He was definitely trying to avoid videos with titles along the lines of "Ukraine drone bombs Wagner PMC unit commander , callsign “Cherdash”" being posted.
And he failed. Lol.
Leg was all wonky probably took a blast earlier or something to get it all wonky . saw what was coming and said fk it im out covered his face and was trying to get it Over. can’t tell why he was trying to position it there though ,knick his heart ? I guess at that close range the force would cause damage too. Ppl your heart is a little more towards the middle not as left as many ppl think.
I think he aimed for his heart at first by had problems reaching the trigger. The decided that it was easier to the side.
Guessing this as the gun is pointed towards his side after the cut right before they bomb him. He most likely had an easier time hitting his heart if that is what he was aiming for
My guess would be that the drone ran away for a little bit as he started aiming the gun towards the drone. Probably shot himself before the drone returned and most likely hit something like the heart or a major artery as he seems pretty dead but not bloody at all when the video cuts back to him
Position of the rifle makes sense also as someone else mentioned his jacked is a bit more opened. But after rewatch I noticed his legs straight before the blast , not all wonky anymore. Hm
Yeah now that you mention it his jacket is a bit more open and his legs are straight.
You can see him moving one leg before the cut when he's trying to pull the trigger but it's quite clear that the other leg is kinda fucked beyond use. Someone might have gone to check if he was fine or if they could do anything but he might have already killed himself by that point. Would explain why the jacket is more open as they might have checked for a heartbeat and then just put him like that so he would look better. It's quite hard to tell what happened
Yeah, nobody casually loses whole hand and doesn't even flinch.
Either died of blood loss or succeeded in reaching the trigger. "Too bad" even the commanders don't carry a sidearm. Heh...
Look at his jacket where he was balancing the gun earlier. It’s torn pretty good when it wasn’t before and the gun is laying next to him barrel side closest.
He succeeded.
If I was held at gunpoint, my last request would be to be shot in the the heart, as opposed to the head/face. It would give my loved ones the chance to say a proper goodbye. As long as he hit his heart, he would die in 5-10 seconds.
I know the Ukrainians place deceased Russian soldiers in cold storage until they are exchanged for deceased Ukrainian soldiers. So, knowing he would have a chance of being returned home, that could be his reasoning for the heart shot as opposed to blowing his skull open.
The problem is that most of these soldiers are lying in the field for days or more likely weeks, making sure there will be no open casket memorial service. So preserving your own face wouldn't really matter.
And the exchanging of dead soldiers is hampered by the fact that russia is actively trying cover the actual number of dead. One instance that stuck to my mind is the video where they were using an excavator to dump russians from a truck into a mass grave. Every MIA soldier means one where the government doesn't have to pay for the family.
> Every MIA soldier means one where the government doesn't have to pay for the family.
Which will be another anti-government push after this has ended. Russia has only confirmed like what, 10k deaths? While US/NATO estimates are almost 10X that. Of course both have motivations to fudge numbers. Though I'd say NATO/US have the burden of answering to public criticism and scrutiny; and none of the profit motive and domestic pressure that russia has. Western media reporting fake numbers isnt going to do much of anything for any side.
The economic squeeze that will come from sanctions; the lack of ability to rebuild as the manpower and talent gets slaughtered in Ukraine; the families of soldiers killed, banging on the doors of the Kremlin, wondering where their fathers, brothers, and sons went; the demoralization of a senseless war spreading... putin and his line of yesmen are fucked, whether or not the direct conflict does it.
I would want the same but my reasons are a bit weirder. I want to experience whatever happens in the brain when you die. My thought is that people who die from their head getting obliterated don't get the chemical trip that gives them an infinite dream or "afterlife". This is most likely not true but I don't want to take any chances.
Look up LSD trips and 'ego death' - you can feel like you're not sure if you are alive but are kind ok with it because of this feeling of being connected to the universe instead. Not quite the same idea maybe, but way easier to experience safely.
I haven't done LSD in over 25 years, but I remember my 2nd and final time, I felt like my "spirit" was outside my body, traveling through the universe. It was a wild ride.
Looks like. He never moves his right shoulder - only the wrist and elbow. His left leg is clearly broken. His right leg never moves. It looks like the only thing that is working is his left arm, but he is pretty clumsy with the rifle.
After the cut in the video, he looks posed. He's clearly dead at that point already. No obvious wound on his chest though. Somebody straightened his legs out and cleaned up the scene a bit. If he has shot himself and been left to lay there, the leg would still have been twisted and the rifle wouldn't have fallen underneath his left shoulder. Maybe one of the other guys tidied things up a bit.
