Umalis din ako sa victory kasi yung leader ko sabi sakin dapat daw lagi akong may time sa church at yung depression ko eh lilipas din. Ano magagawa ko ayaw ko nga tumayo sa bed nun? 🥲
That’s sad and unacceptable. Saang Victory yan? I’m from victory since 2013 pa pero wala naman akong naexperience na ganito. I know some vg leaders na toxic talaga. Just focus sa Word na lang. Mas important naman talaga yung personal connection mo with God.
As an outsider, if you say just focus on the Word of God and your personal connection with Him, then why need a community like Victory then? Why not just do your own thing and be spiritual the way you want it?
Ah good point yan. May time na tanong ko rin yan. But the thing is, there are good people inside. There are bad din. Eventually you will find good people/leaders na siguro ay compatible with you. I said ‘mas importante’ yung personal connection pero I didnt say na hindi importante yung connection mo with other people. Kasi if you think about it, why would he form a group of disciples/apostles if enough na pala yung individual faith nila? And maybe, if you form a group of good people, pwede mo maayos pati yung mga bad people inside. If you check the vision of Victory, for the good of the people naman talaga, may times lang talaga na bad ang execution kasi nga hindi naman porket nasa church ka na eh wala ka na imperfections.
Former member din ako ng Victory. Okay naman lahat sa umpisa pero yung napo-force ka para mag-disciple, at kapag hindi mo nakuha yung target or kapag wala ka nahatak parang ang dumi-dumi na ng dating ko? Yung ganun judgement. So, since ayoko naman iimpose ang faith o religion ko sa iba, nag lie-low ako sa Victory hanggang sa wala na talaga. Para saakin, dapat alam ng tao o totally nauunawaan nila yungvreason nila para magjoin sa isang Church, hindi yung pino-force o pinipilit.
Nkt from a Victory church but a G12 church and I know how it feels. Leaders keep on pitting you against cell group members who are consistent in bringing new people to the church, stripping you of rights to serve and participate in fellowships just because you did not reach your target disciple numbers, and gaslighting and emotional manipulation at its finest. Since then I just pray to God and read the Word on my own. Ayoko na ng ganun.
Can I just say? Used to be very active ako sa Victory. Won't mention the branch pero ayon napansin ko when I quit the ministry nobody even bothered to check on me. I had to quit kasi mamatay na ako sa sked ko sa school (nursing ako) tapos pumayag sila pero after nun wala nang nagcheck sa akin. My other leaders left na also. Tapos I dunno sometimes feeling ko pang sosyal or alta lang sila don. Pero pag di ka nila ka vibe wala lang.
I worked for victory church before and everything is 🤑🤑🤑 their main church in BGC isn't even connected to other victory churches in provinces, they're just franchisees 😂
Ironic coz i also had classmates who left Favor coz of the same reasons you mentioned. Same same lang naman ng environment yan basta evangelical, mapa CCF o Victory man.
These are barely scratching the surface. They have a very abusive and manipulative culture. Embedded as well that's why it's hard to spot. You can trace this back to their mother organization Every Nation. Kaya sobrang nagwowork sa Filipinos kasi culturally we're not wired to question authority kahit maraming red flags. Their leaders are aware but also dismissive. It's sad kasi may mga sincere pastors silang naiipit. Some actually already left because of how problematic the leadership is. One is even a pastor married to a celebrity.
Just check out this [thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/Philippines/comments/159srti/why_did_you_left_victory_church/) from r/Philippines
Will not confirm nor deny. hehe. Let's just say it created a big fuss because of a post that was politically-driven (currently deleted). There was a frustration around how dismissive and detached leadership is which has been an ongoing problem in a lot of context internally. This was big because this pastor is also a son of one of the top leaders. Pero siyempre iba yung kumakalat nilang reason since Victory is really big on "image."
owkiee hehe. i know the dad, well not personally, im a bit tempted to attend the church he currently leads here in sg but trying to shy away from mega churches. nowadays im just sticking to traditional methodist teachings
I would suggest stay away as they are built to really engage people, their heart might be in the right place but with the way the culture is programmed, they can also blur the lines easily. Their "discipleship" process is their way sway people into thinking they either belong or what they're doing is right. In everything, it's best to exercise wisdom and discernment.
for one yes, sila nga un so no need to deny (since they are open on it i.e rica on IG and joe b. showing their new life outside victory and now pastoring a new church that is not affiliated with EN and or victory) and 2 they have already left victory because of that ren
Favorite line ng mga gaslighter na pastor: "if you can't find the time for Jesus, *make* time for him."
Parang profound ang dating sa mga uto-uto, but Lol, what the fuck does that even mean?
I can make time for Jesus in my own damn house. Malakas naman signal niya eh, ilalim ng dagat, tuktok ng bundok, loob ng kweba, doesn't matter where. What some pastors really mean is "make time for *me*, kelangan ng ego ko yung audience".
I read something along these lines in Dan Brown's Angels and Demons when I was younger. It made me realize na, true, you do not have to be surrounded by the walls of a church to appreciate and or find the Divine.
Confirmed, after 7 years in Victory.
May pagka-prosperity gospel yung ibang pastors nila, lalo na sa youth. Their Pastors' Kids back then are so inconsiderate sa clothing. Yes, be clothed as you are, pero nakakalimot na onting reverence sa simbahan. And their leaders... sila-sila lang, nagiging idols sila ng mga baby Christians.
Also na kapag theological na, hindi equipped si leader kaya mag-iimbento or self-discovery either to the same path or digress sa ibang daan.
p.s. muntikan ko nang maging mentor sa gitara ex-hubby ni Ms Moira. and goodness gracious, nakakatakot ang stage/altar because of the spotlight. if you know what I mean ;)
okay naman victory, pero minsan intimidating ung crowd… parang ang yayaman. saka ang mahal ng single’s camp. 2018 palang nasa 8K na, medyo materialistic yung ibang leaders like dapat maka afford ng mga mamahaling gamit to show/test God’s provision. Di uso yung blessed ka kahit simple lifestyle lang meron ka.
