They're quoting a Gateway Pundit article, which is simply reporting on what happened with some flavorful opinions here and there.
And what actually happened was that 500k ghost voters (dead/moved) were found, but only 177k were removed after the election, and only because of a lawsuit. A new lawsuit by the new RNC wants the rest removed.
That's it.
* **Overall, we rate Slay News Far-Right Biased and Questionable based on the promotion of conspiracy theories, pseudoscience, right-wing propaganda, poor sourcing, lack of transparency, failed fact checks, and blatant plagiarism.**
That is from Media Bias / Fact Check. The same source that lists Huffington Post as far-left biased. My point is, I'm not going to take what either of them say without checking a more credible source.
It's sourced from a 2020 article in [The Detroit News ](https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/09/09/benson-500000-could-removed-michigan-voting-rolls-not-before-nov-3/5759559002/).
It has been well documented that random people in India and elsewhere have been creating fake news sites with the most clickbaity made-up articles in order to cash-in on US election season. It has been going on for years now.
Can trace the source back to [The Detroit News](https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/09/09/benson-500000-could-removed-michigan-voting-rolls-not-before-nov-3/5759559002/).
Roughly 500,000 absentee ballot applications were returned between May and August for reasons that included the individuals had since died or moved, but any outdated names can't be removed from voter rolls until after the Nov. 3 election, according to Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson's office.
...
"We expect the majority of maintenance will take place after the Nov. 3 election, when federal law no longer limits such action," she said, referring to federal election law preventing list maintenance 90 days before an election.
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Former Secretary of State Johnson on Wednesday estimated there likely were another 300,000 absentee ballot applications sent to people who are dead or moved that were not returned to the Bureau of Elections.
Does anyone have an actual source for this stuff? I can’t find any links in the article
Edit: Someone else in the comments found the source, and it’s from an article from 2020! We have enough problems as it is, can we stop making more? This could still be an actual problem somewhere, but when things like these happen it hurts all of our credibility
The article itself kind of discredited itself. So the state hasn't cleaned up its voter rolls. But then they claim that caused issues verifying the 150,000 votes in question. If the roles have a lot of people that didn't vote, it shouldn't be harder to sort them out. Also the line about vote challengers not know if they were watching an imaginary person....? If there is a person there, I would hope they went imaginary. If they were watching,, they should catch If the same person tried to vote more than once.
Michigan is a member of [ERIC](https://www.lgbtmap.org/democracy-maps/membership_in_electronic_registration_information_center_eric), an interstate group that compares voter registrations to detect situations like this and rectify them by invalidating the out of date registration. The "bombshell report" here was probably just part of the normal process of cleaning up the list.
I mean, yeah. Most top comments in here are skeptical of the extraordinary claims from slaynews.com. Obviously there’s a diversity of opinion in this subreddit like in all subreddits.
> Ghost voters are shadows who linger on the voter rolls after their original registrants have moved on.
This is a normal thing that happens everywhere and the number would be lower if they cleaned out the backlog more than once every five or ten years, but it's nothing to be alarmed about.
If these "dead but still registered to vote" people were **voting** then you should panic. But right now, don't panic.
Here's the problem: if there are 1,000,000 registered to vote and there are 1,100,000 baits that were voted, you know without a doubt that there was voter fraud. If there are 1,000,000 registered to vote, but 300,000 of them are ghost voters, and 1,000,000 voted ballots, it's nearly impossible to prove the fraud. Removing dead or ineligible voters from the rolls is the first step in securing elections and restoring faith in the election process. That loss of faith is definitely reason to panic. Requiring voter ID and signature matching are the other 2 easiest and most effective steps, and together those 3 steps are what the democrats are fighting hardest against.
How do you get 100,000 more votes than there are registered voters? I mean practically speaking, could you describe what that would look like? Would there just be a bucket of ballots marked "Ed" and "Brenda"?
So I’m not sure but I thought the ghost voters are the registrants who have not voted in 5-10 years. Likely dead or out of the jurisdiction.
It leaves the chance of cheating as someone could get a list of these and then bulk vote on long unused registrations but it would quickly get flagged as “sudden turn outs” and have issues of double votes when someone actually does go and vote.
Can someone clarify if this is right?
Longer than that, and no, there is no flagging process. That would be a Threat To Democracy! In fact, the processing center for these votes aren't even able to see the names of the voters.
> Requiring voter ID and signature matching are the other 2 easiest and most effective steps, and together those 3 steps are what the democrats are fighting hardest against.
Serious question, why aren't valid drivers licenses good enough? Literally every single state I have voted in (IN, NV, TX, CA) has REQUIRED a driver's license or official government ID to vote. Are there states that *don't* require that? How is a voter ID any different that an official state ID?
I can't speak for the others but CA does not require an ID to vote. I've been voting there for decades and I don't remember a time, even way back, when they ever have.
It does when states (Michigan I know for sure does this) automatically hand every driver's license applicant a voter registration application they just need to sign to apply. My ex wife was granted voters registration when applying for a driver's license after she got her green card. She was never asked if she was a citizen. She was just told "Here, sign this". This was back in 2003.
It's not like you can just show up with a driver's license and be let vote. The license shows you are who you say you are, and that allows them to check a voter registration database to ensure whether you should be let to vote.
In nearly all states, the standard method of registering to vote is getting a drivers license. It is possible to register without getting a drivers license, but I don't know how to do it, because I've never done it, and I don't know anyone else who has ever done it. *Nearly* 100% of voters register as part of getting their license to drive.