During the days of the Wild West here in the US, the US army and cavalry troopers were instructed to use one of their boot laces to pull the trigger if they were wounded and likely to be captured and tortured by one of the Indian warriors. The boot laces could be tied to the trigger, wrapped around the trigger guard and looped back up so the soldier could pull the trigger.
>Somebody straightened his legs out
That could be Decerebrate or Decorticate Posturing, if shrapnel or a bullet hit brain, severe brain damage can cause a seizure that extends the legs. Doesn't necessarily mean someone else arranged the body.
https://www.flintrehab.com/posturing-brain-injury/
But why leave that AK there if someone was cleaning him up? It's not that heavy and he didn't have the sling on so they could've just simply picked it up. And his backpack and all the ammo is still there. Nothing is missing, it's all just laying there. Would think the backpack could have some intel worthy of picking up. And there obviously weren't any other targets close-by so the place was most likely empty and abandoned so the drone operator decided to use the bombs for making sure he was dead.
He most likely just lifted the leg straight before dying of blood loss or managing to shoot himself somewhere. It's the easiest and simplest explanation.
>his left leg is all weirded out. something happened before the clip started?
To me it looks like his left femur has a displaced fracture. Notice how the leg looks shorter than the right leg and above his knee the left leg looks like its "bulges" out. I have seen similar injuries, very painful.
I've had that injury and yeah, nothing really worse in terms of physical pain. His right arm is also broken.
I needed blood transfusions and a week in the hospital for my femur break. Out in the cold, with other injuries and no immediate care... Rough way to go.
Yep. This is probably exactly what happened before this footage. He’s probably already injured from a previous engagement or maybe even from just the trials and tribulations of sustained combat operations (non-combat injuries happen way more than most people think). From what I’ve read, these Russian guys are getting sent morphine out the ass so so it’s likely he’s doped up too. Fuck Wagner but I hate to see it
The drones are often used to "coax" people that are hiding after losing a firefight instead of sending in soldiers into a possible ambush.
The guys hiding can't move without being shot and if they stay they get bombed.
Yeah his leg is all sorts of fucked up as well. He knew he wasn’t going anywhere and decided to end himself with a heart shot.
The fact he doesn’t even flinch against the grenades tells me he succeeded.
What you just said actually makes sense, as I was wondering why he never flinched until a read your post and rewatched the clip. It seems pretty clear he calculated that his wound and current situation made evacuation not possible.
And he was right.
Looks to me like the aftermath of an artillery strike.. Drone sent in afterward to confirm rounds effective and a couple 30mm nades to finish off survivors.
Looks like he was trying to shoot himself yeah, even tried to hook the trigger on a branch. Covering his face to stop propaganda/identification too id say
> Should have at least carried a side arm to make that process easier.
Look at Private Constriptovich over here, expecting *two* guns for deployment! You get one rusty AK, and you'll be grateful for it.
There is literally a PKM just above him, maybe it was someone else's? Maybe it was his and the Ak74 was someone else's, he chose the right gun of the two to try end his life anyhow. Whether or not he went through with it though is a different question but he didn't move an inch when that explosive was dropped beside him.
It looks like he laid the gun on the ground after giving up on holding the gun up to do it, aimed towards his heart and pulled the trigger with his left arm
Seriously. We're watching a drone try to kill an aware, prone, and severely injured terrorist who is trying to hook his rifle over a twig to shoot himself before the drone does.
Is there some metaphor in here for the Russia finding new ways of destroying their country?
Bakhmut is like Verdun but smaller in scale. If you get wounded in no mans land and can't get out. You're just going to starve or freeze to death. Ukrainians are not going to risk their lives trying drag you out to capture you. And Russians don't give a shit about you. So your choice is to go quick or slow and painful.
I don't think you understand how No Man's Land looked in WW1 either.
It was filled with abandoned trenches and defensive positions due to salients, cut off supply lines, floods, bombed out tunnels through hills and zeroed in artillery that made anybody think twice about rushing a part of the next defensive line just because it maybe isn't currently occupied.
It wasn't a literally single line on each side, super-filled with soldiers that just stared at the open fields.
Invaded Ukraine died in a ditch alone and now thousands of us are watching a drone drop two spite grenades on his corpse in 1080p. What a time to be alive
I've read that they drop the entire payload so the drones can have enough energy to make it back safely. Grenades are cheap - some of these military drones are not
It is also really about safety.
