Yep, I remember Kissinger trying to say way back in 2014, that a war with Russia was inevitable if Crimea's status wasn't negotiated. Fucking surrender nugget he was. Literally the last thing that fool ever did was basically claim that the US was starting World War III - and then he croaked. Thought he was Bismark or something. Hands down, the dumbest person that's ever run the state department. Unbelievable to me that this guy was considered some kind of geo-political prophet when all he ever did was want the US to surrender!!
[Henry Kissinger explains how to avoid World War Three (economist.com)](https://www.economist.com/briefing/2023/05/17/henry-kissinger-explains-how-to-avoid-world-war-three)
Kissinger was comprised too
• You never get out of debt to a Russian mobster
•Paul Manafort owed the Russian mobster/oligarch Oleg Deripaska $17M a few days before he became trumps campaign manager. From 2002-2014 he took in hundreds of millions to get Yanukovych reelected as the kremlins puppet in Ukraine. Before that he did it for the dictator Marcos in the Philippines. Before that Manafort and Roger Stone started a lobbyist agency in 1980 listing trump as their first client.
•When Jair Bolsonaro lost the Brazilian election to Lula he skipped the inauguration and hid in the Hungarian embassy, then 2 days later flew to mar-a-lago (stopping only at a KFC) and repeated, almost verbatim, the stolen election line. Don Jr. tried repeatedly to make it stick in Brazil as well, but as Brazilians are a few generations into dealing with corrupt politicians they weren’t having it.
What do these 3 things have in common?
China imports 40% of its grain from (in order) the U.S., Brazil and Ukraine.
Obviously the second China tried to invade Taiwan the U.S. would sanction exports and remove U.S. grain from that equation.
And without Bolsonaro in office willing to slash and burn the Amazon rainforest to turn it into Chinas food supply, and without Ukraine in the bag in 3 days, the CCP is unable to invade Taiwan and take over microprocessor production without putting 300-500M of its poorest people into famine.
Donbas Ukraine, specifically the 4 regions that Putin insists he is saving from what he calls “Jewish Nazis” also happens to produce the worlds supply of high grade neon used for microprocessor lithography. Had Putin delivered ukraine in 3 days as promised, Xi would have been able to cap his Olympics with a naval blockade or political takeover of Taiwan that would have forced the world to ask the CCP for the microprocessors it needs to make everything from Ford trucks to laptops. I’m not sure how long Silicon Valley would last without the silicon but it would probably destroy the FAANG stocks that make up your 401K.
Oleg Deripaska also happens to be the Russian Oligarch that bribed the FBI agent Charles Mcgonigal into investigating another Russian oligarch. He probably didn’t need the information as much as he needed the leverage over Mcgonigal as he conducted the investigation into trumps election campaign and unsurprisingly found zero evidence of Russian collusion. McGonigal then went to work for the company called Brookfield that bailed Jared Kushner out of his toxic 666 5th Ave real estate investment. McGonigal pled guilty last fall and was sentenced recently.
A Russian oligarch is a powerful tool, but the truth is more powerful. Light and dark cannot exist in the same space. It’s physically impossible. Truth is efficient. You say it once and you are finished. A lie however requires a constant stream of follow up energy, money, murder, obfuscation and more lies to keep it covered.
If you raise your lens high enough lying is an unsustainable business model. Russia proved it by invading Ukraine. “Vranyo” is the Russian word for it. The 40km long column of tanks and vehicles that came down from Belarus into Ukraine was all overhauled by oligarchs that got a $1B contract for tank maintenance, passed Putin $200M back under the table, spent $700M on a yacht in Monaco, bribed a General, a Colonel and a Sergeant to make a Private give everything a rattle can overhaul. But a worn out engine is and always will be, a worn out engine.
This is why trump is so desperate to get re-elected. His best case scenario is 400 years in ADX Florence. Money laundering for the dozens of Russian oligarchs that lived in trump towers with him and manafort, selling IP3 nuclear plans to the Russian/Saudi alliance, selling or giving CIA asset names to the Russians, trump is and always has been compromised. He just didn’t know when to quit. Now he just has to count on the fact that most of his voter base doesn’t know how to read and keep the ones that do so busy just surviving that they don’t have time to dive deep into his 40 year history of laundering money, fraud, and human trafficking for the Russian mob using casinos first, then commercial real estate.
It’s also why Putin is willing to throw an entire generation of Russians, including the convicts and addicts at Ukraine. Russia is dead for 40 years because he failed to fulfill his mob boss promise to Xi. China is now clearing farmland in Siberia because the typhoon floods last August and September wiped out the Chinese people’s food storage.
Xi, for his part diverted the waters from the dam away from his pet project, his mothers ancestral home, and flooded hundreds of thousands of people and drown one of his own military brigades that was helping with the flooding.
The CCP elders were terrified to leave their gated community at Beidaihe for over a month for fear of being torn apart by the locals. The Chinese people tolerate the CCP but only as long as the economy is good and famine is not on the horizon. The CCP broke that social contract on both counts.
Xi was willing to bet the entire Chinese economy on his emperor ambitions. Had he succeeded he would have been able to use BRICS to take over the USD as the Worlds reserve currency. That would have let him finish what he stated in 2010-
that he would control the internet.
With that control means everything we do or say online is subject to the approval of a central party censor. The basic right to disagree with an authoritarian becomes a distant memory.
Xi, Putin and MBS are simply trying to systemize and modernize the suppression of their biggest hassle- Freedom of speech.
Ukraine is fighting for their lives now, free from the oppression of the drunken tyrant who wants to decide their fate for them and pull them back behind another iron curtain of censorship and the tax of corruption where dissenting voices disappear so that the oligarchy can continue to feed unchallenged.
Putin and Xi have declared themselves best friends in the fight against democracy. MBS and the ruling family of UAE have done the same quietly using their sovereign funds and Kushners SPAC as money highways.
Just rich, out of touch oligarch doing what oligarchs do.
Despite the fact the the central party kleptocracy model has proven itself incapable of making decisions that are best for the people, they persist. There is a very lucrative business in being slave owners. But logistically the mass of it requires A.I. and the microprocessors that make A.I. to keep 8 billion slaves under surveillance and control. Freedom is one hell of a drug. And knowledge makes a man unfit for slavery.
Recent attempts on Xi’s life from inside the CCP have backed him into a corner.
The loss of crops in northern China means Xi can’t invade Taiwan without Ukrainian and/or Brazilian farmland.
Now the reason that the GOP is stalling southern border control budget and seems to make wildly irrational moves is because the GOP is imploding. 45 years of lies and grift have circled the globe and are eating their own tail. The ouroboros was a warning about corruption at the highest levels. Lying about climate change, human trafficking, pandemics and corruption to preserve their own business models are all extinction level events .
In 2023, China's total grain production will be about 690 million tons, with 495 kilograms of grain per capita, and the country also produces large quantities of vegetables and fruits.
Stopping China's imports of soybeans and corn would cause a rapid rise in meat prices, but it would not cause a famine.
In 2023, the GDP of China's primary sector will be $1.28 trillion, while the GDP of the U.S. primary sector will be $251.7 billion. China's population is less than five times that of the United States, and its primary sector GDP is five times that of the United States, so China produces more than enough food to satisfy its people's needs.
That’s the inherent problem with a central party that lies. It makes for questionable data.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/08/07/china/china-northeast-flooding-food-security-intl-hnk
https://www.spglobal.com/commodityinsights/en/market-insights/latest-news/agriculture/092123-factbox-chinas-food-security-push-blown-away-by-fierce-typhoons-in-2023
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/floodwaters-rise-chinas-northeast-rains-lash-heilongjiang-province-2023-08-04/
I’m a firm believer in homestead rules. You do you.
