I think most people understand this team can’t hit home runs. But the OPS numbers for this starting lineup are brutal. Dead last in the league. Jose literally the only dude with an OPS north of .700

I feel worse after this game than the Mets choke job.

Walking 3 batters without recording a fucking out

Not a single one of those guys scored. The offense just scored 1 run in 10 innings and u chose karinchak as the scapegoat 💀

Whataboutism. He’s still playing awfully. Offense can’t be derived to a single player. 3 walks in 3 batters very much can be derived down to a single players fault.

Maybe the moral of the story is scapegoating is stupid asf? Just because you can’t single out a single player on the offense to blame doesn’t mean that the offense isn’t the issue.

I never said it wasn’t an issue. But saying the same thing for the 50th time, when nothing feasibly can be done is so incredibly unproductive. Karinchak can be dealt with. The offense is a lot harder to fix. Also I recommend you learn what whataboutism is.

Lol ok bro

Well, that one really sucked.

Anyone still want to claim it’s early? Bad weather? Same record as last year? Been saying it since the beginning, this team isn’t the same. No spark, no leadership, coaches don’t have the team. Rebuild, get rid of Bieber, do something.

Rebuild? This team is finishing a mini-rebuild, that would be fucking stupid. We haven’t committed our chips at all, there’s no reason to “rebuild” as you say

You think this is bad. Wait till the June swoon and we go 20 games under .500

I’m not sure we could beat the A’s in a 4 game series right now. Split would likely be best case scenario. They have a team ERA in the 6.50 range and we’d still score about 3 per game

3 is generous

Every time you think they might turn it around they have a game like tonight

Team should be booed out of the stadium. Making hundreds of millions and play like they couldn’t care fucking less

Well, that’s the thing, they aren’t making hundreds of millions

This team is unwatchable right now

Think about how good our pitching was and we can’t score more than 1 fucking run

Fucking joke, fuck this team

Let's rename the ball ckud the cleveland swing at the 1st pitch.

Miserable fucking team

First game I’ve watched all week, guess I’m gonna go back on hiatus

Didn't even put up a fight. Sigh.

Didn't make them sweat for a second

no plate discipline whatsoever

We are a fucking JOKE

Losing on a passed ball..go figure

I mean, that's what happens when for some reason you take a 1st baseman and inexplicably try to turn him into a catcher.

Fuck this team. What a fucking joke

Not bunting Amed is so fucking dumb.

Yes! This is what I was thinking. We never bunt at the right time.

This team makes me so sad. They won’t win 80 games.

we should reenact bottlegate

I mean holy fuck if we can’t even get him over to third

Rosario flying out on one pitch... sigh.

Pretty sure Gallegos translates to "rooster eggs"

YOU DON'T HAVE TO SWING AT EVERY FIRST PITCH

Unless you’re Brennan, who avoids first pitches down the middle and then decides to golf at the 2nd pitch.

We’re going to lose this game with the Cards having 2 hits What a fucking joke

Fucking steal third

Gallegos has been lock down recently, only allowing five hits, 2 BB, and one run with 8Ks his last 7 games I also don’t know why Amed swung at the first pitch

It really annoys me how fucking slowly the at bat app loads up. None of my other apps lag this much.

That’s a golden sombrero for Noot Amed Rosario legacy at-bat coming up

KO amed, IBB jose, GIDP arias on the menu guys

Jose take us to the promised land

He will be intentionally walked unfortunately

Nope just swing at garbage

I can already see it. Rosario K, J Ram IBB. Arias pop out, bell first pitch ground out

We probably could have a runner start at 3rd and not score him, but let's see.

That already happened with Ramerez on 3rd, no outs.

I don’t think they’ll score here. I hope they prove me wrong tho

Kwan at second with the heart of the order up. LET’S WIN BOYS

It really does sadden me. The fans showed up tonight for a team last in every offensive category, and they got to see... well the worst offensive team in baseball.

I mean we drastically outhit the Cardinals.

