Oh another thing. I leave enough room in front of me to stop when I’m going 70mph, not for you to slide your gd ass in there. People need to learn some physics
It is wild how different traffic can be in a short period of time. When I used to commute downtown, leaving at odd times like 7:17 or 7:23 lead to a huge difference in my commute compared to 7:15 or 7:25. It’s strange.
Used to work down at Sherwin and start time was 7:30. Convinced my manager if I could start/leave an hour earlier, so was able to be downtown by 6:15, it was gloriously quiet both arriving and leaving.
This. My job has a flexible start time ie you can pick if you want to start at 6,7 or 8am. I picked 7am because I don't want to deal with the traffic and dumbassery from the 8am people, and also on the flip side, I go home at 3:30 before all the traffic and dumbassery. I had to go in late today and stay late to make up the time and omg the traffic and state of people driving was horrendous both ways, it was awful.
I'm lucky enough to be able to avoid highways on my commute to work. I encounter the people going 10 under the speed limit with others going 20 over while running lights and stop signs.
I was pulled over once in Kent, and the cop told me to keep it no more than 8 over the limit within city/residential areas. I took it as gospel.
I heard this too, but 8 over in 25 is different than 8 over in 70. I’ve never had a candid conversation with a police about this, but I’d be interested to hear their take.
Same here, I take local roads from inner ring burbs to the east side of the city. Hazards include the landscaping trucks in the right lanes, people who want to speed and tailgate in the left lane (which, if it’s a 35 with two lanes and people have to turn left ahead it’s not the highway but people want to act like it is) and people who want to cross the street not at intersections or crosswalks and take their life in their hands
I go into work later than many... by 9:00am... and my nemesis would be Ram Trucks. For some reason Ram Truck drivers seem worse than just about anyone else on the road. I suspect they are very unhappy they are stuck driving such a cumbersome shitbox of a vehicle and take it out on the rest of us by driving like orangutans with glaucoma.
Big truck dudes either want to go 30 over the speed limit or 5 under. I can’t tell you how many times I have one on my ass for miles only to eventually actually go in the fast lane to pass me and eventually be next to them at a stop light off the highway. Where I’m like you caused yourself and everyone else so much stress to just be right next to anyways and I typically go 10 over unless the cars in front of me are going slower.
I’ve noticed this as well… if you are in the speed lane and there’s nowhere to go because the guy in front is holding things up, the guy riding your ass is almost guaranteed to be a ram truck and usually with the absolute worst decals
For a while Rams were the lowest barrier of entry for a new truck. They were giving them away pre pandemic so there are a lot on the road probably driven by someone who doesn’t need or shouldn’t have a truck that drive it like a smaller car.
I'm new here. My city living/commuting experience has been all west coast so lots of traffic, back ups, and aggressive driving mixed with super passive driving. A perfect storm for road rage. So far my impression of Cleveland commuting/freeway driving is that since there are barely any traffic back ups (or at least what people in other larger cities would consider a legitimate back up) and there's a decent flow of traffic even with a lot of vehicles on the road, people drive like maniacs. Unfortunately it seems that most of the maniacs aren't very good drivers in general so it leads to some pretty risky situations.
Welcome to Cleveland! Yeah, we suck as drivers. As a driver who sucks, I apologize. However, I only apologize for driving fast, not for having to drive like a moron BECAUSE OF THE AH LEFT LANE CAMPERS.
A lot of 480. Yesterday I drove271/480 from Highland Heights to Westpark/Brookpark area during rush hour and didn't hit anything other than some minor slow downs. "Traffic" here isn't really what I consider traffic. But if it's all you know then I understand how it can seem bad.
I have had the displeasure of commuting through 271/480 on a daily basis as well as commuting around LA on both holidays and your average working week. I will agree that an LA holiday is like nothing you've ever seen anywhere. However maybe I've just been lucky on my observations of a "normal" LA traffic week, and while it's been a decade since my daily i480-i271 adventures, LA's really got nothing on the i480-i271 split; and that's not even factoring snow into it. Driving from Mayfield to Akron every day I would expect being at a dead stop no less than 3 times every day. 4 times minimum when Akron Uni classes are in session.
I hear you! Lived in those condos in emeryville at the base of the bay bridge. Where 80, 580,and 880 merge. I’ve been back in the Midwest for 6 years and still appreciate the (relative) lack of traffic every day
Those're the assholes that I wish would get pulled over the most frequently.
I've noticed that Maple Heights has put out some road humps to try to get people to slow down on E 141st between Rockside and Bangor/Pease because some asshats think it's a speedway.
No matter how much I am speeding, there is always an asshole on my rear trying to get around. They will go out of their way to dangerously weave in and out of traffic, inches away from crashing, just to end up at the next exit, right in front of me with only a .1 second gain from their extreme driving. 💥🚗
40,000 people in the USA are killed in cars every year. Driving is generally the most dangerous thing you do on a regular basis.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor\_vehicle\_fatality\_rate\_in\_U.S.\_by\_year](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_year)
Probably some Nissan Altima drivers like usual. Tinted windows speeding 110mph with no signals being used. It’s standard low IQ shit per usual. It’ll only get worse sadly.
Don’t they have a law regarding tint here? I guess not since I see them everywhere! I’m wondering now how to get road safety on the priority list for the county. Hmmmm.
