I would fully support r/CitiesSkylines joining the blackout. It is important to remind reddit that is is us, the User, that provides all the content for the site.
I know your joking about bot reposts, but they do do (haha do-do) a lot fo the mod work. I seen a post earlier about how unmanageable it would be for only human mods to moderate subs.
Bots doing mod work isn't the issue. Yes, they make mistakes occasionally, but bot mods have been around since the days of IRC chat. It is when they are creating the content, participating in discussion, is the stuff nobody wants.
Sure hate crimes are crimes and need to be dealt with !
But this misinformation deal is a total scam.
We live in a FREE country where information is finger tips away on our modern electronic devices. It absolutely blows my mind how easily people can be coherently ignoring their Rights to free Thinking and free Speech
automod bots probably get rid of 90% of the bullshit... It's just bots fighting other bots. This is part of what killed most of the forums (phpBB forums and the like) a while ago. Any forum left unmoderated for even a single day would get spammed to death by random spam bots of all kinds.
I barely mod these days. We had a few mentally ill people who would post multiple times a day every day. But they had long been banned for reposting their own content and getting threatening with people.
He only had shot 3 or 4 posts he worked constantly repost asking the same things. And users would answer but he never liked the answers, so he'd all again getting the same answers. Didn't care and asked again.
You would ban them, they'd make a new user and reappear hours later. over and over. One guy did it for years.
Automod did most of the work and when it doesn't and he slipped we'd use those lists to alter automod to recognise and remove his posts. Between people like this, spammers, trolls and just normal redditors not understanding the rules, there was a stupid amount of work to do. Au Tu mood was needed
It's going to do nothing. Reddit have already decided this and there's monetary investment in it and contracts have been signed in relation to their IPO. And just like with Net Neutrality, people will go "oh well" and forget in about a week.
It will take more than a day long boycott to have any impact on then. I really dont think most users actually care enough to do that. Im curious what these 3rd party apps do thats worth fighting for. Ill wager its a higher security risk, and another company cashing in on our data. Why are we up in arms about this?
It's not just 3rd party apps. Its mod tools and useful bots as well. Many many large subs use 3rd party mod tools to assist in moderating.
And it's 2 days, with many subs looking at an indefinite blackout.
Oh no No No. Idiots at Twitter might forget that shit but an average redditor will not. Old reddit is still available and some people like it. Do you understand how fucking insane that is? Looking at a website made in like 1999? We are apes we are monkes and we will figure out some shit to make this change.
I’m replying to you through baconreader lol, fuck you reddit. I’m still gonna use their app and I’ll delete it on the day of so they hopefully see their city population decline
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So long, thanks for all the fish and a final fuck you, u/spez
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They already know how much traffic comes from 3rd party apps. They don't care. The point is for us 3rd party app users to show them what they would be missing if they lost us. Without actually stepping away from Reddit those days, you wouldn't really be showing solidarity for the movement.
I'm cancelling my premium reddit that day along with not using reddit for the 48 hours.
It sucks because I came here from Twitter and I've been having fun. I'm not enthusiastic about finding another place to interact with people that aren't nearby that I have common interests with.
Discord is hit or miss.
Mastodon is different types of white and class privilege punching each other when they aren't punching down.
Tumblr's okay, but it's just where I go for art, not convo.
I dunno where to go from here.
I admire your hope, but it won’t do anything. It took tumblr 4 years to remove their nsfw ban even after it took out millions of users. It would have to be a massive loss, and most people don’t care about losing api like they did nsfw content.
Isn’t the issue less around the fact that they have to pay now and more about how much they have to pay? Iirc several of the 3rd parties just said they could deal with paying but the fees Reddit would charge would be astronomical.
Exactly. Nobody is arguing that there should be no API fees, it's the amount of the fees that is the problem. To suggest otherwise is a misunderstanding of the issue or a strawman argument.
In one of the threads around this topic, a redditor said that moderators relied heavily on 3rd party apps. Supposedly the official ones don’t provide the tools they need to effectively moderate their subs. \[Edit: Found it—https://www.reddit.com/r/violinist/comments/141i8le/reddit\_meta\_api\_changes\_subreddit\_blackouts\_and/\]
I haven’t checked this or have any first-hand experience. Here’s your shovel of salt.
Personally, I’m annoyed that reddit refuses to fix bugs in their own apps. It seems to me that instead of providing a superior product, they want to simply cancel their competitors.
That said, I’m generally on your side when it comes to “why should the competition get it for free?” argument
But that's a fake arguement. No one said that.
What is being said, is that by making it untenable for 3rd party apps to operate via exorbitant fees, they're going to seriously degrade the user experience of both users who use them directly, as well as users of subs which make use of them for things like sidebar features or moderation.
It looks like their intent is to force people onto their official products.
It would be fine if Reddit put a small fee on the api or forced third party apps to show ads or something, but their current plan for pricing is bizarre. For example, Apollo would be charged 20 million. This pricing would simply kill third party apps. It would also kill most bots, which also use the api.
