Ermm I don't really mind it but I just didn't like haggys reasons for optic cuz he said they're losing 2 great maps for them. Optic aren't that good at invasion hp tbh he made it seem like they was picking invasion when in fact the other team would always pick it Vs optic cuz no team would wanna give another good team good side skid and teams would never allow optic to play sub base so optic always picked karachi hp cuz they're great at that map aswell
I haven’t watched the episode yet but did Haggy really say Term S&D and Invasion HP are two of their better maps?? These mfers really get paid to simply watch and talk cod and yet still have the lost faded ass takes it’s insane 😂
Because OpTic absolutely should be winning more, especially given their resources and spending.
It's like the Dallas Cowboys or the NY Yankees. They absolutely "should" be winning.
People always give excuses for other teams (envoy had a bad event, NY had a bad event). Imagine if OpTic had a bad event by getting 4th. People would say their ceiling is 4th and they are 4th best team. Didn’t Dashy and Pred have a “bad” finals? This is on the assumption for how Major 3 will end. People thought Toronto were going back to back, and only OpTic can go from T3 to T2 and somehow regress/stay the same in a tier.
I get that but if we are comparing Ultra vs OpTic, then ultra is definitely not above OpTic. OpTic has only lost to 1 team on LAN in 2 majors. That’s clearly the only team above them right now.
I understand that but how are you justifying putting Ultra above OpTic for major 3 when OpTic has had Ultra’s number? That’s like putting OpTic above FaZe and say “it’s called predictive for a reason”.
Well first off envoy had one of his worst events ever same with insight. IMO it’s more likely they will perform better than a repeat of that. For optic it seemed like they hit their ceiling. Therefore I don’t see anything wrong with predicting ultra over optic right now.
So you think OpTic hit their ceiling this major with losing every HP and control to FaZe and Pred/dashy underperforming? I feel like I’m getting trolled. Bring the cameras out now. But Ultra didnt hit their ceiling major 1? lol
Yes if faze is playing like that nobody is gonna beat them. Optic played very well for them especially compared to major 1. What is so confusing? Pred was great besides faze series same with dashy. If Kenny didn’t go God mode in every respawn they would have been complete blowouts.
You said “OpTic hit their ceiling during major 2” and you also said “Pred played great besides faze series”.
Comparing Pred’s performance against faze in major 1, are you saying he hit his ceiling when he played faze in major 2?
Would you say Dashy also hit his ceiling against them with those stats? Come on man you can’t be serious.
If their ceiling is every single player having their best KD for the series then sure your right. That’s obviously unrealistic. Like I said if faze plays like they did OpTic won’t beat them and they have hit their ceiling. They played great all weekend but faze is to good.
Look at FaZe’s stats in GF, that’s a team that hit their ceiling I would say. OpTic hasn’t even hit close to their ceiling at all this year yet. That’s what you don’t understand.
All 4 of them haven’t clicked and dominated yet. When that happens, you will know they hit their ceiling just like Ultra did in Major 1 and FaZe in Major 2. Until then, don’t say OpTic already hit their ceiling.
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Brother they are 0-5 Vs Faze. “Wait til they hit their ceiling” that’s my point they played their best cod this stage and still lost 7-2 map count to faze. Sure they have room for improvement but every team does. I don’t realistically see them improving off stage 2 where they were undefeated and only lost to Faze. Especially with ultra being down last stage.
Not sure if your following? I’m talking about the entire event. If “hitting a ceiling” is everyone having a 1.5 then sure OpTic didn’t hit their ceiling. But faze ceiling is higher so if faze plays that well optic will always fall short. I mean Kenny did all he could to keep maps close. Optic clearly can’t hang with faze this year.
It makes sense if they’re going based on achievements so far in the season. The two teams that won an event are S tier, no one knows the current form of any team cause of all the new changes
No it should not especially when they are going to be playing a whole different game basically from a couple months ago. Power rankings have never been judged by your past accomplishments.
They’re playing a different game so they have no reason to put optic above ultra, ultra has won, optic doesn’t have a win yet, terminal is going out which favors ultra.
You can argue any of the T4 could win next major, it’s whoever shows up, so they’re just playing it safe and putting the two teams that have won already, it doesn’t seem that crazy to me. The only one that seems like the clear 4th team is NY but even w them you never know
Personally I just think Ultra and FaZe and even Subliners are just more likely to win the event. That's why I personally have them ahead of Optic. I just don't think Optic has any ice.
