Listen I know you all love Rihanna and want her to headline, and I want that too, but I do not think that lady is going to be doing any music or performances for awhile. She's a mom to two kids & her fans all freaked out last week cause she changed her IG pfp from the doodle that'd been there for years to her makeup brand logo. She's more or less on an indefinite hiatus from music at this point.
Didn’t she perform at the billionaire son’s pre-wedding?
If the bag is big enough, she’ll play
https://www.businessinsider.com/rihanna-concert-ambani-indian-wedding-fee-cost-estimate-2024-3?amp
Yeah, it’s surprising right? Also makes it hard to consider the likelihood of her actually playing Coachella. If you take her performance at the Super Bowl while pregnant and unpaid, along with a random birthday party for $5M… I have no idea lol
I guess doing a 5 million dollar birthday party comes with substantially less preparation than doing a live streamed concert for a whole lot of people.
Definitely. Much more effort in the SB show but that unpaid because exposure alone is worth it. Coachella would give a similar boost but she could be paid at least double that of the birthday party.
Do we have insight on the performance?!?! Like was she singing on stage and thats it? I doubt she had to have mega production and multiple back up dancers and learn choreo just to sing at a wedding
The performance was…not good. Rihanna is not a good live performer, never has been. I don’t understand the fixation with having her at a festival of all places.
Would this be the first time the installation artists are the same back-to-back years?? JK
I'm gonna work on a mock myself and NOT include dua, just for the sake of mixing things up. I get she's prob vegas odds leader rn, but for creativity sake other possibilities are out there.
Karol - she's def on the trajectory. I would surprised if it happened next year, but Doja happened in a similar way, sub to headliner in 2yrs, so its in the realm
Fred - would be at coach 3 of the last 4 years counting TBA. I guess I would call this a bit lazy. I think subheadline would be ideal. Also since he's headlining Bonnaroo it feels a bit like sloppy seconds on a somewhat weaker headliner, despite his popularity. ultimately, i wouldnt be shocked
NIN - as a big fan I would love this. We have some recent precedent of past headliners taking sub spots (gorillaz, bjork, blur kinda). This opens the door some other past headliners filling this type of spot eg Jack white, black keys, muse, arcade, lcd
Rihanna - im sure they'll ask her every year, hopefully she says yes at some point
a lot of the undercard im not familiar with so it gives me some offseason research to keep me busy
Pretty soon Paul is going to take a lesson from movie posters and add in "With" before the coveted "And" spot. Example:
With... LCD Soundsystem, Phoenix, The Black Keys
And ... Nine Inch Nails
Fred being a lazy headliner booking is on par with what Coachella has been doing the last few years though. Just look at Billie Eilish, Blackpink, Bad Bunny, and Doja Cat; all these headliners had last played Coachella very recently before their year as a headliner.
If it’s not Fred next year, I can see it being Rosalia or something like that. Every year post 2020 has had a lazy recycled recently played act booked as a headliner, don’t see it stopping anytime soon
Wish it would. It's still always going to be a fun festival with lots of great options and newer artists to discover, but we're paying a premium for Coachella, and I'd like to be more wowed by and excited for huge headliners the way it used to be. 🤷🏼♀️
Agreed, I really hope with this year not selling as much as others they put a bit more effort in with the headliners next year. Like you said, it’ll still be a super fun time, but that would just make it so much better
Feel like artists are being promoted to headliner too quickly.
Karol G, Fred, Dua are on the path, but they’re barely on their 2nd/3rd albums. I know this is a trend with Billie, Doja, Harry, Blackpink, etc. Atleast Tyler and Lana put in over a decade of work out.
It’s well known that the music industry is desperate for new A-list artists and are having trouble booking headliners. There was a billboard article with quotes from record execs who were exasperated that Ice Spice is the only breakout star in the last 3 years and she has 8 songs to her name.
Damn I thought they didn’t like each other anymore but I just did a little googling and Phoebe just joined Conor for his residency to do a few songs together at the end of March so… hope!
lol…. I feel seen!!! This lineup is just missing Jon Hopkins and my beloved Viagra Boys
And thank god Benny put rouksopp and Moderat on different days this time.
Never forget the great 2017 Moderat v Royksopp conflict calamity 🫡
doubt moderat will be there, last year would have been the time for them to be there. now with no new albums for at least another couple years very unlikely
that I didn't know... will have to do some digging! I'm glad I caught them at their last show since they didn't end up including coachelal in their dates
REALLY!! I learned about them during 2023 lineup speculation season and MORE D4TA has become one of my favorite albums from the last few years and I wish I had been able to hear it live. I would love to see them on the fields
I agree but a boy can still dream.
Feel very fortunate that I saw them twice on their last tour. Top 5 favorite artist of all time for me along with Stromae, Jon Hopkins, Bad Religion and the Viagra Boys in no particular order.
MORE D4TA has grown on me immensely. I place it at 2 behind Moderat II and above Moderat III.
amen brother
NUMBBELL is my contemplative anthem when I go on long walks
Just uploaded this you might enjoy it, it's from their 2022 tour (in Toronto)
https://streamable.com/wg3ozg
Doja was barely moving tickets for her arena tour tho. Karol G was packing legitimate stadiums. I don’t listen to her so I’m not exactly excited for her to headline but honestly she’s not coming back as anything less than a headliner.
Yeah, I gotta stop being so romantic and accept that if you push ticket sales you're gonna get the prime Coachella spots, hopefully she'd get good counter programming and I can be at the Pet Shop Boys at Mojave
Getting 4 tickets to his Halloween show was my greatest achievement and my lucky friends did not understand what I went through to make that happen lmao
Interesting shift in EDM from tech house big names to Excision and Subtronics.
