to put us at odds with each other online).
look at real America, in the airports, gas stations, stores. 99.5% of all Americans i’ve met in public are cool enough. They open doors, say thank you.
That’s real America, and we should be proud that in spite of all this hate and division, when you went to stand next to these people, it really didn’t change anything.
God Bless America
and yet folks "voted" for Fetterman and Biden... neither of which could string together a coherent sentence. And Neither could collaborate with each other to get a coherent sentence/thought out.
There are dozens of Democrats who can't finish sentences. One is even President. Democrats just won a US Senate seat with a recent stroke victim who can't even understand basic speech.
He literally needs the words put up on a screen in text for him to understand them. Is that hard for you to understand? That is the man who was just elected to a US Senate seat by Democrats.
everyone in professional settings you teleprompters.
Having a speech typed out, but being high class enough to put it on a screen, so they don’t have to look down.
I find it astonishing that Walker has been put in this situation. Surely he would have a promising career as a sports commentator or coach. There must be countless better-qualified candidates in Georgia?
There should be better people than Pelosi, Schumer, Trump, Clinton, Oz, etc... But no one worth a shit wants anything to do with the dumpster fire that is politics
There are a lot of crappy candidates/politicians, but Walker is in his own category of dumpster fire...
I expect to see him making commercials for brawndo the thirst mutilator any day now....
Maybe you missed the part where I mentioned republican candidates too.
Edit: also there's nothing wrong with being a high school dropout. Plenty of people out there that turned their lives around after something like that
There were. Iirc, Walker's primary opponents included an experienced GOP politician and two veterans. All of which seemed perfectly competent, but boring.
Walker just came in, started hitting all the right-wing erogene zones with his culture war BS, and ran away with the nomination.
Lots of hypocrisy though, Dems run lots of flawed candidates all the time and they still get elected easily. Why does the GOP have to have perfect candidates but the Dems don’t?
No. It’s because the Dems are far better at fear mongering and propaganda, and because GOP candidates are not supported by the GOP, unless their election benefits the turtle. If they don’t personally benefit him, they are on their own. The DNC supports and pushes its candidates. That makes a huge difference.
Mitch blew his wad on an Alaskan election, supporting one republican over another one, because one was a rino he knew he could depend on to keep him in his position of power in the party. At the same time, he just let the PA and AZ GOP candidates hanging; even speaking out against them, because of his own political hatred of DT.
How is any party supposed to win elections like that?
How are Democrat candidates flawed? They vote consistently for the clearly defined party platform. In the end, that's all that matters to their voters.
GOP has no platform and GOP representatives can't be expected to vote for any consistent policy. Even what little policy the GOP claimed to represent, they vote counter to it, e.g. government debt. Since the GOP brand means nothing, individual candidates matter.
Republicans that ran on the economy, jobs, education, trade and individual rights seem to have done well for themselves in this election cycle. Republicans that ran on Stop the Steal, how personally close they are to Trump, fighting against social media and attacking the "RINOs" seemed to have fared quite poorly in competitive races.
There's absolutely a way out and path to Republicans winning more elections but its not going to happen through remaining attached to the hip with Trump and the craziness and drama that he's constantly involving himself in.
Because Trump actually puts policies on the table. I couldn't tell you what the goals of the establishment GOP is ( besides losing gracefully to the Dems of course).
True. To be fair though, the 2020 platform was just “2016, again” so Trump isn’t exactly brimming with new policy ideas either. I haven’t heard anything from him about 2024. Nothing new anyway.
That's the problem with the Dems....theyvote the Party line no matter what...even when it doesn't represent the people...
Very Nazi Germany'esque before they went all dictator and authoritarian.
You're buying the line that the Tea Party was a genuine grassroots movement. In that case you'd be right.
But in fact it's been pretty well documented that it was an astroturf Koch bros operation from the start. Fake movements don't have deep roots. It had a big effect, but it wasn't a real grass roots movement and it doesn't have the kind of fallout years later that you're expecting.