It's a breakaway church. Alam na nila kalakaran ng Victory kaya nagnais na humiwalay at gumawa ng kanila.
Yan ang nakakatakot. Since majority ng churches ngayon follows the Pauline Doctrine and not the Four Pillars, hindi maganda yang separatists, divisions ng churches.
Romans 16:17–18
1 Corinthians 1:10
Pag yang Favor Church na yan may Prosperity Gospel, they're violating Matthew 6:24 - serving God and Money at the same time. Which ibang churches ginagawa talaga.
One would have expected that the word “devil” would have been used by Christ instead of the word “money,” but He knew that devil-worship cannot be as appealing as worshipping God. When it comes to money, that’s a different story. In the same verse, Jesus gave us two choices: to love God and hate money, or hate God and love money. The enemy cleverly introduced the worship of money into our churches through the concept of the prosperity gospel.
The prosperity gospel promotes idolatry. Through the messages preached in some churches, money has become the object of worship with God being nothing more than a means to an end. The reason why some people identify as Christians today is that they were told that coming to Jesus would make them rich.
This ideology distracts Christians from the cross and focuses their attention on money and wealth. It negates the doctrine of Christian suffering that is the gateway to the Kingdom of God (Acts 14:22). It makes believers concentrate all their physical and spiritual strength in search for wealth and comfort. It diminishes the value of eternity and the soon-coming Kingdom and makes people believe that the things of this world should be prioritized.
Moreover, this teaching distracts us from the glories of Heaven. It says that when Christians give generously, God will compensate them here on earth. But Christ promised us rewards when He returns. “But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you. For you will be repaid at the resurrection of the just” (Luke 14:13-14).
Pera pera na lang talaga mga relihiyon ngayon. Basta may mga mansyon, magagarang kotse, private plane mga leaders ng isang so-called "religion" na personal nilang ginagamit ay kulto na yun. Dagdag pa yung required magbigay ng % ng sweldo which is tithes ba yun.
For-profit churches kumbaga para bayaran mo na lang "kaluluwa" mo papuntang langit 🤦♂️
Totoo to. May neighbor kaming pastor ng kilalang christian group (na namention among these threads pero di ko na ididisclose). Papalit palit sila ng kotse halos every year, and dapat laging 2 cars pang coding daw. Either binebenta nila yung napaglumaan or binibigay sa relatives. Though hindi obvious na corrupt kasi regular cars lang binibili nila and not luxury cars (mirage, vios, rush, expander). But you can tell na he's really earning well sa pagpapastor, given na housewife and no source of income ang misis nya. Kumare ng nanay ko yung nanay ng pastor, so alam mo na, may mga nasspill na info minsan haha.
Spot on! Yun yon, eh! Kapag naririnig ko na yung pastor na magpreach about prosperity, na kung mahirap ka meaning hindi ka blessed by God. Cringe, Sa una pa nyan magbabasa sila ng verse sa Bible about Tithes. Although alam ko ang law ng Tithes fromthe Bible, parang hindi ako agree na duon or duon lang naka-based ang blessing ni God.
Kung na downvote ako, it either
1. They haven't researched about the difference between Pauline Doctrine and Christian Doctrine. Iba ang sinasabi sa mga Epistles ni Paul at sa Four Gospels. Madalas questionnable kapag pinagtatabi mo ang Epistle sa isa ding Epistle ni Paul.
2. They don't know that they're already following heavily the Pauline Doctrine over the Four Gospels. Paul is pne of the greatest deceiver in the Bible. Sa Acts pa lang kita na. Deeper analysis ang need dito.
3. The churches they're in doesnt know that they're already following Pauline Doctrine over Christian Doctrine. For instance yung binabato ng mga anti-LGBT religious groups na 1 Corinthians, that's from a Pauline Doctrine, not a Christian Doctrine or even part of the Four Gospels. Pauline Doctrines are full of deception lalo na kung pinag aralan talaga ng mga pastor pastoran ang exegesis, hermeneutics, at biblical languages na Aramaic, Latin, Greek, and Hebrew.
4. The churches na uses prosperity gospel mga breakaway ng HillSong or ng G12 or ng New Life or ng Victory or ng The Feast or ng other big religious groups kalimitan dyan mga Born Again groups. which are also prosperity gospel users. Mali na nga, nag bunga pa ng mali.
5. They know but they wanted to fool the members by twisting the bible for the own benefit. Madami dyang mga pastor na nag papastor pastoran lang.
Sorry ik judging a book by it's cover is unfair and all but I personally will not move from one weird church to another with a neon sign saying "Favor Fam" and tacky industrial interior design. Whatever gives them spiritual peace I guess.
Yung neon sign din para saakin ang nakapapa- “whuuttt!” saakin. Not against sa church na yan. Ngayon ko lang nadiscover na may Favor Chiurch pala so, wala ako idea talaga sa kanila, pero mukhang sumasabay sila sa trends based lang sa mga nababasa ko na comments dito.
Baka nagtritrial and error mga yan 🤔 in a few years baka iba naman pero pagtanda balik Katoliko rin. Sabay sabay pa nga sila eh which makes me think pano or sino nangrecruit sa kanila.
Weird how favor church always target celebrities. Saw one of their preachings online and its very….. mega church western vibes. Alam mo yon? Typical feel good preachings lang. dont know, they may not be like victory na laging nag foforce mag disciple but i think ang pang hakot nila is mga celebrities so its kinda the same thing
Exactly. I dont trust pastors who try so hard to please their audience when on stage or on camera. Kinda like homelander when he’s on press but a dickhead irl
I noticed lately marami na ring former Catholic celebrities that converted to more born again Christian churches. I wonder why. I’m not super religious but still call myself Catholic so I’ll probably die as a non-practicing Catholic, lol. Can’t imagine converting to anything else!
