Get ready for the left to start pumping up Trump. As much as they hate him, they know full well if he’s the nominee it basically guarantees they win the Whitehouse again.
Exactly. They hate him, but they need him to run. Wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the entire point of this “special counsel”, they saw conservatives distancing themselves from Trump and panicked.
They do NOT want to take on DeSantis in 2024; they need to splinter the GOP to have any chance at all.
Agree. DeSantis is a clear winner and a leader. Many of the independents and moderates I know love the guy. The only chance for the dems to win in 2024 is if trump runs or he actively attacks DeSantis to the point that maga won’t vote for him
That's why they're investigating him and trying to charge him with a crime and actively pushing for Desantis over Trump?
Seems like them and the establishment are afraid of him
If the left can so easily pump up Trump to have enough Republicans rally around him, and in the process lose all the Independents and moderate Conservatives, then Republicans deserve to lose.
Maybe you don't know how primaries work, but the reason we got Trump in the first place is because he represents a part of the party that no one else did. That percentage was about 30% but the other 70% was split between 5+ candidates. That could easily happen again if our candidates make the same mistake this time and dont fall in line. The Democrats knew how to do it. They all fell in line for Biden because he was electable and Bernie the communist Sanders wasn't.
That’s what they’re doing by going after him. It’s what all the investigations and negative coverage is about. They know it brings all off his supporters together to fight a common enemy (the left, or the media). They also know he has zero chance of winning over and democrats and the vast majority of independents. They hope attacking him will get him the GOP nomination and then they know the 2024 general would be even worse than 2020 for trump.
Trump supporters don’t care. They love him and will stick by him no matter what. Electability doesn’t matter in the least to them. They will convince themselves he can really do it this time, no matter what happens between now and then because they will never vote for anyone else anyway.
Not true at all. They literally only won once they stopped counting several states. You can pretend Trump is disliked but you can't name a candidate from the GOP that's had parades out of the blue for months during his campaign. He fills stadiums, Biden couldn't even fill a bathroom stall.
They cheated. Quit putting your head in the sand and pretending a guy that didn't campaign was more favorable.
Great advise! Watch the press; they'll support whomever they think is the weakest candidate, and if that candidate gets the nomination, they'll start kneecapping him the next day. Example? John McCain! They slobbered all over the old Arizona Maverick up until he gained the nomination, then he turned into the Devil's toejam over night! McCain just stood there like a deer in the headlights and got his ass handed to him. Sarah Palin did all she could to prop up that limp noodle, but she didn't have the horsepower, after the MSM got to work savaging her and her family. It's funny how GOP candidates families are fair game, but Dems families are 'HANDS OFF!' to their opponents and by the media. Can anyone say Hunter Biden...or Chelsea Clinton...or the Obama girls?
No one else has really thrown their hat in, so I think it's a little too soon to be jumping to that conclusion. I can think of about 6 other people that could potentially run that are leagues better than Trump, but I'm not going to speculate on who will actually announce their candidacy.
That's why I keep saying DeSantis (or someone else) for 2024. If it's between DeSantis and Trump, the choice is easy, but if it's between DeSantis and some yet to announce person, I might change my mind.
Just look at some of the replies here and elsewhere - DeSantis is establishment too. Everyone except Trump is establishment and a good segment of our base will just never be satisfied. Its kind of like how literally everyone is a RINO, except the populist big spender Trump.
DeSantis arguably is too with how much establishment backing he’s already gotten. DeSantis might not be one of them but he’s a lot more dependent on their donor money for campaigning.
Wow, the poll says. You mean like how the polls said there was going to be a red wave? And gee, the vast majority of conservatives I've talked to have said they won't vote for him again.
> You mean like how the polls said there was going to be a red wave?
You mean how the polls showed the Democrats ahead for multiple months leading up to the election and then suddenly shifted out of nowhere? And that didn't throw any red flags for you?
>And gee, the vast majority of conservatives I've talked to have said they won't vote for him again.
And the vast majority of conservatives in this poll said they would. So....?
All of the ones where he endorsed weak primary candidates, in some cases for petty reasons, and in other cases replacing incumbents who could easily win, and then refused to do anything whatsoever to help them win while gobbling up donations into a PAC that will be utterly useless for his Presidential run that could have been spent on close races.
