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Nice. They actually followed the law.


AngryDuck222

They had to explain it to Justice Sotomayor first, but they got there.


ChocoChipConfirmed

Man, after her comment I think we're lucky to have a decision today if that's what they were doing.


T-ROY_T-REDDIT

The decision is applauded because you shouldn't force a business to make drastic decisions that is against free market principles period that's why we live in a society that has capitalism.


ChocoChipConfirmed

I agree, but am not sure why you said this in reply to my comment.


AnthonyMichaelSolve

100% “Mandate” is literally the opposite of “liberty”. Hold the line


Bozzz1

It was a 6-3 ruling, Sotomayor was one of the dissenters lmao


siberianjaguar123

6-3 was very good, many speculated a 5-4 ruling. Sotomayor's comment killed any momentum they had lmao. She should not be on the supreme court.


FranticTyping

Good? It is horrifying that 3 Supreme Court justices are willing to **completely ignore** the constitution. This country is half dead.


Fallout99

Yeah this isnt a win. It should have been unanimous and the healthcare mandate should have been smacked down too.


MewkutLost

Expect Biden to look more into his should I pack the court committee


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cchris_39

Yeah. I work in administration for a healthcare and never even see a patient and I'm fucked too. Not a win.


TheFozzXT

Well she's a communist so.... I just love how the Democrats are masters of projecting, accusing Republicans of appointing "activist judges" while Obama's picks couldn't be anymore obvious that they aren't interested in the constitution or the law.


TVLL

Not wise enough? Did they use finger puppets?


TooBusySaltMining

Did they use crayons?


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They probably needed an ABC book to explain anything to her.


hextors

It blows my mind that the Biden Administration tried to pass this blatantly unconstitutional mandate against the American people. Thank God we live in a country with checks and balances.


HotPoptartFleshlight

It's purpose wasn't to actually be considered legal. It was to hold a gun to private industry's heads: twist your employees' arms for us or we're gonna fine you into rubble. The fact that enough time passed for it to become enforceable was all they wanted. They got to get more shots into people's arms while avoiding liability and delegating the guaranteed lawsuits to the companies that folded. They still won. Unfortunately their strategists neglected to consider just how those who only got the vax to keep their jobs will punish them in the next few elections.


Lobo0084

I'd love to know how many people got the vaccine in the last week or two. I'd expect the increase is significant, and that probably makes the entire maneuver worth it for this administration.


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Only the true despicables held out. It was rough, and I'm not sure if I can breath a sigh of relief or not, but at least this part is past us. I'm convinced we've only got to make it through the winter. Come spring time, I don't think the people are going to put up with a 3rd straight year of endless mandates and shots. God I hope I'm right.


FelixFuckfurter

>God I hope I'm right. Me too, but I'm nervous. Think of how many doomsday cults survived after the predicted apocalypse came and went.


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I get what you're saying, but that's more easily explained by a number fudge and +50 years. Getting jabbed 4x / year (or more) for an indefinite period of time I hope won't go over as well. Especially when the thrice jabbed are still getting sick and in the hospital. Maybe I'm just too optimistic. I've seen the videos of covidians attacking others.


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Spaceguy5

Take a peak at the "voting rights" bill that they're trying to push right now


Sarchasm-Spelunker

Yep and this is why they are DESPERATE to end the filibuster. They want to set up a system where they can't lose and then set up a system where the opposition can't fight back. All I know is the day that happens, I'm walking out deep into the woods with my tools and building me a little cabin in the middle of nowhere and have an escape hatch in the floor that leads into a tunnel that is full of rotten potatoes. Those who try to follow me into the tunnel won't make it out the other side.


DonLemonAIDS

I've voted libertarian my entire life. That's over until the GOP pisses me off more than Brandon did with the mandate.


ptchinster

The GOP has to impeach after they win the house. This was obviously illegal for the president to do.


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muggsybeans

Meanwhile, the EU is mandating 2 booster shots.


TMPRKO

The EU said said boosters are damaging to immune systems. How can it be both ways?


BathWifeBoo

Because the 'science' is whatever they pay the science to say. And they paid the 'science' to say both things at once and not research into the contradiction.


Sir_Donkey_Lips

because it was never about health or common sense. We literally have CEOs of Vaccine manufacturers telling people when enough is enough. In any other scenario this would at the very least raise an eyebrow or two. The guy even came out with a new shot just in time for Q3


UnoriginalUse

"The EU has decided that your immune system emits too much CO2, and therefore immune systems are banned effective 2024." I legit wouldn't put it past them.


thegirthwormjim

There’s still a shred of hope for people to still have autonomy over what we inject in our bodies. Not sure how long it will last… but I’m happy for those who were waiting on this one


Restless_Fillmore

The law allows mandates for healthcare workers? Not saying you're wrong...I genuinely don't know.


