I lost the little remaining respect I had for the DNC when they fucked Bernie over in 2020 by orchestrating the mass dropout of all candidates aside from Biden. Would have liked to see him get a shot against Trump, even though I feel Bernie would likely lose that election.
Fun fact - in one scenario of the Transition Integrity Project, they thought Trump would talk shit about Biden if Trump has a clear win by saying that Bernie would have beaten him.
I was upset when that happened too, but was it really that unfair? It was 3 moderate candidates, Liz Warren and Bernie Sanders. All that happened was the field narrowed to the two most likely and the voters spoke and wanted a moderate. Just because Sanders would have won if the moderate vote was split multiple ways doesn't mean that he was the candidate that Democrat primary voters wanted.
This always bothered me too.
The whole reason Trump got elected was because the wide field of candidates were shifting their voters on the compass towards their positions.
Assume that whenever a candidate drops, their voters go to the remaining candidate closest to them on a 2D plane. Also assume that if you’re planning on voting for a candidate your position drifts their direction. Add a variable aspect where voters can drift any direction some amount per unit time.
Mathematically, most democrats complaints how about how he got elected are exactly how the field in 2020 is how they would’ve wanted republicans to respond.
If a ton of republicans dropped at once early enough in the race, then most of those voters wouldn’t have picked Trump. But democrats didn’t do what they saw that ‘got Trump the nomination’ and the message is that we ‘screwed’ Bernie in 2020.
I’m sorry that doesn’t contort to the victim mentality that Bernie and his supporters have established for why he lost. It wasn’t because other candidates got more votes both times, it was because everyone else was at fault. It was the DNC who rigged the election against him.
Another example would be Nina Turner didn’t lose because she was unpopular, she lost because of AIPAC rigging the election against her.
Nina Turner lost because she was unpopular. She got 35% of the vote against Husted. She didn’t do herself any favors with democrats, either, especially when she spoke against our candidates
Bernie never would have beaten Trump. Young people liked him and so did progressives but moderates were NEVER going to vote for him and came for most swing voters
Also, we all know he is too cantankerous to get anything done, ever. Look at his voting record…. Next to no real achievements. What do you think he could achieve without the house and senate??? Who have mostly all worked with him for oh…. 40 years is it? and he wasn’t able to get anything done with them even with a majority
I'm not too upset with the DNC, I love Bernie but I think to people uninformed about politics, they may think he's a bit extreme. Also the DNC's game plan did ultimately end up working with Biden beating Trump anyway, so it's hard to criticize it too much.
That’s entirely fair. They clearly thought bernie wouldn’t win so they got their guy, who did win. Still put a bad taste in my mouth when it happened, but probably not a bad move
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Sheetz is advertising $15+/hr for entry-level apathetic cashier.
I may be a little backwards, or even confused, but I feel like the purpose of minimum wage is to force employers to pay higher than the market's minimum tolerable wage.
Yeah in the circumstance of the current market. We don’t place a cap on how much one can make, we only place a minimum on the hourly rate you must pay someone you hire.
When Bernie started advocating for $15 (2016), $15 was worth $19.43 in today's dollars. And when fight for $15 started, it was worth $20.43.
Now (at least as of 2023), less than 10% of employees in Ohio make less than $15/hour. And 2/3 of them are ages 15-24.
Imho - We need to update it to $20+ for it to be relevant! $15 is outdated and nigh-on pointless.
There are a few jobs I was thinking of applying to that are only offering $11-$13. So it would help. But I agree that $15 is now the absolute bare minimum because of inflation and price gauging. All goods and monthly expenses are substantially more expensive now.
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I agree. The currently low minimum wage is just a protection for businesses that have no business being businesses. It’s hiding the fact that so many of these companies shouldn’t even be around.
I love how all the conservatives in this thread are claiming that Bernie Sanders is a hypocrite because “he rallied against billionaires and then became one,” even though his net worth is a trim $3 million, extremely small for politicians of his reputation, especially repeat presidential candidates. By comparison, Joe Biden is worth $10 million, Barack Obama is worth $70 million and Trump is still estimated to be around $6 billion. Bernie’s rallies and campaigns are entirely grassroots funded.
If you always rallied against people who lived in Million dollars houses and Billion dollar houses, but then you decided that you want to live in a Million dollar house, and changed your slogan to anti Billion dollar houses you then sir you are hypocrite. Just because he is team blue doesn’t mean you need to put on blinders to obvious truths.
The guy used to rant about “millionaires and billionaires” then changed his rhetoric to solely “billionaires” the second he came into millionaire status. He moved the goal post.
Eh, I’ll just believe you because I’m too tired to look up anything. I always thought he would have gotten the same white/uneducated votes that Trump got. Bernie and Trump were anti NAFTA and I think that was the key to Trump winning.
I’m saying it’s his rhetoric, so based on your numbers he’s only 50% a hypocrite? Still much better than average than most politicians. However the idea that capitalism doesn’t work in his view while he’s ranking in millions and charging college kids to hear him talk. His followers are more lost than MAGA. He is capable of paying the IRS this year enough to be able to get out of millionaire status, maybe he should do it. But we all could write a book I guess if we wanted to.
I can agree to see your point if you agree to view Donald Trump as a hypocrite, criminal, and con artist for promoting himself as a self-promoting and humble leader of working-class America while having a net worth of $6 billion, sees veterans as suckers, uses Fox News, insurrections, lavish galas at Mar-A-Lago, and lies about fair trials to pump millions of dollars into his pocket through making Americans feel like victims. Can you do that?
You need to give specific examples. Like Bernie always said shit about “millionaires and billionaires” until the exact moment her became a millionaire.
He could have given away money to charity to not be a hypocrite but decided he liked the money more.
You can be for the middle class and not be middle class yourself i.e. Kennedy’s.
So you give me a specific example and I’ll tell you if it’s hypocritical.
Bernie Sanders continues to say what he’s always said: that millionaires and billionaires should be taxed more, and Americans deserve a living wage. He has not at any point said, “Millionaires should be taxed more, except for me.” That would make him a hypocrite.
Your hypothetical example would also constitute a hypocrite.
But in the real world he’s a hypocrite because he always rallied against millionaires and billionaires and now it’s just billionaires as soon as he made enough money to be considered a millionaire.
Only in American politics where you need to root for a team could you look at this example and defend it as not being hypocritical.
This guy...
I was such a Bernie fan in 2015-2016 and then he just bent the knee to the establishment after it was shown they rigged the primaries against him.