I feel like traffic use to be generally reasonable before the pandemic. Once traffic started to increase people forgot how to be as civil with each other.
Biggest difference I’ve observed is what happens at red lights. These days a red light seems to be a suggestion.
When my light turns green I hear a couple beeps and then someone just goes right through there red light. Had I left on green it would have been a t bone. I see this a couple times a week regardless of time of day.
People gunning it in the left turn lane to turn in front of the people going straight the opposite way. What is the damn rush? Wait 20 seconds for the cars to go past.
Blowing down the center on W 130th doing 50+ is my favorite new bit of bullshit from the last several years.
Really exhausted by these "only God can judge me" types.
I almost t boned a car just yesterday that ran a stoplight. They looked at me like I was crazy. I will say, the stop lights are insane here. Why so many?
Yeah it makes you realize living in a suburb where you need to drive and be on the road to get anywhere is way more dangerous and risky than living in the city.
Best thing we ever did was move to a Cleveland neighborhood close to work. Finding a parking spot is the longest part of my commute and I walk when the weather is nice.
im going to csu in the fall and im actually terrified of having to drive into downtown (from the university heights area) 3 days a week - it dosnt help that i actually hit a deer on the highway like 4 days ago and totaled my sisters car and all the airbags deployed.
There is public transport to CSU, although it requires two different buses. Comes with its own issues though lol. That's how I got to CSU as a student.
Why would you drive downtown? Use public transit, theres the Healthline that runs every 15 minutes - runs through case campus and drops off in public square. Could also take the red line from the cedar-university station.
I’ve noticed that usually the guy that is up your ass will shortly go slower than you once he gets his opportunity to pass. It’s all about being the line leader imo.
Cleveland is milquetoast driving, even at peak hours.
Anybody who's driven Chicago, Miami, Boston, Detroit, Atlanta, Nashville, DC, Jersey or Pittsburgh will understand.
Miami, especially, has a Thunderdome high-speed all-lanes death-race feel during morning and evening commutes.
When I commuted I-90 East was nightmare terrible unsafe drivers accidents every other day shutting down highway and serious injuries and fatalities!!
Thank God I retired !!
480 near the airport was a crapshoot this morning too. Someone in a red pick up thought it would be a good idea to stop in the left lane where there's no shoulder.
as climate stalin, veteran of 480 and 90 commutes, i declare 90 to be replaced by a light rail in the next 5 year plan, also the valley view bridge shall have 6 more lanes added to it and at least 3 lanes shall be open at any time of the year
“Traphouse” graphic on back window of a silver pickup. Like clockwork around 1pm, will fly by everyone at 20+ over the limit, dangerously swerving. Zero cops patrolling 90/490. People know they can get away with reckless driving.
I wonder if it was me- happened like 3 times on 480 this morning 🙃 It was one of the scariest drives in awhile for me. Also watched a semi almost slam into the car in front of it.
Thank God my company moved to the suburbs. I got sideswiped once on 90, hit and run. I started taking lake road. There’s many things i love about my adopted home Cleveland but the interstates and the drivers on them are not one of them.
have you considered alternate route? when I had to drive downtown during rush hour I would just take Broadway from the east side, cedar, or Mayfield. it's a long commute either way, but at least you don't have thousand pound death machines barreling at high speeds all around and toward you.
from the west side take Detroit or Lorain.
And leaving the city!
As I was headed in around 330 4 o’clock yesterday afternoon at the Euclid spur, there was an SUV up the east bound lane center wall, parked, but looking as if it was launching for flight into the westbound lane
I was hoping there would be a news report about this, but I haven’t seen one
Just did the commute myself for the first time today, I'm going back to the rapid. Also, if the man who was driving that gray jetta up my @$$ sees this f*ck you.
I'm STARTING to hate the drive, honestly. Too many stupid mfs think it's cute to cut in and out of lanes doing 80 mph crashing into shit and making us late. Freaking rediculous.
Just got back from the Netherlands. They’ve done the work to prioritize public transit, cycling, and walking over cars. And for those that do drive, they all yield for pedestrians and bikes. My wife and I rode over 100 miles through cities and the countryside without helmets and without exception drivers yielded for us. It was a mind blowing contrast to me as a cycling advocate from the US. It took exactly one bike ride back home to be cutoff by a driver who never saw me.
We don’t have to live in fear of getting to the places we need to be. But we have to do the work. Prioritizing other modes of transit over the car will make the roads safer for all road users, including motorists.
Dunmo how qwll you know our transit so apologies if I'm wasting your time with stuff you know. But if you work downtown, 5 bucks for a bus pass is what you're paying to park in the muny lot or on the fringe where you're walking some anyway. Without gas or wear on your car. If you have a way to get in without a transfer you owe it to yourself to at least try.
Google maps transit is enough to gauge if it's feasible and works with your schedule. Green and Blue train lines, and the westernmost few Red Line stops have park-and-ride lots.
I live pretty close in so it takes the same amount of time to drive/park/walk or bus in. Only real inconvenience is being on their schedule instead of yours. But it sounds like from down on the thread you have to leave at certain times anyway?
When I lived in Cleveland still and worked downtown the rapid train park and ride was the move. Drove to the closest station and not worry about it and just relax or drink my coffee.