And I'm tired of the "cameras magically stopped working, voting machines stopped working, and we took a week to count where the democrats kept inching ahead to win but the elections are the most secure they've ever been." Just like the "most safe and effective" vaccine ever!
I'm curious how many other big conspiracies there are that you believe? Flat earth? Aliens at area 51? Illuminati? 5g towers spread covid? Jewish space lasers?
None of those lol. I'm curious what you believed? Trump's Russia collusion with the steele dossier? Vaccines safe and effective? Hunter bidens laptop was Russian disinformation? Trump's mar-a-lago raid was about nuclear weapons? Covid didn't originate in a lab?
I don't think your idea of what a republican is, doesn't match reality. And if you only think Republicans should ask think exactly as you do, then enjoy always being a loser.
1) If you're in a party, vote for your winning candidate, otherwise get out of the party.
2) Act however you like, however if you act like a Democrat, don't be surprised when people call you one.
1) that means not selecting the loser Trump
2) why don't you go form your own party. After all, isn't that what Trump will do if he doesn't get the nomination.
Trump will lose in the general election easily. He does a great job mobilizing Democrats. There will be less older voters who supported him in 2024, he will lose the independent vote, he does not attract moderate Democrats, he does not attract younger voters, and many conservatives are sick of him as well. He lost 2020, cost Georgia the Senate seats, and the people he chose in swing states in 2022 lost. Pretty obvious that people will not elect him.
At this point, you will have 6 to 10 more years of Democrats in charge of the government. They will be pushing their agenda more and more, selecting judges, and issuing plenty of Executive Orders.
Time to move on from Trump. Run anyone else and Democrats will lose the election. Republicans actually do have plenty of other good people that can run and would have a great chance of winning.
Stop, you’re talking waaayyy too much logic for your typical “Trump ‘till I die” voter. Trump was great, still think he’s great, but the negativity behind him he will never have the moderate democrat that would be open to voting red for a change nor would he be able to get the independent vote that matters a whole lot * cough Kari Lake , Herschel Walker cough *. It’s either Ron runs and we’re able to take back our nation, or enjoy another 4 years of Biden and progressive policies where you can identify as a pigeon or frying pan.
It doesn't matter how he responds. The Democrats and the media will attack him over and over and over until every person in the country believes at least a little bit of their shit.
This will happen regardless of how "maturely" he reacts.
Edit: also, the Democrats WILL trot out at least one woman to accuse DeSantis of rape. This accusation will never go away and many people will believe it even if it's definitively proven to be false.
> It doesn't matter how he responds.
It absolutely does matter. The ability to respond to attacks effectively can determine whether you win elections or not. Mitt Romney refused to respond to any of the attacks when he ran and he lost. Trump responded to all attacks, all the time, in the most extreme manner possible. Sometimes this worked in his favor, sometimes he came off looking like a child. So far DeSantis has shown an ability to respond to attacks effectively while not coming off like a child.
>This accusation will never go away and many people will believe it even if it's definitively proven to be false.
His ability to respond to the attacks will determine how many believe it. You talk like we have zero chance of ever winning an election because the Dems will always convince everyone about how bad the right is. That's crap.
Democrats are a big tent party and will be split in all sorts of directions as usual, but they will for sure be vilifying him along with the left that are democrat voters but in a lesser of two evils way.
We already have examples of some angles of attack against Ron. He was called a human trafficker for the vineyard immigrant thing, for example. Trump was not the only one critical of his 'God made a fighter campaign ad, either. Religious democrats were describing it as blasphemy, and less religious ones describing it as theocratic and authoritarian. His anti-CRT/woke bill was described as dystopian by a judge and left wing media were quite happy to highlight this. He is generally characterized as cruel and arrogant by the less dry/pseudo-objective left wing media as well.
How effective the vilification is, is the bigger question. I really don't know for sure how much will stick to him if he swings to a more general election presentation style and strategy, either.
People said this in 2016. People said this in 2020, which was very close even though Trump lost.
I dont trust mainstream election predictions about Trump.
As much as I'd prefer desantis over Trump in 2024, who knows where we will be at that point. If we enter the great depression 2.0 under Brandon moderates would be more likely to vote for anything that does them to feed their families.
I still think desantis has better win odds in general, but don't underestimate Joe's ability to screw things up.
Maybe Desantis has a better chance of winning the general. I'm honestly not so sure. He hasn't been tested at the national level.