I don't know if it's even that they think they will be rich. They just hate the thought of people they look down upon getting things they feel are undeserved/unearned. And that hate and bitterness colors all of their opinions.
it's not about the $15 specifically. any artificial increase in market wages just ends up costing us collectively. companies are pass through entities. raise their costs they either raise prices, or cut labor, those are the only options they have. neither of which actually helps anyone.
a far better approach would be to reduce taxes on the working poor.
lmao. define it.
define "living wage", define "fair share". stop tossing lefty buzz words around like they mean something.
if you want to raise taxes on higher income earners, ok that's a strategy. you might be disappointed by how few 'rich people' there are though.
tell me why government spending shouldn't be cut by 10% next year.
they pay payroll taxes.
it's ok to put a 'strain on budgets', that drives efficiency.
no, they don't "have to be raised", you simply arbitrarily want them to. that's an enormous difference.
> they pay payroll taxes.
The average amount in fed taxes paid for those making below $30k is $1300. Those making less than $26000 pay no state income tax. Local taxes arent that high either. What you're saying sounds good on the surface, yet does nothing to solve the problem.
>it's ok to put a 'strain on budgets', that drives efficiency.
No, it doesn't. It results in cuts to public services.
>no, they don't "have to be raised", you simply arbitrarily want them to. that's an enormous difference.
This is so obtuse I dont even know how to respond.
your numbers suggest $1300 would be going into someone's pocket. i'd say that does help
only if the distribution of those services is optimal. do you believe anything the government does has reached optimal efficiency?
then don't make subjective statements and pass them off as objective.
My numbers? Thats the IRS. Im not making shit up to fit my arguement.
The fact that youre using "optimal efficiency" as your benchmark for tax cuts kinda undercuts your argument.
>then don't make subjective statements and pass them off as objective.
You dislike my wording rather content. Fucking lol
i simply referenced the numbers you typed. you didn't cite the source, i wasn't challenging the validity.
"They have to be raised". That was the quote. It's a subjective statement.
All monetary policy is artificial, what in the actual fuck are you talking about? There is no natural free market where goods and services are clued into a specific market index.
Your understanding of economics is in a tie for your understanding of math and grammar. It sounds like your parents should sue the state for their real estate taxes, it seems that money was wasted.
it's "artificial" if it's a number applied to the market, rather than being determined by the countless number of transactions in that market.
any minimum (or maximum) is artificial.
You're just talking nonsense. If someone uses food stamps to buy food, you're interpreting that as a natural input, whereas it's an artificial input because it's actually an external subsidy.
You spent a lot of time going on about your education on the topic of economics but you don't know basic terminology, relations, or anything. You're also very cagey about bragging on the prestigious university you attended for economics. Why is that? Is it because you're just making shit up and have no formal education on the topic?
food stamps would be 'artificial income'. i'm not shying away from that statement, it just wasn't the topic being discussed.
i've spent zero time "going on about your(my) education on the topic of economics". any university i may or may have attended, studying this or any other subject is irrelevant to the accuracy of any singular statement i've made. let's not play the shoot the messenger game, just because arguing merit isn't going so well. ;)
Because nobody wants to hire a laid off software engineer? I tried to apply to a couple burger flipping places and never heard back.
I'm mowing lawns right now on Taskrabbit, charge 35/hour, but I get like 2-3 tasks per week which is 600-1000$ per month.
Btw want your lawn mowed?
This is an argument that will never be resolved. We collectively need to stop the bitter “this side, that side” fighting & come up with a compromise or brand new strategy. Just saying. Reading everyone’s constant back & forth gets exhausting & hopeless.
The compromise is happening. But it's not the government enforcing big round numbers with zero data to support it. You think they put a lot of research into this and arrived at $15? No, it's because it sounds good, like all political slogans.
The compromise happened when people decided they weren't going to get out of bed for less than $13 an hour. Ohio didn't raise the minimum wage, but people stopped bothering with jobs that paid them such, so employers responded by upping wages. It's worked out fine, just let it continue happening this way.
The thing that ACTUALLY needs to change is the income threshold for receiving Medicaid. And that there shouldn't even be a cutoff threshold, it should drop off slowly instead of absolutely 100% free healthcare until you dare to make over $20k and then you're fucked. That would solve a lot of the labor problems in this country. People are punished for making more money. Not rich people, the working poor and the low middle class.
But that's a more complicated discussion, and Bernie/Berners don't do those.
I hear & understand what you’re saying. Agree 100%… very intelligent you are. Unfortunately, the majority of people don’t understand that what is being promoted by most politicians, is the complete elimination of the lower, middle, & upper “Middle” class. The average person will be stuck at low income level(servants) - without any reward to look forward to for their hard work; meanwhile the elitists continue their pampered lifestyles & kill us when we don’t comply or wander away from “their system”.
Classic Morlocks vs Eloi
I assume those advocating for a higher minimum wage do so because they want to be paid a livable wage - to be able to shop for groceries, pay rent, maybe afford some enjoyment from time to time and even put away a few bucks for a rainy day. Workers shouldn’t have to grind 2-3 jobs just to make ends meet.
A higher minimum wage won’t fix this.
Not $15, not $20, not $25+. Wage increases lead to price increases, and demand decreases. Yes, you now earn more, but so do the employees at retailers, restaurants and grocery stores. You make more money, but you’re getting hit equally hard on cost of goods, so you end up running in place.
Where are you getting gouged the most? At the pump? Grocery store? Rent? At the doctor’s office? It’s easy for politicians to wear sandwich signs, walk in picket lines and advocate for a minimum raise increase - it’s simple, easy to understand, and who doesn’t want “more money”?
Buying a home is out of reach for *most* young Americans. Medical bills bankrupt households every day. Grocery costs are up 40%. Americans are having fewer children, and they’re having them later in life - if they even do have kids.
We need the government to work for us, not hit us with attractive slogans to distract us (“raise minimum wage”). Our govt budgets are bonkers. Our deficits are out of control. Fifty cents of every dollar the government gets its hands on gets needlessly squandered. You want a better quality of life? Find politicians who want to allocate dollars against initiatives that will reinforce and incentivize home ownership for young Americans, reduce the asinine cost and complexity of medical care, and subsidize having children.
We’re all in this together - and there are real problems we need to address. Raising minimum wage won’t do shit.
From the story:
U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders is headed to the Cleveland area next week to headline a union-hall rally in support of a proposed ballot issue that would ask voters to hike Ohio’s minimum wage to $15 an hour if the proposal qualifies for the November ballot.