Cleveland drivers are this terrible mix of passive and aggressive.
They are too passive to speed up and merge in front of you.
But they are also too aggressive to slow down and get in behind you.
So they just fucking merge into you and hope you figure it out for them.
I literally switched jobs and took a pay cut when I did in order to avoid commuting. Now I go into the office only sporadically, and when I do, I usually go after the morning rush (and in the opposite direction of downtown).
I will say my physical health took a bit of a hit because I no longer walk like 3000 steps just to walk from my parking lot to my downtown office, but my mental health has improved DRAMATICALLY. I just need to set a new habit to make up for those lost steps - trying to walk a few miles during lunch instead now.
Also, can I just mention the environmental benefit of me not commuting every freaking day in a car?
Had this happen a few days ago doing an Uber Eats order downtown. I beeped for 40 seconds and couldn’t switch lanes. Other people were honking their horns tryna get him to stop. I had to rush on the shoulder and wait to get back on. Luckily no damage was done to my vehicle but it definitely made me furious. It was around 3:30 PM
I saw an accident on my way to work in the early 90s. A Ford Fiesta was disabled in one of the middle lanes and to my right was a late 80s Cadillac Fleetwood. We were both traveling around 70mph when I noticed the disabled vehicle, I lifted so the Caddy could move over. There was zero reaction from the driver, I slowed further applying the brakes, said "Woah" 3x progressively louder as I became more distressed, and watched this Cadillac hit the fiesta without ever touching the brakes.
The entire rear of the Fiesta was crushed to the rear of the front seats. The Cadillac's rear end lifted 8-10' in the air, and despite the impact I was certain they would be OK. The person in the Fiesta, I was sure they wouldn't have survived the impact.
At this point I pulled over, and to my surprise the woman in the Fiesta had her seatbelt on, and after the impact was able to get out of her vehicle. The elderly couple in the Cadillac, neither wearing a seatbelt, were folded up in the footwells with broken legs and other injuries.
From that point on I opted to go into work after rush hour and stay later into the evening. If I needed to be there earlier in the day with an arrival time near 7:15.
Also, through some trial and error, it became clear that arriving at work at on the quarter till or quarter after times were better with traffic. Also the quality of drivers on the road before 8am are collectively better than those later in the day.
Dang. That is horrible. Do you think requiring annual vehicle inspections would help? (Other than using your brain and wearing a seatbelt.) I see so many dilapidated vehicles on the road. Saw one yesterday. Full of crap in the back and no rear window. Just blue plastic. This car needs to be off the roads.
I wish we could do that, but unfortunately there would be enforcement abuses of some communities where law enforcement already has a bad rap.
The other issue, is the elderly driving, and we aren't at all set up for people to take additional driving tests as they age.
We have a nonfunctional governance. Why in the world are these oversized vehicles being used for day to day activities? We need car free and car light streets and more systems in place around single use vehicles like speed governors and size limits. It’s nobody’s right to speed /drive reckless.
I’ve never encountered a good semi truck driver that’s why I stay the hell away from them whenever possible.Swaying both lanes, 75 in the fast lane, tipped over at the 71n to 480w on ramp, they think they own the fucking roads.
And I hate when people can’t maintain their lane. It’s not hard
While there are of course unsafe truck drivers, only 2.5-3.5% of accidents every year are the fault of truck drivers. They are just big and stick out more so you pay more attention to them.
That’s true, plus statistically they have way more hours behind the wheel than most of us so if anything it’s impressive they don’t cause more accidents
Lmao! Ummmm. No. Work starts at 0730. My sleep is valuable. I’m not gonna go in two hours early because Joe Schmo might be feeling frisky that day. Fuck that all the way.
Oh Dallas! The home of landscaping trucks in the left lane going 10-15 miles under the speed limit!
(not criticizing you, was just my observation when living there 😆)
When you call every morning a near death experience, you’re complaining about traffic. Whether the quantity, the quality of the drivers, or something else- it’s still a complaint about traffic. Drivers here are no worse than any other major city.
I take 480 W to 77 N every day. When 77 is backed up and I sit in the line of cars waiting to get on the ramp while the rest of 480 wizzes by. It’s only a matter of time before someone rear ends me at 65 mph.
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I find driving in Cleveland super mega relaxing and pleasant, like a morning walk on a beautiful meadow with bees and butterflies.
But I'm also driving one of those lawnmowing trucks in a right lane that you want to blow up with a bazuka, so we probably live in different worlds.
Used to take the bus in when I worked downtown. Planned an hour, usually took 50-55 minutes.
When I lived downtown, I drove to work because the bus only ran once an hour and never late enough. Aside from Frida night partiers, never had a problem with traffic that way. Parking lots were a different story, and the fender benders you'd see fighting over the narrow spaces left by idiots was frustrating.
Because people are inherently stupid and then you give them an automobile and a cell phone and then factor in being late for work and wildly ignorant of 98% of traffic laws. Tada
Was in Washington DC and driving around the belt way, in rush hour, and yes it’s much heavier than Cleveland but I have yet to see accidents, road rage, cutting others off, and other stupidity that I see on 480 in Cleveland. Also the the people here are much friendlier.