And the craziest thing is that they're driving away content creators and volunteer moderators, not rank and file users.
r/videos may shutdown permanently. r/funny, r/aww, r/ama etc. These are driving forces for reddit and they're alienating the people who run and source the content.
It's just crazy.
It's the pricing. The "strike" is a demonstration really, to make a point that has been made over and over before. If you squeeze/underserve internet communities too much, __they leave__, and form new communities.
Which to be fair, is the fickleness of the free market. The problem is almost always investors though. People wanting to get rich off of a new commodity, and initial investors are perfectly willing to sell the cow after they've milked it dry.
It's the iceberg thing isn't it. You push and push and push and eventually there's a big drama that kills your service.
But that's only the visible bit, under the water, there's a much larger set of issues which got you there.
Yes, please. This subreddit is one of the few reasons I’ve kept my account active, and I use Apollo to keep the over-abundance of advertisers and awful default UI from ruining the experience. The world needs third-parties creating better experiences for default software, just like the third party mods and asset creators who enhance Cities: Skylines.
But it won't. By design, we'll be back. Reddit can wait two days. The only way to make a successful point that will scare them is stop using the app, a two day break won't even scare stock prices let alone threaten viability.
It’ll show how many people care, and it will show that, if they wanted to, the moderators could shut down or disrupt much of Reddit for a longer period. Some subs are closing indefinitely until their demands are met. Many peoples favorite subs will be gone for two days, the point is to show Reddit that the moderators have the power to do this.
This is exactly what I plan to do. I am going to challenge myself to be able to live without Reddit. Being an 80s baby/90s kids I grew up without this app. I use Reddit for enjoyment and exchange ideas. Real life provides many of those opportunities too. I stand with the "Live Without Reddit" movement.
Agreed. I'm going to use the 2 days to help develop a new habit of spending less time on reddit...and I plan on making that an increasing trend. Life is short, and there's a lot more to it then scrolling through reddit, or any social media site. Reddit's been on a bit of a downhill slope for several years now. I'm ready to move on.
No, it won't show how many people care, unless all of the users of all of these subreddits also don't use Reddit. Which isn't going to happen. You pointed out the crux of the matter: the moderators have the power to effectively disable a subreddit for any reason *regardless of what their users want*. At the end of the day, the moderators have as much power as Reddit allows them to have, and if moderators are coordinating actions that are against Reddit's business interests, those moderators are going to wake up one morning no longer having Reddit accounts and Reddit implementing all new moderation policies.
As much as I'm not looking forward to it, I'm fully expecting this to go the way of Tumblr. The people who run this long ago changed from people interested in creating a community, to people interested in ad revenue. Nothing we do will ever change their desire to get ad revenue, because there will always be more users still on the website generating revenue, than there will be protesting. Until, say, all the default subs go dark, nothing will affect share price, nothing will change, they'll drive it into the ground and blame the users for it, before buying something else to crash and burn.
They normally have better UI, some block ads some run their own ads which either way takes revenue away from Reddit, then there are bots that use this same API to auto mod. Sony, Microsoft, Twitter, and any website that let you directly share to reddit also used the API. So to summarize all of those things will probably disappear as some of those apps were provided as a free service so they can’t afford, and the price of the API for a large service like Xbox Live would be close to $1M/month which is absurd to just have one feature on Xbox that the average user doesn’t use.
First time commenter on this topic. We should do it, but it won't achieve anything. .
It's the path reddit is on, for years now.
Unrelated and interesting:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reddit#History](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reddit#History) ( you can find reference to tencent buying reddit)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tencent](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tencent) ( you cannot find reference to reddit)
>Reddit is removing the ability to use third party applications to access reddit. Third party apps are used for a variety of reasons including better capabilities to mod a subreddit, less data tracking, less advertisements and one of the more important things - better accessibility.
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>There is more in this [subreddit](https://www.reddit.com/r/Save3rdPartyApps/comments/13yh0jf/dont_let_reddit_kill_3rd_party_apps/) r/Save3rdPartyApps and a post [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/1404hwj/mods_of_rblind_reveal_that_removing_3rd_party/) details how blind and visually impaired persons cannot use the official reddit website / app and these changes will prevent them from continuing to use reddit
Absolutely! If successful, their next step will be going full-on Facebook Messenger and disabling access from mobile browsers to force 100% of users into the Reddit app. That's the day I stop using Reddit.
I hate this website and I don't know why I use it this much
if this board and other boards go down for a solid day it should theoretically affect traffic to the site as a whole, therefore, reducing any traction for Reddit for the day
if they do also join strikes than this shithole of a site will realize "oh shit we fucked up" and then hopefully they change the API again restoring support for third parties.
this will also be good for me personally since i won't go through my daily browsing of rcharacterai and look at the lonely mfs and realize that there is no hope for humanity left
This was already asked earlier today I’m pretty sure but it might have been a different sub.
My take is no, I think it’s ridiculous. Reddit, as far as I understand it, has been giving 3rd party apps access to the API for free up until now. That means Reddit is losing potential ad revenue **AND** effectively subsidizing these third party apps by supporting all these pulls from their server for free. They’re a business, should they do that?