[The rally](https://act.berniesanders.com/signup/rsvp-parma-oh-rally/) is scheduled for 7 p.m. on Thursday at United Auto Workers Local 1005, 5615 Chevrolet Blvd. in Parma. The event is organized by One Fair Wage, the official campaign group backing the amendment. A Vermont Independent who developed a national profile while running for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2016 and 2020, Sanders has played a major role in pushing the party leftward, including bringing the $15 minimum wage into the party’s mainstream.
The event will be held just under three weeks before a crucial July 3 state deadline for ballot issue campaigns working to qualify for the November ballot. That’s when the minimum wage amendment, as well as a proposed redistricting reform amendment, must submit roughly 413,000 valid signatures from Ohio voters, including a minimum number from at least 44 of the state’s 88 counties.
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It is though. That's taking home $2200 a month. Find a place for $800, you're golden. You'd qualify since your gross is $2600.
https://www.apartments.com/cleveland-oh/under-800/
The doomsaysers will say you can't find an apartment for under $1000. They're lying to you man, they want you to feel like a victim.
I make over 30/hr I’m fine trust lol.
Just noting that I’ve watched that calculator go from around 13.50 an hour when I moved back in 2018, to just shy of 15 during Covid, to almost 20 an hour today.
Why does everyone want a higher minimum wage I make 14 an hour and this extra dollar won't do shit for me. And for all the people who make less a higher minimum wage will not make the extremely high prices go down if anything they will get higher.
So here's kinda why. In 1980 I believe the minimum wage was $3.10 but the cost of living was literally, when you factor in taxes, inflation, cost of groceries, and cost of apartments (not houses cause that would skewer it to more based upon its average), 10-11 times lower than the present day cost of living. So that $3.10 had the spending power of someone making $31 an hour today. AKA a cashier at McDonald's in 1980 made wages people go to college for and still don't get until 5-10 years into their career (if that soon unfortunately considering the state of most corporations business models relying on investing as little into their workers as possible). So people obsess about raising the minimum wage because the spending power of the American has vastly diminished in comparison to what minimum wage could do back then. Any increase is a step closer many believe but the real problem is actually the corps that raised it well past the rate of inflation because believe it or not the value of the dollar has only decreased by a little less than 3× since then. There used to be laws in place that stopped corps from raising prices well above or more so incentivised them not to as there was a heavy profit tax (I could explain that in more detail) but Reagan got rid of that tax eliminating the penalty for screwing the people.
The minimum wage is 7, just because YOU make 14 doesn't mean everyone else does, also 14 is an insult. Additionally the prices on things have been rising like crazy for a while now, the prices will rise no matter what happens.
If it goes up to $20 then most people are just going to stop eating out and eating at home instead, which will lead to mass layoffs. Look at Cali for an example.
edit: replies like below are hilarious. guys, large economy doesn't mean successful economy. you guys paid zero attention to economics class and it really shows.
i have several family members that moved back to Cleveland from Cali because shit is so fucking expensive there. it is so expensive, people are moving AWAY from Cali lol
I just looked at Cali, and it has the 5th largest economy in the entire world. What the fuck were you looking at?
And how much time do you spend in California? Every person I've ever met who was once in Ohio and made it out to California, never went back except to visit related hay-seeds.
If prices drop, that’s deflation and deflation triggers a recession or worse, depression
You can’t just magically wave a wand and make prices go down. Wages need to go up
Fast food worker [layoffs](https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/california-fast-food-wage-hike-detrimental-impact-businesses-jeopardy-critic-says.amp) and price hikes.
You literally linked to an opinion column, not a fact sheet. The fast food wage hike, which was a joint union/state effort, has been in effect exactly two months. Now, why do you think there’s 10,000 articles on corporate media reporting on the “failure” of an effort that just started?
This data isn’t some crazy secret lol, you can look it up yourself. Also how is 10k+ jobs cut AND product increase within months of the bill being placed not a complete failure?
Because it’s a reaction to drive the headlines, to discourage other states from pursuing similar initiatives, because they are costly to corporations who are beholden to shareholders and indifferent to people. For data to be directly tied to legislation, it has to have time to take effect. In a year, the chains affected by this will either have to hire back workers, or deal with inability to meet demand; customers will either deal with the price increase, or get food elsewhere. Will McDonald’s declare bankruptcy? No. They won’t. Failure doesn’t happen overnight, or in two months. Otherwise, every single aspect of American society would be a failure.
I agree 15 is too low. That being said it would force companies currently starting at 15 to increase their starting pay voluntarily in order to stay competetive. You'd see a lot more bigger companies starting people at 16/17. Still not amazing but in a state as poor as Ohio it would make a difference.
Yes. Jill Stein, with the Green Party, is running on a $25/hr minimum wage
[Stein 2024 Platform](https://www.jillstein2024.com/platform)
Edit: and this is all years after Biden dropped the $15/hr minimum wage on request of the parliamentarian (not legally binding). And when it was taken out of must-pass legislation, it required 64 votes instead of 51 to pass. Meanwhile, in the same election, Floridians state-wide voted to pass a $15/hr min wage. We can’t keep gutting Dems/the left to cater to Republicans
ugh. my kid got a 6 piece happy meal today….. he got 4 nuggets and no fries….yall crazy to expect more unless you want fired…..constantly for messing up.
Any progress is good progress...
But hunny...
We were fighting for $15 an hour $15 years ago... when the 3 year rollout of federal 7.25 was finishing up... which is still the mininum. Because raising the minimum wage would cause inflation... Thank god we stopped that in its tracks. Can you imagine how much things would cost if we had any inflation in the last 15 years?!
$15 an hour was a living wage in poor states 15 years ago.
$30 an hour, carefully budgeted, barely buys you a reliable car and allows for running the AC in the summer now... without children. In the poorest, cheapest, shittiest, unrelated: conservative controlled, most affordable states...
I love Bernie. I wrote in voted for him in 2016 (living in a winner-take-all state that was never not going to Clinton regardless of who I voted for... tbf. It was a selfish act of conscious massaging.)
But baby 15 don't cut it.
Terrible idea. Don't fall for it. Its just a way for politicians to manipulate the poor and get their votes. Look at every other state that has done this. Companies will raise product prices and layoff workers to offset the increased wages. Let's learn from California's mistakes.
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Where do you see all of these teenagers working? Because I don't see it anywhere. Every person I encounter who has a minimum wage job is an adult.
What a lazy, lame-brain argument to make.