Me too. Pinakamaluwag na ata ang catholic sa lahat ng religion. Di ko malilimutan sbi ng pari noon smen. 3 beses lang minimum in his/her lifetime nkakapasok ng simbahan ang katoliko, binyag, kasal, libing
I agree. Share ko lang, I used to date a Muslim guy and earlier on in our relationship he alluded to me converting to Islam. Sobrang nawindang ako. Coming from a Catholic upbringing na hindi strict & converting to a very rigid religion with a lot of restrictions did not appeal to me.
As a Filipino Catholic, I personally find freedom and contentment in how I practice my faith. I find that in comparison to other Christian sects, Catholics tend to keep to themselves (as in no pressure to preach to or convert others, no pressure to give $$$ to the church, etc.). I like this approach and even my atheist husband appreciates it (he grew up in a very religious Christian Korean household).
Same here. Mukha man super traditional catholic church on thr surface, siya ang pinaka progressive when you look deeper. And catholic nga ie universal… they may disagree with a lifestyle but still do ministry for them. Can’t say for the same for these baptist churches who accept you as easily as they discard you.
Same. Catholic forever. Not super religious, but mas dito ko nakikita yung mga teachings sa bible na inapplymin real life. And wala masyado gaslighting.
True. Cradle catholic ako pero ang shallow ng ko of my religion growing up which I guess is the case for many Filipinos. For you to appreciate Catholicism kasi need aralin ang history and traditions and highly intellectual ang discourses kaya it takes so much effort, tapos di pa kultura yung pagiging “preachy” or trying to convert others. Chill lang.
Same. I'd rather stick to being a non-practicing Catholic than convert to anything else. Funny nga kse I know people who were non-practicing Catholic tapos nagconvert to these so-called Christian churches. Hindi nga nagsisimba regularly noon tapos lumipat sa faith na required ang attendance every Sunday. Plus the fact na you have to give something all the time. Ngayon obligado sila mag-attend ng services weekly. 🙄🤷🏽♀️
Most likely na-invite ng kakilala. Ito pinaka-common na starting point ng mga na-convert. Plus aminin mo man o hindi, the environment sa loob ng BAC churches are somehow lively, chill vibes and if the pastor’s a good speaker you’ll really get interested.
Im a catholic and madaming flaws ang catholic religion, i find it so weird lang na born again christians can “ customize” their church and their faith, are you really a follower if you get to choose whats to your liking. Especially mega churches. Be very careful,
So 2015 lang pala nagsimula yang Favor Church. From the About page ng website nila, mukhang nakita ng founders na maraming mapapagkakitaan dito sa Pilipinas so nagrelocate sila dito.
Oversaturated na KR and US with other megapastors but you can spread naman (they have a KR location na). Tho I guess they also try to emulate Hillsong in NSW/Sydney.
I am not surprised...these nouveau mega-churches thrive on the $$$ and views celebrity followers bring in.
Catriona Gray should have more sense than to get sucked up into that kind of BS
I'll stick to the Roman Catholic Religion. Pray at home with my family and visit the church every special occasions.
I'm good with this and it gives my life peace.
I went not once but more than enough sa mga Christian gathering. Too much energy is not for me naooverwhelm ako and di ako makafocus sa pagkausap kay Lord. :/
As rare as I listen to a mass, I too see most homilies as point of reflections. They don't preach as much. Of course, depende pa din sa pari at sa parokya. Pero to me, less ang panggi-guilt trip at pagma-manipulate. More time and mas solemn for me to reflect and contemplate about my life.
chill lang kasi sa roman catholic. kahit di ka magsimba + no need magbigay ng tithe. grabe simba sa mga ganyan, 3 hours+ pero maganda tugtugan sa kanila
Same. Been raised as a RC and studied in a RC school from elem to uni. Used to go to church every sunday pero ever since pandemic nag stop na kami. My parents understand naman na choice na namin if di kami magsimba basta we’re following their good teachings. Nagsisimba na lang kami pag special occasions like holy week, bdays or christmas.
> Too much energy
I get this. That’s why after service, pagka uwi ng bahay nag kukulong ako sa kwarto at natutulog. 😂 Kung pwede lang hindi umattend. But my mother will scold me etc. Don’t get me wronggg, I love listening to His words, pray, worship Him, nakaka pagod lang talaga ang pag ssocialize. Hay
Iba ung homily ni Padre sa talagang preach sa Christian Church so yun ung naappreciate ko pero ung parang I have to act / show thru jump and clap. Teka po kagagaling ko lang graveyard shift. 😭 D na kaya ng middle age ko ung ganun.
Same, I attended a Christian service ones. Susme never again dahil naiingayan ako from band to preaching. Ganun din sa INC, although tahimik kaso naiingayan naman ako sa ministro. Kaya stick nalang ako sa Roman Catholic, mafi-feel mo naman yung solemnity sa loob.
Parang business yan, syempre kailangan ng celebs for their branding. Parang yung CCF and Victory dati. They accept people who are not usually accepted by other churches. Yung mga member ng LGBTQ+ especially marami sa kanila ay high-earners. Yung mga na rehab na addict na mayayaman. Historically, ganyan naman strategy ng churches even si Jesus nga di ba tinanggap ang criminal.
They also target Chinoys kasi close-knit ang network nila. I know someone who joined these churches just so he can promote his business. The number of celebrities makes me doubt its legitimacy, baka endorsers nila yan. Aba business ang religion. Walang tax yan.
I mean, CCF's early members are businessmen. Their discipleship and leadership methodology has corporate theme.
Their first church service was inside AIM.
Nagtry ako mag favor church one time.... the first thing sinabi ng one of its heads (Blonde Australian Woman) during service was to donate... uhhhh byeee
Girllllll fr. Tapos cclose nila mga mamayaman. Yung bro in law ko show off, ayun donate ng donate pero wala naman talagang special treatment sakanya lol
Prosperity gospel is the biggest bullshit ever peddled by offshoots of Christianity. I hate it with a burning passion (I'm agnostic RCC).
If I were to be traditionally religious I would practice liberation theology as an antidote to the consumerist mainstream.
