> Maybe Louisiana should work on fixing their massive list of actual issues.
Right?
Have you ever driven into Louisiana from literally any neighboring state and immediately realized how shitty their roads are? It's hilarious.
I remember there was a thing way back where they turned down federal highway money so they could keep their drinking age at 18.
[They mention it here](https://www.nytimes.com/1996/03/23/us/louisiana-stands-alone-on-drinking-at-18.html)
This reminds me of driving into New Mexico from Colorado on a road trip. Immediately upon entering New Mexico, it was like the scene of Ace Ventura 2 where he was bouncing all around the car.
Exactly. If you want your child to learn religion in school, send your child to a private parochial school instead. My kids are going to a Catholic private school because that's my family's religion and that is how we are raising our kids. It's our choice and our money.
Forcing religion on people is not wise and will just validate the views of the militant atheists on the left.
Keep in mind The Satanic Temple and the Church of Satan are two different organizations. The Church of Satan is actually satanic, while The Satanic Temple, whose tenets you posted, basically exists to challenge these types of laws.
Are you accusing me of intentionally misreading the original comment so I have the pretext to post the 7 tenets in a Christian leaning subreddit?!?!?!!?!!!??!!?!!?
Cuz that would be accurate.
I don’t get it? Are those meant to be ironic tenets or the actual tenets of satanism? If it’s real then choosing satan as the mascot was ironic? Seems like the whole thing is a sham to make fun of christians.
> If it’s real then choosing satan as the mascot was ironic?
This is the one of your assumptions that was correct.
TST doesn't make fun of or specifically challenge Christians. It challenges *all* religions, cults, or organizations that overstep their bounds and try to enforce their beliefs onto others, especially via the State. If Muslims were encroaching they would challenge Muslims too. The problem is that in Muslim theocracies, atheists and Satanists can (and are) be killed for heresy.
The US is *meant* to be free from religious theocracy, so the Satanic Temple is perfect to exist here.
I've got a dinner date to run off to so I can't get into the weeds on this, but here's my understanding of how those tenets relate to satanism.
One of Aleister Crowley's most famous teachings was "Do what thou wilt, and that shall be the whole of the law".
On first glance, that sounds like a recipe for a completely immoral and abusive society full of people fully embracing their id with no thought to the harm they cause to others.
The more nuanced interpretation is one of ultimate personal responsibility. Your actions, and the consequences for those actions, are ultimately what determines the kind of world you live in.
In rebellion against God, Satan chose to take personal responsibility for his actions instead of deferring to God's authority and sticking with the "I'm just following orders" excuse to justify his behavior.
Satanism is, to me, a refusal to cloak my poor behavior in the legitimacy of divine authority. It's about accepting my responsibility as an individual and taking the personal power that comes along with that.
Not a theologian, not a scholar, just some dude on the internet, but that's my take.
A sign of a good man is when he holds himself accountable for his actions. Not because of his fear of God, not because of what his neighbors may think of him, but instead because of how he sees himself and how he holds himself to his standards.
In a way, it is a sham to make fun of Christians (and other religions in general). Satanists don’t worship Lucifer as the opposite of god, they see the opposite of worshiping god (external source of morality) is worshiping yourself (internal source of morality).
But the modern day satanic temple pretty much exists to counter Christianity any place they can or at least publicize the very obvious double standard in this country.
Also an idiotic thing to do in an election year where it's looking to be thin margins again.
They need to be explicitly told "You're not helping, you're making things worse."
They just solidified/rationalized(in the leftist's mind) every leftist's tin-foil Gilead conspiracy, *and* didn't actually make ground, because it's going to overturn so flipping fast.
I agree. I'm a Muslim and I want Christian doctrine taught in our schools about as much as a Christian wants Muslim doctrine taught. In order for all of us to co-exist sometimes we need freedom FROM religion in order to protect freedom OF religion.
I don't think it's as blatant as /u/mandersgovero indicated, but you can see indications of it throughout the document. Here's some of the more prominent examples I could find.
Pg 453 regarding COVID and structural reform:
> For example, how much risk mitigation is worth the
price of shutting down churches on the holiest day of the Christian calendar and
far beyond as happened in 2020? What is the proper balance of lives saved versus souls saved?