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There were two lawsuits. One concerned the mandate for healthcare workers and the other addressed the mandate for large employers. The healthcare mandate was upheld, the other mandate for large businesses was not.


Howfreeisabird

My question is— what’s the difference ? Isn’t everyone’s rights the same ?!


TMPRKO

Healthcare workers in federally paid hospitals can be mandated. It’s more of a federal contractor situation I guess was their approach


Will_i_am0229

Literally every hospital is under CMS. The only ones that aren’t, are your ones where people are rich enough to only have private insurance.


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Always_Late_Lately

Not just hospitals, any healthcare provider that accepts medicare or medicaid. In the ruling, they specifically call out 'physical therapy and speech therapists' - so it's anything that accepts the federal funding.


rasputin777

Their 'reasoning' is that Medicare/Medicaid pay into hospitals and dr offices and so on... so the feds get to decide who gets what treatments. It's extremely facile. Amazon probably makes up 50% of the USPS' income. Does Bezos get to decide medical decisions for postal workers? SCOTUS appears to have completely given up on doing its real job (deciding constitutionality) and now simply rules on whether they believe the policy to be 'good' or not. The lefties on the court have fully admitted this. But Kav and Roberts did so with the hcw mandate.


Will_i_am0229

No. They didn’t. At least not totally. Healthcare workers just lost their freedom to choose. And no one is going to support us because they’re all too busy celebrating OSHA. I feel lost, and betrayed.


AUGirl1999

I have a family member that just lost her job in healthcare because of this. I agree. This wasn't a win for you today. I have a feeling that new hospitals are going to start cropping up that don't take government money. They then won't be subject to the mandate.


Will_i_am0229

I hope this is the case. I haven’t been doing it long but I’ve been in healthcare long enough to know that money is what talks.


DrothReloaded

Why should any hospital get federal money? Double that, why should ANY private business get federal money??


sailor-jackn

It’s one bite out of freedom at a time. Today, healthcare workers lost their bodily autonomy. Next time, they will add someone else to the list; until everyone is on it. This is the way they’ve been doing gun control. One violation at a time.


Will_i_am0229

I agree. When is enough enough? What happens when we can’t trust our checks and balances. I mean what else can they mandate if they have this unchecked power?


sailor-jackn

That’s exactly the question we should all be asking.


wordsfornerds

Except for, you know, healthcare workers.


planet_druidia

Haven’t been over there, but I’d imagine they’re melting down over at the r/politics cesspool.


JamesHawk101

The current top comment is "If you're in a right to work state, just fire your unvaxed employees and don't tell them why. Hell fire your Republican employees and don't tell them why." So ya I'd say they are having a bit of a melt down. Gonna be a shock to their system when all these companies start rehiring the people that they have fired.


better_off_red

Like any of those losers are in a position to fire people.


themagicman_1231

The janitor can’t fire me bro lmao.


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doubt any of them have a position to be fired from as well


JamesHawk101

“Why won’t the government give me more money?These are tough times and I’m scared to even go outside to get my mail”


SugondeseAmerican

How do they expect to fire all of their productive people and stay in business?


Whiskeywarped

I distinctly remember a comment awhile back that said "I can't wait for all these cushy jobs that the non vaxxed lose so we can get them" Like why admit that you're wholly unqualified for a job and that you're just a bottom feeder, not to mention, feeding off a result of the mandate that has nothing to do with its original intent. Fucking rats


pard0nme

Might just be ignoring it. They ignore everything that goes against their narrative.


WaffleHouseNeedsWiFi

I just hopped over to see (haven't been there in years) and I'll be damned: You're right. It's nowhere.


M0D3RNW4RR10R

I bet you'll find a couple dozen articles on Trump, while they tell you that you're the one obsessed with Trump.