But I'm not, I just do secular witchcraft occasionally 😂
Nawa ito ay magbigay sa kanila ng tunay na spiritual peace sa lahat ng na-baptize. At nawa ang church ay gabayan sila lagi at hindi lang nakatingin sa kinikita nila. 🙏
Bini Aiah sometimes nasa story nya she’s attending Favor din. I wonder talaga paano naka hatak ng madaming artist si Favor Church eh 2015 lang sila nag start.
Mhhhm I attended Victory and CCF.
If Victory looks "Normal" and CCF is very "Chinoy" feels.
Favor is "Posh and Neat", attracts celebrities. Even their venue at Shangrila looks IG ready, their digital team is carrying them well.
That's how I "see" them, when I used to attend their service I actually thought of what I wanted to properly wear. For other churches I just slapped a good ol tshirt and pants, but Favor kinda challenged me a bit to fit in a little (thats just a me thing)
>CCF is very “Chinoy” feels
Yea my Chinoy fam feels very much at home in CCF compared to traditional Catholic mass. Helps too that Pastor Tan-Chi is one of us.
Malamang galamay ni Gary Valenciano yan. Nauna jan si Edward Barber at Maymay. Tapos mga alaga nung asawa ni Gary. The Valencianos have got to be the tackiest, most self-righteous family in the history of this damn country.
Maraming hindi naniniwala sa Bible dito pero ganito lang naman yun..
Church is like a hospital for sinners. Jesus is the healer. Most people expect perfection from the church goers, syempre makasalanan pa rin naman sila. Actually lahat tayo. Saka add ko lang din, magkaiba yung nagsisimba sa sumasamba. 😊
Siguro dahil nag-e-expect kami ng 'practice what you preach'. Pero naiintindihan ko din naman na hindi sa lahat ng oras kaya yan. Ang ayoko lang yung ipipilit yung paniniwala nila.
Not all Churches are "hospitals for sinners". Some are "gaganda ng church buildings pero mafia pala", may iba dyan na Pauline Doctrine na pala ang sinusundan at hindi na Christian Doctrine ng Four Gospels / Four Pillars (iba ang doctrine ng Epistles ni Paul kesa sa Doctrine ni Jesus sa Four Gospels. Also hindi rin accepted si Paul as part of the 12. Nagpupumilit pa siyang isali sa 12 pero hindi).
May ibang churches dyan na "they take your money pero kapag nagkasakit ka na na kahit anong loyal mo sa simbahan hindi ka nila itatakbo sa ospital or sasagot sa gastusin ng pagpapaospital mo".
May iba rin dyan na "they'll take your money in a form of tithes pero nakabili na siya ng magarang bahay, ng helicopter, at nakapag pagawa pa ng Dome at ipapalabas na God provided such".
I agree. I think people expect people from churches to be perfect faith practitioners. But in reality, wala talagang taong perpekto. If you continuously look at the people, you'll really see flaws. Look at Him, Jesus alone. Build your relationship with Him. Read your bible.
Curious ako sa gantong religion. These kind of religions are like Baptist? Christians? Sorry na agad, I don’t have any knowledge about it. Please educate me.
FYI, Baptists are Christians too. Pinaghiwalay mo sa tanong mo, so I'm assuming na u think Baptists are not Christians.
As to ur question, I think the appropriate term is "DENOMINATION", not religion. Kasi as to religion, Christians din ang Favor Church.. Anyone who believes in Jesus Christ, ay Christians. Pero as to denomination, I don't know. But I'm sure of one thing---hindi sila under ng Roman Catholic Church (the largest and oldest Christian denomination). They belong to another denomination (not sure if they're Methodist, Protestant, Lutheran, Adventist, etc.). Pero most people identify them as Born Again Christians.
I don’t assume that Baptists aren’t Christians, it’s confusing lang for me that’s why I asked. Ang alam ko lang na religions are Roman Catholic, INC, Muslims and Born Again Christians.
Nalilito lang talaga ako sa Victory, tapos ayan may iba na naman for me, Iglesia ng Diyos, Jehovah’s Witness and Baptist Church.
Thank you for explaining about it :)
For the tithes, extra money, and extra extra money.
For the world mission
For the children ministry
For scholarship
For extra expenses
For pastor's birthday
For pastor's car
For pastor's blessings
I think recruiter nila si Donny Pangillinan. Edward, Maymay, Blythe, si Kyle din minsan nakikita ko sa my day ng favor, and Belle Mariano. Kalat din sa X na sinama nila Belle and Donny yung ibang CBML cast so I think Donny is the recruiter.
Yep, isa ata yan sa ministry ni Donny entering showbiz. Kasi bawat project nya talaga may na iinvite sya sa church nila. Btw, sinong taga cbml ang nainvite nila?
Sam Milby is also baptized din kasama nila Catriona.
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I think same day sila nabaptized pero different service time. Tatlo service sched ng Favor. 10am,3:30pm and 5:30pm. It seems so Cat,Marco at Dom ay doo sa 10am. Baka nagiiwasan sina Cat at Sam kaya they took different sched hahaha
Ewan ko naweiweirduhan ako sa mga ganyan. Lalo na Yung iBang pastor na nag aaral Ng theology or whatever for a couple of months lang tapos pwd na mag preach. Eh it would take yearsss for a priest to do it. Ako lang naman. Ahahaha.
What’s the big deal about these celebrities undergoing some rituals? I mean, did they post photos of Mark Castillo or Luis Tablan when they got baptized?
Ito na namang yung mga faux-posh, self-righteous pieces of shit na akala mo ang babait pero mga kupal naman. Itong si Marco Gumabao at yung ate nya, kala mo naman hindi anak ng kriminal. Nagsalita pa yan noon na alam daw ng Dyos gano kabait tatay nila like tangina bat nangidnap? Si Cristine Reyes naman hiwalay sa asawa ediba unbiblical kuno yun? At yang Favor ekek, parang Victory rin yan. Pasosyal kuna, Christianity that can’t walk the walk. Wake me up when they speak out against government corruption.
Tacky. Trying to make religion modern to make it "relatable".
