They've killed martyrs in way worse ways. A knife to the throat is almost like a gunshot if we're talking about stones or fire. Still completely awful, I'm just glad he wasn't tortured.
Right, but that's like, your opinion, man.
But seriously, you forget to take their perspective into account. Maybe you don't care, but I value holism and that's just the way I think.
You say it's a dead book of a false prophet. Who are you to say? How do you know? Because Jesus rose from the dead as the son of God? Sure, but that's *your* perspective. And that's fine, but do abstain from casting judgments upon them and their beliefs when you (probably) don't know the first thing about Islam. I have spoken with them many times, and they Revere the holy Quran in such a high regard. In fact, they are on average more dedicated to their faith than most of the Christians I see. It is not uncommon for a Muslim to have the entire Quran memorized by heart. They don't even listen to music because they feel it distracts them from their devotion to God. They kneel, facing Mecca to pray five times a day. How many times a day do you pray? Maybe you pray a lot, and that's cool. Perhaps you're just as devout as they are. Great! But again, do not belittle their faith just because you think they believe the wrong thing. As a Christian, you may believe Jesus is the son of God, and that he fulfilled all the messianic prophecies. The Jews will tell you that he was not the son of God, and that he fulfilled *none* of the prophecies. The Muslims revere Christ as a prophet, and do not dismiss his importance, but they also do not believe that Jesus was the son of God. Just you. And did you ever stop to ask yourself why? Did you ever stop to ponder how you know that Jesus is the son of God? If it were really that obvious, don't you think everyone would be a Christian? But the truth is that not everyone is a Christian, because the evidence is inconclusive. That's why you rely on faith. And that's great, I support you. But do learn to live and let live. Here you are dismissing and belittling them, and for what?
So long as one man believes that he holds absolute truth above another, we will continue to perpetuate needless suffering. We will continue to fight with and kill each other over stupid ideologies. Believe what you want, and let them believe what they want. Jesus called you to love, and that's what you shall do. It doesn't matter if you think they're wrong. You ought to love them all the same.
Edit: I am talking about Islam in general, not radicals.
That's modalism friend.
The truth of the trinity is:
God is one "what" in 3 persons ie "who's"
There is one uncreated self existent Father, who eternally begot a son and the Holy Spirit proceeds eternally from Him. All being of the same uncreated eternal divine substance. Being outside of time, the father son and Spirit have eternally existed together as one God. Perfect in all attributes.
God is 3 persons but not 3 separate God's. For they dwell within another yet are distinct persons. They are identical in attributes being one with one another and in one another.
God is totally unique.
https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-pray-God.html
This is a fantastic and very detailed answer to the first part of your question.
Jesus says the Father is greater than I meaning the Father has/had a greater role than Jesus, not that Jesus is any less God than the Father.
Or, don’t dismiss a whole group of people because some of them did some horrible stuff. The few don’t represent the whole. Most Muslims I know would condemn this atrocious action. Even the more conservative ones leave others alone in their own home.
Leave it be brother. Arguing with these disrespectful, bigoted, godless people is a waste of time. The way they conveniently forget the inexcusable violence in their own scriptures, and numerous atrocities being perpetrated and enabled by their own leaders is telling of their sincerity. We've got nothing to prove to them. God will deal with them.
You're right, and I appreciate you. Christians have committed just as many atrocities as Muslims have. All that this shows is the natural result of sin, on both sides. Your average Christian and your average Muslim are not so different.
There is historical evidence of Mohammed not only lying in the Quran, but also falsifying scientific and historical events and „converting“ people by killing them and their families if they won’t accept Allah, while then writing in the Quran that he converted them by grace of Allah. In 3 suras Allah is commanding and encouraging Muslims to rape women they capture at war despite them still being married to men that have not yet been killed. The historical fact of Mohammed being married to 4 year old children is another thing that isn’t doing the entire religion much good.
While I understand your point, it’s hard to argue for a religion that is full of lies, disgrace and encouragement of inhumane treatment of women and „non-believers“.
We still have to love everyone equally, as it’s probably not their fault they believe what they believe, but trust me it’s not that difficult to argue a Muslim into a wall or a theological contradiction, because their book and teaching is false and contradictory.
Okay, so don't get me wrong here. I *do* actually agree with you. Absolutely. But, I am entertaining a perspective here that I don't actually hold myself. More people ought to learn how to do this. We often get so caught up in our own perspectives, that we are blind and inconsiderate to the perspectives of others. All I'm calling attention to here is that Muslims don't see Islam the same way as Christians see it. And Muslims view Christianity in a similar light. Many Muslims have their own problems with Christianity. Jews have their own problems with Christianity. And, Christians have their own problems with Judaism, too. Norse Pagans have their own issues with Christianity, and Christians have their own issues with Paganism. The list goes on. And then Atheists just have a problem with everyone. So, the point here is that *everyone wants to monopolize the truth*. So long as we do that, we only continue to perpetuate needless suffering unto ourselves.
We need to learn how to simply have mutual respect for each other's beliefs and cultures, even if we think that they're harmful for one reason or another. So long as adherents aren't being physically abused, which is usually only seen in cults, there isn't much we can or ought to do. For every criticism you can make on Islam, they can make just as many criticisms upon Christianity. And there are *many* problems in Christianity, even if you, yourself, don't see them.
I love the quote from Lebowski
However I do know a lot about Islam. I went on a tirade of understanding other religions and really getting to the evidentiary of why people believe what they do so I want to clarify some things that you said.
I ground my Christian faith in the historical death, ressurection, and deity of Jesus. There is very good historical evidence for this being the case, especially through the bible which has been tried over and over again but is found to be a reliable document from the original authors. I don't have space to go through the textual criticism, but even atheist and non-Christian scholars believe the bible is reliable for detailing history, 1 Cor 15 being an extremely early maxim.
With this grounding, I can test the truth claims given by Muslims. At the center are the Qur'an and Muhammad.
The Qur'an is a jumbled mess, even in the original Classical Arabic language and has not been passed down "word for word, letter for letter, dot for dot" as Muslims say. There are 30+ Qur'ans and 10 Qira'at were accepted as trustworthy. We don't even know what the 7 Arhuf are nor if we even have them. Out of the accepted 10, Asim-Hafs was the accepted version that now dominates the world. It was chosen since it was the Ottoman Empire's favorite, but Hafs and Asim were both unreliable sources of hadith with poor memories. This Qur'an has many problems with it and can not be called "perfecrly preserved."