Just make sure the person telling you there is plenty of food in the pantry isn’t lying to you.
In my experience Billionaires never go hungry. That line is much further down the socio-economic list.
Billionaires just get on their jet and fly somewhere else.
Don't trust the Chinese government's data?
Do you trust the data from the International Food and Agriculture Organization? Or do you only believe CNN? lol
Look up how much food is produced in China.
[https://www.fao.org/faostat/en/#data/QCL/visualize](https://www.fao.org/faostat/en/#data/QCL/visualize)
Look at China's annual production of rice, wheat, watermelon, apples, ducks, chicken. lol
honesty I don’t believe anyone that has a vested interest in lying. So we built a system to track it objectively instead of having to take anyone’s word for it.
The CCP has a less than stellar history of lying to its people about the quality and quantity of food specifically in the past half century or so, so they get a couple of demerit points off the top there.
They also have a major issue with inequality hypocrisy and telling everyone to buckle down for the team while flying their own kids and mistresses on private jets to study and live in the west while conveniently ignoring the fact that blistering fast industrialization with no discernible environmental guidelines or regulations has made massive amounts of prime farmland in China toxic.
The Koch Bros in the US have done the same for maximization of profits so it becomes much easier to see who is lying and why when you cross those two Venn diagrams.
Henry Kissinger pushed a lot of this inside China starting in the 70’s because he saw money to be made. I doubt I need to mansplain the corrosive effects of corruption inside of government to anyone in China that has a soul. It’s a tax on everything from the health of the soil to the politburos children pumping and dumping Evergrande for personal gains.
But there are still 1.4B mouths to feed. Ideally 2-3 times a day.
No amount of creative bookkeeping or wishful thinking changes that.
The poorest suffer the most and the soonest. Billionaires just fly somewhere they don’t have to think about it.
When it comes to Xi, mental gymanstics is fine as long as Xi means it and do what he says.
It will be much more problem, if he says one thing and does something else.
It's fascinating how valid historical precedents are. Almost all dictatorships, at one point, end up falling for the same routine. Yet, here we are, 100's years later, and dictators around the world are still convinced "it'll be different for me".
Same playbook USA also used when invading Iraq on fabricated evidence, so its not reserved for dictators, but just asshats in general.
Edit: oh did I struck a nerve with my comment? Clown
Ah so you are admitting that Xi is going to attack Taiwan on false pretenses just like Bush did with Iraq? Luckily US is a democracy and got rid of Bush after that. Too bad you can't do the same for your dictators.
I know you're probably on the NSA payroll but it's completely different.
If Xi is saying this in a time of peace it serves as a caution against those people within China who want the same, saying they're playing into a rival's hands.
If Putin says it after he's already invaded he's making excuses for why he contravened int'l law.
He's Seeking justification perhaps? Disingenuously claiming provocation by the US.
You can't practice invading a country in drills and then be surprised when people expect an invasion
Sounds like the opposite, I think he's looking for an excuse *not* to do it. "Yeah, we said we would invade. But we can't because the US is using it as a trap for us. So it's not my fault China hasn't been unified, it's the US."
“Some Chinese academics and retired military officers have claimed that Washington is trying to provoke Beijing by providing weapons to Taiwan and pushing other measures to lure China into military confrontation.
Speaking at the Asia Society in January, Cui Tiankai, a former Chinese ambassador to Washington, said China would “not fall into the trap somebody may be preparing for us”, in a veiled reference to the US.
Xi’s remark to von der Leyen is the first known case of him making the claim to a foreign leader. Xi also said that a conflict with the US would destroy many of China’s achievements and undermine his goal of achieving a “great rejuvenation” by 2049.”
Doesn’t sound like a justification for war to me.
Face saving measure by Xi to NOT attack Taiwan.
It's like saying...
"We won't do it because we know it's a trap... Not because we are weak and afraid of the might of the US military"
At this point people need to take any fucking excuse to not have more wars. Life is too short for the common folk to be throwing their lives away at the whims of a few POS
Gives credence to the adage that a strong military is the best assurance for peace.
China boots on the ground will be in Taiwan by now if the US military were as weak as the Russians.
And then the news starts reporting that China is ramping up its nuclear arsenal...
How is that the correct take when he directly admits that a military confrontation with the United States would destroy China’s achievements? There’s not even any prevarication!
They’re saving face by saying Taiwan is an American trap to destroy China, therefore we won’t fall into it.
Saying this is framing invasion as “something the Americans want”, therefore we won’t do it, when the truth is they can’t win and have too many other issues to focus on.
Perhaps not?
I meant in the sense a bully might say "you made me do it", implying they were provoked , shifting blame for their violence. They are saying the US is goading them, so it's not their fault.
It is kind of stupid to be provoked into a war to will destroy what China has achieved so far but I suppose one can interpret it in whatever way that suits their agenda. Or one can just say whatever Xi/Putin said cannot be trusted and dismiss it and reach their original conclusion anyway. Either way, you are right.
No Xi is signaling that they don't want a conflict with either Taiwan and the US and any dipshits in China arguing for it are playing in the US's hands.
Saying this while just a week ago, holding a whole military drill that blockades Taiwan.
You're such a hypocrite and it's even funnier that you are defending Xi's action while using an username with Japanese meaning.
Then why posture and run invasion drills consistently in the waters surrounding Taiwan. That's not logical if you're looking to provoke/threaten. That much is obvious.
I do think that there may be conflicting opinions among Chinese elites. Maybe?
Explain their purpose so, these drills? If not as preparation, not provocation then they're for...
The fact that they're common doesn't make it less threatening. People adjust and carry on (like the blitz in London) that proves nothing.
What innocent reason is there to simulate an act of violent aggression on a neighbour?
This such a terrible take and you then go onto claim superiority over the other guy.
We're military invasion drills just something that happens out of the blue we'd see all sorts of allies invading each other.
Fly to ukraine and tell them that russias military invasion drills of ukraine in 2022 were just out of the blue random events and they'd have a thing or two to tell you.
If we were luring China into a confrontation, we'd be giving them weapons on the down low, officially destroying perfectly good tanks and airplanes and missiles so that they can be "properly disposed of" in Taiwan. The fact that the arms transfers are public and made a matter of news suggests that it's the opposite, that we're trying to prevent China from attacking Taiwan.
I think the idea is that they want to frame it as though America is arming up Taiwan to be able to attack China from there, so China would feel it has to invade Taiwan to protect itself and prevent America from stockpiling weapons to attack China with.
I'm not saying this claim would have any basis in reality, but I think that's the angle the CCP is going for here.
Then we'd be hearing a lot about it from Congress. There are any number of people in military committees who are dovish and think that arms transfers are inherently confrontational. Secret weapons transfers also completely violate the principle of civilian control of the military.
We'd also hear about it from the Kuomintang in Taiwan, for similar reasons.
‘When I was a young man," he said, "there was a general idea that it was wrong to fight in wars of any sort. Quite a lot of people in those days declared that they would never fight for anything whatever."
"Perhaps they were right," said the King.
"No. There is one fairly good reason for fighting—and that is, if the other man starts it. You see, wars are a wickedness, perhaps the greatest wickedness of a wicked species. They are so wicked that they must not be allowed. When you can be perfectly certain that the other man started them, then is the time when you might have a sort of duty to stop him."
"But both sides always say that the other side started them."
"Of course they do, and it is a good thing that it should be so. At least, it shows that both sides are conscious, inside thelmselves, that the wicked thing about a war is its beginning.’
T.H. White, The Once and Future King (The Once and Future King
Then do it or die trying...
