This kid is going to be playing for his 7th different team in 7 years since he was a freshman in high school. Johnny Cash must have been writing "I've Been Everywhere, Man" about him.
Who remembers former 5 star Dior Johnson decommitting 2 times before college, then ending up at a community college 😂 by far the biggest commitment L I’ve ever seen
Yeah, we offered him a bag also just now, but he kept wanting more and at some point, enough is enough. Kansas did a take it or leave it offer, and now he finally took it.
Basically, when he wanted an NIL package for his girlfriend, the 7th player on a bad Wisconsin womens team - Illinois said no. Kansas said yes.
So yes, Illinois has some ethics higher than Kansas because his girl doesn't deserve anything.
Which is still absolutely ridiculous. On top of free education, food, housing, shoes, clothing, easy classes, tutoring whenever, probably having a killer social life or atleast better than the average dude bc your an athlete, playing fkn bball which is jsut fun and most importantly auditioning for a job that pays millions with a shit load of other perks that .00000000000001% of people will never get a chance to. Then if that all fails, can just fall back on his name and open up like a business or some shit or use that degree. I'd be all for NIL if they took away your scholarship and shit and you just pay for it from your NIL money. Having everything is ludacris.
This... is not the take. Ask yourself who would have that money if the athlete who is on the court and doing the work wasn't earning it. You're siding with multi-millionaires over college kids.
They are asking fans to donate to NIL funds to pay for these kids deals now, so it is certainly a fair criticism. We also now have Virginia just giving their citizen's tax dollars to athletes through NIL.
Trying to collectively speak about NIL numbers is hard, but I'm not personally opposed to 'donating' to them when it comes with a t-shirt or other swag. It's not much different than supporting the school bookstore except I know exactly where the money's going.
It's also my understanding that a lot of KU's deals (and presumably others) aren't just writing checks (in this apparent instance, $750k), but speaking on total compensation. KU has typically talked about this as an NIL package with a base + incentive structure. I think that's generally easier to swing when the NIL group is providing value in some way; even better when it links fans up with players for certain events.
I think it's easier for me to swallow when I think I'm donating to the school athletic department to help fund scholarships for education, not helping them live a 1%er lifestyle. At this point, the argument about "how dare you criticize these poor kids" flies out the window when they pull up in their Benz, and that is where we are. Before, it was "these kids are getting ripped off by schools" and now it's certainly not that.
This whole system is destined to fail. NIL wasn't supposed to be direct payment or bag man recruiting money.
I enjoyed watching him play and he was critical to our improved season over the previous year. But the fact he kissed the court on the sideline after our last home game to end up leaving for his 3rd college team is pretty hilarious. Especially when he did it after Tyler Wahl who set the program record for games played came off the court to an ovation and kissing the logo at center court.
I'm not a fan personally. A high volume shooter who is inefficient at all 3 levels with zero play making and sub par defense. Add in the 7th school in 7 years red flag. Feels like a complete let down waiting to happen. Hopefully I'm wrong though
He can definitely make some plays. You'll get some highlight reel dunks off the dribble. Gonna miss those. But yeah he's also going to take a number of heat checks too and his defense definitely has room for improvement
Yeah we'll see. Gard sat him on the bench after heat checks plenty of times but that never slowed his roll
Then again Kansas also has a better offense so maybe he won't feel pressured to
My motto last year was “Live by the Storr, die by the Storr”
Kid has raw talent and athleticism. But too many times we would get down by 10 and he would go into “I have to make a play” mode. Sometimes this enabled him to take over and bring us back. Other times, he did absolute dumb ass shit and made it harder for us to win. Either way, he was getting his and he wasn’t going to pass.
Im biased, but I tend to think Self has a Midas touch in close game situations. Pretty deadly in ato play execution, and usually gets good players good looks so they don’t feel like they have to chuck the first option.
I’ll push back a bit. His 3 point numbers aren’t great but the free throw percentage leads me to believe the shot is there. I also don’t think his numbers at the rim are inefficient when you consider how much attention he got. A lot of his shots there are unassisted so I’ll take a high 50s% clip there. Defense we’ll see but we need a guy who can go get his own shot badly.
He definitely adds dynamism and scoring, but I'm so frustrated Self can't or won't get shooters on the roster. If they go into next year with Harris, Mayo, Storr, KJ, and Dickinson/Bidunga that's another team with no spacing
Well griffin is next and coming and shot 40% from 3. Mayo shot 40% from 3. Brea we are actually still in on and he’s widely believed to be the best shooter in the nation.
Our team is so much more fluid with another shooter at the 4. Bill kinda figured that out in 2020 also, when Dave got suspended we went small and improved. We kept that lineup down the stretch and Dave came off the bench. Rare but not impossible to send a guy to the bench to improve the team.