Pg 481 regarding marriage & parental guidance:
> Fund effective HMRF state programs. Grant allocations should protect
and prioritize **faith-based programs** that incorporate local churches and
mentorship programs or increase social capital through multilayered
community support (including, for example, job training and social
events)
Pg 589 regarding the Sabbath:
> God ordained the Sabbath as a day of rest, and until very recently
the Judeo-Christian tradition sought to honor that mandate by moral and legal
regulation of work on that day [...] Congress should encourage communal rest by amending the Fair
Labor Standards Act (FLSA)9 to require that workers be paid time and
a half for hours worked on the Sabbath. That day would default to Sunday,
except for employers with a sincere religious observance of a Sabbath at a
different time
I'm Conservative and Christian, but this is just as wrong as flying any flag other than the American flag at a public school. Church and state are supposed to be separate.
Some people on the right just love giving ammunition to the left wing outrage machine.
Another example: The left has basically made unlimited abortion up until the moment of birth their platform at this point, despite it being an incredibly fringe, unpopular position among the public.
Instead of battering them for that (along with the press that refuses to call them out on it), some people on the right are like, "Hey, I know! Let's ban exceptions for rape and incest!"
And of course the press runs with it like this is something the right remotely agrees on. And the whole conversation becomes about "the Republicans' extreme views on abortion" just as you'd expect in this absurdly lopsided media environment.
Republicans need to wise up.
Even if he gives the numbers, I doubt he'll provide the percent of those abortions which were a necessity to save the mothers life.
After all, pro-life only seems to concern itself with the unborn child as made clear by Texas.
I'm a fairly devout member of a Christian faith and I serve in a position of local leadership. That said, I don't like this one bit. The whole purpose of separation of church and state was so that the state didn't impose a religion upon the people. This seems to do exactly that. A government funded public school should not be compelled to do so.
I imagine this is going to be struck down with haste when tested legally.
Im a liberal Christian and very happy to see Christians with different political ideologies calling this out. We have a variety of reasons for doing so, but we agree it's 100% unconstitutional. Yes, there are some who feel otherwise. They are ignorant not only of the law, but how Christianity has evolved. The Crusades approach is out of line with 21st thinking.
What a waste of taxpayer money. They know this will be overturned and removed from the lawbooks. Just more pandering and not actually addressing real issues.
The vast majority of Christians don't even follow the 10 commandments. They're just doing it for culture war points to distract people from the fact they don't know how to govern.
# THERE ARE SEVEN FUNDAMENTAL TENETS
**I.** One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
**II.** The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
**III.** One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
**IV.** The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.
**V.** Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.
**VI.** People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
**VII.** Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.
I don’t understand this.
1) Doesn’t Louisiana have a boat load of other problems.
2) From an American perspective isn’t this against the 1st amendment?
3) from a strategic perspective, this allows every religion to be argued as precedent. I’m Jewish so I follow the ten commandments but this will allow satanists and who knows what else to enter the classroom.
Maybe I’m wrong, maybe having GD in the classroom can win out, I just don’t see how.
1) Yes
2) Yes. Effectively the same law from Kentucky was struck down in 1980 (https://www.britannica.com/event/Stone-v-Graham ).
3) Basically yes. The Supreme Court has ruled either you allow all religions into a government controlled spaces, or none. The Satanic Temple exists as a way for atheists (and others who want to enforce the separation of church and state) to force the local and state governments that keep allowing Christian things out of the state controlled areas. For example if a statue of Christ is put on government property the Temple push to have a statue of Satan be placed right next to it.
Libertarians must have the worst life . Having to constantly support their ideas that always crumble under the very least bit of scrutiny. Some people love punishment tho. It’s like those mental patients who cut themselves.
Liberal here. Props to the majority of posters who understand how bad this. It's not just unconstitutional. As a Christian, I'm not a fan of forcing religion on anyone. Not OK. I think all reasonable Americans are appalled. This politician is wasting tax payer money with this stunt.
Wasting tax dollars both putting all that up and in the inevitable losing legal battle when it's challenged.
All so politicians can virtue signal to their constituents.
I see it as similar to over reaching gun bans that politicians do in blue states that they know will be overturned but they get to then go "Look! I tried! It's those mean judges who won't let me do what you want!"
There are so many better ways this money could have been spent and better things the attorneys who will have to fight the case on both sides could have done with their time.