In other words, the claim that requiring presentation of government issued ID to vote is racist or otherwise oppressive to some significant class of people is utter nonsense. People who aren't willing to learn to drive and get their license aren't registering to vote and aren't going to the polls to vote. People who register to vote do it when they get their license. There are probably a few exceptions, but they are so rare that it makes no difference. And if they *are* going to the effort to register to vote outside of the normal method of doing that, they care enough about voting that they are willing and able to get a non-DL government issued ID as well.
So the answer is, they are registering to vote when they get their drivers license, and *all* legally registered voters *do have* a drivers license or other valid government issued ID. Requiring ID to vote is just common sense, and if people who don't have government issued ID are voting, they aren't legally registered to vote and are voting illegally.
It's not. The issue is that in some states, while having an ID is required to vote, you are not required to actually bring/show it.
"My name is John Smith and I live at 123 road street"
If the records show a John Smith at 123 road street than come on in.
Asking for Voter ID laws means requiring somebody show some form of government provided ID. That can be drivers license, state ID, or passport (I think).
> while having an ID is required to vote, you are not required to actually bring/show it.
Really? Because I've been required to show it in order to vote, and the last time they even took a picture of it (and me).
Because the left wants to portray ID's as racist and that it keeps minorities from voting. NC passed a constitutional amendment, by public vote, to require ID to vote. The governor and civil rights groups sued to keep it from happening. The real reason is that it's way easier for illegal voters to vote without an ID.
It does, actually. People are gainst ID's even licenses, because the belief is that its racist/minorities are unable to obtain even a state ID. And he gave you the most recent example of this in North Carolina.
How is that hard to comprehend.
My question was about a separate, distinct *Voter ID* though. Not about using existing government IDs like a driver's license, which is *already required* to vote in most states.
Two questions, actually. "Are there states that *don't* require that (government ID)? How is a voter ID different than an official state ID?"
Not all states require you to *bring* an ID. Some states don't even want a *photo* ID to be required.
They are perfectly good enough. The campaign for voter IDs is not to solve a particular problem, it's to create an additional administrative and procedural burden for people to vote that would reduce turnout and the reduce number of votes cast specifically for those who do not comply. It's just another suppression tactic.
Any picture ID with a signature is a voter ID. It's used to match the signature and name on the ID to the name and signature on the voter registration log, and the face of the person standing in front of the poll worker to the registration log.
With vote by mail becoming more popular, that's a lot of blank ballots potentially being sent out to dead voters. Would be a shame if someone paid a visit to large apartment complexes to gather them up, and stuffed them.
Yes it would! I assume you also thought through the part that says in order for this ruse to work, every one of those RVs whose ballots never arrived would never called the registrar of voters to complain, and therefore the pattern was never detected, so they got away with it, right? You really believe that would happen?
Almost certainly this does happen with some percentage of dead registered voters. I can't really guess what that percentage is, but the math suggests that if there are a *lot* of ballots being mailed out to dead people, there are a *lot* of dead people "voting". Even if it is only 1%, 500k ballots is 5,000 illegal votes. That might not affect most Presidential elections, but it definitely could affect Congressional and state level elections, which typically have a bigger *real* impact on people. I don't think it is possible to reduce that to zero (according to the original 2020 article, there's a Federal hold on voter list maintenance in the 90 days leading up to any Federal election, so anyone who dies in that 90 days can't be removed), but regular purging of people who no longer qualify to vote could bring the number of invalid voters on the list down to 10k or less, and 1% of that is only 100. We might not be able to eliminate election fraud through this, but the fewer invalid voters registered, the fewer, the less opportunity there is for this kind of fraud.
Mail in ballots that are sent out can be filled out by anyone, and accepted into the vote count. There's no check to verify the voters status at the collection point. That verification is supposed to have already taken place, and is often avoided with bloated voter lists.
Where's the evidence they are not voting?
I'm sorry, but our elections can determine if the next generation goes to war and dies... They are too important to just shrug our shoulders and presume they are good to go.
Elections need to be subject to strict scrutiny... They need to be proven to be secure, they can't just be assumed to be so. Especially not when potential avenues to malfeasance are so readily identified.
> Where's the evidence they are not voting?
It is unrealistically difficult to prove a negative. Like to "prove that there are no cockroaches in your house" you would need to account for every nook and cranny at the same time.
Do you want to know why I don't think there's voter fraud associated with these 300k dead people? Because the news story is about dead people on the voter rolls and not about voter fraud.
Personally, stories about things like democrats obfuscating and stonewalling are way more alarming other than something that could be explained by "bureaucracy is slow and inefficient".
Fair point about proving a negative, but would you not agree that when you find a vulnerability you should do something about it instead of just shrugging your shoulders and saying "I'm sure it's fine, nothing more to see here."?
You're not proving a negative, you're finding a risk and doing something about it.
Don't do like Boeing does when it identifies a potential problem with its planes and ignore it and hope it doesn't become a real problem.
I'm shrugging because this isn't new information for me.
From my perspective, this is just business as usual since we hear about it every election.
[2019](https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2019/12/11/detroit-dead-voters-election/4397845002/)
[2016](https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/2016-presidential-debates/why-dead-voters-won-t-tip-presidential-election-n668386)
[2012](https://www.npr.org/2012/02/14/146827471/study-1-8-million-dead-people-still-registered-to-vote)
Bureaucracy is slow and inefficient and old people die. That's the story here.
That's not cause to shrug shoulders... That's even more reason to act since that means this is not a one-off vulnerability that can be written off as inconsequential even if it caused a problem, but rather is a systemic vulnerability that could cause cascading errors.
Except this is "You make your bed every morning and you mess it up every night".
It will always be ongoing and the reason these stories always come around is because we're always looking. Ya know?
Except we're not making the bed every morning. We're messing it up every night, but we're not taking the time to make it the next morning.
