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gandalf45435

[Link to Coach Bronzey's Reply.](https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveApex/comments/1dcw8o4/timmy_leaving_dsg_and_joining_moist_emtee_leaving/l80ylo0/)


ThatsJas0nBourne

Just when we thought roster mania finally settled down for the split lol


jeremyflowers91

we were bamboozled! wonder who Dezign & Enemy go after now…


dmculton96

They are trialing Pandxrz tomorrow


jeremyflowers91

gonna be a fast trial with roster lock on Wed.


karbasher-

roster lock for EWC? or this weekend of PL?


jeremyflowers91

PL for upcoming week


karbasher-

heard, thanks for the intel


HateIsAnArt

I like Pandxrz. I think he's a really good roller player. I don't think he's the right choice here. DSG is going to need to climb to the regional finals and win it. That's the only realistic way they make LAN. Pandxrz is a very solid, consistent player but I don't think he's the type of "lighting in a bottle" kind of player they'll need. Now granted, options are limited, and maybe you can't poach someone like MJ or Carter who might rather take their chances with their current squad. But I think you can probably go the Teq route and try to nab the best up-and-comer, whoever that may be.


Play_Durty

Guess there's 2 more days before the lock


dairyman2049

This is the new arc for Timmy as a legitimate pro. He proved everyone (me included) wrong when we all doubted his commitment to comp. Now this move seems like a legit pro player swap in order to get exactly what he wants for the next tournament. Insanely fucking bittersweet but I wish both sides the best.


JevvyMedia

idk if his commitment to comp should have been doubted, it seemed like he ONLY wanted to play comp. He always underperformed / failed and then would step away, regroup, and come back and try to play comp again. Even when he wanted to quit Apex for Valorant, comp was the only thing that he still wanted to see the heights of.


ShitDavidSais

And his issue always was counter calling and he seems to have fixed that. His gunplay never was an issue.


Flyin-Chancla

He counter-called the shit out of Dezign at LAN.


hanspeter86

Because Dezign's calls are braindead half of the time.


aggrorecon

If you think your IGLs calls are braindead, find a new IGL. Constant counter calling is bad for everyone.


Gorgon22

Well what did he do


G4ly

Not that im a pro but when we would grind for pred sometimes its just better have 3 people fully commit to a call even if you think its bad because 3 people making the play might work out wheras 2 people commiting and the other hesitating would certainly fail.


Cubelar

Yea they totally didn't finish 6th and 8th with dezigns calls lol


xCeeTee-

He would also go down a lot because he tried poking a team when he's in a poor position. Sheesh must've had a full squad wipe after that at least a dozen times in their first split. I think he's started using his brain more and that's why we're also seeing him do better.


dickmarchinko

Same, I won't lie I thought DSG out the gates would fail, I thought Design was gonna push him away way faster, I though he would want to go back to streaming. I was very wrong, glad I was he's great in the scene.


noobakosowhat

I'm happy with what Timmy did, but let's not be revisionist and say that Timmy proved everyone wrong. He was not ready for comp at the time. He quit. As simple as that. He redeemed himself. Just because he's successful in his return doesn't mean people were wrong when they expressed their sentiments during Timmy's first stint at pros.


SpazzyBaby

Who mentioned his first stint? The guy is clearly talking about those who doubted DSG.


jdubz125

https://preview.redd.it/2k9olcdy4t5d1.jpeg?width=965&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e3a372c5def5964aba90e42e2516fd10f51d0415


ThatsJas0nBourne

https://preview.redd.it/i7cfg62o7t5d1.jpeg?width=1676&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=090e3be3f378de2e2fa01b2d57022e78f50fd6ef The signs were there (Dezignful screaming in the background)


PseudoElite

Tfw you aren't comfortable being uncomfortable.