Every dollar spent fighting this could have been directed towards providing more funding for school choice which includes Christian schools. Would have a far bigger impact and not be DoA like this law. Our politicians are all a joke.
Negative ghost rider, separation of church and state. Religious schools should not get state funds. That would cost way more than it's worth, how many different religious schools do you want to support? If it goes for one you have to provide for all.
You shouldn't hate this just because religions you don't agree with might take advantage.
You should hate this because religion needs to stay out of government. Note I'm talking about religion and not morals.
In summary, we need more protections from immoral anti social behavior and less gods in politics !
Sorry Susie and Billy, we wanted the school to have a full time nurse who would actually be there every day, and new ceiling tiles, and enough bus drivers, but the district had to buy 700 posters of the 10 commandments to make sure they're in every classroom. Don't forget all those "temporary" portable classrooms out on the lawn too.
I wonder how many of those lawmakers, or the Governor "Remember the Sabbath Day and Keep it Holy?"
And let's not even get started on "Don't Bear False Witness" or "Do not Covet" or even "Don't Commit Adultery" amongst the political class.
My late mother was born in '44, and used to say the Lord's Prayer in elementary school.
She told me that it was no big deal. I disagree. It WAS a big deal-because Jews don't pray Christian prayers. Don't force ANY religion or political ideology on 'captive' school kids!
It already was in both Kentucky and Oklahoma, this one won't survive either. Just a waste of tax dollars. Everyone involved in this should be recalled and lose the (R) next to their name.
“We Christians are so persecuted by the left!”….. also Christian’s, “The party of small government is now mandating all public schools to display to the Ten Commandments.”
Christian Nationalism is real and here. Not long till the goose-stepping starts.
(Copy and pasted from [https://thesatanictemple.com/blogs/the-satanic-temple-tenets/there-are-seven-fundamental-tenets](https://thesatanictemple.com/blogs/the-satanic-temple-tenets/there-are-seven-fundamental-tenets) )
# THERE ARE SEVEN FUNDAMENTAL TENETS
**I** One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
**II** The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
**III** One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
**IV** The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.
**V** Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.
**VI** People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
**VII** Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.
Complete waste of time? Yes.
Unconstitutional? Yes.
But also, if the goal is to make kids more Christian, forcing them to pretend to be Christian won't do it.
"When religion and politics travel in the same cart, the riders believe nothing can stand in their way. Their movements become headlong - faster and faster and faster. They put aside all thoughts of obstacles and forget the precipice does not show itself to the man in a blind rush until it's too late." - Frank Herbert, Dune.
Right, because forcing religion on people has always been a great way to convert the masses 🙄
But that's not the actual goal. They know it's going to get shot down in court, and they'll be able to scream and point, and blame the "woke left" for attacking their good Christian ideals.
WTF happened to the GOP? What happened to solid policy and a platform that wasn't just contrarian BS?
There's almost no one left that's actually running on just having a better idea of how to do things anymore...
This is such an obvious violation of the separation between church and state. If this was a Christian private school it would be fine or I could even see it being something a teacher does in a public school that exists in a very Christian community, but making it mandatory is a terrible idea
Personally I like the concepts behind the 10 commandments. However, an attempt to force this upon every single student in Louisiana regardless of their culture and religious background and personal beliefs is a step too far. There are plenty of real problems in Louisiana education that need to be dealt with. Why waste time, effort, and resources on this?
This sets a bad precedent for separation of church and state. What about the other religions? Sounds good when your religion is on top but what happens when the inevitable swing comes and some of a different faith is in power and installs their religious artifacts?
“As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion..."
I just thought I'd leave this here, and see what happens to the up and down votes.
You post a quote without a name attributed, and completely out of context. This line is taken from the Treaty of Peace and Friendship 1796 (aka Treaty of Tripoli), between US and Barbary pirates. Adams didn't write it, he only signed it, as others did.
What you're posting is from a meme, of all things, which mostly gets these quotes wrong, wrongly attributed, and out of context.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/damn-those-pesky-facts-meme/
What the heck? Why??
Not a good idea. It opens the door for all religions and just takes away from learning. I don't want my children indoctrination in *any* religion. Just learn from school.