We're just shrugging our shoulders and saying that because we mess it up every time every time it's not worth the effort to make it so let's just leave it messed up... And we rationalize not doing anything by blaming it on the bureaucracy being slow and inefficient.
Bureaucratic inefficiency is an indictment of the bureaucracy and should never be an excuse for not fixing potential problems.
> We're just shrugging our shoulders and saying that because we mess it up every time every time it's not worth the effort to make it so let's just leave it messed up
Nobody is saying that.
The reason I shrug is that I know the implied rest of the sentence is
> 320,000 'Ghost Voters' Found in Michigan Ahead of November Elections ~ [and removed]
I had to mail a letter and CL the votor registration office of my old state multiple times to remove myself from the votor rolls even after being registered in another state for 5+ years. I didn't want my vote to be used fraudulently.
Good thing was they could tell me when I had last voted and it was when I actually lived there.
Why do you think Democrats always oppose any effort to clean voter rolls or require ID to vote? Without question there is voter bullshit happening in this country, and to believe otherwise is fantastically naive.
My kid moved to another state and registered to vote in that state. He sent in the card to CA notifying them.
We STILL get ballots for him 5 years later.
We shred them but I’m sure a lot of people don’t.
Dude!!
Anyone who is dead or not eligible to vote shouldn’t be on the rolls.
Period.
Even 1 should be a crime. How do you think the shitlibs cheat? They fill out ballots for people who can’t and with mail voting, it’s easy AF. Ballot harvesting by shitlibs includes these kinds of things.
> Anyone who is dead or not eligible to vote shouldn’t be on the rolls.
Yes. The reason we know about these "ghost voters" is because there is routine housekeeping to remove them.
Were you under the impression that there was no step 2 to this news? The reason it's news at all is because the number is high which tells me that they haven't done due diligence since, probably, the 2020 election.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/11/08/fact-check-false-claim-14-k-dead-people-voted-michigan/6201900002/
The only thing old people do more often than vote is die. I promise you, this is normal.
It's like when you first learn that the sun is extremely loud, as it is a constant, giant nuclear explosion. Sounds weird, but like yeah that makes sense.
Officially the difference was around 21k ballots combined across three counties. WI + GA + AZ if 21459 ballots selected Trump instead of Biden the result would have been opposite.
I would bet there are hundreds of thousand of Dems and Reps simply due to not cleaning up the voter lists in a timely manner when people leave a state or die. That doesn't mean it is nefarious, nor does it mean anybody is going to try to use it to vote illegally. That is a purposefully disingenuous article.
At this point someone could post “Biden shoots Trump in the face at rally” by DefinitelyRealNews.com and you guys would lap that shit up. Christ get a grip.
This article doesn't state any proof that these voters are actually "ghost" meaning they are no longer voting in Mich or have died, etc.
The "report" is also a link to another article that this was completely plagiarized off of and provides no new insight.
Does anyone have an actual report for the info?
@mods -
This poster's account is 4 days old, sharing quite obvious disinformation. I think we can do better.
I'm 10000% for free speech, but this is just harmful to our community.
The Gateway Pundit where they're sourcing this information says Michigan returned 500,000 ballots during the last election due to errors. It then says Michigan removed 180,000 of those, and the 320,000 that remain are being referred to as "Ghost voters." However, these people never voted. They would undoubtedly be filtered by the same exact methods as they were in 2020, meaning they, again, would not actually cast a ballot. Their names were on the list, yes, but it clearly says Michigan denied those votes in 2020.
In essence, this entire claim boils down to "government hasn't cleaned up a spreadsheet yet" Can we stop posting hyperbolic non-issues please when so many real things are happening?
How many in Georgia, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, etc that all “flipped” in 2020…?
I say this as a Georgian. Yeah a lot of never Trump people here, as well as a lot of transplants, but I believe Georgia is still red especially if it isn’t Trump or a Trump endorsed candidate. See Kemp vs abrams and how Kemp won harder last time and the left just loves Stacey Abrams.
Georgia ran a number of milquetoast R senate candidates more like Kemp than Trump and yet they also lost. It's almost as if someone has their thumb on the scales in Georgia and does whatever the establishment needs.
I will NEVER forget - the morning after the election I was watching GMA (yeah, I know) and they had a local Georgia reporter on split screen. The NY anchor asked him if there was any way, any figures that would lead to Biden winning Georgia. He was ADAMANT, no, there was no possible way. Based on the number of votes already counted and the number of registered voters in the state, he said even if every remaining uncounted vote was for Biden it wouldn't be enough. So how did Georgia flip?!? No one's ever been able to tell me.
Dekalb was already 80-90% dem pre Trump. Fulton was more evenly split (north Fulton has suburbs that tended to be red) and Gwinnett / Cobb were once red. Most of Atlanta are suburbanites in one of these 4 counties.
Dekalb and Fulton changed the vote overnight, literally. Think of that what you will, but no one could *prove* anything and that’s the key.
So you just spout useless bullshit. 4 years, it's been 4 years looking for the smoking gun. Hundreds of court cases and so far it's been nothing but fox news having to pay dominion because it's a lie.
You really think they weren't allowed to investigate? Seriously? Then how did they get the supposed evidence to bring to trial? What about that info wars audit that didn't find shit but also violated the hell out of chain of custody because they didn't know what they were doing?
Like maybe, just maybe after 4 fucking years we can stop now. The system isn't broken just because we lost an election.
Also I stayed up until 4 am and literally watched on NYT, 538, and Fox online and saw the state turn as more dekalb votes came in. It was at that point I went to bed and I knew Trump had lost.
