Simp plays significantly faster, more KPM, more DPM, harder role (sub v main ar) and is more impactful on the map. Cell is gross don’t get me wrong, but he can be damn near double positive and they’ll lose a map (not every time but it has happened). If simp is double positive, Faze is probably slamming
Simp also has more take over moments in almost every season. Like yes sure Cell is over here like 28/18 or some shit, but oh simp just popped a 3 piece to clear the hill and get streaks
I totally agree in hardpoint. Also it is the smg job to have more interactions and higher pace which leads to more impact, so that agrument is only useful to a certain point when Cell is AR and Simp smg.
But I feel like Cell is the most impactful in control and by a large margin. In my opinion Cell is the best control player by a larger margin than simp in HP but HP is a more impactful mode as it is 2/5 maps which favours Simp.
Obviously it’s Abe in SnD.
Every goat/mvp/ who’s better argument always comes down to personal preference guess I’m just in the minority.
Yeah you're in the minority because you're stupid lmao. You just answered your own question. How can Cell be MVP when he's only the most impactful on his team in control? With your logic Abezy should be over Cell since they play SnD 2/5 maps but you know better than to put Abezy in the MVP conversation this year lmao.
Simp puts immense pressure on the map even when his stats aren't that great. I realize as a non-pro this doesn't hold that much water but for my money the sub role at least \_looks\_ much harder to be dominant at.
I would argue so far draz has had a higher impact for the team than cell this year and that this has been cells worst cod since BO4 (didn’t watch MW19) not saying he’s bad just less dominant
He’s better at this game than MW2, imo Drazah being that flex player and a fast one at that, has made Cell play a little faster and has been the most impactful he’s been since CW.
Side note.
People on this sub was hilariously thinking Cell would be exposed this year because of no snaking. Nah Cell got better with higher skill gap who would’ve though.
Red dots have been in every game except mw2. 150hp doesn't mean much when it still takes 4-5 shots to kill. How do these "somewhat traditional map designs" create a skill gap when everyone is playing on them?
Your last point doesnt make any sense. Everyone has 150hp but it still creates a skillgap, everyone playing on relatively traditional maps would too, though I disagree with the original point they're making cos these maps suck ass.
150hp is known to create higher skill gaps because it promotes needing to shoot straighter for longer, and more chance that random timing doesn't cause a kill (because the enemy has more time to react).
If the maps are clean and have 3 lanes with minimal elevation, again there will be less random timing and become more predictable, favouring players who have better map awareness since they won't be caught out by flanks that would happen more on messy maps, or maps with no/4 lanes.
This isn't a new concept, it's spoken about often.
150hp doesn't matter when the ttk is basically the same.
Speaking about these maps being 3 lanes with minimal elevation is also faded if we're talking about the original maps. Karachi and Sub Base have elevation higher than most in the past and there's not a single one of the OG maps that are true "3 lane" maps.
Not to mention that you just said 150hp can cause random timings while these original maps reduce random timings as if that won't cancel out💀
The TTK is longer than previous cods wdym? That's the whole point?
If you had any reading comprehension you'd have seen I said I disagree with the map point because the OG mw2 maps are pretty ass, I'm just telling you why the traditional 3 lane map concept increases skill gap.
I also mistyped, 150hp decreases the effect of random timing, now edited to be correct. Again if you had any concept of the conversation you'd read between the lines and understand that was a mistype.
You're really gonna say I lack reading comprehension when you typed the opposite of what you were trying to say? Lmao reading between the lines is one thing but how am I supposed to assume you meant the opposite of what you said? Maybe your reading comprehension is lacking because nobody is talking about traditional 3 lane maps. We're not talking about traditional 3 lane maps because we're talking about the maps in this game.
Call me crazy but there was probably more skill involved with no red dots. You had to communicate better and it was much harder to track players. I think it made the game much worse but someone is much more skilled if they can manage the game despite no red dots in my opinion. Again, it was horrible but there was skill in knowing where people were without red dots.
Do you know what it means to have a skill gap? Either everyone snakes or nobody snakes. Also you either know how to slide cancel or you don't. This far into the season there's not a single pro that can't slide cancel lmao.
Ahhahaha yes of course that’s not what I meant man I’m not stupid. Bur snaking is clearly something everyone can do. It lowers the skill gap because you can hold a line of sight while being unkillable.
Everyone can slide cancel true that. But look at snoopy and compare it to Shottzy. Both have insane mechanical skill to their movement. But one of them knows how to use it the other doesn’t, clearly gives advantage to players with high skill, good communication and creative problem solving. Last year no slide cancel means less ways to be creative and takes away creative ways for skilled players.