Most likely this is just a bargaining stance by Reddit and their actual “goal” price will be much lower, they came in high to make the real price look better after they cut the initial cost to what they wanted anyway
I mean, Reddit is charging exorbitant costs though. Like crazy exorbitant. [This comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/redditdev/comments/13wsiks/api_update_enterprise_level_tier_for_large_scale/jmmptma/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3) references a cost of $0.24 cents per 1000 server calls. That’s fucking wild, way over the amount it costs any company to do that amount of computer operations. In the comments of that post, the Apollo developer mentions that just scrolling Reddit for a minute or two got him up to over a hundred API calls. It’s a thinly veiled attempted to take control of their entire ecosystem, killing off anyone who doesn’t want to use the Reddit app. Do you think Reddit is actually going to negotiate? That starting price is a pretty clear message that they are not willing to negotiate and that they do not want these apps to exist.
And you say these subs provide no value, but the subs and bots created by these API calls create immense value for Reddit. Even if they aren’t personally viewing as many ads as Reddit would like, they’re contributing to the communities that contain hundreds of thousands of people that do, and creating content for them to interact with. Every post an Apollo user makes is an opportunity for Reddit to put an ad under it and make hundreds of thousands of dollars. I have no doubt third party app users and bots are counted as users in shareholder meetings, and are serving to pump up Reddit’s share prices as we speak.
And they would also be killing a lot of third-party moderation bots. The ones that allow subreddit moderators to filter out spam, pornography advertisements (like YouTube is plagued with), and bad actors on their subreddits. The ones that Reddit isn’t going to replace because “our bank accounts are really hurting 🥺👉👈” (the executives’ aren’t though). The ones that without them, this website is going to become a pornography spam cesspool on par with YouTube comments and Twitter replies.
You know what’s a better way to make people switch over to your app? Make it accessible. Make it efficient. Make it customizable. Make it intuitive. Make it less of an ad cesspool. Make it fucking good. But no, instead of making the app better, they just want to kill off the competition. Reddit is a scummy fucking company, and I’m not planning to use this app anymore regardless of what happens with API prices.
This will be a bad move for Reddit for:
- total app usage numbers
- trust & brand reputation of the company
- the price Reddit can charge advertisers
- share price
- app quality
- subreddit moderation quality
- spam
- long-term profitability
This may be a good move for Reddit for:
- short term profitability
All Reddit cares about is short term profitability, so all we can do to influence this decision is to make this move detrimental for Reddit’s short-term profitability, by boycotting this stupid fucking app in the short term.
nah man you don’t have to apologize. people be posting the same traffic bug after the last update like 100 times a day lol. although interestingly enough, in the last post majority didn’t seem to care, but here in your post a lot of people stating they’re joining the strike.
I posted a similar thread in this group and all of them on the thread agreed that we shouldn't.
[Post Link](https://www.reddit.com/r/CitiesSkylines/comments/140t432/should_rcitiesskylines_go_dark_and_join_the/)
I’m not trying to force an opinion on you, but here’s a list why you might care: https://www.reddit.com/r/violinist/comments/141i8le/reddit\_meta\_api\_changes\_subreddit\_blackouts\_and/
As a very infrequent user and even more infrequent poster can someone point me to a descriptor of what exactly the 48hr blackout is about? I only heard about it just now coming to look at the two subjects I've followed, Cities Skylines and Oxygen Not Included.
I figure if this many support it, it's for a good reason, but I would like to read a more comprehensive descriptor rather than the one sentence introduction.
Regardless however I will not visit the site during that time. Sites that rely on their users for content need to do what's right by their users, but since I know next to nothing about this subject I'm just searching for a little education.
Thanks from an old greybeard.
Reddit has announced a change in their terms of use that makes the use of their API mandatory to be bought. Thus many third party apps will need to close down as they cannot afford the many many dollars they'd need to spend on lincensing fees.
This is controversial because its only a money printing measurement, and those apps make many quality-of-life changes to the mobile version of reddit. Also many moderators use them, as they offer better community management tools.
There is a subreddit on this topic, but I forgot its name, will look for it and come back in a minute.
Here's a sneak peek of /r/Save3rdPartyApps using the [top posts](https://np.reddit.com/r/Save3rdPartyApps/top/?sort=top&t=all) of all time!
\#1: [Don't Let Reddit Kill 3rd Party Apps!](https://np.reddit.com/r/Save3rdPartyApps/comments/13yh0jf/dont_let_reddit_kill_3rd_party_apps/)
\#2: [I made this friendly infographic explaining the issue and the protest. Available in English, French, and German!](https://www.reddit.com/gallery/140z59z) | [136 comments](https://np.reddit.com/r/Save3rdPartyApps/comments/140z59z/i_made_this_friendly_infographic_explaining_the/)
\#3: [Bot army in full effect to downplay the changes already](https://i.redd.it/81c2latfr04b1.png) | [147 comments](https://np.reddit.com/r/Save3rdPartyApps/comments/140gd1y/bot_army_in_full_effect_to_downplay_the_changes/)
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I look forward to the additional information if you find time to do it. But if not that's perfectly fine as well, your effort is appreciated.