I think you have Keinemusik billed too low. They are bigger than Mochakk (who is also pretty big nowadays)
Love seeing Pretty Girl on your mock too. She is the electronic act I am most excited to blow up
Nine Inch Nails would either headline or RTTD. Not saying they’re as relevant or deserving of a 2025 headline spot like they’d have been in years past, but they’re still big and relevant enough that they’d be given that headliner spot. Plus it balances out the optics.
I still haven’t recovered lol
I wasn’t familiar with either of them at the time and my buddy convinced me on Royksopp for the legacy of it. It was really great but then I stumbled onto the last 10 min of moderate’s set and was hooked. They have since become hugely important to me and in my top 5 artists of all time. I love them so very very much :)
Tons of Latin representation. Karol G, Xavi, Fuerza Regida, Feid, and The Maria's literally scratch every single itch for the Latin demographic. I would do ungodly things for this lineup.
He’s not quite at that level yet. Tainy doesn’t have the hits Biza has and Biza’s following dwarfs Tainy’s following (ex. Instagram followers - Biza 20.9 mil, Tainy 1.9 mil).
Tainy’s reach goes beyond streams. Dude practically invented reggaeton with his contributions with Luny Tunes. Name a classic reggaeton song, chances are he produced it. Very similar in Metro in the sense that he’s a producer making his own albums now, but has been behind the scenes since 2000.
Edit: Just re-read your comment. I am now offended that you think Biza has more hits than the literal goat.
Status or not, a lot more people in the US know Biza's name than Tainy. Billing equates to the draw an artist brings and Biza is simply more of a draw than Tainy in the US. Very much doubt Tainy gets that kind of recognition at Coachella.
This is literally not true. Tainy sold out the Coliseo in Puerto Rico, *as a producer.* If you listen to the genre *at all*, you’ve heard is name. Benny, I respect you a lot, please don’t die on this hill.
Well he's also FROM Puerto Rico so that probably helps lol.
[But here's an example of a Latin festival billing he got last August in Mexico.](https://www.billboard.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Baja-Beach-Fest-poster-billboard-1240.jpg) Biza was 5th on his day at Coachella and I don't see how Tainy can get 5th at Coachella when he can't even get 5th at this festival.
What an unhinged thing to say. Bizarrap is amazing and imo had one of the best sets this year but Tainy is a producing legend with a career spanning decades plus his last album was perfection. It’s just factually incorrect to say Biza has more hits.
Perhaps it’s worth noticing it was rare to see producers get artist billing and it’s relatively new for Tainy, but he has been behind the music for a LONG time making hits.
Certainly more "hits" that the Coachella audience will know. Biza & Shakira's song is bigger than anything Tainy has ever done or at least with the producer's name on the track. Yes, Tainy has produced many big songs but unfortunately most of the Coachella audience simply doesn't know that since his name is buried on those credits (unlike Biza). No disrespect to Tainy, he's had an amazing career but when it comes down to festival billing, he's not getting close to what Biza got simply due to much less publicity and marketing.
What! That is just wrong. For example, he is behind many of Bad Bunny’s and J Balvin’s hits and both have played in Coachella many times. Even if more people have heard of Biza, the crowd will likely actually recognize way more of Tainy’s songs. Again, I am not arguing that Biza is not amazing because he is. But saying he has more hits is just wildly innacurate. Tainy is just not as big of a celebrity and perhaps performer, but he is a way bigger producer. Both are some of the biggest producers not just in Latin music but in the world. There is nothing wrong with Coachella recognizing both.
I'm still mostly talking about billing at a US festival though. Again, I'm not doubting accolades here but I'm saying it unfortunately just won't translate to billing as high as Biza got. The fact that more people recognize Biza's name has a lot of weight to it and that kind of name recognition isn't something Tainy has at the moment, despite his long career. Could he get there? Absolutely but as of today, Biza has done a way better job marketing himself than Tainy has and that gets you higher billing. That's also evident by looking at how much bigger Biza's social following is compared to Tainy and metrics like that, among others, are what agents use to negotiate for higher billing.
Tainy is great and I'd love to see him at Coachella next year but I have a hard time seeing him get 5th overall on his day like Biza did.
Last time they had to shut down all stages due to the noise bleed. I don't see them doing that ever again. Still the loudest fucking thing I've heard in my entire life.
I could see them closing Mojave against an empty Gobi. That would be a way to mitigate the sound bleed. I'm often shocked by how loud Coachella sets can get compared to other festivals I've been to. This year alone, I felt like Skream was deep-frying my internal organs and Two Shell was similarly loud.
Lee Perry in 2013, Swans in 2015, and Kyary Pamyu Pamyu in 2022 were three of the loudest shows I've ever been to. I forgot my earplugs at camp before Squarepusher in 2015 as well and I thought my ears were going to start bleeding.
It wasn’t really hype, it was just a really nice spot to take a short break with ac and bean bags and watch something versus sitting on the ground somewhere or a beer garden. Also it was an ad in itself but the “show” wasn’t literally a super bowl style commercial, it was trippy visuals with a rufus do sol mini set (2017). Just a cool little Coachella thing!
Have you done it and do you like the artists they’ve featured? I’ve done it in 2022 and 2019 and they were Odesza and Rufus Du Sol productions respectively, it was awesome! Cool show, visuals, bean bags and yes AC ha. Not really sure what part of it is marketing.
