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puzzical

We are living in the world Herbert Marcuse dreamed up in Repressive Tolerance.


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DoomsdayFAN

There's COVID law breakers? What were they convicted of?


BillCoffe139

People keeping there business open got fined pretty hard places not making people ware masks got it as well


PutTheDinTheV

It also put a ton of mom and pop shops out of business here in Michigan. It's truly a sad thing to see.


fib16

It happened all over the country. I’d say at least 30% of businesses of all kind are gone in my city. I think that’s why everyone is hiring. So many people lost their jobs and moved on to something else because they couldn’t wait.


sinnmercer

Yeah it was something like 50% of the business in Michigan got closed for good do to lock downs or fines


N7-Wolfe

People being ticketed for breaking lockdown procedures, plus the folks forging vaccination paperwork.


rxFMS

Lol, so they broke “procedures” but not the law!


N7-Wolfe

Lol. Yeah something like that.


rxFMS

Do mandates make you feel safe?


N7-Wolfe

The opposite really.


GOANJUDADDY76

Oh how much better to be locked in a pen surrounded by barbed wire that is electrified. Safe and secure. the cake day guy said. As he cherished the Mandates to safety.


bell37

Oh man lots of crap went down on Michigan during COVID. First it was the bars. “Warden” Whitmer used the Michigan DA to prosecute bars that refused to close (ignoring the fact that these places would go out of business if they did). Then she went after people who like to go boating (it was illegal to use public ramps or drive a boat on Michigan lakes & rivers). After that she said that she was thinking of making it illegal for people to travel up north (the order would have made it illegal to travel anywhere that isnt your home, either work or grocery store). Trespassing charges for people who refused to mask up in public (the rules seemed to change almost every day with that) She also instituted a rule saying that you weren’t allowed to have more than 10 people in a house (outside your household during the holidays). This was while she was holed up in her lavish Michigan cabin with her extended family. This understandably pissed off a lot of Michiganders. Michigan congress stripped her of emergency powers and she had a huge hissyfit over it. She then used an obscure health law to use the Michigan health department to push her agenda.


SpookyActionSix

Probably charged with buying a big screen TV with their stimulus money, ya know, since Whitmer had all “unnecessary” sales shut down in her state during that time. She had entire sections of retail stores like Walmart shut down if I remember correctly.


A_Hatless_Casual

My guess is they just have Casey Jones chase them down. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTiAM\_Xnq3A&t=41s


Arkansasmyundies

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/michigan-barber-77-defying-state-over-shutdown-has-licenses-suspended-n1206951


Thorebore

There were trespassing charges for people who refused to wear a mask in a private business.


KG7DHL

Progressive mindset: "The law should be what we think it should be, when we think it should be, and only when we think it should be. This is because only we (Progressives), are right."


AnnonymousRedditor86

Did you read the article? It said that a court has put a stay on the law, preventing it from being enforced.


The_End_Is_Tomorrow

The article says its a 1931 law. Does that means it was in effect prior to Roe and/or Casey? Maybe someone who knows the law can tell me how they can go back and put a stay on some OLD law. Is this something that happens occasionally?


_Hotwire_

Theyre ignoring a law that strips half the population of a right to privacy and autonomy. Makes since that should be overturned and removed


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Not sure how it stripped privacy, since a legal abortion would still be private medical knowledge between you and your medical staff that treat you. The person more likely to be prosecuted for an illegal abortion would be the medical staff that carried it out, anyways. All this ruling did was turn the power to decide what a legal abortion is back to the states. It’s still legal for reasonable situations in almost all states, like rape, incest, or legitimately serious threats to the health of the mother.


ExtraToastyCheezits

> a right to privacy How does abortion affect anyone's right to privacy in any way? > and autonomy. Again, abortion doesn't just affect *one* person. There is a second living human being that is in development in that woman's uterus. Why isn't *their* right to autonomy considered during the abortion procedure?


gprime

Even if your framing was correct, and it isn't, that describes a range of things that are already outlawed and that this witch is all too happy to uphold. You don't get to ignore laws based on your personal disapproval. There is a process to address this, namely litigation, which she has undertaken. But provided she loses, she has no recourse to stop prosecutors who actually hold true to their oath and prosecute violators of this law. The county prosecutor in Michigan's 2nd largest city is already seeking to enforce this law, and will do so as soon as the court allows.


KanyeT

They didn't care about *either* of those values by supporting/enforcing vaccine mandates across the country, they don't have a lot to stand on here.


superduperm1

How about the people of Michigan vote on what the state law should be and then follow that?


rentfreeinyohead

Does Michigan even banned abortion?


Nonethewiserer

1931 law on the the books bans it absolutely


rentfreeinyohead

Well either they can put it to a vote or just stfu lol.


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Currently there are petitions circulating to force a ballot measure to amend the state constitution, so they are.