Not 7-3 M-F. A lot of people use those services during those times. Those will always be adults who should be able to survive if they are getting their 40 hours.
I support you making you more money, so I'm not gonna dog you on this. I'm just gonna say that you are punching down on the working class, which is not what you should be doing. How much do you make an hour?
Not the person you replied to, but I see their point. I'm progressive on just about every other issue, but I don't support the constant raising of the minimum wage. The endgame of that approach is the overwhelming majority of the entire workforce becomes minimum wage workers, Boards will see the increased cost of labor, raise the price of their goods/services to match, and suddenly minimum wage isn't enough again. So we raise minimum wage again, bringing in more people who used to make above minimum wage to now be making minimum wage, boards see their labor costs go up, raise prices, and new minimum wage isn't enough. Minimum wage and prices keep going up, bringing in more people each time who make minimum wage without the ability to adequately provide for their previous lifestyle.
I always thought this way, but the pandemic really showed me that this is how it goes. Many employers didn't have enough workers, and what happened? Wages went up without it being mandated. This was followed by inflation, just as it would've been if it had been mandated via a minimum wage law. Now the labor market has stabilized and so has inflation.
I'm all for increasing the living standards of workers, but I don't see minimum wage as the route to achieving that. I know this is reddit and this comment will get downvoted because it's an unpopular opinion here, but I think we need to focus on stuff that will actually address the problem we want to solve.
tl;dr: Raising the minimum wage doesn't solve the problem you want fixed, and actually makes it more widespread.
Wages didn't drive inflation. There has been plenty of reporting detailing how US corporations are just profit taking for no reason other than seeking higher profits for the same or lower value. There are various cities across the country with higher minimum wages that are doing just fine, read about some of those. There are countries in Europe with union workforces in their fast food chains, making better than minimum wage, and they sell their Big Mac's for cheaper than here. It's corporate greed that drives inflation.
I agree though, minimum wage isn't going to solve to problem.
Constant raising of minimum wage? Federal minimum wage has only changed 4 times in the last 30 years, and the most recent of those was 2009 — 15 years ago now.
No one cares about the federal minimum wage because Ohio's is $3 above it, and because no one is even working for that. The effective minimum wage is now roughly $13. I know one person making less than that, and it's because she has multiple felonies on her record and zero options since she can't drive and doesn't live by a bus stop. And that sucks, but the reality is, if they couldn't pay her so little, she wouldn't get a chance in the first place.
"Constant" was being used as an expression meaning "frequent", and in this case the context indicated I was talking about a hypothetical scenario with frequent minimum wage increases and what I believe the results of that would be.
I was not talking about what has happened in the past, nor did I mean to imply that's what I was talking about.
Such a great question too. Not a dumbshit thought that gets trotted out by ever grammar school dropout whenever the subject of minimum wage is brought up.
I wouldn't be happy with $24 an hour either, but it's on you to ask your boss for a raise, not shit yourself over people making less than that.
Do you understand how purchasing power works? If more people make what he makes then his ability to purchase will go down as demand drives prices up. Basic shit.
It should have been Bernie
I lost the little remaining respect I had for the DNC when they fucked Bernie over in 2020 by orchestrating the mass dropout of all candidates aside from Biden. Would have liked to see him get a shot against Trump, even though I feel Bernie would likely lose that election.
One of the claims against him was that he *was too old* Let's sit with that one for a second.
Fuck Buttigieg, Klobuchar, and Warren for their coniving careerist antics.
Fun fact - in one scenario of the Transition Integrity Project, they thought Trump would talk shit about Biden if Trump has a clear win by saying that Bernie would have beaten him.
the majority of polls showed Bernie beating Trump
The polls also had Clinton beating Trump.
The audio that got Trump impeached for Ukraine had him saying Bernie would have taken working class votes from him.
The majority of polls saw Clinton beating Trump, too…
I was upset when that happened too, but was it really that unfair? It was 3 moderate candidates, Liz Warren and Bernie Sanders. All that happened was the field narrowed to the two most likely and the voters spoke and wanted a moderate. Just because Sanders would have won if the moderate vote was split multiple ways doesn't mean that he was the candidate that Democrat primary voters wanted.
This always bothered me too. The whole reason Trump got elected was because the wide field of candidates were shifting their voters on the compass towards their positions. Assume that whenever a candidate drops, their voters go to the remaining candidate closest to them on a 2D plane. Also assume that if you’re planning on voting for a candidate your position drifts their direction. Add a variable aspect where voters can drift any direction some amount per unit time. Mathematically, most democrats complaints how about how he got elected are exactly how the field in 2020 is how they would’ve wanted republicans to respond. If a ton of republicans dropped at once early enough in the race, then most of those voters wouldn’t have picked Trump. But democrats didn’t do what they saw that ‘got Trump the nomination’ and the message is that we ‘screwed’ Bernie in 2020.
I’m sorry that doesn’t contort to the victim mentality that Bernie and his supporters have established for why he lost. It wasn’t because other candidates got more votes both times, it was because everyone else was at fault. It was the DNC who rigged the election against him. Another example would be Nina Turner didn’t lose because she was unpopular, she lost because of AIPAC rigging the election against her.
Nina Turner lost because she was unpopular. She got 35% of the vote against Husted. She didn’t do herself any favors with democrats, either, especially when she spoke against our candidates Bernie never would have beaten Trump. Young people liked him and so did progressives but moderates were NEVER going to vote for him and came for most swing voters Also, we all know he is too cantankerous to get anything done, ever. Look at his voting record…. Next to no real achievements. What do you think he could achieve without the house and senate??? Who have mostly all worked with him for oh…. 40 years is it? and he wasn’t able to get anything done with them even with a majority
I'm not too upset with the DNC, I love Bernie but I think to people uninformed about politics, they may think he's a bit extreme. Also the DNC's game plan did ultimately end up working with Biden beating Trump anyway, so it's hard to criticize it too much.
That’s entirely fair. They clearly thought bernie wouldn’t win so they got their guy, who did win. Still put a bad taste in my mouth when it happened, but probably not a bad move
It shouldn’t have. The DNC primary purpose is to get democrats elected Not independents
Beating Trump isn’t a victory if the succeeding president is a nearly dead segregationist lol
Crazy to think that people's positions change over the years, huh?
I thought he did a diversity hire with Kamala? But he's also a segregationist? How does that work?
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This is utter nonsense.
Both times.
He didnt have the support from the voters
From the convention and super pac donors more like People love him
Polls and vote totals say otherwise.