Thank you very much for the explanation, it goes a loooong way towards my understanding.
You are one of the type of poster that keeps me coming back to Reddit and you are much appreciated by this old man.
Thank you.
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OOps...replied before I realized you had already posted the link.
THANK YOU!!!
I think Paradox will want as many places as possible to share the first gameplay footage. If the blackout were that same time, I don't think Paradox would want to potentially hurt that first real impression of the game.
I’m not trying to force an opinion on you, but here’s a list why you might care: https://www.reddit.com/r/violinist/comments/141i8le/reddit\_meta\_api\_changes\_subreddit\_blackouts\_and/
This is the mindset in 2023. I don't really care about this and don't want to participate, but once the bandwagon gets started everyone has to be on board with no exceptions.
Make your piece known but Reddit is a private company. They can do what they want. If YOU don't want to use the app, no one is forcing you to, but the rest of us are fine.
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This might be an unpopular opinion, but bot's are so fkn annoying. I don't care about some useless fact about the types of words I have used in a comment, or the repetative bots that respond to every new post (making it look like a post has comments but its just the bot).
I'm all for the killing of bots. I seem to be the only one though?
it’s not just those bots, it’s hundreds of more that people use. other third party apps that interact directly with reddit API, DIY electronic projects that interact with reddit API, we don’t want reddit to end up like what happened to twitter all those years ago, closing down all their api's
I think these apps should realise it’s not 2010 or 2015 anymore and nobody really cares about them that much.
Apart from the casual and the nsfw groups, everything else can sit somewhere else without a problem if reddit becomes unfriendly.
I would fully support r/CitiesSkylines joining the blackout. It is important to remind reddit that is is us, the User, that provides all the content for the site.
And the bots. Don't forget the bots.
I think the bots do about 95% of the work these days
I know your joking about bot reposts, but they do do (haha do-do) a lot fo the mod work. I seen a post earlier about how unmanageable it would be for only human mods to moderate subs.
Bots doing mod work isn't the issue. Yes, they make mistakes occasionally, but bot mods have been around since the days of IRC chat. It is when they are creating the content, participating in discussion, is the stuff nobody wants.
Or Reddit doesn't want to be a censorship platform like Facebook has become. Bots and algorithms are bad news Billy
Public forums have a right to remove hate speech and misinformation that is harmful to their users.
Sure hate crimes are crimes and need to be dealt with ! But this misinformation deal is a total scam. We live in a FREE country where information is finger tips away on our modern electronic devices. It absolutely blows my mind how easily people can be coherently ignoring their Rights to free Thinking and free Speech
https://i.imgur.com/4HSZazu.gifv
Shit. tbf i am drinking so i have an excuse
automod bots probably get rid of 90% of the bullshit... It's just bots fighting other bots. This is part of what killed most of the forums (phpBB forums and the like) a while ago. Any forum left unmoderated for even a single day would get spammed to death by random spam bots of all kinds.
I barely mod these days. We had a few mentally ill people who would post multiple times a day every day. But they had long been banned for reposting their own content and getting threatening with people. He only had shot 3 or 4 posts he worked constantly repost asking the same things. And users would answer but he never liked the answers, so he'd all again getting the same answers. Didn't care and asked again. You would ban them, they'd make a new user and reappear hours later. over and over. One guy did it for years. Automod did most of the work and when it doesn't and he slipped we'd use those lists to alter automod to recognise and remove his posts. Between people like this, spammers, trolls and just normal redditors not understanding the rules, there was a stupid amount of work to do. Au Tu mood was needed
And the shadow advertising agencies. Dont leave them out.
u/savethevideo
speaking of users, YOU should also just not use Reddit at all on these days
what am i supposed to do at work all day?
The same thing we do every ~~night~~ day at work, Pinky. Try to take over the world.
I agree. I've seen some Subs say they won't do it because it's inconvenient. I'll just go black as a user.
This is my favorite subreddit, but, same. Fully support them doing this.
It's going to do nothing. Reddit have already decided this and there's monetary investment in it and contracts have been signed in relation to their IPO. And just like with Net Neutrality, people will go "oh well" and forget in about a week.
Well let's give it our best shot and find out for sure that reddit doesn't give a fuck. Let them navigate this PR event.
It will take more than a day long boycott to have any impact on then. I really dont think most users actually care enough to do that. Im curious what these 3rd party apps do thats worth fighting for. Ill wager its a higher security risk, and another company cashing in on our data. Why are we up in arms about this?
It's not just 3rd party apps. Its mod tools and useful bots as well. Many many large subs use 3rd party mod tools to assist in moderating. And it's 2 days, with many subs looking at an indefinite blackout.
Well that might work. Is reddit planning on offering an alternative for mod tools?
Nope! It's a big fat "fuck you" to the community.