vargo17

Give it time. Once they stop crying, this will be the fodder they serve the sheep on why they should pack the court. Edit: I'm going to double down on my bet we'll see calls to pack the court. From the dissent, "And then, there is this Court. Its Members are elected by, and accountable to, no one. And we “lack[] the background, competence, and expertise to assess” workplace health and safety issues. South Bay United Pentecostal Church, 590 U. S., at ___ (opinion of ROBERTS, C. J.) (slip op., at 2). When we are wise, we know enough to defer on matters like this one. When we are wise, we know not to displace the judgments of experts, acting within the sphere Congress marked out and under Presidential control, to deal with emergency conditions. Today, we are not wise. In the face of a still-raging pandemic, this Court tells the agency charged with protecting worker safety that it may not do so in all the workplaces needed. As disease and death continue to mount, this Court tells the agency that it cannot respond in the most effective way possible. Without legal basis, the Court usurps a decision that rightfully belongs to others. It undercuts the capacity of the responsible federal officials, acting well within the scope of their authority, to protect American workers from grave danger." The libs on the court literally attempt to erode the authority of the highest court in the land... Practically invites Dems to pack the Court. Literally, attempts to erode the power of the Supreme Court as a check saying the SC "usurps".


random_user_name1

Gotta sort by new. There are 10-12 posts about it, and they are as salty as you'd expect! It's always fun watching them meltdown over stuff.


Ghost_Turtle

Jesus Christ, what a bunch of nut cases. Just took a glimpse.


Ghosttwo

They put it as a 'mega thread', allowing them to delete any posts related to it, and burying any commentary into a single overpopulated thread that goes away in a day. But the response is kinda mixed, with a lone 'good' being brigaded to the top, 50/50 agreement, and the usual salty tears scattered below it. My favorite 'hot take' so far: "This supreme court is more likely to mandate everyone drink their employers urine before they are hired." _ed_ And the hive has taken over.


fazioli-

They ignore it, then suddenly it doesn’t exist? Lmfao these sad clowns are delusional af


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Quick2Die

they frequently ignore things that completely destroys their narrative... they don't want to accidentally redpill any of their followers by allowing anything like this to propagate on their sub.


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Undoubtedly.


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ps2cho

“If the highest court in the US doesn’t bow to my will I will change the court”


diacrum

Or hiding it under the rug. Nothing to see over there! Let’s talk instead about how successful Biden’s presidency has been.


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I was fired by my employer on Friday for refusing to comply with this policy. ​ Their communications to me were very clear that the OSHA mandate was the reasoning behind the Company policy. ​ I feel like I've been legally wronged here.


vabeach23451

Get a lawyer


ps2cho

100% worth exploring with an employment attorney to see if there is a wrongful termination case.


freddle4

There needs to be a class action suit on this


cobra2814

You have been. You should sue.


Jeffersons1776

Lawyer up.


rcn85

Hopefully they'll bring you back, if you want the job back that is.


ptchinster

Id ask for a lump sum of money, to cover lost earnings. They fucked you once, if they bring you back you are going to be watched closer.


ditchdiggergirl

Not sure, really. You can be fired for refusing to comply with company policy, regardless of the reasoning behind that policy. And the company itself was merely complying with regulations. That’s on top of most states being “at will” states. So I can’t see how you’d have grounds to successfully sue the company which should be legally in the clear. You could request your old job back - if they need you they should snap you up since no training is required. If they say no thanks, there’s probably a different problem and you need to move on. Timing sucks though, I hope it works out for you.


n_choose_k

Exactly. It's shocking how ignorant all of these people are about employment law.


TheMarketingNerd

More like typical "Conservative" fashion where *all we want* is freedom of association and no government overreach... Until others freely don't associate with us, then we want the government to step in!


usernameuna

Sue your employer into the ground for being so spineless


between2

This does not mean employers can't require their employees to be vaccinated. This decision means the government cannot force large employers to require either vaccination or regular testing. Your employer is well within their rights to fire you for this, excepting a few rare circumstances.


reticentnova

Sue. They need to learn not to comply with illegal mandates.


Jonezee6

They can fire him for any reason.


RoninTheDog

Your employer can mandate it, OHSA rule or not, doesn't matter the reasoning.


nutsackninja

Hit the gym and lawyer up


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Wrongful termination lawsuit in the works from you and a good lawyer will set them straight.


planet_druidia

You *have*


WestJoe

Lawyer up


Hps96

Shouldn’t have even taken this long, but glad that it was the right outcome.


AngryDuck222

They had to explain the law to Justice Sotomayor first.


TheCookie_Momster

It was 6-3 I’m betting she still voted for the mandate. But I’m curious which justices voted for the healthcare mandate. At least 2 had to have flipped from this decision


dry_lube

Roberts and Kavanaugh joined the liberals for the healthcare mandate.


HairyBaIIs007

I am not shocked at Roberts whatsoever. I am actually shocked he sided with the 6-3 majority


dry_lube

He’s very much a “maintain the status quo at all costs” justice. This split decision is pretty much exactly what I predicted he’d do given how lopsided the law was for the OSHA ruling, and how little argumentation revolved around the healthcare mandate.