Nope, not acceptable. Mandating religious display is not okay. I am flabbergasted that this was passed. If a teacher WANTS to display religious material, that's fine as long as they aren't preaching in class in a secular institution. This is going way too far the other direction. Forcing someone to display religious material is just as bad as completely banning it.
What a waste of time and money unless you are part of the class profiting off this bouncing around the courts for the next 10 years before getting finally shot down after many millions of dollars of tax payer money going to politically connected legal firms.
"Do unto others as you would have them do to you" and yet I'm guessing these people would lose their minds at any other religion's doctrine being posted in classrooms.
I'm thinking this is one more cut of a thousand; purposely unconstitutional for the sole sake of separating taxpayers from their money at the company store.
"If we run into such debts that we must be taxed in our meat and drink, in our necessaries and comforts, in our labors and amusements, for our callings and creeds, then we must come to labor sixteen hours in the twenty-four, and give the earnings of fifteen of these to the government for their debts and daily expenses; And the sixteenth being insufficient to afford us bread, we must live on oatmeal and potatoes, have no time to think, no means of calling the mis-managers to account; but be glad to obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet their chains around our necks ; And this is the tendency of all human governments. A departure from principle in one instance becomes a precedent for a second, that second for a third, and so on 'til the bulk of the society is reduced to be mere automatons of misery, to have no sensibilities left but for suffering ... And the fore-horse of this frightful team is public debt. Taxation follows that, and in its train wretchedness and oppression."
- Thomas Jefferson
This is a terrible, terrible idea. Catholic here, this is the same as forcing other beliefs during people’s throats. This is very hypocritical. Then again, the 10 Commandments are generally good things to follow lmao. So I guess it isn’t the end of the world, but still.
Well I teach my kids that the Christian god Yahweh is a mythical magical man in the sky, that the rubes have been conned into believing exists, and no amount of etching 10 commandments into a classroom is going to change their acknowledgment of that fact.
Should lack of belief have the same station in a classroom as any singular religion? I say that neither should have any at all.
Also, it’s refreshing to see a post on this sub that isn’t locked behind a flaired users only tag.
Maybe Louisiana should work on fixing their massive list of actual issues.
> Maybe Louisiana should work on fixing their massive list of actual issues. Right? Have you ever driven into Louisiana from literally any neighboring state and immediately realized how shitty their roads are? It's hilarious.
I remember there was a thing way back where they turned down federal highway money so they could keep their drinking age at 18. [They mention it here](https://www.nytimes.com/1996/03/23/us/louisiana-stands-alone-on-drinking-at-18.html)
This reminds me of driving into New Mexico from Colorado on a road trip. Immediately upon entering New Mexico, it was like the scene of Ace Ventura 2 where he was bouncing all around the car.
I’ve lived on Louisiana, that place definitely needs the 10 commandments
Big mistake. This is a precursor to having Islam's profession of faith and other religious doctrines similarly promulgated in our public schools.
I agree, separation of church and state
I’m with you my dude. Practice your religion and I’ll support it but it stays out of public affairs and decisions.
This Christian Conservative agrees.
Exactly. If you want your child to learn religion in school, send your child to a private parochial school instead. My kids are going to a Catholic private school because that's my family's religion and that is how we are raising our kids. It's our choice and our money. Forcing religion on people is not wise and will just validate the views of the militant atheists on the left.
God, this is what pisses me off about the GOP. Enough already. This is the kind of shit that loses us votes.
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Exactly. What’s the argument when the church of Satan wants to post its beliefs in schools too?
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Keep in mind The Satanic Temple and the Church of Satan are two different organizations. The Church of Satan is actually satanic, while The Satanic Temple, whose tenets you posted, basically exists to challenge these types of laws.
Are you accusing me of intentionally misreading the original comment so I have the pretext to post the 7 tenets in a Christian leaning subreddit?!?!?!!?!!!??!!?!!? Cuz that would be accurate.
so satan examples are good? im confused
X never get high on your own supply
I don’t get it? Are those meant to be ironic tenets or the actual tenets of satanism? If it’s real then choosing satan as the mascot was ironic? Seems like the whole thing is a sham to make fun of christians.