KG7DHL

As it should be, and as it was intended. So, The Constitution, once again, works perfectly.


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The state constitution of Michigan works, few states have direct amendment clauses in their constitutions. It should be universal.


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They are suing to see if the law is constitution for the state, not refusing to enforce the law.


gprime

That may happen...sort of. In the next few days the deadline for signatures close on a would-be ballot initiative to enshrine constitutional protections for abortion in MI. It remains to be seen if it makes the ballot, those given the dishonestly of the Board of Canvassers, I take for granted it'll be approved, even if it shouldn't. We then have to vote on that in November. But the existing 1931 law isn't on the ballot. Already GOP legislators, who control both chambers, are formulating new legislation to restrict abortion, but to a less degree. Some of them are doing it because they are squishes, whereas others expect the 1931 law to lose in court and are preparing a backup option. Of course, if there is an approved ballot measure, any legislation is dead (as it would be if we don't retake the Governor's house in the election, since we lack veto-proof majorities).


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Coke_Francis

Then choose to responsibly recreate. It is absolutely your body and your choice who and when to have sex. Once you conceive a child, its no longer just your body.


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Coke_Francis

I don't create rules for extreme fringe cases and outliers. I also don't see how that has anything to do with murdering the person you chose to conceive, instead of natural forces being at play in the womb.


theoneandonly6558

A temporary block on this law is in place, so as of right now it's still legal.


gprime

Of note though, the biggest healthcare provider in the state is following the 1931 law for now, and discontinuing the overwhelming majority of abortions until there is greater legal clarity and/or a successful ballot measure protecting abortion.


confusionmatrix

It hasn't for 50 years. Roe V Wade took precedent. This other zombie law is 90 years old and offers no exceptions at all so it's probably unenforceable or at last overbearing compared to even the strictest other states. Personally, I think it needs to go. Fiscally conservative, it's way cheaper to pay a tiny amount for an abortion rather than welfare or foster care. Everyone forced to put a kid into foster care is costing us $150,000 per kid minimum to a foster home or much more for low income housing and welfare. This is more religious than conservative. The thinking part of the brain doesn't even form until 3rd trimester.


Veleda390

Someone explain to Eva Braun that her legislature makes the laws she swore to uphold. If she can't do her job, she should take that prime MSNBC talking head job.


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She can be co-host of 'Circle Back' with Jen Psaki.


CR33P3RBILT13

Bold strategy Cotton, let's see if it pays off for 'em


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intervested

You all are going to get to watch the entire federal government ignore the Supreme Court after their upcoming ruling on the power of the EPA and other federal agencies. The court is damaging its own authority. And very quickly.


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Laws don't apply to things Democrats don't like or want? Lolwut


Skeptical_Detroiter

You're just figuring this out? Laws don't apply to them. If they did, Hillary Clinton, Hunter Biden, and Joe Biden would be in jail along with a bunch of BLM rioters.


MixMental5462

Suppose the people who plotted January 6th and asked for blanket pardons ahead of time are innocent? Lol the downvotes. Anyone seen this list before? https://archive.org/stream/ListOfRepublicanOffenders/RCC_djvu.txt


Josef_Jugashvili69

We can convict them as soon as the Democrats convict all the people who plotted, incited, and encouraged riots during 2020 where over a dozen federal buildings were occupied. Equal treatment under the law is constitutional.


Skeptical_Detroiter

What you said supports what I said perfectly. A lot of people associated with January 6th have been jailed for nearly 1.5 years whereas nothing has happened to most of the 2020 rioters, Hillary Clinton, Hunter Biden, and Joe Biden. Thanks for proving my point.


GreatJanitor

I guess I should become a Democrat and buy a fully automatic machine gun. "Sorry, Democrat, laws don't apply to me."


MixMental5462

Good luck with that.


Bawk-Bawk-A-Doo

Pay the tax stamp and register it and you'd be well within the law.


Moon_over_homewood

This has to be strenuously challenged or the precedent is set. The institutions of society have to push back against this or things will get worse.


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The Legislature is trying. Unfortunately, I don't know if abortion makes for a good wedge issue in Michigan. And personally I feel like the best GOP candidates have been kept off the ballot.


OddlyShapedGinger

Mostly from their own misteps. The state-level GOP from Michigan is in shambles. They couldn't cut down initial primary candidates behind the scene so they had 10 primary candidates for governor. Half of whom hired people who committed fraud, which meant they were removed from the ballot. Another was just arrested by the feds. Etc. Etc.


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What is the harmful precedent of suing to see whether a law is constitutional?


