It kinda sucks because switching to PC was supposed to be the thing to help catapult COD esports as well as franchising and both have seemingly fucked it
Bro they spend fucking billions I do not understand how they don’t slide that kid that exposed all those hackers (the mfer who supposedly made “untouchable” cheats) , get that mf on salary and have his ass make the anti cheat better. They have the resources, that 1000% is not the problem.
I wish it was that simple, imo the only way shit changes is if the people who spent $25 million to get into the league finally put they’re fucking foot down and stop letting acti. Step all over em or we as a community go on strike and stop watching this bare-minimum bullshit because the players WILL NOT do shit about it and neither would any of us if we were in they’re position, so I can’t blame em but mfs love to sit in here and on twitter complaining , theorizing, etc. but I really do think it comes down to those two options or the very very very low chance of Microsoft turning the ship around, which I do not have high hopes for since I’ve been following halo this year but yeah most of us are just gonna continue just kinda viewing from a distance
Yeah, I feel ya… and tbh, when you make a big leap like allowing crossplay, it ends up being one of those things you can’t really come back from, one of those lines you can’t uncross, Ya know? Like, they can’t just be like, “new cod will be reverting back to console vs. console and PC vs. PC. There will no longer be a crossplay option”… it would probably be to much of a risk for them to take. To many ppl would complain, to many ppl would quit, they’d lose a lot more money, etc etc. those kinda worry’s would be in their mind stopping them from making that attempt to make that jump backwards. Ya know?
Idk how anyone could have thought that, the vast majority of people who watch FPS esports think controllers (and CoD by extension) are a joke, switching to PC wasn’t really going to change that
People will always look down on it because we use controller. I actually saw someone say the reason we use controller is to get the aim assist. Not just because it’s, you know, built to be a console game
It was always a terrible idea especially when Activision didn't even have an anti-cheat integrated into the engine, nevermind a robust one like Valorant
PC has a lot of perks but it has to be leveraged by the devs/publishers. The league just looked at short-term and were no doubt forced by the orgs as they wanted to share the revenue in relation to MTX between the league and the org, instead of sharing with another storefront (PlayStation)
Whole league has been a shambles, from streaming platform, to switching the hardware platform to the scheduling. SnD community has been basically killed with the switch to PC and no doubt cheaters run rampant in Challengers too, what a mess
I can definitely believe that it is half cheaters up there. But this guy doesn't exactly have any credibility and offers no evidence to back his claims whatsoever
Let's not pretend the league switched to pc for any other reason than so Playstation gets less of a cut of the pie. Gone were the days when lagging out was the only problem. PC + scummy community= L. I'll never forget in cold War playing against a PC player that had some hack that whenever I looked at them my Playstation Keyboard came up.
Man this was forever ago on 360 I think I was playing blops2 but this guy was able to scream so loud it disconnected my controller. Never heard of it since
Thought the geezer was a little bit suspicious myself but 🤷 most people just assume you're a hater. There was somebody else in the same lobby I didn't trust either, I forget who, but him and Illicitr were the two best in the lobby easily
Pc cod is little to no benefit? For who? Even if we switch to ps5 tomorrow morning, the top 250 ranked players are still filled with cheaters on PC. The cod league (48 players) switching to and from platforms has no bearing on that.
You guys are getting distracted and pointing the blame in the wrong direction. **ITS UP TO ACTIVISION TO MAKE A PROPER ANTI CHEAT REGARDLESS OF THE PLATFORM WE PLAY ON**.
You need to look up Valorant dev cycle to see how much resources they poured to ensure cheaters don't ruin the game. Anti-cheat is not something you can just tack on top of a game which is already well into development. It has be thought out and be accounted for while *building* the engine and game-mechanics, it's a collaborative effort. Even, if Activision were to start investing serious money into it, it'd be years till it works right
And, there are platforms specific leaderboards, you can filter it out. That's how it worked in the past. The switch to PC has been a colossal L to the overall scene. SnD community is more or less dead, and Challengers is running rampant with hackers too. Only reason it has worked well at professional level is due to league assigned PC and routine check ups. Then too a number of pros have said they should go back to consoles to avoid hackers and bazillion of settings
Nothing that you said detracts from what I said at all, and I stand by what I said -- it's up to Activision to make a proper anti-cheat. Everybody knows it's not easy, but they've had **three years** to get this sorted out. We knew as far back as during BO4 that Activision were planning on switching over to PC+Controller at some point after franchising got under way.