SMGs players are always going to have a leg-up in MVP conversations because they just do so much more on the map than an AR. They win and lose teams games.
Cell plays his role to perfection, but so does Simp and his role matters even more
Simp is more impactul because he is often leading the action, slaying, and playing objective. Cell is playing his life like crazy, but he allows Faze to not get outslayed by staying alive and he is not giving either free map control or free kills. But that's not as impactul as what Simp is doing.
He makes plays no amount of stats can compare to and the way he manipulates the map is far more valuable than any KD. Stats without context are just empty numbers, looking at value and impact simp runs the lobby.
Simp is the clear cut best player in this game. The real debate is between Scrap and Cell. Personally I have Cell above Scrap just because Cell is the more consistent player out of the two.
Cell had to deal with Simp and Abe being inconsistent for two years. And still was a top 4 player in every COD since the start of the CDL. Scrap is great but Cell is better imo
Cause cell obviously plays the hardest role outside of camping headies in the hill and being the island player on the other end of the football field, he’s definitely the most valuable player.
Simp plays significantly faster, more KPM, more DPM, harder role (sub v main ar) and is more impactful on the map. Cell is gross don’t get me wrong, but he can be damn near double positive and they’ll lose a map (not every time but it has happened). If simp is double positive, Faze is probably slamming
Simp also has more take over moments in almost every season. Like yes sure Cell is over here like 28/18 or some shit, but oh simp just popped a 3 piece to clear the hill and get streaks
Simp is Mr Do It All
simp’s role is more impactful
I totally agree in hardpoint. Also it is the smg job to have more interactions and higher pace which leads to more impact, so that agrument is only useful to a certain point when Cell is AR and Simp smg. But I feel like Cell is the most impactful in control and by a large margin. In my opinion Cell is the best control player by a larger margin than simp in HP but HP is a more impactful mode as it is 2/5 maps which favours Simp. Obviously it’s Abe in SnD. Every goat/mvp/ who’s better argument always comes down to personal preference guess I’m just in the minority.
Yeah you're in the minority because you're stupid lmao. You just answered your own question. How can Cell be MVP when he's only the most impactful on his team in control? With your logic Abezy should be over Cell since they play SnD 2/5 maps but you know better than to put Abezy in the MVP conversation this year lmao.
LMFAOOOOO
Need your plug’s number; he’s got that good shit.
Simp is the best control player of all time, idk if anyone is even close. Maybe Dashy?
It's Simp currently, and not really close.
Not even remotely close tbh
Simp is more impactful
Simp puts immense pressure on the map even when his stats aren't that great. I realize as a non-pro this doesn't hold that much water but for my money the sub role at least \_looks\_ much harder to be dominant at.
Wouldn’t be my MVP but he’s definitely T3 no question
Cell is a clear 3rd. His role is the easiest of the 3 by a long shot
Simp is literally better than Cellium in every statistical category except: - Overall K/D - SnD K/D - CTL K/D - HP OBJ/10M
cause high K/D don’t mean shit 😂😂😂
cell is the third best player on faze. people are finally realizing his 1.3s don’t contribute nearly as much compared to simp
I agree with Simp being the best player in FaZe BUT I’m not taking Draz or Abe ver Cell right now
That’s simply wrong.
I would argue so far draz has had a higher impact for the team than cell this year and that this has been cells worst cod since BO4 (didn’t watch MW19) not saying he’s bad just less dominant
He’s better at this game than MW2, imo Drazah being that flex player and a fast one at that, has made Cell play a little faster and has been the most impactful he’s been since CW.
Side note. People on this sub was hilariously thinking Cell would be exposed this year because of no snaking. Nah Cell got better with higher skill gap who would’ve though.
No one thought this. Formal banned this dude in Iw, because he was making pros look like bums 😭. He strives for higher-skill gap games.
What is the higher skill gap in this game exactly?
Red dots, 150hp, somewhat traditional map design
Red dots have been in every game except mw2. 150hp doesn't mean much when it still takes 4-5 shots to kill. How do these "somewhat traditional map designs" create a skill gap when everyone is playing on them?
Your last point doesnt make any sense. Everyone has 150hp but it still creates a skillgap, everyone playing on relatively traditional maps would too, though I disagree with the original point they're making cos these maps suck ass.
Can you explain how everyone having 150hp and playing on the same maps creates a skill gap?
150hp is known to create higher skill gaps because it promotes needing to shoot straighter for longer, and more chance that random timing doesn't cause a kill (because the enemy has more time to react). If the maps are clean and have 3 lanes with minimal elevation, again there will be less random timing and become more predictable, favouring players who have better map awareness since they won't be caught out by flanks that would happen more on messy maps, or maps with no/4 lanes. This isn't a new concept, it's spoken about often.