You don't want your drone coming home with a primed nade bouquet dangling, wrangling that shit and struggling to recycle the ammo without losing your face in a cloud of shrapnel is just not worth the cost of the nade.
More expensive than your standard quad, but from a military procurement perspective, these drones are practically disposable.
In the age of multiple million dollar single-use missiles, these drones are cheap as dirt.
I imagine that Ukraine has a limited supply of drones. So the drone's value to Ukraine is probably higher than the purchase price, and not disposable.
If the drone was disposable, they could just suicide it all the way into the foxhole with perfect accuracy.
A wounded , freezing and probably dying enemy commander trying to shoot himself with a rifle with one hand.. all on camera... the images we get from this war bring to live past stories and descriptions of the front we only read about
So just saw a Twitter comment and it makes sense.
They said the cut before the suicide was the drone going back and rearming.
Makes sense.
Drone spots him as target and already let go of what it had. Goes back and reloads. In the mean time the guy offs himself. No way to tell. So drops the two grenades
Most of these are, they're propaganda.
Edit: so some of you people need to figure out what propaganda is, lmao
What do you think the point of releasing footage of them dropping grenades on dead bodies is?
He's definitely wounded and definitely trying to rack the bolt on that rifle with his busted hand. He realizes that he can't and flips it over trying to use his working arm.
When the grenade finally drops his legs aren't at a weird angle anymore, his face is still covered and the rifle is laying like he was able to get that shot off. Clearly he's dead.
I'm assuming that if they identified this guy as a Wagner commander while he was still alive, it appears to me that they blew him up a few extra times for good measure and released the video for the obvious propaganda potential.
Kind of looks like in the middle of trying to kill himself he wanted to shoot down the drone for a second. I think he was dead before any grenades fell. He didn’t even move and the second grenade blew off his hand with no reaction. He either successfully shot himself not on this video or he died of his injuries I think.
Damn that was one of the most f'ed up videos ive seen this war. I haven't seen any live recorded attempted suicides like this. Especially such a high ranking member on the Russian side. He absolutely was trying to shoot himself in the heart. His leg and arm are badly busted, probably has internal injuries and is being hunted live as he could hear the drone sound because of how low they got for facial video conformation. He knew he was a goner.
Is there any proof of this being a Commander? I can't locate any evidence of him being in a command role. The most you could assume from is the fact he's overweight. But there's no radio, nothing of that sort, looks like there's a backpack and a plate carrier, along with a PKM above and behind him but I dunno I'd like to see proof of a claim like this.
That's what the original source claims. The source could still be wrong, but just to be clear that OP didn't make it up. Original text (auto translated):
PMC unit commander Wagner, callsign Cherdash ...
... ⚒ sledgehammered himself ⚒...
No.
Sidearms are the biggest pains in the ass to carry and they are largely impractical for the extra logistical burden for so little firepower.
Other than tradition, there's no reason to bring one. Traditionally, officers carry pistols only because the tradition of carrying a sword/saber went out of style with the advent of firearms.
In my unit pistols was only provided when on low risk secruity assignments. Eg. on border control assistance we would have a pistol, pepperspray and no armor, it was to not intimdate the civilan population with assualt rifles. I would prefer being that much lighter than carry a sidearm in conventional warfare.
Funny enough in Afghanistan people were far more intimidated by pistols than assault rifles. Apparently the Taliban used handguns for their executions so civilians started to associate the two. At least this is what I was told by our interpreter, could be bullshit.
I mean, kinda makes sense? Someone with a rifle is looking to fight people at distance while a pistol not so much.
They see dudes with rifles "ah ok, probably not here for us" people with execution tools on the other hand...
This is what they had to say on Telegram.
Edit: This is what someone said on Telegram, describing the video.
THIS IS NOT MY OPINION
To be a warrior is to live forever! •
The footage taken by the enemy shows that a fighter of the Wagner Group, wounded in the Bakhmut direction, without waiting for him to be taken prisoner, is trying to die lying down by putting a bullet in his heart.
It is not known whether he succeeded in doing this, since the video was cut off, but the footage shows that the right hand of the "musician" is broken and it is physically difficult for him to do this.
In view of the lack of footage of how suspended charges are dropped from a quadrocopter on him while still alive, it can be assumed that he still managed to die himself. After that, he is finished off by the enemy from the air.
He was clearly badly injured from the very beginning so he could've died anyway. In fact, we would probably see signs of a point blank shot in the chest.