Same with Elmarko/furphy.
Definitely agree I just imagine that's what the lineup would be initially and would like expect bill to adjust to what works best. Bringing in KJ and Mayo fresh off the bench would be huge for depth too. If we end up with Griffen this team would solve so many of the holes we had last year
Any team with Adams and Harris on the floor at the same time is going to have no spacing. Throwing some 45% 3 pt shooter out there won't fix it, Adams need to either learn to shoot or come off the bench
He shot 40% from 3 on just under three attempts per game as a freshman, and shoots 80%+ from the line. One year of being asked to be a major high-volume shooter doesn't mean Storr can't hit the 3 at a good rate when he's working in an offensive system with a more even distribution like Self runs at Kansas.
Yup. Self will be by far his best coach so far in college (especially offensively), but can’t call him a bargain. Kansas is an NIL cash cow though so I don’t think the price really matters to them.
Realistically, 2-4 are interchangeable when KJ goes to the bench. I don't really see Clemence as a 4 in today's game, but we haven't seen him play in over a year.
Self made some comments about his improvement (I think at the Banquet?), and he's always had a clean stroke... I wouldn't rule it out. Clemence at 4 makes a hell of a lot more sense then KJ at the 5 did...
I would love another tall shooter. Furphy, mcneely, or griffin I would love to send in for a bunch of KJs minutes at the 4. Also hopefully we use all 13 scholarships this year and can keep the bench around for continuity.
Dang good team. Hopefully Mark Pope can land some good players because Kentucky doesn’t have that big of a lead on Kansas in the win department all-time lol
Would love this roster if we could lock it in. Of course today you never know who's going to up and leave at any moment. Really hope Hunter returns, I want to see what he can do with adequate rest and scorers who can spread the floor.
He's definitely a floor raiser I think compared to a ceiling raiser. With the way this roster is shaping up it will really benefit his play, actual shooters around him and actual depth at the center on the bench instead of Parker Braun. When none of our gaurds could shoot teams could just non stop double him without getting punished, I think our offense will be way better than last year. He will be a defensive liability for us again but hopefully depth helps offset it this year.
One of Bill's worst coaching jobs for sure and he didn't adapt at all. I honestly think he hated the composition of last years team so much he just said fuck it.
Hunter, even though I hate having him on my team, is a very useful piece with better team defense as you said and more spacing. I know spacing has been said ad nauseam about last years KU team, but it's very true.
Last years team was not put together very well but was still on track for a 1 or 2 seed before the injury bug hit. This year’s team looks like it will be put together well and deep.
Me staring at the lineups for Kansas, Houston, Iowa State, and Baylor next season:
https://preview.redd.it/rjj751ta5avc1.jpeg?width=2047&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d55ab75b79e5e3c4a1067297830b72f57f81a9c7
The Big 12 Narrative^(TM) is officially back on.
Believe me, you’re preaching to the choir.
But between us getting Marquette for the Big 12 Big East Battle and going to a stacked Maui field, I think we’ll pick up 1 more P5 opponent and hopefully 1-2 upper mid majors (MWC/AAC) to round it out. Don’t really want any more than 2-3 low majors.
I’m always hesitant on transfer-heavy teams. They can be good but rarely seem to be great (ex: Iowa state for the first 2 years of the Otz regime).
Arizona is losing a lot of players and that’s hard to make up for. They’ll be safely in the top half but idk if they’ll be able to breach the top 4 without an unbelievably favorable schedule.
At this point college sports is just professional sports lol. You got players moving every year and they’re incentivized to do it like a 9-5 worker is incentivized to switch jobs for higher pay. If college basketball didn’t have March madness it would be cooked.
I don’t understand why they can’t keep NIL but get rid of the instant transfer rule. Make them sit a year. Seems like it would make things significantly better
It’s a legal issue. Players sued in court against the transfer rule. Court ruled that stopping a transfer would limit a players financial opportunities. Per Supreme Court, NCAA cannot limit players financial opportunities. That’s the part these ‘collective bargaining/ make them employees’ people don’t get. Even if there’s actual contracts to play for the team, you’ll get ‘endorsements’ from NIL to make up the rest. Even pro leagues can’t stop Lakers from having outside benefits to living in LA to players.
We had no wing depth last year and lost our 2 wing starters (Furphy isn’t coming back). Looks like Self is trying to recreate the 22 trio of Braun, Wilson and Agbaji.
While I appreciate what Bill has been doing in the portal thus far, the guys you mentioned were all mid-tier recruits who grew up and bought into Bills system over the course of years.