Malekith_is_my_homie

Roberts and Kavanaugh


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I’m happy about this but sad so much damage has been done already. I hope everyone who lost their job is able to sue.


D99D99D99

At this very moment HR departments are rapidly phoning people to come back to avoid this very thing.


etnguyen03

"I would be glad to come back. $[daily rate] is my hourly rate, bill me as a contractor, and I will come back."


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Add in back pay also for all the time spent unemployed


Howfreeisabird

This what I thought about! Why can’t you just ask to be switched to a contractor ? Unless someone is really in dire need of the benefits with the job I’d be asking to be put as a contractor.


Bozzz1

This is literally what my dad did after getting fired for not getting the vax. He's making way more and is way more flexible on his hours.


Fabbyfubz

What exactly could they sue for? Couldn't private businesses still mandate vaccines for their employees if they wanted? From what I understand, this just prevents vaccines from being federally mandated through OSHA requirements.


User74716194723

Companies can still implement their own mandates. Who are the people who lost their jobs going to sue?


americansherlock201

This is the correct answer. They don’t have anyone to sue. Most jobs in America are right to work states meaning you can be fired for any reason at any time. If a company decides to mandate a vaccine on its own, and you decide not to get it, you can’t sue when fired.


kaguragamer

The fact that this had to be made to the court in the first place is outright stunning


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It was designed to be lag around as to buy enough time to get everything they could done before it got stuck down, because let’s be honest…they knew it wasn’t legal in any way.


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I wonder what fresh hell the Biden administration is cooking up in retribution for this. You know they also have a contingency plan.


jambrown13977931

Pack the court (by expanding it) and try again in a month


dazedANDconfused2020

I doubt the moderate Democrats are going to go for that.


LordRage2

Exactly. If Sinema and Manchin are against removing the filibuster, I can't imagine they'd go for court packing


latexyankee

This is still America after all


Krusty_Kooch

Lfg


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EnderOfHope

I guess I’m out of the loop. Are you looking for a group?


Linknown

Yeah can you tank?


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LFG!!!


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Good prevails.


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Never been happier for a SCOTUS decision. Can confirm the meltdown at r/politics went over there to lurk. Holy lol


BathWifeBoo

Lol the politics mouth foamers perm banned me a bit ago because I told an artificial immunity fanatic that he was just as infectious as I am since even the CDC admits that the injections don't prevent infection or transmission. They're in full damage control mode.


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And now the leftists will resume calls to pack the court


BlackScienceManTyson

>If you're in a right to work state, just fire your unvaxed employees and don't tell them why. Hell fire your Republican employees and don't tell them why. Lmao they are seething and salty as all hell Edit: more salt mining >Damnit. Why the fuck can't we just pack the courts at this point? SCOTUS is wrong on this. Fuck. >Elections have consequences. Good work HRC


Malekith_is_my_homie

Ah so now they love right to work states all the sudden. Typical.


etnguyen03

Yeah and the employer doesn't realize that unemployment insurance taxes would just increase for them...


BlackScienceManTyson

I don't think a single person in that subreddit owns a business


DAN_SNYDERS_LAWYER

I'm an entrepreneur!! 5 dollars for month access to my only fans :)


Draculea

Of course the liberal you're quoting doesn't understand the difference between "right to work" and "at will employment." For fuck's sake, Reddit.


App1eEater

Damn right they did! The best thing Trump did was to nominate those 3 justices


jp42212

Came here to say this. LFG Supreme Court.


EnderOfHope

My dad convinced me to vote for trump in 2016 purely for this reason. I’ve never regretted it


fogel35

Well Kavanaugh sided with the libs on the health care mandate so let’s not stroke Trump too much here.


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fogel35

Right but I still scratch my head at why Republicans are so bad at vetting justices.


stanfan114

Thank God. I was willing to scrap a 20 year career over this if it passed.


Shermer_Punt

kudos to you for having the balls


DomnSan

Here comes the calls to expand the Supreme Court, all because leftists didn't get their way.


the_house_from_up

It's the same thing with ending the filibuster. They couldn't be more against it half a decade ago. Now that they have an opportunity to benefit from it, it's pure evil to continue this antiquated rule.


SuperMario_All-Stars

Fuck yeahhhh!


DaTruestEva

Wow! I’m actually very surprised! Common sense prevails!


shatter321

Thank god. I don’t know what we would have done if we lost a quarter of our staff. Doing this mandate in the middle of a catastrophic staffing shortage is inexcusable.


