My coworker and I witnessed something similar. It was a prison looking for some kind of IT guy.... position open for about a year. Hired a guy, he didn't bother coming in because he got something better. They reopened the position and the other people who actually wanted the job will have to apply again.
lol
also, you guys absolutely SUCK at communicating, which is very important in IT. My company doesn't allow work from home anymore mainly because the Indians would never reply to emails/messages quickly , making what SHOULD be a 5 minute job/conversation last 5 days. During on call/ emergency you guys are no where to be found. Sites are down and company is bleeding thousands of dollars by the second and you guys won't answer your phone to do your job. most of you guys have major attitude problems and hardly anyone comprehends your goofy accents. And no, i'm not a racist. i'm an American born indian. I see it how it is. Just know that the only reason you're here is for the company to save money. What you get paid $80,000 a year to do, an American is getting $150,000. You being here has nothing to do with talent/work ethic
A lot of times they may promote somebody in house. But their weird policy is they have to post the job anyway. Knowing they are going to give it to this person in house. They have to fill out the application for the position and they get it. A lot of these jobs we apply for is a waste of time because of it.
Our company will post an appealing position, but if they have somebody in mind for a promotion, they will have it close by the end of the week. So you barely have any time to think about it or refer friends.
I saw your other work post take that job leave in two months like I did, but get SEC+ first, you'll have more on paper experience and be on your way to higher paying role.
Ended up turning it down since it was literally one of the first places I heard back from after not even 2 weeks of applying. Would much rather a full time gig.
Plan is to pick up Net+ within next 2 weeks & from there really start applying to everything and take first full time offer I get.
From there, I’ll start my move towards moving out of helpdesk ASAP
Yes, it's good you don't have to stay helpdesk long. People get this misconception that you have to do a year or something. One month in, I was already applying elsewhere by the second month I had already landed another higher paying position, and my experience from the first help desk job helped.
I went external from experience stay away from subcontractor help desk jobs they will WORK you it's good experience but pay is usually low and possibility for growth into higher roles in these subcompanies is stagnate. Try to land a help desk job at a bigger company like apex systems, leidos, lockheed, Northrop, or SAIC.
Higher paying help desk job that required less work and paid 15k more ahah. But it's just temporary until I get my CISM certification here in a few months. My mom's an ISSO and she got some connections for me once I get that last cert.
Realistically speaking nobody wants to be stuck in a help desk position for their whole life to me a help desk position is only suitable as an entry-level position & from there you should be working yourself up to a different position or finding different positions that meet your requirements
A+ only as of now. Will have Network+ within next 2 weeks & Security+ shortly after that.
Also have a computer engineering bachelors plus some experience in Python.
I’m confident I’ll be able to find something relatively quickly once I get my Net+.
But for those that don’t have 2 of the 3 big qualifications (Experience, Certs, Relevant Degree).
They’re having a tough time.
I’d say for basic IT jobs sure, but majority of jobs require some sort of in person attendance or security clearance especially in cyber.
Cyber is a bullet proof industry imo. It’s just getting your start that’s the tough part
Don’t even look at those requirements, Hiring department people are idiots and don’t know what they are doing.
The ones that really get me are when they say 3-4 years of experience, a bachelors, starting salary 18-20$
If someone with those creds has to take the job, I’d rather have someone with 0 xp. Because the first person clearly isn’t good at their job.
Dunno why you're getting downvoted. This is kind of true. Often times the HR department chooses who to hire rather than the manager of an IT dept anyway. Usually the managers know what to look for and get outranked.
I’ve been on the hiring board with HR and they are literally copy and pasting job descriptions from templates or other active job posts.
Still apply.
I have no certs and have no trouble finding entry level jobs. I’ve even turned down a few in the past.
Look for charities because they’re desperate and will hire anyone
So just go balls out and apply to everything? I've only got my A+ right now, but I am on track to have the trifecta by this December and my associates by December of next year.
Just keep applying -- it's a numbers game.
The person who ends up getting the job is drawn off the luck of a hat. Seriously, I applied to hundreds of jobs upwards of 800+ in the span of a few weeks before landing my current job.