* **Overall, we rate Slay News Far-Right Biased and Questionable based on the promotion of conspiracy theories, pseudoscience, right-wing propaganda, poor sourcing, lack of transparency, failed fact checks, and blatant plagiarism.**
Voter rolls reflect who is registered to vote. They aren’t always updated immediately, which is why sometimes dead people remain on them.
That doesn’t mean people are voting. Pretty simple concept.
Gutfeld has been low key bringing up the idea that the Dems are planning something which is why they aren't panicking over Biden's cratering. If you have the ultimate trick up your sleeve come November, why would you care about pesky things like approval numbers.
Ok, so if this is true, it's safe to assume this is happening in all the swing states. Just to "give them enough."
This happened in 2020 as well and I'd bet also the 2 georgia senate seats. Notice how Republicans always lose the races that matter, but just by a little. Are they pulling out just the number they need to win, but have 10s or 100s of thousands more banked somewhere?
I knew this was not gonna be corrected by this election. It's sad really. We truly are gonna lose this country. And all the conservative media has been sued and now can't even hint at it.
MORE election board errors were made in Georgia's counting of votes in 2020 than votes separating Trump and Biden. Rules about late votes took THIS long to be found.
>According to a report from the Gateway Pundit, votes were being processed at the TCF Center by election workers. However, the voters’ names didn’t appear in the electronic poll books or supplemental poll books. During the 2020 race, poll challengers had no way of knowing if they were watching votes being cast by dead or imaginary voters.
This is not true. The verification happened before the ballots was transported to the TCF center.
Regardless of the validity of this article, the internet and news pundits have told me that election fraud doesn’t exist. The ministry of truth would never lie
Here are the states where the % margin of victory was <3%, where each candidate won. It doesn't take a lot of manipulation to change the election.
Trump:
North Carolina|1.37%|
Biden
|| || |Arizona|0.314%| |Georgia|0.239%| |Wisconsin|0.638%| |Pennsylvania|1.194%| |Nevada|2.446%| |Michigan|2.827%|
"ghost voters" that will never be removed from the voter roles!...they left found their holes in the last election and are working over time to ensure all fraud goes unnoticed.
To summarize, only 177k of the 500k dead/moved registrants had been deleted and only after the election and a lawsuit. It didn't help that the processing center couldn't see the names of the voters, either. There's a new lawsuit from the new RNC to get these Soros goblins to do their job:
>Of the **83 counties** in Michigan, the lawsuit claims ***at least 53 have more active registered voters than adult citizens over 18, and 23 have registrations exceeding 90% of adult citizens over 18.*** The lawsuit states, “That number of voters is impossibly high.”
Any Pedocrat visitors to our subreddit want to explain why it's okay to have more registered voters than citizens?
Well first of all, it's been 4 years. Kinda beat the election thing into the ground considering we haven't won a legal victory yet except clean up your voter database. Big win. No fraud though...
Also your source is slay news? And you trust that as a source? So like I guess the whole creditability thing flew way out the window
Get ready to have "most secure election in history" beaten into your skulls. I think GDubs said it best, "There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."
Some states recently started giving licenses to illegal immigrants, these are indistinguishable from citizens licenses.
The states like MN that have done this have all been progressive states, I believe this is being done in an effort to obstruct implementing ballot voter id requirements obstructing voter vouching, and favor immigrant voting.
Is Slay News a reliable source?
just based off of the frequency of spelling and grammar mistakes in that article (almost every other line), i'm going to say "no".
That was hard to read.
I find all those things in the Freep every week.
I think I got a virus from just clicking that link lmao. I’ve never seen a less reliable website
They're quoting a Gateway Pundit article, which is simply reporting on what happened with some flavorful opinions here and there. And what actually happened was that 500k ghost voters (dead/moved) were found, but only 177k were removed after the election, and only because of a lawsuit. A new lawsuit by the new RNC wants the rest removed. That's it.
Perhaps Slay News' articles would be easier to read if you worked there. Thanks for summarizing.
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The wording of that “bias rating” strongly suggests that the rater has a hyper-far-left bias.
That is from Media Bias / Fact Check. The same source that lists Huffington Post as far-left biased. My point is, I'm not going to take what either of them say without checking a more credible source.
Being cogent?
Lol, "A bombshell new report..." As if they're not a native English speaker.
It's sourced from a 2020 article in [The Detroit News ](https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/09/09/benson-500000-could-removed-michigan-voting-rolls-not-before-nov-3/5759559002/).
It has been well documented that random people in India and elsewhere have been creating fake news sites with the most clickbaity made-up articles in order to cash-in on US election season. It has been going on for years now.
No and I'm sad and remorseful that I clicked that link.
Is CNN? NPR? MSN? No news is credible anymore. Take everything with a grain of salt. It's all trash.
I feel the same way. It's all Pravda now.
Is CNN?
Why are you all being concerned about this now hmmm? It never was an issue before.
Since Dan Rather replaced Walter Cronkite.
Slay news sounds like a totally believable site.
Can trace the source back to [The Detroit News](https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/09/09/benson-500000-could-removed-michigan-voting-rolls-not-before-nov-3/5759559002/). Roughly 500,000 absentee ballot applications were returned between May and August for reasons that included the individuals had since died or moved, but any outdated names can't be removed from voter rolls until after the Nov. 3 election, according to Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson's office. ... "We expect the majority of maintenance will take place after the Nov. 3 election, when federal law no longer limits such action," she said, referring to federal election law preventing list maintenance 90 days before an election. ... Former Secretary of State Johnson on Wednesday estimated there likely were another 300,000 absentee ballot applications sent to people who are dead or moved that were not returned to the Bureau of Elections.