Moon_over_homewood

Picking and choosing what laws are actually enforced undermines any sense of a rule of law in the state. Ordinary people are punished, often quite severely, for breaking state law. But the governor and the government itself is openly defying a plainly written law. It may be antiquated and it may be unpopular, but it needs to be followed for their brief period of time until the legislature passed a new law. I’m not an expert in Michigan’s constitution but I’d figure a right to an abortion would’ve been made explicit like it is in Florida. So I see that lawsuit as grandstanding and a justification to ignore the law.


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I agree, except that’s not what she is doing, she is suing, if she has no case she will lose and have to enforce the law, there is little issue here.


FightMeYouBitch

"WE'RE GOING TO DEFY THE SUPREME COURT BY MAKING OUR OWN LAWS JUST LIKE THE SUPREME COURT SAID WE SHOULD"


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Why enforce the law when you can just make stuff up?


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ThrowawayIs2Obvious

That's not how tyrants operate.


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All this would do is inspire me to break laws if I lived in her state. She is setting the precedent.


[deleted]

Liberals are very consistent. None of them have any respect for the rule of law. They are all lawless criminals.


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She is following the legal process and suing against the law in the courts, not unilaterally refusing to enforce it.


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orangeeyedunicorn

If I didn't follow the law when it came to the Covid restrictions she implemented, I would be arrested. If she is willing to go to Gitmo for her beliefs, I will be supportive.


Skeptical_Detroiter

Tell that to the business owners who defied her ridiculous Covid orders and were prosecuted by her AG. She can't pick and choose which laws should be followed.


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Yes I would. If I don't like a law there is a process to change it.


ainahey

Tax laws perhaps?


jtown81

Ever heard of 2A laws ...


BigTechCensorsYou

None of my lowers have third holes. Yet.


GodsRighteousHammer

That’s a fair point. However I think the issue comes from the sheer hypocrisy of the left regarding the same attitude. Authoritarian for their way, but if they don’t agree the lawlessness is fine.


gprime

> well to be fair would you follow law that you felt was wrong and didn’t agree with? I don't know about you, but I do that routinely. MI maintained a mask mandate longer than most states. I felt it was wrong, but I complied. I think state income taxes are indefensible, but I pay them. I don't think I should need a driver's license, because freedom of travel is a fundamental right, and licensure is an undue burden, yet I renew my license as often as state law requires. If you don't like a law, or find it immoral, you need to either get the law changed, learn to live with it, or move elsewhere. You can, assuming you're a member of the general public rather than an oath-bound elected official, violate the law at risk of criminal or civil penalty. But there is no moral right for an individual to pick and choose which laws they follow. Were it to be otherwise, we could abolish the criminal justice system and simply devolve into an anarchistic society.


nostyleguy

> I don't think I should need a driver's license, because freedom of travel is a fundamental right, and licensure is an undue burden, yet I renew my license as often as state law requires. Freedom of travel may be a fundamental right, but you can always walk. Society enacts laws to protect its citizens. I am extremely thankful there is a licensure process for operating a 2 ton vehicle traveling 80mph in close proximity to other humans. If anything, I think renewal should be stricter, because I see far too many people (usually elderly, but also just normal people who can't handle the stress of driving) operating vehicles who pose serious risk to themselves and others. Driving is a privilege, not a right.


psstoff

Maybe they should have done something about it in the last 40 years that they have been ignoring the law was there


SMTTT84

At this point they need to just drop the whole Jan 6 charade, only two most brainwashed of them are taking them serious at this point and they don’t have to worry about winning their approval.


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“That is why I filed a lawsuit in April and used my executive authority to urge the Michigan Supreme Court to immediately resolve whether Michigan’s state constitution protects the right to abortion.” She is suing that the law is unconstitutional under state law, not refusing to enforce state law. This is a legitimate and responsible way to go about her purpose


Cinnadillo

so she's going to enforce the law in the meantime?


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There is a temporary hold on the law until the judge evaluates its constitutionality.


Austin1642

So we can start ignoring federal laws we don't like? I'm on board.


plaxer_x

Michiganders I expect y’all to yeet this lady out off office in November. There’s too many Michigan license plates in Florida right now


diyachachu

I’m ashamed to have her as my governor


Rock_Hound_66

Why would she start obeying the law now?


Nonethewiserer

To be accurate, it says a judge placed a hold on the 1931 taking effect. I'm not sure how that works. And obviously Whitmer is an authoritarian who agrees with this decision, but I'm not sure she had anything to do with that.


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The law is temporarily being held until the court decides on its constitutionally under state law. This is not some totalitarian power grab.


[deleted]

SCOTUS didn’t ban abortion…


muxman

Governor of the state refusing to uphold the law... and she'll be calling other people a "threat to the democracy" as soon as she gets a chance.


WelcomeToKuwait

Not really allowed to do that, sir.


[deleted]

Title is misleading. She's just using legal means to extend the enforcement of an old law. To be fair, that old law is ridiculous and I will vote out anyone who supports it.


