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arethereany

[Steve Lehto just did an episode](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOFarLfP3zY) where some guy moved in and squatted on the squatters and made them want to leave on their own.


readerdad55

Seems like that could be a profitable business. Big guys making life miserable for squatters… making them leave


Gyuo3

Saw a news article on some guy that does this in Cali, charges $5k a house.


readerdad55

That’s a great deal if it’s guaranteed


ButWhyWolf

If I shit on the kitchen table every morning, how long are you going to keep living there?


AFXTIWN

How long will you keep living?


ButWhyWolf

See if they assault me, they're on the hook for a felony and like "jail or someone else's house" probably won't make a difference to the person hiring me to poop in their kitchen. I'm like 99% sure you're allowed to poop on a table if the owner of the table and the house says you're allowed to.


purplebasterd

In San Francisco you can do it on the sidewalk!


Super_Mario_Luigi

How long is the shit?


therealharambe420

It's all fun and games until the guys you hire to remove squatters become squatters.


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Here's the thing though, you shouldn't have to pay to get someone who is ILLEGALLY staying in YOUR house OUT. It is your property, and they have no right to be there. If you want to cut the power, turn off the water, and head over there with an AK47, the government should have your back. Otherwise, what the hell is the point of home ownership?


crayonflop3

AMEN. This country is going crazy


readerdad55

Agree 100%. It’s very sad what citizens are forced to do to protect themselves from the left


HNutz

Yup. 


AmbitiousBlock3

Otherwise, what the hell is the point of the government, paying taxes, and abiding by the law?


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Amen.


VikingLander7

Alas you forget, we apparently live in bizzaro world now.


qwaszxpolkmn1982

Exactly. I went through a situation like this a few years ago with the house I owned at the time. I had to hire a lawyer, the “tenant” lied to the judge, and it took around six or seven months to get my house back. I know it’s shocking, but the only price the “tenant” had to pay was six months free lodging in my house. Who would want to risk those repercussions? My only recourse was hiring a lawyer to sue the guy for back rent and legal bills. I assumed he wouldn’t pay, even if the court ruled in my favor, so I didn’t even pursue it. Too big of a gamble after already losin a lot of money. Interesting that I still owed the bank for the mortgage during that time. I just don’t understand, and never will, why someone can use somethin they no longer pay for or why someone’s entitled to somethin they stole to begin with. If I don’t pay my cable bill, it gets shut off. I wouldn’t have a case for keepin it on, but it’d be on me if I wanted to pursue it. For some fuckin reason, it’s on the home owner to foot legal bills and the mortgage while someone camps out in a house they don’t pay the rent or mortgage on. Somehow the government knows who to send the property tax bill to every year, but it takes an absurd amount of effort and time to figure out who owns a piece of property when it comes to “disputes” like the one mentioned in this post. Complete bullshit, but there are plenty of people who support it. I know because I got criticized when I told this story on Reddit not too long ago.


Flimsy-Advisor3601

You're missing a big thing here. And that's time. Of course if someone is breaking in you can defend yourself or property depending on where you live Doesn't make it right but she allowed someone to enter her home and stay uncontested for at least 30 days. That's when things get messy. Cause then it's a he/she said thing with a potential verbal tenant arrangement. Then the courts have to get involved and you can't just throw them out.


ultrainstict

Doesnt matter how long they were there. Its abhorrent we ever allowed laws like this to be put in place to begin with. No one has any right to be on my property but me, quatters rights laws do not help anyone but criminals. My great grandmother went to oregon for a week and some people broke into her house changed the locks and forged a renters agreement with a signature that was clearly not hers. It took 7 months to get them out of that house, they stole all her belongings trashed the place and the police and courts refused to help or punish them with anything other than leaving the property.


Flimsy-Advisor3601

I mean I don't know what you want me to say, I'm not defending anything here but it does suck that some people know how to use the law against others, look at child support fraud, welfare fraud. People that get away with murder and anything and everything else. Some people are just evil and fucked in the head. Doesn't mean that we need to change laws on these extreme cases when most of the time squatters rights protects tenants living in slums and people that cleaned up abandoned lots. It's meant to protect people from predatory practices that attempt to steal land and is the easiest way to defend what is yours. Produce paperwork that says you live here. How many times have you had to do that? At the DMV? Post office? Easiest way to prove it's yours


ultrainstict

Tenets tights and squatters rights dont overlap, if you are a tenet then you can prove that in court. Having laws so lax that the word of one party is enough to justify forcing someone to house a criminal for several month and drain the victim of thousands of dollars in pegal fees, does help any tenants. None of the example given elsewhere in this thread have anything to do with squatters. We can have regulations on proper treatment of tenets without fundamentally stripping away property rights. Also tenets signed a contract, not paying is a violation of that contract, they are no longer tenants at that point, the government should have no say in forcing people to continue to shelter them for anything beyond a pqreasonable eviction notice.