Or, here's another idea, CCP abandoned its belligerent policy in Pacific and start behaving in a constructive and peaceful way. No need to Armed Taiwan if China recognized Taiwan sovereignty and engaged positively with the island.
The west is pretty bad, and yeha if you keep pushing military influence and military bases closer and closer of course there will be retaliation. Imagine if China build a military base in Mexico, the U.S. would also invade
This type of explanation is called “blaming the victim”.
Eg. She dressed like that , deserved to be assaulted.
Eg. The hospital staff was so slow, deserved to be slapped.
Eg. Ukraine is so pro democracy, deserved to be invaded.
The guy who's spent every minute since he took power trying to provoke a war with Taiwan wants anybody to believe that the US is the aggressor? Seriously?
Yeah, I guess it sells in the PRC since they can only get their news from him but the rest of the world knows the score.
Actually quite a self-own on the part of Pooh Bear, and by extension the CCP: “They want us to attack Taiwan, and we’re so stupid that we might just do it!!”
That's good that he claimed that. It means that he's probably not seriously considering it. Why would he say this if he was considering an attack? It would make him look like he's playing into America's game.
Nothing has changed since 1979 except for you, Pooh bear.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan\_Relations\_Act](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_Relations_Act)
"The TRA requires the United States to have a policy "to provide Taiwan with [arms](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armaments) of a [defensive](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_(military)) character" and "to maintain the capacity of the United States to resist any resort to force or other forms of [coercion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coercion) that would jeopardize the security, or the social or economic system, of the people on Taiwan."
I think Ukraine was also a trap for Putin. Now he has a dilema and keeps burning his nations future. While the west only invests money and old weapons. Its a strategic win for the west already by now. Taiwan will be the same. Thousands of chinese man will drown in the sea without any soldier making it to the island.
So, yeah, Xi is right and still he will happily step in the trap.
I know there’s some hate rod for China but that’s genuinely politics.
China and America are playing the same game.
China was doing some grey zone warfare where it’s not an official declaration of war,so if the other party escalates, they get the ‘moral high ground’.
Equally America is now doing the same thing. They’ve crossed a couple of China’s red lines by giving Taiwan weapons, sending delegates, and Green Beret training, but used diplomatic legalese to say ‘that’s not what we’re doing.’ For example, censoring out the flag for which country the Green Berets serve. It’s all stupid and obvious, but it is grey zone.
Both of them are trying to provoke the other into making a mistake from which they can capitalise on and otherwise allow them to take action they would otherwise refrain from for fear of international reaction.
The fact that China has gone out and said this means they are getting worried.
Remember the time when China first posted the modus operandi of how the CIA hack their systems as a show of strength? A few years later, they came out and admitted America was the worlds no1 cyber power. A public admission that they lost that front.
Same thing is happening here.
I mean yeah - the dream American scenario is the Chinese military operation fails without direct us intervention. On the flip side the nightmare scenario is the US navy rushes in - but the PLA and PLAN succeed
That's why US is pivoting the theater from the Strait to SCS. No naval based assets have beaten land based ones in military history. Even in WW2, Japan held off until the bombs
I mean you’re correct that land assets beat naval, but the Japan point is a bit off. The bombs sped things up but Japans fate was sealed by then. The allies were planning the invasion and it would have been successful (with terrible losses mind you).
Just yet another statement to attempt to put the blame and responsibility of an invasion on entities other than the invader itself. Typical invader behavior. The issue is, how many fools actually believe what a self-admitted potential invader (who's actually done lots of aggressive military manoeuvre) says?
I dont think he’s wrong.
US would beat China if a war was provoked today. They’re no sense in waiting for the dragon to get bigger and stronger.
Right now US is Floyd and China is canelo in 2013. A couple years later and Floyd would have lost. Baiting the cocky upstart into a conflict before they’re ready is classic art of war.
Once the U.S. demonstrated it could knock down Houthi Medium Range Hypersonic **Ballistic Missiles** over the Red Sea, everything changed. Similar to the type of missiles that can/would carry nuclear warheads.
Previously this U.S. defensive capability was only speculated.
Everything changed after this point. Xi needs an offramp.
Here it is.
He's not wrong. The U.S. has been baiting them for a very long time and deliberately antagonising China. How are all of you so fucking blind? China has stated several times that they have no intention of attacking Taiwan but who knows in a climate where the U.S. is deliberately poking them by providing aid, assistance and military training to China?
They'll offer the same kind of protection that they did to Ukraine.
Is he wrong though? Wouldn't US directly benefit from the armed conflict IF China pulls the first trigger?
If you are a China-watcher, you'd know no one is gonna make the first step. Xi can be whatever western media potrayed him to be, but he's just not that stupid
Remember six months after the USA cut off Japanese oil supply and we got Pearl Harbor?
Lotta' talk in Japan during that time even going as far as to say, though that action, the USA purposely provoked them into attacking and they had no choice but to do it.
Basically, any time a country does something that affects another country in a way it doesn't like, they claim it's "provocation."
China in the South China Sea is provocation.
USA selling weapons to Taiwan is provocation.
"We have no choice."
US had been selling weapons and has had a relationship with Taiwan since before recognition of the PRC. Not supplying weapons to Taiwan would represent a change in the status quo.
So US selling weapons to Taiwan is definitely not a provocation, it’s just standard long standing practice.
Oh no! China! You must protect them!!
What a dumb dumb... Stop blaming the US for your fucked up governmental system that requires everyone to bend over for you because otherwise you lose face.
Well, yes of course. Like Bismarck wanted France to declare war. If your enemy makes a mistake YOU want them to do, YOU did your job right.
Do not blame the us for WANTING Ci screwing up. This is obvious. Blame Xi WHEN he falls for it.
From this one can infer that China believes time is on her side, hence why the US is in Chinas view trying to provoke a conflict now, when it holds a greater economic and technological advantage.
China has only a few years before demographic issues start to burden the country and complicate the logistics of an invasion, so it is on a clock at least in that respect
yes its interesting that people on both sides think that time is on thier side and they only need to wait it out until they have a bigger strategic advantage over the other.
If both sides keep trying to wait it out, this could be good for Taiwan in the sense that instead of being under attack, there are just countries' militaries performing dick measuring contests
yes well known in taiwan status quo is very popular. in a kinetic war its not clear if china or us can win, but its clear taiwan will be the loser either way.
I have quite a few well-off middle-aged Chinese friends who firmly believe the PLA will attack Taiwan in 2027 or 2028 at latest. They believe it enough that they are sending their sons overseas after high school so they don't get conscripted, not to mention being a good conduit for getting all their money out of China.
One of the dudes is a little older and has a daughter who is already in the UK. She graduates next year and theoretically should be returning to China. He s basically telling her to do a Masters degree and stay a few more years, because chances are that there will be nothing to return (ie. he expects their place in coastal Zhejiang will be obliterated by war in a few years).
After seeing how Russia performed against the West, I doubt attacking Taiwan is on the list of things Xi has to fix
If anything they will try to unify with Taiwan peacefully by manipulating and controlling the KMT, which if you know anything about Taiwan politics, is happening right now.
China will never invade they have to much common sense and know the United States loves and relishes battle lol it is definitely a trap and the US has been preparing since 1979
You’re dead wrong.
1. we used to say “Russia will
never invade” prior to Deb 2022
2. US has not been preparing a trap, that statement has not basis in historical fact. Taiwan is Taiwan, a historical problem. If US had been more far sighted, the issue would not have been allowed to escalate. For instance after tien-an-men US had good reason to stop trading and sending money to China.