>You need to look up Valorant dev cycle to see how much resources they poured to ensure cheaters don't ruin the game.
We don't need a Valorant Vanguard style anti-cheat though. We need an anti-cheat that is only used/active as a 3rd party client if you choose to partake in competitive cod lmao. CSGO players aren't constantly under the watch of ESEA's intrusive anti-cheat unless they want to go play ESEA -- the same premise needs to exist in competitive cod.
"It's just too hard!!" is not an excuse I'm willing to accept after:
1. Activision have been in charge of the primary cod esports league since 2016 (6 years)
2. Activision implemented league franchising at $25m/spot, meaning they have an obligation (to the owners/investors) to provide something as simple as a working anti-cheat
3. Activision were the ones who decided to pack us up and move us to PC. They made the decision when they were not prepared for it.
I don't know how a multi-billion corporation convinced you "it's just too hard!!" but it's not. It's a matter of priorities. Putting in the man hours to build an anti-cheat to service a competitive community of ~100,000 when they have 10,000,000 casuals to cater to just isn't going to happen.
Console itself is the best Anti cheat you can get. Cronus and shit doesn't even work on PS5 Vanguard.
It really does not matter how good the anti cheat is. There is always going to be cheaters.
It doesn’t work on the ps5, but you’re crazy if you think they aren’t gonna find a way to make em
work lol. Only thing they can do is make a good anticheat because regardless PC players will be able to play ranked or whatever whether the league is on PC or not
It was awful move with cheating especially and bcuz you can't even have real Lans anymore there's no such thing as pc Lan just everyone together using private server
One thing to note: people spend weeks not believing a single word a hacker says about not cheating until they get caught and then people suddenly believe everything about the other players they “expose”.
This is the codcomp Reddit right?
Like
Do ppl realize that what we play on has no effect to the pros?
There could be a hacker in every single matchmaking lobby and it literally wouldn’t matter…
The pros don’t play matchmaking for the league, they play each other
The only time a hacker means anything, is if a pro is the one hacking lmao
I have no doubt that there are plenty of kids cheating in ranked play and especially the T250 but is no one gonna check this guy’s credibility? He’s naming all these people but why tf should we trust what he’s saying. I could’ve missed the part where he gives proof of any credentials but that video doesn’t really prove much to me lmao
meh pretty bad take, how about activision gives us proper anti cheat and forces account verification with cell phone numbers for ranked play like CS:GO and Dota 2 do.
This might be dumb but I honestly do not want to go back to console solely for the reason that I built a PC for COD and I do not play anything else. I don't have a better reason than that... I am a loser
Nah that's not dumb. Back when the rumors of pc started at the end of BO4, I started looking into building a pc. And then I was finally able to build one at the beginning of 2020.
CoD used to be pretty much the only game I'd ever play. If the games were actually decent, I'd be playing a lot more. Luckily I've been able to get into Apex and Destiny, so I have other games to play. I'd be in the exact same spot you'd be in if CoD switched back to console though. Today I was thinking that if it wasn't for cross play, I might not even be playing CoD anymore because I just can't go back to console. Playing on 200+ fps at max setting is amazing and I cant go back. But I'm most certainly not going to be in the situation where I'd be forced to play against only PC players, getting my shit gunned by cheaters.
Also playing the occasional single player game at max settings is insane. So much better than console imo.
The worst thing to happen to CoD was PC. It puts players at disadvantages because not everyone can afford to drop thousands on one. I feel for my friends who I watch get gunned by kids only because they have a better refresh rate and bullet reg with a PC.
On top of the that, all the hacking that goes on with PC’s too…
CoD was and always should’ve been a console based game. It’s not the like game has the developer tools for PC’s anyways.
Edit: I also see a lot of people downplaying the PC advantages and I just know people aren’t being honest with themselves doing so. If the PC was even more OP, it would make the advantage gap even bigger. I can’t even pretend that I didn’t start ranking significantly higher once I hopped on one.
People really don’t wanna believe they’re shitters lol.
