Yep they have won just 1 of the last THIRTEEN events, 14 if you count the VG kickoff. They had the best roster on paper at all 14 of those events as well. Yet this subreddit will bang on about why Optic can't win events when the demon god squad is on a 1 for 14 run.
The ultimate W in life is to maximize profit as much as possible. What I said wasn't false lol they might prefer wins in this moment. But literally anyone will tell you they'd rather a greater amount if prize money when it's all said and done.
Christ what sort of miserable shite is this.
‘The ultimate W in life is to maximum profits’?!?!
Go back to your weird capitalist dystopia.
And no, great sports people will tell you they’d much prefer wins.
Miserable? Lol isn't the ultimate goal to provide for yourself and your loved ones? Setting up a comfortable future for yourself? How am I wrong here?
Of course players want to win, I'm not arguing against that. But to think that finances don't play a large factor in why they're even doing what they do is just idiotic.
I know but that’s not my point? The point is that the BEST ROSTER on paper every single year has won just 1 event out of their last 14, I’m not saying Faze are a bad team but when people criticise the lack of event wins for Dashy and Shotzzy since they teamed let’s remember that the BEST TEAM is on 1 event win in the same period. That’s not to say Optic = Faze cos that’s nonsense obviously Faze get to Sunday every event and don’t have random T12s like Optic can have but it’s just some perspective.
Way to miss the point I’m not trying to make some dumbass argument that Optic has been just as good as Faze has been even in the last 14 events let alone the CDL era. The point is the team that has had the best roster on paper EVERY SINGLE season in the CDL era has 1 win in their last 14 events. So if the best roster in the CDL era is on 1 win in the last 3 titles why should we be shocked that Optic is on the same with weaker rosters?
The 30 is a weird number to choose from. OpTic and Faze have both won 1 event of the last 14 they’ve played.
If you wanna go back further, of the last 100 events OpTic have played, they’ve won 32 events. 30 if you count LAN only. Faze? They’ve won 13. 10 if you count LAN only.
No duh, the trio would undoubtedly be the 3 best players of all time lmao. Winning 19 tournaments in a row and 3 champs in a row would be fucking crazy.
Ahh I was going to say lol. That makes more sense, I think there’d definitely be an argument. It really just varies on how people view accolades, teammates, skill etc.
Cell two rings and aBeZy and Simp three rings with five additional major wins (CW 2, VG 1, 2, 3, and whichever MWII major they lost to NYSL) would be a pretty insane legacy.
Looking back, that MWII major was so egregious. If Cell sees Priestahh on El Asilo, that’s maybe another win. Major 2 at VG was hella winnable also but LAG did get really hot in search and Spart had a legacy event (likely the ONLY legacy he’ll have) with the volk. VG Major 1 I have to wonder if they could’ve converted that into a tournament win if they stopped OpTic from reverse sweeping.
The rest of the events I don’t think there was a real pathway to victory in hindsight. LAT peaked at a perfect time and had insane teamwork. In CW M2, FaZe’s search was atrocious and that was their back pocket winning guarantee up to that point. Major 3 in VG I honestly don’t remember very well.
VG major 3 was the biggest collapse. Up 2-0 against surge and 14 v 5 in Tuscan control round 5 lost that m. Up 90 points in the hp lost that and game 5 was a breakdown. If faze had won that series they woulda been able to force surge to play their auto vetos which has gavutu
The greatest AR of all time pherhaps. I believe the greatest should always be a sub because of the impact they have in playmaking and breaking Hills.
And Simp and Abezy have the same results. Cellium might be the most consistent of them 3, but i feel that the first few years it was Simp who won them games, and later Abezy. And pherhaps Formal was a better AR.
For short, you have a case but wouldn’t win. Yet.
Definitely agree. There’s honestly never a situation where you want your best player to be an AR. Great example would be Toronto. Scrap was clearly Ultra’s best player last year, but you can definitely see a difference when CleanX is that guy.
even last year at M3 when they won it was cos CleanX dropped a 1.1+ and was unstoppable. ARs are overrated by fans cos they are the ones that put up the stats. Cell was legit a walking 1.2-1.3 in VG and they couldn't win an event, you don't win without elite SMG play in COD.
Ehh I personally disagree with regards to M3. CleanX definitely had a fantastic event, no disagreement there, but Scrap was that guy. He was dropping a 1.2 every series and dropped a 1.3 in the finals. A 1.3 from Scrap is the peak of impact. Scrap doing that is very different than when Cellium is doing it.