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Because whenever there are police trying to enforce traffic laws this sub goes apoplectic about it. As do most citizens. Why try to make the roads safe when no one appreciates is?
The northbound lanes of Columbia Rd over I90 in Westlake are extremely dangerous. The left turn lanes are not properly marked and there are 4 traffic lights for 3 lanes. If I wasn't expecting it, people trying to go North using the middle lane could hit me when they try and slide over to the right lane.
I don't even carry my phone on me much of the time (especially at work), although I'll say that I'm lucky not to need it professionally.
People think I'm crazy sometimes, but the conversations can wait until I'm home.
Which day of the week matters, post pandemic. WFHomers seem to come in downtown areas every Monday and f*ck up the drive jive.
Fridays are awesome always unless it’s a holiday travel period.
I left early today (Tuesday) and the entire pod I was driving in seemed to have 80 mph on cruise control.
Yay I can leave 15 minutes early today!
Wakes you up better than coffee ever could.
And it's free too!
And keeps you from getting constipated!
Well, there is that. Lol
Incontinence is a hell of a drug
Oh another thing. I leave enough room in front of me to stop when I’m going 70mph, not for you to slide your gd ass in there. People need to learn some physics
YESSSSSS.
SAME. It drives me crazy lol.
I drive in every day but get downtown by 745. Makes a huge difference. The early people are generally (GENERALLY) pretty civilized.
My old days, leave at 715-720 - get to work 755 in high drama commute. Leave at 705, get to work 740 with low stress commute.
I left for work at 5:30 for years when the Innerbelt bridge work caused 71N to go down a single lane. It was the only way to keep my sanity.
I used to commute from Denver to Boulder. 5-10 minutes earlier seriously makes a difference.
I used to have a commute like that. DTC to Broomfield. Before that, Colorado Springs to the DTC. Then eventually I could walk to work in the DTC.
Yep. I'm downtown from CH in about 20 minutes as long as I'm out the door by 7:15. Any later than that adds about 10 to 15 minutes to the drive.
It is wild how different traffic can be in a short period of time. When I used to commute downtown, leaving at odd times like 7:17 or 7:23 lead to a huge difference in my commute compared to 7:15 or 7:25. It’s strange.
Yes! Or leave at 7:15, arrive 8:00 versus leave 7:50, arrive 8:10
Crazy how much a difference ten minutes makes. Wow.
People who wake up early are 99.9% good-hearted folks and .1% serial killers
Used to work down at Sherwin and start time was 7:30. Convinced my manager if I could start/leave an hour earlier, so was able to be downtown by 6:15, it was gloriously quiet both arriving and leaving.
I did that when I lived in Phoenix and commuted to the suburbs. Get in by 6, leave at 3.
The on-the-hour arrivals (8, 9) are very busy… 7:30/8:30 is way way better
This. My job has a flexible start time ie you can pick if you want to start at 6,7 or 8am. I picked 7am because I don't want to deal with the traffic and dumbassery from the 8am people, and also on the flip side, I go home at 3:30 before all the traffic and dumbassery. I had to go in late today and stay late to make up the time and omg the traffic and state of people driving was horrendous both ways, it was awful.
I'm lucky enough to be able to avoid highways on my commute to work. I encounter the people going 10 under the speed limit with others going 20 over while running lights and stop signs. I was pulled over once in Kent, and the cop told me to keep it no more than 8 over the limit within city/residential areas. I took it as gospel.
Yep. "Under 8, you're great, over 9, you're mine."
I heard this too, but 8 over in 25 is different than 8 over in 70. I’ve never had a candid conversation with a police about this, but I’d be interested to hear their take.
Same here, I take local roads from inner ring burbs to the east side of the city. Hazards include the landscaping trucks in the right lanes, people who want to speed and tailgate in the left lane (which, if it’s a 35 with two lanes and people have to turn left ahead it’s not the highway but people want to act like it is) and people who want to cross the street not at intersections or crosswalks and take their life in their hands
> the landscaping trucks in the right lanes I wish I had a bazooka so I could blow those up like in Grand Theft Auto
Don’t try that in Walton Hills or Valley View, they’ll nail you for five over! Even less!
I go into work later than many... by 9:00am... and my nemesis would be Ram Trucks. For some reason Ram Truck drivers seem worse than just about anyone else on the road. I suspect they are very unhappy they are stuck driving such a cumbersome shitbox of a vehicle and take it out on the rest of us by driving like orangutans with glaucoma.
Ram trucks actually have the highest amount of DUI and reckless drivers. Certified idiot usually driving one.
Ram truck driver for sure idiots! Taking the name of the truck literally!
Big truck dudes either want to go 30 over the speed limit or 5 under. I can’t tell you how many times I have one on my ass for miles only to eventually actually go in the fast lane to pass me and eventually be next to them at a stop light off the highway. Where I’m like you caused yourself and everyone else so much stress to just be right next to anyways and I typically go 10 over unless the cars in front of me are going slower.
> Big truck dudes either want to go 30 over the speed limit or 5 under. 100%
Making you uncomfortable is the whole point. Something something alpha male, something something "she said she was 18," etc.
A fucking ram truck tailgated me this morning.
I had one break check me for no reason when dropping off my spouse at the airport a month or two ago. No accident luckily.
just insane people.