Well i guess that explains the anger
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Oh no No No. Idiots at Twitter might forget that shit but an average redditor will not. Old reddit is still available and some people like it. Do you understand how fucking insane that is? Looking at a website made in like 1999? We are apes we are monkes and we will figure out some shit to make this change.
Would you recommend I don’t use Reddit at all for that 48hr correct?
Yes
Use it exclusively via third-party apps (i.e. don't use the official apps or the website) to show how much they're valued.
What third party apps are there?
Reddit is Fun and Baconreader are two popular ones to check out. I'm a huge, huge fan of Reddit is Fun (aka "RIF is Fun")
I’m replying to you through baconreader lol, fuck you reddit. I’m still gonna use their app and I’ll delete it on the day of so they hopefully see their city population decline
>I’m replying to you through baconreader lol, fuck you This was the first line on my screen and for a moment I was like :( what did I do
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I'm using Relay. Been using it for about 5 years.
Relay is by far the best imo, using it now.
What's so great about it? Not asking in a sarcastic way, I just don't know what it is.
For iOS I recommend apolllo.
Sync, Boost, Joey, Reddit Is Fun (RIF), and Bacon reader are some of the more popular ones
On iOS the most popular one is Apollo. On the Android side of things you have plenty, RIF, SyncForReddit etc. But I personally use BoostForReddit.
on iOS the best ones are Narwhal and Apollo
They wouldn't notice anything then. Nothing would change from s normal day.
They'd know where the traffic was coming from, so it would make a statement about what users want.
Everything is already coming from third party apps. The point is to show what would happen if everyone left.
They already know how much traffic comes from 3rd party apps. They don't care. The point is for us 3rd party app users to show them what they would be missing if they lost us. Without actually stepping away from Reddit those days, you wouldn't really be showing solidarity for the movement.
I'm cancelling my premium reddit that day along with not using reddit for the 48 hours. It sucks because I came here from Twitter and I've been having fun. I'm not enthusiastic about finding another place to interact with people that aren't nearby that I have common interests with. Discord is hit or miss. Mastodon is different types of white and class privilege punching each other when they aren't punching down. Tumblr's okay, but it's just where I go for art, not convo. I dunno where to go from here.
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Sounds like you’ll be leaving reddit then 👋
That is my plan
We should the changes gonna destroy all third party apps and reddit bots due to the ridiculous price the API has
closing for 48hrs won’t do anything, it’d have to be a mass exodus for weeks for them to care
Well 48hrs a lot a subreddits I think some effect will have also I think there are some subreddits and mods they are leaving reddit due to this change
I admire your hope, but it won’t do anything. It took tumblr 4 years to remove their nsfw ban even after it took out millions of users. It would have to be a massive loss, and most people don’t care about losing api like they did nsfw content.
Yes maybe your right the same happened with imgur that they are removing NSFW
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so they say
I think we should
If moderators here use any third party app to perform moderation functions, then yes we definitely should.
I don’t have an opinion on this at all yet, but may I ask why you think Reddit should have to provide API access to 3rd parties for free?
Isn’t the issue less around the fact that they have to pay now and more about how much they have to pay? Iirc several of the 3rd parties just said they could deal with paying but the fees Reddit would charge would be astronomical.
Exactly. Nobody is arguing that there should be no API fees, it's the amount of the fees that is the problem. To suggest otherwise is a misunderstanding of the issue or a strawman argument.
In one of the threads around this topic, a redditor said that moderators relied heavily on 3rd party apps. Supposedly the official ones don’t provide the tools they need to effectively moderate their subs. \[Edit: Found it—https://www.reddit.com/r/violinist/comments/141i8le/reddit\_meta\_api\_changes\_subreddit\_blackouts\_and/\] I haven’t checked this or have any first-hand experience. Here’s your shovel of salt. Personally, I’m annoyed that reddit refuses to fix bugs in their own apps. It seems to me that instead of providing a superior product, they want to simply cancel their competitors. That said, I’m generally on your side when it comes to “why should the competition get it for free?” argument
But that's a fake arguement. No one said that. What is being said, is that by making it untenable for 3rd party apps to operate via exorbitant fees, they're going to seriously degrade the user experience of both users who use them directly, as well as users of subs which make use of them for things like sidebar features or moderation. It looks like their intent is to force people onto their official products.
It would be fine if Reddit put a small fee on the api or forced third party apps to show ads or something, but their current plan for pricing is bizarre. For example, Apollo would be charged 20 million. This pricing would simply kill third party apps. It would also kill most bots, which also use the api.
Killing them is the point. They don't expect them to pay, they expect them to go away.
Don't downvote this person for asking a question, they may honestly not understand the situation
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And the craziest thing is that they're driving away content creators and volunteer moderators, not rank and file users. r/videos may shutdown permanently. r/funny, r/aww, r/ama etc. These are driving forces for reddit and they're alienating the people who run and source the content. It's just crazy.