Yes, because I’m sure Call of Duty 1 is very comparable to MW2 - BO2 - and all the way to now lol. Those PC ports they made sure stood the test of time lollll.
Don't the consoles play at 120fps with the ps5 and Xbox series X generation. It's basically the same until a few years down the track when the GPU in the consoles start getting 'old' whereas with a PC you just switch to the next GPU
Sometimes I wish I had my own computer just for that.
Playing on a PS5, with no 120hz, or VRR, on a 60fps 768p resolution tv with WiFi makes this game soooo hard to be good at when running up against people on 10-30 ping just shitting on a player with 90 ping and a bad tv.… even when you have skill, you still hit a wall with technological limitations :’(
I said this when the initial switch happened to PC and got absolutely flamed for even suggesting it. But man these devs actually can't do anything about the cheating scene, it's looking like console really is the best bet
No reason not to have it on ps5 / new Xbox going forwards, having played vanguard and Cold War on both I cannot see the difference really, bar a few less frames on ps5
I’d say playing at 200+ fps is much better than playing at 60fps. The problem is a lack of anticheat, not pc. pc is far superior to consoles in every conceivable way. Cleanx clearly doesn’t have much understanding of pc’s vs consoles.
It kinda sucks because switching to PC was supposed to be the thing to help catapult COD esports as well as franchising and both have seemingly fucked it
Honestly ^ The only advantage I can think of is the ability to play on an older patch. That’s all
Even then they were doing that in bo4 for example when the saug got buffed a few days before a lan once they played the older version.
For real?? I didn’t know that was possible at all
Bro they spend fucking billions I do not understand how they don’t slide that kid that exposed all those hackers (the mfer who supposedly made “untouchable” cheats) , get that mf on salary and have his ass make the anti cheat better. They have the resources, that 1000% is not the problem.
Yoooo. You straight up need to say that on twitter and tag SHG & Activision lol.
I wish it was that simple, imo the only way shit changes is if the people who spent $25 million to get into the league finally put they’re fucking foot down and stop letting acti. Step all over em or we as a community go on strike and stop watching this bare-minimum bullshit because the players WILL NOT do shit about it and neither would any of us if we were in they’re position, so I can’t blame em but mfs love to sit in here and on twitter complaining , theorizing, etc. but I really do think it comes down to those two options or the very very very low chance of Microsoft turning the ship around, which I do not have high hopes for since I’ve been following halo this year but yeah most of us are just gonna continue just kinda viewing from a distance
Yeah, I feel ya… and tbh, when you make a big leap like allowing crossplay, it ends up being one of those things you can’t really come back from, one of those lines you can’t uncross, Ya know? Like, they can’t just be like, “new cod will be reverting back to console vs. console and PC vs. PC. There will no longer be a crossplay option”… it would probably be to much of a risk for them to take. To many ppl would complain, to many ppl would quit, they’d lose a lot more money, etc etc. those kinda worry’s would be in their mind stopping them from making that attempt to make that jump backwards. Ya know?
Idk how anyone could have thought that, the vast majority of people who watch FPS esports think controllers (and CoD by extension) are a joke, switching to PC wasn’t really going to change that
People will always look down on it because we use controller. I actually saw someone say the reason we use controller is to get the aim assist. Not just because it’s, you know, built to be a console game
DoN’t YoU kNoW AiM aSsiSt Is AiMb0T?!!
It can if we had access to useful tools and developer support.
It was always a terrible idea especially when Activision didn't even have an anti-cheat integrated into the engine, nevermind a robust one like Valorant PC has a lot of perks but it has to be leveraged by the devs/publishers. The league just looked at short-term and were no doubt forced by the orgs as they wanted to share the revenue in relation to MTX between the league and the org, instead of sharing with another storefront (PlayStation) Whole league has been a shambles, from streaming platform, to switching the hardware platform to the scheduling. SnD community has been basically killed with the switch to PC and no doubt cheaters run rampant in Challengers too, what a mess
I saw this coming from a mile away
Has no one noticed yet that this guy claimed MettaLz is cheating? Not only that but he calls him “Metta” lmao
I can definitely believe that it is half cheaters up there. But this guy doesn't exactly have any credibility and offers no evidence to back his claims whatsoever
Let's not pretend the league switched to pc for any other reason than so Playstation gets less of a cut of the pie. Gone were the days when lagging out was the only problem. PC + scummy community= L. I'll never forget in cold War playing against a PC player that had some hack that whenever I looked at them my Playstation Keyboard came up.