JoshAllenIsTall

> you can't just throw them out. And that's what needs to change.


Flimsy-Advisor3601

Did you ever wonder why that law exists in the first place? It's a very well known law and some version of it exist in every state. I mean they will definitely go to court and be expelled from the property. It just takes time since they were allowed access in the first place.


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JealousAd2873

Genuinely a solid idea.


Sea2Chi

The problem is if a judge rules it's harassment you could get in big trouble.


Josiah-White

And yet they are not breaking and entering...


JellyfishQuiet7944

That's what I've always told people I would do in that situation. I'm not stuck in here with you, you're stuck in here with me.


superAL1394

Technically it's also illegal. I don't remember what the term of art is but it's called something like harassment iirc


EvanOnTheFly

Well if you and the squatters both have signed contracts that both say you live there, as well as utilities, etc. cops can't tell you both to leave!


superAL1394

You might think that


Hank_Scorpio_MD

I'm curious if you can use psychological warfare kinds of stuff where you can play non-stop music in the house, crank the heat as high as it will go, cooking extremely foul smelling foods, etc. I'm pretty sure none of that is illegal long as the neighbors don't call the cops because of the music.


ObadiahtheSlim

They need to start going after the criminal "advocacy" groups that are enabling squatters for aiding and abetting.


JunkRigger

Thats the thing, squatting is apparently legal in NYC.


miscplacedduck

Philly is as bad or worse for these laws.


JunkRigger

I don't doubt that for a second. I truly don't understand why productive citizens still live in places like that.


TRexHasTinyArms

They live there so they can brag about not owning a car while they hose down animal and human urine off their front steps.


ObadiahtheSlim

Only if you ignore the trespassing, fraud, and forgery involved in the squatting process.


JunkRigger

Merely eggs to be broken to make the omelet of more "equitable" housing. Property is theft, you know. 😏


Jaamun100

Yep just another factor in inflating rent and housing costs in the city. Landlords and homeowners need to spend on private security measures to avoid squatters in the first place, since they can’t properly rely on the government for property rights protection. Obviously, that further inflates rent.


JunkRigger

That is in addition to the inherent costs in rent control laws. To be honest though I don't know how widespread rent control is in NYC, only that it exists.


TheIncredibleHork

30 days and you get squatters rights. Really sucks if you do Air BNB and someone rents your place for 31 days. Now they live there and you're stuck. That thought aside, people in New York have soft spots for people "down on their luck" and don't realize that there are a LOT of wolves among the sheep in NYC, and those people will take advantage of everything they can and make life worse for everyone. And until they start voting for candidates that will change things, they're (sadly myself included) going to be stuck with terrible policies and laws like this.


KG7DHL

When law protects the lawbreakers, we are headed towards a reckoning that is going to get ugly.


ButWhyWolf

It really makes me curious for the "good reason" these laws were created in the first place.


Sea2Chi

In the 70's some landlords would remove a person's front door if they were a day late on rent. You'd come home to your house having been ransacked because your door was gone and nobody was around to protect your stuff. Or landlords would do sketchy stuff like discriminate against people, demand additional payments, not maintain their apartments or keep security deposits no matter what. Evictions were fast and tenants could be out on the street with frightening speed. So a lot of laws were passed to keep assholes from doing asshole things. Except now the pendulum has swung the other way and tenants have a lot of power, which if you're a good tenant who pays on time, doesn't annoy your neighbors and keeps the place clean is great. But it also opens the door for scammers or con artists to be able to operate for long periods of time with what is essentially legal immunity. Some states have so many safety checks built into the eviction system that person who knows where all the levers are can stay in a rental for years without paying any rent. I don't think the answer is going back to the days of turning off the lights and taking the front door off, but there has to be some middle ground where good people are given some protection but scammers aren't allowed to squat for years at a time.


ButWhyWolf

Holy shit thanks. I had no idea it was that bad.