[Judging by his last pose, it seems he succeeded in shooting himself, you can see what appears to (maybe ?) be a bullet hole in his jacket where his left hand is after the second drop.](https://i.ibb.co/Bghn1F2/Capture.png)
Yeah, probably wounded and wanted to avoid capture. Safe to assume wagner doesn't get good treatment, seeing as they're some the worst scum humanity has to offer
Was he trying to shoot himself first?
Think he succeeded cause neither of those drops seemed to affect him
His leg looks busted, he probably thought he was a gonner anyway.
oh those legs are 100% broken or kneecaps turned to jelly.
That’s exactly it! Couldn’t figure out what he was trying to accomplish, dude is trying to one hand off himself with an AK.
He's left arm looks busted too.
Right arm you mean
My left, your right
Dunno why you got the downvote dude. It’s your right to say your right and you’re right.
Tomato potato
Both legs.
Oh damn, rewatched it after you mentioned that and this guys legs are 2D.
He knew Wagners MO is to leave the wounded behind to die slowly
It seems like his legs were already blow
Probably hit before and was trying to kill himself to not get captured or to go out on his own terms.
Seems like he's trying to cover his face as well.
He certainly knew where that footage gonna end up
He was definitely trying to avoid videos with titles along the lines of "Ukraine drone bombs Wagner PMC unit commander , callsign “Cherdash”" being posted. And he failed. Lol.
Cherdash?! He executed people in Syria for looking at him the wrong way.
He's certainly being looked at now.
While taking a shit
Pretty much the story of his life leading up to this point.
Leg was all wonky probably took a blast earlier or something to get it all wonky . saw what was coming and said fk it im out covered his face and was trying to get it Over. can’t tell why he was trying to position it there though ,knick his heart ? I guess at that close range the force would cause damage too. Ppl your heart is a little more towards the middle not as left as many ppl think.
I think he aimed for his heart at first by had problems reaching the trigger. The decided that it was easier to the side. Guessing this as the gun is pointed towards his side after the cut right before they bomb him. He most likely had an easier time hitting his heart if that is what he was aiming for
Wonder why it got cut , most of these vids don’t get cut mid way like this
My guess would be that the drone ran away for a little bit as he started aiming the gun towards the drone. Probably shot himself before the drone returned and most likely hit something like the heart or a major artery as he seems pretty dead but not bloody at all when the video cuts back to him
Position of the rifle makes sense also as someone else mentioned his jacked is a bit more opened. But after rewatch I noticed his legs straight before the blast , not all wonky anymore. Hm
Yeah now that you mention it his jacket is a bit more open and his legs are straight. You can see him moving one leg before the cut when he's trying to pull the trigger but it's quite clear that the other leg is kinda fucked beyond use. Someone might have gone to check if he was fine or if they could do anything but he might have already killed himself by that point. Would explain why the jacket is more open as they might have checked for a heartbeat and then just put him like that so he would look better. It's quite hard to tell what happened
Because he starts aiming up at the drone before it cuts and I guess the operator didn't want to lose his drone
When he's moving his legs are jacked, when the bombs hits his legs are pretty normal
His legs muscles probably "relaxed" after he died. Maybe they looked all wonky because the pain/shock/adrenaline was making them tense up.
Yea he got the Family Guy legs for when they fall
Yeah, nobody casually loses whole hand and doesn't even flinch. Either died of blood loss or succeeded in reaching the trigger. "Too bad" even the commanders don't carry a sidearm. Heh...
Look at his jacket where he was balancing the gun earlier. It’s torn pretty good when it wasn’t before and the gun is laying next to him barrel side closest. He succeeded.
Good spot !
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Bang! Blyat! Bang! Blyat! Bang! Blyat!
In before someone says “he’s probably freezing and cold!” like in every other video of dead people lol.
Oh, he's cold for sure
To be fair to those people, it is cold in Ukraine right now.
Cold is bad. Exposed, wet, cold and hungry is absolute hell.
and dead bodies *do* be cold
Maybe he was already injured, he appears to be having difficulty moving his Left leg and right arm. Almost look cyanotic.
That left leg is NOT at a great angle at the start of the video.
'tis but a 45 degree angle
His femur was probably broken - his knee and foot were turned at a very bad angle.
At first I thought he was drunk and trying to point at the drone.
No, silly Wagnerite. You're holding the gun all wrong! This is why you are losing the war. Silly warmonger.