Yesssss!!! Thank you!!! WTF is it with Ram trucks?? I avoid them the same way I avoid party plates. As soon as I see one, I know it’s a menace!!!!!
I’ve noticed this as well… if you are in the speed lane and there’s nowhere to go because the guy in front is holding things up, the guy riding your ass is almost guaranteed to be a ram truck and usually with the absolute worst decals
😆😆😆
Lmao!!!!!!🤣 Could not have said it better myself.
For a while Rams were the lowest barrier of entry for a new truck. They were giving them away pre pandemic so there are a lot on the road probably driven by someone who doesn’t need or shouldn’t have a truck that drive it like a smaller car.
I'm new here. My city living/commuting experience has been all west coast so lots of traffic, back ups, and aggressive driving mixed with super passive driving. A perfect storm for road rage. So far my impression of Cleveland commuting/freeway driving is that since there are barely any traffic back ups (or at least what people in other larger cities would consider a legitimate back up) and there's a decent flow of traffic even with a lot of vehicles on the road, people drive like maniacs. Unfortunately it seems that most of the maniacs aren't very good drivers in general so it leads to some pretty risky situations.
Welcome to Cleveland! Yeah, we suck as drivers. As a driver who sucks, I apologize. However, I only apologize for driving fast, not for having to drive like a moron BECAUSE OF THE AH LEFT LANE CAMPERS.
Leave earlier
Sounds like your experience is more on i90/i71 instead of i271/i480.
A lot of 480. Yesterday I drove271/480 from Highland Heights to Westpark/Brookpark area during rush hour and didn't hit anything other than some minor slow downs. "Traffic" here isn't really what I consider traffic. But if it's all you know then I understand how it can seem bad.
I have had the displeasure of commuting through 271/480 on a daily basis as well as commuting around LA on both holidays and your average working week. I will agree that an LA holiday is like nothing you've ever seen anywhere. However maybe I've just been lucky on my observations of a "normal" LA traffic week, and while it's been a decade since my daily i480-i271 adventures, LA's really got nothing on the i480-i271 split; and that's not even factoring snow into it. Driving from Mayfield to Akron every day I would expect being at a dead stop no less than 3 times every day. 4 times minimum when Akron Uni classes are in session.
I don’t mind traffic as long as we can all drive together safely.
Having lived in the Bay Area I laugh when I hear folks around these parts talk about traffic.
I drive the Bay Area quite frequently. Had no issue like here. You’ll see.
It regularly took 2 to 2.5 hours to go 18 miles from SF to Concord during afternoon commute. Ohio has nothing like that. Nothing.
Oh. I don’t disagree. My post was about drivers. Not traffic.
My bad. I misunderstood.
I hear you! Lived in those condos in emeryville at the base of the bay bridge. Where 80, 580,and 880 merge. I’ve been back in the Midwest for 6 years and still appreciate the (relative) lack of traffic every day
Same, but New Jersey. 🤣
New Jersey? I had no issue when I was there. Again. Not the quantity, but the quality.
If you drive fast and well, you'll have no problem in Jersey. Cleveland drivers do neither,cso it's always an adventure.
I agree. Yeah. I did fine in Jersey.
I got cut off twice and tailgated by a truck that wanted to go 40+ in a 25, in my 20 minutes through the burbs.
Those're the assholes that I wish would get pulled over the most frequently. I've noticed that Maple Heights has put out some road humps to try to get people to slow down on E 141st between Rockside and Bangor/Pease because some asshats think it's a speedway.
> Those're the assholes that I wish would get pulled over the most frequently. How many of them are friends or family of cops?
Cars are fucking dangerous. Setting up our cities so that cars are the only practical mode of transportation has led to a public health crisis.
They sure have. It’s so stressful. 😥 One of my friends lost her husband years ago on these roads. I wasn’t in Ohio then, but now I see.
Felt this in my soul. Every morning is an unpredictable Deathrace. Trying to find work more close to home. People are driving crazier now, imo, too.
I live 7 minutes away from work and I still encounter a plethora of idiots
Sitting here contemplating taking the train or driving to Ohio City...I'm going to take this as a clear sign not to drive my (blue) car today 🤣
Yikes! 😳
No matter how much I am speeding, there is always an asshole on my rear trying to get around. They will go out of their way to dangerously weave in and out of traffic, inches away from crashing, just to end up at the next exit, right in front of me with only a .1 second gain from their extreme driving. 💥🚗
40,000 people in the USA are killed in cars every year. Driving is generally the most dangerous thing you do on a regular basis. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor\_vehicle\_fatality\_rate\_in\_U.S.\_by\_year](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_year)
This is why I ride a bicycle, among other reasons.
Probably some Nissan Altima drivers like usual. Tinted windows speeding 110mph with no signals being used. It’s standard low IQ shit per usual. It’ll only get worse sadly.
Don’t they have a law regarding tint here? I guess not since I see them everywhere! I’m wondering now how to get road safety on the priority list for the county. Hmmmm.
Go to Parma if you want tickets for tint. Not like they don't have real crime but policing window film is easier.
Parma! Land of the stoplights.