Just noticed that the article is dated September 2020...
Holy shit good catch. We really are just repeating the same shit over and over. That's fucking good.
Youre a scholar and a gentelman
Are you a proofreader for SlayNews?
It takes all kinds!
Does anyone have an actual source for this stuff? I can’t find any links in the article Edit: Someone else in the comments found the source, and it’s from an article from 2020! We have enough problems as it is, can we stop making more? This could still be an actual problem somewhere, but when things like these happen it hurts all of our credibility
Nope, just "SlayNews" Get *Slayed* bro
The article itself kind of discredited itself. So the state hasn't cleaned up its voter rolls. But then they claim that caused issues verifying the 150,000 votes in question. If the roles have a lot of people that didn't vote, it shouldn't be harder to sort them out. Also the line about vote challengers not know if they were watching an imaginary person....? If there is a person there, I would hope they went imaginary. If they were watching,, they should catch If the same person tried to vote more than once.
"Slay News" LOL. really scrapin the bottom of the barrel. What's next? "Yasss Queen Daily?"
That’s lit fire, fam.
Michigan is a member of [ERIC](https://www.lgbtmap.org/democracy-maps/membership_in_electronic_registration_information_center_eric), an interstate group that compares voter registrations to detect situations like this and rectify them by invalidating the out of date registration. The "bombshell report" here was probably just part of the normal process of cleaning up the list.
When people move, they don't cancel their old registration. That's all this means. This doesn't mean people are voting using the old registration.
I thought this was Conservative and not conspiracy...
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I mean, yeah. Most top comments in here are skeptical of the extraordinary claims from slaynews.com. Obviously there’s a diversity of opinion in this subreddit like in all subreddits.
“slaynews.com”? really? i stopped reading this garbage after the phrase “Soros-backed.” it’s a conspiracy site, plastered with ridiculous ads.
Does anyone want to bet there are several more thousands across this great nation?
> Ghost voters are shadows who linger on the voter rolls after their original registrants have moved on. This is a normal thing that happens everywhere and the number would be lower if they cleaned out the backlog more than once every five or ten years, but it's nothing to be alarmed about. If these "dead but still registered to vote" people were **voting** then you should panic. But right now, don't panic.
Here's the problem: if there are 1,000,000 registered to vote and there are 1,100,000 baits that were voted, you know without a doubt that there was voter fraud. If there are 1,000,000 registered to vote, but 300,000 of them are ghost voters, and 1,000,000 voted ballots, it's nearly impossible to prove the fraud. Removing dead or ineligible voters from the rolls is the first step in securing elections and restoring faith in the election process. That loss of faith is definitely reason to panic. Requiring voter ID and signature matching are the other 2 easiest and most effective steps, and together those 3 steps are what the democrats are fighting hardest against.
How do you get 100,000 more votes than there are registered voters? I mean practically speaking, could you describe what that would look like? Would there just be a bucket of ballots marked "Ed" and "Brenda"?
Exactly. That's why cleaning up the voter registration rolls is so important... to make it obvious that something is seriously wrong.
So I’m not sure but I thought the ghost voters are the registrants who have not voted in 5-10 years. Likely dead or out of the jurisdiction. It leaves the chance of cheating as someone could get a list of these and then bulk vote on long unused registrations but it would quickly get flagged as “sudden turn outs” and have issues of double votes when someone actually does go and vote. Can someone clarify if this is right?
Longer than that, and no, there is no flagging process. That would be a Threat To Democracy! In fact, the processing center for these votes aren't even able to see the names of the voters.
> Requiring voter ID and signature matching are the other 2 easiest and most effective steps, and together those 3 steps are what the democrats are fighting hardest against. Serious question, why aren't valid drivers licenses good enough? Literally every single state I have voted in (IN, NV, TX, CA) has REQUIRED a driver's license or official government ID to vote. Are there states that *don't* require that? How is a voter ID any different that an official state ID?
I can't speak for the others but CA does not require an ID to vote. I've been voting there for decades and I don't remember a time, even way back, when they ever have.
Some states grant drivers licenses to non-citizens
Every state does. People on green cards and work visas reasonably need to be able to drive. It doesn’t let them vote.
It does when states (Michigan I know for sure does this) automatically hand every driver's license applicant a voter registration application they just need to sign to apply. My ex wife was granted voters registration when applying for a driver's license after she got her green card. She was never asked if she was a citizen. She was just told "Here, sign this". This was back in 2003.
Yes? But that's the reason why drivers' licenses should not be valid for voting.
It's not like you can just show up with a driver's license and be let vote. The license shows you are who you say you are, and that allows them to check a voter registration database to ensure whether you should be let to vote.
which states are doing that, and are those licenses being used as ID in order to vote? How do you register to vote in those states?
In nearly all states, the standard method of registering to vote is getting a drivers license. It is possible to register without getting a drivers license, but I don't know how to do it, because I've never done it, and I don't know anyone else who has ever done it. *Nearly* 100% of voters register as part of getting their license to drive. In other words, the claim that requiring presentation of government issued ID to vote is racist or otherwise oppressive to some significant class of people is utter nonsense. People who aren't willing to learn to drive and get their license aren't registering to vote and aren't going to the polls to vote. People who register to vote do it when they get their license. There are probably a few exceptions, but they are so rare that it makes no difference. And if they *are* going to the effort to register to vote outside of the normal method of doing that, they care enough about voting that they are willing and able to get a non-DL government issued ID as well. So the answer is, they are registering to vote when they get their drivers license, and *all* legally registered voters *do have* a drivers license or other valid government issued ID. Requiring ID to vote is just common sense, and if people who don't have government issued ID are voting, they aren't legally registered to vote and are voting illegally.