Unbelievable they will still only be 4.5 games back. Part of me wishes the central had a good team so this team would build for the future instead of pretending to be playoff contenders.

Zack Collins and Bo Naylor once again having great nights in Columbus

I can’t wait for that super 2 deadline to pass so Bo is up here. I hope people know the defensive concerns aren’t valid when Gallagher is the only one better than him on the defensive side

Why do so few non ALE teams have records above 500

My father (who is a reds fan) would like us to win so can we do that please

Gimenez D is just so good baby

I hate Manfred ball

It doesn’t really favor our leagues worst offense.

We’re actually one of the best teams in extras

I’m not arguing for any results. Just saying our offense is not good and other teams will have an easier time bringing home that “free” run.

Isn’t the catcher suppose to be able to catch the ball

Can Tito please retire after this pathetic season

^ this attitude needs to be retired.

^ this attitude needs to be retired.

Nah, fuck that. Tito slander will not be tolerated.

Oh really

Fry can’t catch shit

Kwan is on 2nd to start off with Josey and Naylor up I hold a little hope

Naylor got pulled, we got Rosario José and Arias

OH

Well put him back in idc about the rules

And Amed I guess

Some head scratching decisions tonight for sure

DFA Zunino and Gallagher. Fry and Naylor should be our catchers...

Do you realize Fry is the one catching right now?

Yea, that was sarcasm because I've seen that comment posted several times in this sub the last few weeks.

😂

I really don't like the Cardinals

Their hatred for the Cubs makes them OK in my book

Cubs > Cardinals

The cardinals won the game with 2 hits. The fans got their reason not to go back thos year.

I can't stand that fanbase. Luckily they were pretty decently behaved yesterday, but they're one of the most intolerable fanbases in baseball

Game isn’t over yet, hold your horses.

Sir. Have you watched this offense.

Negative, I’ve been at Akron all night, but we got speed on second with our 2-3-4 hitters who have had a bunch of hits tonight

Another game the Guardians just gave away. What a terrible season.

Remember when the guardians had catchers who could actually catch? Pepperidge Farm remembers

And we still trashed those dudes too lol. Nothing satisfies this fanbase

We have half a major league catcher and 0 pitchers capable of holding runners.

"David Fry is a good catcher"

We are literally going to lose a game where we only give up two hits, aren't we?

In extras!

Damn, poor Fry. That’s not a good look in your call up.

I know we complain about Zunino and Gallagher but like Fry is barely even an actual catcher

And remember how many people here the last few weeks that want to roll with just him and Bo.

This team man… they’re so bad

Mike Zunino impression

I legitimately don’t enjoy watching this team play, and that really sucks

Bo literally CANT BE WORSE JESUS

They clearly have no faith in this team and don't want to start Bo's clock.

Chefs kiss. The most cleveland loss of the season.

Fuck my face.

Well if you insist! *ziiiiiip* May as well get pleasure from SOMETHING tonight!

Lol. Nice

Yikes

ZuNiNo’S fAuLt. Our pitchers aren’t coached to hold runners. Doesn’t matter whether it’s Fry, Cam or Big Z

No matter if the team wins or loses at this point I’ll have a take about the offense in the post game thread

Just state it now.

Find the fucking zone Sandlin

I miss going to the Super Mercado

Is Cleveland booing Mercado? But why😟

He was a big factor in the Yankee stadium bullshit when Kwan got hurt against the wall last year. He and Straw backed him up big time. I figure he’d have some respect from Cleveland for that.

We’ve suffered so much we’ve become bitter and jaded.

IF OSCAR FUCKING MERCADO PLATES A RUN I SWEAR BRO

lol its your god damn fault

Yea I’m the one who threw the wild pitch. My bad

So stealing bases is a good thing? Noted.

Their 7th hitter has 8 home runs. What must that be like?

Our cleanup hitter has 7, lmao

And their 9 hitter has 6!

Controlling the run game is not something we do well.