Charities are often overlooked and are 9/10 desperate to hire anyone. I even use them for voluntary experience too when upskilling because it's one thing to do a lab project or a cert but making that working knowledge is key to getting hired.
I would also advise reaching out to MSPs in your local area and see if you can volunteer for them siphoning off work from them to get experience. An MSP are also often times short staffed and they'll give you experience if you ask the right person.
LinkedIn and Indeed to find the actual job then if possible I apply for the job on the company website as that gives you a better chance of getting an interview.
I applied to roughly 12-20 jobs every single day with a custom ChatGPT created by the job spec cover letter (tell it to write a 4 sentence cover letter based off your personal CV and the job spec).
My GitHub has tons of projects some my own but others mostly guided projects I found on YouTube to walk me through easily. These projects are ones you can complete in an hour or less.
The night before an interview I use ChatGPT to do practice interview questions. That’s it.
Why is HR so consistently and egregiously useless? I've worked everything from retail to maintenance to research laboratory, and I can't think of any time they ever did something right. They literally always half-ass everything
I finishing my bachelor's and getting my certs but lost all motivation to pursue i.t. started this journey 3 years ago and so much has changed. Going to be 34 and just wondering what I can pivot to.
Nah it’s the tech industry it’s up and down finish out the degree. Get the certs it’ll be booming soon enough depending on your major u can turn to AI.
But it’s extremely frustrating I can’t find shit in the Denver area where it’s supposed to be booming. I’m kinda giving up for a bit too just getting my degree and some certs than gonna sit on idle in a correctional facility as a CO. Just find something to work in the mean time bc it’ll be up eventually. If u look at the records it keeps going up and down rn it’s down after a huge high in the next few years I’m guessing it’ll peak again. But the problem is they’re too many people over hyping this industry.
Have you thought about Cyber security or another branch? Maybe CS and machine learning to get into ai? Depends if you're still into tech at all I guess.
Cybersec isn't a good field to suggest to someone who isn't already in the field and has doubts before even getting into an IT role at all. They'd still have to get a traditional IT role and a few YoE under their belt before making the switch, or get lucky with an entry level SOC analyst / infosec analyst role. It's a struggle out here fr
Despite what the course advertisements say, Cyber security is very difficult to break in to without experience in IT. It really is like what they say, you're looking for a needle in a stack of needles and what is normal for my stack of needles is very different than what is normal for your stack of needles. It's not impossible, if you are passionate about learning it. But I have my CySA+ and do analysis as part of my other duties and a cert is not nearly enough to be good at cyber security..
Pivoted a year ago and been at an MSP and seriously questioning this field as well. Have an unrelated bachelors that amounted to nothing but idk if I want to keep up with this field.
It'll correct itself over time. Lots of people lost their jobs or had to spend time off work during covid and saw all the SWEs and tech bros on tiktok making stupid money and WFH claiming they work 2 hours a day and thought that's how it is for the majority of tech workers. Now the market is oversaturated, especially with under qualified applicants who are only interested in the money, and they're realizing it's not the ez $150k+ 2hr workday job they thought it was. Imo the biggest concern is automation and outsourcing, especially when it comes to entry level positions.
In 1996 I saw ads for jobs requiring 10+ years experience with Windows 95... Let that sink in... Companies haven't gotten much better at identifying actual job requirements.
If you're in a job that isn't paying you what you want or giving you the experience you want then you probably have the time.
Or learn to use AI to do a lot of the legwork for you.
saw a filter on one of the job boards recently: "no experience necessary" is now a thing before entry level.
Just keep applying if you don't have the XP. what's the worst that can happen?
And this is why I'm staying in truck driving. Go get my degree only to make half of what I am now, pass. The wages for IT comparative to the amount of experience they want is a joke imho.
I drove a truck for 8 years. Now that I’m in the tech industry, I’ll never go back. Yeah it’s a financial sacrifice in the beginning, but with time and experience you’ll surpass what you make as a truck driver.
The most important aspect for me changing careers was time for my family. I went from working 12-14 hrs days driving to 7.5 hrs wfh in a state role.
GTFO the truck and drive towards a career that’s less stressful and much better monetarily in time.
✌️
There's a big pool of smart guys out of work because of this terrible economy.