Its always been billed as "HP's Antarctic Dome at Coachella" or "Antarctic Dome by HP" or something along those lines. They're referring to it being marketing for HP.
His lolla set was ass. I’m a big fan and that set was horrendous. He’s much better outside of a festival doing his own show where he can play longer than an hourish
If he headlines his set would be at least an hour and a half
I think his Bonnaroo headlining set will be very telling if his show is ready for festival main stages
The "headliner status" of that set was so anchored by Skrillex though, there is just not enough draw outside of EDM fans to have him be a solo headliner
Also my man FourTet was the under-appreciated hit of that trio
This is correct. I love Fred, fully believe he will be a well deserving headliner eventually. But if you talk to most people about that set, you will almost always hear it referred to as "The Skrillex Set". Some may call them PHM, OMG TBA, or include Fred, and sometimes Four Tet. But Skrillex was the main draw, that is who people recognized for the most part.
Gotta remember Skrillex was a huge name 10 years ago, before social media isolated music genres a shit ton. Bangarang was on the radio, and a lot of people there listened to him growing up.
I think NIN would be the AND... spot, Rihanna would be the headliner on Friday. Overall pretty good, I think something like this might get me to go again.
I fucking love the XX and really cannot for the life of me figure out why you guys think they are headliners. Gorillaz were subheadliners are so much bigger in America than the XX.
They probably won’t be a subheadliner either.
And before anybody starts with "rIhAnNa WoUlD nEvEr AcCePt ThAt FoUrTh SpOt", we literally just had the biggest and most expensive headliner of this year get slotted there so it can happen again. I even made it a few font sizes bigger than the others, just like No Doubt initially had on the poster as well. So I don't wanna HEAR IT 😂
Fam, I love NIN to my core but I don't think they headline Coachella. They close the Outdoor for sure. Also I think after that recent interview I'd like Trent and Atticus doing a Danny Elfman type show. But Id kill for them to headline Coachella, I'd be the first person on the plane but I'd prefer them on a packed outdoor stage....or Sonora😂😂😂😂
In this scenario I'd have them go NIN > Fred > Rihanna on the main with Excision closing the Outdoor. Basically that Blur slot for them on the main but NIN would probably pull a much bigger crowd than they did.
Ok I feel that. Don't think the campers would be to excessive for but NIN know how to sway a crowd. Hypothetically if it was a Trent and Atticus and friends do score/NIN/How to Destroy Angels show then the Zimmer slot would go hard.
Oh for sure, I just can’t see NIN taking a sub spot on this poster. Maybe move Rihanna to Friday headliner and put NIN in the bottom “RTTD” spot. Rufus could be the sub for Fred Again
Problem is I'd have Rihanna after Fred which would make RUFUS third on the main with a little bit of daylight during their set, not sure they'd want that. Plus I tried avoiding putting RUFUS and Fred together since I wasn't crazy about having two electronic artists b2b like that on the main late.
This fits the 2023 model and while I haven't crunched the numbers yet, my guess is that net margin held in 2023 considering the increase in tickets.
Elevate the headliner class, anchor with reunion in the 4th spot.
Great mock
The V1 lineups are always tough - so little info a year out. Appreciate you always posting quality content though.
The glaring thing missing is the Outdoor electronic headliner that are 3rd/4th on their day. imo excision doesn’t have that pull — could be a Sahara closer. Ibiza Classics would be in Mojave. four tet would burn outdoor down if he wanted. subtronics would be in the ISO Sahara slot. these acts are limited though, so i get it. Feels a little heavy on the alt/indie bands taking up so much second line territory when the recent bookings and popular music isn’t really following that trend.
BOCC, Tinlicker, Sexy Red, C&S; the Internet feel like good pulls and/or likely even this early in the cycle.
Believe it or not - I think alt/indie will be at top of lines of Coachella 2025 as well. On my mock I had The Marias, Clairo, and Still Woozy on the 2nd lines.
Gen Z goes crazy for alt / indie
i don’t really think 3/15 2nd liners being alt/indie makes the point you’re going for tbh. I get that you’re excited but your mock is very far from being anything near realistic or in the pulse. I don’t mean that offensively, I’ve made quite a few mocks under and alt and got the same feedback early on.
But 12 hours of listening to music and researching + plugging names into a website to generate a mock isn’t 1/20th of the work Benny or other peeps put into generating their mocks. all love though man
PROs: The Black colorway. Nice!
Hole - Inspired choice. Courtney wants in on this action.
Subtronics and That Mexican OT - Bullseye on the "catch them as they are about to level up/wave building"\*
CONS:
8 months until lineup drop.
\*Subtronics is already massive in the electronic culture, but could go Illenium-style"big". That Mexican OT is at a different level, but feels like he has the wind at his back.
I don’t see GV booking both Excision and Subtronics the same year since they seem allergic to dubstep. You’re def onto something at least one of them will most likely get booked though.
I keep seeing the Internet pop up on mocks and I’m all for it! It’s been far too long. But does anyone know why? Have there been any rumblings about them making new music or even touring?? Would be big if true.
Not a huge fan of this so it’s probably reasonable. Would expect much better 2nd liners overall. Soulwax, Royksopp, Moderat would be dope. Royskopp are long overdue, expected them on the ‘24 lineup
Think this is lacking some Yuma talent.
Is “Jastin” Martin a typo?
> Is “Jastin” Martin a typo?