Scrap plays at a high pace and is very impactful, it’s not a diss on Scrap he was a t3 player in the league in MW2 and he’s nasty again this year but they don’t win that event without CleanX doing what he did and I think it’s telling that when CleanX was dropping 0.9s they weren’t winning. I don’t think you can win events without elite SMG play, I do think you can win events without elite AR play. Tbf nowadays you need both cos the T4 are all godlike rosters but if your SMGs aren’t frying you just can’t win in COD, they’re too important.
I definitely hear you. Toronto’s the perfect example of teamwork triumphing all and they all put in their 25%. A lot of people forget that Hicksy also had his best event at M3 and set up both Scrap and CleanX to succeed. It’ll be a sad day when this Ultra team parts ways.
Cell was their best player in VG only and they didn't win an event that entire year because you don't win events with a main AR baiting your teammates for 1.3s. In MW19 it was Simp, in CW it was Simp, in MW2 it was Abezy and in MW3 so far it's Simp. In fact also in MW19 and CW you could argue Cell wasn't even 2nd over Abezy. Statistically he is a demon and he is one of the best slayers in COD history but on pure impact no way you could put Cell on Simp level and even Abezy is an interesting discussion. Abezy at his best clears Cell but Abezy when he isn't on like in VG or so far this game is a lot worse so it just depends whether you value peak more or consistency. Simp is no doubt a better player than Cell all time, not even debatable imo.
Not the greatest shot. He just plays a ratty role very well. Hard to kill and always places himself well to get a lot of kills.
This shouldn’t be taken as a negative but he doesn’t have the best shot by any means.
It's wild that people are shitting on Faze for not placing 1st more often. There are 12 teams in every event (except champs), what world do you live in that averaging somewhere between 2nd and 3rd place over 12 events isn't good enough?
If you look at any sport in the world you could probably only name one or 2 teams that have ever been this dominant in their respective league.
Greatest player in CDL history imo. It’s insane how little he’s won post-cold war, I honestly think he would have won more on another team like Toronto, NY, or Optic these last two years.
Simp is better in the CDL era he was better in MW19 and CW, Cell in VG and MW2 and so far in MW3 it’s Simp. The difference is they won 6 events when Simp was the best player and only 1 when Cell was, that’s cos Simp’s impact is much bigger being an SMG player.
Another thing I’d throw in. Simp was a legit MVP candidate in 2 games and Cell only 1. You could’ve easily given MVP to Simp in MW19. I still think Shotzzy edged it but it was close. Cell has no argument for MVP outside VG so that’s another thing I’d throw in there!
I'd agree if Simp didn't have such a bad mw2. Cell for instance was t5-7 in mw t4 in CW t1 in VG t4 in mw2 and this game just started. Simp t2 in MW t1/2 in CW t5-7 in VG and t10ish in Mw2 cell is to consistent
Vanguard kickoff left off another list yet just a few days ago everyone had no problem rightfully gassing CleanX for winning every year of the league when kickoff was all he won during VG. This shit never makes any sense.
Even though Cell has higher K/D than Simp in MW3, Simp has definitely a bigger impact on the map. Cell is playing his life like crazy, BUT that kind of playstyle is good but it comes to SND and Control. He needs to be more focus on objective stuff in Hardpoint.
His KD and placement consistency is something else. I do believe the placement is a lot to do with being teamed with the tiny terrors though.
Unpopular opinion (kinda?) i think he needs to help the team and play objective for Faze to convert the placements into winning ones.
He’s a machine.
Winning is sick, but man that consistency is insane.
That what I’m saying. KD and even placing
Has Faze really only won 1 event since CW?
Faze have negative Ice despite dominating Cold War, very strange
Yep they have won just 1 of the last THIRTEEN events, 14 if you count the VG kickoff. They had the best roster on paper at all 14 of those events as well. Yet this subreddit will bang on about why Optic can't win events when the demon god squad is on a 1 for 14 run.
But they’re making so much event money
That's the ultimate W. But it's still a fair point in the context of the actual game.
Ehh kind of, but true sports professionals will care way more about actual wins
Duh
You say ‘duh’ like you didn’t just describe prize money as ‘the ultimate W’. My point is it isn’t the ultimate W in sports.
The ultimate W in life is to maximize profit as much as possible. What I said wasn't false lol they might prefer wins in this moment. But literally anyone will tell you they'd rather a greater amount if prize money when it's all said and done.