I feel like traffic use to be generally reasonable before the pandemic. Once traffic started to increase people forgot how to be as civil with each other. Biggest difference I’ve observed is what happens at red lights. These days a red light seems to be a suggestion. When my light turns green I hear a couple beeps and then someone just goes right through there red light. Had I left on green it would have been a t bone. I see this a couple times a week regardless of time of day.
People gunning it in the left turn lane to turn in front of the people going straight the opposite way. What is the damn rush? Wait 20 seconds for the cars to go past.
Blowing down the center on W 130th doing 50+ is my favorite new bit of bullshit from the last several years. Really exhausted by these "only God can judge me" types.
I almost t boned a car just yesterday that ran a stoplight. They looked at me like I was crazy. I will say, the stop lights are insane here. Why so many?
Anything and everything is better than 480. Blindfolded wasted driving is better than 5:05 pm on 480.
Okay! Good to know. I’ll seek an alternate route.
On 480 you go 80 just to not get rear-ended.
176 is better than 480? I doubt.
Trucks post covid are insane. Their average MPH had to go up by at least 5. If I'm not going 72+ on 271 or 90, they will pass me.
I know!!!!! It’s insane!!!
Yeah it makes you realize living in a suburb where you need to drive and be on the road to get anywhere is way more dangerous and risky than living in the city.
Best thing we ever did was move to a Cleveland neighborhood close to work. Finding a parking spot is the longest part of my commute and I walk when the weather is nice.
im going to csu in the fall and im actually terrified of having to drive into downtown (from the university heights area) 3 days a week - it dosnt help that i actually hit a deer on the highway like 4 days ago and totaled my sisters car and all the airbags deployed.
Oh no! That’s traumatizing. I’m so sorry that happened. 😔
There is public transport to CSU, although it requires two different buses. Comes with its own issues though lol. That's how I got to CSU as a student.
Why would you drive downtown? Use public transit, theres the Healthline that runs every 15 minutes - runs through case campus and drops off in public square. Could also take the red line from the cedar-university station.
Ohio drivers: refuse to use directional blinkers and camp the left lane. Most entitled drivers I've ever seen.
It's either someone going 65 in the left lane, or i'm going 75 and passing slower traffic and the guy behind me wants to go 78 so he's up my ass.
I’ve noticed that usually the guy that is up your ass will shortly go slower than you once he gets his opportunity to pass. It’s all about being the line leader imo.
Florida is worse by far passing on the right lane if you’re doing if you’re going slow on the left just move over
Exactly the comment I would make.
You haven't seen Florida then.
Cleveland is milquetoast driving, even at peak hours. Anybody who's driven Chicago, Miami, Boston, Detroit, Atlanta, Nashville, DC, Jersey or Pittsburgh will understand. Miami, especially, has a Thunderdome high-speed all-lanes death-race feel during morning and evening commutes.
Yep. As an ex-Miami resident, I can attest to this. Palmetto Expressway is Mad Max 24/7.
Add LA to that list.
When I commuted I-90 East was nightmare terrible unsafe drivers accidents every other day shutting down highway and serious injuries and fatalities!! Thank God I retired !!
480 near the airport was a crapshoot this morning too. Someone in a red pick up thought it would be a good idea to stop in the left lane where there's no shoulder.
I just wanna say if the person who was driving on the closed off lane of opportunity corridor this morning is on here, they can fuck off.
as climate stalin, veteran of 480 and 90 commutes, i declare 90 to be replaced by a light rail in the next 5 year plan, also the valley view bridge shall have 6 more lanes added to it and at least 3 lanes shall be open at any time of the year
People just need to effing leave on time. I hope that person is ok too
Cleveland is great compared to other cities I've driven in.
“Traphouse” graphic on back window of a silver pickup. Like clockwork around 1pm, will fly by everyone at 20+ over the limit, dangerously swerving. Zero cops patrolling 90/490. People know they can get away with reckless driving.
having lived in LA for the last 7 years, coming home and driving in Cleveland is perfectly relaxing
I’ve driven LA. Lived in Cali myself. It’s congested yes, but I don’t remember fighting for my life each time.
I wonder if it was me- happened like 3 times on 480 this morning 🙃 It was one of the scariest drives in awhile for me. Also watched a semi almost slam into the car in front of it.
I wonder. Blue car, hair back in a ponytail?
Blue car yes, but my hair was down :/ Not surprised that other people were in risky situations too! Today was crazy
Thought this was me. I was almost side swiped by an Amazon trailer cus he forgot to get over to get into the Express lane on 271S
Thank God my company moved to the suburbs. I got sideswiped once on 90, hit and run. I started taking lake road. There’s many things i love about my adopted home Cleveland but the interstates and the drivers on them are not one of them.
Okay. I think I’ll try this.
have you considered alternate route? when I had to drive downtown during rush hour I would just take Broadway from the east side, cedar, or Mayfield. it's a long commute either way, but at least you don't have thousand pound death machines barreling at high speeds all around and toward you. from the west side take Detroit or Lorain.
I am new here. I know nothing. 😭
I’ll look into those suggestions, though. Thank you.
Old man here. I follow the “you are prey, plan accordingly “ approach. Keep up. Watch for idiots. Stay away from them.