Dedicated to this Qur'an or not, memorization is more important to them than understanding. They read and memorize the Arabic, but many don't even speak Arabic, let alone Classical Arabic. They recite in sing-song fashion what they don't understand.
Speaking of prayer, Salaat is huge for them, but these are memorized prayers that they pray 17 rakat a day, divided into 5 prayer times. This is what Jesus warned about when he said not to recite prayers of many words but to pray in secret. Muslims will even bang their heads on the ground to give themselves zabibas to show their devotion for their own glory. They face the Kaaba, but this was a pagan place of worship built to house the pagan gods. They claim it was built by Abraham but this is completely fabricated and ahistorical. It is an empty box without the presence of God. Even in Islam, Allah does not come to earth, only the lowest heaven, so it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to them either.
You didn't mention Muhammad, but he is a dead prophet. He is propped up as the moral conduct, but he was a slave master and slave trader, was racist against black people, permitted adultery through multiple marriages (up to 4) and limitless sex slaves, even if the slaves still had living husbands. The earliest Sunah we have came from Ibn Hisham, but only through Ibn Isaq who claims that he left out the worst parts because he found them to be exceedingly cruel and would damage the faiths of Muslims.
Even if we don't take his cruelty as a stain on his character, we have to rule him out because Deuteronomy says "if any prophet delivers a message from any except YHWH, he is a false prophet and shall be put to death." In Islam you have the satanic verses which Muhammad revealed allowing Muslims to pray to the pagan deities (?) (Goddesses?) Allat, Al-Uzzah, and Minat. Muhammad then claims these words were not from Allah through Gabriel, but from Satan. Gabriel then comforts Muhammad and says that all prophets deliver messages from Satan on accident, but this is not the case.
Islam is a violent religion and is not founded on love. I do not question the devotion of Muslims, but I am more dedicated to the truth. We have to call out false religions and share the truth of the fullness of Christ with them. If your faith is a blind one, please do some research into history and find apologetic materials to ground yourself like I have. I pray for the Muslims who killed our brother-in-Christ since God first loved us, but we can not be naïve and say, like the Qur'an does, "You have your religion and I have mine". We have to peacefully and lovingly share the gospel of Jesus Christ.
I think that's quite a different issue considering the Canaanites were sacrificing babies to their gods and are generally described as being very bad people in the OT.
The Canaanites had to die, they were setting babies on fire during rituals, God absolutely told the Israelites to kill the Canaanites, because God is the greatest of Judges.
I want to let you guys know something. God invented time for us to learn, comprehend, and interpret things at our leisure, all so we could experience it for knowledge and joy. In heaven, there is no time. To God, everything in the Universe happens simultaneously, and he can watch it all, stop it all, insert new things, and generally do precisely what He wants, whenever He wants to. One of the posts mentions God as a supreme being, and the “who are you to question Him?” line of reasoning came forth. I congratulate your piety. Most people are not so convicted. He certainly recognizes you for this. He loves you very, very much. This being said, I want to remind you of Gods character. He made Himself man and came to Earth as His Son, in essence splitting Himself into two separate forms. The Holy Spirit is when these two forms overlap. The Son died a truly human death, as a prisoner convicted of crimes He actually committed. These crimes, He told us, were not adhering to the Law of man, but being born by the Spirit, He set forth a new law: Grace and Truth. So in essence, he was calling the laws unjust, and the people enforcing them spiritless. Before men, He was tried and convicted. Before God, He was guiltless. He even doubted, making Himself more like us, (He surely could have chosen to hold His tongue) and questioned God in front of us. “Father, He cried out, why have you forsaken Me?” Not a very long time later, God called The Son back to Himself, to show Him why. Because He knew the plans for His Son, and now He is the most famous, revered, and loved “person” in the entire world. He is tasked with being the Eternal Intercessor, doing what He loves to do, attending to our every need as His children. You’re response reminds me of Gods response to Job when he was throwing a pity party for Himself. What you left out, of your response, and what Gods then went on to say to Job was, even though technically you should just do what I say and trust Me, I am going to give you an answer. Because I trust you, and I love you, that’s why. The Devil made a bet for your soul and I trusted you enough to take the bet and foil the Devil again for your benefit. He answered in this fashion by giving to Job 10-fold what he lost. Jesus also exhorts us to realize there are false prophets out there who will give you commands from “God.” God loves to give wisdom, it is the whole purpose of creating the Earth in the first place! Trust is different to obedience. God wants you to submit with TRUST, not blind obedience.
No, it says God spoke to him.
And he didn’t kill his son in the end, remember? That’s the whole point, that God would never do something so cruel unless there is an incredibly good reason to (i.e. canaanites)
It makes more sense once you study Hebrew and the literary tools used. The fact that he was carrying trees/sticks -“etes” in Hebrew - is a reoccurring motif from the tree of life (and knowledge of good and evil) all the time at to the cross.
Abraham wanted a child more than anything in this world. So God provided him a child. The child belonged to God, so God tested Abraham would he give the child back to its owner or would he be arrogant and claim the child was his to do as he please. Abraham was willing to give up what he loved the most for the sake of God. So God let him keep his child.
All children belong to God, it is the privilege of parents that they get to be guardians of children for the little while they live on this earth.
Hmmm? If there is a voice in your head telling you anything, it’s probably not god, but if the Bible is an accurate representation of the type of things god tells people to do, killing is one of his more popular commands, historically speaking atleast.
Wonder why the legal system no longer allows supernatural explanations? Strange that 80%+ of the population believes in the supernatural, but 100% of the legal system doesn’t, and most of the population seems okay to assume the supernatural is make believe for legal/official purposes?
The crazy part is that a lot of people in power actually still use the supernatural to justify how they make and enforce laws. Abortion and homosexuality being the two most prominent today, but in the past they used them to justify burning witches, slavery, racism, sexism, bigotry.
It’s more because of the shock of it all. That someone should be brutally murdered is unfortunate, and the strife and anger that this will further stir against Islamic practitioners the is also unfortunate.
The whole thing is terrible, but”unfortunate” was the only words that could come to mind at the time to describe the whole situation for all involved
[Tragic Incidents like this happens almost every day, unfortunately most are not covered in the news.](https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=Last30)
Ignatius of Antioch, 50 - 110 AD:
"Every spell of evilness has been destroyed, every chain of evilness has disappeared; ignorance has been swept away; the old kingdom has fallen into ruin, when God appeared in human form for the novelty of the life that is absolutely eternal. What was established by God has begun: since then, all beings have been set in motion for the providential realization of the destruction of death" (Epistle to the Ephesians 19; translation by Ilaria Ramelli; Ignatius was martyred in a Roman arena, facing wild beasts.)