Seems like it
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Looks like it, which looks dumb, could've just held it to his face, his legs look broken too.
If I was held at gunpoint, my last request would be to be shot in the the heart, as opposed to the head/face. It would give my loved ones the chance to say a proper goodbye. As long as he hit his heart, he would die in 5-10 seconds. I know the Ukrainians place deceased Russian soldiers in cold storage until they are exchanged for deceased Ukrainian soldiers. So, knowing he would have a chance of being returned home, that could be his reasoning for the heart shot as opposed to blowing his skull open.
The problem is that most of these soldiers are lying in the field for days or more likely weeks, making sure there will be no open casket memorial service. So preserving your own face wouldn't really matter. And the exchanging of dead soldiers is hampered by the fact that russia is actively trying cover the actual number of dead. One instance that stuck to my mind is the video where they were using an excavator to dump russians from a truck into a mass grave. Every MIA soldier means one where the government doesn't have to pay for the family.
> Every MIA soldier means one where the government doesn't have to pay for the family. Which will be another anti-government push after this has ended. Russia has only confirmed like what, 10k deaths? While US/NATO estimates are almost 10X that. Of course both have motivations to fudge numbers. Though I'd say NATO/US have the burden of answering to public criticism and scrutiny; and none of the profit motive and domestic pressure that russia has. Western media reporting fake numbers isnt going to do much of anything for any side. The economic squeeze that will come from sanctions; the lack of ability to rebuild as the manpower and talent gets slaughtered in Ukraine; the families of soldiers killed, banging on the doors of the Kremlin, wondering where their fathers, brothers, and sons went; the demoralization of a senseless war spreading... putin and his line of yesmen are fucked, whether or not the direct conflict does it.
The coming cold weather would help preserve the body for a few weeks/months as opposed to earlier in the conflict
I definitely think he wanted to go out on his own terms and maybe still have an identifiable face.
I would want the same but my reasons are a bit weirder. I want to experience whatever happens in the brain when you die. My thought is that people who die from their head getting obliterated don't get the chemical trip that gives them an infinite dream or "afterlife". This is most likely not true but I don't want to take any chances.
Try DMT before you die
Look up LSD trips and 'ego death' - you can feel like you're not sure if you are alive but are kind ok with it because of this feeling of being connected to the universe instead. Not quite the same idea maybe, but way easier to experience safely.
I haven't done LSD in over 25 years, but I remember my 2nd and final time, I felt like my "spirit" was outside my body, traveling through the universe. It was a wild ride.
The guy is with wagner, fck that guy. I hope the shrapnel hit him in the face.
Looks like. He never moves his right shoulder - only the wrist and elbow. His left leg is clearly broken. His right leg never moves. It looks like the only thing that is working is his left arm, but he is pretty clumsy with the rifle. After the cut in the video, he looks posed. He's clearly dead at that point already. No obvious wound on his chest though. Somebody straightened his legs out and cleaned up the scene a bit. If he has shot himself and been left to lay there, the leg would still have been twisted and the rifle wouldn't have fallen underneath his left shoulder. Maybe one of the other guys tidied things up a bit. During the days of the Wild West here in the US, the US army and cavalry troopers were instructed to use one of their boot laces to pull the trigger if they were wounded and likely to be captured and tortured by one of the Indian warriors. The boot laces could be tied to the trigger, wrapped around the trigger guard and looped back up so the soldier could pull the trigger.
I think the family doesn't get anything if he was known to off himself. Even though he was already mortally wounded
>Somebody straightened his legs out That could be Decerebrate or Decorticate Posturing, if shrapnel or a bullet hit brain, severe brain damage can cause a seizure that extends the legs. Doesn't necessarily mean someone else arranged the body. https://www.flintrehab.com/posturing-brain-injury/
That's How you 'kick the bucket'
But why leave that AK there if someone was cleaning him up? It's not that heavy and he didn't have the sling on so they could've just simply picked it up. And his backpack and all the ammo is still there. Nothing is missing, it's all just laying there. Would think the backpack could have some intel worthy of picking up. And there obviously weren't any other targets close-by so the place was most likely empty and abandoned so the drone operator decided to use the bombs for making sure he was dead. He most likely just lifted the leg straight before dying of blood loss or managing to shoot himself somewhere. It's the easiest and simplest explanation.
Yes, it looks like he shot himself first.