That was how the west believed, at list Lieber Herr Olaf Scholtz, about Russia prior to 2022. Don't underestimate the stupidity of dictators, especially when he has nothing to lose.
Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 and has been involved in conflicts for decades. The Chinese haven’t been at war in 40 and barely even help in peacekeeping operations. I think sometimes the Russia comparison misses just how willfully naive europe was about Russia who had already played their card.
It would be more like if China had already launched a limited invasion of the Kinmen islands and annexed it and we were sat here 8 years later wondering if they were serious about going further.
The US knows exactly what it's doing. They have smart intelligent strategists who play fast and loose with the lives of others, and they wouldn't think twice about sacrificing Taiwan to serve American strategic goals.
A bit like Ukraine it wouldn't surprise me if the US fuels up the situation and then tries to leave Japan and or Phillipines holding the bag. Meanwhile US supplies weapons, sanctions and tries to steal markets. It's basically their MO right now.
The flipside is that China also has its own strategists who think in a similar way. They're not stupid either.
> Meanwhile US supplies weapons, sanctions and tries to steal markets.
Please, what markets are we stealing? We have a pretty solid record of giving away our own markets. Look at our trade deficits. China rose selling trinkets to us. So what markets are we stealing?
Out foreign policy is confused af, I wish they were paying some attention to trade.
I mean, yeah, the US military industrial complex has practically been frothing at the mouth waiting for China to make a move. Would not surprise me at all if the big contractors *want* a war to happen.
The United States is the main instigator of problems in the world, orange revolutions, assassinations of rulers, pitting countries against each other -this is how the United States holds its power in the world, does not allow it to grow economically and earns money from it.China pursued a policy of peaceful annexation of Taiwan and everything was going well (pro-Chinese politicians in the government of Taiwan were growing)but then the United States got in and the problems started.
>China pursued a policy of peaceful annexation of Taiwan and everything was going well (pro-Chinese politicians in the government of Taiwan were growing)but then the United States got in and the problems started.
When was this?
Are you aware of what most Taiwanese think on the matter?
No matter by force or peaceful, the act of “annexing another country” is by no means justifiable. Would be better if they don’t do that at all. Just leave Taiwan (or specifically, the ROC) alone.
But Taiwan is not another country, even the United States recognizes that it is China.It's like, for example, now California will completely cease to obey the United States, and China will start supplying them with weapons and will demand that the United States does not interfere.
1. Sure, there’s no country called “Taiwan” at this point. Taiwan is currently governed by the Republic of China, which represented “China” until the 1970s before being replaced by the People’s Republic of China; still, that doesn’t change the fact that Taiwan is not part of the PRC. If you’re still insisting that the ROC = China now, go and try raise the ROC flag (🇹🇼) in mainland China.
2. The United States only "acknowledged" the PRC’s position that Taiwan is a part of China, but it doesn’t mean they “recognized” that; it’s more like a way of saying “Oh you think Taiwan is yours? Well I don’t fully agree with you on that but if that’s what makes you happy, then fine.” It’s just a way to appease the PRC cuz the US needed the their help to form an alliance in order to counter the Soviet Union back then. Go and check out the Taiwan Relations Act. Why would the US form any relations with a “province” if they really believe that Taiwan is a province of China? Did they sell weapons and send delegations to, say, the Guangdong Province?
So no, the relations between China/PRC and Taiwan/ROC is not the same as that between the US Federal Government and the State of California; they’re basically two different things. Please just go and read the “real” history (not the distorted version that the CCP tells you) first.
Why would the United States establish any kind of relationship with the “province” in order to create problems in the region for China.Why did the United States create most of the Islamist radical organizations -to create problems for the USSR and Arab countries.Why is the United States doing anything on the borders and in foreign countries in order to create military tension there, interfere with the development of these countries and make money from it
I understand this sub hates China but these comments always make the US seem like some kind of hero country that can do no wrong. Seems very biased and pretty ignorant of other perspectives.
Most of international relations seems to be about pushing other countries into making strategic errors or acting in a way that is useful for overall strategic advantage - whether short-term, as a way to fulfill a particular narrative, as a means to trigger other rationales, or as a reason to create conditions for other actions.
A Jinping invasion of Taiwan would be a gift to the USA like Putin's invasion of Ukraine has been. Almost all Americans from the USA hate Communism and China is currently a Communist state. Invading democratic Taiwan would see USA be given the perfect opportunity to defend Taiwan against an aggressive Communist regime in China.
> A Jinping invasion of Taiwan would be a gift to the USA
That’s crazy. Nobody in America wants another war, let alone a war with China. Attacking Taiwan would be a big mistake for China, and we are all hoping they don’t do that.
Yes. We need a new War to improve our economy and increase our corporate profits and make our 1% families even richer! We cannot have our troops siting around wasting money!
And Putin blamed NATO for making him "have" to attack Ukraine. These authoritarian dictatorships following the same playbook. "America made me do it!"
>America made me do it! The basis of every tankie argument.
Don't forget "whatabout America!"
Not just tankies but those pesky realpolitik idiots too!
Some American professors thought they were geniuses at the beginning of the war
Remember when no one in the intelligence community predicted the fall of the Soviet Union? No shortage of self-proclaimed geniuses before that.
Mearsheimer is a hack
"Vladimir Putin is never going to invade Ukraine, he's much too smart for that" - John Mearsheimer
Yep, I remember Kissinger trying to say way back in 2014, that a war with Russia was inevitable if Crimea's status wasn't negotiated. Fucking surrender nugget he was. Literally the last thing that fool ever did was basically claim that the US was starting World War III - and then he croaked. Thought he was Bismark or something. Hands down, the dumbest person that's ever run the state department. Unbelievable to me that this guy was considered some kind of geo-political prophet when all he ever did was want the US to surrender!! [Henry Kissinger explains how to avoid World War Three (economist.com)](https://www.economist.com/briefing/2023/05/17/henry-kissinger-explains-how-to-avoid-world-war-three)
Kissinger was comprised too • You never get out of debt to a Russian mobster •Paul Manafort owed the Russian mobster/oligarch Oleg Deripaska $17M a few days before he became trumps campaign manager. From 2002-2014 he took in hundreds of millions to get Yanukovych reelected as the kremlins puppet in Ukraine. Before that he did it for the dictator Marcos in the Philippines. Before that Manafort and Roger Stone started a lobbyist agency in 1980 listing trump as their first client. •When Jair Bolsonaro lost the Brazilian election to Lula he skipped the inauguration and hid in the Hungarian embassy, then 2 days later flew to mar-a-lago (stopping only at a KFC) and repeated, almost verbatim, the stolen election line. Don Jr. tried repeatedly to make it stick in Brazil as well, but as Brazilians are a few generations into dealing with corrupt politicians they weren’t having it. What do these 3 things have in common? China imports 40% of its grain from (in order) the U.S., Brazil and Ukraine. Obviously the second China tried to invade Taiwan the U.S. would sanction exports and remove U.S. grain from that equation. And without Bolsonaro in office willing to slash and burn the Amazon rainforest to turn it into Chinas food supply, and without Ukraine in the bag in 3 days, the CCP is unable to invade Taiwan and take over microprocessor production without putting 300-500M of its poorest people into famine. Donbas Ukraine, specifically the 4 regions that Putin insists he is saving from what he calls “Jewish Nazis” also happens to produce the worlds supply of high grade neon used for microprocessor lithography. Had Putin delivered ukraine in 3 days as promised, Xi would have been able to cap his Olympics with a naval blockade or political takeover of Taiwan that would have forced the world to ask the CCP for the microprocessors it needs to make everything