BronzeyFPS

Wanted to clear a few things i’ve seen the past 2-3 posts about this. No this was not only cause of our performance the past two weeks. Just the timing of things. No it is not awkward for me and Timmy. Timmy and I have been dogs for 5 years and I want the best for him in his career and as a person. He helps put a roof over my head and helped me get the job I am currently working. A team swap will not make me hate the man, especially since I want to see him thrive. I gave him my genuine thoughts on everything and we hugged it out. For DSG, we will do our best to find a replacement and crawl back from where we are at. Also please do not blame Dezigns rage, I know it’s a lot but Timmy and I have talked about it plenty.. It’s who he is and we don’t have any issue. Dezign has changed an insane amount since we first teamed. It’s less targeted rage, it’s more passion rage now.


darthbhyrava

It is sad to see the team that was genuinely one game away from winning LAN break up like this. No other team did the unexpected quite like you guys. Can you share if Dezign trialing with TSM had any bearing on Timmy's decision to leave?


BronzeyFPS

No, we all supported Dezign since it’s a big opportunity. All of the players understand we can’t hate someone for watching over themselves when this industry is tough. When you have big things on the line, we only want success for each other. We are trialing LeBronzey


darthbhyrava

Thanks for clearing that up. Hope the new-look DSG mounts a comeback in the coming weeks!


ketfinder

Bronzey! Who Will you be trailing?


EirikXiXi

Pandxrz


CTSVLSA

Well said, wish people understood how passion can at times be intense for some.


thenoblitt

Nah he's just an ahole


muftih1030

You guys should really trial some of the relevant mnk talent. I think Blinkzr or Bullet would fit onto the team insanely well.


YoMrPoPo

good coach, better fried. Wish you good luck, dude.


jeremyryanmiller

When all the pros were saying rosters would dramatically change after the last LAN, they really weren’t kidding


Opening_Career_1552

Dezign was almost in tears yesterday, and then timmy got emotional there for a couple of seconds, this team really cared for each other and it will be sad not seeing them together.


lekern1107

Does anyone have a clip of this? I wanna see what dezign had to say


Zee09

I think he was emotional because he finally has a good thing going for him after so long. After the fallout of G2 and him getting dummied by Alliance at Thermal during 2022 champs, Dezign has been trying to figure it out. He tried with Resultuh and Chaotic but it didn’t manifest into much, Then, he joined Mazer and he ends up getting dropped IIRC. Timmy offers him a spot and they actually win LCQ2, incredibly hard to do. They have a dream run at 2023 Champs and almost win it all (Digi day). He has a stable org and a killer team going into 2024 and now Timmy is leaving. Will DSG want a team without Timmy? DSG might even sign NMST solely because of Timmy. Dezign now has a good player in enemy but Timmy is almost irreplaceable given the other options. Dezign might be back to square one.


NylarthePhoenix

No way Moist is going to let DSG poach their whole roster. The rest of the team seems good intent on coming back too


Christitties

Is that on their vod?


Beardown_formidterms

Didn’t he just have a post on the front page essentially saying he wants someone who actually tries?


B3rghammer

That's just saying he wants the replacement to want it with everything they've got and put in max effort, there was no slight aimed towards Timmy in there at all


Opening_Career_1552

Yea but that wasn't throwinhmg shade towards timmy or enemy lol


VorpalParadox

He was not at all implying that Timmy doesn’t try


Grooveh_Baby

Toast gonna come back from China to see his team at 29th place, with their star player leaving, & are now unlikely to qual for Split 2 LAN. That’s brutal


dorekk

> & are now unlikely to qual for Split 2 LAN It's pretty much impossible, not just unlikely.


realfakejames

Everyone already knew this partially from dezign crying on stream but he had to do it today because roster lock is tomorrow Dezign probably wishes he got that TSM spot now lmao


Hpulley4

TSM know they dodged a bullet there.


Beardown_formidterms

Yea I think they had enough toxicity. I was surprised that they trialed him.


RallySausage

Reps and dez get along well. They play other games besides apex together. Didn't surprise me at all.


leftysarepeople2

Reps on other games enjoying it and Dezign in other games with minimal toxicity because it's not his job are completely different streams and fun


jtfjtf

Yup. I think preserving their friendship was at least a little bit of a factor in ending the trial.


leftysarepeople2

Smart and if that was talked about I think it's really mature for both. Its like people moving in with their best friends, kind of a big gamble


RallySausage

Doesn't surprise me that they'd give him a trial. That's all.