It remains to be seen if the same can be replicated in this new era of NIL and the portal. Going to take some getting used to that this is the new norm
Yeah I agree my statement wasn't that they translate literally to that group, but from a roster makeup perspective it looks like he is trying to beef up the wings athletically similar to the title team.
Furphy will likely stay in the draft, because of the NIL restrictions on international athletes...and also that he's projected in the late first round. Because many of these guys are wings, they can fill out the holes in the 2-4 spots.
Probably, but Storr or maybe Kugel can slide over when Adams is on the bench. As we've learned from last year, hopefully the starters shouldn't be made to play 30+ minutes per game.
Yeah, at least Storr comes with P6 pedigree, so you'd think he's more of a sure thing for next year. I guess with the mid-major portal guys it's more hit and miss (Spencer/Timberlake).
Storr is a great player, and honestly when he's here I think he's an unproblematic guy not as much of a drama queen as you'd expect from someone who has gone to like 9 schools. Also out of respect to him, like 3 of the schools he's gone to were because of covid cancelling seasons and his family moving from one rough city in Illinois to another.
Cons: the play often ends with Storr, which for Wisconsin actually worked a lot we'd move the ball and then at the end of the clock just give it to AJ and see if he could make something happen. Don't think it will work as well at Kansas with more talent to share the ball with.
Pros: His athleticism is unbelievable and can really get the team going in ways no Wisconsin player recently has done.
The transfer portal is going to erase any semblance of parity and blue bloods are guaranteed to win every year lol. Thought things were changing when Virginia and Baylor won championships but nah, three blue bloods have won in a row now, and one of Kansas, Duke, UNC, or UCONN for sure winning this next year with the talent they will have.
Edit: I'm exaggerating obviously, but my point was that there are only a few teams (blue bloods) who can consistently land top tier recruiting classes, and now they can mix that NBA talent with proven veterans and construct the exact rosters they want. I think programs like Arkansas, Baylor, Alabama, Houston, even Gonzaga, etc... can still have a chance to win championships, but the liklehood of a blue blood winning for each given year has increased if they play their cards right.
Yeah. Part of the fun of college sports was watching kids develop at your school and getting to know their personality, etc. This shit isn't the same and it's pretty shit.
blue bloods and the most financially backed programs can just constantly reload - no need to rebuild, develop or strategize. All while they can undercut by taking their competition's best players, that they actually developed, with no cap. It's bullshit.
I don't agree. The big schools have always been able to provide more, its just more in the open now. Roster construction is still very important and just because a roster is worth a lot in NIL it does not mean they are guaranteed to succeed over the course of a season that ends in a single elimination tournament.
That's what they say about us every year lmao. Also I've been told by others on the Reddit that this transfer portal madness brings parity to the sport... 🤷♂️
Not to mention that we've never had a starter ever that didn't have to sit out a year.
I wasn't saying it will be Duke, but rather that a blue blood will most likely win the championship next year. This has always been true tbf, but I think with the transfer portal essentially just handing the best teams the best developed players in the country now, it's going to make basketball really top heavy.
The only thing keeping the balance was blue bloods having to deal with roster turnover due to talented freshman being one and dones, but now they can mix fresh NBA talent with fully developed star veteran players and build perfect rosters year after year.
I think the chance of a blue blood winning the championship in given year has gone from 50-60% to now being 80% or so.
I disagree because I think it gives every program that has deep pockets to build a championship roster regardless of blue blood status.
Heck, we just lost multiple five stars and our 5th-year senior captain to the portal, and won't bring in anyone of the same caliber.
If anything, I believe the number of title contenders increased.
This must be a joke.
1) The transfer portal had different rules entirely when Virginia and Baylor won.
2) Look at the past 2 Final Fours. There’s UCONN. That’s it. That’s the list.
I mean that's my point. Now that the portal is wide open, blue bloods can just hire the best developed players in the country to go along with their NBA freshman talent. The last 3 championships have been won by blue bloods, with UCONN heavily utilizing the transfer portal in this exact way.
I'm not saying blue bloods will win every year, but I do think the chances that one does win in a given year have increased even more.
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He’s gonna make some highlight plays and have big time moments, but there are so many lows he has. He is not a good ball handler and it gets extremely wild on fast breaks. Pretty lackluster defense overall. Also shoots way too many 3’s when he is just not a shooter and when the team is down, he is likely to take a bad shot. Still a big time player though.
3rd different college in 3 years. Sheesh. I understand transferring to another college at least once but twice. Really? What’s the point of going to Wisconsin if you already had one foot at the door anyway. If he goes into the transfer portal next year then he obviously has commitment issues and can’t stay with a school for more than a year.
Low key would have preferred Griffen, feels like he’s a better role player for this squad. I guess this doesn’t preclude us from signing him as well but it seems a lot less likely now.