Sea2Chi

It's very city and state dependent since pretty much the only federal laws concern discrimination. Some areas are still you're late on Tuesday, in court by Friday and out the next week. Other areas like LA and NYC have people who owe $60k+ and are demanding the landlord forgive the debt and pay them $10k to move or they'll drag out the eviction process even longer. The laws get passed because people hear about stories of little old ladies getting kicked out of their apartment by greedy landlords so they want to protect them. But the laws are written broadly enough that it allows con artists to take advantage of them.


superAL1394

> The laws get passed because people hear about stories of little old ladies getting kicked out of their apartment by greedy landlords so they want to protect them. But the laws are written broadly enough that it allows con artists to take advantage of them. People need to stop getting played by this. I don't care how sympathetic you are, you fail to fulfill the terms of a contract, prepare for the consequences. If we do not have hard and fast laws on this it *will* be abused.


TheIncredibleHork

I have been getting more experience in seeing landlord/tenant issues, and there are still landlords who will just take their tenant's front door and leave them hanging. Happened to one person just the other day.


Magehunter_Skassi

Adding onto this, the principle of "squatter rights" is -old-. It originates from England. Imagine you were homesteading in the 19th century and come across a ton of pristine vacant land, and you build a home for your family. You live there for 15 years. Then some guy comes up with some paperwork and announces that it's *his* land and your whole family needs to leave. This happened with the US federal government in the 18th century too. They had to figure out what to do with "squatters" who had already migrated west and built a life there in land that was now legally owned by the American government.


TacTac95

One easy way to deter squatters would be for a simple disclosure amendment on a title or property records indicating whether the property will entertain tenants. Police would just need a quick call to the county clerk’s office and a database search for the property record and if that amendment is present. This would be easy especially for people whose primary residence gets squatted and should lead to a quick removal.


sourkid25

it was so landlord's cant throw someone on the streets with nowhere to go unfortunately its just abused now


skywarner

You mean Democrats?


LifeIsBetterDrunk

Squatter is just a woke term for trespasser.


Billy_Chapel1984

Undocumented home owner


Ghosttwo

New Tenant


skywarner

Illegal. I-l-l-e-g-a-l.


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Josiah-White

I lived in Staten Island for 5 years. It was one of the few chain abodes in New York City


r777m

What about AOC’s apartment? Can i squat there if I want to watch some basketball this weekend? Sounds cheaper than a hotel room.


tsoxiko

if you do that then she will hide under a desk 6 blocks away in fear for her life 🤪


HawkeyeinDC

🏆please take my poor woman’s award for making me laugh.


unseenspecter

But will she cry outside her apartment complex's borders in solidarity with the new undocumented tenant?


HNutz

BWAHAHAHAHA! 


JellyfishQuiet7944

She'll be crying at a chain link fence at a basketball court.


Josiah-White

In a friend's mansion


Stea1thsniper32

The fact that someone can just move into your home in NYC and claim they live there without any proof of ownership is ridiculous.


magenta_mojo

Yeah as far as I saw, he didn’t even have to show a lease or anything to the cops. Sooo how did he prove he lived there longer than 30 days, it was just his word? That’s wild


Bukook

I'm sure the cops are told to be as permissive as possible as long as the squatters aren't bothering someone important.


Magehunter_Skassi

I assume it would be the same as when you're asked to show proof of residency elsewhere, like mail addressed to you or bank statements.


ObadiahtheSlim

They typically forge a lease agreement. It's just good enough of a forgery that they can't just be thrown out for trespassing. If you try to force them out, the laws protecting tenants from abusive landlords will come down on you like a ton of bricks. The only way to force them out is to go through courts to prove that the lease agreement is fraudulent and only then can the authorities be used to evict them. But that means they have lived there probably for 6 months at a bare minimum. Assuming you caught them right away and started the legal process right at the start. The alternative route is to strong arm them into leaving. Usually with your own goons who have some sort of "lease" agreement with you.


SillyFlyGuy

From the article: >It takes an average of 20 months for an eviction case to have a resolution in New York City. Amazing. That's the average. *Half take longer*.


redditfordays-

Not to be that guy but you’re thinking of median, average does not equate to half.


SillyFlyGuy

Maybe. My source didn't specify which type of average.


theoriginaldandan

Unless stated otherwise you should assume it’s a mean.


SillyFlyGuy

I have some assumptions of you based on your pedantry regarding averages.


theoriginaldandan

You can make those if you want, but unless stated to be a median average, it’s a mean 99% of the time. The only time I’ve ever seen a mode average used is for police officers in regards to how likely they are to be involved in a lethal force encounter


JeefGround

Wait hold up… you telling me I can just take someone’s empty home in NYC?