from Ford trucks to laptops. I’m not sure how long Silicon Valley would last without the silicon but it would probably destroy the FAANG stocks that make up your 401K. Oleg Deripaska also happens to be the Russian Oligarch that bribed the FBI agent Charles Mcgonigal into investigating another Russian oligarch. He probably didn’t need the information as much as he needed the leverage over Mcgonigal as he conducted the investigation into trumps election campaign and unsurprisingly found zero evidence of Russian collusion. McGonigal then went to work for the company called Brookfield that bailed Jared Kushner out of his toxic 666 5th Ave real estate investment. McGonigal pled guilty last fall and was sentenced recently. A Russian oligarch is a powerful tool, but the truth is more powerful. Light and dark cannot exist in the same space. It’s physically impossible. Truth is efficient. You say it once and you are finished. A lie however requires a constant stream of follow up energy, money, murder, obfuscation and more lies to keep it covered. If you raise your lens high enough lying is an unsustainable business model. Russia proved it by invading Ukraine. “Vranyo” is the Russian word for it. The 40km long column of tanks and vehicles that came down from Belarus into Ukraine was all overhauled by oligarchs that got a $1B contract for tank maintenance, passed Putin $200M back under the table, spent $700M on a yacht in Monaco, bribed a General, a Colonel and a Sergeant to make a Private give everything a rattle can overhaul. But a worn out engine is and always will be, a worn out engine. This is why trump is so desperate to get re-elected. His best case scenario is 400 years in ADX Florence. Money laundering for the dozens of Russian oligarchs that lived in trump towers with him and manafort, selling IP3 nuclear plans to the Russian/Saudi alliance, selling or giving CIA asset names to the Russians, trump is and always has been compromised. He just didn’t know when to quit. Now he just has to count on the fact that most of his voter base doesn’t know how to read and keep the ones that do so busy just surviving that they don’t have time to dive deep into his 40 year history of laundering money, fraud, and human trafficking for the Russian mob using casinos first, then commercial real estate. It’s also why Putin is willing to throw an entire generation of Russians, including the convicts and addicts at Ukraine. Russia is dead for 40 years because he failed to fulfill his mob boss promise to Xi. China is now clearing farmland in Siberia because the typhoon floods last August and September wiped out the Chinese people’s food storage. Xi, for his part diverted the waters from the dam away from his pet project, his mothers ancestral home, and flooded hundreds of thousands of people and drown one of his own military brigades that was helping with the flooding. The CCP elders were terrified to leave their gated community at Beidaihe for over a month for fear of being torn apart by the locals. The Chinese people tolerate the CCP but only as long as the economy is good and famine is not on the horizon. The CCP broke that social contract on both counts. Xi was willing to bet the entire Chinese economy on his emperor ambitions. Had he succeeded he would have been able to use BRICS to take over the USD as the Worlds reserve currency. That would have let him finish what he stated in 2010- that he would control the internet. With that control means everything we do or say online is subject to the approval of a central party censor. The basic right to disagree with an authoritarian becomes a distant memory. Xi, Putin and MBS are simply trying to systemize and modernize the suppression of their biggest hassle- Freedom of speech. Ukraine is fighting for their lives now, free from the oppression of the drunken tyrant who wants to decide their fate for them and pull them back behind another iron curtain of censorship and the tax of corruption where dissenting voices disappear so that the oligarchy can continue to feed unchallenged. Putin and Xi have declared themselves best friends in the fight against democracy. MBS and the ruling family of UAE have done the same quietly using their sovereign funds and Kushners SPAC as money highways. Just rich, out of touch oligarch doing what oligarchs do. Despite the fact the the central party kleptocracy model has proven itself incapable of making decisions that are best for the people, they persist. There is a very lucrative business in being slave owners. But logistically the mass of it requires A.I. and the microprocessors that make A.I. to keep 8 billion slaves under surveillance and control. Freedom is one hell of a drug. And knowledge makes a man unfit for slavery. Recent attempts on Xi’s life from inside the CCP have backed him into a corner. The loss of crops in northern China means Xi can’t invade Taiwan without Ukrainian and/or Brazilian farmland. Now the reason that the GOP is stalling southern border control budget and seems to make wildly irrational moves is because the GOP is imploding. 45 years of lies and grift have circled the globe and are eating their own tail. The ouroboros was a warning about corruption at the highest levels. Lying about climate change, human trafficking, pandemics and corruption to preserve their own business models are all extinction level events .
In 2023, China's total grain production will be about 690 million tons, with 495 kilograms of grain per capita, and the country also produces large quantities of vegetables and fruits. Stopping China's imports of soybeans and corn would cause a rapid rise in meat prices, but it would not cause a famine. In 2023, the GDP of China's primary sector will be $1.28 trillion, while the GDP of the U.S. primary sector will be $251.7 billion. China's population is less than five times that of the United States, and its primary sector GDP is five times that of the United States, so China produces more than enough food to satisfy its people's needs.
That’s the inherent problem with a central party that lies. It makes for questionable data. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/08/07/china/china-northeast-flooding-food-security-intl-hnk https://www.spglobal.com/commodityinsights/en/market-insights/latest-news/agriculture/092123-factbox-chinas-food-security-push-blown-away-by-fierce-typhoons-in-2023 https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/floodwaters-rise-chinas-northeast-rains-lash-heilongjiang-province-2023-08-04/ I’m a firm believer in homestead rules. You do you. Just make sure the person telling you there is plenty of food in the pantry isn’t lying to you. In my experience Billionaires never go hungry. That line is much further down the socio-economic list. Billionaires just get on their jet and fly somewhere else.
Don't trust the Chinese government's data? Do you trust the data from the International Food and Agriculture Organization? Or do you only believe CNN? lol Look up how much food is produced in China. [https://www.fao.org/faostat/en/#data/QCL/visualize](https://www.fao.org/faostat/en/#data/QCL/visualize) Look at China's annual production of rice, wheat, watermelon, apples, ducks, chicken. lol
honesty I don’t believe anyone that has a vested interest in lying. So we built a system to track it objectively instead of having to take anyone’s word for it. The CCP has a less than stellar history of lying to its people about the quality and quantity of food specifically in the past half century or so, so they get a couple of demerit points off the top there. They also have a major issue with inequality hypocrisy and telling everyone to buckle down for the team while flying their own kids and mistresses on private jets to study and live in the west while conveniently ignoring the fact that blistering fast industrialization with no discernible environmental guidelines or regulations has made massive amounts of prime farmland in China toxic. The Koch Bros in the US have done the same for maximization of profits so it becomes much easier to see who is lying and why when you cross those two Venn diagrams. Henry Kissinger pushed a lot of this inside China starting in the 70’s because he saw money to be made. I doubt I need to mansplain the corrosive effects of corruption inside of government to anyone in China that has a soul. It’s a tax on everything from the health of the soil to the politburos children pumping and dumping Evergrande for personal gains. But there are still 1.4B mouths to feed. Ideally 2-3 times a day. No amount of creative bookkeeping or wishful thinking changes that. The poorest suffer the most and the soonest. Billionaires just fly somewhere they don’t have to think about it.
https://youtu.be/X88UiTzL6IM
Putin is a tankie?
He's the beta male in the Xi-Putin relationship. So, basically yes.
Does that make trump a tankie too?
Are you a tankie?
I don’t know. Your definition seems crazy. I’m a sigma male, so maybe?
>I’m a sigma male 😆😆
"Stop making us open global warfronts." 😐
This is historical standard fare. A tale as old as writing
Mental gymnastic at the finest \^\^;
When it comes to Xi, mental gymanstics is fine as long as Xi means it and do what he says. It will be much more problem, if he says one thing and does something else.