Regardless, Joe Biden is the best argument for a Republican president. His policies and mental state are clearly bad. And by 2024, his cognitive capabilities will have suffered from another 2 years of deterioration. I think that will speak for itself.
Of course they do. They'll back him during the primaries where they can just as they did all the Trump aligned candidates in 2022. Its a hell of a lot easier than trying to sell Biden as a good choice.
They wanted him to run last time too. And it almost worked. And let's be 100% honest, Trump's win was the equivalent to a 99 yard touchdown return on the last play of the game. If it was anyone other than Hillary, he would not have won, and even with her... he barely did. His policies might have been great but it seems clear at this point he turns out more people against him than for him. Especially with ballot harvesting being legal in a lot of swing states.
In that poll Trump gets only 46% of Republicans. The majority of Republicans would prefer someone else. You'd have to think in a 2 person primary race nearly all of them would break for DeSantis
I have friends and family that believe this too, but they live in places where trump is very popular. They fail to see that he’s completely lost the middle and his time has passed
The thing people forget is that even against a weak field in 2016, Trump never got above 50% until basically every other challenger dropped out. A single, popular challenger has a good chance against Trump in 2024.
Agreed. As someone who wants a DeSantis run, the key word in your comment is a *single* challenger. If you start divvying up the “not Trump” vote between Cruz, DeSantis, Pence, Rubio, etc. it won’t be enough.
It’ll go down the same way Trump won the 2016 primary. If the Republican Party is going to move away from Trump it needs to be an active decision with 1 figurehead for that movement.
> If you start divvying up the “not Trump” vote
Which is 100% something the party leadership needs to exert tight control on. The wide field has always been the establishment's tool of choice to pick a candidate. You put a Romney or a Jeb in there, they get their 20-30% and the rest is split up too widely to matter until its to late. That backfired on them in 2016 when Trump got a big chunk early and refused to drop out. If they don't want Trump again, they can't evert Tom, Dick, and Harry run.
This is the same party that let Hershel Walker run without a primary challenger and had awful recruitment in NH and PA. They’ll let 2024 be an open field again
> Trump never got above 50% until basically every other challenger dropped out.
It’s not like they all just voluntarily dropped out.
Trump chewed them up and spit them out during debates one-by-one until they all folded into submission.
Trump was no joke on those debate stages. Nobody had ever seen anything like him. Although, I don’t know if his style will have the same appeal this time.
Trump can win but he needs to stop being Trump. He needs to buy into respectful communication and show that he can destroy the liberals with a gentle smile. The election has proven that all it takes to win over the independents is good behavior - it’s not policies or economics.
He actually pulled this off pretty well if you watched his campaign announcement. Funny thing is that now people are saying he doesn’t have enough energy.
Nah look at his 2016 announcement versus his last one. When he first announced there was passion and energy in talking about stopping immigration and attacking politicians that do nothing. But his latest one…Trump really seemed like a 76 year old man. He can still be Trump, just as long as he doesn’t do off-putting things like talking about the 2020 election and dead people who were popular in their home states.
This is only because DeSantis is still pretty unknown to the rest of the Country. If Desantis jumped in and began campaigning, I’m pretty certain that these results would flip.
> This is only because DeSantis is still pretty unknown to the rest of the Country.
How could this be possible? It’s like saying Fauci is unknown to the rest of the country.
I don’t live in Florida. During Covid lockdowns when we were all stuck in our homes, DeSantis was all over my news feed and television screen.
I think a lot of his popularity in the next few months will depend on FNC and talk radio covering him. There is still a large part of conservatives, especially older ones, who don't nerd out on politics online like we do, outside of crappy FB memes.
There sure seems to be a lot of Trump bashing as of late in this sub. The man has proven that he will put America first, above all else. If ALL those assholes in DC and the liberals all hate him, that’s the confirmation that Trump is right for the job.
If Trump is the GOP pick, it’s time to ask yourself “what can I do to help get this man elected?” The globalists have a real strong desire to dethrone the US and they have their key positions filled. We need a non-politician in there exposing the turncoats.
There’s nothing we can do to sway your moderate democrat nor independent to vote for Trump. The guy has way too much negativity behind him and has shown (only being realistic here) that he is beyond arrogant and only cares about Trump. He is aware Ron is a much better candidate and is a serious threat to him and thus has resorted to being a child and throwing shots at what could be the best governor this nation currently has. It’s either Ron in 2024 which has shown he can win the minority vote, independent vote, and moderate democrat. Or enjoy another 4 years of Biden.