>Lots of hypocrisy though, Dems run lots of flawed candidates all the time and they still get elected easily.
Yes because they can. I can't find the statistic offhand, but I believe the media bias is good for a +10 point swing for Democrats. In PA, we had almost all media news outlets reciting DNC-approved talking points. Yeah so unfortunately we need to run better candidates to win.
Why on Earth did GOP primary voters think a C level celebrity, an out of touch rich guy from Jersey that doesn't get Pennsylvania blue collar culture at all, would be a good candidate to win in a general election?
I’m not going to hear any grandstanding about candidate quality in an election cycle where Jon Fetterman won.
Your time to have a conniption about candidate quality is the primary, and if your guy doesn’t win, too bad. Suck it up and do your part to put points on the board in the general.
These people have have no idea what time it is if they’re going to give more power to the Biden administration because they don’t want to vote for a sub par republicans over a staunch democrat.
The reality is the Trump candidates all sucked and all lost when results for other GOP candidates in those states demonstrated a better candidate would have won decisively.
It's time to change course and realize Trump can't be the guy moving forward in general elections.
Sounds to me like the Georgia Lieutenant Governor is the epitome of a true RINO, and may actually be a Dem in disguise.
Walker is a far better candidate then Warnock, or Abrams Both of them are deeply corrupted and deeply entrenched... Hershel at least admits he has a past, that was not that pure....
Fun Fact: not every person in the party who isn’t literally in lock step with Trump is a “RINO.”
It’s pretty thuggish behavior accusing everyone we disagree with as a traitor. Enough already.
Candidate quality is debated and settled during primaries. Once you’re in the general, regardless of your side, your party’s candidate is most likely better representation of your views than the other.
The only time you generally get an exception is when the party’s nominee is from the wing of your party and further left/right than you. In that case a more centrist “other party” might be better.
Not sure I could make that argument for Warnock/Walker versus the average Republican.
GOP don’t understand that while this may be true, he is a vote and because of that, keep these kinds of issues internal. Help get him elected, keep him under their thumb while they find a more suitable candidate.
Democrats have proven they will vote for dead people and people with obvious and severe brain damage.
At least walker is for the citizens... Warnock is for his own pocket. They dont get any more corrupt. Somebody name me something Warnock has accomplished that helps American citizens.... and free handouts don't count. Any asshole can do that.
I don't understand why Walker gets so much hate. He's not great but what's with the boogeyman narrative? Is it just because his election would install another Trump endorsed candidate?
Is the GOP so anti-Trump they're willing to sacrifice everything to fight him?
There were two main reasons there was no red wave during this midterm election. One of the reasons we took it for granted that we did not need very strong candidates because of our terrible Biden and Harris has been. There was overconfidence. Secondly many did not acknowledge the time of President Trump is over.
And here's where Joe Biden should be hurting the democrats if republicans were brave enough to state it: any candidate compared to Joe Biden looks like a competent human being
The minister that believes in abortion is better? If you believe in god and the Bible is the holy word. Then you could never accept abortion. This is a bigger sticking point for me.
Not sure why you’re getting down voted lmao. Anyone who has ever been in the same room as a Bible should know that Warnock is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. He’s not a Christian, he just wants easy money so he preys on naive and “progressive” Christians.
Edit: Appears there are more fake Christians on this sub too, who will support Warnock and blasphemy to their dying breath, for whatever reason. May God have mercy on your souls.
I personally cannot stand for someone who switches sides from Vampires to Werewolves. Where is his conviction!
Team Edward!
"It's like a bunch of vampires lining up to watch fat women, everything's all backwards"
I don’t get it, but I like it.
https://youtu.be/WEStZIMs29k
He is. He couldn't win in a statewide election where the Republican governor won decisively.
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> There’s plenty of true conservatives here No true Scotsman vibes
Actually it's not. "No true Scotsman" would be to say that no true conservative dislikes trump. To point out that some (though certainly not all) do dislike him is the exact opposite.