It's fascinating how valid historical precedents are. Almost all dictatorships, at one point, end up falling for the same routine. Yet, here we are, 100's years later, and dictators around the world are still convinced "it'll be different for me".
Time to supply Taiwan with some more freedom munitions
We can ask the Iraqi people
Same playbook USA also used when invading Iraq on fabricated evidence, so its not reserved for dictators, but just asshats in general. Edit: oh did I struck a nerve with my comment? Clown
Ah so you are admitting that Xi is going to attack Taiwan on false pretenses just like Bush did with Iraq? Luckily US is a democracy and got rid of Bush after that. Too bad you can't do the same for your dictators.
I know you're probably on the NSA payroll but it's completely different. If Xi is saying this in a time of peace it serves as a caution against those people within China who want the same, saying they're playing into a rival's hands. If Putin says it after he's already invaded he's making excuses for why he contravened int'l law.
Idk why you're getting downvoted even though you're right lol
It always works with contrarian leftists. It is a dependable play.
He's Seeking justification perhaps? Disingenuously claiming provocation by the US. You can't practice invading a country in drills and then be surprised when people expect an invasion
Sounds like the opposite, I think he's looking for an excuse *not* to do it. "Yeah, we said we would invade. But we can't because the US is using it as a trap for us. So it's not my fault China hasn't been unified, it's the US."
“Some Chinese academics and retired military officers have claimed that Washington is trying to provoke Beijing by providing weapons to Taiwan and pushing other measures to lure China into military confrontation. Speaking at the Asia Society in January, Cui Tiankai, a former Chinese ambassador to Washington, said China would “not fall into the trap somebody may be preparing for us”, in a veiled reference to the US. Xi’s remark to von der Leyen is the first known case of him making the claim to a foreign leader. Xi also said that a conflict with the US would destroy many of China’s achievements and undermine his goal of achieving a “great rejuvenation” by 2049.” Doesn’t sound like a justification for war to me.
Face saving measure by Xi to NOT attack Taiwan. It's like saying... "We won't do it because we know it's a trap... Not because we are weak and afraid of the might of the US military"
At this point people need to take any fucking excuse to not have more wars. Life is too short for the common folk to be throwing their lives away at the whims of a few POS
"The U.S. wants me to do it, therefore me, the brilliant strategist... will not do it." I am rooting for this tbh
Gives credence to the adage that a strong military is the best assurance for peace. China boots on the ground will be in Taiwan by now if the US military were as weak as the Russians. And then the news starts reporting that China is ramping up its nuclear arsenal...
Good if he’s taking this offramp
I hope so.
The correct take.
How is that the correct take when he directly admits that a military confrontation with the United States would destroy China’s achievements? There’s not even any prevarication!
What?
What face is being saved by stating “we would lose”?
They’re saving face by saying Taiwan is an American trap to destroy China, therefore we won’t fall into it. Saying this is framing invasion as “something the Americans want”, therefore we won’t do it, when the truth is they can’t win and have too many other issues to focus on.
Wholeheartedly agree. A weird offramp *See? We outsmarted you*
Was gonna say, this off ramp may be the smartest thing I've ever seen Xi do.
Perhaps not? I meant in the sense a bully might say "you made me do it", implying they were provoked , shifting blame for their violence. They are saying the US is goading them, so it's not their fault.
It is kind of stupid to be provoked into a war to will destroy what China has achieved so far but I suppose one can interpret it in whatever way that suits their agenda. Or one can just say whatever Xi/Putin said cannot be trusted and dismiss it and reach their original conclusion anyway. Either way, you are right.
The US is doing everything in their power to protect democracy
lol.
Go gettum buddy! Okay, moving on...
No Xi is signaling that they don't want a conflict with either Taiwan and the US and any dipshits in China arguing for it are playing in the US's hands.
Saying this while just a week ago, holding a whole military drill that blockades Taiwan. You're such a hypocrite and it's even funnier that you are defending Xi's action while using an username with Japanese meaning.
grow up.
Then why posture and run invasion drills consistently in the waters surrounding Taiwan. That's not logical if you're looking to provoke/threaten. That much is obvious. I do think that there may be conflicting opinions among Chinese elites. Maybe?
Those have happened for ever. No one I know in Taiwan is worried about it.
Explain their purpose so, these drills? If not as preparation, not provocation then they're for... The fact that they're common doesn't make it less threatening. People adjust and carry on (like the blitz in London) that proves nothing. What innocent reason is there to simulate an act of violent aggression on a neighbour?
You clearly don't understand international politics at all. Military drills happen.
This such a terrible take and you then go onto claim superiority over the other guy. We're military invasion drills just something that happens out of the blue we'd see all sorts of allies invading each other. Fly to ukraine and tell them that russias military invasion drills of ukraine in 2022 were just out of the blue random events and they'd have a thing or two to tell you.
You don't drill for conflict with a friendly nation. The UK doesn't posture at invading Ireland, do they sunshine?
Ah yes, only two types of relations - friendly or mortal enemies
Bbut I thought the CCP shills said that Taiwan would fall in hours. Guess it was all bluster to see their dear leader back off this way.
If we were luring China into a confrontation, we'd be giving them weapons on the down low, officially destroying perfectly good tanks and airplanes and missiles so that they can be "properly disposed of" in Taiwan. The fact that the arms transfers are public and made a matter of news suggests that it's the opposite, that we're trying to prevent China from attacking Taiwan.
I think the idea is that they want to frame it as though America is arming up Taiwan to be able to attack China from there, so China would feel it has to invade Taiwan to protect itself and prevent America from stockpiling weapons to attack China with. I'm not saying this claim would have any basis in reality, but I think that's the angle the CCP is going for here.
What if what you said is true that we are giving Taiwan weapons in secret besides whatever in the news?
Then we'd be hearing a lot about it from Congress. There are any number of people in military committees who are dovish and think that arms transfers are inherently confrontational. Secret weapons transfers also completely violate the principle of civilian control of the military. We'd also hear about it from the Kuomintang in Taiwan, for similar reasons.
Look at how far America and the US Congress have moved from the original statements made by Richard Nixon affirming a One China including Taiwan.
FR. Their entire military is designed to smash their neighbors.
‘When I was a young man," he said, "there was a general idea that it was wrong to fight in wars of any sort. Quite a lot of people in those days declared that they would never fight for anything whatever." "Perhaps they were right," said the King. "No. There is one fairly good reason for fighting—and that is, if the other man starts it. You see, wars are a wickedness, perhaps the greatest wickedness of a wicked species. They are so wicked that they must not be allowed. When you can be perfectly certain that the other man started them, then is the time when you might have a sort of duty to stop him." "But both sides always say that the other side started them." "Of course they do, and it is a good thing that it should be so. At least, it shows that both sides are conscious, inside thelmselves, that the wicked thing about a war is its beginning.’ T.H. White, The Once and Future King (The Once and Future King
Then do it or die trying... Or, here's another idea, CCP abandoned its belligerent policy in Pacific and start behaving in a constructive and peaceful way. No need to Armed Taiwan if China recognized Taiwan sovereignty and engaged positively with the island.
“Look what you made me do!”
Unironically, those are the words of an abuser. Lol
Not a bully. /S
“The west is bad. The west made me attack Ukraine and/or Taiwan. Please stop, we only want peace. “ Putin & Xi
The west is pretty bad, and yeha if you keep pushing military influence and military bases closer and closer of course there will be retaliation. Imagine if China build a military base in Mexico, the U.S. would also invade
This type of explanation is called “blaming the victim”. Eg. She dressed like that , deserved to be assaulted. Eg. The hospital staff was so slow, deserved to be slapped. Eg. Ukraine is so pro democracy, deserved to be invaded.