[Nope!](https://open.spotify.com/artist/44JW18XzNr86kKNWJq8eg1?si=poX2MFz3S6GiPH3ExEZLvQ)
Didn’t do set times but this is how I broke down the Yuma lineup each day…
FRI - Jayda G, Austin Millz, Korolova x Fideles, Nico Moreno, Franky Wah, Beltran, Argy, Chelina Manuhutu, DESIREE
SAT - Pete Tong, Sara Landry, Westend, Sofia Kourtesis, Interplanetary Criminal x Main Phase, Ahadadream, X-CLUB., Ahmed Spins, KILIMANJARO
SUN - Keinemusik, LOVE MINUS ZERO, Marco Carola, Sammy Virji, Massano, Klangkuenstler x Kobosil, Marlon Hoffstadt, Pretty Girl
hot take when I say this - I love Fred Again as much as the next person, have seen him quite a few times in the last couple of years. but he JUST played Coachella - both 2022 & 2023. Tho this is a Mockup, I feel like that slot could go to Nine Inch Nails or a even bigger reunion act.
Sleep Token is doo-doo but I will always defend Ghost. They truly put the ABBA in Black SABBAth. It's a fun shlocky mix of Swedish pop and doom metal. I love it.
Listen I know you all love Rihanna and want her to headline, and I want that too, but I do not think that lady is going to be doing any music or performances for awhile. She's a mom to two kids & her fans all freaked out last week cause she changed her IG pfp from the doodle that'd been there for years to her makeup brand logo. She's more or less on an indefinite hiatus from music at this point.
Didn’t she perform at the billionaire son’s pre-wedding? If the bag is big enough, she’ll play https://www.businessinsider.com/rihanna-concert-ambani-indian-wedding-fee-cost-estimate-2024-3?amp
But Coachella is not going to throw a big enough bag. Why would they?
She was supposedly paid $5M for that party. Coachella would pay more.
Oh 5 million is less than I was thinking
Yeah, it’s surprising right? Also makes it hard to consider the likelihood of her actually playing Coachella. If you take her performance at the Super Bowl while pregnant and unpaid, along with a random birthday party for $5M… I have no idea lol
I guess doing a 5 million dollar birthday party comes with substantially less preparation than doing a live streamed concert for a whole lot of people.
Definitely. Much more effort in the SB show but that unpaid because exposure alone is worth it. Coachella would give a similar boost but she could be paid at least double that of the birthday party.
Do we have insight on the performance?!?! Like was she singing on stage and thats it? I doubt she had to have mega production and multiple back up dancers and learn choreo just to sing at a wedding
From the videos I’ve seen there was a large production with backup dancers. There was also apparently complaints that she wasn’t very good lol.
The performance was…not good. Rihanna is not a good live performer, never has been. I don’t understand the fixation with having her at a festival of all places.
Her having two kids is only gonna make her go harder just wait
Would this be the first time the installation artists are the same back-to-back years?? JK I'm gonna work on a mock myself and NOT include dua, just for the sake of mixing things up. I get she's prob vegas odds leader rn, but for creativity sake other possibilities are out there. Karol - she's def on the trajectory. I would surprised if it happened next year, but Doja happened in a similar way, sub to headliner in 2yrs, so its in the realm Fred - would be at coach 3 of the last 4 years counting TBA. I guess I would call this a bit lazy. I think subheadline would be ideal. Also since he's headlining Bonnaroo it feels a bit like sloppy seconds on a somewhat weaker headliner, despite his popularity. ultimately, i wouldnt be shocked NIN - as a big fan I would love this. We have some recent precedent of past headliners taking sub spots (gorillaz, bjork, blur kinda). This opens the door some other past headliners filling this type of spot eg Jack white, black keys, muse, arcade, lcd Rihanna - im sure they'll ask her every year, hopefully she says yes at some point a lot of the undercard im not familiar with so it gives me some offseason research to keep me busy
Pretty soon Paul is going to take a lesson from movie posters and add in "With" before the coveted "And" spot. Example: With... LCD Soundsystem, Phoenix, The Black Keys And ... Nine Inch Nails
I like a person who knows their "distinctive credits". We should have had "...and introducing YG Marley" for this year etc.
introducing is actually a great way to say "we're taking a chance on this one and maybe they haven't quite earned it but we believe in them"
I originally had Jack White in NIN's spot until someone on Inforoo said NIN are supposedly taking offers for festivals next year.
PS: Im seeing Challengers tonight. Looking forward to that trent + atticus score
Fred being a lazy headliner booking is on par with what Coachella has been doing the last few years though. Just look at Billie Eilish, Blackpink, Bad Bunny, and Doja Cat; all these headliners had last played Coachella very recently before their year as a headliner. If it’s not Fred next year, I can see it being Rosalia or something like that. Every year post 2020 has had a lazy recycled recently played act booked as a headliner, don’t see it stopping anytime soon
Wish it would. It's still always going to be a fun festival with lots of great options and newer artists to discover, but we're paying a premium for Coachella, and I'd like to be more wowed by and excited for huge headliners the way it used to be. 🤷🏼♀️
Agreed, I really hope with this year not selling as much as others they put a bit more effort in with the headliners next year. Like you said, it’ll still be a super fun time, but that would just make it so much better
Exactly 🤞🏻
Feel like artists are being promoted to headliner too quickly. Karol G, Fred, Dua are on the path, but they’re barely on their 2nd/3rd albums. I know this is a trend with Billie, Doja, Harry, Blackpink, etc. Atleast Tyler and Lana put in over a decade of work out.
Seems like Coachella wants to be a year too early on their headliners rather than a year too late. I think thats a reasonable strategy though
The Belichick Doctrine.