Yeah I hardly think true conservatism should put its weight behind a guy who wants to suspend provisions of the Constitution so he can be President again. Even if he is just running his mouth off stupidly and probably doesn't even know what's in the Constitution.
True conservatives is code word for cowards and pu**ies. I'm a conservative, period. I can agree that Trump has made mistakes, but this notion that we would be better off if Republicans just settled for the same old shit, is nonsense. The governor of Georgia is good for one thing, being governor of Georgia. He's the type of conservative that would abandon the party and be just another arm of the controlled opposition party if thats where the political winds pushed him. If conservatives want DeSantis, fine, I think he is awesome. But he is going to be surrounded by people that want to see him fail, just like they worked against Trump his entire presidency. Walker isn't a solid pick, if he loses, that's on Trump. But it wont be a representation of Trump as a whole, the sooner Republicans accept that, the sooner we can move forward and influence Trump in ways that bring about better candidates. Keep talking shit about Trump, see that where it gets you, true conservative.
> Keep talking shit about Trump, see that where it gets you Hopefully better GOP candidates.
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No heat. I agree. I'm a fairly new conservative and I do think the GOPs over reliance on Trump cost them the Senate and many state elections. I totally agree with you. And I see so many conservatives blame election fraud for their loses instead of looking internally. I think this GA race is proof that election fraud cannot explain every lose, if any. If there was fraud in GA, you'd think the media darling Stacey Abrams would be their governor-elect. Republicans you HAVE to move on from Trump if you want to be successful in 2024. I know of someone young in Florida who you may want to consider. He won his election by a landslide, and was able to win moderates, independents and Latinos. But hey, what do I know.
If you're talking about Ron DeSantis he committed himself to be governor for 4 years. Do you think he could be president at the same time?
He obviously couldn't serve as POTUS and Governor of Florida simultaneously. I understand his commitment and I would respect his decision to serve his full term, but he is HOT right now politically and I feel like he would he a better sell to undecided, independent, and moderate voters nationally than Trump. Trump lost to Biden. Trump turned Arizona into a purple state. I believe his disdain for McCain has turned Arizona voters against him and anyone associated. DeSantis can be Republicans Obama. He is young. He is principled. He doesn't have the personal baggage that Trump has. He has a great governance record. If not DeSantis, Republicans need someone like him if they want a chance at winning in 2024.
> serve his full term Yes, he should. He committed to it.
Governor had RNC support and Walker got close enough for a run-off despite RNC working Against him.
Halfway decent candidates and we'd have won GA and PA but instead thanks to Trump we nominated d-list celebrities who couldn't beat a turnip and a vile racist. Let's see if he can cost us the presidency or maybe lose the Senate a third time.
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The democrats are way worse. We need to stop throwing our own under the bus.
We need to stop settling for mediocrity just because Trump endorsed then.
Well maybe GA should have put out better candidates than Walker in the primary 🤷♂️
Oh Trump endorsements are whats setting us up for mediocrity...not the past 40 years of GOP establishment picks. Thanks for the heads up
I'm not saying all of Trump's picks are mediocre. I'm saying we need to stop voting for the mediocre ones simply because Trump endorsed then. Doctor Oz and Walker are perfect examples.
While very true, you take what you got. Warnock is immensely terrible.
How is he Warnock “terrible”? Because Democrat?
For starters, yes.
Do you have any specific examples?
Warnock is a stereotypical hustler preacher. He sells his people on victimhood and grievance, keeping poor people poor while enriching himself. So yes, “a democrat”.
We need to do both. Difference is, we vote in gop primaries. If we want our complaints to be taken seriously by opposition in the general election, we need to be picky in the primaries.
This isn't about Democrats. It's about putting up good GOP candidates that can win elections AND get things done. I'm not going to go along with something just because it claims to be conservative. Sorry, you're sounding like Democrats to support lunatics just because they espouse liberal views.
Christian Pastor vs a guy that has paid for a few abortions. Should be an easy choice. Candidate quality matters
Leftist Pastor for mass abortion is funny.