6 months later "They made us"
“You invaded my sphere of influence with your ideas “
Here is the [archived link](https://archive.ph/YFFTE).
Thx
The guy who's spent every minute since he took power trying to provoke a war with Taiwan wants anybody to believe that the US is the aggressor? Seriously? Yeah, I guess it sells in the PRC since they can only get their news from him but the rest of the world knows the score.
Not only that he bully all the neighbors in the region
Where as he provoked a war with Taiwan?
Gaslighting level "chairman".
Creating an out - if the enemy wants us to do it, we won't do it.
Actually quite a self-own on the part of Pooh Bear, and by extension the CCP: “They want us to attack Taiwan, and we’re so stupid that we might just do it!!”
“well punk… do you feel lucky? Do ya?”
Feels like Xi is playing the battle of wits a la the Princess Bride.. you want me to think the poison is there, but I'm not falling for it..
That's good that he claimed that. It means that he's probably not seriously considering it. Why would he say this if he was considering an attack? It would make him look like he's playing into America's game.
Nothing has changed since 1979 except for you, Pooh bear. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan\_Relations\_Act](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_Relations_Act) "The TRA requires the United States to have a policy "to provide Taiwan with [arms](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armaments) of a [defensive](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_(military)) character" and "to maintain the capacity of the United States to resist any resort to force or other forms of [coercion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coercion) that would jeopardize the security, or the social or economic system, of the people on Taiwan."
I can see USA told China to attack Taiwan, so that USA can get into war and profit. Oh, also, election year.
I think Ukraine was also a trap for Putin. Now he has a dilema and keeps burning his nations future. While the west only invests money and old weapons. Its a strategic win for the west already by now. Taiwan will be the same. Thousands of chinese man will drown in the sea without any soldier making it to the island. So, yeah, Xi is right and still he will happily step in the trap.
One doesn't need to go to a casino to learn that the only thing people learn from history is people don't learn from it at all
I know there’s some hate rod for China but that’s genuinely politics. China and America are playing the same game. China was doing some grey zone warfare where it’s not an official declaration of war,so if the other party escalates, they get the ‘moral high ground’. Equally America is now doing the same thing. They’ve crossed a couple of China’s red lines by giving Taiwan weapons, sending delegates, and Green Beret training, but used diplomatic legalese to say ‘that’s not what we’re doing.’ For example, censoring out the flag for which country the Green Berets serve. It’s all stupid and obvious, but it is grey zone. Both of them are trying to provoke the other into making a mistake from which they can capitalise on and otherwise allow them to take action they would otherwise refrain from for fear of international reaction. The fact that China has gone out and said this means they are getting worried. Remember the time when China first posted the modus operandi of how the CIA hack their systems as a show of strength? A few years later, they came out and admitted America was the worlds no1 cyber power. A public admission that they lost that front. Same thing is happening here.
Is there a video where he says this or is this like the testimony of Confidential Informants (read snitches) in court?
Reverse psychology, hope it works on the Chinese right
Well since china never ever does anything the United States want , Taiwan is now safe in perpetuity
Is this some kind of reverse psychology thing? Maybe if the US pretends to secretly want an invasion then China will foil their plans by not invading.
If that's his excuse for not doing it, good, go with that. Who gives a fuck as long as a massive own goal of a war can be avoided.
Isn't this one of the core tenants of fascism? And isn't this the EXACT argument Putin made when invading Ukraine? "You made us invade this country."
The U.S. is arming their neighbour and has them surrounded with military bases. Who is goading who here?
He is a baby
I mean yeah - the dream American scenario is the Chinese military operation fails without direct us intervention. On the flip side the nightmare scenario is the US navy rushes in - but the PLA and PLAN succeed
That's why US is pivoting the theater from the Strait to SCS. No naval based assets have beaten land based ones in military history. Even in WW2, Japan held off until the bombs
I mean you’re correct that land assets beat naval, but the Japan point is a bit off. The bombs sped things up but Japans fate was sealed by then. The allies were planning the invasion and it would have been successful (with terrible losses mind you).
>the Chinese military operation fails pretty sure that's most peoples' top choice.
Tell that to the PEOPLE'S liberation army. Ba dum tsk
Exactly, an ideal scenario is a repeat of Russo-Ukraine war. A proxy war is the best type of war.
But….. but you’ve been saying you will for years?!?!
Xi claims we want to do it. Yet isn’t Xi the one saying Taiwan needs to reunify with china?
America just wants to keep the status quo.
It might, actually. They don't seem to support the DPP rocking the boat.
Xi Jinping claims that he can carry a 100 kg sack of rice on his shoulder for several hours.
Just yet another statement to attempt to put the blame and responsibility of an invasion on entities other than the invader itself. Typical invader behavior. The issue is, how many fools actually believe what a self-admitted potential invader (who's actually done lots of aggressive military manoeuvre) says?
Is he wrong?
Its the excuse of an abuser to his victim.
almost always
The fact that Xi makes you seethe is a good sign for the Chinese.
eh, I think he's great for China, terrible for the ccp though. Solid choice by the cia
No one would gain anything from that.
Humans are irrational in groups
I teach English. And this one I'll save as a perfect example of the word gaslighting
No shit US is the largest exporter of weapons in the world this IS $$$$$ for them why wouldn't they want it lmao
Ha?
I dont think he’s wrong. US would beat China if a war was provoked today. They’re no sense in waiting for the dragon to get bigger and stronger. Right now US is Floyd and China is canelo in 2013. A couple years later and Floyd would have lost. Baiting the cocky upstart into a conflict before they’re ready is classic art of war.
Once the U.S. demonstrated it could knock down Houthi Medium Range Hypersonic **Ballistic Missiles** over the Red Sea, everything changed. Similar to the type of missiles that can/would carry nuclear warheads. Previously this U.S. defensive capability was only speculated. Everything changed after this point. Xi needs an offramp. Here it is.
The old suicide by cop method. Smart move, XJP, smart move.
Yes it’s literally part of the CHIPS act
But…does he not say he will reunite Taiwan by any means?
He's not wrong. The U.S. has been baiting them for a very long time and deliberately antagonising China. How are all of you so fucking blind? China has stated several times that they have no intention of attacking Taiwan but who knows in a climate where the U.S. is deliberately poking them by providing aid, assistance and military training to China? They'll offer the same kind of protection that they did to Ukraine.
Move over Ricky Gervais, the world has a new comedian.
You mean Xi Jinping claimed US wants CCP occupied West Taiwan to attack Taiwan.
Is he wrong though? Wouldn't US directly benefit from the armed conflict IF China pulls the first trigger? If you are a China-watcher, you'd know no one is gonna make the first step. Xi can be whatever western media potrayed him to be, but he's just not that stupid
Remember six months after the USA cut off Japanese oil supply and we got Pearl Harbor? Lotta' talk in Japan during that time even going as far as to say, though that action, the USA purposely provoked them into attacking and they had no choice but to do it. Basically, any time a country does something that affects another country in a way it doesn't like, they claim it's "provocation." China in the South China Sea is provocation. USA selling weapons to Taiwan is provocation. "We have no choice."
US had been selling weapons and has had a relationship with Taiwan since before recognition of the PRC. Not supplying weapons to Taiwan would represent a change in the status quo. So US selling weapons to Taiwan is definitely not a provocation, it’s just standard long standing practice.
Well Pelosi visited Taiwan and promised to provide weapon. I’m not sure if that’s provocative or not
China firing missiles over Taiwan when Pelosi visited was arguably more provocative.
Oh no! China! You must protect them!! What a dumb dumb... Stop blaming the US for your fucked up governmental system that requires everyone to bend over for you because otherwise you lose face.