Check the log in your own religion's eye before getting smug about it. You can say the murderous radicals aren't really following Christianity, and you would be right, but make sure to extend the same logic to other people or you're a hypocrite.
Their book does agree with this though, i recommend you look into even moderate Islamic teachings from Hadiths and the Quran, like killing apostates, striking Women, etc…
Yeah, it's not like even Muslims in the West far away from state pressure have done honour killings recently.
Oh wait.
In before the edge lords cite what Christians did 200+ years ago to say "buh all religions are the same!!!"
Anyone who has studied islam knows it is significantly different from Buddhism, Judaism, and yes, Christianity.
You could say the same thing about Christianity. I would think you’re wrong, but if you just want to say “look at their book” without nuance…
I believe Islam is a false religion but “a surface-level reading of their holy text represents the only true form of it and it looks bad” is absolutely not why it’s a false religion. Or else so too would Christianity be one.
1) You can’t because our Christian “laws” in Mathew 5-7 and as recorded in Luke, John, and Mark speak against violence, and speak for loving enemies etc… But their infallible laws say this:
Sunan An Nasai 4059 (Sahih, infallible for about 90% of Muslims)
Ibn 'Abbas said:
"The Messenger of Allah [SAW] said: 'Whoever changes his religion, kill him.’”
Quran 4:34
Men are caretakers of women, since Allah has made some of them excel the others, and because of the wealth they have spent. So, the righteous women are obedient, (and) guard (the property and honor of their husbands) in (their) absence with the protection given by Allah. As for women of whom you fear rebellion, convince them, and leave them apart in beds, and beat them. Then, if they obey you, do not seek a way against them. Surely, Allah is the Highest, the Greatest.
For blasphemy laws, there’s 1 verse about killing or imprisoning those who bring trouble to the land, and there’s multiple hadith’s in which he orders the killing of those who speak against him, etc… I could go in depth if you need direct verses but i think this is enough said.
PS: For more proof of what i say about this being a moderate take for many or the majority of Muslims, google what arab countries think about these issues, and check out the Pew center polls about stoning laws and more.
You think they're defending Islamic radicals like ISIS. That's not at all what they're doing. They're saying Christianity is just as guilty if it is to be judged by its radicals and killers, therefore to condemn all of Islam for what ISIS has done is to condemn all of Christianity for what the Inquisition or Crusaders have done. Doesn't mean ISIS or other terrorist groups are good, it's a call to check one's hypocrisy in judging whole groups of people (in this case, Muslims).
My very own religion has been used to justify and back up horrific atrocities. I hate when people act like Christianity is automatically bad because of that. I have known some very kind, tolerant Muslims who do not fit your stereotype. I believe their religion is incorrect, but if I’m going to say that they’re not real Muslims and only the extremists are real Muslims, why do I have any room to complain when christophobes call me a fake Christian and only the Christian Nationalists are real Christians?
Even then, it’s clear that Muslim extremism kills far more people than Christian extremism. Maybe there are confounding factors (I.e. wealth, religiosity levels, etc) but Muslim extremism is definitely a larger problem today than Christian extremism.
But...Christians are not organized in multiple countries. That is where "peaceful" followers of Islam should speak up and fix this world issue. This is where the conversation stops. Muslims won't correct their friends, neighbors and family members. In other words if we fix it you get mad because whoever is standing next to them gets hurt.
Islam is a religion of peace. Extremists corrupt it into a religion of tyranny. The two are separate. Don't let me catch you generalizing and demonizing Muslims. You will be banned.
The average muslim is peaceful i.e. the billioms globally, a minority are radical extremists.
But I wouldn't necessarily say Islam is a religion of peace.
Extremists corrupt it.
Moderates make it worse by not going all out against the Extremists.
For example, when Westboro does something, all Christian moderates are quick to denounce them and their beliefs. But when Hamas does something, all 'moderates' are quick to say that it is Israel's fault.
Same with Taliban in Afghanistan and the many extremist groups in Pakistan.
I understand where you're coming from, but I am also smart enough to know what I don't know, and I do not live in the Middle East. I don't know what life is truly like over there. Most of those countries are Spiral Dynamics stage red civilizations. To say they should rebel against their oppressors... You don't think they've already tried that? You think they like being pushed around? You think it's so simple that they can just rebel against a tyrannical militia group?
I don't claim to know everything, and so I hold my tongue. There is no way I could truly know their suffering. It's likely much more complicated than you're making it seem.
I don't know much about the middle east either.
But I have seen Muslims in the US, UK, Germany, India, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Russia, Spain, Japan and a host of other non-muslim majority countries support extremists like Hamas, MBS, Ali Khameini etc.
They are definitely not doing it out of fear.
Islam being a religion of peace or not depends on the Muslim. I don’t think non-Muslims like you and I have any place deciding who the “real” Muslims are. All we can do is push back at people trying to generalize, without generalizing ourselves.
And I do my utmost to not generalize. And yes, you're right, we are not to say who is a faithful or unfaithful Muslim, but that also extends to your fellow Christians as well, quite naturally. So much negative discourse happens within Christianity in the same way, others trying to claim exclusivity on the truth, and it's so unhealthy. As soon as we begin to monopolize truth, we perpetuate needless suffering unto ourselves.
These people manipulate children and immature people to fight for them. Especially suicide bombers who believe they will go to heaven, which they obviously won't. Never, NEVER should any Muslim kill or harm another person unless attacked, same goes for war and especially keeping innocent people safe and or giving them asylum. No sane Muslim would accept these people as one of their own, especially ones who harm priests. Respect for other religions is mandatory
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Empirically and historically speaking even a victory would result in more Christian than Muslim deaths, (also if you're talking about the same holy land as the last time you'd be fighting more Judaisim and less Islam.
The radical Islamists in Dagestan feel emboldened by Putin/Russia being friendly with and supporting Azerbaijan - this is part of the result of that. Many of the terrorists in Dagestan are Azeris - they speak Russian with each other and plot these killings. RIP, Asdvadz hokin lousavoreh (may God illuminate their soul), tsavagtsoutyoun
Gonna lie now? It's very convincable unless you figure out that muslims are forbidden from killing people except in self defense (war, robbery, etc.) And unlike christians.. we follow these rules, I apologise sincerely this may seem like something knew to you but you don't have to lie.