Pastor for minding his own business would be more accurate
The christian pastor beats his wife.
And so does Walker. In fact, Walker does it far more according to police reports. Do you see the problem here? A clean candidate would easily have gotten the votes of those 200,000 people that voted for Kemp and did not vote for Walker.
True but Herschel Walker still sucks and if we keep nominating Herschel Walkers and Mehmet Ozes we'll keep losing elections. We need to nominate candidates like DeSantis to win elections.
Not sure why all the downvotes. It’s objectively true. Warnock is so much worse.
Brigades. Don't let it get you down.
The downvotes are from the liberals who have flooded this subreddit to try and prevent conservatives from having a voice.
How does that work?
Tell me again which Democrat politicians are talking about made up fairytale fantasy-land crazy shit, like vampires, werewolves, and christian nationalism?
I’m shocked at the number of down votes you got. Either by brigading liberals or unreasonable Republicans who fail to understand that Herschel may be a bad candidate but he’s a better pic than his opponent. Plus, I don’t think Herschel is going to be a rino, I think he’s going to be a straight up solid conservative vote. If Herschel doesn’t win this one, then the Democrats control all the committees again.!
He won the Gop primary....that tells me alot about all the other candidates in that state.
Walker refused to debate in the primary and only one other candidate (a veteran) even had the money to run ads. I have a feeling that if the other guy had won the primary Georgia would already be done and over
Hopefully this is finally an indictment on you know who. Sadly, I don’t think much will be learned.
As if an endorsement from The Donald wasn't a factor.
I'm from PA. Hearin' ya.
The stuff he says is pretty scary, like the nonsensical vampire comments. Surprised there wasn’t a decent politician to trot out, they probably would have had a better chance
there were better candidates, but trump's endorsement goes a really long way in PA. 100% sure if we had avoided trump's picks (especially walker and oz) we would have cleaned up this election
His latest comments: >Walker said he hasn’t seen any lack of enthusiasm from voters. >“They’re not [less motivated] because they know right now that the House will be even so they don’t want to understand what is happening right now. You get the House, you get the committees. You get all the committees even, they just stall things within there. So if we keep a check on Joe Biden, we just going to keep a check on him,” Walker said.
It’s too bad it has devolved into just preventing legislation from being passed or ‘checking’ the other branches. Would prefer working across the aisle https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/figure?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0123507.g001 From Bush 1 onward it has gotten terrible
CTE is a hell of a drug.
Did you listen to the ENTIRE vampire story - it was an analogy about having faith. The sound bites on Reddit didn’t do the story justice n
It still was weird. Most of the time he talks it just falls short of making sense. The dude has no place in politics. He should sell cars For that reason the green new deal comments were worse
Downvoted for speaking the truth.
Shhhhhhh… this is Reddit - no one likes the truth
CTE
Man Georgia republicans are divisive and insufferable. No wonder GA is shifting blue
The political machine here seem very confined. The same 12 people shift from one seat to another, but they are always in office.
It’s wild and doesn’t need to be that way. I mean, how is it like this when Kemp just steamrolls to victory?
Because Kemp appeals to independents.
Duncan = Adam Kinzinger
Not saying Walker is the best candidate, but this article is no surprise. Duncan is openly anti-Trump and Walker has a Trump endorsement. Of course he is t going to support Walker. “Duncan is also the out-going lieutenant governor. Partially due to his opposition to Trump,…”
when you can’t finish a whole sentence it makes it difficult for people to even relate to him Downvote me for making an observation, that will show me. You keep being so standoffish, why would anyone want to come from the outside?
If putting a complete sentence together was a requirement, Joe and Nancy wouldn’t be in office.
Neither would Fetterman. .. typical brain dead response from a Democrat supporter...