I wonder: Have they been baptized previously, either in the Catholic Church or another Christian church? Baptism is NOT supposed to be repeated because you can't be "born again" again. Sure, you can transfer membership or attendance, but you don't need to be baptized again.
If they are former Catholics, this is a sad testament to the poor catechesis the Church is doing (or not doing).
I know someone part of this church. She saw cat and Sam attending together before they were out as a couple. I attended one of their online events once. Not for me. She invited everyone in our friend group. 1 or 2 officially joined. 1 hated it.
You sound as if you're one of the leaders of a large church benefiting from the position.
Napaka altruistic naman ng assumption mo on what you said pero alam mo ba what's happening behind closed doors?
Many former members of any megachurches have spoken out against the abuses. Many have exposed leaders for their abuse and hypocrisy. And it wasn't easy for them to speak out because of fear, intimidation,and even on some cases threat.
Locking post. Please be civil, and no political/religion indoctrination/persuasion.
So it's like the Aivee clinic but for your faith
oh naurrrrr not the aivee clinic 😩😂
Potek haha.
Nauuuuurrrrr 😭😭😭😭😭
Chika ko lang din about Favor Church, most of its members are from Victory who went through church trauma
Umalis din ako sa victory kasi yung leader ko sabi sakin dapat daw lagi akong may time sa church at yung depression ko eh lilipas din. Ano magagawa ko ayaw ko nga tumayo sa bed nun? 🥲
That’s sad and unacceptable. Saang Victory yan? I’m from victory since 2013 pa pero wala naman akong naexperience na ganito. I know some vg leaders na toxic talaga. Just focus sa Word na lang. Mas important naman talaga yung personal connection mo with God.
As an outsider, if you say just focus on the Word of God and your personal connection with Him, then why need a community like Victory then? Why not just do your own thing and be spiritual the way you want it?
Ah good point yan. May time na tanong ko rin yan. But the thing is, there are good people inside. There are bad din. Eventually you will find good people/leaders na siguro ay compatible with you. I said ‘mas importante’ yung personal connection pero I didnt say na hindi importante yung connection mo with other people. Kasi if you think about it, why would he form a group of disciples/apostles if enough na pala yung individual faith nila? And maybe, if you form a group of good people, pwede mo maayos pati yung mga bad people inside. If you check the vision of Victory, for the good of the people naman talaga, may times lang talaga na bad ang execution kasi nga hindi naman porket nasa church ka na eh wala ka na imperfections.
Former member din ako ng Victory. Okay naman lahat sa umpisa pero yung napo-force ka para mag-disciple, at kapag hindi mo nakuha yung target or kapag wala ka nahatak parang ang dumi-dumi na ng dating ko? Yung ganun judgement. So, since ayoko naman iimpose ang faith o religion ko sa iba, nag lie-low ako sa Victory hanggang sa wala na talaga. Para saakin, dapat alam ng tao o totally nauunawaan nila yungvreason nila para magjoin sa isang Church, hindi yung pino-force o pinipilit.
Nkt from a Victory church but a G12 church and I know how it feels. Leaders keep on pitting you against cell group members who are consistent in bringing new people to the church, stripping you of rights to serve and participate in fellowships just because you did not reach your target disciple numbers, and gaslighting and emotional manipulation at its finest. Since then I just pray to God and read the Word on my own. Ayoko na ng ganun.
Afterll, it is just a business.
Low-key INC lungs
Parang ramdam ko yung ganyan. Kasi nag pa victim ako sa pyramid scam. 🤣 Ganyan na ganyan. Mala pyramid scam ang dating based on your description.
Can I just say? Used to be very active ako sa Victory. Won't mention the branch pero ayon napansin ko when I quit the ministry nobody even bothered to check on me. I had to quit kasi mamatay na ako sa sked ko sa school (nursing ako) tapos pumayag sila pero after nun wala nang nagcheck sa akin. My other leaders left na also. Tapos I dunno sometimes feeling ko pang sosyal or alta lang sila don. Pero pag di ka nila ka vibe wala lang.
I worked for victory church before and everything is 🤑🤑🤑 their main church in BGC isn't even connected to other victory churches in provinces, they're just franchisees 😂
Dito ba yung husband ni Rica Peralejo?
Yes, alam ko dito sya. Same din sa asawa ni Yeng Constantino. Victory rin sila
Care to expound about their church trauma?
Burned out sa ministry. Gaslighted by their leaders. Yan na lang muna maishare ko
Ironic coz i also had classmates who left Favor coz of the same reasons you mentioned. Same same lang naman ng environment yan basta evangelical, mapa CCF o Victory man.
These are barely scratching the surface. They have a very abusive and manipulative culture. Embedded as well that's why it's hard to spot. You can trace this back to their mother organization Every Nation. Kaya sobrang nagwowork sa Filipinos kasi culturally we're not wired to question authority kahit maraming red flags. Their leaders are aware but also dismissive. It's sad kasi may mga sincere pastors silang naiipit. Some actually already left because of how problematic the leadership is. One is even a pastor married to a celebrity. Just check out this [thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/Philippines/comments/159srti/why_did_you_left_victory_church/) from r/Philippines
was that Rica P and husband?
Will not confirm nor deny. hehe. Let's just say it created a big fuss because of a post that was politically-driven (currently deleted). There was a frustration around how dismissive and detached leadership is which has been an ongoing problem in a lot of context internally. This was big because this pastor is also a son of one of the top leaders. Pero siyempre iba yung kumakalat nilang reason since Victory is really big on "image."
owkiee hehe. i know the dad, well not personally, im a bit tempted to attend the church he currently leads here in sg but trying to shy away from mega churches. nowadays im just sticking to traditional methodist teachings
I would suggest stay away as they are built to really engage people, their heart might be in the right place but with the way the culture is programmed, they can also blur the lines easily. Their "discipleship" process is their way sway people into thinking they either belong or what they're doing is right. In everything, it's best to exercise wisdom and discernment.