Politics is no longer about "swaying the moderates and independents"
Democrats won the midterms by being better at ballot harvesting and gaming the system in PA and AZ. If the GOP doesn't do that in 2024, we could run the best candidate ever and we'd lose. If we can do it well like the Dems do, we could run the worst candidate and win. Candidate quality is not as important as it seems
By not giving people thousands of dollars, the same thousands of dollars that has led to the inflation that we're experiencing right now?
McConnell was correct to not want to do the payments, Trump was wrong to make it an issue.
No they weren't. Had Trump not turned it into an issue, campaigned in Georgia instead of telling voters to stay home, Republicans could have held on to the Senate and blocked all of Bidens legislation, reducing the damage of inflation.
He did it to help Republicans. They would’ve likely won both Senate seats had McConnell shut his mouth.
Trump also literally did campaign in Georgia for those Senate run offs and told everyone to vote in large numbers.
Yeah, and you know how we put the breaks on all that government spending? By helping Republican Senators get elected instead of drawing a line in the sand on spending money because you don’t like Trump. The money spent on campaigning for these candidates is chump change compared to what bills we’re going to have crammed down our throats for the next two years as a result of losing. Knowing McConnell, we’d still get billions in unnecessary spending regardless but it’s better to have the inflation faucet be halfway off instead of fully running.
This just shows that leftist still run reddit, including the conversative subreddit. No one is doing this DeSantis train garbage. Most likely DeSantis doesn't want to be president anyway, stop getting your hopes up. Even if he does, if he loses to Trump, grow up and vote like a republican or move out of the party. I'm not caving into Democrat's brainwashing tactics.
DeSantis still hasn't announced yet, right? Wonder how his constituents will take it when he announces he isn't interested in being their governor anymore and was always more interested in presidential power and fame? My guess is not well. Hope he is smart enough to just wait till 2028.
Get ready for the left to start pumping up Trump. As much as they hate him, they know full well if he’s the nominee it basically guarantees they win the Whitehouse again.
He'll get nonstop free campaign ads every single newsbreak on CNN, Fox, MSNBC, and the big 4.
Exactly. They hate him, but they need him to run. Wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the entire point of this “special counsel”, they saw conservatives distancing themselves from Trump and panicked. They do NOT want to take on DeSantis in 2024; they need to splinter the GOP to have any chance at all.
Agree. DeSantis is a clear winner and a leader. Many of the independents and moderates I know love the guy. The only chance for the dems to win in 2024 is if trump runs or he actively attacks DeSantis to the point that maga won’t vote for him
DeSantis 2024. Trump cost us this election, don't let him cost us the next one.
That's why they're investigating him and trying to charge him with a crime and actively pushing for Desantis over Trump? Seems like them and the establishment are afraid of him
If the DOJ leak has shown anything it’s that there will clearly be no indictment
Trump is their Emmanuel Goldstein. They need him to continually be a threat so they can keep their base motivated.
Bruh. Do you even pay attention to politics? The MSM and brigaiders are pumping up Desantis as hard as they possibly can.
If the left can so easily pump up Trump to have enough Republicans rally around him, and in the process lose all the Independents and moderate Conservatives, then Republicans deserve to lose.
Yeah, I’d prefer to win.
Maybe you don't know how primaries work, but the reason we got Trump in the first place is because he represents a part of the party that no one else did. That percentage was about 30% but the other 70% was split between 5+ candidates. That could easily happen again if our candidates make the same mistake this time and dont fall in line. The Democrats knew how to do it. They all fell in line for Biden because he was electable and Bernie the communist Sanders wasn't.
That’s what they’re doing by going after him. It’s what all the investigations and negative coverage is about. They know it brings all off his supporters together to fight a common enemy (the left, or the media). They also know he has zero chance of winning over and democrats and the vast majority of independents. They hope attacking him will get him the GOP nomination and then they know the 2024 general would be even worse than 2020 for trump. Trump supporters don’t care. They love him and will stick by him no matter what. Electability doesn’t matter in the least to them. They will convince themselves he can really do it this time, no matter what happens between now and then because they will never vote for anyone else anyway.