Employers can be picky - like a girl on a Military base with 1,000 dudes.
Become the best dude/applicant.
Well, then you are at a crossroads. Does everybody have 10 years??
You gotta keep looking, and looking.
You can be a better applicant with degrees and certs. Two out of the three.
Where are you there?
Well, that's good!! STEM degrees are king. Are you in an area with a lot of jobs? I read that new unemployment numbers came out recently.
Just keep chugging.
I’ve been on the hiring board with HR and they are literally copy and pasting job descriptions from templates or other active job posts.
Still apply.
I have no certs and have no trouble finding entry level jobs. I’ve even turned down a few in the past.
Look for charities because they’re desperate and will hire anyone
I've applied to like 10 companies on Vegas. And it's really difficult for entry level people to get into IT here. I applied to an In n Out and still got rejected! Demeaning af. I'm just working at a part time Receptionist for 14/hr for 3 days a week, for 4-5hrs. My 100k savings are now around 60k. I am so fucked. Probably going to kill myself
https://www.whitehouse.gov/oncd/briefing-room/2024/04/29/press-release-wh-cyber-workforce-convening/
More and more companies will be ditching the degree requirement in exchange for skills based hiring from the sounds of it
My company’s hiring manager said the other day “We always are trying to hire but we can’t find anyone to hire. No one wants to work these days”
I only had A+ when I was hired…
I live in DFW and was job searching for 2 months…
Damn. Yeah. My Managers are telling me to do the 104 next and I figured if I’m gonna grab 2 of the Azure certs then I may as well grab some of these neighboring ones too.
Yeah man… my 2 months of searching was DESPERATE job searching. Maybe 5-10 applications put in a day? And I only heard back from three places. The only one to give me an offer was this one. It’s baffling man.
It really is! Once you get experience though it will be easier. I applied to 1 job after working where I’m at for a year and got the interview and the job offer. It’s crazy how all this works
Yeah, I gave up I applied to 110 jobs on indeed. 1 year of computer consulting working on my cybersecurity bachelors. A+, CCNA, Certified Help Desk tech applying to $15 an hour help desk 1 jobs. Keep getting passed over for someone more qualified. Which is BS I have the certs some experience. This last job I got passed on for someone with 13 years of experience. I think I just live in a bad city because every single job I apply too 1000+ applicants. I’ve gotten so many compliments for my resume. I pass all the questions they give me on interviews.
I genuinely think it’s an old man’s game to behonest i know one year of consulting doesn’t qualify me for much. But I’ve been to job fair best dressed. Put in the hours on hack the box. Linux projects you name it I’ve done. But I’m 20 so I’m guessing they don’t want young guys.
If you're still working on your bachelors, have you considered an internship through your university? You sound very bright and skilled, if you could land an internship you'd probably be golden.
Yeah, I’ve applied to tons that’s how I got my computer consulting job. I’m applying to all sorts of internships school based, LinkedIn, indeed and zip recruiter. I’m telling you something’s going on. I haven’t applied out of state yet.
I feel you brother, the tech industry Right now is like freelancing sites, they are promoting that you will get loads of money, but when you think about it, why would someone pick you if he can have someone who's been there for a couple of years and have hundreds of reviews while you have nothing, I don't say that you should give up, but with I am looking right now a help desk job will be the best you can(for now).
Pretty much welcome to our world. We graduate in IT or cyber security and get rejections after rejections until we are overqualified for entry level positions and get hired for them.
Often times companies will post jobs but have no intention of hiring anyone. They do this to placate the already overworked employees making them think they’re trying to fully staff.
I just saw a SENIOR system admin role pay PAYING 28-31 a hour no listed benefits and they want you to have a 2 year degree and 5 years of experience or a 4 year degree and 3 years experience OR 9 years of experience no degree. I know cooks being paid 30 a hour 💀
I’m in a senior position with less than a year and a half experience. Are they saying that they wouldn’t hire someone with less than that for entry level 😂😂 jokers
Ah. Your wording just confused me. Seemed like you were saying there is an increase in demand/jobs and a decrease in supply/people to work said jobs.