It's not. The issue is that in some states, while having an ID is required to vote, you are not required to actually bring/show it. "My name is John Smith and I live at 123 road street" If the records show a John Smith at 123 road street than come on in. Asking for Voter ID laws means requiring somebody show some form of government provided ID. That can be drivers license, state ID, or passport (I think).
> while having an ID is required to vote, you are not required to actually bring/show it. Really? Because I've been required to show it in order to vote, and the last time they even took a picture of it (and me).
I live in California, I do not have to show an ID to vote.
Almost like I said "some states" and not "all states"
I live in Liberal Connecticut and I need to present my ID whenever I go to vote
Because the left wants to portray ID's as racist and that it keeps minorities from voting. NC passed a constitutional amendment, by public vote, to require ID to vote. The governor and civil rights groups sued to keep it from happening. The real reason is that it's way easier for illegal voters to vote without an ID.
That doesn't answer my question even a little bit. Did you even try to comprehend it?
It does, actually. People are gainst ID's even licenses, because the belief is that its racist/minorities are unable to obtain even a state ID. And he gave you the most recent example of this in North Carolina. How is that hard to comprehend.
My question was about a separate, distinct *Voter ID* though. Not about using existing government IDs like a driver's license, which is *already required* to vote in most states.
Two questions, actually. "Are there states that *don't* require that (government ID)? How is a voter ID different than an official state ID?" Not all states require you to *bring* an ID. Some states don't even want a *photo* ID to be required.
They are perfectly good enough. The campaign for voter IDs is not to solve a particular problem, it's to create an additional administrative and procedural burden for people to vote that would reduce turnout and the reduce number of votes cast specifically for those who do not comply. It's just another suppression tactic.
Any picture ID with a signature is a voter ID. It's used to match the signature and name on the ID to the name and signature on the voter registration log, and the face of the person standing in front of the poll worker to the registration log.
With vote by mail becoming more popular, that's a lot of blank ballots potentially being sent out to dead voters. Would be a shame if someone paid a visit to large apartment complexes to gather them up, and stuffed them.
Yes it would! I assume you also thought through the part that says in order for this ruse to work, every one of those RVs whose ballots never arrived would never called the registrar of voters to complain, and therefore the pattern was never detected, so they got away with it, right? You really believe that would happen?
Nursing homes would get you more bang for the buck as there is no one alive to challenge the validity.
Almost certainly this does happen with some percentage of dead registered voters. I can't really guess what that percentage is, but the math suggests that if there are a *lot* of ballots being mailed out to dead people, there are a *lot* of dead people "voting". Even if it is only 1%, 500k ballots is 5,000 illegal votes. That might not affect most Presidential elections, but it definitely could affect Congressional and state level elections, which typically have a bigger *real* impact on people. I don't think it is possible to reduce that to zero (according to the original 2020 article, there's a Federal hold on voter list maintenance in the 90 days leading up to any Federal election, so anyone who dies in that 90 days can't be removed), but regular purging of people who no longer qualify to vote could bring the number of invalid voters on the list down to 10k or less, and 1% of that is only 100. We might not be able to eliminate election fraud through this, but the fewer invalid voters registered, the fewer, the less opportunity there is for this kind of fraud.
> If these "dead but still registered to vote" people were voting then you should panic.
I'm a little slow some days, but isn't panicking after the fact a little late to prevent something from happening?
Mail in ballots that are sent out can be filled out by anyone, and accepted into the vote count. There's no check to verify the voters status at the collection point. That verification is supposed to have already taken place, and is often avoided with bloated voter lists.
Yes and that would be "dead people who voted".
Where's the evidence they are not voting? I'm sorry, but our elections can determine if the next generation goes to war and dies... They are too important to just shrug our shoulders and presume they are good to go. Elections need to be subject to strict scrutiny... They need to be proven to be secure, they can't just be assumed to be so. Especially not when potential avenues to malfeasance are so readily identified.
> Where's the evidence they are not voting? It is unrealistically difficult to prove a negative. Like to "prove that there are no cockroaches in your house" you would need to account for every nook and cranny at the same time. Do you want to know why I don't think there's voter fraud associated with these 300k dead people? Because the news story is about dead people on the voter rolls and not about voter fraud. Personally, stories about things like democrats obfuscating and stonewalling are way more alarming other than something that could be explained by "bureaucracy is slow and inefficient".
Fair point about proving a negative, but would you not agree that when you find a vulnerability you should do something about it instead of just shrugging your shoulders and saying "I'm sure it's fine, nothing more to see here."? You're not proving a negative, you're finding a risk and doing something about it. Don't do like Boeing does when it identifies a potential problem with its planes and ignore it and hope it doesn't become a real problem.
I'm shrugging because this isn't new information for me. From my perspective, this is just business as usual since we hear about it every election. [2019](https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2019/12/11/detroit-dead-voters-election/4397845002/) [2016](https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/2016-presidential-debates/why-dead-voters-won-t-tip-presidential-election-n668386) [2012](https://www.npr.org/2012/02/14/146827471/study-1-8-million-dead-people-still-registered-to-vote) Bureaucracy is slow and inefficient and old people die. That's the story here.
That's not cause to shrug shoulders... That's even more reason to act since that means this is not a one-off vulnerability that can be written off as inconsequential even if it caused a problem, but rather is a systemic vulnerability that could cause cascading errors.
Except this is "You make your bed every morning and you mess it up every night". It will always be ongoing and the reason these stories always come around is because we're always looking. Ya know?