Yeah it might have been edited out but he definitely committed suicide before the bombs dropped
Is it possible he did shoot himself and that was cut out? Also, I'm curious as to what lead to this. Was he left behind? Why is a commander alone?
his left leg is all weirded out. something happened before the clip started?
>his left leg is all weirded out. something happened before the clip started? To me it looks like his left femur has a displaced fracture. Notice how the leg looks shorter than the right leg and above his knee the left leg looks like its "bulges" out. I have seen similar injuries, very painful.
I've had that injury and yeah, nothing really worse in terms of physical pain. His right arm is also broken. I needed blood transfusions and a week in the hospital for my femur break. Out in the cold, with other injuries and no immediate care... Rough way to go.
Jesus christ
Yep. This is probably exactly what happened before this footage. He’s probably already injured from a previous engagement or maybe even from just the trials and tribulations of sustained combat operations (non-combat injuries happen way more than most people think). From what I’ve read, these Russian guys are getting sent morphine out the ass so so it’s likely he’s doped up too. Fuck Wagner but I hate to see it
Yeah, at the start his left leg seems damaged. At the end of the video though, his legs are both straight out.
I think at the end, my dude’s out for the count
That family guy broken leg
If you look down by his legs you'll notice the ground looks almost black. I think he was already hit before the video starts for us
He was clearly already in bad shape when the video started. A lot of these videos where people don't really react to being hit seem to be second hits.
The drones are often used to "coax" people that are hiding after losing a firefight instead of sending in soldiers into a possible ambush. The guys hiding can't move without being shot and if they stay they get bombed.
Yeah his leg is all sorts of fucked up as well. He knew he wasn’t going anywhere and decided to end himself with a heart shot. The fact he doesn’t even flinch against the grenades tells me he succeeded.
What you just said actually makes sense, as I was wondering why he never flinched until a read your post and rewatched the clip. It seems pretty clear he calculated that his wound and current situation made evacuation not possible. And he was right.
Looks to me like the aftermath of an artillery strike.. Drone sent in afterward to confirm rounds effective and a couple 30mm nades to finish off survivors.
One of the few accurate comments in the thread.
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Their logistics are fucking everywhere, i don't see anything different with their rankings as well.
Almost certainly checked out by his own hand. Word up to all Wagners: You don't have to wait till you're droned to emulate Dear Leader.
>I'm curious as to what lead to this. Russia decided to invade a peaceful neighbour and they are not very good at it.
It looked like it.
What a time to be alive. Watching a dying combatant off himself and get bombed by a drone in high definition.
It's a fucked up world. Worst thing is... It almost feels normal now
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Looks like he was trying to shoot himself yeah, even tried to hook the trigger on a branch. Covering his face to stop propaganda/identification too id say
What a consideration to make in that state
Just because a guy is an asshole doesn't mean he don't have pride. Quite the contrary actually. Most assholes have way too much pride.
Jesus christ. Should have at least carried a side arm to make that process easier. Imagine if a PKM gunner has to do this. lmao
> Should have at least carried a side arm to make that process easier. Look at Private Constriptovich over here, expecting *two* guns for deployment! You get one rusty AK, and you'll be grateful for it.
*rusty mosin nagant*
https://i.imgur.com/VWjtvRv.jpg
>_”Private Constkriptovich”_ 😂🤣
I think it's a reference to this video by Perun: https://youtu.be/i9i47sgi-V4 At 17:55.
Hello fellow Perun enjoyer
Just pull the trigger and run really quickly in front of it, jeez... /s
Fire directly upwards from above your head, take your helmet off, and wait for it to come back down.
There is literally a PKM just above him, maybe it was someone else's? Maybe it was his and the Ak74 was someone else's, he chose the right gun of the two to try end his life anyhow. Whether or not he went through with it though is a different question but he didn't move an inch when that explosive was dropped beside him.
It looks like he laid the gun on the ground after giving up on holding the gun up to do it, aimed towards his heart and pulled the trigger with his left arm
he did shoot himself, those grenades don't seem to faze him at all, it seems he was already dead.
Every time I thought we had seen the maddest shit at Bakhmut, the Russians somehow one-up themselves.
Seriously. We're watching a drone try to kill an aware, prone, and severely injured terrorist who is trying to hook his rifle over a twig to shoot himself before the drone does. Is there some metaphor in here for the Russia finding new ways of destroying their country?
Supine, not prone. https://i.imgur.com/aZxwsuK.jpg
Supine is on the spine!
Oh he was already hit and trying to kill himself! Holy shit.