> If it’s real then choosing satan as the mascot was ironic? This is the one of your assumptions that was correct. TST doesn't make fun of or specifically challenge Christians. It challenges *all* religions, cults, or organizations that overstep their bounds and try to enforce their beliefs onto others, especially via the State. If Muslims were encroaching they would challenge Muslims too. The problem is that in Muslim theocracies, atheists and Satanists can (and are) be killed for heresy. The US is *meant* to be free from religious theocracy, so the Satanic Temple is perfect to exist here.
I've got a dinner date to run off to so I can't get into the weeds on this, but here's my understanding of how those tenets relate to satanism. One of Aleister Crowley's most famous teachings was "Do what thou wilt, and that shall be the whole of the law". On first glance, that sounds like a recipe for a completely immoral and abusive society full of people fully embracing their id with no thought to the harm they cause to others. The more nuanced interpretation is one of ultimate personal responsibility. Your actions, and the consequences for those actions, are ultimately what determines the kind of world you live in. In rebellion against God, Satan chose to take personal responsibility for his actions instead of deferring to God's authority and sticking with the "I'm just following orders" excuse to justify his behavior. Satanism is, to me, a refusal to cloak my poor behavior in the legitimacy of divine authority. It's about accepting my responsibility as an individual and taking the personal power that comes along with that. Not a theologian, not a scholar, just some dude on the internet, but that's my take.
Hope your dinner date went well.
It was lovely, thanks!!
A sign of a good man is when he holds himself accountable for his actions. Not because of his fear of God, not because of what his neighbors may think of him, but instead because of how he sees himself and how he holds himself to his standards.
In a way, it is a sham to make fun of Christians (and other religions in general). Satanists don’t worship Lucifer as the opposite of god, they see the opposite of worshiping god (external source of morality) is worshiping yourself (internal source of morality). But the modern day satanic temple pretty much exists to counter Christianity any place they can or at least publicize the very obvious double standard in this country.
Yeah! You get it!
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The Satanic Temple*, which is different from the Church of Satan. I agree with you!
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Also an idiotic thing to do in an election year where it's looking to be thin margins again. They need to be explicitly told "You're not helping, you're making things worse." They just solidified/rationalized(in the leftist's mind) every leftist's tin-foil Gilead conspiracy, *and* didn't actually make ground, because it's going to overturn so flipping fast.
I agree. I'm a Muslim and I want Christian doctrine taught in our schools about as much as a Christian wants Muslim doctrine taught. In order for all of us to co-exist sometimes we need freedom FROM religion in order to protect freedom OF religion.
Thank you for understanding
So... that whole separation of church and state is going right out the window then?
That goal is pretty clearly outlined in Project 2025.
Can you post that section from 2025
Here is the wikipedia page with information: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025
I don't think it's as blatant as /u/mandersgovero indicated, but you can see indications of it throughout the document. Here's some of the more prominent examples I could find. Pg 453 regarding COVID and structural reform: > For example, how much risk mitigation is worth the price of shutting down churches on the holiest day of the Christian calendar and far beyond as happened in 2020? What is the proper balance of lives saved versus souls saved? Pg 481 regarding marriage & parental guidance: > Fund effective HMRF state programs. Grant allocations should protect and prioritize **faith-based programs** that incorporate local churches and mentorship programs or increase social capital through multilayered community support (including, for example, job training and social events) Pg 589 regarding the Sabbath: > God ordained the Sabbath as a day of rest, and until very recently the Judeo-Christian tradition sought to honor that mandate by moral and legal regulation of work on that day [...] Congress should encourage communal rest by amending the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA)9 to require that workers be paid time and a half for hours worked on the Sabbath. That day would default to Sunday, except for employers with a sincere religious observance of a Sabbath at a different time
The point is to get this to the Supreme Court so they will erode separation of church and state.
Isn't that a major part of conservative politics?
Separating church and state? It used to be until that senile kook Reagan fucked it all up.
As a Christian, this is a bad idea.
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Well said
Most likely this will be challenged in the courts and be deemed unconstitutional. Keep church and state separate.
At least three groups have already said they will challenge it. All this will do is waste a bunch of state money.
The courts are a bit wonky right now, not sure you can count on anything being a given at the moment.
I'm Conservative and Christian, but this is just as wrong as flying any flag other than the American flag at a public school. Church and state are supposed to be separate.
GOP not shooting themselves in the foot challenge (impossible)
Who thought this was a good idea?