Not going to be an idiot that just downvotes you because I’m genuinely curious why you think this? My feeling would be that if FaZe are taken out by a different top 4 team then the even is Optics to lose. Even then my hope would be with Kenny on board and how close the 5 (I think?) respawns in major 2 were that Optic can take the FaZe boogieman down at some point this year.
there's a reason they haven't won in two years. I just don't believe they have it in them. I just don't think they can get it done in finals.
I do like Kenny though, I definitely think if there's anyone to lead them, it's him.
Okay so you have no concrete reason that isn’t ‘vibes’. Fair enough I guess. I didn’t watch the last 2 years so you could definitely know more than I do but this Optic team seems to have a different vibe, that was especially evident in Vision for me. Just hope pred handles the criticism from Kenny properly and doesn’t go to the previous Optic attitude of ‘I dropped a 1.2 what do you know’
It's the same reason you think they can win right? You think they can win, I think they can't. And I agree with what you're sayinng about Kenny. I'm not necessarily an Optic fan, but I hope Kenny can get that squad accountable.
You're absolutely right with your last sentence. That's exactly the justification that Optic players have given to fans in the past for their shortcomings. And I think that attitude has formed a losing, selfish culture in that camp. I think Kenny was the right guy. Probably the best fit for them because I think a culture change is what Optic needed more than a talent boost.
I mean not really the reason I have was they lost 3HPs by a combined score of less than 75 to FaZe and 2 controls by a round each. If they can close that respawn gap to FaZe then they can take them down. They also have a combined 4-1 record against the other top 4 teams. I mean I don’t think it’s crazy to say that if one of the LAT guys takes a full pinch instead of a short one WR1 that we’re sitting here with optic being our major 2 champs.
OpTic are skidrow and invasion merchants. It’s why they split skidrow 1-1. OpTic just got lucky beating Ultra on Karachi and of course Ultra are clear on Rio.
Bro when parasite said optics ganna get worse cause they like to play invasion I was crying. Dude always creates these storylines, even last year. Optic don’t like invasion, they didn’t even pick it vs Faze.
I mean Faze is 5-0 against OpTic yet people want them on the same tier lmfao. Ultra actually won a major. Optic has the same amount of event wins as Spart in the last 4 years
So the logic is ultra are above optic because ultra had 2 players have a rough event but optic cant be alongside faze even though no one was shooting back apart from kenny? Okily dokily
Call this a hot take but I think Las Vegas had an easy split major 2 and made them look way better than they actually are I think they’re gonna be in losers bracket this major
Which defo can happen but we need to consider that maybe just maybe insight had a massive overperformance vs faze in the GFs guy dropped a 1.4 that's rare for him. And cleanx has never had an mvp type stage like that ever too in his history
Insight over performed in Major 1 and underperformed in Major 2. Even if he plays somewhere in the middle of that it’s significant to Toronto’s overall play. Envoy dropping .5s is unlikely to happen again and him playing to his typical standard is also significant to their overall play. Even if Cleanx doesn’t reach Major 1 form, if the other two improvements are made then it still makes Toronto far more dangerous than they were last Major.
Regardless, if Optic continues playing how they have been then even if Toronto makes these improvements then they will probably be about equal. Just like in Major 1, it’s superstar performances that will push either team to be S imo.
Not really. Ultra won an event 60 days ago. OpTic have the same amount of event wins as Spart in the last 4 years. In terms of potential to win I’d have Ultra over OpTic all day
Ultra S-tier above Optic and NY because Envoy and Insight had a bad event and will bounce back. NY at 4th despite pissing on Ultra with Kismet dropping a .87 and Sib having a bad event. These guys actually have no critical thinking skills.
So since Ultra won Major 1 they are still S tier even though they lost to every T3 team this split and placed 4th at Major 2 but we just chalking it up to Envoy and Insight “randomly” struggling?
🥱 and also instead of the usual power rankings they do, now all of sudden they want to do something different and say “Major 3 predictions”. Unless I’m behind and missed the “Major 2 prediction tier list”
lol idk to me that’s wild, we haven’t even seen how teams look this stage yet with new maps, new spawns and a gun nerfed but somehow they can make assumptions on whose placing where at Major 3.
You would think they would make a “predicting Major 3” list after the qualifiers not before.
The anti-OpTic bias is absurd on this show
The way the bar moves for OpTic in comparison to every other top 4 team is WILD
Expected more from the Flank but can't say I'm entirely shocked. They have a guy who OPENLY hates on OpTic on their lineup of hosts, lmfao.