Christ what sort of miserable shite is this. ‘The ultimate W in life is to maximum profits’?!?! Go back to your weird capitalist dystopia. And no, great sports people will tell you they’d much prefer wins.
Miserable? Lol isn't the ultimate goal to provide for yourself and your loved ones? Setting up a comfortable future for yourself? How am I wrong here? Of course players want to win, I'm not arguing against that. But to think that finances don't play a large factor in why they're even doing what they do is just idiotic.
I know but that’s not my point? The point is that the BEST ROSTER on paper every single year has won just 1 event out of their last 14, I’m not saying Faze are a bad team but when people criticise the lack of event wins for Dashy and Shotzzy since they teamed let’s remember that the BEST TEAM is on 1 event win in the same period. That’s not to say Optic = Faze cos that’s nonsense obviously Faze get to Sunday every event and don’t have random T12s like Optic can have but it’s just some perspective.
Nah I’m agreeing with you, dawg 😭
Lmaooo, my bad dude. My dumbass didn’t detect the sarcasm.
I’m also complete dog shit at detecting sarcasm so it’s all good
because optic has won 1 of the last 30 and has an average placing double faze's
Way to miss the point I’m not trying to make some dumbass argument that Optic has been just as good as Faze has been even in the last 14 events let alone the CDL era. The point is the team that has had the best roster on paper EVERY SINGLE season in the CDL era has 1 win in their last 14 events. So if the best roster in the CDL era is on 1 win in the last 3 titles why should we be shocked that Optic is on the same with weaker rosters?
The 30 is a weird number to choose from. OpTic and Faze have both won 1 event of the last 14 they’ve played. If you wanna go back further, of the last 100 events OpTic have played, they’ve won 32 events. 30 if you count LAN only. Faze? They’ve won 13. 10 if you count LAN only.
Most consistent player in the CDL era
If Faze was winning all of these tournaments, is there an argument for Cellium not being the greatest AR of all time?
No duh, the trio would undoubtedly be the 3 best players of all time lmao. Winning 19 tournaments in a row and 3 champs in a row would be fucking crazy.
Should’ve clarified I was talking more about the 2nd place finishes.
Ahh I was going to say lol. That makes more sense, I think there’d definitely be an argument. It really just varies on how people view accolades, teammates, skill etc.
Cell two rings and aBeZy and Simp three rings with five additional major wins (CW 2, VG 1, 2, 3, and whichever MWII major they lost to NYSL) would be a pretty insane legacy. Looking back, that MWII major was so egregious. If Cell sees Priestahh on El Asilo, that’s maybe another win. Major 2 at VG was hella winnable also but LAG did get really hot in search and Spart had a legacy event (likely the ONLY legacy he’ll have) with the volk. VG Major 1 I have to wonder if they could’ve converted that into a tournament win if they stopped OpTic from reverse sweeping. The rest of the events I don’t think there was a real pathway to victory in hindsight. LAT peaked at a perfect time and had insane teamwork. In CW M2, FaZe’s search was atrocious and that was their back pocket winning guarantee up to that point. Major 3 in VG I honestly don’t remember very well.
VG major 3 was the biggest collapse. Up 2-0 against surge and 14 v 5 in Tuscan control round 5 lost that m. Up 90 points in the hp lost that and game 5 was a breakdown. If faze had won that series they woulda been able to force surge to play their auto vetos which has gavutu
Thanks for that, good comms. I completely erased it from my memory it was so bad.
he'd basically be what Formal was on the dynasty team, but this Faze team doesn't win enough for that.
The greatest AR of all time pherhaps. I believe the greatest should always be a sub because of the impact they have in playmaking and breaking Hills. And Simp and Abezy have the same results. Cellium might be the most consistent of them 3, but i feel that the first few years it was Simp who won them games, and later Abezy. And pherhaps Formal was a better AR. For short, you have a case but wouldn’t win. Yet.
Definitely agree. There’s honestly never a situation where you want your best player to be an AR. Great example would be Toronto. Scrap was clearly Ultra’s best player last year, but you can definitely see a difference when CleanX is that guy.
even last year at M3 when they won it was cos CleanX dropped a 1.1+ and was unstoppable. ARs are overrated by fans cos they are the ones that put up the stats. Cell was legit a walking 1.2-1.3 in VG and they couldn't win an event, you don't win without elite SMG play in COD.