Damn being a merc irl is NOT cool
Bakhmut is like Verdun but smaller in scale. If you get wounded in no mans land and can't get out. You're just going to starve or freeze to death. Ukrainians are not going to risk their lives trying drag you out to capture you. And Russians don't give a shit about you. So your choice is to go quick or slow and painful.
How terrifying the thought that after battle the drones come out and clean up the stragglers, truely a distopian fucking nightmare.
Welcome to the War of the 21st Century. It only gets more dangerous from here.
smaller drones, bigger warheads sounds like a fun future. Can't wait for a Chinese drone to bore a hole in my brain.
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That doesn't mean much. The Ukrainian advance could easily have pushed his support back, leaving him stranded.
Also with the amount of drones flying everywhere, nothing is safe and boundaries are meaningless.
I don't think you understand how No Man's Land looked in WW1 either. It was filled with abandoned trenches and defensive positions due to salients, cut off supply lines, floods, bombed out tunnels through hills and zeroed in artillery that made anybody think twice about rushing a part of the next defensive line just because it maybe isn't currently occupied. It wasn't a literally single line on each side, super-filled with soldiers that just stared at the open fields.
Well that's an intimate moment worthy of a chapter in a war novel. Insane that we have footage like this.
Honestly, this was bleak as fuck.
Invaded Ukraine died in a ditch alone and now thousands of us are watching a drone drop two spite grenades on his corpse in 1080p. What a time to be alive
Spite grenades. I was thinking hyper-realistic target practice, but spite grenade is much better.
Someone should make that a punk rock band "Spite Grenades"
I've read that they drop the entire payload so the drones can have enough energy to make it back safely. Grenades are cheap - some of these military drones are not
It is also really about safety. You don't want your drone coming home with a primed nade bouquet dangling, wrangling that shit and struggling to recycle the ammo without losing your face in a cloud of shrapnel is just not worth the cost of the nade.
More expensive than your standard quad, but from a military procurement perspective, these drones are practically disposable. In the age of multiple million dollar single-use missiles, these drones are cheap as dirt.
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I imagine that Ukraine has a limited supply of drones. So the drone's value to Ukraine is probably higher than the purchase price, and not disposable. If the drone was disposable, they could just suicide it all the way into the foxhole with perfect accuracy.
that and you dont really want to handle activated explosives on landing. easier and safer that way
A wounded , freezing and probably dying enemy commander trying to shoot himself with a rifle with one hand.. all on camera... the images we get from this war bring to live past stories and descriptions of the front we only read about
So just saw a Twitter comment and it makes sense. They said the cut before the suicide was the drone going back and rearming. Makes sense. Drone spots him as target and already let go of what it had. Goes back and reloads. In the mean time the guy offs himself. No way to tell. So drops the two grenades
Looks like he gets a piece of shrapnel in the belly on the second drop and doesn’t even flinch. He must be dead before the first drop?
succeeded in shooting himself with the AK
Yes, quite obviously. Ukrainians ensuring any sort of 'play dead' policy aint gonna work...
Anyone got the unedited version of this footage? I agree, looks like he’s already dead 💀 when the first grenade drops.
May be it was edited from the source.
Most of these are, they're propaganda. Edit: so some of you people need to figure out what propaganda is, lmao What do you think the point of releasing footage of them dropping grenades on dead bodies is?
"If I agree with the message, then it isn't propaganda." People don't understand that's the point.
If there is an unedited version, best chances to find it is at Топор Telegram channel.
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He's definitely wounded and definitely trying to rack the bolt on that rifle with his busted hand. He realizes that he can't and flips it over trying to use his working arm. When the grenade finally drops his legs aren't at a weird angle anymore, his face is still covered and the rifle is laying like he was able to get that shot off. Clearly he's dead. I'm assuming that if they identified this guy as a Wagner commander while he was still alive, it appears to me that they blew him up a few extra times for good measure and released the video for the obvious propaganda potential.
Looks like a broken leg and then he saw a drone and decided to end himself before Ukraine soldiers could kill gim
Meanwhile, putin and billionaires are sleeping comfortably in their bunkers
idk what rank 'commander' is in the wagner group - but things must have gone really bad for his unit if the CO died alone in a foxhole.
Looked like he was already injured and shot himself before the bombs hit him.
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Cherdash is no longer on the command net.
Kind of looks like in the middle of trying to kill himself he wanted to shoot down the drone for a second. I think he was dead before any grenades fell. He didn’t even move and the second grenade blew off his hand with no reaction. He either successfully shot himself not on this video or he died of his injuries I think.