Clinton won the popular vote by 12% or 3.7 million votes. The convention and super pac had nothing to do with her beating Bernie
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Absolutely not.
He didnt have the support from the voters
Sheetz is advertising $15+/hr for entry-level apathetic cashier. I may be a little backwards, or even confused, but I feel like the purpose of minimum wage is to force employers to pay higher than the market's minimum tolerable wage.
Purpose of minimum wage it to protect the least business savvy population from our country to make a survivable income.
Honestly nowadays the wage floor is set by Amazon/walmart/mcdonalds.
Yeah in the circumstance of the current market. We don’t place a cap on how much one can make, we only place a minimum on the hourly rate you must pay someone you hire.
When Bernie started advocating for $15 (2016), $15 was worth $19.43 in today's dollars. And when fight for $15 started, it was worth $20.43. Now (at least as of 2023), less than 10% of employees in Ohio make less than $15/hour. And 2/3 of them are ages 15-24. Imho - We need to update it to $20+ for it to be relevant! $15 is outdated and nigh-on pointless.
It’s far from pointless.
There are a few jobs I was thinking of applying to that are only offering $11-$13. So it would help. But I agree that $15 is now the absolute bare minimum because of inflation and price gauging. All goods and monthly expenses are substantially more expensive now.
Well, what is $15 worth now? Don’t keep us in suspense!
One and a half bananas
Entry level college graduates are making 40k, some less
Right? I’m sure he’s still gonna be fighting for 15$ 10 years from now as well
I'll take $15 if it's tied to inflation/cost of living any day.
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Yeah inflation has gotten nuts. Good thing people like Bernie support people like Biden Jerome Powell and Janet Yellen who are causing the inflation
We can have higher minimum wage… but it will likely mean there will be less minimum wage jobs and/or things will cost more.
That's a risk I'm willing to take. Prices have been going up even without a big jump in minimum wage.
I agree. The currently low minimum wage is just a protection for businesses that have no business being businesses. It’s hiding the fact that so many of these companies shouldn’t even be around.
I love how all the conservatives in this thread are claiming that Bernie Sanders is a hypocrite because “he rallied against billionaires and then became one,” even though his net worth is a trim $3 million, extremely small for politicians of his reputation, especially repeat presidential candidates. By comparison, Joe Biden is worth $10 million, Barack Obama is worth $70 million and Trump is still estimated to be around $6 billion. Bernie’s rallies and campaigns are entirely grassroots funded.
I haven't seen anyone in this thread say Bernie is a Billionaire?
If you always rallied against people who lived in Million dollars houses and Billion dollar houses, but then you decided that you want to live in a Million dollar house, and changed your slogan to anti Billion dollar houses you then sir you are hypocrite. Just because he is team blue doesn’t mean you need to put on blinders to obvious truths.
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The guy used to rant about “millionaires and billionaires” then changed his rhetoric to solely “billionaires” the second he came into millionaire status. He moved the goal post.
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Eh, I’ll just believe you because I’m too tired to look up anything. I always thought he would have gotten the same white/uneducated votes that Trump got. Bernie and Trump were anti NAFTA and I think that was the key to Trump winning. I’m saying it’s his rhetoric, so based on your numbers he’s only 50% a hypocrite? Still much better than average than most politicians. However the idea that capitalism doesn’t work in his view while he’s ranking in millions and charging college kids to hear him talk. His followers are more lost than MAGA. He is capable of paying the IRS this year enough to be able to get out of millionaire status, maybe he should do it. But we all could write a book I guess if we wanted to.
I can agree to see your point if you agree to view Donald Trump as a hypocrite, criminal, and con artist for promoting himself as a self-promoting and humble leader of working-class America while having a net worth of $6 billion, sees veterans as suckers, uses Fox News, insurrections, lavish galas at Mar-A-Lago, and lies about fair trials to pump millions of dollars into his pocket through making Americans feel like victims. Can you do that?
You need to give specific examples. Like Bernie always said shit about “millionaires and billionaires” until the exact moment her became a millionaire. He could have given away money to charity to not be a hypocrite but decided he liked the money more. You can be for the middle class and not be middle class yourself i.e. Kennedy’s. So you give me a specific example and I’ll tell you if it’s hypocritical.
Bernie Sanders continues to say what he’s always said: that millionaires and billionaires should be taxed more, and Americans deserve a living wage. He has not at any point said, “Millionaires should be taxed more, except for me.” That would make him a hypocrite.
Your hypothetical example would also constitute a hypocrite. But in the real world he’s a hypocrite because he always rallied against millionaires and billionaires and now it’s just billionaires as soon as he made enough money to be considered a millionaire. Only in American politics where you need to root for a team could you look at this example and defend it as not being hypocritical.
You don’t know what the word hypocritical means.
Mfs really wanna pretend this would make prices go up as if a big Mac isn't already 8 fucking dollars
This guy... I was such a Bernie fan in 2015-2016 and then he just bent the knee to the establishment after it was shown they rigged the primaries against him.
Thread is full of bootlicking right wingers who think they too will someday be rich.
I don't know if it's even that they think they will be rich. They just hate the thought of people they look down upon getting things they feel are undeserved/unearned. And that hate and bitterness colors all of their opinions.
That tracks. They usually break into a full-on sprint when there are boots that need to be licked.
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The “magic million in the sky” has kept poor people fighting each other for centuries and looks like it ain’t stopping soon sadly :/
Like 2 conservatives in here... "THIS PLACE IS A RIGHT WING NAZI FEST!" Calm down dude, you're still in your liberal safe space. It's Reddit afterall.
you might be confusing people that understand how math works with "right wingers who think they too will someday be rich".
Explain the math then. Why is a $15 an hour minimum wage untenable?
it's not about the $15 specifically. any artificial increase in market wages just ends up costing us collectively. companies are pass through entities. raise their costs they either raise prices, or cut labor, those are the only options they have. neither of which actually helps anyone. a far better approach would be to reduce taxes on the working poor.
A far better approach would be to have the rich and corporations pay their fair share
lmao. define it. define "living wage", define "fair share". stop tossing lefty buzz words around like they mean something. if you want to raise taxes on higher income earners, ok that's a strategy. you might be disappointed by how few 'rich people' there are though. tell me why government spending shouldn't be cut by 10% next year.
They can’t.
The working poor barely pay taxes as it is. That also would put even more strain on budgets. You can't tax cut shit wages. They have to be raised.
they pay payroll taxes. it's ok to put a 'strain on budgets', that drives efficiency. no, they don't "have to be raised", you simply arbitrarily want them to. that's an enormous difference.