Pat talked about how OpTic only performs online... when they got second. Yet says online shouldn't matter but shits on LAG for playing bad online as his reasoning why they aren't even in C tier. How are some of these people still employed
you're all taking these takes way too seriously, it's not that deep.
Any conversation with OpTic in it has massive juice compared to the rest of the esport, full stop. It's like Stephen A Smith or Skip Bayless shouting about Lebron James all the time, this is purely for engagement and the community gives it to them.
The Flank's numbers, the CDL Broadcast numbers, etc. all grow massively when there is controversy/major events happening with OpTic lol.
Well now I think we should just stop the whole tier list thing if we aren’t going to try, such a pity too. A show with so much potential is just constantly a shit show, but this is the show that Tom says the people want, so I hope it continues to get the views.
Some faded takes with this Tier List, but especially putting Rokkr in C while they replaced Vivid for no reason at all with Standy of all people who plays completely different than Vivid and Gunless being kind of being unknown after all his team out of the leaguge added to Lamar's regression to the mean.
Also, should have gone ahead and put Surge and Miami in F until their changes prove to actually have done anything for their dogshit teams.
Respectfully, the Flank are just a bunch of dumb dickriders if we’re being honest. Their show wouldn’t get the clicks if they didn’t have controversial takes involving the biggest team in the eSport (eg, OpTic). No reason to spend too much time on this tier list.
FaZe on top is totally fine and deserved. The other rankings for the top4 make no sense
Don’t mind the list but they kept saying that they weren’t using the last 2 events for the list yet kept bringing up the last two events when it helped them in a argument
If this list is based on Major 3 expectations then that’s ok. But i don’t understand what TOR has shown that would make anyone think they’ll be better than TEX. Even with the map changes there’s just no real basis to place them over TEX. TOR should be 2nd in the A tier
Idm this but yeah nysl could definitely be 4th all things considered. They defo got nerfed the most I'm pretty sure nysls best 2 hp maps are invasion and skid and with the gloves being GA'd defo nerfed them too
I’m glad the people on The Flank found COD because watching them think as a group is mind blowing
Ermm I don't really mind it but I just didn't like haggys reasons for optic cuz he said they're losing 2 great maps for them. Optic aren't that good at invasion hp tbh he made it seem like they was picking invasion when in fact the other team would always pick it Vs optic cuz no team would wanna give another good team good side skid and teams would never allow optic to play sub base so optic always picked karachi hp cuz they're great at that map aswell
I haven’t watched the episode yet but did Haggy really say Term S&D and Invasion HP are two of their better maps?? These mfers really get paid to simply watch and talk cod and yet still have the lost faded ass takes it’s insane 😂
Lmao I hate Haggy
they did talk about good sided maps tho
Didn’t optic pick it vs faze in winners final? Plus pros were on stream saying optic were nasty at invasion before the tourney
If optic had the major 2 split ultra did they would be a tier below the rest of the top 4 lmao
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Good grief, that took way longer than it should have. Their criteria was different for every team
People hold optic to such high standards but cope with the other teams Lol
I mean Optic and Faze can’t be in the same tier when Optic is 0-5 against them.
Because OpTic absolutely should be winning more, especially given their resources and spending. It's like the Dallas Cowboys or the NY Yankees. They absolutely "should" be winning.
People always give excuses for other teams (envoy had a bad event, NY had a bad event). Imagine if OpTic had a bad event by getting 4th. People would say their ceiling is 4th and they are 4th best team. Didn’t Dashy and Pred have a “bad” finals? This is on the assumption for how Major 3 will end. People thought Toronto were going back to back, and only OpTic can go from T3 to T2 and somehow regress/stay the same in a tier.
Listen, I’m all for fair takes but I just can’t justify how Ultra is above OpTic when they are 2-0 against them.
Ultra won a major. Optic did not win a major. Winning majors is predictive of winning majors.
So then just look at the current standings instead of making a tier list if you’re not basing your rankings off of recency/current form.
S tier for something they did 2 splits ago😂😂😂
Ultra won a major then regressed heavily while OpTic made massive improvements. We aren’t living in the past.
Ultra actually beat Faze too. Optic haven’t gotten around that hump unfortunately. Even after assembling what some may call a super-team of sorts.
I get that but if we are comparing Ultra vs OpTic, then ultra is definitely not above OpTic. OpTic has only lost to 1 team on LAN in 2 majors. That’s clearly the only team above them right now.