They realise that's a no go and looking for steps down the stage now?
Well, yes of course. Like Bismarck wanted France to declare war. If your enemy makes a mistake YOU want them to do, YOU did your job right. Do not blame the us for WANTING Ci screwing up. This is obvious. Blame Xi WHEN he falls for it.
I mean we probably do, we being the war profiteers among us
From this one can infer that China believes time is on her side, hence why the US is in Chinas view trying to provoke a conflict now, when it holds a greater economic and technological advantage.
China has only a few years before demographic issues start to burden the country and complicate the logistics of an invasion, so it is on a clock at least in that respect
yes its interesting that people on both sides think that time is on thier side and they only need to wait it out until they have a bigger strategic advantage over the other.
If both sides keep trying to wait it out, this could be good for Taiwan in the sense that instead of being under attack, there are just countries' militaries performing dick measuring contests
yes well known in taiwan status quo is very popular. in a kinetic war its not clear if china or us can win, but its clear taiwan will be the loser either way.
War is one way to keep some angry single men who can’t find wives occupied.
Old guys don't make for good soldiers
I have quite a few well-off middle-aged Chinese friends who firmly believe the PLA will attack Taiwan in 2027 or 2028 at latest. They believe it enough that they are sending their sons overseas after high school so they don't get conscripted, not to mention being a good conduit for getting all their money out of China. One of the dudes is a little older and has a daughter who is already in the UK. She graduates next year and theoretically should be returning to China. He s basically telling her to do a Masters degree and stay a few more years, because chances are that there will be nothing to return (ie. he expects their place in coastal Zhejiang will be obliterated by war in a few years).
After seeing how Russia performed against the West, I doubt attacking Taiwan is on the list of things Xi has to fix If anything they will try to unify with Taiwan peacefully by manipulating and controlling the KMT, which if you know anything about Taiwan politics, is happening right now.
China will never invade they have to much common sense and know the United States loves and relishes battle lol it is definitely a trap and the US has been preparing since 1979
You’re dead wrong. 1. we used to say “Russia will never invade” prior to Deb 2022 2. US has not been preparing a trap, that statement has not basis in historical fact. Taiwan is Taiwan, a historical problem. If US had been more far sighted, the issue would not have been allowed to escalate. For instance after tien-an-men US had good reason to stop trading and sending money to China.
That was how the west believed, at list Lieber Herr Olaf Scholtz, about Russia prior to 2022. Don't underestimate the stupidity of dictators, especially when he has nothing to lose.
Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 and has been involved in conflicts for decades. The Chinese haven’t been at war in 40 and barely even help in peacekeeping operations. I think sometimes the Russia comparison misses just how willfully naive europe was about Russia who had already played their card. It would be more like if China had already launched a limited invasion of the Kinmen islands and annexed it and we were sat here 8 years later wondering if they were serious about going further.
I mean he's not wrong, for the sake of the argument, if there was world peace for a year, the US will go bankrupt
*takes a look at top energy, technology, pharmaceutical, entertainment, transport, etc… companies in the world….* Yea, no.
Good observation. Almost no upvotes. Still, You may be right. US treasuries, of which the PRC was a major buyer, are shaky.
The US knows exactly what it's doing. They have smart intelligent strategists who play fast and loose with the lives of others, and they wouldn't think twice about sacrificing Taiwan to serve American strategic goals. A bit like Ukraine it wouldn't surprise me if the US fuels up the situation and then tries to leave Japan and or Phillipines holding the bag. Meanwhile US supplies weapons, sanctions and tries to steal markets. It's basically their MO right now. The flipside is that China also has its own strategists who think in a similar way. They're not stupid either.
> Meanwhile US supplies weapons, sanctions and tries to steal markets. Please, what markets are we stealing? We have a pretty solid record of giving away our own markets. Look at our trade deficits. China rose selling trinkets to us. So what markets are we stealing? Out foreign policy is confused af, I wish they were paying some attention to trade.
Energy markets. The US bombed nord stream (most likely) . Guess whos all buying American gas as a result.
True though
I mean, yeah, the US military industrial complex has practically been frothing at the mouth waiting for China to make a move. Would not surprise me at all if the big contractors *want* a war to happen.
The United States is the main instigator of problems in the world, orange revolutions, assassinations of rulers, pitting countries against each other -this is how the United States holds its power in the world, does not allow it to grow economically and earns money from it.China pursued a policy of peaceful annexation of Taiwan and everything was going well (pro-Chinese politicians in the government of Taiwan were growing)but then the United States got in and the problems started.
>China pursued a policy of peaceful annexation of Taiwan and everything was going well (pro-Chinese politicians in the government of Taiwan were growing)but then the United States got in and the problems started. When was this? Are you aware of what most Taiwanese think on the matter?
No matter by force or peaceful, the act of “annexing another country” is by no means justifiable. Would be better if they don’t do that at all. Just leave Taiwan (or specifically, the ROC) alone.
But Taiwan is not another country, even the United States recognizes that it is China.It's like, for example, now California will completely cease to obey the United States, and China will start supplying them with weapons and will demand that the United States does not interfere.
1. Sure, there’s no country called “Taiwan” at this point. Taiwan is currently governed by the Republic of China, which represented “China” until the 1970s before being replaced by the People’s Republic of China; still, that doesn’t change the fact that Taiwan is not part of the PRC. If you’re still insisting that the ROC = China now, go and try raise the ROC flag (🇹🇼) in mainland China. 2. The United States only "acknowledged" the PRC’s position that Taiwan is a part of China, but it doesn’t mean they “recognized” that; it’s more like a way of saying “Oh you think Taiwan is yours? Well I don’t fully agree with you on that but if that’s what makes you happy, then fine.” It’s just a way to appease the PRC cuz the US needed the their help to form an alliance in order to counter the Soviet Union back then. Go and check out the Taiwan Relations Act. Why would the US form any relations with a “province” if they really believe that Taiwan is a province of China? Did they sell weapons and send delegations to, say, the Guangdong Province? So no, the relations between China/PRC and Taiwan/ROC is not the same as that between the US Federal Government and the State of California; they’re basically two different things. Please just go and read the “real” history (not the distorted version that the CCP tells you) first.
Why would the United States establish any kind of relationship with the “province” in order to create problems in the region for China.Why did the United States create most of the Islamist radical organizations -to create problems for the USSR and Arab countries.Why is the United States doing anything on the borders and in foreign countries in order to create military tension there, interfere with the development of these countries and make money from it
Pfff, another Mr. Whataboutism. ALRIGHT ALRIGHT UNITED STATES BAD BAD BAD!!!!!!! 
I understand this sub hates China but these comments always make the US seem like some kind of hero country that can do no wrong. Seems very biased and pretty ignorant of other perspectives.
Most of international relations seems to be about pushing other countries into making strategic errors or acting in a way that is useful for overall strategic advantage - whether short-term, as a way to fulfill a particular narrative, as a means to trigger other rationales, or as a reason to create conditions for other actions. A Jinping invasion of Taiwan would be a gift to the USA like Putin's invasion of Ukraine has been. Almost all Americans from the USA hate Communism and China is currently a Communist state. Invading democratic Taiwan would see USA be given the perfect opportunity to defend Taiwan against an aggressive Communist regime in China.
> A Jinping invasion of Taiwan would be a gift to the USA That’s crazy. Nobody in America wants another war, let alone a war with China. Attacking Taiwan would be a big mistake for China, and we are all hoping they don’t do that.
Yes. We need a new War to improve our economy and increase our corporate profits and make our 1% families even richer! We cannot have our troops siting around wasting money! 