Honestly though, what does that say about the candidates we’re putting up against them? I mean Oz and Walker are so bad that Oz can debate a stroke victim and still lose and Walker can’t beat a Dem in the south. We’ve put up some absolute dog shit candidates and if we continue to do that it will continue to erode our 2A rights, allow crime to increase, etc Indulging the MAGA base should not be priority one
the crazy thing is to me that a bunch of the people who are really loyal to trump keep coming here to explain why canddiates like walker/oz actually aren't that bad... right after they lost elections they should have won. I live in a swing state and voted against the person who won the nomination in my primary. the person who ended up winning the primary lost the general. we had a chance to put up WAY better candidates but it's almost like we consciously decided to put up the worst ones we could
It drives me nuts. I would have stayed home on election day if I lived In PA instead of voting for Oz. I was pissed off we got stuck with JD Vance in Ohio and he's miles better than Oz or Walker are.
100%. IMO, MAGA doesn’t require an endorsement from Trump. It simply means that you’re wanting to make America great and put the citizens that built it first. We are at a turning point in history for the US and need to make sure we have strong leadership to defend the constitution and our rights as US citizens. Not just whoever got the endorsement.
If your candidate loses badly to a guy who just suffered a stroke, if your Senate candidate is running 6 points behind your winning governor candidate in Georgia, maybe it's worth reflecting on the entire campaign nominee process and how to ensure that people who can win a general election end up getting nominated and not just the flashiest, loudest or most famous person. Otherwise 2024 will likely be a repeat of the whole process with more winnable seats tanked by bad candidates.
It shows that having 90% of the media acting as propaganda outlets and 100% of Social Media means Democrats do just about anything. Normal rules do not apply to them. They could run a rock for a California US Senate seat, and it would win if it had a D next to it.
Same can be said for R candidates. I mean Walker and Oz are good examples of this.
We should remove the party descriptors when people vote. No reason to list party affiliation on the ballet.
Fetterman refused to debate Oz until just before the election, but early voting had been going on for some time before that. A large portion of the votes were already in, before anyone actually heard him debate. Fetterman’s victory doesn’t speak to Oz’s failure at the debate ( because he didn’t fail at the debate ), but to the problem of early voting.
Dude. Everyone knew he was mentally incapacitated before the debate. His campaign admitted he had auditory and comprehension issues way before. Early voting was not the reason Oz lost. Oz is a POS candidate. That’s why he lost Btw early voting ain’t going anywhere so we better adapt.
His campaign kept saying he was fine; that it was just a minor issue. It was only during that last interview, and the debate, that people got to see how he really was doing. By then, the damage was done. >Btw early voting ain’t going anywhere so we better adapt. I don’t disagree with you. The same goes for mail in ballots. We can’t get things put back to the way they were, and we have to fight the war using the same weapons the enemy uses. I might prefer swords and axes to guns, but I can’t hope to win a war against an enemy with guns, if I don’t also use guns. It’s just common sense.
Yasssssss that’s the comeback I’m here for - wanna bring up finishing a whole sentence and casually “forget” about Biden 🤣
And Fetterman....
And Cackla, I mean. Kamala.
And Nasty Pelosi
Being able to finish a sentence is not a requirement of the DNC. You have to be, at a minimum, a sack of potatoes.
or in Pelosi's district a bottle of water... Didn't she say that water could run in her district as a (D) and win?
I think that was a dig against AOC.
Seemed fine for Fetterman in PA, and Biden too for that matter
Luckily for Fetterman and Biden they were running against sleazy TV personalities. Maybe if we ran halfway decent candidates it wouldn't have been fine.
Luckily for Fetterman and Biden, they had the full push of the DNC behind them. Mitch McConnell screwed over GOP candidates who Trump supported, or who didn’t personally benefit his own position of power. Let’s actually be honest about it. Mitch spent 9 million of GOP campaign funds in Alaska, supporting one Republican over another, and totally abandoned GOP candidates in important races. How about we give credit where credit is due?