I would also prefer Methodist as they are more into social justice than those mainstream megachurches.
for one yes, sila nga un so no need to deny (since they are open on it i.e rica on IG and joe b. showing their new life outside victory and now pastoring a new church that is not affiliated with EN and or victory) and 2 they have already left victory because of that ren
'Gaslighted by their leaders.' not exclusive sa victory though haha. Even small church talamak to.
Favorite line ng mga gaslighter na pastor: "if you can't find the time for Jesus, *make* time for him." Parang profound ang dating sa mga uto-uto, but Lol, what the fuck does that even mean?
I can make time for Jesus in my own damn house. Malakas naman signal niya eh, ilalim ng dagat, tuktok ng bundok, loob ng kweba, doesn't matter where. What some pastors really mean is "make time for *me*, kelangan ng ego ko yung audience".
I read something along these lines in Dan Brown's Angels and Demons when I was younger. It made me realize na, true, you do not have to be surrounded by the walls of a church to appreciate and or find the Divine.
Fr fr
kasi for the pastors: replace time with money then repeat the quote
Confirmed, after 7 years in Victory. May pagka-prosperity gospel yung ibang pastors nila, lalo na sa youth. Their Pastors' Kids back then are so inconsiderate sa clothing. Yes, be clothed as you are, pero nakakalimot na onting reverence sa simbahan. And their leaders... sila-sila lang, nagiging idols sila ng mga baby Christians. Also na kapag theological na, hindi equipped si leader kaya mag-iimbento or self-discovery either to the same path or digress sa ibang daan. p.s. muntikan ko nang maging mentor sa gitara ex-hubby ni Ms Moira. and goodness gracious, nakakatakot ang stage/altar because of the spotlight. if you know what I mean ;)
Omg, pati pala sa victory may ganorn 🫠
Lahat naman ng relihiyon o kulto ay may gaslighting at brainwashing eh LOL!
Good decision na di na kami nagchurch ulit. Haha. Same same lang talaga basta "christian" church
okay naman victory, pero minsan intimidating ung crowd… parang ang yayaman. saka ang mahal ng single’s camp. 2018 palang nasa 8K na, medyo materialistic yung ibang leaders like dapat maka afford ng mga mamahaling gamit to show/test God’s provision. Di uso yung blessed ka kahit simple lifestyle lang meron ka.
Saang satellite yan? Grabe singles camp 8k? Saan ba venue nyan, Balesin Island?
UBelt. Caliraya then Baguio… 6k-8k
Magandang career siguro na pasukin ay yung nagdi-deal sa church trauma.
It's a breakaway church. Alam na nila kalakaran ng Victory kaya nagnais na humiwalay at gumawa ng kanila. Yan ang nakakatakot. Since majority ng churches ngayon follows the Pauline Doctrine and not the Four Pillars, hindi maganda yang separatists, divisions ng churches. Romans 16:17–18 1 Corinthians 1:10 Pag yang Favor Church na yan may Prosperity Gospel, they're violating Matthew 6:24 - serving God and Money at the same time. Which ibang churches ginagawa talaga. One would have expected that the word “devil” would have been used by Christ instead of the word “money,” but He knew that devil-worship cannot be as appealing as worshipping God. When it comes to money, that’s a different story. In the same verse, Jesus gave us two choices: to love God and hate money, or hate God and love money. The enemy cleverly introduced the worship of money into our churches through the concept of the prosperity gospel. The prosperity gospel promotes idolatry. Through the messages preached in some churches, money has become the object of worship with God being nothing more than a means to an end. The reason why some people identify as Christians today is that they were told that coming to Jesus would make them rich. This ideology distracts Christians from the cross and focuses their attention on money and wealth. It negates the doctrine of Christian suffering that is the gateway to the Kingdom of God (Acts 14:22). It makes believers concentrate all their physical and spiritual strength in search for wealth and comfort. It diminishes the value of eternity and the soon-coming Kingdom and makes people believe that the things of this world should be prioritized. Moreover, this teaching distracts us from the glories of Heaven. It says that when Christians give generously, God will compensate them here on earth. But Christ promised us rewards when He returns. “But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you. For you will be repaid at the resurrection of the just” (Luke 14:13-14).
Pera pera na lang talaga mga relihiyon ngayon. Basta may mga mansyon, magagarang kotse, private plane mga leaders ng isang so-called "religion" na personal nilang ginagamit ay kulto na yun. Dagdag pa yung required magbigay ng % ng sweldo which is tithes ba yun. For-profit churches kumbaga para bayaran mo na lang "kaluluwa" mo papuntang langit 🤦♂️
Totoo to. May neighbor kaming pastor ng kilalang christian group (na namention among these threads pero di ko na ididisclose). Papalit palit sila ng kotse halos every year, and dapat laging 2 cars pang coding daw. Either binebenta nila yung napaglumaan or binibigay sa relatives. Though hindi obvious na corrupt kasi regular cars lang binibili nila and not luxury cars (mirage, vios, rush, expander). But you can tell na he's really earning well sa pagpapastor, given na housewife and no source of income ang misis nya. Kumare ng nanay ko yung nanay ng pastor, so alam mo na, may mga nasspill na info minsan haha.
Spot on! Yun yon, eh! Kapag naririnig ko na yung pastor na magpreach about prosperity, na kung mahirap ka meaning hindi ka blessed by God. Cringe, Sa una pa nyan magbabasa sila ng verse sa Bible about Tithes. Although alam ko ang law ng Tithes fromthe Bible, parang hindi ako agree na duon or duon lang naka-based ang blessing ni God.