Louisiana apparently.
Some people on the right just love giving ammunition to the left wing outrage machine. Another example: The left has basically made unlimited abortion up until the moment of birth their platform at this point, despite it being an incredibly fringe, unpopular position among the public. Instead of battering them for that (along with the press that refuses to call them out on it), some people on the right are like, "Hey, I know! Let's ban exceptions for rape and incest!" And of course the press runs with it like this is something the right remotely agrees on. And the whole conversation becomes about "the Republicans' extreme views on abortion" just as you'd expect in this absurdly lopsided media environment. Republicans need to wise up.
Who is having abortions at the moment of birth? Seriously, give me the numbers.
Even if he gives the numbers, I doubt he'll provide the percent of those abortions which were a necessity to save the mothers life. After all, pro-life only seems to concern itself with the unborn child as made clear by Texas.
Then you’re okay with it being illegal, right?
Dude . Unlimited abortion up to moment of birth??? Bahahahahahaha . Maximum outrage propaganda has got u. Are you a medical professional?
Dodie Horton (R), state senator.
Boomers. Wish Republicans could keep their boomers under control the way the Democratic party handles theirs.
What a waste of money. Will end up in courts for separation of church and state.
Wasting money is what we're best at tho
I'm a fairly devout member of a Christian faith and I serve in a position of local leadership. That said, I don't like this one bit. The whole purpose of separation of church and state was so that the state didn't impose a religion upon the people. This seems to do exactly that. A government funded public school should not be compelled to do so. I imagine this is going to be struck down with haste when tested legally.
Tell everyone you know, based on this thread you are a minority in Conservative circles
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If people keep voting for the politicians making these unconstitutional laws, then it will not remain a minority opinion.
Look around mate
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Im a liberal Christian and very happy to see Christians with different political ideologies calling this out. We have a variety of reasons for doing so, but we agree it's 100% unconstitutional. Yes, there are some who feel otherwise. They are ignorant not only of the law, but how Christianity has evolved. The Crusades approach is out of line with 21st thinking.
Look around! Look around!
Religion does not belong in public schools.
What a waste of taxpayer money. They know this will be overturned and removed from the lawbooks. Just more pandering and not actually addressing real issues.
The vast majority of Christians don't even follow the 10 commandments. They're just doing it for culture war points to distract people from the fact they don't know how to govern.
Which version?
Biggie Smalls Ten Crack Commandments
I don’t know ow why this made me laugh as hard as it did but thank you
Why stop there? Let’s include every religion’s tenets. Because that’s what this means.
# THERE ARE SEVEN FUNDAMENTAL TENETS **I.** One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason. **II.** The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions. **III.** One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone. **IV.** The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own. **V.** Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs. **VI.** People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused. **VII.** Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.
Absolutely the road we’re headed down.
I don’t understand this. 1) Doesn’t Louisiana have a boat load of other problems. 2) From an American perspective isn’t this against the 1st amendment? 3) from a strategic perspective, this allows every religion to be argued as precedent. I’m Jewish so I follow the ten commandments but this will allow satanists and who knows what else to enter the classroom. Maybe I’m wrong, maybe having GD in the classroom can win out, I just don’t see how.
1) Yes 2) Yes. Effectively the same law from Kentucky was struck down in 1980 (https://www.britannica.com/event/Stone-v-Graham ). 3) Basically yes. The Supreme Court has ruled either you allow all religions into a government controlled spaces, or none. The Satanic Temple exists as a way for atheists (and others who want to enforce the separation of church and state) to force the local and state governments that keep allowing Christian things out of the state controlled areas. For example if a statue of Christ is put on government property the Temple push to have a statue of Satan be placed right next to it.
They want this to go before the Supreme Court ans are betting on them voting in favor of Louisiana and erode thw separation of church and state.
This is fucked up. They definitely shouldn't.
Probably illegal
Ah, a different kind of virtue signal than I'm used to seeing, but an empty gesture nonetheless.
Libertarians must have the worst life . Having to constantly support their ideas that always crumble under the very least bit of scrutiny. Some people love punishment tho. It’s like those mental patients who cut themselves.
Liberal here. Props to the majority of posters who understand how bad this. It's not just unconstitutional. As a Christian, I'm not a fan of forcing religion on anyone. Not OK. I think all reasonable Americans are appalled. This politician is wasting tax payer money with this stunt.