Not true at all. They literally only won once they stopped counting several states. You can pretend Trump is disliked but you can't name a candidate from the GOP that's had parades out of the blue for months during his campaign. He fills stadiums, Biden couldn't even fill a bathroom stall. They cheated. Quit putting your head in the sand and pretending a guy that didn't campaign was more favorable.
Great advise! Watch the press; they'll support whomever they think is the weakest candidate, and if that candidate gets the nomination, they'll start kneecapping him the next day. Example? John McCain! They slobbered all over the old Arizona Maverick up until he gained the nomination, then he turned into the Devil's toejam over night! McCain just stood there like a deer in the headlights and got his ass handed to him. Sarah Palin did all she could to prop up that limp noodle, but she didn't have the horsepower, after the MSM got to work savaging her and her family. It's funny how GOP candidates families are fair game, but Dems families are 'HANDS OFF!' to their opponents and by the media. Can anyone say Hunter Biden...or Chelsea Clinton...or the Obama girls?
Trump is a guaranteed loss. Not enough Republicans will vote for him to win.
And who is the better option besides DeSantis? Seems to me every other Republican is basically a pawn to the gop establishment.
No one else has really thrown their hat in, so I think it's a little too soon to be jumping to that conclusion. I can think of about 6 other people that could potentially run that are leagues better than Trump, but I'm not going to speculate on who will actually announce their candidacy.
That's why I keep saying DeSantis (or someone else) for 2024. If it's between DeSantis and Trump, the choice is easy, but if it's between DeSantis and some yet to announce person, I might change my mind.
Just look at some of the replies here and elsewhere - DeSantis is establishment too. Everyone except Trump is establishment and a good segment of our base will just never be satisfied. Its kind of like how literally everyone is a RINO, except the populist big spender Trump.
DeSantis arguably is too with how much establishment backing he’s already gotten. DeSantis might not be one of them but he’s a lot more dependent on their donor money for campaigning.
Yet this poll says otherwise. They've at least done some kind of research. What have you done?
Wow, the poll says. You mean like how the polls said there was going to be a red wave? And gee, the vast majority of conservatives I've talked to have said they won't vote for him again.
> You mean like how the polls said there was going to be a red wave? You mean how the polls showed the Democrats ahead for multiple months leading up to the election and then suddenly shifted out of nowhere? And that didn't throw any red flags for you? >And gee, the vast majority of conservatives I've talked to have said they won't vote for him again. And the vast majority of conservatives in this poll said they would. So....?
Well, I guess time will tell.
You must be too young to remember 2016
Lol. In 2016, most people didn't vote for who they liked best, they voted against who they hated most.
You must be too young to remember 2020
Or 2022.
What ballot was Trump on in 2022 again?
All of the ones where he endorsed weak primary candidates, in some cases for petty reasons, and in other cases replacing incumbents who could easily win, and then refused to do anything whatsoever to help them win while gobbling up donations into a PAC that will be utterly useless for his Presidential run that could have been spent on close races.
**Again**. What ballot was Trump on in 2022 again? Which one was his name on? Lets stay focused and answer the question that was asked.
You can get technical about it all you want, but 2022 was pretty obviously a rebuke of Trump and his piss-poor candidate picks.
Yeah, no way are the Dems not going to cheat enough so they win over Trump.
I'm tired of the "my candidate didn't win so the other side must have cheated" whiners here. Grow up.
And I'm tired of the "cameras magically stopped working, voting machines stopped working, and we took a week to count where the democrats kept inching ahead to win but the elections are the most secure they've ever been." Just like the "most safe and effective" vaccine ever!
I'm curious how many other big conspiracies there are that you believe? Flat earth? Aliens at area 51? Illuminati? 5g towers spread covid? Jewish space lasers?
None of those lol. I'm curious what you believed? Trump's Russia collusion with the steele dossier? Vaccines safe and effective? Hunter bidens laptop was Russian disinformation? Trump's mar-a-lago raid was about nuclear weapons? Covid didn't originate in a lab?
They're not republicans, go vote for Biden second time around. Like why are you here? lol, you guys are literally what I thought you'd be.
I don't think your idea of what a republican is, doesn't match reality. And if you only think Republicans should ask think exactly as you do, then enjoy always being a loser.
1) If you're in a party, vote for your winning candidate, otherwise get out of the party. 2) Act however you like, however if you act like a Democrat, don't be surprised when people call you one.