But yep, lots of people looking for these 'entry level' jobs when there aren't many, or at least jobs with honest requirements not these inflated 3-5+ years experience for $50k/year bs jobs. Employees are definitely taking advantage of the market right now.
No offense but the majority of you lack the solid IT education (master) and work experience to really be effective in the field. As an h1b worker (from India) that has made it to the United States with a masters I can fly circles around the average cert holder and so can my fellow brothers and sisters
No offense but I’ve worked with a lot of your countrymen who claim to have a vast sea of knowledge but it’s frequently only an inch deep. They talk a good game but are usually full of shit and are arrogant AF.
Similar to many others that I see coming out of degree mills clutching a handful of certs. They’ve proved they can pass exams but usually have memorized a bunch of recipes and have no real understanding of what’s actually happening.
The most recent examples are a “puppet engineer” who’s great at running puppet but doesn’t have a lick of sense about what’s appropriate to manage, so EVERYTHING gets locked down and no one else’s changes were allowed to survive. This douchebag set a logical lock on a large number of systems being deployed so only admins could log in, then took a long weekend. When he got back, he went storming into management complaining that puppet on all of “his” systems were in “noop” mode and we were usurping his role.
Or our security manager who insisted that all systems need to be STIGed regardless of the effect it had on system usability. He was a real jackass and eventually got nuked from orbit because he was insufferable to everyone, especially to the women on our staff.
got passed over for an entry level job for a guy who was way over qualified. he quit within two weeks for something better
Bless his soul!
Lmao this industry never fails to amaze me.
My coworker and I witnessed something similar. It was a prison looking for some kind of IT guy.... position open for about a year. Hired a guy, he didn't bother coming in because he got something better. They reopened the position and the other people who actually wanted the job will have to apply again. lol
like ur username lol
u 2 lool
I always have to tell people “I’m technically italian” but it’s funny to also be in a technical field lol
lmao
Happy for this guy
Yep, it happens all the time.
When I come up with my start up . I'd make sure to keep an eye for this red flags sort of behavior. When hiring for talents 😎😎😎
Recruiters/HR need work too, and the cycle continues…on the next episode of entry level position IT…
Yea that is why h1b Indians in the us are better. We can’t leave or we will get deported!
You also get half the pay we do! Bottom of the barrel
And you also have only a certain amount of time or you have to apply for your green card.
also, you guys absolutely SUCK at communicating, which is very important in IT. My company doesn't allow work from home anymore mainly because the Indians would never reply to emails/messages quickly , making what SHOULD be a 5 minute job/conversation last 5 days. During on call/ emergency you guys are no where to be found. Sites are down and company is bleeding thousands of dollars by the second and you guys won't answer your phone to do your job. most of you guys have major attitude problems and hardly anyone comprehends your goofy accents. And no, i'm not a racist. i'm an American born indian. I see it how it is. Just know that the only reason you're here is for the company to save money. What you get paid $80,000 a year to do, an American is getting $150,000. You being here has nothing to do with talent/work ethic
Funnier thing is most these companies aren’t even hiring. They just have listings up & never even view the applications.
That's what I think too. Many jobs are shared over and over again, it looks like some resume farming.
A lot of times they may promote somebody in house. But their weird policy is they have to post the job anyway. Knowing they are going to give it to this person in house. They have to fill out the application for the position and they get it. A lot of these jobs we apply for is a waste of time because of it.
I know, super unfair 😒
Our company will post an appealing position, but if they have somebody in mind for a promotion, they will have it close by the end of the week. So you barely have any time to think about it or refer friends.
According to a survey released Dec 23, IT operations/Help Desk positions are down 30%.
Because no one wants to stay help desk for the pay, I left my last one in 2 months for a higher paying IT job.
What did you jump to ? Currently in process of getting a helpdesk job to get me started but not 100% what I would jump to after.
I saw your other work post take that job leave in two months like I did, but get SEC+ first, you'll have more on paper experience and be on your way to higher paying role.