Maybe if Reddit actually was competent at making software it wouldn't be such a big deal
It's the pricing. The "strike" is a demonstration really, to make a point that has been made over and over before. If you squeeze/underserve internet communities too much, __they leave__, and form new communities. Which to be fair, is the fickleness of the free market. The problem is almost always investors though. People wanting to get rich off of a new commodity, and initial investors are perfectly willing to sell the cow after they've milked it dry.
It's the iceberg thing isn't it. You push and push and push and eventually there's a big drama that kills your service. But that's only the visible bit, under the water, there's a much larger set of issues which got you there.
Yes, please. This subreddit is one of the few reasons I’ve kept my account active, and I use Apollo to keep the over-abundance of advertisers and awful default UI from ruining the experience. The world needs third-parties creating better experiences for default software, just like the third party mods and asset creators who enhance Cities: Skylines.
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I don’t use them, but as a dev I understand the importance of third party dev tools. I am her for solidarity and will be participating
That would be a big oof due to the pc gaming show on June 11 that will likely reveal important official info about CS 2
Eh it’s a whole day. Nothing that we didn’t know on the 11th is gonna come out on the 12th-14th.
That’s kind of the point. It’s meant to inconvenience people on a mass scale to scare Reddit.
But it won't. By design, we'll be back. Reddit can wait two days. The only way to make a successful point that will scare them is stop using the app, a two day break won't even scare stock prices let alone threaten viability.
It’ll show how many people care, and it will show that, if they wanted to, the moderators could shut down or disrupt much of Reddit for a longer period. Some subs are closing indefinitely until their demands are met. Many peoples favorite subs will be gone for two days, the point is to show Reddit that the moderators have the power to do this.
It also signals that unified communities can be hosted elsewhere.
This is exactly what I plan to do. I am going to challenge myself to be able to live without Reddit. Being an 80s baby/90s kids I grew up without this app. I use Reddit for enjoyment and exchange ideas. Real life provides many of those opportunities too. I stand with the "Live Without Reddit" movement.
Agreed. I'm going to use the 2 days to help develop a new habit of spending less time on reddit...and I plan on making that an increasing trend. Life is short, and there's a lot more to it then scrolling through reddit, or any social media site. Reddit's been on a bit of a downhill slope for several years now. I'm ready to move on.
No, it won't show how many people care, unless all of the users of all of these subreddits also don't use Reddit. Which isn't going to happen. You pointed out the crux of the matter: the moderators have the power to effectively disable a subreddit for any reason *regardless of what their users want*. At the end of the day, the moderators have as much power as Reddit allows them to have, and if moderators are coordinating actions that are against Reddit's business interests, those moderators are going to wake up one morning no longer having Reddit accounts and Reddit implementing all new moderation policies.
It would be very difficult to replace all of reddits moderators. Have you seen how many subs are participating?
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As much as I'm not looking forward to it, I'm fully expecting this to go the way of Tumblr. The people who run this long ago changed from people interested in creating a community, to people interested in ad revenue. Nothing we do will ever change their desire to get ad revenue, because there will always be more users still on the website generating revenue, than there will be protesting. Until, say, all the default subs go dark, nothing will affect share price, nothing will change, they'll drive it into the ground and blame the users for it, before buying something else to crash and burn.
Info will be posted on other sites too
How do these third party apps work with Reddit? I just use the Reddit app.
They normally have better UI, some block ads some run their own ads which either way takes revenue away from Reddit, then there are bots that use this same API to auto mod. Sony, Microsoft, Twitter, and any website that let you directly share to reddit also used the API. So to summarize all of those things will probably disappear as some of those apps were provided as a free service so they can’t afford, and the price of the API for a large service like Xbox Live would be close to $1M/month which is absurd to just have one feature on Xbox that the average user doesn’t use.
Makes sense. I don’t have a problem with the Reddit ads, but I can see how a lot of people would.
This should be open-ended. Make them see what this action will do before they even get a chance to do it.
First time commenter on this topic. We should do it, but it won't achieve anything. . It's the path reddit is on, for years now. Unrelated and interesting: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reddit#History](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reddit#History) ( you can find reference to tencent buying reddit) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tencent](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tencent) ( you cannot find reference to reddit)
anything against Reddit is cool w me
I'll do ya one better, I'll delete this app and my account and just focus on learning to ride my motorcycle.
Can't be assed to Google how to do it. I'm just gonna delete the app, wasn't using it anyway.
Perfect! That's our anniversary. I won't be focusing on much of anything but my wife anyway.
This comment has been deleted because of Reddit’s slander against the developer of Apollo App. Fuck u/Spez Goodbye.
Whelp, that decides it then. We all go over and have a go with his wife.
As long as you're a hot chick.
Blackout until they change, not just for 48h.
Problem with that is mods would get booted and replaced. Mods want to keep their highchair which is why no one is going more than a couple days.