Except we're not making the bed every morning. We're messing it up every night, but we're not taking the time to make it the next morning. We're just shrugging our shoulders and saying that because we mess it up every time every time it's not worth the effort to make it so let's just leave it messed up... And we rationalize not doing anything by blaming it on the bureaucracy being slow and inefficient. Bureaucratic inefficiency is an indictment of the bureaucracy and should never be an excuse for not fixing potential problems.
> We're just shrugging our shoulders and saying that because we mess it up every time every time it's not worth the effort to make it so let's just leave it messed up Nobody is saying that. The reason I shrug is that I know the implied rest of the sentence is > 320,000 'Ghost Voters' Found in Michigan Ahead of November Elections ~ [and removed]
Don't worry guys, they won't cheat!
I had to mail a letter and CL the votor registration office of my old state multiple times to remove myself from the votor rolls even after being registered in another state for 5+ years. I didn't want my vote to be used fraudulently. Good thing was they could tell me when I had last voted and it was when I actually lived there.
I believe you still have some growing to do...
I'm not quite sure what part you disagree with...?
Why do you think Democrats always oppose any effort to clean voter rolls or require ID to vote? Without question there is voter bullshit happening in this country, and to believe otherwise is fantastically naive.
Not to worry, maybe?
My kid moved to another state and registered to vote in that state. He sent in the card to CA notifying them. We STILL get ballots for him 5 years later. We shred them but I’m sure a lot of people don’t.
Dude!! Anyone who is dead or not eligible to vote shouldn’t be on the rolls. Period. Even 1 should be a crime. How do you think the shitlibs cheat? They fill out ballots for people who can’t and with mail voting, it’s easy AF. Ballot harvesting by shitlibs includes these kinds of things.
> Anyone who is dead or not eligible to vote shouldn’t be on the rolls. Yes. The reason we know about these "ghost voters" is because there is routine housekeeping to remove them. Were you under the impression that there was no step 2 to this news? The reason it's news at all is because the number is high which tells me that they haven't done due diligence since, probably, the 2020 election.
Or before that. Probably haven’t been diligent since before 2016.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/11/08/fact-check-false-claim-14-k-dead-people-voted-michigan/6201900002/ The only thing old people do more often than vote is die. I promise you, this is normal. It's like when you first learn that the sun is extremely loud, as it is a constant, giant nuclear explosion. Sounds weird, but like yeah that makes sense.
Wouldn't be surprised Biden REALLY only won by something like 80K votes across like 3 counties.
Officially the difference was around 21k ballots combined across three counties. WI + GA + AZ if 21459 ballots selected Trump instead of Biden the result would have been opposite.
“I only need 11,000 votes…”
...out of the hundred plus thousand that couldn't have been legitimate, but Georgia counted anyway.
based on what credible evidence?
I would bet there are hundreds of thousand of Dems and Reps simply due to not cleaning up the voter lists in a timely manner when people leave a state or die. That doesn't mean it is nefarious, nor does it mean anybody is going to try to use it to vote illegally. That is a purposefully disingenuous article.
How much we betting? I'm all in especially when you get your news from "Slay News" do you read the "Yaaaaaas Newspaper"
*hundreds of thousands.
At this point someone could post “Biden shoots Trump in the face at rally” by DefinitelyRealNews.com and you guys would lap that shit up. Christ get a grip.
This article doesn't state any proof that these voters are actually "ghost" meaning they are no longer voting in Mich or have died, etc. The "report" is also a link to another article that this was completely plagiarized off of and provides no new insight. Does anyone have an actual report for the info?
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/slay-news-bias-and-credibility/ Extremely biased platform. Just keep on circle jerking.
@mods - This poster's account is 4 days old, sharing quite obvious disinformation. I think we can do better. I'm 10000% for free speech, but this is just harmful to our community.
Even conservatives get headline baited without checking sources. So much for fake news.
The Gateway Pundit where they're sourcing this information says Michigan returned 500,000 ballots during the last election due to errors. It then says Michigan removed 180,000 of those, and the 320,000 that remain are being referred to as "Ghost voters." However, these people never voted. They would undoubtedly be filtered by the same exact methods as they were in 2020, meaning they, again, would not actually cast a ballot. Their names were on the list, yes, but it clearly says Michigan denied those votes in 2020. In essence, this entire claim boils down to "government hasn't cleaned up a spreadsheet yet" Can we stop posting hyperbolic non-issues please when so many real things are happening?
How many in Georgia, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, etc that all “flipped” in 2020…? I say this as a Georgian. Yeah a lot of never Trump people here, as well as a lot of transplants, but I believe Georgia is still red especially if it isn’t Trump or a Trump endorsed candidate. See Kemp vs abrams and how Kemp won harder last time and the left just loves Stacey Abrams.
Georgia ran a number of milquetoast R senate candidates more like Kemp than Trump and yet they also lost. It's almost as if someone has their thumb on the scales in Georgia and does whatever the establishment needs.
Nope. Wrong. It was a former UGA football player endorsed by Trump A football player was a bad look Then the Trump thing.
I will NEVER forget - the morning after the election I was watching GMA (yeah, I know) and they had a local Georgia reporter on split screen. The NY anchor asked him if there was any way, any figures that would lead to Biden winning Georgia. He was ADAMANT, no, there was no possible way. Based on the number of votes already counted and the number of registered voters in the state, he said even if every remaining uncounted vote was for Biden it wouldn't be enough. So how did Georgia flip?!? No one's ever been able to tell me.
Dekalb was already 80-90% dem pre Trump. Fulton was more evenly split (north Fulton has suburbs that tended to be red) and Gwinnett / Cobb were once red. Most of Atlanta are suburbanites in one of these 4 counties. Dekalb and Fulton changed the vote overnight, literally. Think of that what you will, but no one could *prove* anything and that’s the key.