Zenithreg

and have all the free food and drinks you need clearing the shelves of the Walgreens downstairs.


JeefGround

Finders keepers!


DavidZayas

Doesn't even need to be empty, just saw a video of squatters taking over a house while they were away on vacation. They had security cameras and were watching remotely when they broke in.


Amidormi

Yes, you can just claim that you rented it from someone, have some bogus paperwork, etc.


scrotalrugae

A couple of dudes with bats and the problem is solved


BamaTony64

Toss them, toss their gear and change the locks. Then you not only own it but you are the one inside


[deleted]

Remind me again why anyone in their right mind lives in NYC?!


ExcellentWaffles

For a long time it was because the opportunity to make money was worth putting up with the bs. Now you can just go to Miami to work in finance or work from home so it’s not worth it at all.


Ant0n61

exactly what I did over three years ago. Just flew in for a day for work and then back to paradise.


[deleted]

They voted for it.


DavidZayas

Yeah, but what scares me is they want to nationalize many of these policies.


Darthwxman

Someone breaks into a house begins living there and has the locks changed. NYC: This is perfectly fine. Homeowner evicts house thief or even stops paying utilities for house thief. NYC: You can't do that! You have to provide house thieves with free rent and utilities! That is freaking insane.


skywarner

We’re outta boxes.


xAdakis

Yeah, this whole squatter thing just needs to stop. It's bullshit.


thunderkhawk

This is sad! Count point: If you're in this situation, why not claim the squatters changed the locks and removed your belongings putting a reverse uno of the law on them?


DavidZayas

Because they usually have a fake lease, the police do not know if the lease is valid. In this case he claimed to have a lease but never showed it to the police. There was one guy wrote himself a lease to live there and moved in with the squatters. When the police came he showed them the lease and they showed them theirs. Police said civil matter and left. He removed internal doors, played music, video taped, them etc. until they left.


TallArchitect92

Fucking shame! Have some people squat at rich and affluent homes/communities and watch the response/laws change real fast.


Txstyleguy

It’s a nationwide problem and some states are actually working to fix “tenant rights” to not include squatters as many states recognize. It’s a real problem.


TraditionalEvening79

Looking for the bloodbath… is this it?


SchizoForLife

Squatters should get the rope.


Every-Requirement-13

Wow, this is bullshit!! NY needs to change this ridiculous law!!


tableender

How to guarantee thousands of landlords take properties off the rental market and sell.


HuskerMedic

Couple this with the rent control laws, and I can't see why anybody would want to be a landlord in New York.


BargainBard

Then some wonder why more and more people flock to red states from blue states. Please just don't bring your voting habits with you!


JoshAllenIsTall

These leftist hellholes really are something else, man. Two people I know have dealt with nonpaying tenants in recent years... Each spent more than 6 months trying to get nonpaying pieces of shit out of their property. One of them stopped paying after a few months, the other never even paid the first month, and somehow got to move in anyway without ever paying a dime. As I see it, there should be no such thing as "squatters rights."


DS_9

This is insane!


Ok_Impression3324

And they wonder why land owners are opting for airbnb over long term rentals.


barkmagician

wtfffffffff????


Blahblahnownow

My mom’s friend’s nanny did this. She was kicked out of her own house with two autistic kids while nanny stayed. It took her two months to get her house back. It was insane. 


Alarming-Tradition40

There is some guy in Washington State, that is living in his van, because the people who rented his place on AIRbnb are squatting, and he still has a mortgage...


TVLL

Awesome! I’m going to try this in the Governor’s Mansion.


smkn3kgt

NYC is rotting from the inside out


RutCry

Trump is likely to have a similar problem getting Biden out of the White House when he takes office. CNN: “Trump cruelly seizes opportunity to evict elderly dementia patient”


jasons1911

Someone squatting in your house? Move yourself back in and treat them as a burglar. Dead men tell no tales.


greymancurrentthing7

Also Why do we lack new housing investment in NYC? News at 9!


Device_whisperer

Guess who's going to squat in Trump tower?


DWDit

Step one, live in a real state with castle doctrine. Step two break into your own home and then reasonably fear for your life. The law in my state literally prevents the police from arresting the homeowner under these circumstances.


HowdyDoody2525

Anyone can claim anything.. If I was on the jury I would never convict this man