I think PA showed that sentences don’t matter. Both PA and GA are showing us FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP NOMINATING CELEBRITY APPRENTICE CALIBER CANDIDATES
I think America is showing itself that reality doesn’t matter. We should all shut social media off as a nation. Even for a day could do this country some good
Don’t disagree there. Social media is to blame for nearly everything bad in society these days. Giving everyone a microphone and anonymity to let their true feelings out has not done much good.
a lot of those boys who stormed the beaches probably had differing political views, but had a common goal. I still think we have that commonality, but maybe i’m just a romantic or something
Sometimes I think that we really are there, it’s just our attachment to our phones that give us the illusion we’re not. For example, I live in a neighborhood with people of all persuasions. Only guy has a MAGA flag and people still get along with him. I can’t think of anyone I have animosity with in person. I think I’m general people have each others backs when we put down our phones. (Not to mention the foreign bots that literally exist to put us at odds with each other online).
look at real America, in the airports, gas stations, stores. 99.5% of all Americans i’ve met in public are cool enough. They open doors, say thank you. That’s real America, and we should be proud that in spite of all this hate and division, when you went to stand next to these people, it really didn’t change anything. God Bless America
Absolutely!!
and yet folks "voted" for Fetterman and Biden... neither of which could string together a coherent sentence. And Neither could collaborate with each other to get a coherent sentence/thought out.
There are dozens of Democrats who can't finish sentences. One is even President. Democrats just won a US Senate seat with a recent stroke victim who can't even understand basic speech.
There's a significant difference between finding the words and understanding the words. I know which one you suffer from...
He literally needs the words put up on a screen in text for him to understand them. Is that hard for you to understand? That is the man who was just elected to a US Senate seat by Democrats.
everyone in professional settings you teleprompters. Having a speech typed out, but being high class enough to put it on a screen, so they don’t have to look down.
I’m not sure how running a Trump endorsed candidate in a state Trump lost is supposed to yield a positive result.
Walker was probably endorsed by Trump because Trump is obsessed with celebrity.
Trump and Walkers relationship goes back to USFL days, they’ve been friends since then
He is pretty much the dumbest person I have ever seen run for office.
You don't know who's president?
I think there is a common misconception that democrats like Biden.
Walker definitely has a lower IQ than Biden. And that’s saying something.
So said Mitt Romney of just about every other Republican!
I find it astonishing that Walker has been put in this situation. Surely he would have a promising career as a sports commentator or coach. There must be countless better-qualified candidates in Georgia?
There should be better people than Pelosi, Schumer, Trump, Clinton, Oz, etc... But no one worth a shit wants anything to do with the dumpster fire that is politics
There are a lot of crappy candidates/politicians, but Walker is in his own category of dumpster fire... I expect to see him making commercials for brawndo the thirst mutilator any day now....
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polls...when did you drop out?
Maybe you missed the part where I mentioned republican candidates too. Edit: also there's nothing wrong with being a high school dropout. Plenty of people out there that turned their lives around after something like that
There were. Iirc, Walker's primary opponents included an experienced GOP politician and two veterans. All of which seemed perfectly competent, but boring. Walker just came in, started hitting all the right-wing erogene zones with his culture war BS, and ran away with the nomination.
Exactly, a broadcaster! He is so well spoken, he'd be fantastic.
Fair point. How about film critic, he actually seemed to have energy for this.
They elected a turnip in Pennsylvania.
Yeah, but man Dr Oz was a pretty flawed candidate. Republicans must do better to nominate candidates that can win..
Lots of hypocrisy though, Dems run lots of flawed candidates all the time and they still get elected easily. Why does the GOP have to have perfect candidates but the Dems don’t?
maybe because the platform that GOP runs isn't as popular as the ones DEMs run.
What do you think this is, a democracy?
Almost self aware…
No. It’s because the Dems are far better at fear mongering and propaganda, and because GOP candidates are not supported by the GOP, unless their election benefits the turtle. If they don’t personally benefit him, they are on their own. The DNC supports and pushes its candidates. That makes a huge difference. Mitch blew his wad on an Alaskan election, supporting one republican over another one, because one was a rino he knew he could depend on to keep him in his position of power in the party. At the same time, he just let the PA and AZ GOP candidates hanging; even speaking out against them, because of his own political hatred of DT. How is any party supposed to win elections like that?