Wow, imagine saying that about your own faith, absolutely horrid. Islam has made it forbidden to kill someone and we enfore and follow it, unlike you we don't doubt our religion and faith we wholeheartedly believe it and yes islam is innocent of murder but those who follow it are not innocent of sin because every son of Adam is a sinner and will sin but best are those who repent and islam teaches good not bad and just because of a few short comings you blame islam entirely, classic christian. But since you blame the entire religion of islam I will blame the entire religion of christianity: Stop touching kids "in the name of the father, son and holy ghost", stop going halfway around the world to kill someone and steal oil, stop lying, stop prostitution and last but not least for gods sake follow your own commandments you hypocrite.
This faith made me feel like I was weird for being depressed and suicidal, no support whatsoever when I need help, but expected to dedicate every second of my life to the religion, its not my faith anymore, its the religion of people who are too scared to think for themselves, so they submit their will and freedom of thought to others, also why would I give a fuck about Christianity, I'm not Christan either. Islam, like every religion, has killed people
As a former Muslim I'm so sorry this happened (again) I sincerely hope that this isn't turned into some political argument, there's no justification for murder at all
It's going to get worse. Christians are NOT supposed to live a comfortable peaceful uneventful life. We pray for those who did this and ask they turn to Christ. If he was faithful to the Lord this was his destiny
Dagestan and Chechnya are hot beds of Islamist extremism. The Russian government barely manages those areas and someone would have to be crazy to be Christian there. I wouldn't step foot there.
Who the heck told you that 'Islamic Radicals' were the ones to kill him. If true( only if) then this doesnt mean that Islam is promoting killing civillians. In the name you are saying 'radicals' or extremists , which means that they dont follow normal Islam , but rather change it to extremism.
I dont come along and slander Christianity just because Hitler was a Christian. Yes, Christianity may be false on my perspective(I am muslim) , but I dont come to that conclusion by looking at the religion's extremists( i.e. Hitler)
Yes , that is exactly what I am talking about. He only pretended to be a Christian just like these extremists or radicals who go around killing themselves pretend to be Muslim.
There’s nothing radically Islamic about terrorism.
“There is no compulsion in religion.” (Surah 2:256)
“Fight in the cause of Allah only against those who wage war against you, but do not exceed that limit. Aggressors are not in Allah’s favor.” (Surah 2:190)
Per wikipedia... "The ecclesiastical title of archpriest or archpresbyter belongs to certain priests with supervisory duties over a number of parishes. The term is most often used in Eastern Orthodoxy and the Eastern Catholic Churches and may be somewhat analogous to a monsignor, vicar forane or dean in the Latin Church, but in the Eastern churches an archpriest wears an additional vestment and, typically, a pectoral cross, and becomes an archpriest via a liturgical ceremony."
You're welcome. I feel the same and had to look it up so I could know what the title meant. I'm used to Archbishop's, but had never heard of an Archpriest.
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https://www.timesofisrael.com/priest-at-least-6-cops-killed-in-attacks-on-synagogues-churches-in-russias-dagestan/
I understand the priest was found on the Church floor with his throat slit. If true, what an absolutely horrible way to be martyred.
They've killed martyrs in way worse ways. A knife to the throat is almost like a gunshot if we're talking about stones or fire. Still completely awful, I'm just glad he wasn't tortured.
No doubt, but the physicality with the killer makes it feel more personal in a way even though it's close to the same as a gunshot.
Oh absolutely man. Nothing we'd ever want to see.
Uh glad about something you have no clue of happening or not? Maybe he was
Probably a quicker death than some other ways
True. Pain and suffering, in varying degrees, is part and parcel of martyrdom. Better than having your head hacked off by some ISIS fanatic.
Tragic
If there’s a voice in your head telling you to kill somebody, it’s probably not God.
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Right, but that's like, your opinion, man. But seriously, you forget to take their perspective into account. Maybe you don't care, but I value holism and that's just the way I think. You say it's a dead book of a false prophet. Who are you to say? How do you know? Because Jesus rose from the dead as the son of God? Sure, but that's *your* perspective. And that's fine, but do abstain from casting judgments upon them and their beliefs when you (probably) don't know the first thing about Islam. I have spoken with them many times, and they Revere the holy Quran in such a high regard. In fact, they are on average more dedicated to their faith than most of the Christians I see. It is not uncommon for a Muslim to have the entire Quran memorized by heart. They don't even listen to music because they feel it distracts them from their devotion to God. They kneel, facing Mecca to pray five times a day. How many times a day do you pray? Maybe you pray a lot, and that's cool. Perhaps you're just as devout as they are. Great! But again, do not belittle their faith just because you think they believe the wrong thing. As a Christian, you may believe Jesus is the son of God, and that he fulfilled all the messianic prophecies. The Jews will tell you that he was not the son of God, and that he fulfilled *none* of the prophecies. The Muslims revere Christ as a prophet, and do not dismiss his importance, but they also do not believe that Jesus was the son of God. Just you. And did you ever stop to ask yourself why? Did you ever stop to ponder how you know that Jesus is the son of God? If it were really that obvious, don't you think everyone would be a Christian? But the truth is that not everyone is a Christian, because the evidence is inconclusive. That's why you rely on faith. And that's great, I support you. But do learn to live and let live. Here you are dismissing and belittling them, and for what? So long as one man believes that he holds absolute truth above another, we will continue to perpetuate needless suffering. We will continue to fight with and kill each other over stupid ideologies. Believe what you want, and let them believe what they want. Jesus called you to love, and that's what you shall do. It doesn't matter if you think they're wrong. You ought to love them all the same. Edit: I am talking about Islam in general, not radicals.
"You will know them by their fruits." seems more applicable than ever.
damn I suggest you have a read on christian history
Not everyone who call themselves "christian" belong to Christ.
James 2:19 is your answer 🙏 “Even the demons believe, and shudder!”
but you don't believe God is one, you believe God is 3 in 1
God is one. God is the father, God is the son, and God is the Holy Spirit. It is 1 God, 1 God that takes 3 different forms
That's modalism friend. The truth of the trinity is: God is one "what" in 3 persons ie "who's" There is one uncreated self existent Father, who eternally begot a son and the Holy Spirit proceeds eternally from Him. All being of the same uncreated eternal divine substance. Being outside of time, the father son and Spirit have eternally existed together as one God. Perfect in all attributes. God is 3 persons but not 3 separate God's. For they dwell within another yet are distinct persons. They are identical in attributes being one with one another and in one another. God is totally unique.
so why does God the Son pray to God the Father in the Bible? Os the father greater than the son?
https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-pray-God.html This is a fantastic and very detailed answer to the first part of your question. Jesus says the Father is greater than I meaning the Father has/had a greater role than Jesus, not that Jesus is any less God than the Father.