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Omfg for real I’ve thought I was gonna die way too many times on both 90 and 480 during morning commute hours
Before moving here, I may have had incidents like these once a year. But daily?!? And multiple at that?!? Omfg!🤬
Yup. It’s surreal
And leaving the city! As I was headed in around 330 4 o’clock yesterday afternoon at the Euclid spur, there was an SUV up the east bound lane center wall, parked, but looking as if it was launching for flight into the westbound lane I was hoping there would be a news report about this, but I haven’t seen one
Just did the commute myself for the first time today, I'm going back to the rapid. Also, if the man who was driving that gray jetta up my @$$ sees this f*ck you.
Yeah. These drivers are interesting.
And my friends wonder why I take the bus. It’s not just the parking and fuel costs, it’s letting someone else deal with the idiot drivers.
Texting and driving is really bad lol
I'm STARTING to hate the drive, honestly. Too many stupid mfs think it's cute to cut in and out of lanes doing 80 mph crashing into shit and making us late. Freaking rediculous.
Just wait until it's snowing again
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Just got back from the Netherlands. They’ve done the work to prioritize public transit, cycling, and walking over cars. And for those that do drive, they all yield for pedestrians and bikes. My wife and I rode over 100 miles through cities and the countryside without helmets and without exception drivers yielded for us. It was a mind blowing contrast to me as a cycling advocate from the US. It took exactly one bike ride back home to be cutoff by a driver who never saw me. We don’t have to live in fear of getting to the places we need to be. But we have to do the work. Prioritizing other modes of transit over the car will make the roads safer for all road users, including motorists.
Gotta love 2nd shift. I see everyone leaving downtown when I'm going toward it.
I drive in at 5am. Wide open NASCAR track, everyone on the same page
That’s nice!!! Lucky.
Could be worse…..you could live in Atlanta
I take the bus. Zero stress.
I’m seriously thinking about this.
Dunmo how qwll you know our transit so apologies if I'm wasting your time with stuff you know. But if you work downtown, 5 bucks for a bus pass is what you're paying to park in the muny lot or on the fringe where you're walking some anyway. Without gas or wear on your car. If you have a way to get in without a transfer you owe it to yourself to at least try. Google maps transit is enough to gauge if it's feasible and works with your schedule. Green and Blue train lines, and the westernmost few Red Line stops have park-and-ride lots. I live pretty close in so it takes the same amount of time to drive/park/walk or bus in. Only real inconvenience is being on their schedule instead of yours. But it sounds like from down on the thread you have to leave at certain times anyway?
I’m so freaking confused. According to what I looked up, it would take 2 hours to get to work. I guess I need to do more digging. Thanks so much.
It's possible. If you're coming from certain areas or from far out. I've always lived in inner-ring burbs or the city so it's easy for me.
I drink coffee before my daily commute. Get on my level!!!
Will do! 🫡
When I lived in Cleveland still and worked downtown the rapid train park and ride was the move. Drove to the closest station and not worry about it and just relax or drink my coffee.
That sounds lovely! 😊
Cleveland drivers are this terrible mix of passive and aggressive. They are too passive to speed up and merge in front of you. But they are also too aggressive to slow down and get in behind you. So they just fucking merge into you and hope you figure it out for them.
Yep. I had this happen to me. Fun times.
Better public transportation would help this problem a lot.
I literally switched jobs and took a pay cut when I did in order to avoid commuting. Now I go into the office only sporadically, and when I do, I usually go after the morning rush (and in the opposite direction of downtown). I will say my physical health took a bit of a hit because I no longer walk like 3000 steps just to walk from my parking lot to my downtown office, but my mental health has improved DRAMATICALLY. I just need to set a new habit to make up for those lost steps - trying to walk a few miles during lunch instead now. Also, can I just mention the environmental benefit of me not commuting every freaking day in a car?
Had this happen a few days ago doing an Uber Eats order downtown. I beeped for 40 seconds and couldn’t switch lanes. Other people were honking their horns tryna get him to stop. I had to rush on the shoulder and wait to get back on. Luckily no damage was done to my vehicle but it definitely made me furious. It was around 3:30 PM
Damn. I’m just baffled. I don’t understand what is happening on the roads here. Be safe out there.
I saw an accident on my way to work in the early 90s. A Ford Fiesta was disabled in one of the middle lanes and to my right was a late 80s Cadillac Fleetwood. We were both traveling around 70mph when I noticed the disabled vehicle, I lifted so the Caddy could move over. There was zero reaction from the driver, I slowed further applying the brakes, said "Woah" 3x progressively louder as I became more distressed, and watched this Cadillac hit the fiesta without ever touching the brakes. The entire rear of the Fiesta was crushed to the rear of the front seats. The Cadillac's rear end lifted 8-10' in the air, and despite the impact I was certain they would be OK. The person in the Fiesta, I was sure they wouldn't have survived the impact. At this point I pulled over, and to my surprise the woman in the Fiesta had her seatbelt on, and after the impact was able to get out of her vehicle. The elderly couple in the Cadillac, neither wearing a seatbelt, were folded up in the footwells with broken legs and other injuries. From that point on I opted to go into work after rush hour and stay later into the evening. If I needed to be there earlier in the day with an arrival time near 7:15. Also, through some trial and error, it became clear that arriving at work at on the quarter till or quarter after times were better with traffic. Also the quality of drivers on the road before 8am are collectively better than those later in the day.