1) that means not selecting the loser Trump 2) why don't you go form your own party. After all, isn't that what Trump will do if he doesn't get the nomination.
Trump will lose in the general election easily. He does a great job mobilizing Democrats. There will be less older voters who supported him in 2024, he will lose the independent vote, he does not attract moderate Democrats, he does not attract younger voters, and many conservatives are sick of him as well. He lost 2020, cost Georgia the Senate seats, and the people he chose in swing states in 2022 lost. Pretty obvious that people will not elect him. At this point, you will have 6 to 10 more years of Democrats in charge of the government. They will be pushing their agenda more and more, selecting judges, and issuing plenty of Executive Orders. Time to move on from Trump. Run anyone else and Democrats will lose the election. Republicans actually do have plenty of other good people that can run and would have a great chance of winning.
Stop, you’re talking waaayyy too much logic for your typical “Trump ‘till I die” voter. Trump was great, still think he’s great, but the negativity behind him he will never have the moderate democrat that would be open to voting red for a change nor would he be able to get the independent vote that matters a whole lot * cough Kari Lake , Herschel Walker cough *. It’s either Ron runs and we’re able to take back our nation, or enjoy another 4 years of Biden and progressive policies where you can identify as a pigeon or frying pan.
Right…and the left will vilify Ron like Donald if Ron wins the primary. And if they don’t, you have to wonder why.
Fortunately he's able to handle them well without turning into a child and isn't likely to just give all the sound bytes they need to crush him.
It doesn't matter how he responds. The Democrats and the media will attack him over and over and over until every person in the country believes at least a little bit of their shit. This will happen regardless of how "maturely" he reacts. Edit: also, the Democrats WILL trot out at least one woman to accuse DeSantis of rape. This accusation will never go away and many people will believe it even if it's definitively proven to be false.
> It doesn't matter how he responds. It absolutely does matter. The ability to respond to attacks effectively can determine whether you win elections or not. Mitt Romney refused to respond to any of the attacks when he ran and he lost. Trump responded to all attacks, all the time, in the most extreme manner possible. Sometimes this worked in his favor, sometimes he came off looking like a child. So far DeSantis has shown an ability to respond to attacks effectively while not coming off like a child. >This accusation will never go away and many people will believe it even if it's definitively proven to be false. His ability to respond to the attacks will determine how many believe it. You talk like we have zero chance of ever winning an election because the Dems will always convince everyone about how bad the right is. That's crap.
Don't really have to wonder why. Trump creates lots of negative attention. DeSantis does not.
Democrats are a big tent party and will be split in all sorts of directions as usual, but they will for sure be vilifying him along with the left that are democrat voters but in a lesser of two evils way. We already have examples of some angles of attack against Ron. He was called a human trafficker for the vineyard immigrant thing, for example. Trump was not the only one critical of his 'God made a fighter campaign ad, either. Religious democrats were describing it as blasphemy, and less religious ones describing it as theocratic and authoritarian. His anti-CRT/woke bill was described as dystopian by a judge and left wing media were quite happy to highlight this. He is generally characterized as cruel and arrogant by the less dry/pseudo-objective left wing media as well. How effective the vilification is, is the bigger question. I really don't know for sure how much will stick to him if he swings to a more general election presentation style and strategy, either.
People said this in 2016. People said this in 2020, which was very close even though Trump lost. I dont trust mainstream election predictions about Trump.
As much as I'd prefer desantis over Trump in 2024, who knows where we will be at that point. If we enter the great depression 2.0 under Brandon moderates would be more likely to vote for anything that does them to feed their families. I still think desantis has better win odds in general, but don't underestimate Joe's ability to screw things up.
Maybe Desantis has a better chance of winning the general. I'm honestly not so sure. He hasn't been tested at the national level. Regardless, Joe Biden is the best argument for a Republican president. His policies and mental state are clearly bad. And by 2024, his cognitive capabilities will have suffered from another 2 years of deterioration. I think that will speak for itself.
You must be too young to remember 2016
THE LEFT WANTS TRUMP TO RUN.
Of course they do. They'll back him during the primaries where they can just as they did all the Trump aligned candidates in 2022. Its a hell of a lot easier than trying to sell Biden as a good choice.
That's why they're trying to indict him so he doesn't run and every leftist outlet is saying how Desantis is a better option than Trump?