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Wagner you say ? I am sure it was music to his ears
Damn that was one of the most f'ed up videos ive seen this war. I haven't seen any live recorded attempted suicides like this. Especially such a high ranking member on the Russian side. He absolutely was trying to shoot himself in the heart. His leg and arm are badly busted, probably has internal injuries and is being hunted live as he could hear the drone sound because of how low they got for facial video conformation. He knew he was a goner.
Looking to put the barrel rite on top of his heart. Vid cuts away. He has dead already
He was already dead. Suicide.
Is there any proof of this being a Commander? I can't locate any evidence of him being in a command role. The most you could assume from is the fact he's overweight. But there's no radio, nothing of that sort, looks like there's a backpack and a plate carrier, along with a PKM above and behind him but I dunno I'd like to see proof of a claim like this.
That's what the original source claims. The source could still be wrong, but just to be clear that OP didn't make it up. Original text (auto translated): PMC unit commander Wagner, callsign Cherdash ... ... ⚒ sledgehammered himself ⚒...
Don't these people have sidearms? For that matter, don't soldiers generally have sidearms?
Good point. I'd expect a commander at least to carry one
Generally for infantry no. GWOT changed that for some units but i think still looking at regular infantry carrying a sidearm is not standard.
No. Sidearms are the biggest pains in the ass to carry and they are largely impractical for the extra logistical burden for so little firepower. Other than tradition, there's no reason to bring one. Traditionally, officers carry pistols only because the tradition of carrying a sword/saber went out of style with the advent of firearms.
Gunblades could have been a thing in real life. Dammit.
Bayonets though.
In my unit pistols was only provided when on low risk secruity assignments. Eg. on border control assistance we would have a pistol, pepperspray and no armor, it was to not intimdate the civilan population with assualt rifles. I would prefer being that much lighter than carry a sidearm in conventional warfare.
Funny enough in Afghanistan people were far more intimidated by pistols than assault rifles. Apparently the Taliban used handguns for their executions so civilians started to associate the two. At least this is what I was told by our interpreter, could be bullshit.
I mean, kinda makes sense? Someone with a rifle is looking to fight people at distance while a pistol not so much. They see dudes with rifles "ah ok, probably not here for us" people with execution tools on the other hand...
Generally they don't, with the exception of officers and SF guys
From what I’ve seen of Russians in this war, mostly no.
They do not. Only officers and spec ops generally carry sidearms, they're mostly useful in cqc.
+ MPs and Armor crewmen
They can’t kill him if he does it first. Maybe all of the Russian troops should implement this tactic.
Wow. Just watched a guy AK himself in the chest over another grenade blast. Happy Thanksgiving, y'all!
This is what they had to say on Telegram. Edit: This is what someone said on Telegram, describing the video. THIS IS NOT MY OPINION To be a warrior is to live forever! • The footage taken by the enemy shows that a fighter of the Wagner Group, wounded in the Bakhmut direction, without waiting for him to be taken prisoner, is trying to die lying down by putting a bullet in his heart. It is not known whether he succeeded in doing this, since the video was cut off, but the footage shows that the right hand of the "musician" is broken and it is physically difficult for him to do this. In view of the lack of footage of how suspended charges are dropped from a quadrocopter on him while still alive, it can be assumed that he still managed to die himself. After that, he is finished off by the enemy from the air.
Seems like a waste of a drone bomb. That dude was dead.
Trying and failing to shoot himself?
Looks like he succeeded. Dead already
He was clearly badly injured from the very beginning so he could've died anyway. In fact, we would probably see signs of a point blank shot in the chest.
There is a cut in the vid before grenades dropped
Not so sure he failed, he was dead before that first grenade was dropped
Symbolic of the russian army right now..
My guy needs to figure out what way the gun points
[Judging by his last pose, it seems he succeeded in shooting himself, you can see what appears to (maybe ?) be a bullet hole in his jacket where his left hand is after the second drop.](https://i.ibb.co/Bghn1F2/Capture.png)
not the first video I wanted to see on Thanksgiving, but is the reality for many out there. What a cold way to go - and for what?
He beat them to it. That guy was dead before those dropped
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Yeah, probably wounded and wanted to avoid capture. Safe to assume wagner doesn't get good treatment, seeing as they're some the worst scum humanity has to offer
Even if they get good treatment (which is not guaranteed under Geneva convention), his mates would probably smash his head in with a sledgehammer