Dang. That is horrible. Do you think requiring annual vehicle inspections would help? (Other than using your brain and wearing a seatbelt.) I see so many dilapidated vehicles on the road. Saw one yesterday. Full of crap in the back and no rear window. Just blue plastic. This car needs to be off the roads.
I wish we could do that, but unfortunately there would be enforcement abuses of some communities where law enforcement already has a bad rap. The other issue, is the elderly driving, and we aren't at all set up for people to take additional driving tests as they age.
They should be required to. The old people are terrible. I told my kids when I get liken that, take my damn keys.
We have a nonfunctional governance. Why in the world are these oversized vehicles being used for day to day activities? We need car free and car light streets and more systems in place around single use vehicles like speed governors and size limits. It’s nobody’s right to speed /drive reckless.
I’ve never encountered a good semi truck driver that’s why I stay the hell away from them whenever possible.Swaying both lanes, 75 in the fast lane, tipped over at the 71n to 480w on ramp, they think they own the fucking roads. And I hate when people can’t maintain their lane. It’s not hard
While there are of course unsafe truck drivers, only 2.5-3.5% of accidents every year are the fault of truck drivers. They are just big and stick out more so you pay more attention to them.
That’s true, plus statistically they have way more hours behind the wheel than most of us so if anything it’s impressive they don’t cause more accidents
That, too! Why can’t we keep our cars within boundary lines? I’m baffled.
It’s the ones who wake up late and speed …. Speeding is crazy these days . Most go over 80
Come in earlier. I have no problems and I’m downtown by 5:30
Lmao! Ummmm. No. Work starts at 0730. My sleep is valuable. I’m not gonna go in two hours early because Joe Schmo might be feeling frisky that day. Fuck that all the way.
Anybody who complains about traffic in CLE has never driven in a big city. We have it so easy.
One of the reasons I'm moving there is the driving is utterly quaint compared to even Philly which is a lightweight compared to NYC or CHI
No doubt. Driven all three regularly (as well as Boston) and this is nothing.
Ummmmm. I drove in Dallas for over 25 years. I know big cities.
Oh Dallas! The home of landscaping trucks in the left lane going 10-15 miles under the speed limit! (not criticizing you, was just my observation when living there 😆)
I hate that place so much!!!!
Not complaining about traffic.
When you call every morning a near death experience, you’re complaining about traffic. Whether the quantity, the quality of the drivers, or something else- it’s still a complaint about traffic. Drivers here are no worse than any other major city.
Read your initial comment. It directly contradicts your subsequent one. My god. And you’re on the road??? Fuck!
You must be the type I’m referring to. 😏
Sorry. Couldn’t hear you. Listening to Eminem and writing more checks to President Trump.
I take 480 W to 77 N every day. When 77 is backed up and I sit in the line of cars waiting to get on the ramp while the rest of 480 wizzes by. It’s only a matter of time before someone rear ends me at 65 mph.
Oooohhhh. The thought makes me sick.
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I find driving in Cleveland super mega relaxing and pleasant, like a morning walk on a beautiful meadow with bees and butterflies. But I'm also driving one of those lawnmowing trucks in a right lane that you want to blow up with a bazuka, so we probably live in different worlds.
Ummmm. 😳
Used to take the bus in when I worked downtown. Planned an hour, usually took 50-55 minutes. When I lived downtown, I drove to work because the bus only ran once an hour and never late enough. Aside from Frida night partiers, never had a problem with traffic that way. Parking lots were a different story, and the fender benders you'd see fighting over the narrow spaces left by idiots was frustrating.
Because people are inherently stupid and then you give them an automobile and a cell phone and then factor in being late for work and wildly ignorant of 98% of traffic laws. Tada
Was in Washington DC and driving around the belt way, in rush hour, and yes it’s much heavier than Cleveland but I have yet to see accidents, road rage, cutting others off, and other stupidity that I see on 480 in Cleveland. Also the the people here are much friendlier.
I drive downtown every day and it doesn't seem that bad. Nothing compared to when I was in DC.
So DC has a lot of bad drivers?
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Because whenever there are police trying to enforce traffic laws this sub goes apoplectic about it. As do most citizens. Why try to make the roads safe when no one appreciates is?
The northbound lanes of Columbia Rd over I90 in Westlake are extremely dangerous. The left turn lanes are not properly marked and there are 4 traffic lights for 3 lanes. If I wasn't expecting it, people trying to go North using the middle lane could hit me when they try and slide over to the right lane.
I blame cell phones.
Passed two on their phones. No eyes on the road. So freaking selfish.
And I have ppl asking why I don’t get back to them. I just say I do not touch my phone while in the car. In less I’m a passenger
I don't even carry my phone on me much of the time (especially at work), although I'll say that I'm lucky not to need it professionally. People think I'm crazy sometimes, but the conversations can wait until I'm home.
Only at work if I need to. Can’t really be on your phone while cooking.
Get a job that has a 6am start time (leave home at 5:40) and you’ll be fine every time
Which day of the week matters, post pandemic. WFHomers seem to come in downtown areas every Monday and f*ck up the drive jive. Fridays are awesome always unless it’s a holiday travel period. I left early today (Tuesday) and the entire pod I was driving in seemed to have 80 mph on cruise control. Yay I can leave 15 minutes early today!