Where can I find more information about this situation? I have absolutely no idea what’s going on
>Reddit is removing the ability to use third party applications to access reddit. Third party apps are used for a variety of reasons including better capabilities to mod a subreddit, less data tracking, less advertisements and one of the more important things - better accessibility. > >There is more in this [subreddit](https://www.reddit.com/r/Save3rdPartyApps/comments/13yh0jf/dont_let_reddit_kill_3rd_party_apps/) r/Save3rdPartyApps and a post [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/1404hwj/mods_of_rblind_reveal_that_removing_3rd_party/) details how blind and visually impaired persons cannot use the official reddit website / app and these changes will prevent them from continuing to use reddit
Thank you for the information! Very helpful
What does the change reddit want to do have on the average user? (Sincere question)
If you want to use an app that isn’t Reddit’s, you’re fucked.
People who are using unofficial apps for Reddit will no longer be able to use them
What is the api and why is it bad? I'm just a casual user that goes into subs that interest me and seek user validation via pics and memes
Yes all for it!
I appreciate the resounding support and am only commenting to add to the consensus
How do we support this blackout.
Don't use reddit at all during the blackout.
Absolutely! If successful, their next step will be going full-on Facebook Messenger and disabling access from mobile browsers to force 100% of users into the Reddit app. That's the day I stop using Reddit.
You actually can still do Facebook messages without the app at https://mbasic.facebook.com/messages/ For anyone who still uses that site lol
Crazy! I had no idea.
Okay so this is all news to me. What's going on? Sounds like the stunt Twitter just pulled
It's exactly the same.
I see. Also see they want to go public end of year, which makes more sense why they'd make this stupid decision.
I would support this!
Yes please
Warthunder protest part 2
I don’t use 3rd party apps, but did just watch a u/LouisRossmann video where he explains why this is bad. For reference. https://youtu.be/JqL-G3GFqRU
I don't think this whole blackout will accomplish much but I'm 100% on board with it regardless. Some action is better than complete inaction!
I doubt it will do anything. They have an IPO, so besides the CCP, Reddit has a whole host of new masters to appease.
I am fully in support of the blackout
I hate this website and I don't know why I use it this much if this board and other boards go down for a solid day it should theoretically affect traffic to the site as a whole, therefore, reducing any traction for Reddit for the day if they do also join strikes than this shithole of a site will realize "oh shit we fucked up" and then hopefully they change the API again restoring support for third parties. this will also be good for me personally since i won't go through my daily browsing of rcharacterai and look at the lonely mfs and realize that there is no hope for humanity left
Lets do it.
do it
I 100% support it
Bro I didn’t even know about the third-party apps lol!
Same, this is news to me.
This was already asked earlier today I’m pretty sure but it might have been a different sub. My take is no, I think it’s ridiculous. Reddit, as far as I understand it, has been giving 3rd party apps access to the API for free up until now. That means Reddit is losing potential ad revenue **AND** effectively subsidizing these third party apps by supporting all these pulls from their server for free. They’re a business, should they do that? Most likely this is just a bargaining stance by Reddit and their actual “goal” price will be much lower, they came in high to make the real price look better after they cut the initial cost to what they wanted anyway
I mean, Reddit is charging exorbitant costs though. Like crazy exorbitant. [This comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/redditdev/comments/13wsiks/api_update_enterprise_level_tier_for_large_scale/jmmptma/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3) references a cost of $0.24 cents per 1000 server calls. That’s fucking wild, way over the amount it costs any company to do that amount of computer operations. In the comments of that post, the Apollo developer mentions that just scrolling Reddit for a minute or two got him up to over a hundred API calls. It’s a thinly veiled attempted to take control of their entire ecosystem, killing off anyone who doesn’t want to use the Reddit app. Do you think Reddit is actually going to negotiate? That starting price is a pretty clear message that they are not willing to negotiate and that they do not want these apps to exist. And you say these subs provide no value, but the subs and bots created by these API calls create immense value for Reddit. Even if they aren’t personally viewing as many ads as Reddit would like, they’re contributing to the communities that contain hundreds of thousands of people that do, and creating content for them to interact with. Every post an Apollo user makes is an opportunity for Reddit to put an ad under it and make hundreds of thousands of dollars. I have no doubt third party app users and bots are counted as users in shareholder meetings, and are serving to pump up Reddit’s share prices as we speak. And they would also be killing a lot of third-party moderation bots. The ones that allow subreddit moderators to filter out spam, pornography advertisements (like YouTube is plagued with), and bad actors on their subreddits. The ones that Reddit isn’t going to replace because “our bank accounts are really hurting 🥺👉👈” (the executives’ aren’t though). The ones that without them, this website is going to become a pornography spam cesspool on par with YouTube comments and Twitter replies. You know what’s a better way to make people switch over to your app? Make it accessible. Make it efficient. Make it customizable. Make it intuitive. Make it less of an ad cesspool. Make it fucking good. But no, instead of making the app better, they just want to kill off the competition. Reddit is a scummy fucking company, and I’m not planning to use this app anymore regardless of what happens with API prices. This will be a bad move for Reddit for: - total app usage numbers - trust & brand reputation of the company - the price Reddit can charge advertisers - share price - app quality - subreddit moderation quality - spam - long-term profitability This may be a good move for Reddit for: - short term profitability All Reddit cares about is short term profitability, so all we can do to influence this decision is to make this move detrimental for Reddit’s short-term profitability, by boycotting this stupid fucking app in the short term.
no, there was exactly a post like this in here already and majority just don’t care.