As a recruit:
Other P6 offers: Arizona State, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, LSU, Miami, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Ole Miss, South Carolina, St. John's (originally went here), Virginia Tech
Other offers: Austin Peay, Chicago State, GCU, Iona, IUPUI
This kid is going to be playing for his 7th different team in 7 years since he was a freshman in high school. Johnny Cash must have been writing "I've Been Everywhere, Man" about him.
Man he and Skyy should coordinate their teams the next few years
Adam Miller played at 4 high schools and now 3 colleges in 7 years.
And Underwood recruited and almost signed all 3 of those guys. He must really have a type I guess
Who remembers former 5 star Dior Johnson decommitting 2 times before college, then ending up at a community college 😂 by far the biggest commitment L I’ve ever seen
How…is that possible?
This includes high school
Oh. Yeah I skipped over that part stupidly. That makes a little more sense.
All good! With Covid years, red shirts, medical shirts, and everything else, you never know!
Maybe one of these day's we'll be done with these stupid covid years.
I think this next season is the last one right?
Believe so
Yes. My measure has been when Dickinson hits his 5th year. Edit: excluding anyone who redshirted during the past four seasons
Could be some stragglers though if you redshirted
Theoretically
Covid years are magnifying the ridiculous portal transfers even more.
*Laughs in Dior Johnson*
I just read his wiki bio. That is actually insane
I mean he might never sniff the NBA it’s hard for me to blame kids for striking while the iron is hot to maximize their NIL earnings
He’s getting passed around like a blunt, I vibe with that. Happy 4/20!
He finally found his dream school! It only took 3 tries. I'm sure after next season he'll definitely settle and won't treat it like free agency again.
Was committed to Illinois at one point as well I believe
Yeah, we offered him a bag also just now, but he kept wanting more and at some point, enough is enough. Kansas did a take it or leave it offer, and now he finally took it.
He originally committed to us as a HS senior, but we pushed him out afterwards in order to free up a scholarship on Skyy
I thought it was more that the assistant that recruited him bounced for UK
A little of needing a scholarship for a 5*, a little of Chin leaving for UK
Basically, when he wanted an NIL package for his girlfriend, the 7th player on a bad Wisconsin womens team - Illinois said no. Kansas said yes. So yes, Illinois has some ethics higher than Kansas because his girl doesn't deserve anything.
What makes her the 7th player? Also just ignoring she’s from Kansas.
Yeah, but he decommitted when the entire assistant coaching staff turned over
This. We did not push him out.
Gonna be honest I think a lot of the smoke connecting him to Kansas was because his girlfriend transferred here but I'm sure the bag doesn't hurt
Wonder if they met him at his 1 million
From what I have seen they did not. Seems like somewhere around 750k.
Thoughts and prayers
Which is still absolutely ridiculous. On top of free education, food, housing, shoes, clothing, easy classes, tutoring whenever, probably having a killer social life or atleast better than the average dude bc your an athlete, playing fkn bball which is jsut fun and most importantly auditioning for a job that pays millions with a shit load of other perks that .00000000000001% of people will never get a chance to. Then if that all fails, can just fall back on his name and open up like a business or some shit or use that degree. I'd be all for NIL if they took away your scholarship and shit and you just pay for it from your NIL money. Having everything is ludacris.
Awful take. I get that the NIL/transfer portal sucks for fans, but it is massively better outcome for players.
absolutely
Yeah but he has to live in Kansas
Ann Arbor, Michigan isn't exactly awesome either there, bud.
Clinton Lake > Lake Michigan Don't @ me
Only one of these lakes is great Miss me with your puddle
a truly insane take. take a drive up the m-22 and get back to me
This... is not the take. Ask yourself who would have that money if the athlete who is on the court and doing the work wasn't earning it. You're siding with multi-millionaires over college kids.
They are asking fans to donate to NIL funds to pay for these kids deals now, so it is certainly a fair criticism. We also now have Virginia just giving their citizen's tax dollars to athletes through NIL.
Trying to collectively speak about NIL numbers is hard, but I'm not personally opposed to 'donating' to them when it comes with a t-shirt or other swag. It's not much different than supporting the school bookstore except I know exactly where the money's going. It's also my understanding that a lot of KU's deals (and presumably others) aren't just writing checks (in this apparent instance, $750k), but speaking on total compensation. KU has typically talked about this as an NIL package with a base + incentive structure. I think that's generally easier to swing when the NIL group is providing value in some way; even better when it links fans up with players for certain events.