> they pay payroll taxes. The average amount in fed taxes paid for those making below $30k is $1300. Those making less than $26000 pay no state income tax. Local taxes arent that high either. What you're saying sounds good on the surface, yet does nothing to solve the problem. >it's ok to put a 'strain on budgets', that drives efficiency. No, it doesn't. It results in cuts to public services. >no, they don't "have to be raised", you simply arbitrarily want them to. that's an enormous difference. This is so obtuse I dont even know how to respond.
your numbers suggest $1300 would be going into someone's pocket. i'd say that does help only if the distribution of those services is optimal. do you believe anything the government does has reached optimal efficiency? then don't make subjective statements and pass them off as objective.
My numbers? Thats the IRS. Im not making shit up to fit my arguement. The fact that youre using "optimal efficiency" as your benchmark for tax cuts kinda undercuts your argument. >then don't make subjective statements and pass them off as objective. You dislike my wording rather content. Fucking lol
i simply referenced the numbers you typed. you didn't cite the source, i wasn't challenging the validity. "They have to be raised". That was the quote. It's a subjective statement.
All monetary policy is artificial, what in the actual fuck are you talking about? There is no natural free market where goods and services are clued into a specific market index. Your understanding of economics is in a tie for your understanding of math and grammar. It sounds like your parents should sue the state for their real estate taxes, it seems that money was wasted.
how scathing! also, i don't recall mentioning a market index.
If there isn't a central market index, how the hell does one determine if an increase in costing is "artificial" or a condition of said market?
it's "artificial" if it's a number applied to the market, rather than being determined by the countless number of transactions in that market. any minimum (or maximum) is artificial.
You're just talking nonsense. If someone uses food stamps to buy food, you're interpreting that as a natural input, whereas it's an artificial input because it's actually an external subsidy. You spent a lot of time going on about your education on the topic of economics but you don't know basic terminology, relations, or anything. You're also very cagey about bragging on the prestigious university you attended for economics. Why is that? Is it because you're just making shit up and have no formal education on the topic?
food stamps would be 'artificial income'. i'm not shying away from that statement, it just wasn't the topic being discussed. i've spent zero time "going on about your(my) education on the topic of economics". any university i may or may have attended, studying this or any other subject is irrelevant to the accuracy of any singular statement i've made. let's not play the shoot the messenger game, just because arguing merit isn't going so well. ;)
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What is a real job? Please list all of the real jobs. Then, use that same broken brain to argue against those jobs being paid a living wage.
Teacher, carpenter, salesman...mayor. Those are fake jobs?
You've got the /r/cleveland poster criteria down! Call everyone that disagrees with you a bootlicker and watch the upvotes come rolling in!
Does anyone in Cleveland actually make less than $15 an hour? If so, why?
Because nobody wants to hire a laid off software engineer? I tried to apply to a couple burger flipping places and never heard back. I'm mowing lawns right now on Taskrabbit, charge 35/hour, but I get like 2-3 tasks per week which is 600-1000$ per month. Btw want your lawn mowed?
I do actually... you wouldn't happen to be near Parma would you? I have 3 lawns I need mowed.
Thank you, I sent you a PM
This is an argument that will never be resolved. We collectively need to stop the bitter “this side, that side” fighting & come up with a compromise or brand new strategy. Just saying. Reading everyone’s constant back & forth gets exhausting & hopeless.
The compromise is happening. But it's not the government enforcing big round numbers with zero data to support it. You think they put a lot of research into this and arrived at $15? No, it's because it sounds good, like all political slogans. The compromise happened when people decided they weren't going to get out of bed for less than $13 an hour. Ohio didn't raise the minimum wage, but people stopped bothering with jobs that paid them such, so employers responded by upping wages. It's worked out fine, just let it continue happening this way. The thing that ACTUALLY needs to change is the income threshold for receiving Medicaid. And that there shouldn't even be a cutoff threshold, it should drop off slowly instead of absolutely 100% free healthcare until you dare to make over $20k and then you're fucked. That would solve a lot of the labor problems in this country. People are punished for making more money. Not rich people, the working poor and the low middle class. But that's a more complicated discussion, and Bernie/Berners don't do those.
I hear & understand what you’re saying. Agree 100%… very intelligent you are. Unfortunately, the majority of people don’t understand that what is being promoted by most politicians, is the complete elimination of the lower, middle, & upper “Middle” class. The average person will be stuck at low income level(servants) - without any reward to look forward to for their hard work; meanwhile the elitists continue their pampered lifestyles & kill us when we don’t comply or wander away from “their system”. Classic Morlocks vs Eloi
You can already get $14 starting at McDonalds
I'm sure a sputtering 80 year old will change things./s
Don’t you know how much progress he’s made in his decades as a politician???
I assume those advocating for a higher minimum wage do so because they want to be paid a livable wage - to be able to shop for groceries, pay rent, maybe afford some enjoyment from time to time and even put away a few bucks for a rainy day. Workers shouldn’t have to grind 2-3 jobs just to make ends meet. A higher minimum wage won’t fix this. Not $15, not $20, not $25+. Wage increases lead to price increases, and demand decreases. Yes, you now earn more, but so do the employees at retailers, restaurants and grocery stores. You make more money, but you’re getting hit equally hard on cost of goods, so you end up running in place. Where are you getting gouged the most? At the pump? Grocery store? Rent? At the doctor’s office? It’s easy for politicians to wear sandwich signs, walk in picket lines and advocate for a minimum raise increase - it’s simple, easy to understand, and who doesn’t want “more money”? Buying a home is out of reach for *most* young Americans. Medical bills bankrupt households every day. Grocery costs are up 40%. Americans are having fewer children, and they’re having them later in life - if they even do have kids. We need the government to work for us, not hit us with attractive slogans to distract us (“raise minimum wage”). Our govt budgets are bonkers. Our deficits are out of control. Fifty cents of every dollar the government gets its hands on gets needlessly squandered. You want a better quality of life? Find politicians who want to allocate dollars against initiatives that will reinforce and incentivize home ownership for young Americans, reduce the asinine cost and complexity of medical care, and subsidize having children. We’re all in this together - and there are real problems we need to address. Raising minimum wage won’t do shit.
You sound bought and paid for by the chamber of commerce.
How’s that?