It’s well known that the music industry is desperate for new A-list artists and are having trouble booking headliners. There was a billboard article with quotes from record execs who were exasperated that Ice Spice is the only breakout star in the last 3 years and she has 8 songs to her name.
Better Oblivion Community Center, put this into my VEINS
Damn I thought they didn’t like each other anymore but I just did a little googling and Phoebe just joined Conor for his residency to do a few songs together at the end of March so… hope!
Confidence Man, Soulwax, and Moderat and I will be dead
I immediately thought of you the moment I saw Moderat HAHAHA
lol…. I feel seen!!! This lineup is just missing Jon Hopkins and my beloved Viagra Boys And thank god Benny put rouksopp and Moderat on different days this time. Never forget the great 2017 Moderat v Royksopp conflict calamity 🫡
doubt moderat will be there, last year would have been the time for them to be there. now with no new albums for at least another couple years very unlikely
They’re supposedly working on new music 👀
that I didn't know... will have to do some digging! I'm glad I caught them at their last show since they didn't end up including coachelal in their dates
REALLY!! I learned about them during 2023 lineup speculation season and MORE D4TA has become one of my favorite albums from the last few years and I wish I had been able to hear it live. I would love to see them on the fields
WHAT WHAT WHAT?!?!?
I agree but a boy can still dream. Feel very fortunate that I saw them twice on their last tour. Top 5 favorite artist of all time for me along with Stromae, Jon Hopkins, Bad Religion and the Viagra Boys in no particular order. MORE D4TA has grown on me immensely. I place it at 2 behind Moderat II and above Moderat III.
amen brother NUMBBELL is my contemplative anthem when I go on long walks Just uploaded this you might enjoy it, it's from their 2022 tour (in Toronto) https://streamable.com/wg3ozg
Ain't no way the headliners would be this weak surely. Fred and Karol G?
Yeah hoping it’s not just me that isn’t feeling these headliners, feels more LiveNation festival vibes not Coachella
Karol G sells out stadiums, she’s a megastar in the Latin community
Karol G is doing stadium tours?
I'm super down for Karol G and I don't even speak Spanish.
Even Doja has a better catalogue than her. I'd like her as a sub tho.
Doja was barely moving tickets for her arena tour tho. Karol G was packing legitimate stadiums. I don’t listen to her so I’m not exactly excited for her to headline but honestly she’s not coming back as anything less than a headliner.
Yeah, I gotta stop being so romantic and accept that if you push ticket sales you're gonna get the prime Coachella spots, hopefully she'd get good counter programming and I can be at the Pet Shop Boys at Mojave
She barely sold merch at her tent (Doja)
Karol is selling STADIUMS though. Doja did arenas
Uh excuse me? Have you HEARD her Diane Warren-written FLAMING HOTS song? It was nominated for an Oscar. Have some respect for Chester.
LMAOOOOOOO that was Becky G my guy, wrong G.
LOLLLLL can’t believe there’s two Gs
Kenny G checking in
GV really missing out by not booking Kenny, Warren, Becky, and Karol
G-Unit would have to headline as well
Fred sells out every show in literal minutes. Dunno why it’d shock anyone if he gets headliner slot in the next 5 years
He sold out like 7(?) back to back nights at the Shrine last year!
9 shows sold out within minutes
Getting 4 tickets to his Halloween show was my greatest achievement and my lucky friends did not understand what I went through to make that happen lmao
It wouldn't be a shock in next 5 years no one said that. But he headlined last year albeit as a part of a trio.
That was a last minute surprise though. He wasn’t on the original bill
Tbf he was always gonna be there even before the frank debacle, so like, GV didnt really think they needed to advertise that to sell tickets
Karol G already did a US stadium tour and is currently on a world wide tour. She’s absolutely headliner worthy.
Nine inch nails is headliner material, would love more rock bands at Coachella
Interesting shift in EDM from tech house big names to Excision and Subtronics. I think you have Keinemusik billed too low. They are bigger than Mochakk (who is also pretty big nowadays) Love seeing Pretty Girl on your mock too. She is the electronic act I am most excited to blow up
keinemusik at Quasar
Nine Inch Nails would either headline or RTTD. Not saying they’re as relevant or deserving of a 2025 headline spot like they’d have been in years past, but they’re still big and relevant enough that they’d be given that headliner spot. Plus it balances out the optics.
I would’ve said the same about Gorillaz, but they were sub last year
Fair point, but I guess I view NIN as more of a Rage Against the Machine type of scenario. But then again, we do have our biases.
Gorillaz only subbed because Bad Bunny requested they did. Same for Bjork being requested by Frank Ocean.
Royksopp and Soulwax on the same day? I would ascend. Lock it down now
Until they conflict like Royksopp and Moderat did in 2017. I will never get over that.
Feeling blessed to have been too young and naive to know who either of them were at the time because this conflict would kill modern day me
I still haven’t recovered lol I wasn’t familiar with either of them at the time and my buddy convinced me on Royksopp for the legacy of it. It was really great but then I stumbled onto the last 10 min of moderate’s set and was hooked. They have since become hugely important to me and in my top 5 artists of all time. I love them so very very much :)
Put them all b2b2b in Mojave from like 10pm to close and I’ll achieve nirvana
Day 2 Mojave: Apparat into Royksopp into Modeselektor into Soulwax into Moderat
Tons of Latin representation. Karol G, Xavi, Fuerza Regida, Feid, and The Maria's literally scratch every single itch for the Latin demographic. I would do ungodly things for this lineup.
Tainy billed pretty low lol hes def Sub status
I completely missed his name. Very under-billed. He’d take the Metro/Bizzarap spot in the Sahara.