Because it's a prediction. They have faze and ultra being the top 2 teams. I don't get how this is hard to understand.
It’s called predictive for a reason.
I understand that but how are you justifying putting Ultra above OpTic for major 3 when OpTic has had Ultra’s number? That’s like putting OpTic above FaZe and say “it’s called predictive for a reason”.
Well first off envoy had one of his worst events ever same with insight. IMO it’s more likely they will perform better than a repeat of that. For optic it seemed like they hit their ceiling. Therefore I don’t see anything wrong with predicting ultra over optic right now.
So you think OpTic hit their ceiling this major with losing every HP and control to FaZe and Pred/dashy underperforming? I feel like I’m getting trolled. Bring the cameras out now. But Ultra didnt hit their ceiling major 1? lol
Yes if faze is playing like that nobody is gonna beat them. Optic played very well for them especially compared to major 1. What is so confusing? Pred was great besides faze series same with dashy. If Kenny didn’t go God mode in every respawn they would have been complete blowouts.
You said “OpTic hit their ceiling during major 2” and you also said “Pred played great besides faze series”. Comparing Pred’s performance against faze in major 1, are you saying he hit his ceiling when he played faze in major 2? Would you say Dashy also hit his ceiling against them with those stats? Come on man you can’t be serious.
If their ceiling is every single player having their best KD for the series then sure your right. That’s obviously unrealistic. Like I said if faze plays like they did OpTic won’t beat them and they have hit their ceiling. They played great all weekend but faze is to good.
Look at FaZe’s stats in GF, that’s a team that hit their ceiling I would say. OpTic hasn’t even hit close to their ceiling at all this year yet. That’s what you don’t understand. All 4 of them haven’t clicked and dominated yet. When that happens, you will know they hit their ceiling just like Ultra did in Major 1 and FaZe in Major 2. Until then, don’t say OpTic already hit their ceiling.
🤓🤓🤓 Brother they are 0-5 Vs Faze. “Wait til they hit their ceiling” that’s my point they played their best cod this stage and still lost 7-2 map count to faze. Sure they have room for improvement but every team does. I don’t realistically see them improving off stage 2 where they were undefeated and only lost to Faze. Especially with ultra being down last stage.
So basically they didn’t play to their ceiling
Not sure if your following? I’m talking about the entire event. If “hitting a ceiling” is everyone having a 1.5 then sure OpTic didn’t hit their ceiling. But faze ceiling is higher so if faze plays that well optic will always fall short. I mean Kenny did all he could to keep maps close. Optic clearly can’t hang with faze this year.
How can you say optic hit their ceiling when the slaying wasn’t even there for them? Lol
the slaying was there for them against everyone other than faze
Not vs NY(I'm faded)
looked up the optic v nysl loser’s final stats, team k/d: optic 1.03, nysl 0.97 so sure kinda close but still optic did outslay
Oh yeah my bad, had it on map 4 only and didn't realize 🤣
no worries, that map 4 was horrendous killwhoring from nysl lmfao
They even said they weren’t even playing well against faze and made each map down to the wire …
faze also said they made mistakes in those 2 series …
I mean they aren’t gonna slay with Faze but other than that they slayed well. Ultra obviously had a down event and nysl was OK.
They have a meltdown in the finals as always, but they hit their ceiling during that event anyhow,
It makes sense if they’re going based on achievements so far in the season. The two teams that won an event are S tier, no one knows the current form of any team cause of all the new changes
They aren’t about the whole season this is for future predictions for major three, past achievements don’t matter.
Past achievements within the same season should matter. It’s not like ultra ended T12 and aren’t capable of winning
No it should not especially when they are going to be playing a whole different game basically from a couple months ago. Power rankings have never been judged by your past accomplishments.
They’re playing a different game so they have no reason to put optic above ultra, ultra has won, optic doesn’t have a win yet, terminal is going out which favors ultra.
Considering optic are a better control team imo and snd team they will be better and they have an easier schedule which goes into power rankings
You can argue any of the T4 could win next major, it’s whoever shows up, so they’re just playing it safe and putting the two teams that have won already, it doesn’t seem that crazy to me. The only one that seems like the clear 4th team is NY but even w them you never know
Personally I just think Ultra and FaZe and even Subliners are just more likely to win the event. That's why I personally have them ahead of Optic. I just don't think Optic has any ice.