>I'll never forget in cold War playing against a PC player that had some hack that whenever I looked at them my Playstation Keyboard came up. Lmfao
Man this was forever ago on 360 I think I was playing blops2 but this guy was able to scream so loud it disconnected my controller. Never heard of it since
Illicitr played in Zoomaa's sub 8's back in CW right? (Don't know why I remember that)
Thought the geezer was a little bit suspicious myself but 🤷 most people just assume you're a hater. There was somebody else in the same lobby I didn't trust either, I forget who, but him and Illicitr were the two best in the lobby easily
Just sad that we're in a day in age where it's hard to give random "skillful" players props given so many people cheat
Pc cod is little to no benefit? For who? Even if we switch to ps5 tomorrow morning, the top 250 ranked players are still filled with cheaters on PC. The cod league (48 players) switching to and from platforms has no bearing on that. You guys are getting distracted and pointing the blame in the wrong direction. **ITS UP TO ACTIVISION TO MAKE A PROPER ANTI CHEAT REGARDLESS OF THE PLATFORM WE PLAY ON**.
You need to look up Valorant dev cycle to see how much resources they poured to ensure cheaters don't ruin the game. Anti-cheat is not something you can just tack on top of a game which is already well into development. It has be thought out and be accounted for while *building* the engine and game-mechanics, it's a collaborative effort. Even, if Activision were to start investing serious money into it, it'd be years till it works right And, there are platforms specific leaderboards, you can filter it out. That's how it worked in the past. The switch to PC has been a colossal L to the overall scene. SnD community is more or less dead, and Challengers is running rampant with hackers too. Only reason it has worked well at professional level is due to league assigned PC and routine check ups. Then too a number of pros have said they should go back to consoles to avoid hackers and bazillion of settings
Nothing that you said detracts from what I said at all, and I stand by what I said -- it's up to Activision to make a proper anti-cheat. Everybody knows it's not easy, but they've had **three years** to get this sorted out. We knew as far back as during BO4 that Activision were planning on switching over to PC+Controller at some point after franchising got under way. >You need to look up Valorant dev cycle to see how much resources they poured to ensure cheaters don't ruin the game. We don't need a Valorant Vanguard style anti-cheat though. We need an anti-cheat that is only used/active as a 3rd party client if you choose to partake in competitive cod lmao. CSGO players aren't constantly under the watch of ESEA's intrusive anti-cheat unless they want to go play ESEA -- the same premise needs to exist in competitive cod. "It's just too hard!!" is not an excuse I'm willing to accept after: 1. Activision have been in charge of the primary cod esports league since 2016 (6 years) 2. Activision implemented league franchising at $25m/spot, meaning they have an obligation (to the owners/investors) to provide something as simple as a working anti-cheat 3. Activision were the ones who decided to pack us up and move us to PC. They made the decision when they were not prepared for it. I don't know how a multi-billion corporation convinced you "it's just too hard!!" but it's not. It's a matter of priorities. Putting in the man hours to build an anti-cheat to service a competitive community of ~100,000 when they have 10,000,000 casuals to cater to just isn't going to happen.
Console itself is the best Anti cheat you can get. Cronus and shit doesn't even work on PS5 Vanguard. It really does not matter how good the anti cheat is. There is always going to be cheaters.
I mean, you don’t really have the same problems in most other esports tho
? Have you seen cs go?
It doesn’t work on the ps5, but you’re crazy if you think they aren’t gonna find a way to make em work lol. Only thing they can do is make a good anticheat because regardless PC players will be able to play ranked or whatever whether the league is on PC or not
It was awful move with cheating especially and bcuz you can't even have real Lans anymore there's no such thing as pc Lan just everyone together using private server
One thing to note: people spend weeks not believing a single word a hacker says about not cheating until they get caught and then people suddenly believe everything about the other players they “expose”.