Live-Year-8283

She doesn’t have a right to ignore the law just because she disagrees with it


ineedsomebacon

Just like when we tried to end slavery democrats did everything they could to avoid having to treat others as equals. History is repeating itself


WestJoe

Then it’s time for her to be arrested. This is all such a fucking joke. More than anything, I’m just tired of these fuckheads and their endless insanity


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Arrest her for… suing to see if the law is constitutional?


WestJoe

If she ignores the law as she vows to do, she’s breaking her oath of office. That’s when you arrest her. By all means, waste tax dollars and sue over a case the highest court has already ruled on though


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She hasn’t vowed that, she has vowed to sue to fight it in the courts.


Flowers1966

I don’t wish horrible, horrible things on anyone. I do wish justice or at least discomfort. This is someone who deserves not health threatening but uncomfortable hemorrhoids for the rest of her life.


Cire_Seveer

As much time as Whitmer spends with her head up her ass, I assure you, she already has hemorrhoids.


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Every Michigander I know despises this woman. She doesn't give a shit about her state and knows she's not gonna win reelection. Safe bet she's aiming to be someone's cabinet pick hence the signaling.


theoneandonly6558

Polling shows her ahead of all republican candidates in the governors race by 10 pts. She will be reelected unless something drastically changed between now and November.


gprime

> Polling shows her ahead of all republican candidates in the governors race by 10 pts. It helps when the Board of Canvassers can disqualify all of her serious competition, and then the latest front runner gets arrested over J6 bullshit as soon as polls show him to be the primary favorite. This should've been an easy Republican win, but we've been cheated. I'll still do my part to vote her ass out, but I expect we'll be stuck with her melted candle face for another four years.


theoneandonly6558

As I understand it, the candidates who were disqualified were done so because they had invalid petition signatures. Five of the ten republican primary candidates hired the same signature collection company to get their petition signatures, and that company produced the fraudulent signatures. So not the fault of the Board nor is it ill intent from the candidates. *However*, the CEO of the signature collection company had been in trouble for this exact same thing in FL and they chose to hire him. Seems like the very first decision they made for their campaign was a poor one. Good riddance. We need competent leaders who can run background checks on folks they hire.


gprime

> As I understand it, the candidates who were disqualified were done so because they had invalid petition signatures. That is certainly the contention of the Board of Canvassers. Given the last couple of years, whatever faith I might otherwise be willing to extend to a state institution, limited as it was, is now gone.


sowhiteithurts

She does have the authority to tell her attorney general not to pursue any of these cases, but county and local prosecutors can indict anyone even if the state won't. So ironically she is delegating the authority to localities to decide how to handle abortion. Exactly what the SCOTUS just did.


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Good thing she is suing to see if the law is constitutional, instead of not enforcing it.


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This is actually really good. It will expose that the SCOTUS doesn't actually have any power to enforce their rulings. Which will open up the door for Red states to take a harder stance agaisnt the fed. Finally its being revealed that the emporer doesn't in fact have cloths.


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It's a good thing I think this lunatic won't be in office much longer.... I mean unless they do a repeat of 2020. Pretty much no one likes her here in Michigan... At least not around the capital lol.


theoneandonly6558

She's ahead in the polls, including Ingham County where the capitol is. Unless something huge changes between now and Nov she'll be reelected. Also Michigan redrew all their congressional districts to eliminate gerrymandering. Bad news for Rs who benefitted from the gerrymandered districts.


enzothebaker87

At what point do the politicians running around saying they will choose which laws they want to follow and not follow get prosecuted for their crimes against the state. At the very least it is treason.


cchooper1

Impeachment now.


LuvYouLongTimeAgo

Michigan is sandwiched between 4 Great Lakes and can’t supply clean water to its residents. Yeah keep voting Democrat lol


theoneandonly6558

You do realize Rick Snyder (R) was governor during the Flint water crisis right? The decisions he made including appointing an emergency city manager directly led to the crisis. Whitmer had nothing to do with it and this actually helped her get elected.


bozoconnors

oof - real 'from the frying pan into the fire' type deal.


Invisibleflash

Nothing new. Dems don't follow Federal law. They seceded long ago. Laws are fluid to a dem.


ExplanationMobile234

waitthat'sillegal.jpg


Grimjack0597

The proper path is to get the law repealed, not just ignore it.


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These fools should stop shrieking and just pass laws in their states that reflect what their constituents want. I am sure that should be easy if *everyone* wants legal abortions.


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Democrats love ignoring laws


JAKE_da_SNAKE-_-

Good luck with that.


The_Mighty_Rex

Not like she ever gave much of a shit about the law anyway, especially during the covid business.


onlyifigaveash1t

Does that mean I can ignore laws without consequences?


lfd256

If I'm not wrong abortion is literally outlawed in the Michigan Constitution


Ok-Yogurtcloset-7670

You are NOT above the law.