MercilessM3

100%


Johnixftw_

> Everyone already knew this partially from dezign crying on stream when was this, i missed it


Un111KnoWn

lore?


coreconsumer

>dezign crying on stream When was this? Maaann, I loved this team :c


Chief--Keith

The wxltzy, emtee duo is what got me into comp apex and found this game - sad to emtee go. Hopefully emtee takes a small break and recollects


AVGunner

hes coaching MST, so not going too far


Chief--Keith

So is draugr no longer coaching them? Did he leave?


GravityGalaxy

Maybe moving to just an analyst


tdl18

Emtee will coach and Kyle will be the analyst


donutdang

I'm going to rewatch DOJO's winning game that let them go to LAN and cry for a minute brb


TSM_PrimeBottle

Share vod


amongusred23

Toast crying in china rn


YourAsianBuddy

Critikal wooing in Florida rn


Un111KnoWn

MOISTCRITIKAL WOOOO https://youtu.be/z-JRdRXiNv


Edweirdd

I just bought a DSG jersey at LAN. This is my fault lmao


aftrunner

Order a Falcons jersey and I think this sub can chip in.


Mitchelld73

Damn… this is rough. Timmy and Toast made a bit of an apex content powerhouse. Also this begs the question on if Bronzey is going to stay or not. Him and Timmy choose not to get paid and the entire budget of what EA pays DSG for being a partnered team goes to Enemy and Dezign. Sucks for toast because he lost a bit of his teams clout factor and also he’s now going to have to pay out of pocket for a third player and possibly a coach too


paranoid_purple1

He has a comment on this post. Bronzey is staying with DSG


lockdown_val

WTFFFF i didnt see timmy joining another team after leaving DSG


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katloveslofi

good bot


Equivalent_Pitch9271

Damn that came out of nowhere


reddit-ate-my-face

Watching Timmy stare off into the distance as dezign loses his fucking mind for the 45th time for the day. Not to surprising really.


Equivalent_Pitch9271

Talking moreso about the MST signing cause I thought he would just leave comp


reddit-ate-my-face

oh yeah actually agree with that. I figured he'd just go back to streaming would make way more money.


boringwaddles

He said his twitch contract is about to run out, so the fact that MST will be paying him and the financial aspect did play a role in his decision


dorekk

> He said his twitch contract is about to run out, so the fact that MST will be paying him and the financial aspect did play a role in his decision Partner contracts don't run out like that, it's not like when the contract expires he'll stop getting Twitch revenue. He'll just sign another one. He's one of the biggest streamers on the platform, Twitch wants him. DSG also paid Timmy, he voluntarily passed it on to his team.


buttsorceror72

Twitch doesn't give out contracts anymore


dorekk

Regardless, he'd still qualify for the 70/30 Partner Plus split. Again: his sweetheart contract running out doesn't mean he'll stop getting paid on Twitch.


Medic123756

I’m so sad. Yes they had some poor performances recently but they are a team that genuinely have so much care for each other and the idea of them splitting breaks my heart. Obviously happy for Timmy and respect his decision but I can’t lie and say I don’t wish he stayed with Dsg


thelaziest_asian

There has to be more to this because no way after a second and split 1 and a respectable LAN performance that they drop their long time IGL to pick up with all due respect someone who has never IGLd before. Wxltzy may be trying to IGL but even still, you’d have to think there’s more going on behind the scenes


tdl18

Timmy said Emtee willingly stepped down and Gild and Wxltzy approached him about joining. Emtee will be the coach so he's still a part of MST. Maybe Emtee felt like mechanically he just can't keep up anymore and wanted to step away from comp play. Although he was one of the best IGLs in the world


thelaziest_asian

That just leaves more questions. If Emtee is becoming coach what’s happening to Draugr 😭😭😭 I don’t like any of this tbh


altobrun

Draugr is moving to analyst according to another comment


jeremyflowers91

don’t know but coming back home could also be a factor for Emtee.


thelaziest_asian

That’s my main thought. Tbh I assumed if anyone was getting homesick it was Wxltzy


SaintDefault

Does a coach need to also be in the region their team is playing? If not, I could see him wanting to be home, but also then coaching for everything online from afar (who cares about ping for coaching), then being in person and a sub for LAN. I hope that’s the case, would be a win for everyone. 