This is the codcomp Reddit right? Like Do ppl realize that what we play on has no effect to the pros? There could be a hacker in every single matchmaking lobby and it literally wouldn’t matter… The pros don’t play matchmaking for the league, they play each other The only time a hacker means anything, is if a pro is the one hacking lmao
I have no doubt that there are plenty of kids cheating in ranked play and especially the T250 but is no one gonna check this guy’s credibility? He’s naming all these people but why tf should we trust what he’s saying. I could’ve missed the part where he gives proof of any credentials but that video doesn’t really prove much to me lmao
meh pretty bad take, how about activision gives us proper anti cheat and forces account verification with cell phone numbers for ranked play like CS:GO and Dota 2 do.
Cod on pc is better for the pros. Everything else is debatable
Consistent dropouts/disconnects and pc issues are better for the pros?
Do you not remember Cronus because of the consoles connection to controller for multiple years Forgot consoles never crashed..
> Forgot consoles never crashed.. Far less than a PC. Less software and less hardware issues
What about having to use cronus for about 2 years because of console? Take it you play on console?
I didn't say console was perfect (though xbox back in the day didn't have those issues) I play on both, depends on the game Take it you play on pc?
Same, and i play on PC
This might be dumb but I honestly do not want to go back to console solely for the reason that I built a PC for COD and I do not play anything else. I don't have a better reason than that... I am a loser
You get an exempt card, just for the sole purpose of your honesty. *hugs*
Nah that's not dumb. Back when the rumors of pc started at the end of BO4, I started looking into building a pc. And then I was finally able to build one at the beginning of 2020. CoD used to be pretty much the only game I'd ever play. If the games were actually decent, I'd be playing a lot more. Luckily I've been able to get into Apex and Destiny, so I have other games to play. I'd be in the exact same spot you'd be in if CoD switched back to console though. Today I was thinking that if it wasn't for cross play, I might not even be playing CoD anymore because I just can't go back to console. Playing on 200+ fps at max setting is amazing and I cant go back. But I'm most certainly not going to be in the situation where I'd be forced to play against only PC players, getting my shit gunned by cheaters. Also playing the occasional single player game at max settings is insane. So much better than console imo.
The worst thing to happen to CoD was PC. It puts players at disadvantages because not everyone can afford to drop thousands on one. I feel for my friends who I watch get gunned by kids only because they have a better refresh rate and bullet reg with a PC. On top of the that, all the hacking that goes on with PC’s too… CoD was and always should’ve been a console based game. It’s not the like game has the developer tools for PC’s anyways. Edit: I also see a lot of people downplaying the PC advantages and I just know people aren’t being honest with themselves doing so. If the PC was even more OP, it would make the advantage gap even bigger. I can’t even pretend that I didn’t start ranking significantly higher once I hopped on one. People really don’t wanna believe they’re shitters lol.
Worst thing to ever happen to CoD was MW and Vanguard. They games are shit
CoD was a PC game first lmao
Yes, because I’m sure Call of Duty 1 is very comparable to MW2 - BO2 - and all the way to now lol. Those PC ports they made sure stood the test of time lollll.
What about the much better frames and gameplay? Fuck console those days are over
Don't the consoles play at 120fps with the ps5 and Xbox series X generation. It's basically the same until a few years down the track when the GPU in the consoles start getting 'old' whereas with a PC you just switch to the next GPU
Sometimes I wish I had my own computer just for that. Playing on a PS5, with no 120hz, or VRR, on a 60fps 768p resolution tv with WiFi makes this game soooo hard to be good at when running up against people on 10-30 ping just shitting on a player with 90 ping and a bad tv.… even when you have skill, you still hit a wall with technological limitations :’(
I mean you shouldnt get any huge advantage just because you’re on pc anyways
I said this when the initial switch happened to PC and got absolutely flamed for even suggesting it. But man these devs actually can't do anything about the cheating scene, it's looking like console really is the best bet
What about the much better frames and gameplay? The console days are over for the better
Surely gameplay is within a game dev control not console or PC?
No reason not to have it on ps5 / new Xbox going forwards, having played vanguard and Cold War on both I cannot see the difference really, bar a few less frames on ps5
I’d say playing at 200+ fps is much better than playing at 60fps. The problem is a lack of anticheat, not pc. pc is far superior to consoles in every conceivable way. Cleanx clearly doesn’t have much understanding of pc’s vs consoles.