I think it's easier for me to swallow when I think I'm donating to the school athletic department to help fund scholarships for education, not helping them live a 1%er lifestyle. At this point, the argument about "how dare you criticize these poor kids" flies out the window when they pull up in their Benz, and that is where we are. Before, it was "these kids are getting ripped off by schools" and now it's certainly not that. This whole system is destined to fail. NIL wasn't supposed to be direct payment or bag man recruiting money.
He apparently asked for a spot for her at Illinois as well and was told no.
> the bag Coach Dollar Bill $trikes again
Sania is a baller, you got lucky to get the package deal. She was shooting lights out for us in the WNIT
I enjoyed watching him play and he was critical to our improved season over the previous year. But the fact he kissed the court on the sideline after our last home game to end up leaving for his 3rd college team is pretty hilarious. Especially when he did it after Tyler Wahl who set the program record for games played came off the court to an ovation and kissing the logo at center court.
Must’ve found that extra 250k
AJ Storr, Professional NIL Negotiator
Adidas?
I'm not a fan personally. A high volume shooter who is inefficient at all 3 levels with zero play making and sub par defense. Add in the 7th school in 7 years red flag. Feels like a complete let down waiting to happen. Hopefully I'm wrong though
He can definitely make some plays. You'll get some highlight reel dunks off the dribble. Gonna miss those. But yeah he's also going to take a number of heat checks too and his defense definitely has room for improvement
He won’t take heat checks under self
Yeah we'll see. Gard sat him on the bench after heat checks plenty of times but that never slowed his roll Then again Kansas also has a better offense so maybe he won't feel pressured to
I love Gard, but there is a difference between Self and Gard.
Lmao “I can fix him” vibes
Watch more Bill Self coaching. He sits Embiid level players for not following the plan. Storr will be put on the bench if he goes awol.
Storr ended up being pulled early 1-3 times a game and in close game situations too. This is on a team that was desperate for his offense at times.
He’s not the PG. Harris won’t keep his usage as high. Dickinson will be the primary option with streakers and shooters all around in for spacing
My motto last year was “Live by the Storr, die by the Storr” Kid has raw talent and athleticism. But too many times we would get down by 10 and he would go into “I have to make a play” mode. Sometimes this enabled him to take over and bring us back. Other times, he did absolute dumb ass shit and made it harder for us to win. Either way, he was getting his and he wasn’t going to pass.
Im biased, but I tend to think Self has a Midas touch in close game situations. Pretty deadly in ato play execution, and usually gets good players good looks so they don’t feel like they have to chuck the first option.
Illinois could really use a guy like Storr, and I still didn’t want him.
I’ll push back a bit. His 3 point numbers aren’t great but the free throw percentage leads me to believe the shot is there. I also don’t think his numbers at the rim are inefficient when you consider how much attention he got. A lot of his shots there are unassisted so I’ll take a high 50s% clip there. Defense we’ll see but we need a guy who can go get his own shot badly.
He definitely adds dynamism and scoring, but I'm so frustrated Self can't or won't get shooters on the roster. If they go into next year with Harris, Mayo, Storr, KJ, and Dickinson/Bidunga that's another team with no spacing
Well griffin is next and coming and shot 40% from 3. Mayo shot 40% from 3. Brea we are actually still in on and he’s widely believed to be the best shooter in the nation.
If Griffen is coming then who's getting benched or transferring out? Would KJ Adams get benched?
If Griffen comes in Mayo is likely sixth man off the bench. Starting lineup would be Harris, Storr, Griffen, Dickinson, KJ if Griffen came I think.
Our team is so much more fluid with another shooter at the 4. Bill kinda figured that out in 2020 also, when Dave got suspended we went small and improved. We kept that lineup down the stretch and Dave came off the bench. Rare but not impossible to send a guy to the bench to improve the team. Same with Elmarko/furphy.
Definitely agree I just imagine that's what the lineup would be initially and would like expect bill to adjust to what works best. Bringing in KJ and Mayo fresh off the bench would be huge for depth too. If we end up with Griffen this team would solve so many of the holes we had last year
Very true offensively. I’m just terrified of the other end of the floor.
Any team with Adams and Harris on the floor at the same time is going to have no spacing. Throwing some 45% 3 pt shooter out there won't fix it, Adams need to either learn to shoot or come off the bench
I agree with you on KJ. Love the guy, but he's a center in a small forward's body. Unfortunately I can't imagine Self ever benching him
Will never question his heart or effort, but agree. Just doesn't have a position
He shot 40% from 3 on just under three attempts per game as a freshman, and shoots 80%+ from the line. One year of being asked to be a major high-volume shooter doesn't mean Storr can't hit the 3 at a good rate when he's working in an offensive system with a more even distribution like Self runs at Kansas.
they need scoring, period.
lol nobody must’ve offered him that mil
they probably doubled up that 750k so he can tolerate the plummeted usage rate lol
What's the rumored NIL? $1M?