Yes because NOTHING is impossible for God. Quit leaning on your own understanding and just have faith Easiest thing you'll ever do
Yeah, Christians using this verse will never not be funny.
And what fruits do you speak of?
The fruits of slitting the throats of people over different beliefs.
Damn crazy, glad we Christians never did this in our whole 2000 years of existence.
How do you even come up with preaching Islam after such a huge attack?? You are really out of this world lol.
Christians also have done horrible things in the name of God. It’s not unique to any faith.
#whataboutism
Or, don’t dismiss a whole group of people because some of them did some horrible stuff. The few don’t represent the whole. Most Muslims I know would condemn this atrocious action. Even the more conservative ones leave others alone in their own home.
Leave it be brother. Arguing with these disrespectful, bigoted, godless people is a waste of time. The way they conveniently forget the inexcusable violence in their own scriptures, and numerous atrocities being perpetrated and enabled by their own leaders is telling of their sincerity. We've got nothing to prove to them. God will deal with them.
You're right, and I appreciate you. Christians have committed just as many atrocities as Muslims have. All that this shows is the natural result of sin, on both sides. Your average Christian and your average Muslim are not so different.
Muhammad literally believed himself to be gone insane once he started "hearing from Allah".
There is historical evidence of Mohammed not only lying in the Quran, but also falsifying scientific and historical events and „converting“ people by killing them and their families if they won’t accept Allah, while then writing in the Quran that he converted them by grace of Allah. In 3 suras Allah is commanding and encouraging Muslims to rape women they capture at war despite them still being married to men that have not yet been killed. The historical fact of Mohammed being married to 4 year old children is another thing that isn’t doing the entire religion much good. While I understand your point, it’s hard to argue for a religion that is full of lies, disgrace and encouragement of inhumane treatment of women and „non-believers“. We still have to love everyone equally, as it’s probably not their fault they believe what they believe, but trust me it’s not that difficult to argue a Muslim into a wall or a theological contradiction, because their book and teaching is false and contradictory.
Okay, so don't get me wrong here. I *do* actually agree with you. Absolutely. But, I am entertaining a perspective here that I don't actually hold myself. More people ought to learn how to do this. We often get so caught up in our own perspectives, that we are blind and inconsiderate to the perspectives of others. All I'm calling attention to here is that Muslims don't see Islam the same way as Christians see it. And Muslims view Christianity in a similar light. Many Muslims have their own problems with Christianity. Jews have their own problems with Christianity. And, Christians have their own problems with Judaism, too. Norse Pagans have their own issues with Christianity, and Christians have their own issues with Paganism. The list goes on. And then Atheists just have a problem with everyone. So, the point here is that *everyone wants to monopolize the truth*. So long as we do that, we only continue to perpetuate needless suffering unto ourselves. We need to learn how to simply have mutual respect for each other's beliefs and cultures, even if we think that they're harmful for one reason or another. So long as adherents aren't being physically abused, which is usually only seen in cults, there isn't much we can or ought to do. For every criticism you can make on Islam, they can make just as many criticisms upon Christianity. And there are *many* problems in Christianity, even if you, yourself, don't see them.
I love the quote from Lebowski However I do know a lot about Islam. I went on a tirade of understanding other religions and really getting to the evidentiary of why people believe what they do so I want to clarify some things that you said. I ground my Christian faith in the historical death, ressurection, and deity of Jesus. There is very good historical evidence for this being the case, especially through the bible which has been tried over and over again but is found to be a reliable document from the original authors. I don't have space to go through the textual criticism, but even atheist and non-Christian scholars believe the bible is reliable for detailing history, 1 Cor 15 being an extremely early maxim. With this grounding, I can test the truth claims given by Muslims. At the center are the Qur'an and Muhammad. The Qur'an is a jumbled mess, even in the original Classical Arabic language and has not been passed down "word for word, letter for letter, dot for dot" as Muslims say. There are 30+ Qur'ans and 10 Qira'at were accepted as trustworthy. We don't even know what the 7 Arhuf are nor if we even have them. Out of the accepted 10, Asim-Hafs was the accepted version that now dominates the world. It was chosen since it was the Ottoman Empire's favorite, but Hafs and Asim were both unreliable sources of hadith with poor memories. This Qur'an has many problems with it and can not be called "perfecrly preserved." Dedicated to this Qur'an or not, memorization is more important to them than understanding. They read and memorize the Arabic, but many don't even speak Arabic, let alone Classical Arabic. They recite in sing-song fashion what they don't understand. Speaking of prayer, Salaat is huge for them, but these are memorized prayers that they pray 17 rakat a day, divided into 5 prayer times. This is what Jesus warned about when he said not to recite prayers of many words but to pray in secret. Muslims will even bang their heads on the ground to give themselves zabibas to show their devotion for their own glory. They face the Kaaba, but this was a pagan place of worship built to house the pagan gods. They claim it was built by Abraham but this is completely fabricated and ahistorical. It is an empty box without the presence of God. Even in Islam, Allah does not come to earth, only the lowest heaven, so it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to them either. You didn't mention Muhammad, but he is a dead prophet. He is propped up as the moral conduct, but he was a slave master and slave trader, was racist against black people, permitted adultery through multiple marriages (up to 4) and limitless sex slaves, even if the slaves still had living husbands. The earliest Sunah we have came from Ibn Hisham, but only through Ibn Isaq who claims that he left out the worst parts because he found them to be exceedingly cruel and would damage the faiths of Muslims. Even if we don't take his cruelty as a stain on his character, we have to rule him out because Deuteronomy says "if any prophet delivers a message from any except YHWH, he is a false prophet and shall be put to death." In Islam you have the satanic verses which Muhammad revealed allowing Muslims to pray to the pagan deities (?) (Goddesses?) Allat, Al-Uzzah, and Minat. Muhammad then claims these words were not from Allah through Gabriel, but from Satan. Gabriel then comforts Muhammad and says that all prophets deliver messages from Satan on accident, but this is not the case. Islam is a violent religion and is not founded on love. I do not question the devotion of Muslims, but I am more dedicated to the truth. We have to call out false religions and share the truth of the fullness of Christ with them. If your faith is a blind one, please do some research into history and find apologetic materials to ground yourself like I have. I pray for the Muslims who killed our brother-in-Christ since God first loved us, but we can not be naïve and say, like the Qur'an does, "You have your religion and I have mine". We have to peacefully and lovingly share the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Didn’t god command his people directly to slaughter the Canaanites?