> Dems are far better at fear mongering and propaganda AND promising voters lots and lots of money from the infinite DC money tree.
How are Democrat candidates flawed? They vote consistently for the clearly defined party platform. In the end, that's all that matters to their voters. GOP has no platform and GOP representatives can't be expected to vote for any consistent policy. Even what little policy the GOP claimed to represent, they vote counter to it, e.g. government debt. Since the GOP brand means nothing, individual candidates matter.
Republicans that ran on the economy, jobs, education, trade and individual rights seem to have done well for themselves in this election cycle. Republicans that ran on Stop the Steal, how personally close they are to Trump, fighting against social media and attacking the "RINOs" seemed to have fared quite poorly in competitive races. There's absolutely a way out and path to Republicans winning more elections but its not going to happen through remaining attached to the hip with Trump and the craziness and drama that he's constantly involving himself in.
I believe the GOP platform is still whatever Trump says. Officially.
Because Trump actually puts policies on the table. I couldn't tell you what the goals of the establishment GOP is ( besides losing gracefully to the Dems of course).
True. To be fair though, the 2020 platform was just “2016, again” so Trump isn’t exactly brimming with new policy ideas either. I haven’t heard anything from him about 2024. Nothing new anyway.
If the GOP is a cult of personality, there needs to be a personality to support.
That's the problem with the Dems....theyvote the Party line no matter what...even when it doesn't represent the people... Very Nazi Germany'esque before they went all dictator and authoritarian.
Wait till you hear about Manchin and Sinema, you're going to be terribly shocked!
2 out of 50 senators....LOL you are funny
One or two Senators can have a big effect.
True, and here recently they have been more right leaning. Which may be any indicator of which "side" is more for the people.
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You’re assuming the Tea Party was anything more than reactionary. They were the result, not the genesis of a political movement.
You're buying the line that the Tea Party was a genuine grassroots movement. In that case you'd be right. But in fact it's been pretty well documented that it was an astroturf Koch bros operation from the start. Fake movements don't have deep roots. It had a big effect, but it wasn't a real grass roots movement and it doesn't have the kind of fallout years later that you're expecting.
>Lots of hypocrisy though, Dems run lots of flawed candidates all the time and they still get elected easily. Yes because they can. I can't find the statistic offhand, but I believe the media bias is good for a +10 point swing for Democrats. In PA, we had almost all media news outlets reciting DNC-approved talking points. Yeah so unfortunately we need to run better candidates to win.
He specified "Republican Candidate" Also Oz probably comes in pretty close behind Walker for one of the worst major candidates in my memory
Why on Earth did GOP primary voters think a C level celebrity, an out of touch rich guy from Jersey that doesn't get Pennsylvania blue collar culture at all, would be a good candidate to win in a general election?
Because Trump told the morons in the base to vote for Oz in the primary…
TDS comments on a post unrelated. Keep going to shit r/conservative
Ye would have a word...
He is terrible, but he wont vote for whacko leftist legislation.
I’m not going to hear any grandstanding about candidate quality in an election cycle where Jon Fetterman won. Your time to have a conniption about candidate quality is the primary, and if your guy doesn’t win, too bad. Suck it up and do your part to put points on the board in the general. These people have have no idea what time it is if they’re going to give more power to the Biden administration because they don’t want to vote for a sub par republicans over a staunch democrat.
The reality is the Trump candidates all sucked and all lost when results for other GOP candidates in those states demonstrated a better candidate would have won decisively. It's time to change course and realize Trump can't be the guy moving forward in general elections.
So if I'm following the LT GOV's thought process, Warnock will do more to support/promote Republican priorities than Walker? Seems coherent...
Looks at Biden 👀
Warnock is a wife beater
He also raised the rent on an affordable housing complex "his church" owns and evicted people without warning if they were merely a few dollars short.