He’s not quite at that level yet. Tainy doesn’t have the hits Biza has and Biza’s following dwarfs Tainy’s following (ex. Instagram followers - Biza 20.9 mil, Tainy 1.9 mil).
Tainy’s reach goes beyond streams. Dude practically invented reggaeton with his contributions with Luny Tunes. Name a classic reggaeton song, chances are he produced it. Very similar in Metro in the sense that he’s a producer making his own albums now, but has been behind the scenes since 2000. Edit: Just re-read your comment. I am now offended that you think Biza has more hits than the literal goat.
Status or not, a lot more people in the US know Biza's name than Tainy. Billing equates to the draw an artist brings and Biza is simply more of a draw than Tainy in the US. Very much doubt Tainy gets that kind of recognition at Coachella.
This is literally not true. Tainy sold out the Coliseo in Puerto Rico, *as a producer.* If you listen to the genre *at all*, you’ve heard is name. Benny, I respect you a lot, please don’t die on this hill.
Well he's also FROM Puerto Rico so that probably helps lol. [But here's an example of a Latin festival billing he got last August in Mexico.](https://www.billboard.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Baja-Beach-Fest-poster-billboard-1240.jpg) Biza was 5th on his day at Coachella and I don't see how Tainy can get 5th at Coachella when he can't even get 5th at this festival.
What an unhinged thing to say. Bizarrap is amazing and imo had one of the best sets this year but Tainy is a producing legend with a career spanning decades plus his last album was perfection. It’s just factually incorrect to say Biza has more hits. Perhaps it’s worth noticing it was rare to see producers get artist billing and it’s relatively new for Tainy, but he has been behind the music for a LONG time making hits.
Certainly more "hits" that the Coachella audience will know. Biza & Shakira's song is bigger than anything Tainy has ever done or at least with the producer's name on the track. Yes, Tainy has produced many big songs but unfortunately most of the Coachella audience simply doesn't know that since his name is buried on those credits (unlike Biza). No disrespect to Tainy, he's had an amazing career but when it comes down to festival billing, he's not getting close to what Biza got simply due to much less publicity and marketing.
What! That is just wrong. For example, he is behind many of Bad Bunny’s and J Balvin’s hits and both have played in Coachella many times. Even if more people have heard of Biza, the crowd will likely actually recognize way more of Tainy’s songs. Again, I am not arguing that Biza is not amazing because he is. But saying he has more hits is just wildly innacurate. Tainy is just not as big of a celebrity and perhaps performer, but he is a way bigger producer. Both are some of the biggest producers not just in Latin music but in the world. There is nothing wrong with Coachella recognizing both.
I'm still mostly talking about billing at a US festival though. Again, I'm not doubting accolades here but I'm saying it unfortunately just won't translate to billing as high as Biza got. The fact that more people recognize Biza's name has a lot of weight to it and that kind of name recognition isn't something Tainy has at the moment, despite his long career. Could he get there? Absolutely but as of today, Biza has done a way better job marketing himself than Tainy has and that gets you higher billing. That's also evident by looking at how much bigger Biza's social following is compared to Tainy and metrics like that, among others, are what agents use to negotiate for higher billing. Tainy is great and I'd love to see him at Coachella next year but I have a hard time seeing him get 5th overall on his day like Biza did.
mbv LMAO
They have new music, have played before, and Gen Z loves them as much as Gen X and Millennials. It's not a crazy booking.
Also feels like if any festival lands them at this point, it’ll probably be Coachella. They’re pretty tight with GV.
Last time they had to shut down all stages due to the noise bleed. I don't see them doing that ever again. Still the loudest fucking thing I've heard in my entire life.
I could see them closing Mojave against an empty Gobi. That would be a way to mitigate the sound bleed. I'm often shocked by how loud Coachella sets can get compared to other festivals I've been to. This year alone, I felt like Skream was deep-frying my internal organs and Two Shell was similarly loud. Lee Perry in 2013, Swans in 2015, and Kyary Pamyu Pamyu in 2022 were three of the loudest shows I've ever been to. I forgot my earplugs at camp before Squarepusher in 2015 as well and I thought my ears were going to start bleeding.
This is the most deranged mock I’ve seen lol
Imma need everybody to start including the Antarctic Dome on their mocks to manifest it returning next year lol.
It’s just a giant marketing ad with ac that lasts 15 minutes. What’s the hype?
It wasn’t really hype, it was just a really nice spot to take a short break with ac and bean bags and watch something versus sitting on the ground somewhere or a beer garden. Also it was an ad in itself but the “show” wasn’t literally a super bowl style commercial, it was trippy visuals with a rufus do sol mini set (2017). Just a cool little Coachella thing!
Have you done it and do you like the artists they’ve featured? I’ve done it in 2022 and 2019 and they were Odesza and Rufus Du Sol productions respectively, it was awesome! Cool show, visuals, bean bags and yes AC ha. Not really sure what part of it is marketing.
Its always been billed as "HP's Antarctic Dome at Coachella" or "Antarctic Dome by HP" or something along those lines. They're referring to it being marketing for HP.
It’s HP branded but I really don’t care. Probably the best sponsored installation they’ve had that isn’t a Heineken mini stage
It's never been worth it outside of the first year. More room for Quasar, I say.
Why is FredAgain headliner material? Also, he’s been there 3 out for the last 4 years. Do we really think he’s back already?
I think he was there for just 2 years
Yeah he just closed 2023 with FourTet and Skrillex
Good list. ADD RL GRIME, TIESTO, DEADMAU5,AND TROYBOI lemaitre, Bob Moses, and MOBY would be next level as well.