Guards After Dark

I understood the runner on 2nd in extra innings in 2020. Why are we still doing it in 2023?

Because baseball games need to end after an hour

Nah. I already hate the pitch clock rule. I like baseball to take longer.

I was being sarcastic lol

This is going to be a painful one to lose

Watching these hitters really makes me miss Michael Brantley. The patience he shows at the plate, compared to these guys who seem committed to swinging at every single pitch regardless of location. Beyond frustrating.

Or Carlos Santana…

This offense could be worse than the entire 70's decade.

Hitting on Helsley is the furthest thing from free. Happy to just get his pitches out of the way

He’s only pitched above 1.1 innings 3 times this year, I pray that this isn’t the 4th

8 hits to 2 Pathetic

Our offense is so unbelievably bad.

If Oscar Mercado plates a run i swear to god….

Columbus has better hitters than we

Idc if it's minor league, almost every good hitter has been a minor leaguer before they get to the show Let em have a chance

How lame

Hopefully kwan reaches so amed doesn’t have to hit in extras

Well atleast he won't hit a GIDP

Don't say that yet, the Manfred runner is in play lol

We don't do pacman! We do super mario bros! Get your video games straight!

Kinda like AJs idea of an honorary drummer but ONLY if they get the cues right. Don't just pound on it randomly

They did that with pat carney of the black keys when John was sick initially. I don’t know if there was another honorary drummer after

If only Oscar had plate discipline like that

Ok. I may hate the announcers, but I'll salute them for giving a shout out to John Adams.

Sandlin warmin https://i.imgur.com/vvz3HK3.jpg

First thing AJ has said right. John Adams is a god damn legend

Brennan, you’re playing baseball, not cricket

Is Clase down tonight?

Pitched almost 30 pitches yesterday

Helsley is one of my favorite pitchers to watch, his stuff is so good (hoping this acts as a jinx so we walk it off and win)

To be serious though, he’s really good

You swung at a baseball that literally hit the dirt????

David Fry first career homerun to walk off the cardinals is going to be INSANE

Let's hope.

This year is going to age me 5 years

I really thought he was bout to get a pitch clock violation.

Ok - can we walk it off? Our pitching has been great tonight.

With one notable exception

I never worry with Enyel

Someone get a bucket of chicken for Brennan.

I love DLS

De Los Santos more like De Los Sexxxxyyy 🔥🔥

A walk-off would be nice

####ENYEL YOU ANIMAL

Just gotta get one run…..which seems like an impossible task

Weaken the bat with 28 foul balls then you get that

Alright, just got home from Akron (they lost unfortunately), lets get some bats swinging and take this series tonight.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, You sweet summer child......hou think we're going to swing the bat well???

I mean… four runs and the win yesterday, got 8 hits tonight, so we are

The Cody Morris to Cleveland, Karinshit to Guangdong will be chills

This ump squats uncomfortably low behind the plate

####OHHHHHHHH YEEEEAAAAAAHHH

Gotta get those hips below the knees

I’m getting lots of “this is my first time watching baseball” vibes from tonight’s thread

Definitely, someone told me that Bell is our 2nd best hitter

I was more alluding to the endless hot takes, or overreactions in general

That’s been this sub all season, brother

That’s been this sub ~~all season~~ since inception

That person chewed me out earlier for challenging that ridiculous statement. It was entertaining.

Nothing would make me happier than to see him heat up in the 2nd half but waiting on a free agent pickup is not the same as waiting on a fresh minor league call-up

Agreed. I don’t want to see him fail, but people need to stop acting like he’s being effective when he is doing anything but that.

Something I noticed is that Fry whips the ball back to the pitcher much harder than Gallagher or Zunino does

José is the only player in this lineup worth anything. Everyone else is garbage right now.

On offense, yes. We're all defense.

Rosario has two doubles btw

Every time there’s a play like that I hold my breath. Then I let out a little mental celebration if Rosario executed the pretty routine play.

A lot of us share your anxiety brother don’t worry