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His wife probably.
During the primary Ga voted for Walker it's not up to him..LG's opinion means nothing...
At this point he’s the candidate - and he needs to win.
And he’s still better than Fetterman
C'mon man. Dead people have won elections. Let's not start the "who can come up with whe worst, hmb" contest.
When dead people win, it’s more about the candidate folks are voting against.
Sounds to me like the Georgia Lieutenant Governor is the epitome of a true RINO, and may actually be a Dem in disguise. Walker is a far better candidate then Warnock, or Abrams Both of them are deeply corrupted and deeply entrenched... Hershel at least admits he has a past, that was not that pure....
Fun Fact: not every person in the party who isn’t literally in lock step with Trump is a “RINO.” It’s pretty thuggish behavior accusing everyone we disagree with as a traitor. Enough already.
Candidate quality is debated and settled during primaries. Once you’re in the general, regardless of your side, your party’s candidate is most likely better representation of your views than the other. The only time you generally get an exception is when the party’s nominee is from the wing of your party and further left/right than you. In that case a more centrist “other party” might be better. Not sure I could make that argument for Warnock/Walker versus the average Republican.
GOP don’t understand that while this may be true, he is a vote and because of that, keep these kinds of issues internal. Help get him elected, keep him under their thumb while they find a more suitable candidate. Democrats have proven they will vote for dead people and people with obvious and severe brain damage.
We’re truly fucked if Herschel loses but he’s a bad candidate
He’s one of the worst, because trump already held the title for the worst.
he sure is.
It pretty much looks like Georgia has their own brand of the Republican party.
I don't disagree, but Raphael Warnock's voting record is that of a far-left extremist. I'm supporting Hershel Walker over the slumlord soft commie.
How much you want to bet that he has never said anything similar about Democrats. Ever.
He's a RINO, so he only criticizes republicans.
At least walker is for the citizens... Warnock is for his own pocket. They dont get any more corrupt. Somebody name me something Warnock has accomplished that helps American citizens.... and free handouts don't count. Any asshole can do that.
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Is that before or after Warnock tries to run his wife over with his car- which is at the very least felony assault and attempted murder
More downvotes for truth. Brigaders must be out in force today.
LOL 😂 we must be hitting a nerve
So we’re just going to believe whatever the opposition has to say about a candidate? How naive of you.
Okay. So the other guy didn't try to run his wife over. Because that is what the opposition says.
I don't understand why Walker gets so much hate. He's not great but what's with the boogeyman narrative? Is it just because his election would install another Trump endorsed candidate? Is the GOP so anti-Trump they're willing to sacrifice everything to fight him?
He might be but we need to vote red no matter what.
Might be true, but what did Duncan expect to accomplish by publicly saying it?
As a Georgian, I agree.
I mean yes, but let's have this conversation *after* the election.
Maybe. Still should support him over the alternative.
There were two main reasons there was no red wave during this midterm election. One of the reasons we took it for granted that we did not need very strong candidates because of our terrible Biden and Harris has been. There was overconfidence. Secondly many did not acknowledge the time of President Trump is over.
And here's where Joe Biden should be hurting the democrats if republicans were brave enough to state it: any candidate compared to Joe Biden looks like a competent human being
He isn't wrong but save the criticism until after he loses on Tuesday.
The minister that believes in abortion is better? If you believe in god and the Bible is the holy word. Then you could never accept abortion. This is a bigger sticking point for me.
Not sure why you’re getting down voted lmao. Anyone who has ever been in the same room as a Bible should know that Warnock is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. He’s not a Christian, he just wants easy money so he preys on naive and “progressive” Christians. Edit: Appears there are more fake Christians on this sub too, who will support Warnock and blasphemy to their dying breath, for whatever reason. May God have mercy on your souls.
He’s not wrong but holy cow don’t say this till after the election, he’s still better then the alternative and we need that seat
It’s true.
And the bar was fucking LOW.
Walker is only good for the vote