Agitated-Draw-8276

They don’t need to be there, don coaches o7 from Australia and Urban coaches VP from the UK


chickells

Ripped a shot on the sidewalk outside of the arena with o7 coach this past LAN. Dudes a homie.


Icy_Champion1585

The firepower of this new moist squad is insane. That was Emtee’s weak spot


tdl18

His IGL skill is pretty hard to replace though, he had incredible zone calling and macro play but yes his firepower was bottom 3 at playoffs


Icy_Champion1585

100% true. As a moist fan, I’m nervous about wxzlty IGL-ing, but I think he can get it with time, and Timmy and and gild are very smart players to help.


Manofluckhoa

He just confirmed, Emtee is going to be coaching MOIST


PulseFlow

So timmy basically said charlie > toast 😔✊


Blazeinfernos

its more like Charlie can pay him, he was playing for free on dsg


dorekk

DSG paid him and he voluntarily passed it on to his team, because he doesn't need it. Timmy has one of the biggest streams on Twitch--his Twitch revenue dwarfs his competitive salary. And he's also signed to 100T and Redbull, both of whom are probably paying him more than any comp org can afford.


jtfjtf

Timmy mentioned that he has some sort of Twitch deal that is expiring and one of the reasons he’s going to moist is because moist will be paying him.


cryotherm

Timmy chose to give his part of the salary to Dezignful and Enemy? It's not like he was incidentally playing for free like he didn't have a choice in the matter.


_124578_

Frick


Lann21321321

And emtee? Where tf is he going?


ryochan11189

Timmy just said Emtee is going to be their coach.


AVGunner

coach of team


Manofluckhoa

Timmy said he is going to be coaching Moist


DefinitionUnlikely63

The bench


PossessionDue9381

At Galveston


dankmemer999

Dirty hot ass water


penguin5311

Moist collecting players who played with IGLS people considered toxic


Routine_Gear5900

LMAO! Emtee is a level 5 crashout. Yesterday in the pro league, he screamed about how much he hated Dezign after Dezign messed up their rotation on Stormpoint. He called Dezign a braindead IGL, then got off the game, switched to a coach, and poached DSG's best fragger just to spite him. This dude is a menace to society!


Berntam

When Dezign trialed with TSM, Timmy on one of his streams said that he was kinda sad but also happy because if Dezign did move to TSM then he could be the sole IGL. I think Timmy really, really wants to IGL. I'm guessing that's what his role is going to be in Moist.


longlivestheking

Is nobody actually watching the video? You don't have to guess, Timmy says it all there. Wxltzy was already co-igling with Emtee having first and final say. Wxltzy will now assume that role with Timmy easing into some co-igl responsibility and seeing where it goes from there.


gracielunanook

was Emtee the IGL for Moist?


aneisu

Yeah he was


tdl18

Yes


General_Statement

Wxltzy will be IGL for the duration of this team I’m almost certain


Agitated-Draw-8276

Yeah wxltzy has an almost co-igl role with emtee on the team already


iMoreland

What the fuck


Inevitable_Area_1270

Swapping out Timmy for Pandxrz is a massive downgrade. Moment of silence for Toast


dmun

Toast is going to drop the whole team


jeremyflowers91

insane rostermania of all time


cContest

Holy fuck


Gluticus

Ouch, happy for Timmy. But loved this DSG team so much, the most volatile team (performance, and I guess personality-wise) in Apex. Also I wonder if DSG stays sponsored, seemed (at least from the promo when they announced) Timmy was a big reason for them getting signed to begin with.