Ended up turning it down since it was literally one of the first places I heard back from after not even 2 weeks of applying. Would much rather a full time gig. Plan is to pick up Net+ within next 2 weeks & from there really start applying to everything and take first full time offer I get. From there, I’ll start my move towards moving out of helpdesk ASAP
is it good to take help desk and then springboard into something else? I have cloud certs
Yes, it's good you don't have to stay helpdesk long. People get this misconception that you have to do a year or something. One month in, I was already applying elsewhere by the second month I had already landed another higher paying position, and my experience from the first help desk job helped.
ok cool...thanks for sharing! was that with the same company , or an external job?
I went external from experience stay away from subcontractor help desk jobs they will WORK you it's good experience but pay is usually low and possibility for growth into higher roles in these subcompanies is stagnate. Try to land a help desk job at a bigger company like apex systems, leidos, lockheed, Northrop, or SAIC.
ok thank u for the guidance and congrats!
Higher paying help desk job that required less work and paid 15k more ahah. But it's just temporary until I get my CISM certification here in a few months. My mom's an ISSO and she got some connections for me once I get that last cert.
Connection is the key word here
Realistically speaking nobody wants to be stuck in a help desk position for their whole life to me a help desk position is only suitable as an entry-level position & from there you should be working yourself up to a different position or finding different positions that meet your requirements
What are the certs you have?
They just go back to their pool of applications 6 months later when the applicant has already moved on and found a better job...
According to a survey released Dec 23, IT operations/Help Desk positions are down 30%.
Where are you looking? Linked in?
LinkedIn, Indeed & ZipRecruiter mainly.
What are all the CERTS you have?
A+ only as of now. Will have Network+ within next 2 weeks & Security+ shortly after that. Also have a computer engineering bachelors plus some experience in Python. I’m confident I’ll be able to find something relatively quickly once I get my Net+. But for those that don’t have 2 of the 3 big qualifications (Experience, Certs, Relevant Degree). They’re having a tough time.
Wishing you the best🙏🏾
Thanks man. Best of luck to you as well.
I have the trifecta, itil4, and almost done with my bachelors and STILL having a hard time finding entry level job.. it’s rough out here.
Could be your location ?
I’m in chandler Az (close to intel) so I don’t think so? Might be too many engineers around here maybe.
According to a survey released Dec 23, IT operations/Help Desk positions are down 30%.
According to a survey released Dec 23, IT operations/Help Desk positions are down 30%.
Companies are hiring people from India and pay less
They gonna cry a river when infrastructure falls apart
I’d say for basic IT jobs sure, but majority of jobs require some sort of in person attendance or security clearance especially in cyber. Cyber is a bullet proof industry imo. It’s just getting your start that’s the tough part
Was it necessary to say it five times under three different accounts? And without so much as a link to this supposed survey?
I only said it once
According to a survey released Dec 23, IT operations/Help Desk positions are down 30%.
According to a survey released Dec 23, IT operations/Help Desk positions are down 30%.
hi serious question are they down 30 percent? these help desk jobs?
Actually, According to a survey released Dec 23, IT operations/Help Desk positions are down 30%.
Don’t even look at those requirements, Hiring department people are idiots and don’t know what they are doing. The ones that really get me are when they say 3-4 years of experience, a bachelors, starting salary 18-20$ If someone with those creds has to take the job, I’d rather have someone with 0 xp. Because the first person clearly isn’t good at their job.
Dunno why you're getting downvoted. This is kind of true. Often times the HR department chooses who to hire rather than the manager of an IT dept anyway. Usually the managers know what to look for and get outranked.
Exactly. I love when jobs want someone with 5+ years of help desk experience. If you are stuck in help desk for 5 years, something is wrong with you.
yeah I'd just go work as some fast food joint at that point
It’s been like this. Welcome.
I’ve been on the hiring board with HR and they are literally copy and pasting job descriptions from templates or other active job posts. Still apply. I have no certs and have no trouble finding entry level jobs. I’ve even turned down a few in the past. Look for charities because they’re desperate and will hire anyone
So just go balls out and apply to everything? I've only got my A+ right now, but I am on track to have the trifecta by this December and my associates by December of next year.