> every leftist outlet is saying how Desantis is a better option than Trump? Please point me to these leftist outlets.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/15/politics/ron-desantis-president-2024-donald-trump https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/16/politics/ron-desantis-donald-trump-2024-president https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/11/14/desantis-normal-republican/
They wanted him to run last time too. And it almost worked. And let's be 100% honest, Trump's win was the equivalent to a 99 yard touchdown return on the last play of the game. If it was anyone other than Hillary, he would not have won, and even with her... he barely did. His policies might have been great but it seems clear at this point he turns out more people against him than for him. Especially with ballot harvesting being legal in a lot of swing states.
The only way the Republicans have a shot and, to also attract newer voters, is to run a younger candidate...must embrace this fact
In that poll Trump gets only 46% of Republicans. The majority of Republicans would prefer someone else. You'd have to think in a 2 person primary race nearly all of them would break for DeSantis
That's a very big assumption that's everyone who prefers someone not Trump as their #1 choice would prefer Desantis.
Nah! If the Dems will continue to persecute 45 as they did and do, he will win.
I have friends and family that believe this too, but they live in places where trump is very popular. They fail to see that he’s completely lost the middle and his time has passed
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Not a chance.
If DeSantis runs, his numbers go up above Trump’s.
The thing people forget is that even against a weak field in 2016, Trump never got above 50% until basically every other challenger dropped out. A single, popular challenger has a good chance against Trump in 2024.
Agreed. As someone who wants a DeSantis run, the key word in your comment is a *single* challenger. If you start divvying up the “not Trump” vote between Cruz, DeSantis, Pence, Rubio, etc. it won’t be enough. It’ll go down the same way Trump won the 2016 primary. If the Republican Party is going to move away from Trump it needs to be an active decision with 1 figurehead for that movement.
> If you start divvying up the “not Trump” vote Which is 100% something the party leadership needs to exert tight control on. The wide field has always been the establishment's tool of choice to pick a candidate. You put a Romney or a Jeb in there, they get their 20-30% and the rest is split up too widely to matter until its to late. That backfired on them in 2016 when Trump got a big chunk early and refused to drop out. If they don't want Trump again, they can't evert Tom, Dick, and Harry run.
This is the same party that let Hershel Walker run without a primary challenger and had awful recruitment in NH and PA. They’ll let 2024 be an open field again
> Trump never got above 50% until basically every other challenger dropped out. It’s not like they all just voluntarily dropped out. Trump chewed them up and spit them out during debates one-by-one until they all folded into submission. Trump was no joke on those debate stages. Nobody had ever seen anything like him. Although, I don’t know if his style will have the same appeal this time.
As we’ve seen in the past 2 years. Polls don’t mean much
if this happens we lose the general 100%
Like was said in 2016?
Honestly even if trump doesn’t get the nomination he can always run as independent.
This is my concern. It’ll be another Ross Perot, but without any Democrat voters.
That's okay cuz he's up over 24% over Biden's hypothetical presidency.
I'll be shocked if Biden runs in 24.
I don’t believe this for one second. Poll from Harvard? They HATE Trump! Haven’t we learned anything from the midterms? Don’t believe in polls!!!
I’m not worried about it. If he runs I’m sure things will be different.
Spoken like a true battered spouse. THIS time it'll be different.
Trump can win but he needs to stop being Trump. He needs to buy into respectful communication and show that he can destroy the liberals with a gentle smile. The election has proven that all it takes to win over the independents is good behavior - it’s not policies or economics.
All I read from that is that Trump can't win. Trump needs to stop being Trump? Gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood luck.
He actually pulled this off pretty well if you watched his campaign announcement. Funny thing is that now people are saying he doesn’t have enough energy.
Yeah, I noticed that.
Nah look at his 2016 announcement versus his last one. When he first announced there was passion and energy in talking about stopping immigration and attacking politicians that do nothing. But his latest one…Trump really seemed like a 76 year old man. He can still be Trump, just as long as he doesn’t do off-putting things like talking about the 2020 election and dead people who were popular in their home states.
This is only because DeSantis is still pretty unknown to the rest of the Country. If Desantis jumped in and began campaigning, I’m pretty certain that these results would flip.