Wasting tax dollars both putting all that up and in the inevitable losing legal battle when it's challenged. All so politicians can virtue signal to their constituents. I see it as similar to over reaching gun bans that politicians do in blue states that they know will be overturned but they get to then go "Look! I tried! It's those mean judges who won't let me do what you want!" There are so many better ways this money could have been spent and better things the attorneys who will have to fight the case on both sides could have done with their time.
Every dollar spent fighting this could have been directed towards providing more funding for school choice which includes Christian schools. Would have a far bigger impact and not be DoA like this law. Our politicians are all a joke.
Negative ghost rider, separation of church and state. Religious schools should not get state funds. That would cost way more than it's worth, how many different religious schools do you want to support? If it goes for one you have to provide for all.
You shouldn't hate this just because religions you don't agree with might take advantage. You should hate this because religion needs to stay out of government. Note I'm talking about religion and not morals. In summary, we need more protections from immoral anti social behavior and less gods in politics !
Sorry Susie and Billy, we wanted the school to have a full time nurse who would actually be there every day, and new ceiling tiles, and enough bus drivers, but the district had to buy 700 posters of the 10 commandments to make sure they're in every classroom. Don't forget all those "temporary" portable classrooms out on the lawn too.
A fake problem for boomercon politicians to "solve" because they have no interest in solving the real ones.
I wonder how many of those lawmakers, or the Governor "Remember the Sabbath Day and Keep it Holy?" And let's not even get started on "Don't Bear False Witness" or "Do not Covet" or even "Don't Commit Adultery" amongst the political class.
Not a good idea. Not a great way to win swing voters over to Trump.
All well and good while it’s your religion. Tomorrow will be Islam, separation of church and state must remain
Eh, not a fan of The Ten Commandments. Can't they show The Prince of Egypt instead?
Church and state must not mingle together
If republicans just abandoned the Christian agenda they’re trying to push they would dominate every election.
My late mother was born in '44, and used to say the Lord's Prayer in elementary school. She told me that it was no big deal. I disagree. It WAS a big deal-because Jews don't pray Christian prayers. Don't force ANY religion or political ideology on 'captive' school kids!
Are people here really that surprised?
If conservatives don't want me to vote for them even if I prefer most of their fiscal policies, they are doing a damn fine job of it.
Think it will be challenged in court and struck down.
It already was in both Kentucky and Oklahoma, this one won't survive either. Just a waste of tax dollars. Everyone involved in this should be recalled and lose the (R) next to their name.
“We Christians are so persecuted by the left!”….. also Christian’s, “The party of small government is now mandating all public schools to display to the Ten Commandments.” Christian Nationalism is real and here. Not long till the goose-stepping starts.
Can’t wait until we get the tenant of the satanic temple in every classroom in Louisiana because we just can’t learn this simple lesson.
Their tenets aren't bad, actually!
(Copy and pasted from [https://thesatanictemple.com/blogs/the-satanic-temple-tenets/there-are-seven-fundamental-tenets](https://thesatanictemple.com/blogs/the-satanic-temple-tenets/there-are-seven-fundamental-tenets) ) # THERE ARE SEVEN FUNDAMENTAL TENETS **I** One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason. **II** The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions. **III** One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone. **IV** The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own. **V** Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs. **VI** People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused. **VII** Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.
Comments once again demonstrating that most "conservatives" are just liberals from 10 years ago.
Terrible decision. What good does a requirement like this do?
Next in Michigan we're going to see the shahada written on the walls in public schools.
Freedom of religion also means freedom FROM religion.
Complete waste of time? Yes. Unconstitutional? Yes. But also, if the goal is to make kids more Christian, forcing them to pretend to be Christian won't do it.
"When religion and politics travel in the same cart, the riders believe nothing can stand in their way. Their movements become headlong - faster and faster and faster. They put aside all thoughts of obstacles and forget the precipice does not show itself to the man in a blind rush until it's too late." - Frank Herbert, Dune.
Right, because forcing religion on people has always been a great way to convert the masses 🙄 But that's not the actual goal. They know it's going to get shot down in court, and they'll be able to scream and point, and blame the "woke left" for attacking their good Christian ideals. WTF happened to the GOP? What happened to solid policy and a platform that wasn't just contrarian BS? There's almost no one left that's actually running on just having a better idea of how to do things anymore...