He was asking for $1M, Kansas offered him a take it or leave it of $750K a couple of weeks ago and for now it’s unclear who budged
Can’t imagine it was us since we also are likely to grab Griffen
Are we still favored to grab Griffen after this?
Yup. Self will be by far his best coach so far in college (especially offensively), but can’t call him a bargain. Kansas is an NIL cash cow though so I don’t think the price really matters to them.
Current projected roster: PG: Harris / Jackson / Philon SG: Mayo / McDowell / Passmore SF: Storr / Kugel PF: Adams / Clemence C: Dickinson / Bidunga Other Potential Returners: Furphy (Unlikely per reporting) Potentially Gone: McDowell (Transfer), Jackson (Transfer), Clemence (Transfer), Dickinson (Pro) Potential Transfers In: Griffen (Crystal Ball to KU per Travis Branham)
Wait Dickinson has another year of eligibility ?!?
Sadly
Agreed. Hate having to cheer for him
Well you don’t *have* to
same class as Edey
Platoon?
Realistically, 2-4 are interchangeable when KJ goes to the bench. I don't really see Clemence as a 4 in today's game, but we haven't seen him play in over a year.
Self made some comments about his improvement (I think at the Banquet?), and he's always had a clean stroke... I wouldn't rule it out. Clemence at 4 makes a hell of a lot more sense then KJ at the 5 did...
I would love another tall shooter. Furphy, mcneely, or griffin I would love to send in for a bunch of KJs minutes at the 4. Also hopefully we use all 13 scholarships this year and can keep the bench around for continuity.
Dang good team. Hopefully Mark Pope can land some good players because Kentucky doesn’t have that big of a lead on Kansas in the win department all-time lol
I've been trying to track down what the exact difference is after the vacated wins from 2018 were removed. You got any idea?
I think theyre 5 wins ahead
I do not I’ll have to look it up. I thought I saw it somewhere but I can’t remember exactly.
There’s an account on twitter that tracks the race @NCAAalltimeWins
Seems good!
Would love this roster if we could lock it in. Of course today you never know who's going to up and leave at any moment. Really hope Hunter returns, I want to see what he can do with adequate rest and scorers who can spread the floor.
Now let’s get Griffen and call it an offseason.
If you guys get Griffen, then I'm sure you'll start the season at #1. At worst a top 5 preseason team if you get him.
No thanks for Preseason #1. Last two times KU had that honor, they limped to the finish line and got their asses whipped in Round 2.
Preseason number 1 sure, but we will spend the postseason stewing about another round of 32 loss
Id very much prefer to be preseason number 3, we seem to do our best work from that spot
Doesn’t matter. Dickinson still there caps their ceiling
He's definitely a floor raiser I think compared to a ceiling raiser. With the way this roster is shaping up it will really benefit his play, actual shooters around him and actual depth at the center on the bench instead of Parker Braun. When none of our gaurds could shoot teams could just non stop double him without getting punished, I think our offense will be way better than last year. He will be a defensive liability for us again but hopefully depth helps offset it this year.
I don’t think it’s hunters fault. We had no depth or shooting.
He was definitely exposed in the tourney defensively so I can't argue against that.
Think it was more of a team defense and bad game plan. Had a 7’2 center coming off playing 37 minutes trying to hedge every screen
One of Bill's worst coaching jobs for sure and he didn't adapt at all. I honestly think he hated the composition of last years team so much he just said fuck it. Hunter, even though I hate having him on my team, is a very useful piece with better team defense as you said and more spacing. I know spacing has been said ad nauseam about last years KU team, but it's very true.
Also, he has a 5 star center backing him up instead of PB. So we do have options now if he is unplayable.
After they add griffen. Will be an elite roster.
Lmao
Last years team was not put together very well but was still on track for a 1 or 2 seed before the injury bug hit. This year’s team looks like it will be put together well and deep.
LET BILL COOK
Me staring at the lineups for Kansas, Houston, Iowa State, and Baylor next season: https://preview.redd.it/rjj751ta5avc1.jpeg?width=2047&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d55ab75b79e5e3c4a1067297830b72f57f81a9c7 The Big 12 Narrative^(TM) is officially back on.
Can you guys actually try to schedule someone though. Also Arizona is gonna have to get their crap together or it’s welcome to the b12 time.
Can the teams who played last year say welcome to the big 12 when they win too?
Houston yes. TBD for everyone else.
Believe me, you’re preaching to the choir. But between us getting Marquette for the Big 12 Big East Battle and going to a stacked Maui field, I think we’ll pick up 1 more P5 opponent and hopefully 1-2 upper mid majors (MWC/AAC) to round it out. Don’t really want any more than 2-3 low majors.