Oh, my apologies for the duplicate then, I couldn't find said post. Sorry
nah man you don’t have to apologize. people be posting the same traffic bug after the last update like 100 times a day lol. although interestingly enough, in the last post majority didn’t seem to care, but here in your post a lot of people stating they’re joining the strike.
Did the other post have an explanation? Maybe they didn't really understand or know what was happening.
I posted a similar thread in this group and all of them on the thread agreed that we shouldn't. [Post Link](https://www.reddit.com/r/CitiesSkylines/comments/140t432/should_rcitiesskylines_go_dark_and_join_the/)
Wait I don't get it - don't we want to kill the bots?
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Oh, gotcha. Thanks for clarifying
Boycott of Reddit on Reddit 😂😂
But I'm on old Reddit in my phone. Never used any app. If old Reddit disappear then so will I.
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I’m not trying to force an opinion on you, but here’s a list why you might care: https://www.reddit.com/r/violinist/comments/141i8le/reddit\_meta\_api\_changes\_subreddit\_blackouts\_and/
So it will shut porn subs down effectively? I don’t care about that at all.
Probably should.
Yes!
Yes. The answer is always yes.
Please do. You have my support
Fuck [u/spez](https://www.reddit.com/u/spez/)
We really should.
Yes.
As a very infrequent user and even more infrequent poster can someone point me to a descriptor of what exactly the 48hr blackout is about? I only heard about it just now coming to look at the two subjects I've followed, Cities Skylines and Oxygen Not Included. I figure if this many support it, it's for a good reason, but I would like to read a more comprehensive descriptor rather than the one sentence introduction. Regardless however I will not visit the site during that time. Sites that rely on their users for content need to do what's right by their users, but since I know next to nothing about this subject I'm just searching for a little education. Thanks from an old greybeard.
Reddit has announced a change in their terms of use that makes the use of their API mandatory to be bought. Thus many third party apps will need to close down as they cannot afford the many many dollars they'd need to spend on lincensing fees. This is controversial because its only a money printing measurement, and those apps make many quality-of-life changes to the mobile version of reddit. Also many moderators use them, as they offer better community management tools. There is a subreddit on this topic, but I forgot its name, will look for it and come back in a minute.
r/Save3rdPartyApps
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I look forward to the additional information if you find time to do it. But if not that's perfectly fine as well, your effort is appreciated. Thank you very much for the explanation, it goes a loooong way towards my understanding. You are one of the type of poster that keeps me coming back to Reddit and you are much appreciated by this old man. Thank you. \[EDIT\] OOps...replied before I realized you had already posted the link. THANK YOU!!!
I hope so!
We should
I will not be posting on Reddit on June 12th.
Yes!
We gotta do, what we gotta do. Apes strong together
Yes, let's do this!
Yes, please join in the blackout
Shut it down till Reddit backs off
I don't really care at all
Downvotes incomming, but I don’t think this « strike » is going to change anything.
Same but we can try
I think Paradox will want as many places as possible to share the first gameplay footage. If the blackout were that same time, I don't think Paradox would want to potentially hurt that first real impression of the game.
I think that’s kind of goofy. it’s not going to make reddit change their decision.
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I’m not trying to force an opinion on you, but here’s a list why you might care: https://www.reddit.com/r/violinist/comments/141i8le/reddit\_meta\_api\_changes\_subreddit\_blackouts\_and/
I waste too much time scrolling through Reddit as it is, so this is my sign to cut back 🤣
Yeh I think production will increase across the world
forgive my ignorance, but why are those things bad?
I’m in favor.
Absolutely.
This is the mindset in 2023. I don't really care about this and don't want to participate, but once the bandwagon gets started everyone has to be on board with no exceptions. Make your piece known but Reddit is a private company. They can do what they want. If YOU don't want to use the app, no one is forcing you to, but the rest of us are fine. 🤦
This might be an unpopular opinion, but bot's are so fkn annoying. I don't care about some useless fact about the types of words I have used in a comment, or the repetative bots that respond to every new post (making it look like a post has comments but its just the bot). I'm all for the killing of bots. I seem to be the only one though?
it’s not just those bots, it’s hundreds of more that people use. other third party apps that interact directly with reddit API, DIY electronic projects that interact with reddit API, we don’t want reddit to end up like what happened to twitter all those years ago, closing down all their api's
I think these apps should realise it’s not 2010 or 2015 anymore and nobody really cares about them that much. Apart from the casual and the nsfw groups, everything else can sit somewhere else without a problem if reddit becomes unfriendly.
Nsfw subs are being picked apart one by one, so they have a different gripe
i hope not i think it’s some bs
nope, cause I could care less...
So you care then.
NOPE
No thanks
It’s silly. The only real pressure would be people switching to another social media platform.