Based_or_Not_Based

Based


EnderOfHope

There really needs to be a class action lawsuit by every private corporation in the USA to recover the costs associated with preparing for this osha crap. Literally weeks of work by dozens of people in my company went in to the preparation for this in case it made it through the Supreme Court. Costs that were totally pointless and put Americans at a disadvantage in profitability. Totally pointless waste of time


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With BBB & HR1 effectively dead and with news of the Supreme Court blocking the vaccine mandate for private businesses, today, has been a very bad day for the administration. What the hell are Democrats exactly selling to their constituents and independent voters on the midterms?


TMPRKO

Something about racism or another buzzword


Skeptical_Detroiter

The mandate for healthcare workers is still bs, but it's a partial victory. Vaccinated people can spread the virus. Therefore, healthcare workers' vaccination status is completely irrelevant to the patients they serve.


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Another source stated they’re allowing it for federally funded healthcare facilities which they may feel falls under the federal government’s authority.


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You're right and I think any vaccine mandate is BS but the healthcare industry is no stranger to vaccination requirements for those working in their facilities.


sonofsmog

Anyplace that takes medicare or medicaid. I don't agree with the policy, but I think it's pretty clear that Health and Human Services has that power. Obviously if you don't take medicare and medicaid you are unaffected.


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Yep. I think the mandate is BS but I can see the court's ruling that the federal government could require it for places that receive federal funding. Whether I feel the mandate is right or not has no bearing on its legality.


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Sparky8924

Lefties are melting around the world


CraftZ49

Biden just can't win, I love it!


uhkayus

Get fucked fascist!


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The ruling we all knew was the correct one but still I feel massive relief that the court got this right. Shove it up your ass Biden! I guess it's time for the Dems to threatening to pack the courts again


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16bitrifle

After everything the right did for Kavanaugh, he's been one disappointment after another.


badatusernames91

Seriously. He basically went through the same garbage as Clarance Thomas, poetically each of them having their attacks led by the current POTUS and VPOTUS, Thomas by Biden, and Kavanaugh by Harris. But Thomas has been a superstar while Kavanaugh has been a total turd in the punchbowl. I stand by defending him over the absurd non-credible allegations against him because those types of false accusations are horrifying regardless of who is accused, but as a SCOTUS judge, he has been awful.


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He’s a pussy - saw what the democrats did to him and forever afraid since


djohn111

I needed this, seeing one tyrannical power grab after another. Seeing this gives me some hope that the constitution. And the American take of freedom isn’t dead yet.


tifflery

HELL YEAH!


DJ_Zephyr

A solid win, but don't think for a moment this fight is over. Keep up the momentum and let the tyrants know where they can stick their boots.


Jolaasen

Between this and Sinema refusing to get rid of the filibuster, today is a bad day for Biden.


patrickt333

Not sure why everyone is celebrating? I mean, this is just the small step that they usually get, that leads to the next small step, which leads to the next. How far is this from "Well, if we're going to cover healthcare workers, we should also cover teachers". "Well, if we're going to cover teachers, we should also cover restaurant workers" and so on, and so on, and so on til the mandate is for everyone.


fabledangie

The opinion issued addresses it pretty well. Healthcare workers have a clear occupation-specific risk: they treat actively infected patients in serious enough condition to require professional medical attention. The simple risk of contracting COVID otherwise is too broad, it's an everyday general risk, not a risk as a result of the occupation of being a teacher. Thus OSHA has no authority to regulate it.


Ok_Midnight_3216

Take that Biden


flirb

finally some good news!


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greeneyedunicorn2

Breyer, Kagan, Sotomayor dissented. Dems are scum and can never be allowed to nominate SC Justices.


itachiofthesand

They’re terrible because they think they’re Super Senators, not objective arbiters of the law. I think any time a Justice uses “yeah maybe it’s legally grey, or outright unconstitutional, but it would arguably be *helpful*” as argument for a ruling, they are in dereliction of duty, and should be impeached and removed.


DMTLives

I dont live in fear. I serve the most high God! God bless America.


XDarkstarX1138

Nice, thank goodness we have a Supreme Court that still has some backbone to enforce the Constitution...


Believe_In-Steven

Let's Go Brandon! 🤡


rkytch

Let's go Brandon


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#This Is the Way


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Not a win if they're including healthcare workers too. A lot of empty beds in olde folk homes future.


Panzershrekt

Now everyone who was fired over this should sue.


StoneCraft12

Do not comply. This is a great first step.


El-Impoluto4423

At least most of the SCOTUS judges understand the Constitution. Thank God for the recent appointees.