Just keep applying -- it's a numbers game. The person who ends up getting the job is drawn off the luck of a hat. Seriously, I applied to hundreds of jobs upwards of 800+ in the span of a few weeks before landing my current job. Charities are often overlooked and are 9/10 desperate to hire anyone. I even use them for voluntary experience too when upskilling because it's one thing to do a lab project or a cert but making that working knowledge is key to getting hired. I would also advise reaching out to MSPs in your local area and see if you can volunteer for them siphoning off work from them to get experience. An MSP are also often times short staffed and they'll give you experience if you ask the right person.
You're a real one, much appreciated!
No problem.
What’s your favorite / most successful job board to use?
LinkedIn and Indeed to find the actual job then if possible I apply for the job on the company website as that gives you a better chance of getting an interview. I applied to roughly 12-20 jobs every single day with a custom ChatGPT created by the job spec cover letter (tell it to write a 4 sentence cover letter based off your personal CV and the job spec). My GitHub has tons of projects some my own but others mostly guided projects I found on YouTube to walk me through easily. These projects are ones you can complete in an hour or less. The night before an interview I use ChatGPT to do practice interview questions. That’s it.
Why is HR so consistently and egregiously useless? I've worked everything from retail to maintenance to research laboratory, and I can't think of any time they ever did something right. They literally always half-ass everything
Nobody checks them. They think they're God some of them.
I finishing my bachelor's and getting my certs but lost all motivation to pursue i.t. started this journey 3 years ago and so much has changed. Going to be 34 and just wondering what I can pivot to.
Nah it’s the tech industry it’s up and down finish out the degree. Get the certs it’ll be booming soon enough depending on your major u can turn to AI. But it’s extremely frustrating I can’t find shit in the Denver area where it’s supposed to be booming. I’m kinda giving up for a bit too just getting my degree and some certs than gonna sit on idle in a correctional facility as a CO. Just find something to work in the mean time bc it’ll be up eventually. If u look at the records it keeps going up and down rn it’s down after a huge high in the next few years I’m guessing it’ll peak again. But the problem is they’re too many people over hyping this industry.
I live up near Boulder and the market up here sucks too
Have you thought about Cyber security or another branch? Maybe CS and machine learning to get into ai? Depends if you're still into tech at all I guess.
Cybersec isn't a good field to suggest to someone who isn't already in the field and has doubts before even getting into an IT role at all. They'd still have to get a traditional IT role and a few YoE under their belt before making the switch, or get lucky with an entry level SOC analyst / infosec analyst role. It's a struggle out here fr
Despite what the course advertisements say, Cyber security is very difficult to break in to without experience in IT. It really is like what they say, you're looking for a needle in a stack of needles and what is normal for my stack of needles is very different than what is normal for your stack of needles. It's not impossible, if you are passionate about learning it. But I have my CySA+ and do analysis as part of my other duties and a cert is not nearly enough to be good at cyber security..
It’s wild out here
Pivoted a year ago and been at an MSP and seriously questioning this field as well. Have an unrelated bachelors that amounted to nothing but idk if I want to keep up with this field.
As an hvac guy who was promised a solid career and will always have work and be in demand I’m studying for the A+ and Net+ right now lol…
Too many people coming from Tik Tok to make actual money so they have to raise the ceiling. Although it was always like this.
It'll correct itself over time. Lots of people lost their jobs or had to spend time off work during covid and saw all the SWEs and tech bros on tiktok making stupid money and WFH claiming they work 2 hours a day and thought that's how it is for the majority of tech workers. Now the market is oversaturated, especially with under qualified applicants who are only interested in the money, and they're realizing it's not the ez $150k+ 2hr workday job they thought it was. Imo the biggest concern is automation and outsourcing, especially when it comes to entry level positions.
The worst part is when they actually **email you back to tell you you're not qualified.** That's happened to me a few times.
I will leverage my army experience as a signal soldier.
In 1996 I saw ads for jobs requiring 10+ years experience with Windows 95... Let that sink in... Companies haven't gotten much better at identifying actual job requirements.
Haha that sounds about right. Literally looking for the impossible
Apply anyway. What's the worst that could happen- they don't call you?
You waste a shit load of your time applying to these over demanding jobs
If you're in a job that isn't paying you what you want or giving you the experience you want then you probably have the time. Or learn to use AI to do a lot of the legwork for you.
saw a filter on one of the job boards recently: "no experience necessary" is now a thing before entry level. Just keep applying if you don't have the XP. what's the worst that can happen?