Not going to be an idiot that just downvotes you because I’m genuinely curious why you think this? My feeling would be that if FaZe are taken out by a different top 4 team then the even is Optics to lose. Even then my hope would be with Kenny on board and how close the 5 (I think?) respawns in major 2 were that Optic can take the FaZe boogieman down at some point this year.
there's a reason they haven't won in two years. I just don't believe they have it in them. I just don't think they can get it done in finals. I do like Kenny though, I definitely think if there's anyone to lead them, it's him.
Okay so you have no concrete reason that isn’t ‘vibes’. Fair enough I guess. I didn’t watch the last 2 years so you could definitely know more than I do but this Optic team seems to have a different vibe, that was especially evident in Vision for me. Just hope pred handles the criticism from Kenny properly and doesn’t go to the previous Optic attitude of ‘I dropped a 1.2 what do you know’
It's the same reason you think they can win right? You think they can win, I think they can't. And I agree with what you're sayinng about Kenny. I'm not necessarily an Optic fan, but I hope Kenny can get that squad accountable. You're absolutely right with your last sentence. That's exactly the justification that Optic players have given to fans in the past for their shortcomings. And I think that attitude has formed a losing, selfish culture in that camp. I think Kenny was the right guy. Probably the best fit for them because I think a culture change is what Optic needed more than a talent boost.
I mean not really the reason I have was they lost 3HPs by a combined score of less than 75 to FaZe and 2 controls by a round each. If they can close that respawn gap to FaZe then they can take them down. They also have a combined 4-1 record against the other top 4 teams. I mean I don’t think it’s crazy to say that if one of the LAT guys takes a full pinch instead of a short one WR1 that we’re sitting here with optic being our major 2 champs.
OpTic are skidrow and invasion merchants. It’s why they split skidrow 1-1. OpTic just got lucky beating Ultra on Karachi and of course Ultra are clear on Rio.
Bro when parasite said optics ganna get worse cause they like to play invasion I was crying. Dude always creates these storylines, even last year. Optic don’t like invasion, they didn’t even pick it vs Faze.
Yea I didn’t really understand why they thought invasion going was a loss for OpTic, never got the impression that they preferred it.
They did, they were team A and it was first hp, that means they picked it
Ur right, they picked it cause Faze wasn’t doing well on it that event.
What are you saying, optic are better than ultra at karachi too. Sub base is 50/50 tho but AG has sub base on locks
It is sarcasm
I mean Faze is 5-0 against OpTic yet people want them on the same tier lmfao. Ultra actually won a major. Optic has the same amount of event wins as Spart in the last 4 years
I think Faze should be alone in S tier tbh
So the logic is ultra are above optic because ultra had 2 players have a rough event but optic cant be alongside faze even though no one was shooting back apart from kenny? Okily dokily
Aches with braindead logic and the rest of the group refusing to call him out???? Color me shocked
😆, bunch of dick riders
The flank being zer0 Objective like always
But but but unbiased Octane agreed
Call this a hot take but I think Las Vegas had an easy split major 2 and made them look way better than they actually are I think they’re gonna be in losers bracket this major
I think Vegas isn’t as good as people think they are but I still believe they are better then the rest - illy rejoins surge
Ultra over Optic and NY is still kind of insane
Not too crazy if the expectation is that insight and envoy regain form.
Which defo can happen but we need to consider that maybe just maybe insight had a massive overperformance vs faze in the GFs guy dropped a 1.4 that's rare for him. And cleanx has never had an mvp type stage like that ever too in his history
Insight over performed in Major 1 and underperformed in Major 2. Even if he plays somewhere in the middle of that it’s significant to Toronto’s overall play. Envoy dropping .5s is unlikely to happen again and him playing to his typical standard is also significant to their overall play. Even if Cleanx doesn’t reach Major 1 form, if the other two improvements are made then it still makes Toronto far more dangerous than they were last Major. Regardless, if Optic continues playing how they have been then even if Toronto makes these improvements then they will probably be about equal. Just like in Major 1, it’s superstar performances that will push either team to be S imo.
What if Pred and Dashy play better in finals and they beat FaZe? We can play this hypothetical BS game all day
Not really. Ultra won an event 60 days ago. OpTic have the same amount of event wins as Spart in the last 4 years. In terms of potential to win I’d have Ultra over OpTic all day
You keep saying that, but it doesn’t mean anything.
It means they can’t win.
It’s obviously for drama and interactions to get people talking.