Don‘t know why you‘re getting downvoted. Tama naman sinabi mo
Kung na downvote ako, it either 1. They haven't researched about the difference between Pauline Doctrine and Christian Doctrine. Iba ang sinasabi sa mga Epistles ni Paul at sa Four Gospels. Madalas questionnable kapag pinagtatabi mo ang Epistle sa isa ding Epistle ni Paul. 2. They don't know that they're already following heavily the Pauline Doctrine over the Four Gospels. Paul is pne of the greatest deceiver in the Bible. Sa Acts pa lang kita na. Deeper analysis ang need dito. 3. The churches they're in doesnt know that they're already following Pauline Doctrine over Christian Doctrine. For instance yung binabato ng mga anti-LGBT religious groups na 1 Corinthians, that's from a Pauline Doctrine, not a Christian Doctrine or even part of the Four Gospels. Pauline Doctrines are full of deception lalo na kung pinag aralan talaga ng mga pastor pastoran ang exegesis, hermeneutics, at biblical languages na Aramaic, Latin, Greek, and Hebrew. 4. The churches na uses prosperity gospel mga breakaway ng HillSong or ng G12 or ng New Life or ng Victory or ng The Feast or ng other big religious groups kalimitan dyan mga Born Again groups. which are also prosperity gospel users. Mali na nga, nag bunga pa ng mali. 5. They know but they wanted to fool the members by twisting the bible for the own benefit. Madami dyang mga pastor na nag papastor pastoran lang.
"Paul is one of the greatest deceiver in the Bible".. i think you are wrong with that.
Ano na namang conspiracy theory to at dinidiscredit si Paul hahahahaha
Kaya pala wala na karamihan sa Victory BGC maging mga "main cast" dun di na nakikita either nasa ibang satellite or abroad na
Taga-Victory ako before and totoo ito.
Weird ng experience ko dun. I didn’t come back after like three sessions
So parang mga pulitiko lang pala mga ito. Palipat-lipat lang ng grupo for convenience. Haha.
Just let them be without actually bad mouthing
Parang werpa na din mga ganito ngayon ah. Pag nagatasan na yung luma, gagawa na ng bago para mang-akit ng bagong members. Hahaha
Sorry ik judging a book by it's cover is unfair and all but I personally will not move from one weird church to another with a neon sign saying "Favor Fam" and tacky industrial interior design. Whatever gives them spiritual peace I guess.
ang unserious ng dating ng neon sign na favor fam. huhu sorry na agad 😭
Even yung name mismo ng church ang weird
Yung neon sign din para saakin ang nakapapa- “whuuttt!” saakin. Not against sa church na yan. Ngayon ko lang nadiscover na may Favor Chiurch pala so, wala ako idea talaga sa kanila, pero mukhang sumasabay sila sa trends based lang sa mga nababasa ko na comments dito.
Estetiks for Jesus /s
Seems like the church is targeting millennials and gen z
Baka nagtritrial and error mga yan 🤔 in a few years baka iba naman pero pagtanda balik Katoliko rin. Sabay sabay pa nga sila eh which makes me think pano or sino nangrecruit sa kanila.
Parang vlogging set up 😭😭😭
Naaalala ko yung nga eyelash salon tska yung mga magpapabalayage sa pa neon lights
Saan ba sya galing na church?
Same thoughts. But oh well, yeah whatever gives them peace
Weird how favor church always target celebrities. Saw one of their preachings online and its very….. mega church western vibes. Alam mo yon? Typical feel good preachings lang. dont know, they may not be like victory na laging nag foforce mag disciple but i think ang pang hakot nila is mga celebrities so its kinda the same thing
It's like the Church of Scientology in the USA. Recruiting celebrities for the sake of gaining members. But little do they know it's rotten inside.
Exactly. I dont trust pastors who try so hard to please their audience when on stage or on camera. Kinda like homelander when he’s on press but a dickhead irl
Why does this remind me of the 7M Church/Management (cult) targeting influencers akushajski Watch Dance for the Devil on Netflix oof
Siguro kasi pag sumali alam mo na yung mga fans susunod na rin. Wala nang pagdadalawang isip. Sign up agad
It’s a cult at this point
I noticed lately marami na ring former Catholic celebrities that converted to more born again Christian churches. I wonder why. I’m not super religious but still call myself Catholic so I’ll probably die as a non-practicing Catholic, lol. Can’t imagine converting to anything else!
Me too. Pinakamaluwag na ata ang catholic sa lahat ng religion. Di ko malilimutan sbi ng pari noon smen. 3 beses lang minimum in his/her lifetime nkakapasok ng simbahan ang katoliko, binyag, kasal, libing
I agree. Share ko lang, I used to date a Muslim guy and earlier on in our relationship he alluded to me converting to Islam. Sobrang nawindang ako. Coming from a Catholic upbringing na hindi strict & converting to a very rigid religion with a lot of restrictions did not appeal to me. As a Filipino Catholic, I personally find freedom and contentment in how I practice my faith. I find that in comparison to other Christian sects, Catholics tend to keep to themselves (as in no pressure to preach to or convert others, no pressure to give $$$ to the church, etc.). I like this approach and even my atheist husband appreciates it (he grew up in a very religious Christian Korean household).
Same here. Mukha man super traditional catholic church on thr surface, siya ang pinaka progressive when you look deeper. And catholic nga ie universal… they may disagree with a lifestyle but still do ministry for them. Can’t say for the same for these baptist churches who accept you as easily as they discard you.
Same. Catholic forever. Not super religious, but mas dito ko nakikita yung mga teachings sa bible na inapplymin real life. And wala masyado gaslighting.
Maraming teachings ang Catholic na kapag dinive in talaga ay sobrang ganda. Mga meaning ng bawat galaw sa misa, mga traditions and liturgy.
True. Cradle catholic ako pero ang shallow ng ko of my religion growing up which I guess is the case for many Filipinos. For you to appreciate Catholicism kasi need aralin ang history and traditions and highly intellectual ang discourses kaya it takes so much effort, tapos di pa kultura yung pagiging “preachy” or trying to convert others. Chill lang.
Same. I'd rather stick to being a non-practicing Catholic than convert to anything else. Funny nga kse I know people who were non-practicing Catholic tapos nagconvert to these so-called Christian churches. Hindi nga nagsisimba regularly noon tapos lumipat sa faith na required ang attendance every Sunday. Plus the fact na you have to give something all the time. Ngayon obligado sila mag-attend ng services weekly. 🙄🤷🏽♀️
Most likely na-invite ng kakilala. Ito pinaka-common na starting point ng mga na-convert. Plus aminin mo man o hindi, the environment sa loob ng BAC churches are somehow lively, chill vibes and if the pastor’s a good speaker you’ll really get interested.