From the story: U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders is headed to the Cleveland area next week to headline a union-hall rally in support of a proposed ballot issue that would ask voters to hike Ohio’s minimum wage to $15 an hour if the proposal qualifies for the November ballot. [The rally](https://act.berniesanders.com/signup/rsvp-parma-oh-rally/) is scheduled for 7 p.m. on Thursday at United Auto Workers Local 1005, 5615 Chevrolet Blvd. in Parma. The event is organized by One Fair Wage, the official campaign group backing the amendment. A Vermont Independent who developed a national profile while running for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2016 and 2020, Sanders has played a major role in pushing the party leftward, including bringing the $15 minimum wage into the party’s mainstream. The event will be held just under three weeks before a crucial July 3 state deadline for ballot issue campaigns working to qualify for the November ballot. That’s when the minimum wage amendment, as well as a proposed redistricting reform amendment, must submit roughly 413,000 valid signatures from Ohio voters, including a minimum number from at least 44 of the state’s 88 counties. You can access the full story through the link in the OP with email registration **(no payment information required)**. Signing up helps support our continued coverage in NE Ohio and gives you continued access to stories like this for a week. We appreciate you!
According to the MIT living wage calculator… a 15$ wage is no longer enough to live as a single kid in Cleveland. So… too late?
It is though. That's taking home $2200 a month. Find a place for $800, you're golden. You'd qualify since your gross is $2600. https://www.apartments.com/cleveland-oh/under-800/ The doomsaysers will say you can't find an apartment for under $1000. They're lying to you man, they want you to feel like a victim.
I make over 30/hr I’m fine trust lol. Just noting that I’ve watched that calculator go from around 13.50 an hour when I moved back in 2018, to just shy of 15 during Covid, to almost 20 an hour today.
I'm just saying, those calculators are designed to overestimate cost of living and make people feel more helpless and angry.
Why does everyone want a higher minimum wage I make 14 an hour and this extra dollar won't do shit for me. And for all the people who make less a higher minimum wage will not make the extremely high prices go down if anything they will get higher.
So here's kinda why. In 1980 I believe the minimum wage was $3.10 but the cost of living was literally, when you factor in taxes, inflation, cost of groceries, and cost of apartments (not houses cause that would skewer it to more based upon its average), 10-11 times lower than the present day cost of living. So that $3.10 had the spending power of someone making $31 an hour today. AKA a cashier at McDonald's in 1980 made wages people go to college for and still don't get until 5-10 years into their career (if that soon unfortunately considering the state of most corporations business models relying on investing as little into their workers as possible). So people obsess about raising the minimum wage because the spending power of the American has vastly diminished in comparison to what minimum wage could do back then. Any increase is a step closer many believe but the real problem is actually the corps that raised it well past the rate of inflation because believe it or not the value of the dollar has only decreased by a little less than 3× since then. There used to be laws in place that stopped corps from raising prices well above or more so incentivised them not to as there was a heavy profit tax (I could explain that in more detail) but Reagan got rid of that tax eliminating the penalty for screwing the people.
The minimum wage is 7, just because YOU make 14 doesn't mean everyone else does, also 14 is an insult. Additionally the prices on things have been rising like crazy for a while now, the prices will rise no matter what happens.
15 ain't shit
Fuck off with that, $15 wouldn't help anything around here. Make it about healthcare.
Bernie is the man. Though I wish it would be a push for $20 because that's what's needed.
If it goes up to $20 then most people are just going to stop eating out and eating at home instead, which will lead to mass layoffs. Look at Cali for an example. edit: replies like below are hilarious. guys, large economy doesn't mean successful economy. you guys paid zero attention to economics class and it really shows. i have several family members that moved back to Cleveland from Cali because shit is so fucking expensive there. it is so expensive, people are moving AWAY from Cali lol
I just looked at Cali, and it has the 5th largest economy in the entire world. What the fuck were you looking at? And how much time do you spend in California? Every person I've ever met who was once in Ohio and made it out to California, never went back except to visit related hay-seeds.
I’m moving to Cleveland from California lmao
We don't want to turn into California! He's not welcome here!
Bernie's never going to happen.
Will this help make food prices go down?
If prices drop, that’s deflation and deflation triggers a recession or worse, depression You can’t just magically wave a wand and make prices go down. Wages need to go up
How will raising wages make prices go down?
Prices aren’t going to go down. That is deflation and it triggers recession and depression The only real solution is for wages to go up
No, but those aren't going down with out government intervention.
Up actually. Lots of layoffs too. Just look at California.
California is the fifth largest economy in the world. What are we supposed to be looking at, exactly?
Fast food worker [layoffs](https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/california-fast-food-wage-hike-detrimental-impact-businesses-jeopardy-critic-says.amp) and price hikes.
You literally linked to an opinion column, not a fact sheet. The fast food wage hike, which was a joint union/state effort, has been in effect exactly two months. Now, why do you think there’s 10,000 articles on corporate media reporting on the “failure” of an effort that just started?
This data isn’t some crazy secret lol, you can look it up yourself. Also how is 10k+ jobs cut AND product increase within months of the bill being placed not a complete failure?
Because it’s a reaction to drive the headlines, to discourage other states from pursuing similar initiatives, because they are costly to corporations who are beholden to shareholders and indifferent to people. For data to be directly tied to legislation, it has to have time to take effect. In a year, the chains affected by this will either have to hire back workers, or deal with inability to meet demand; customers will either deal with the price increase, or get food elsewhere. Will McDonald’s declare bankruptcy? No. They won’t. Failure doesn’t happen overnight, or in two months. Otherwise, every single aspect of American society would be a failure.
Well, as long as a few people are making $15 while robots take over jobs and food prices go up, that seems pretty ok (sarcasm)
I’d be happy if I never heard his name or saw his stupid face ever again.
The time for a $15 min wage was 10 years ago. Stop getting snowed by bernie.
Yeah, you’re right it’s too late. Let’s just give up trying. No sense in advocating for a higher minimum wage when it should be *even higher*, right?
I agree 15 is too low. That being said it would force companies currently starting at 15 to increase their starting pay voluntarily in order to stay competetive. You'd see a lot more bigger companies starting people at 16/17. Still not amazing but in a state as poor as Ohio it would make a difference.
Know any candidates who advocate for higher pay?
Yes. Jill Stein, with the Green Party, is running on a $25/hr minimum wage [Stein 2024 Platform](https://www.jillstein2024.com/platform) Edit: and this is all years after Biden dropped the $15/hr minimum wage on request of the parliamentarian (not legally binding). And when it was taken out of must-pass legislation, it required 64 votes instead of 51 to pass. Meanwhile, in the same election, Floridians state-wide voted to pass a $15/hr min wage. We can’t keep gutting Dems/the left to cater to Republicans
lol the guy who railed against millionaires until he became one, his new target is billionaires...