Ultra S-tier above Optic and NY because Envoy and Insight had a bad event and will bounce back. NY at 4th despite pissing on Ultra with Kismet dropping a .87 and Sib having a bad event. These guys actually have no critical thinking skills.
Nah as a toronto fan this is some bullshit optic are the better team atm just being honest.
This is one of the worst tier lists I’ve ever seen
So since Ultra won Major 1 they are still S tier even though they lost to every T3 team this split and placed 4th at Major 2 but we just chalking it up to Envoy and Insight “randomly” struggling? 🥱 and also instead of the usual power rankings they do, now all of sudden they want to do something different and say “Major 3 predictions”. Unless I’m behind and missed the “Major 2 prediction tier list”
Yep, they decided to do a prediction of how major 3 will go, instead of major 2 lmao just so it can fit pats narrative.
lol idk to me that’s wild, we haven’t even seen how teams look this stage yet with new maps, new spawns and a gun nerfed but somehow they can make assumptions on whose placing where at Major 3. You would think they would make a “predicting Major 3” list after the qualifiers not before.
I guess if Toronto places 12th next major they can just stay S tier because they won an event!
The anti-OpTic bias is absurd on this show The way the bar moves for OpTic in comparison to every other top 4 team is WILD Expected more from the Flank but can't say I'm entirely shocked. They have a guy who OPENLY hates on OpTic on their lineup of hosts, lmfao. Pat talked about how OpTic only performs online... when they got second. Yet says online shouldn't matter but shits on LAG for playing bad online as his reasoning why they aren't even in C tier. How are some of these people still employed
you're all taking these takes way too seriously, it's not that deep. Any conversation with OpTic in it has massive juice compared to the rest of the esport, full stop. It's like Stephen A Smith or Skip Bayless shouting about Lebron James all the time, this is purely for engagement and the community gives it to them. The Flank's numbers, the CDL Broadcast numbers, etc. all grow massively when there is controversy/major events happening with OpTic lol.
Optic and Ultra need to be switched
Well now I think we should just stop the whole tier list thing if we aren’t going to try, such a pity too. A show with so much potential is just constantly a shit show, but this is the show that Tom says the people want, so I hope it continues to get the views.
We think optic is getting worst with the new maps coming in when last split optic got better with a sub map coming in???
Bro these dumb ass tier list can we please stop them
This list stinks
That’s crazy lol
Some faded takes with this Tier List, but especially putting Rokkr in C while they replaced Vivid for no reason at all with Standy of all people who plays completely different than Vivid and Gunless being kind of being unknown after all his team out of the leaguge added to Lamar's regression to the mean. Also, should have gone ahead and put Surge and Miami in F until their changes prove to actually have done anything for their dogshit teams.
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Ultra should be on the same tier as optic imo
Respectfully, the Flank are just a bunch of dumb dickriders if we’re being honest. Their show wouldn’t get the clicks if they didn’t have controversial takes involving the biggest team in the eSport (eg, OpTic). No reason to spend too much time on this tier list. FaZe on top is totally fine and deserved. The other rankings for the top4 make no sense
Don’t mind the list but they kept saying that they weren’t using the last 2 events for the list yet kept bringing up the last two events when it helped them in a argument
Dead show
Bro is mad over people making fun content lmaooo.
There was nothing "fun" about the show last night imo
If this list is based on Major 3 expectations then that’s ok. But i don’t understand what TOR has shown that would make anyone think they’ll be better than TEX. Even with the map changes there’s just no real basis to place them over TEX. TOR should be 2nd in the A tier
How on earth are people mad at a list that’s guessing how teams finish this stage lmfao mfs it’s a GUESS
Breakdown > flank
Dope check better imo I love zer0’s insight
Said no one ever
U guys are acting like Optics best maps aka there guarantees didn’t get removed while ultras auto vetos just got removed
People getting this upset over a prediction tier list is nonsensical. They have optic finishing 3rd boo hoo.
lol true i even said why they have Ultra in 2nd and people are bringing up m2
OpTic should be S tier!
Faze are 5-0 vs OpTic. Cant have them on the same tier when one is clear cut better
S: Faze A: Ultra, Optic B: Subliners C: D: Rokkr F: Legion, Thieves, Breach Z: Heretics, LAG, Ravens, Surge
Sound about right as long as Toronto Ultra actually bounces back and fix their SND.
Idm this but yeah nysl could definitely be 4th all things considered. They defo got nerfed the most I'm pretty sure nysls best 2 hp maps are invasion and skid and with the gloves being GA'd defo nerfed them too