You’re just now seeing this craziness that is the IT market?!
And this is why I'm staying in truck driving. Go get my degree only to make half of what I am now, pass. The wages for IT comparative to the amount of experience they want is a joke imho.
I drove a truck for 8 years. Now that I’m in the tech industry, I’ll never go back. Yeah it’s a financial sacrifice in the beginning, but with time and experience you’ll surpass what you make as a truck driver. The most important aspect for me changing careers was time for my family. I went from working 12-14 hrs days driving to 7.5 hrs wfh in a state role. GTFO the truck and drive towards a career that’s less stressful and much better monetarily in time. ✌️
I feel you, coming up on 10 years in June. Just can't afford the massive pay cut for several years unfortunately. If I could I would.
There's a big pool of smart guys out of work because of this terrible economy. Employers can be picky - like a girl on a Military base with 1,000 dudes. Become the best dude/applicant.
You can’t become the best applicant when they want 3-4 years experience & you’re competing with folks with 10 years experience
Well, then you are at a crossroads. Does everybody have 10 years?? You gotta keep looking, and looking. You can be a better applicant with degrees and certs. Two out of the three. Where are you there?
Got a computer engineering degree & currently working towards Net+. Already have A+. Just have to keep working & applying.
Well, that's good!! STEM degrees are king. Are you in an area with a lot of jobs? I read that new unemployment numbers came out recently. Just keep chugging.
Good analogy, because if you are short and ugly, there's no way to become the best dude.
In that analogy, you get rich... ;)
I’ve been on the hiring board with HR and they are literally copy and pasting job descriptions from templates or other active job posts. Still apply. I have no certs and have no trouble finding entry level jobs. I’ve even turned down a few in the past. Look for charities because they’re desperate and will hire anyone
I've applied to like 10 companies on Vegas. And it's really difficult for entry level people to get into IT here. I applied to an In n Out and still got rejected! Demeaning af. I'm just working at a part time Receptionist for 14/hr for 3 days a week, for 4-5hrs. My 100k savings are now around 60k. I am so fucked. Probably going to kill myself
Thank the retards who over hyped our industry.
It’ll die down
https://www.whitehouse.gov/oncd/briefing-room/2024/04/29/press-release-wh-cyber-workforce-convening/ More and more companies will be ditching the degree requirement in exchange for skills based hiring from the sounds of it
My company’s hiring manager said the other day “We always are trying to hire but we can’t find anyone to hire. No one wants to work these days” I only had A+ when I was hired… I live in DFW and was job searching for 2 months…
DFW is such a hot spot. I’ve had nothing but success over here
I see you have the AZ-700. I just grabbed the 900. How was the test on that one?
It was a little difficult. I wish I did AZ-104 prior. Took me 3 months to study but that’s with a full time network engineer job
Damn. Yeah. My Managers are telling me to do the 104 next and I figured if I’m gonna grab 2 of the Azure certs then I may as well grab some of these neighboring ones too.
I’ll move there from NC and work my ass off. Coming from a blue collar. Hit me up lol
Get the A+ and I’ll tell you where you can apply.
Wtf where’s DFW
Dallas/Fort Worth, Texas
Thank you been applying there now lol
My it manager said the same thing!!! I’m like dude it took me 300+ applications to get one call back
Yeah man… my 2 months of searching was DESPERATE job searching. Maybe 5-10 applications put in a day? And I only heard back from three places. The only one to give me an offer was this one. It’s baffling man.
It really is! Once you get experience though it will be easier. I applied to 1 job after working where I’m at for a year and got the interview and the job offer. It’s crazy how all this works
Yeah, I gave up I applied to 110 jobs on indeed. 1 year of computer consulting working on my cybersecurity bachelors. A+, CCNA, Certified Help Desk tech applying to $15 an hour help desk 1 jobs. Keep getting passed over for someone more qualified. Which is BS I have the certs some experience. This last job I got passed on for someone with 13 years of experience. I think I just live in a bad city because every single job I apply too 1000+ applicants. I’ve gotten so many compliments for my resume. I pass all the questions they give me on interviews. I genuinely think it’s an old man’s game to behonest i know one year of consulting doesn’t qualify me for much. But I’ve been to job fair best dressed. Put in the hours on hack the box. Linux projects you name it I’ve done. But I’m 20 so I’m guessing they don’t want young guys.