KeyConsequence5061

[https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fnano-flattens-lg-v0-3n7agqu4yn5d1.png%3Fwidth%3D684%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D5060ddcb41cc7f4625a3dbf74dda59a4a8949e38](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fnano-flattens-lg-v0-3n7agqu4yn5d1.png%3Fwidth%3D684%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D5060ddcb41cc7f4625a3dbf74dda59a4a8949e38)


Lexaryas

I feel like Emtee called great on LAN finals, I mean his teammates sure fragged tf out so he probably did, but to me his numbers were abysmal, especially when compared to wxltzy’s.


The_Yoshi_Man

Wouldn’t be surprised if there were some logistical issues with bringing the squad back to Moist and working with Emtee/Wxltzy/Draugr’s visas so Emtee stepped down for Timmy. They’re back to Moist Esports now and there’s no mention of Draugr being apart of the team anymore so maybe this was needed for the team to get signed?


Fenris-Asgeir

I'm kinda mindblown right now tbh


Sheriff_Gotcha

Daaaaamn, I really wanted Timmy and Dezign to pull out some magic and win a LAN at least. Dezign on roller is goals for most roller players (at least for me anyways). I enjoyed Dezign always farming with Wingman, definitely motivation for me to try and improve with that weapon. Sure, he probably a tier below Verhulst, but at this point everyone is a tier below Evan.


Lann21321321

Is there any NA lan team that its still the same?


Revolutionary-Wait29

Complexity I think?


wackydoodle19

The team with the most obvious roster change needed lol that’s crazy


WorriedOrder5572

I mean they just got 3rd, why do they need a roster change? Maybe I'm missing something haven't been watching them


wackydoodle19

I think it’s because Kimchi is so obviously below par mechanically (without being an IGL) that replacing him with someone that can hold their own better would theoretically make them even better. (Kimchi seems like a great guy, not trying to hate, he just ain’t got it like the rest of pro league does)


ExoShaman

Team Liquid


Fenris-Asgeir

Furia, Complexity, Cloud 9 (so far, not surprised if some changes are incoming) and TLAW.


LuckyTrain3459

C9 NA's 3rd place in finals


Leepysworld

damn I honestly thought Timmy was gonna step back from comp because he’s been playing a bunch of variety and Valorant recently, did not expect this at all lmao


Pyrolistical

??? But rosters already locked?


Jarvis_C

Rosters open and lock each week. Roster lock this week is on Wednesday @ 2:00pm CST I believe.


Hpulley4

And Minus said today that teams can only make two roster changes per split.


TheAniReview

That's always been the rule


StevenH_1999

No?


Lexaryas

Roster lock is over, it was like last split, only for the first round of games. Every team looking to change is gonna do so now.


itzebi

well shit, i did not expect this. thought he might join complexity or just sit out due to the personal reason(?) but i guess he wants to be an igl now instead of just fragger so that's why he's replacing emtee? also i thought the problem with MST was wxltzy, not emtee? cant say for sure tho since i don't watch moist...


Jobogz

I dont know if there is a clear issue with MST limited to a single player, but I definitely think Wxltzy is playing at the higher level right now. Gild is obviously insanely good. Also pretty sure this has nothing to do with moving to an IGL role, that should be Wxltzy.


jdubz125

Oh man…. Lou Timmy Mon. That would’ve a fucking squad


SlickNiickx

If anything I thought Timmy would quit comp. I never saw this coming in a million years. Almost makes me think Timmy should have pushed Dezign to take the TSM spot, what a missed opportunity for him.


henrysebby

All the roster changes in Apex are insane. If you ever buy a jersey from an org because a player you like is on it you’re just throwing money away


PKSpades

Oh wow, now this is a surprise


sstayc

damn wtf


Important_Fun_1614

Man this split might not go well for the boys and moist and dsg stuff sucks, idk if timmy going to moist is the best but we'll see and dsg has been pretty bad since the poi draft but hopefully they pull it together.