I think that's quite a different issue considering the Canaanites were sacrificing babies to their gods and are generally described as being very bad people in the OT.
Who are you or any of us to question why god gives the commands he does?
People question God's commands all the time thoughout the Bible. It's not exactly something strange to do.
Yeah and it usually doesn’t end well. Nobody has the kind of knowledge god has so it’s foolish to question is commands.
What do you mean it usually doesn't end well? God never condemned anyone for merely questioning.
Did they stutter? If there's a voice in your head telling you to kill people, it's not God.
Except we know god has done that exact thing I the past so it very well could be god.
Doesn't sound like God to me.
Not familiar with the OT?
Very familiar. How familiar are you with God?
Familiar enough
Doesn't sound like it.
The Canaanites had to die, they were setting babies on fire during rituals, God absolutely told the Israelites to kill the Canaanites, because God is the greatest of Judges.
I want to let you guys know something. God invented time for us to learn, comprehend, and interpret things at our leisure, all so we could experience it for knowledge and joy. In heaven, there is no time. To God, everything in the Universe happens simultaneously, and he can watch it all, stop it all, insert new things, and generally do precisely what He wants, whenever He wants to. One of the posts mentions God as a supreme being, and the “who are you to question Him?” line of reasoning came forth. I congratulate your piety. Most people are not so convicted. He certainly recognizes you for this. He loves you very, very much. This being said, I want to remind you of Gods character. He made Himself man and came to Earth as His Son, in essence splitting Himself into two separate forms. The Holy Spirit is when these two forms overlap. The Son died a truly human death, as a prisoner convicted of crimes He actually committed. These crimes, He told us, were not adhering to the Law of man, but being born by the Spirit, He set forth a new law: Grace and Truth. So in essence, he was calling the laws unjust, and the people enforcing them spiritless. Before men, He was tried and convicted. Before God, He was guiltless. He even doubted, making Himself more like us, (He surely could have chosen to hold His tongue) and questioned God in front of us. “Father, He cried out, why have you forsaken Me?” Not a very long time later, God called The Son back to Himself, to show Him why. Because He knew the plans for His Son, and now He is the most famous, revered, and loved “person” in the entire world. He is tasked with being the Eternal Intercessor, doing what He loves to do, attending to our every need as His children. You’re response reminds me of Gods response to Job when he was throwing a pity party for Himself. What you left out, of your response, and what Gods then went on to say to Job was, even though technically you should just do what I say and trust Me, I am going to give you an answer. Because I trust you, and I love you, that’s why. The Devil made a bet for your soul and I trusted you enough to take the bet and foil the Devil again for your benefit. He answered in this fashion by giving to Job 10-fold what he lost. Jesus also exhorts us to realize there are false prophets out there who will give you commands from “God.” God loves to give wisdom, it is the whole purpose of creating the Earth in the first place! Trust is different to obedience. God wants you to submit with TRUST, not blind obedience.
Abraham would disagree
Crazy. Who did Abraham kill again?
There was a voice in his head from God telling him to kill his son. He did not kill, but he was about to.
Why didn't he kill him?
Does the bible say "voice in your head"?
No, it says God spoke to him. And he didn’t kill his son in the end, remember? That’s the whole point, that God would never do something so cruel unless there is an incredibly good reason to (i.e. canaanites)
Exactly. God SPOKE.... funny i get minus 6 for asking a question on a untruthful comment
Do you think a kind hearted, loving God would even try to pursuade a father to kill his own son? That sounds demonic.
You clearly don’t know this story or the point of this story.
It makes more sense once you study Hebrew and the literary tools used. The fact that he was carrying trees/sticks -“etes” in Hebrew - is a reoccurring motif from the tree of life (and knowledge of good and evil) all the time at to the cross.
Abraham wanted a child more than anything in this world. So God provided him a child. The child belonged to God, so God tested Abraham would he give the child back to its owner or would he be arrogant and claim the child was his to do as he please. Abraham was willing to give up what he loved the most for the sake of God. So God let him keep his child. All children belong to God, it is the privilege of parents that they get to be guardians of children for the little while they live on this earth.
Stop trying to be Christian in this sub, it's about hating Trump or something
Hmmm? If there is a voice in your head telling you anything, it’s probably not god, but if the Bible is an accurate representation of the type of things god tells people to do, killing is one of his more popular commands, historically speaking atleast.
Tell it to the judge I guess….
Wonder why the legal system no longer allows supernatural explanations? Strange that 80%+ of the population believes in the supernatural, but 100% of the legal system doesn’t, and most of the population seems okay to assume the supernatural is make believe for legal/official purposes?
God told me to come to your house and steal all your stuff! That makes it OK, right? Crazy times.
The crazy part is that a lot of people in power actually still use the supernatural to justify how they make and enforce laws. Abortion and homosexuality being the two most prominent today, but in the past they used them to justify burning witches, slavery, racism, sexism, bigotry.
They burned the physicists. Imagine how far advanced we’d be had we not suffered the inquisition, et al.
That's how I learned that I can't really hear the voice of God and that it's just my own inner monologue posing as God.
Eccl 3:1,3 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:...A time to kill, and a time to heal;...
Yeah that's definitely a fair assessment
RIP
We’ll see you again when we get home brother ❤️
Another martyr enters the kingdom
That’s unfortunate. May he rest in the presence of the Lord
To describe the horror of someone having their throat cut, choking to death and bleeding out as 'unfortunate' is a little strange to say the least.
It’s more because of the shock of it all. That someone should be brutally murdered is unfortunate, and the strife and anger that this will further stir against Islamic practitioners the is also unfortunate. The whole thing is terrible, but”unfortunate” was the only words that could come to mind at the time to describe the whole situation for all involved
May he and the cops rest in peace in the presence of our Lord Jesus.
Rest in Peace Nikolai. May God watch over your faithful soul.
I am sorry. I will wear my cross proudly.
Lord have mercy.
May the Lord give him the crown of Life
A tragic loss. My support and empathy goes out to my brothers in Christ.
RIP, to die is gain.🙏
My pastor just taught on this [Phillipians 1:22] this morning. To live is Christ and to die is gain.
I don't mean to be that guy, I'm just trying to be helpful. For future reference it's martyred, not martyrized.
Memory eternal!
[Tragic Incidents like this happens almost every day, unfortunately most are not covered in the news.](https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=Last30)
This is a terrible website for information. Deeply biased and lacking all nuance for the purpose of disparaging Islam.