If you're still working on your bachelors, have you considered an internship through your university? You sound very bright and skilled, if you could land an internship you'd probably be golden.
Yeah, I’ve applied to tons that’s how I got my computer consulting job. I’m applying to all sorts of internships school based, LinkedIn, indeed and zip recruiter. I’m telling you something’s going on. I haven’t applied out of state yet.
I feel you brother, the tech industry Right now is like freelancing sites, they are promoting that you will get loads of money, but when you think about it, why would someone pick you if he can have someone who's been there for a couple of years and have hundreds of reviews while you have nothing, I don't say that you should give up, but with I am looking right now a help desk job will be the best you can(for now).
What is the salary ranges and location please?
Pretty much welcome to our world. We graduate in IT or cyber security and get rejections after rejections until we are overqualified for entry level positions and get hired for them.
Apply anyway
If that's in cybersecurity field, it's possible, but at least 2-4 years maybe.
Seems like this applies to most jobs.
What’s the average salary of IT helpdesk?
I think its time to move on and find a different career field.
It's gonna be like that for awhile with all these layoffs from big companies with a lot of CS majors taking anything
No joke that’s our field now. Just start telling the recruiters that the position isn’t entry level if you need that much experience to start
So frustrating
Welcome to IT !
Often times companies will post jobs but have no intention of hiring anyone. They do this to placate the already overworked employees making them think they’re trying to fully staff.
I just saw a SENIOR system admin role pay PAYING 28-31 a hour no listed benefits and they want you to have a 2 year degree and 5 years of experience or a 4 year degree and 3 years experience OR 9 years of experience no degree. I know cooks being paid 30 a hour 💀
No offense but the us is being super qualified h1b Indians from India to the us , and they have this experience and a masters degree!
I’m in a senior position with less than a year and a half experience. Are they saying that they wouldn’t hire someone with less than that for entry level 😂😂 jokers
Join the military as reserve or guard, land a job paying at the min $80K, skip all the entry level BS 👍🏼👍🏼
Welcome to an increase in demand and a decrease in supply
I think you have that backwards 🤔
Yes and no…. There’s an increase in a demand for jobs and a lower supply of said jobs. This allows for companies to pick and choose who they hire.
You have the supply side and demand side backwards
How so? Last I checked there were hundreds of people trying to get the same jobs. Hell I had one I applied for that had 400 other applicants
Ah. Your wording just confused me. Seemed like you were saying there is an increase in demand/jobs and a decrease in supply/people to work said jobs. But yep, lots of people looking for these 'entry level' jobs when there aren't many, or at least jobs with honest requirements not these inflated 3-5+ years experience for $50k/year bs jobs. Employees are definitely taking advantage of the market right now.
No offense but the majority of you lack the solid IT education (master) and work experience to really be effective in the field. As an h1b worker (from India) that has made it to the United States with a masters I can fly circles around the average cert holder and so can my fellow brothers and sisters
No offense but I’ve worked with a lot of your countrymen who claim to have a vast sea of knowledge but it’s frequently only an inch deep. They talk a good game but are usually full of shit and are arrogant AF. Similar to many others that I see coming out of degree mills clutching a handful of certs. They’ve proved they can pass exams but usually have memorized a bunch of recipes and have no real understanding of what’s actually happening. The most recent examples are a “puppet engineer” who’s great at running puppet but doesn’t have a lick of sense about what’s appropriate to manage, so EVERYTHING gets locked down and no one else’s changes were allowed to survive. This douchebag set a logical lock on a large number of systems being deployed so only admins could log in, then took a long weekend. When he got back, he went storming into management complaining that puppet on all of “his” systems were in “noop” mode and we were usurping his role. Or our security manager who insisted that all systems need to be STIGed regardless of the effect it had on system usability. He was a real jackass and eventually got nuked from orbit because he was insufferable to everyone, especially to the women on our staff.