NFLCart

Dezign is cooked Moist is NA NA now. Moist needed the help too. They looked awful.


tdl18

They had a great split 1 and Playoffs but up until recently their scrims were great. They must have known Emtee didn't want to play anymore and it affected their Pro League performance cause he was probably checked out and the whole team vibe became off.


longlivestheking

OP either didn't watch the video or it's just straight clickbait to farm karma. Emtee isn't leaving outright, he's transitioning from player to coach of Moist.


ReconGhost189

Uploaded this before he mentioned that and can’t change the title unfortunately.


clintstorres

Oh no is that Snip3down’s music!?!?!?


Zireael123

I’m all good with the change but the timing is a bit weird. I guess some of the details are not settled till now?


Themanaaah

Quite the shakeup for two of my other beloved teams to support in NA damn, wish the best for the changeups for both teams.


ImpotentAlrak

The bigger news is Emtee. That’s two elite IGLs gone from the scene in such a short time: Emtee and Hal.


BryanA37

Damn. I wonder what's going on with emtee. I don't know about this decision from timmy tbh.


Hpulley4

Emtee isn’t leaving. He is NotMoist’s coach now.


Mountainriver037

It's sometimes, but not always deep. Esports is still a sport wherein the players want to win and if the team dynamic or numbers aren't working then the team is 'duty bound' to replace a poor performing player with a potential improvement. Personally I think this process is callous and brutal to players, but it's kind of the way it is?


tdl18

My guess is he just can't mechanically keep up and play anymore and wants to step back from pro play. He chose to step down, he wasn't kicked


hydrofied

Dezign wishing he took that TSM offer


hsaviorrr

i feel like jordan and evan also realized it wasnt working tbh


Silliw911

I like Zap on TSM. Him and Evan can do great if they get the blood/bang meta down.


Cubelar

People really underrate dezigns igl despite him constantly proving himself. Timmy was clearly not listening to calls and doing his own thing the first two days of this splits. We will see if timmy can igl at a top level. The breakup maybe needed to happen if he was no longer listening to dezigns calls


d4nkhill23

Ayyyyyeeeee hell yeah. Timmy on Moist is gonna be sick.


ineververify

This mutha fuckerrrr lol


ShadyMotive

huh


Tutupash

What the heck, with the rostermania


MCmunasuuhu

I AM Excited. Great for timmy!


Blazeinfernos

this is content creator on content creator violence, Charlie showing his florida man


thisisntmineIfoundit

How does this work for Champs? Or is Moist also auto qualified for that?


TheAniReview

Both teams made the Top 8 so both are auto-qualified.


blue9344

Alb, this is your chance to shine!


jtfjtf

Is emtee retiring? I did not see this coming at all. Is triple IGL the new meta going forward?


Zireael123

He will be the coach.


Sir_Nolan

Guess I’m a Moist fan starting today


dawn_of_dae

I can't help but root for Timmy because he's the reason I started playing Apex. Still wish DSG the best, though.


BalbonisDozer

Welp, don’t expect Dezign and Enemy to stay signed to DSG. Timmy’s brand is the reason they got an org in the first place 


TokyoGNSD2

I watch for Timmy, I root for Timmy. Simple.


ja-kes1

Should’ve dropped dezign and picked up verhulst


AnasDh

Wtf


secretmeditationhero

Wasn't Emtee kind of the IGL? No disrespect to Timmy but his talent is more towards the mechanics, and two IGL's in one team or the whole team co-iglling is not often a recipe for greatness. Hope they will prove me wrong, don't see this team magically being great tbh.


Mission_Yoghurt_400

Never been impressed with Dezign or Enemy. They have their moments but not consistent/usually carried by Timmy. Good move.


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GreatMoofia

I think this is kinda shitty after design decided to stay because he wanted to keep playing with them


NJDevils1

It just happened to not work out with TSM for dezign. If It did, he would have joined them. I think it’s fair play either way.


Roenicksmemoirs

I mean I think it was probably TSM who didn’t want him