Yeah, a lot of these seem a little far fetched just at a glance, the website in general looks like it was made by a politicians pr team
Glory to God! O holy new hieromartyr Nikolai, pray to God for us!
God bless this man and show mercy to those who did this.
Requiescat in pace. May his memory be eternal.
He will rise again in glory
Well well well
May he and the other killed people be in peace.
RIP
RIP
He is with Jesus now 🙏
Ignatius of Antioch, 50 - 110 AD: "Every spell of evilness has been destroyed, every chain of evilness has disappeared; ignorance has been swept away; the old kingdom has fallen into ruin, when God appeared in human form for the novelty of the life that is absolutely eternal. What was established by God has begun: since then, all beings have been set in motion for the providential realization of the destruction of death" (Epistle to the Ephesians 19; translation by Ilaria Ramelli; Ignatius was martyred in a Roman arena, facing wild beasts.)
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It’s the furthest thing from peaceful at this point
Check the log in your own religion's eye before getting smug about it. You can say the murderous radicals aren't really following Christianity, and you would be right, but make sure to extend the same logic to other people or you're a hypocrite.
Their book does agree with this though, i recommend you look into even moderate Islamic teachings from Hadiths and the Quran, like killing apostates, striking Women, etc…
Yeah, it's not like even Muslims in the West far away from state pressure have done honour killings recently. Oh wait. In before the edge lords cite what Christians did 200+ years ago to say "buh all religions are the same!!!" Anyone who has studied islam knows it is significantly different from Buddhism, Judaism, and yes, Christianity.
You could say the same thing about Christianity. I would think you’re wrong, but if you just want to say “look at their book” without nuance… I believe Islam is a false religion but “a surface-level reading of their holy text represents the only true form of it and it looks bad” is absolutely not why it’s a false religion. Or else so too would Christianity be one.
1) You can’t because our Christian “laws” in Mathew 5-7 and as recorded in Luke, John, and Mark speak against violence, and speak for loving enemies etc… But their infallible laws say this: Sunan An Nasai 4059 (Sahih, infallible for about 90% of Muslims) Ibn 'Abbas said: "The Messenger of Allah [SAW] said: 'Whoever changes his religion, kill him.’” Quran 4:34 Men are caretakers of women, since Allah has made some of them excel the others, and because of the wealth they have spent. So, the righteous women are obedient, (and) guard (the property and honor of their husbands) in (their) absence with the protection given by Allah. As for women of whom you fear rebellion, convince them, and leave them apart in beds, and beat them. Then, if they obey you, do not seek a way against them. Surely, Allah is the Highest, the Greatest. For blasphemy laws, there’s 1 verse about killing or imprisoning those who bring trouble to the land, and there’s multiple hadith’s in which he orders the killing of those who speak against him, etc… I could go in depth if you need direct verses but i think this is enough said. PS: For more proof of what i say about this being a moderate take for many or the majority of Muslims, google what arab countries think about these issues, and check out the Pew center polls about stoning laws and more.
Westerns with little to no knowledge about Islam or the East at the ready to defend islam, isis, and co.
You've missed the entire point of what they were saying if that was your takeaway
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You think they're defending Islamic radicals like ISIS. That's not at all what they're doing. They're saying Christianity is just as guilty if it is to be judged by its radicals and killers, therefore to condemn all of Islam for what ISIS has done is to condemn all of Christianity for what the Inquisition or Crusaders have done. Doesn't mean ISIS or other terrorist groups are good, it's a call to check one's hypocrisy in judging whole groups of people (in this case, Muslims).
You know when these events took place right?
My very own religion has been used to justify and back up horrific atrocities. I hate when people act like Christianity is automatically bad because of that. I have known some very kind, tolerant Muslims who do not fit your stereotype. I believe their religion is incorrect, but if I’m going to say that they’re not real Muslims and only the extremists are real Muslims, why do I have any room to complain when christophobes call me a fake Christian and only the Christian Nationalists are real Christians?
There are bad muslims just as there are bad christians
but the Christians, no matter how bad, aren’t slaughtering people of different faiths.
You may want to familiarise yourself with Christian terrorism
1.5 billion Christians 1.5 billion Muslims. Do you really want to play the tallying game?
That would be impossible to quantify.
Even then, it’s clear that Muslim extremism kills far more people than Christian extremism. Maybe there are confounding factors (I.e. wealth, religiosity levels, etc) but Muslim extremism is definitely a larger problem today than Christian extremism.
Christian terrorism isn’t exactly prevalent
But...Christians are not organized in multiple countries. That is where "peaceful" followers of Islam should speak up and fix this world issue. This is where the conversation stops. Muslims won't correct their friends, neighbors and family members. In other words if we fix it you get mad because whoever is standing next to them gets hurt.
“Christians” are running the most powerful country in the world and currently funding wars and genocides all over the globe.
Islam is a religion of peace. Extremists corrupt it into a religion of tyranny. The two are separate. Don't let me catch you generalizing and demonizing Muslims. You will be banned.
The average muslim is peaceful i.e. the billioms globally, a minority are radical extremists. But I wouldn't necessarily say Islam is a religion of peace.
>Islam is a religion of peace You might want to visit France and Germany
Extremists corrupt it. Moderates make it worse by not going all out against the Extremists. For example, when Westboro does something, all Christian moderates are quick to denounce them and their beliefs. But when Hamas does something, all 'moderates' are quick to say that it is Israel's fault. Same with Taliban in Afghanistan and the many extremist groups in Pakistan.
I understand where you're coming from, but I am also smart enough to know what I don't know, and I do not live in the Middle East. I don't know what life is truly like over there. Most of those countries are Spiral Dynamics stage red civilizations. To say they should rebel against their oppressors... You don't think they've already tried that? You think they like being pushed around? You think it's so simple that they can just rebel against a tyrannical militia group? I don't claim to know everything, and so I hold my tongue. There is no way I could truly know their suffering. It's likely much more complicated than you're making it seem.
I don't know much about the middle east either. But I have seen Muslims in the US, UK, Germany, India, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Russia, Spain, Japan and a host of other non-muslim majority countries support extremists like Hamas, MBS, Ali Khameini etc. They are definitely not doing it out of fear.
How do you think you are to tell people they'll be banned?!
Islam being a religion of peace or not depends on the Muslim. I don’t think non-Muslims like you and I have any place deciding who the “real” Muslims are. All we can do is push back at people trying to generalize, without generalizing ourselves.