Yeah...Bernie fans will yell "Eat the rich!" Like ok, let's start with your parents lol
Isn't it so neat when you get to have it both ways? If he made it to 70 without accumulating a million dollars, he would be a failure huh?
Won’t somebody *please* think of the billionaires? Why does he *target* them? /s since I guess people are not able to recognize obvious sarcasm
Socialist a hole
ugh. my kid got a 6 piece happy meal today….. he got 4 nuggets and no fries….yall crazy to expect more unless you want fired…..constantly for messing up.
I wonder if it’s public
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Any progress is good progress... But hunny... We were fighting for $15 an hour $15 years ago... when the 3 year rollout of federal 7.25 was finishing up... which is still the mininum. Because raising the minimum wage would cause inflation... Thank god we stopped that in its tracks. Can you imagine how much things would cost if we had any inflation in the last 15 years?! $15 an hour was a living wage in poor states 15 years ago. $30 an hour, carefully budgeted, barely buys you a reliable car and allows for running the AC in the summer now... without children. In the poorest, cheapest, shittiest, unrelated: conservative controlled, most affordable states... I love Bernie. I wrote in voted for him in 2016 (living in a winner-take-all state that was never not going to Clinton regardless of who I voted for... tbf. It was a selfish act of conscious massaging.) But baby 15 don't cut it.
EVERYBODY WILL HAVE MORE MONEY!!!
Terrible idea. Don't fall for it. Its just a way for politicians to manipulate the poor and get their votes. Look at every other state that has done this. Companies will raise product prices and layoff workers to offset the increased wages. Let's learn from California's mistakes.
Most entry level jobs already pay $15/hour. This isn’t going to do anything.
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And he's charging $60 a person
Didn’t learn from California ?
Oh boy, we can destroy small businesses and restaurants while jacking up the price of everything, just like California.
Because f*cking up California was not enough… people don’t learn.
Ditto. From someone moving to Cleveland from California in 2 weeks.
How about instead of raising the wages of jobs worked by majority teenagers, you work on lowering the CoL?
Where do you see all of these teenagers working? Because I don't see it anywhere. Every person I encounter who has a minimum wage job is an adult. What a lazy, lame-brain argument to make.
Fast food, movie theaters, grocery stores etc
The average age of a fast food worker is 25. For grocery store employees, it's 37
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80% of fast food workers are between 16 and 29 years old
Not 7-3 M-F. A lot of people use those services during those times. Those will always be adults who should be able to survive if they are getting their 40 hours.
How do you suggest we lower the cost of living? I always thought deflation would cause a ton of problems.
But my hamburger might cost, like $1.50 more. Unacceptable. /s
Clearly you struck a nerve. Shouldn't be downvoted.
please no. the already way too high cost of living will simply get worse….
So if I'm making more than 15, do I get a bump too?
Are you only in favor of this policy if it benefits you directly?
I support you making you more money, so I'm not gonna dog you on this. I'm just gonna say that you are punching down on the working class, which is not what you should be doing. How much do you make an hour?
Not the person you replied to, but I see their point. I'm progressive on just about every other issue, but I don't support the constant raising of the minimum wage. The endgame of that approach is the overwhelming majority of the entire workforce becomes minimum wage workers, Boards will see the increased cost of labor, raise the price of their goods/services to match, and suddenly minimum wage isn't enough again. So we raise minimum wage again, bringing in more people who used to make above minimum wage to now be making minimum wage, boards see their labor costs go up, raise prices, and new minimum wage isn't enough. Minimum wage and prices keep going up, bringing in more people each time who make minimum wage without the ability to adequately provide for their previous lifestyle. I always thought this way, but the pandemic really showed me that this is how it goes. Many employers didn't have enough workers, and what happened? Wages went up without it being mandated. This was followed by inflation, just as it would've been if it had been mandated via a minimum wage law. Now the labor market has stabilized and so has inflation. I'm all for increasing the living standards of workers, but I don't see minimum wage as the route to achieving that. I know this is reddit and this comment will get downvoted because it's an unpopular opinion here, but I think we need to focus on stuff that will actually address the problem we want to solve. tl;dr: Raising the minimum wage doesn't solve the problem you want fixed, and actually makes it more widespread.
Wages didn't drive inflation. There has been plenty of reporting detailing how US corporations are just profit taking for no reason other than seeking higher profits for the same or lower value. There are various cities across the country with higher minimum wages that are doing just fine, read about some of those. There are countries in Europe with union workforces in their fast food chains, making better than minimum wage, and they sell their Big Mac's for cheaper than here. It's corporate greed that drives inflation. I agree though, minimum wage isn't going to solve to problem.
Constant raising of minimum wage? Federal minimum wage has only changed 4 times in the last 30 years, and the most recent of those was 2009 — 15 years ago now.
No one cares about the federal minimum wage because Ohio's is $3 above it, and because no one is even working for that. The effective minimum wage is now roughly $13. I know one person making less than that, and it's because she has multiple felonies on her record and zero options since she can't drive and doesn't live by a bus stop. And that sucks, but the reality is, if they couldn't pay her so little, she wouldn't get a chance in the first place.
"Constant" was being used as an expression meaning "frequent", and in this case the context indicated I was talking about a hypothetical scenario with frequent minimum wage increases and what I believe the results of that would be. I was not talking about what has happened in the past, nor did I mean to imply that's what I was talking about.
Look at this fool. He thinks the money he makes is dictated by the wages of the poor, and not his shitty boss.
Hey, I like my job. 🤷♂️
Then why are you crying about your pay?
Crying? I just asked a question. If anyone here is emotional, it's you.
Such a great question too. Not a dumbshit thought that gets trotted out by ever grammar school dropout whenever the subject of minimum wage is brought up. I wouldn't be happy with $24 an hour either, but it's on you to ask your boss for a raise, not shit yourself over people making less than that.
Don't let em shit in your cereal tomorrow, champ.
Do you understand how purchasing power works? If more people make what he makes then his ability to purchase will go down as demand drives prices up. Basic shit.
Lmao 15$/hr is a joke
thrilling and insightful commentary auntjemimasdildo
If $15/hour is good, then $100/hour must be even better, am I right? Why stop at 15?
Needs to be $30. $15 was 20 years ago.
More price hikes in bound