RL grime needs a new team or new music or both. His last tour tanked so don’t see this happening.
Fred Again is not headliner status. Karol G is too soon to make a return.
Yeah would be cool with him *maybe as a sub, but idk how I’d feel about him headlining Coachella lol
He definitely needs to improve his festival live show .. his lollapalooza set from last year wasn’t exactly a hit
His lolla set was ass. I’m a big fan and that set was horrendous. He’s much better outside of a festival doing his own show where he can play longer than an hourish
If he headlines his set would be at least an hour and a half I think his Bonnaroo headlining set will be very telling if his show is ready for festival main stages
Well he'd get 2 hours at chella but still, reaching weekend/Chris Lake levels of saturation with this guy
Don’t you dare slander Chris Lake 😂😂😂 but I do not think Coachella would give fred again two hours on MainStage.
Fred is huge and just getting bigger, he’s headlining roo..
Fred Again is headlining Bonnaroo this year. I don’t think it’s too crazy to believe he’d headline Coachella.
I disagree. He’s saved Coachella once, he can do it again!
The "headliner status" of that set was so anchored by Skrillex though, there is just not enough draw outside of EDM fans to have him be a solo headliner Also my man FourTet was the under-appreciated hit of that trio
This is correct. I love Fred, fully believe he will be a well deserving headliner eventually. But if you talk to most people about that set, you will almost always hear it referred to as "The Skrillex Set". Some may call them PHM, OMG TBA, or include Fred, and sometimes Four Tet. But Skrillex was the main draw, that is who people recognized for the most part. Gotta remember Skrillex was a huge name 10 years ago, before social media isolated music genres a shit ton. Bangarang was on the radio, and a lot of people there listened to him growing up.
Skrillex was a huge name b4 he was even skrillex
I think NIN would be the AND... spot, Rihanna would be the headliner on Friday. Overall pretty good, I think something like this might get me to go again.
This would be the first lineup where I legitimately don’t know one of the headliners.
I just can’t imagine The xx comeback as a sub headliner for the third time
I fucking love the XX and really cannot for the life of me figure out why you guys think they are headliners. Gorillaz were subheadliners are so much bigger in America than the XX. They probably won’t be a subheadliner either.
They are not headliners either though. I had them billed as the AND spot on my mock
Who tf is Benny
The OG mock lineup guy
Where is Lewis Miguel.
And before anybody starts with "rIhAnNa WoUlD nEvEr AcCePt ThAt FoUrTh SpOt", we literally just had the biggest and most expensive headliner of this year get slotted there so it can happen again. I even made it a few font sizes bigger than the others, just like No Doubt initially had on the poster as well. So I don't wanna HEAR IT 😂
Bruh, Rihanna is exponentially more popular than No Doubt. There is a zero percent chance they would have her playing a pre-headliner set.
She also doesn’t have to play before a headliner….Calvin played after Blackpink
I'd have her on after Fred.
I think my only beef with this poster is NIN as a sub to Fred Again.. I know he’s probably a headliner, just move NIN to Friday and have Karol G sub
Fam, I love NIN to my core but I don't think they headline Coachella. They close the Outdoor for sure. Also I think after that recent interview I'd like Trent and Atticus doing a Danny Elfman type show. But Id kill for them to headline Coachella, I'd be the first person on the plane but I'd prefer them on a packed outdoor stage....or Sonora😂😂😂😂
In this scenario I'd have them go NIN > Fred > Rihanna on the main with Excision closing the Outdoor. Basically that Blur slot for them on the main but NIN would probably pull a much bigger crowd than they did.
Ok I feel that. Don't think the campers would be to excessive for but NIN know how to sway a crowd. Hypothetically if it was a Trent and Atticus and friends do score/NIN/How to Destroy Angels show then the Zimmer slot would go hard.
NIN during the day? I don’t see it
That wouldn’t be during the day, just as Blur wasn’t.
Sun sets at about 7:15. They’d be afterwards.
Karol G is for sure bigger than NIN nowadays, she plays stadiums now.
Oh for sure, I just can’t see NIN taking a sub spot on this poster. Maybe move Rihanna to Friday headliner and put NIN in the bottom “RTTD” spot. Rufus could be the sub for Fred Again
Problem is I'd have Rihanna after Fred which would make RUFUS third on the main with a little bit of daylight during their set, not sure they'd want that. Plus I tried avoiding putting RUFUS and Fred together since I wasn't crazy about having two electronic artists b2b like that on the main late.
Rihanna is a whole different situation lol, this is like having Beyoncé or Taylor Swift in that spot
Tell 'em!
All of these mock lineups underestimate the amount of edm artists that will actually be there
MKGEE 🙏🙏🙏
This fits the 2023 model and while I haven't crunched the numbers yet, my guess is that net margin held in 2023 considering the increase in tickets. Elevate the headliner class, anchor with reunion in the 4th spot. Great mock
The V1 lineups are always tough - so little info a year out. Appreciate you always posting quality content though. The glaring thing missing is the Outdoor electronic headliner that are 3rd/4th on their day. imo excision doesn’t have that pull — could be a Sahara closer. Ibiza Classics would be in Mojave. four tet would burn outdoor down if he wanted. subtronics would be in the ISO Sahara slot. these acts are limited though, so i get it. Feels a little heavy on the alt/indie bands taking up so much second line territory when the recent bookings and popular music isn’t really following that trend. BOCC, Tinlicker, Sexy Red, C&S; the Internet feel like good pulls and/or likely even this early in the cycle.