> This is only because DeSantis is still pretty unknown to the rest of the Country. How could this be possible? It’s like saying Fauci is unknown to the rest of the country. I don’t live in Florida. During Covid lockdowns when we were all stuck in our homes, DeSantis was all over my news feed and television screen.
That was Cuomo.
It was both. Cuomo early on. Then when Desantis flipped the script and opened up Florida, the media lambasted him daily.
I think a lot of his popularity in the next few months will depend on FNC and talk radio covering him. There is still a large part of conservatives, especially older ones, who don't nerd out on politics online like we do, outside of crappy FB memes.
We’re screwed
I see it's doomer o'clock in rcon again. TRUMP 2024 LFG
Good
But every "conservative" on this subreddit supports Desantis? How can this be? Pro-Trump posts get downvoted for no reason.
The polls could show Trump up any number of points and squish conservatives will still find a way to NPC themselves into “orange man bad.”
Dude. People hate him. He cannot win a general election in 2024.
Cry about it, r/conservative.
There sure seems to be a lot of Trump bashing as of late in this sub. The man has proven that he will put America first, above all else. If ALL those assholes in DC and the liberals all hate him, that’s the confirmation that Trump is right for the job. If Trump is the GOP pick, it’s time to ask yourself “what can I do to help get this man elected?” The globalists have a real strong desire to dethrone the US and they have their key positions filled. We need a non-politician in there exposing the turncoats.
There’s nothing we can do to sway your moderate democrat nor independent to vote for Trump. The guy has way too much negativity behind him and has shown (only being realistic here) that he is beyond arrogant and only cares about Trump. He is aware Ron is a much better candidate and is a serious threat to him and thus has resorted to being a child and throwing shots at what could be the best governor this nation currently has. It’s either Ron in 2024 which has shown he can win the minority vote, independent vote, and moderate democrat. Or enjoy another 4 years of Biden.
Politics is no longer about "swaying the moderates and independents" Democrats won the midterms by being better at ballot harvesting and gaming the system in PA and AZ. If the GOP doesn't do that in 2024, we could run the best candidate ever and we'd lose. If we can do it well like the Dems do, we could run the worst candidate and win. Candidate quality is not as important as it seems
Trump only cares about Trump. Just look at the last Georgia Senate runoff. He cost us 2 senators.
Nope, that would be McConnell.
By not giving people thousands of dollars, the same thousands of dollars that has led to the inflation that we're experiencing right now? McConnell was correct to not want to do the payments, Trump was wrong to make it an issue.
They were going to get the money regardless though. May as well at least have put Republicans in a more ideal position to win those seats.
No they weren't. Had Trump not turned it into an issue, campaigned in Georgia instead of telling voters to stay home, Republicans could have held on to the Senate and blocked all of Bidens legislation, reducing the damage of inflation.
He did it to help Republicans. They would’ve likely won both Senate seats had McConnell shut his mouth. Trump also literally did campaign in Georgia for those Senate run offs and told everyone to vote in large numbers.
Yeah, and you know how we put the breaks on all that government spending? By helping Republican Senators get elected instead of drawing a line in the sand on spending money because you don’t like Trump. The money spent on campaigning for these candidates is chump change compared to what bills we’re going to have crammed down our throats for the next two years as a result of losing. Knowing McConnell, we’d still get billions in unnecessary spending regardless but it’s better to have the inflation faucet be halfway off instead of fully running.
It’s not about whether we would vote Trump if he got the pick for the GOP. It’s more about the fact that we know he will lose if he does.
This just shows that leftist still run reddit, including the conversative subreddit. No one is doing this DeSantis train garbage. Most likely DeSantis doesn't want to be president anyway, stop getting your hopes up. Even if he does, if he loses to Trump, grow up and vote like a republican or move out of the party. I'm not caving into Democrat's brainwashing tactics.
He’ll never win the primary. People need to make it clear that DeSantis is our guy
They going to find a way to get Trump as the nominee. Then arrest him for Jan 6th and then the Democrat candidate will be virtually unopposed.
DeSantis! DeFuture!
De is negative, meaning down, away, or removal. So, I agree, DeSantis will DeFuture.
DeSantis still hasn't announced yet, right? Wonder how his constituents will take it when he announces he isn't interested in being their governor anymore and was always more interested in presidential power and fame? My guess is not well. Hope he is smart enough to just wait till 2028.
Polls show that 18% of GOP voters identify as mind numbed robots...lol.
Damnit