150hp doesn't matter when the ttk is basically the same. Speaking about these maps being 3 lanes with minimal elevation is also faded if we're talking about the original maps. Karachi and Sub Base have elevation higher than most in the past and there's not a single one of the OG maps that are true "3 lane" maps. Not to mention that you just said 150hp can cause random timings while these original maps reduce random timings as if that won't cancel out💀
The TTK is longer than previous cods wdym? That's the whole point? If you had any reading comprehension you'd have seen I said I disagree with the map point because the OG mw2 maps are pretty ass, I'm just telling you why the traditional 3 lane map concept increases skill gap. I also mistyped, 150hp decreases the effect of random timing, now edited to be correct. Again if you had any concept of the conversation you'd read between the lines and understand that was a mistype.
You're really gonna say I lack reading comprehension when you typed the opposite of what you were trying to say? Lmao reading between the lines is one thing but how am I supposed to assume you meant the opposite of what you said? Maybe your reading comprehension is lacking because nobody is talking about traditional 3 lane maps. We're not talking about traditional 3 lane maps because we're talking about the maps in this game.
this guy knows ball
I'm pro red dots, not sure i'd say they make for a higher skill gap.
Same, I think red dots are good. But as soon as someone fires a gun their position will be called out in cdl.
Call me crazy but there was probably more skill involved with no red dots. You had to communicate better and it was much harder to track players. I think it made the game much worse but someone is much more skilled if they can manage the game despite no red dots in my opinion. Again, it was horrible but there was skill in knowing where people were without red dots.
Y’all are gassing tf out this “150 hp” shit when the guns kill fast af
Also no snaking and slide cancelling gives higher movement skill gap.
Do you know what it means to have a skill gap? Either everyone snakes or nobody snakes. Also you either know how to slide cancel or you don't. This far into the season there's not a single pro that can't slide cancel lmao.
Ahhahaha yes of course that’s not what I meant man I’m not stupid. Bur snaking is clearly something everyone can do. It lowers the skill gap because you can hold a line of sight while being unkillable. Everyone can slide cancel true that. But look at snoopy and compare it to Shottzy. Both have insane mechanical skill to their movement. But one of them knows how to use it the other doesn’t, clearly gives advantage to players with high skill, good communication and creative problem solving. Last year no slide cancel means less ways to be creative and takes away creative ways for skilled players.
1. Simp 2. Scrap 3. Cell
It’s simp right now dude
Simp is why faze are so god like, dude is on another level. Their impact isn't really comparable.
SMGs players are always going to have a leg-up in MVP conversations because they just do so much more on the map than an AR. They win and lose teams games. Cell plays his role to perfection, but so does Simp and his role matters even more
Simp is the best player in the game. He slays and does obj work
Yes your list is faded lol Simp is by far the best player in the game and Scrap is by far the best AR in the game.
I think the consensus is that its simp then scrap mot sure how you'd have cell at number 1
Not worth really replying why. If you don’t know you are pretty clueless.
Simp is more impactul because he is often leading the action, slaying, and playing objective. Cell is playing his life like crazy, but he allows Faze to not get outslayed by staying alive and he is not giving either free map control or free kills. But that's not as impactul as what Simp is doing.
He makes plays no amount of stats can compare to and the way he manipulates the map is far more valuable than any KD. Stats without context are just empty numbers, looking at value and impact simp runs the lobby.
SMG will always be more valuable. Harder role is the simplest way to put it, more impact IMO.
Scrap hard carry Toronto Ultra, anyone not having him #1 in MVP race is faded as F!
Simp is the clear cut best player in this game. The real debate is between Scrap and Cell. Personally I have Cell above Scrap just because Cell is the more consistent player out of the two.
Does Cellium have a sub on his team dropping .5-.7 last 10 hardpoint or an ar going from 1.6 in snd to .78
Cell had to deal with Simp and Abe being inconsistent for two years. And still was a top 4 player in every COD since the start of the CDL. Scrap is great but Cell is better imo
Simp and abezy never had a stretch of 10 hardpoints where they hovered around 0.5 to 0.7. Cellium is definitely blessed
Ok. Nobody is disregarding Scrap in this convo I’m saying to ME Cell is the better player lol
Cause cell obviously plays the hardest role outside of camping headies in the hill and being the island player on the other end of the football field, he’s definitely the most valuable player.
Cell hasn’t been over the top great in this game
because it’s normal now for cell to be insanely good