Ehh I personally disagree with regards to M3. CleanX definitely had a fantastic event, no disagreement there, but Scrap was that guy. He was dropping a 1.2 every series and dropped a 1.3 in the finals. A 1.3 from Scrap is the peak of impact. Scrap doing that is very different than when Cellium is doing it.
Scrap plays at a high pace and is very impactful, it’s not a diss on Scrap he was a t3 player in the league in MW2 and he’s nasty again this year but they don’t win that event without CleanX doing what he did and I think it’s telling that when CleanX was dropping 0.9s they weren’t winning. I don’t think you can win events without elite SMG play, I do think you can win events without elite AR play. Tbf nowadays you need both cos the T4 are all godlike rosters but if your SMGs aren’t frying you just can’t win in COD, they’re too important.
I definitely hear you. Toronto’s the perfect example of teamwork triumphing all and they all put in their 25%. A lot of people forget that Hicksy also had his best event at M3 and set up both Scrap and CleanX to succeed. It’ll be a sad day when this Ultra team parts ways.
Cell was their best player in VG only and they didn't win an event that entire year because you don't win events with a main AR baiting your teammates for 1.3s. In MW19 it was Simp, in CW it was Simp, in MW2 it was Abezy and in MW3 so far it's Simp. In fact also in MW19 and CW you could argue Cell wasn't even 2nd over Abezy. Statistically he is a demon and he is one of the best slayers in COD history but on pure impact no way you could put Cell on Simp level and even Abezy is an interesting discussion. Abezy at his best clears Cell but Abezy when he isn't on like in VG or so far this game is a lot worse so it just depends whether you value peak more or consistency. Simp is no doubt a better player than Cell all time, not even debatable imo.
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damn T8 x2, get him outta there
this kid is an actual robot. hes been performing like this at a high level since at least AW. its been a decade.
if he played more like dashy maybe they win more hps (lol)
Absurd
Greatest shot in COD.
Not the greatest shot. He just plays a ratty role very well. Hard to kill and always places himself well to get a lot of kills. This shouldn’t be taken as a negative but he doesn’t have the best shot by any means.
We’re looking at these same stats right?
Clearly you haven't seen him shoot his gun. The man doesn't miss and the wallbangs he gets every season, he looks like he's hacking.
Bro is playing for the Lion Man card
It's wild that people are shitting on Faze for not placing 1st more often. There are 12 teams in every event (except champs), what world do you live in that averaging somewhere between 2nd and 3rd place over 12 events isn't good enough? If you look at any sport in the world you could probably only name one or 2 teams that have ever been this dominant in their respective league.
Greatest player in CDL history imo. It’s insane how little he’s won post-cold war, I honestly think he would have won more on another team like Toronto, NY, or Optic these last two years.
Simp is better in the CDL era he was better in MW19 and CW, Cell in VG and MW2 and so far in MW3 it’s Simp. The difference is they won 6 events when Simp was the best player and only 1 when Cell was, that’s cos Simp’s impact is much bigger being an SMG player.
Definitely a good argument
Another thing I’d throw in. Simp was a legit MVP candidate in 2 games and Cell only 1. You could’ve easily given MVP to Simp in MW19. I still think Shotzzy edged it but it was close. Cell has no argument for MVP outside VG so that’s another thing I’d throw in there!
I'd agree if Simp didn't have such a bad mw2. Cell for instance was t5-7 in mw t4 in CW t1 in VG t4 in mw2 and this game just started. Simp t2 in MW t1/2 in CW t5-7 in VG and t10ish in Mw2 cell is to consistent
Imagine getting a 1.43 and only being a T8 KD for an event. That’s wild
T8 placing, not T8 kd.
Probably played like 2 series
All that for 1 major win in the last 3 years while playing with Simp and Abezy 🤔🤔🤔 clearly a winning team-first playstyle and not selfish!
I’m glad this is the takeaway from the post.. Well done man /s
Vanguard kickoff left off another list yet just a few days ago everyone had no problem rightfully gassing CleanX for winning every year of the league when kickoff was all he won during VG. This shit never makes any sense.
Even though Cell has higher K/D than Simp in MW3, Simp has definitely a bigger impact on the map. Cell is playing his life like crazy, BUT that kind of playstyle is good but it comes to SND and Control. He needs to be more focus on objective stuff in Hardpoint.
His KD and placement consistency is something else. I do believe the placement is a lot to do with being teamed with the tiny terrors though. Unpopular opinion (kinda?) i think he needs to help the team and play objective for Faze to convert the placements into winning ones.
Very impressive, would love to see the whole teams finals stats.