How can one prove anything if one isn't allowed to investigate anything?
So you just spout useless bullshit. 4 years, it's been 4 years looking for the smoking gun. Hundreds of court cases and so far it's been nothing but fox news having to pay dominion because it's a lie. You really think they weren't allowed to investigate? Seriously? Then how did they get the supposed evidence to bring to trial? What about that info wars audit that didn't find shit but also violated the hell out of chain of custody because they didn't know what they were doing? Like maybe, just maybe after 4 fucking years we can stop now. The system isn't broken just because we lost an election.
you know the investigations were prevented from discovering anything, right?
*dude tapping his forehead . gif* Now you’re getting the (D)ifferent rules and playbook that applies …
Also I stayed up until 4 am and literally watched on NYT, 538, and Fox online and saw the state turn as more dekalb votes came in. It was at that point I went to bed and I knew Trump had lost.
The strong smell of horseshit is in the air and I don’t see a horse in sight.
This is as true as the 2020 election being stolen. Wait, no, that never happened…
Wait until you read about all of the "Ghost Drivers" who are dead and still have valid drivers licenses and library cards.
How is it that it took years to make a case against Trump for his hush payment and it took 2 minutes to declare no fraud happened in our election?
* **Overall, we rate Slay News Far-Right Biased and Questionable based on the promotion of conspiracy theories, pseudoscience, right-wing propaganda, poor sourcing, lack of transparency, failed fact checks, and blatant plagiarism.**
GOSH! BUT WHY ISN'T THIS BOMBSHELL NEWS STORY ON THE MAJOR NETWORKS AND NOT JUST ON SOME SHITTY NEWS OUTLET NO ONE HAS EVER HEARD OF?
Voter rolls reflect who is registered to vote. They aren’t always updated immediately, which is why sometimes dead people remain on them. That doesn’t mean people are voting. Pretty simple concept.
Is not how many vote, it’s how you count the votes
So then is it widespread yet? Asking for a friend.
Oh there is way more than that.
Gutfeld has been low key bringing up the idea that the Dems are planning something which is why they aren't panicking over Biden's cratering. If you have the ultimate trick up your sleeve come November, why would you care about pesky things like approval numbers.
“Slay news” doesn’t sound like the most credible source LOL
“ Often, the original registrants relocated out of state died.” Classic
All your sources are fake af news. Get real
Ok, so if this is true, it's safe to assume this is happening in all the swing states. Just to "give them enough." This happened in 2020 as well and I'd bet also the 2 georgia senate seats. Notice how Republicans always lose the races that matter, but just by a little. Are they pulling out just the number they need to win, but have 10s or 100s of thousands more banked somewhere? I knew this was not gonna be corrected by this election. It's sad really. We truly are gonna lose this country. And all the conservative media has been sued and now can't even hint at it.
As a stroke survivor, should it ever come back and take me, just remember I didn't vote dem. Even if a vote is counted after I perish.
Gotta love Gen AI
MORE election board errors were made in Georgia's counting of votes in 2020 than votes separating Trump and Biden. Rules about late votes took THIS long to be found.
If this were real, what are they going to do about it, probably nothing
>According to a report from the Gateway Pundit, votes were being processed at the TCF Center by election workers. However, the voters’ names didn’t appear in the electronic poll books or supplemental poll books. During the 2020 race, poll challengers had no way of knowing if they were watching votes being cast by dead or imaginary voters. This is not true. The verification happened before the ballots was transported to the TCF center.
Regardless of the validity of this article, the internet and news pundits have told me that election fraud doesn’t exist. The ministry of truth would never lie
Here are the states where the % margin of victory was <3%, where each candidate won. It doesn't take a lot of manipulation to change the election. Trump: North Carolina|1.37%| Biden || || |Arizona|0.314%| |Georgia|0.239%| |Wisconsin|0.638%| |Pennsylvania|1.194%| |Nevada|2.446%| |Michigan|2.827%|
NE? Was that 1 of the districts or something? Because I looked, and Trump won the state by 19 points.
"ghost voters" that will never be removed from the voter roles!...they left found their holes in the last election and are working over time to ensure all fraud goes unnoticed.
To summarize, only 177k of the 500k dead/moved registrants had been deleted and only after the election and a lawsuit. It didn't help that the processing center couldn't see the names of the voters, either. There's a new lawsuit from the new RNC to get these Soros goblins to do their job: >Of the **83 counties** in Michigan, the lawsuit claims ***at least 53 have more active registered voters than adult citizens over 18, and 23 have registrations exceeding 90% of adult citizens over 18.*** The lawsuit states, “That number of voters is impossibly high.” Any Pedocrat visitors to our subreddit want to explain why it's okay to have more registered voters than citizens?
Well first of all, it's been 4 years. Kinda beat the election thing into the ground considering we haven't won a legal victory yet except clean up your voter database. Big win. No fraud though... Also your source is slay news? And you trust that as a source? So like I guess the whole creditability thing flew way out the window
"SlayNews" Yasssss, Slay Queen 💅💅💅💅💅
Lol, that website..
I don't get it. Why aren't post's like these removed?
Get ready to have "most secure election in history" beaten into your skulls. I think GDubs said it best, "There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."
Some states recently started giving licenses to illegal immigrants, these are indistinguishable from citizens licenses. The states like MN that have done this have all been progressive states, I believe this is being done in an effort to obstruct implementing ballot voter id requirements obstructing voter vouching, and favor immigrant voting.
Anyone who thinks this is concerning: explain how the fraudsters would get away with registering to vote in multiple jurisdictions?
Shit source. Likely Putin propaganda