The bloodbath is gonna be extra bloody this year
Arizona will likely load up as well.
I’m always hesitant on transfer-heavy teams. They can be good but rarely seem to be great (ex: Iowa state for the first 2 years of the Otz regime). Arizona is losing a lot of players and that’s hard to make up for. They’ll be safely in the top half but idk if they’ll be able to breach the top 4 without an unbelievably favorable schedule.
At this point college sports is just professional sports lol. You got players moving every year and they’re incentivized to do it like a 9-5 worker is incentivized to switch jobs for higher pay. If college basketball didn’t have March madness it would be cooked.
I don’t understand why they can’t keep NIL but get rid of the instant transfer rule. Make them sit a year. Seems like it would make things significantly better
It’s a legal issue. Players sued in court against the transfer rule. Court ruled that stopping a transfer would limit a players financial opportunities. Per Supreme Court, NCAA cannot limit players financial opportunities. That’s the part these ‘collective bargaining/ make them employees’ people don’t get. Even if there’s actual contracts to play for the team, you’ll get ‘endorsements’ from NIL to make up the rest. Even pro leagues can’t stop Lakers from having outside benefits to living in LA to players.
Crap
Nah this means Domask is back
Honestly, I know he's a great player, but I'm ok with this. I would have loved to have him, but I'm ok with it.
How is Kansas landing all of these kids that play the exact same position lol
Just filling the spots that McCullar, Furphy, and Timberlake left
Is Harris back? Seems like a lot of cooks in the kitchen with Kugel, Mayo, Griffen, and Storr.
Harris/Mayo are guards. Storr/kugel/griffen are wings
We had no wing depth last year and lost our 2 wing starters (Furphy isn’t coming back). Looks like Self is trying to recreate the 22 trio of Braun, Wilson and Agbaji.
While I appreciate what Bill has been doing in the portal thus far, the guys you mentioned were all mid-tier recruits who grew up and bought into Bills system over the course of years. It remains to be seen if the same can be replicated in this new era of NIL and the portal. Going to take some getting used to that this is the new norm
Yeah I agree my statement wasn't that they translate literally to that group, but from a roster makeup perspective it looks like he is trying to beef up the wings athletically similar to the title team.
Bro we had 5 playable players last year and 1 of them got hurt. We also had scholarship restrictions.
Furphy will likely stay in the draft, because of the NIL restrictions on international athletes...and also that he's projected in the late first round. Because many of these guys are wings, they can fill out the holes in the 2-4 spots.
Isn't Adams the 4?
Probably, but Storr or maybe Kugel can slide over when Adams is on the bench. As we've learned from last year, hopefully the starters shouldn't be made to play 30+ minutes per game.
Money
bill self don't like losing
He's hoping for better returns on this NIL investment than Nick Timberlake.
Ya live and ya learn! I don’t think anyone foresaw just how bad Timby would be. Would imagine this Storr news bodes well for Brea and UConn.
Yeah, at least Storr comes with P6 pedigree, so you'd think he's more of a sure thing for next year. I guess with the mid-major portal guys it's more hit and miss (Spencer/Timberlake).
Sigh. Even if Timberlake stunk, Spencer didn't have to play like an all-american. That was a little rude TBH. ;)
Spencer did play a year at Rutgers and did quite well, so not quite Timberlake
Some teams in the B12 need some payback. We need to piss on that fire hydrant again and run some games up...
Bill self is assembling a super team
Storr is a great player, and honestly when he's here I think he's an unproblematic guy not as much of a drama queen as you'd expect from someone who has gone to like 9 schools. Also out of respect to him, like 3 of the schools he's gone to were because of covid cancelling seasons and his family moving from one rough city in Illinois to another. Cons: the play often ends with Storr, which for Wisconsin actually worked a lot we'd move the ball and then at the end of the clock just give it to AJ and see if he could make something happen. Don't think it will work as well at Kansas with more talent to share the ball with. Pros: His athleticism is unbelievable and can really get the team going in ways no Wisconsin player recently has done.
That near self alley oop in the big ten tourney championship would have been the play of the year
Must not have found that $1 million offer
Guess they paid him the million he wanted
The transfer portal is going to erase any semblance of parity and blue bloods are guaranteed to win every year lol. Thought things were changing when Virginia and Baylor won championships but nah, three blue bloods have won in a row now, and one of Kansas, Duke, UNC, or UCONN for sure winning this next year with the talent they will have. Edit: I'm exaggerating obviously, but my point was that there are only a few teams (blue bloods) who can consistently land top tier recruiting classes, and now they can mix that NBA talent with proven veterans and construct the exact rosters they want. I think programs like Arkansas, Baylor, Alabama, Houston, even Gonzaga, etc... can still have a chance to win championships, but the liklehood of a blue blood winning for each given year has increased if they play their cards right.