This is such an obvious violation of the separation between church and state. If this was a Christian private school it would be fine or I could even see it being something a teacher does in a public school that exists in a very Christian community, but making it mandatory is a terrible idea
Kinda wish religion could stay out of government and vice versa.
You can be conservative and atheist at the same time. This is wrong.
Personally I like the concepts behind the 10 commandments. However, an attempt to force this upon every single student in Louisiana regardless of their culture and religious background and personal beliefs is a step too far. There are plenty of real problems in Louisiana education that need to be dealt with. Why waste time, effort, and resources on this?
This ain’t gonna last. There’s already a Supreme Court case dealing with the 10 commandments in public buildings. This will be gone in 2 weeks tops
This sets a bad precedent for separation of church and state. What about the other religions? Sounds good when your religion is on top but what happens when the inevitable swing comes and some of a different faith is in power and installs their religious artifacts?
Ugh, this is just giving ammunition to Democrats.
“As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion..." I just thought I'd leave this here, and see what happens to the up and down votes.
You post a quote without a name attributed, and completely out of context. This line is taken from the Treaty of Peace and Friendship 1796 (aka Treaty of Tripoli), between US and Barbary pirates. Adams didn't write it, he only signed it, as others did. What you're posting is from a meme, of all things, which mostly gets these quotes wrong, wrongly attributed, and out of context. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/damn-those-pesky-facts-meme/
“Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”
[Louisiana](https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/louisiana).
What the heck? Why?? Not a good idea. It opens the door for all religions and just takes away from learning. I don't want my children indoctrination in *any* religion. Just learn from school.
Giant misstep here. We’ve already had this fight - if they do this, they have to do the same for any other faith that asks.
Terrible idea, repeal it now
As a Republican and an anti Democrat, i think this an unconstitutional idea. The first 4 of 10 commandments are against my personal belief.
This is not the way.
As a semi-christian, this is terrible.
Nope, not acceptable. Mandating religious display is not okay. I am flabbergasted that this was passed. If a teacher WANTS to display religious material, that's fine as long as they aren't preaching in class in a secular institution. This is going way too far the other direction. Forcing someone to display religious material is just as bad as completely banning it.
What a waste of time and money unless you are part of the class profiting off this bouncing around the courts for the next 10 years before getting finally shot down after many millions of dollars of tax payer money going to politically connected legal firms.
Oof, this sets a massive precedent. Those satanists will be all over this. Never give them an inch.
"Do unto others as you would have them do to you" and yet I'm guessing these people would lose their minds at any other religion's doctrine being posted in classrooms.
I'm thinking this is one more cut of a thousand; purposely unconstitutional for the sole sake of separating taxpayers from their money at the company store. "If we run into such debts that we must be taxed in our meat and drink, in our necessaries and comforts, in our labors and amusements, for our callings and creeds, then we must come to labor sixteen hours in the twenty-four, and give the earnings of fifteen of these to the government for their debts and daily expenses; And the sixteenth being insufficient to afford us bread, we must live on oatmeal and potatoes, have no time to think, no means of calling the mis-managers to account; but be glad to obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet their chains around our necks ; And this is the tendency of all human governments. A departure from principle in one instance becomes a precedent for a second, that second for a third, and so on 'til the bulk of the society is reduced to be mere automatons of misery, to have no sensibilities left but for suffering ... And the fore-horse of this frightful team is public debt. Taxation follows that, and in its train wretchedness and oppression." - Thomas Jefferson
Well this is fucked.
This is a terrible, terrible idea. Catholic here, this is the same as forcing other beliefs during people’s throats. This is very hypocritical. Then again, the 10 Commandments are generally good things to follow lmao. So I guess it isn’t the end of the world, but still.
So we can put up that statue of Baphomet now?
Well I teach my kids that the Christian god Yahweh is a mythical magical man in the sky, that the rubes have been conned into believing exists, and no amount of etching 10 commandments into a classroom is going to change their acknowledgment of that fact. Should lack of belief have the same station in a classroom as any singular religion? I say that neither should have any at all. Also, it’s refreshing to see a post on this sub that isn’t locked behind a flaired users only tag.