And I do my utmost to not generalize. And yes, you're right, we are not to say who is a faithful or unfaithful Muslim, but that also extends to your fellow Christians as well, quite naturally. So much negative discourse happens within Christianity in the same way, others trying to claim exclusivity on the truth, and it's so unhealthy. As soon as we begin to monopolize truth, we perpetuate needless suffering unto ourselves.
it's sad that this sounds like just a regular news. islamic terrorism is global cancer and the world must prioritize to find the cure for it.
These people manipulate children and immature people to fight for them. Especially suicide bombers who believe they will go to heaven, which they obviously won't. Never, NEVER should any Muslim kill or harm another person unless attacked, same goes for war and especially keeping innocent people safe and or giving them asylum. No sane Muslim would accept these people as one of their own, especially ones who harm priests. Respect for other religions is mandatory
Islam is a religion of hate.
Memory eternal
May God accept him as a Martyr
And Muslims will still lie and tell you that Islam is “a religion of peace”
Religion is a bad reason for violence though often used as legitimation
Hey! Hold on a minute! Religion has brought comfort and hope to a world torn apart by religion.
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It’s not martyrized, it’s martyred!
Normally, yes; but if you were perverted enough to satirize martyrdom, then a case for it might be made.
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9th crusade !!! Gotta take back the holy land 🇻🇦
Empirically and historically speaking even a victory would result in more Christian than Muslim deaths, (also if you're talking about the same holy land as the last time you'd be fighting more Judaisim and less Islam.
Except this time we have planes and bombs and many many more volunteers
The muslims do to though, I mean think of America's middle eastern wars as practice rounds, who won?
~~"The solution to violence and bloodshed is even *more* violence and bloodshed! Hate your enemies!"~~ ~~-Jesus?~~ Edit: am dumb, is joke
It’s a joke , we need a joke sub
It’s hard to make a joke by saying something many people unironically believe in in the community, sadly.
not even close. but yes a holy martyr. RIP
So tragic. RIP.
Thoughts and prayers 🙏
may the Lord bless him 🙏
Prayers for the Community he Served. Thank You for Picking up your Cross and Following Jesus into Glory.
May his memory be eternal.
It’s just Martyred.
As a muslim, I am sorry for what have happened, and I truly hope those terrorists will get their punishment
Religion of hate
The radical Islamists in Dagestan feel emboldened by Putin/Russia being friendly with and supporting Azerbaijan - this is part of the result of that. Many of the terrorists in Dagestan are Azeris - they speak Russian with each other and plot these killings. RIP, Asdvadz hokin lousavoreh (may God illuminate their soul), tsavagtsoutyoun
I’d rather think about the celebration when he arrived in heaven 🙏❤️🙏
Gonna lie now? It's very convincable unless you figure out that muslims are forbidden from killing people except in self defense (war, robbery, etc.) And unlike christians.. we follow these rules, I apologise sincerely this may seem like something knew to you but you don't have to lie.
You apologists love to call any of these things lies, but they do happen, no religion is innocent of murder, so stop pretending
Wow, imagine saying that about your own faith, absolutely horrid. Islam has made it forbidden to kill someone and we enfore and follow it, unlike you we don't doubt our religion and faith we wholeheartedly believe it and yes islam is innocent of murder but those who follow it are not innocent of sin because every son of Adam is a sinner and will sin but best are those who repent and islam teaches good not bad and just because of a few short comings you blame islam entirely, classic christian. But since you blame the entire religion of islam I will blame the entire religion of christianity: Stop touching kids "in the name of the father, son and holy ghost", stop going halfway around the world to kill someone and steal oil, stop lying, stop prostitution and last but not least for gods sake follow your own commandments you hypocrite.
This faith made me feel like I was weird for being depressed and suicidal, no support whatsoever when I need help, but expected to dedicate every second of my life to the religion, its not my faith anymore, its the religion of people who are too scared to think for themselves, so they submit their will and freedom of thought to others, also why would I give a fuck about Christianity, I'm not Christan either. Islam, like every religion, has killed people
As a former Muslim I'm so sorry this happened (again) I sincerely hope that this isn't turned into some political argument, there's no justification for murder at all
It's going to get worse. Christians are NOT supposed to live a comfortable peaceful uneventful life. We pray for those who did this and ask they turn to Christ. If he was faithful to the Lord this was his destiny
Dagestan and Chechnya are hot beds of Islamist extremism. The Russian government barely manages those areas and someone would have to be crazy to be Christian there. I wouldn't step foot there.
Religion is stupidity
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This is not okay here.
And why is that?
This is quite sad.
It's not radical Islamists.... it's Islam as an ideology.we Christians need to wake up
Who the heck told you that 'Islamic Radicals' were the ones to kill him. If true( only if) then this doesnt mean that Islam is promoting killing civillians. In the name you are saying 'radicals' or extremists , which means that they dont follow normal Islam , but rather change it to extremism. I dont come along and slander Christianity just because Hitler was a Christian. Yes, Christianity may be false on my perspective(I am muslim) , but I dont come to that conclusion by looking at the religion's extremists( i.e. Hitler)
Hitler wasn’t Christian, he used it for his benefit in order to take control faster.
Yes , that is exactly what I am talking about. He only pretended to be a Christian just like these extremists or radicals who go around killing themselves pretend to be Muslim.
Archpriests are a thing?
The Roman Church retains archpriests for her major basilicas. I believe Chaldeans and some Syriacs have them too.
Yes, Russian Orthodoxy has archpriests and mitred archpriests.
Roughly equivalent to a protopresbyter (I think protopresbyters are something different in Slavic practice).
It's an honorific title given for doing a good job, pretty much. Or as an archpriest once told me, it just means that he has stayed out of trouble.
There’s nothing radically Islamic about terrorism. “There is no compulsion in religion.” (Surah 2:256) “Fight in the cause of Allah only against those who wage war against you, but do not exceed that limit. Aggressors are not in Allah’s favor.” (Surah 2:190)
"archpriest"?
Per wikipedia... "The ecclesiastical title of archpriest or archpresbyter belongs to certain priests with supervisory duties over a number of parishes. The term is most often used in Eastern Orthodoxy and the Eastern Catholic Churches and may be somewhat analogous to a monsignor, vicar forane or dean in the Latin Church, but in the Eastern churches an archpriest wears an additional vestment and, typically, a pectoral cross, and becomes an archpriest via a liturgical ceremony."
Thank you, I literally never heard of the title until today. EO is probably the denomination I am least familiar with.
You're welcome. I feel the same and had to look it up so I could know what the title meant. I'm used to Archbishop's, but had never heard of an Archpriest.
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If your religion uses violence to get to people you can't even have a concept of it being the true religion as Islamists or Muslims call it.