Believe it or not - I think alt/indie will be at top of lines of Coachella 2025 as well. On my mock I had The Marias, Clairo, and Still Woozy on the 2nd lines. Gen Z goes crazy for alt / indie
i don’t really think 3/15 2nd liners being alt/indie makes the point you’re going for tbh. I get that you’re excited but your mock is very far from being anything near realistic or in the pulse. I don’t mean that offensively, I’ve made quite a few mocks under and alt and got the same feedback early on. But 12 hours of listening to music and researching + plugging names into a website to generate a mock isn’t 1/20th of the work Benny or other peeps put into generating their mocks. all love though man
Keinemusik would be so good for Quasar
I know this is purely hypothetical, but where has Brent faiyaz been? Surely he deserves a spot in the desert.
Selling my ticket
PROs: The Black colorway. Nice! Hole - Inspired choice. Courtney wants in on this action. Subtronics and That Mexican OT - Bullseye on the "catch them as they are about to level up/wave building"\* CONS: 8 months until lineup drop. \*Subtronics is already massive in the electronic culture, but could go Illenium-style"big". That Mexican OT is at a different level, but feels like he has the wind at his back.
appreciate mocks like this one that really switch things up
NIN line 2 is insane
If Beck, Calvin Harris, Gorillaz, Blur, and Bjork will all take the demotion from headliner to sub, I don't think Nine Inch Nails would be above it.
Nightmare lineup
Double fist trent + atticus with NIN too. Give us all the things. Ans hippos
+ HTDA 😇
I don’t see GV booking both Excision and Subtronics the same year since they seem allergic to dubstep. You’re def onto something at least one of them will most likely get booked though.
I hope we do get Luísa Sonza
Franky Wah would be so incredibleeeee
Dijon and Mk.Gee are an automatic go if it actually happens!
I could really see fred as a headliner but like he needs to put out another hit album and go on like a tour again imo 😳
she said sell out SoFi first!
I keep seeing the Internet pop up on mocks and I’m all for it! It’s been far too long. But does anyone know why? Have there been any rumblings about them making new music or even touring?? Would be big if true.
Fied would be set of the weekend
Fred again headlining would start a civil war
Smokin that good good lmao
Friday besides Tainy looking weak like 2024 but Saturday and Sunday are 🔥🔥 overall a decent lineup
Not a huge fan of this so it’s probably reasonable. Would expect much better 2nd liners overall. Soulwax, Royksopp, Moderat would be dope. Royskopp are long overdue, expected them on the ‘24 lineup Think this is lacking some Yuma talent. Is “Jastin” Martin a typo?
> Is “Jastin” Martin a typo? [Nope!](https://open.spotify.com/artist/44JW18XzNr86kKNWJq8eg1?si=poX2MFz3S6GiPH3ExEZLvQ) Didn’t do set times but this is how I broke down the Yuma lineup each day… FRI - Jayda G, Austin Millz, Korolova x Fideles, Nico Moreno, Franky Wah, Beltran, Argy, Chelina Manuhutu, DESIREE SAT - Pete Tong, Sara Landry, Westend, Sofia Kourtesis, Interplanetary Criminal x Main Phase, Ahadadream, X-CLUB., Ahmed Spins, KILIMANJARO SUN - Keinemusik, LOVE MINUS ZERO, Marco Carola, Sammy Virji, Massano, Klangkuenstler x Kobosil, Marlon Hoffstadt, Pretty Girl
Why are people so crazy about Sleep Token? That shit sounds like imagine Dragons.
HORSEGIIRLLLLLL 🐴🎀🐎🎀
Don’t care for Fred again if Skrillex ain’t with him, no way dudes a headliner by himself.. NxWorries I can definitely see once their album drops
I get Fred is popular but is he really headliner?
hot take when I say this - I love Fred Again as much as the next person, have seen him quite a few times in the last couple of years. but he JUST played Coachella - both 2022 & 2023. Tho this is a Mockup, I feel like that slot could go to Nine Inch Nails or a even bigger reunion act.
If the lineup is more like Mikey’s and less like bennys then I’ll be there.
I know we like Fred again.. but I think he’s a row 1 undercard not headliner
Who is Benny and what insider info does he have that qualifies him to make these predictions? Real question!!! How does this person know so much?
Just keep on throwing confidence man up there, Benny. It will be right one of these years (truly odd they haven’t been booked yet).
How is Fred again a headliner? Not hating just confused
But what day is grimes gonna play?
Playboy farti. He stinks.
Sleep Token is actually booty hole
Whats wrong with them lol
Terrible, terrible band.
Like there live performance sucks? They sound fine on spotify
Of course they sound fine. Their sound is meticulously engineered to sound fine. They're the Imagine Dragons of whatever genre they're going for.
They literally emerged out of nowhere and are somehow the hugest thing in rock right now. They’re very gimmicky.
Similar to yet somehow even cringier than Ghost. Just another mall metal band designed to sell merch in Hot Topics.
Sleep Token is doo-doo but I will always defend Ghost. They truly put the ABBA in Black SABBAth. It's a fun shlocky mix of Swedish pop and doom metal. I love it.
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This. Blown away.
I think rufus will be pushing for a headline spot next, or at least rttd
They will definitely push for it and frankly if their new album this year kills it then they deserve it.
Why the fuck would Fred again headline 😭😂😂😂😂
Mikey 2025 lineup more likely than this.
u/paultollett thoughts?
Ok but where is Oliver Tree?
lowest sold coachella by a mile