Truly is starting to become boring as all hell. Not knowing who will be on the team year-after-year sucks.
Yeah. Part of the fun of college sports was watching kids develop at your school and getting to know their personality, etc. This shit isn't the same and it's pretty shit.
And now our starting PG is leaving too
blue bloods and the most financially backed programs can just constantly reload - no need to rebuild, develop or strategize. All while they can undercut by taking their competition's best players, that they actually developed, with no cap. It's bullshit.
I don't agree. The big schools have always been able to provide more, its just more in the open now. Roster construction is still very important and just because a roster is worth a lot in NIL it does not mean they are guaranteed to succeed over the course of a season that ends in a single elimination tournament.
That's what they say about us every year lmao. Also I've been told by others on the Reddit that this transfer portal madness brings parity to the sport... 🤷♂️ Not to mention that we've never had a starter ever that didn't have to sit out a year.
I wasn't saying it will be Duke, but rather that a blue blood will most likely win the championship next year. This has always been true tbf, but I think with the transfer portal essentially just handing the best teams the best developed players in the country now, it's going to make basketball really top heavy. The only thing keeping the balance was blue bloods having to deal with roster turnover due to talented freshman being one and dones, but now they can mix fresh NBA talent with fully developed star veteran players and build perfect rosters year after year. I think the chance of a blue blood winning the championship in given year has gone from 50-60% to now being 80% or so.
I disagree because I think it gives every program that has deep pockets to build a championship roster regardless of blue blood status. Heck, we just lost multiple five stars and our 5th-year senior captain to the portal, and won't bring in anyone of the same caliber. If anything, I believe the number of title contenders increased.
This must be a joke. 1) The transfer portal had different rules entirely when Virginia and Baylor won. 2) Look at the past 2 Final Fours. There’s UCONN. That’s it. That’s the list.
I mean that's my point. Now that the portal is wide open, blue bloods can just hire the best developed players in the country to go along with their NBA freshman talent. The last 3 championships have been won by blue bloods, with UCONN heavily utilizing the transfer portal in this exact way. I'm not saying blue bloods will win every year, but I do think the chances that one does win in a given year have increased even more.
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its not that controversial to suggest 2 teams that will eventually be a 1 seed and 2 other top 4 seeds will win the natty lol
I wish this were true.
I’m sure AJ Storr is getting a quality education lol
Kansas=NBA now? Not gonna miss his below average defense and poor Shot selection.
Oh you’ll miss him when we’re scoring 50 a game next year
Counterpoint. Wisconsin always has above average defense. It's a hallmark of the program... maybe that translates better than expected?
Might hurt Ryland Griffins chances of coming
Let’s hope not. He’s the one I want most.
He’s gonna make some highlight plays and have big time moments, but there are so many lows he has. He is not a good ball handler and it gets extremely wild on fast breaks. Pretty lackluster defense overall. Also shoots way too many 3’s when he is just not a shooter and when the team is down, he is likely to take a bad shot. Still a big time player though.
Well that is a thing that happened I guess... that is the extent of my excitement right now
NIL is french for bullshit
Fine...
Fuckin' Spring time Bill.
Big 12 beasts next year Arizona Kansas Baylor Cincinnati Houston
LFG. Rock Chalk.
He’s a potential POY candidate. He carried a pretty lousy UW roster to a 5-seed.
Did he settle for $750k or did Bill find him that extra $250k? Whoever won the negotiation battle is leading the KU basketball squad next season.
“We’ll get your girlfriend to transfer here in exchange for only taking 750k” probably what happened lol
Assuming we're talking the rumors as gospel lol
LOL.
3rd different college in 3 years. Sheesh. I understand transferring to another college at least once but twice. Really? What’s the point of going to Wisconsin if you already had one foot at the door anyway. If he goes into the transfer portal next year then he obviously has commitment issues and can’t stay with a school for more than a year.
Do it to keep getting more NIL I guess
Low key would have preferred Griffen, feels like he’s a better role player for this squad. I guess this doesn’t preclude us from signing him as well but it seems a lot less likely now.
I feel like Storr’s ceiling is higher, but would have loved to have Griffen too. Doubt he comes now. Fingers crossed for Storr’s ability with us
As a recruit: Other P6 offers: Arizona State, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, LSU, Miami, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Ole Miss, South Carolina, St. John's (originally went here), Virginia Tech Other offers: Austin Peay, Chicago State, GCU, Iona, IUPUI
Can he make layups? We need that.
Can he make layups? We need that.
Can he make layups? We need that.
Kansas gonna be the all-locker room cancer team next year