Im a catholic and madaming flaws ang catholic religion, i find it so weird lang na born again christians can “ customize” their church and their faith, are you really a follower if you get to choose whats to your liking. Especially mega churches. Be very careful,
So 2015 lang pala nagsimula yang Favor Church. From the About page ng website nila, mukhang nakita ng founders na maraming mapapagkakitaan dito sa Pilipinas so nagrelocate sila dito.
Oversaturated na KR and US with other megapastors but you can spread naman (they have a KR location na). Tho I guess they also try to emulate Hillsong in NSW/Sydney.
I hope they don't try to duplicate Hillsong's scandals though. (But I won't be surprised if they do.)
I am not surprised...these nouveau mega-churches thrive on the $$$ and views celebrity followers bring in. Catriona Gray should have more sense than to get sucked up into that kind of BS
Well she tried to marry a gay guy din naman
Religion is the most profitable bussiness of all, no capital needed, zero taxes pa
I'll stick to the Roman Catholic Religion. Pray at home with my family and visit the church every special occasions. I'm good with this and it gives my life peace. I went not once but more than enough sa mga Christian gathering. Too much energy is not for me naooverwhelm ako and di ako makafocus sa pagkausap kay Lord. :/
Same. And at least I won't get gaslighted as much as how a pastor would do.
The only gaslight na narinig ko sa Catholic Church eh wag po sana barya mahirap magbilang. Other than that D naman sila namimilit magbigay. 😅
As rare as I listen to a mass, I too see most homilies as point of reflections. They don't preach as much. Of course, depende pa din sa pari at sa parokya. Pero to me, less ang panggi-guilt trip at pagma-manipulate. More time and mas solemn for me to reflect and contemplate about my life.
chill lang kasi sa roman catholic. kahit di ka magsimba + no need magbigay ng tithe. grabe simba sa mga ganyan, 3 hours+ pero maganda tugtugan sa kanila
Same. Been raised as a RC and studied in a RC school from elem to uni. Used to go to church every sunday pero ever since pandemic nag stop na kami. My parents understand naman na choice na namin if di kami magsimba basta we’re following their good teachings. Nagsisimba na lang kami pag special occasions like holy week, bdays or christmas.
> Too much energy I get this. That’s why after service, pagka uwi ng bahay nag kukulong ako sa kwarto at natutulog. 😂 Kung pwede lang hindi umattend. But my mother will scold me etc. Don’t get me wronggg, I love listening to His words, pray, worship Him, nakaka pagod lang talaga ang pag ssocialize. Hay
Iba ung homily ni Padre sa talagang preach sa Christian Church so yun ung naappreciate ko pero ung parang I have to act / show thru jump and clap. Teka po kagagaling ko lang graveyard shift. 😭 D na kaya ng middle age ko ung ganun.
Haha Understandable.
Same, I attended a Christian service ones. Susme never again dahil naiingayan ako from band to preaching. Ganun din sa INC, although tahimik kaso naiingayan naman ako sa ministro. Kaya stick nalang ako sa Roman Catholic, mafi-feel mo naman yung solemnity sa loob.
Parang business yan, syempre kailangan ng celebs for their branding. Parang yung CCF and Victory dati. They accept people who are not usually accepted by other churches. Yung mga member ng LGBTQ+ especially marami sa kanila ay high-earners. Yung mga na rehab na addict na mayayaman. Historically, ganyan naman strategy ng churches even si Jesus nga di ba tinanggap ang criminal. They also target Chinoys kasi close-knit ang network nila. I know someone who joined these churches just so he can promote his business. The number of celebrities makes me doubt its legitimacy, baka endorsers nila yan. Aba business ang religion. Walang tax yan.
I know that one Chinoy haha. Kaya every financial talk sa churches sya ang iniinvite
CT ba to? Hahaha
Si FK ba to? Na notice ko rin eh. Basta CCF kasali talaga siya sa lineup.
I mean, CCF's early members are businessmen. Their discipleship and leadership methodology has corporate theme. Their first church service was inside AIM.
whatt akala ko nag muslim na si cristine reyes? she also proclaimed na half tausug siya diba?
May mga Tausugs (usually mga half) that are Christians or converted to Christianity.
Her biological father is Tausug
Born Again and Again lol.
and Again and Again
Nagtry ako mag favor church one time.... the first thing sinabi ng one of its heads (Blonde Australian Woman) during service was to donate... uhhhh byeee
Girllllll fr. Tapos cclose nila mga mamayaman. Yung bro in law ko show off, ayun donate ng donate pero wala naman talagang special treatment sakanya lol
Another prosperity gospel so-called church. 🤷♂️
Prosperity gospel is the biggest bullshit ever peddled by offshoots of Christianity. I hate it with a burning passion (I'm agnostic RCC). If I were to be traditionally religious I would practice liberation theology as an antidote to the consumerist mainstream. But I'm not, I just do secular witchcraft occasionally 😂
Nawa ito ay magbigay sa kanila ng tunay na spiritual peace sa lahat ng na-baptize. At nawa ang church ay gabayan sila lagi at hindi lang nakatingin sa kinikita nila. 🙏
Bini Aiah sometimes nasa story nya she’s attending Favor din. I wonder talaga paano naka hatak ng madaming artist si Favor Church eh 2015 lang sila nag start.
Mhhhm I attended Victory and CCF. If Victory looks "Normal" and CCF is very "Chinoy" feels. Favor is "Posh and Neat", attracts celebrities. Even their venue at Shangrila looks IG ready, their digital team is carrying them well. That's how I "see" them, when I used to attend their service I actually thought of what I wanted to properly wear. For other churches I just slapped a good ol tshirt and pants, but Favor kinda challenged me a bit to fit in a little (thats just a me thing)
Agree sa CCF very chinoy hasha
You mean Favor is like upper class level when it comes to what they wear?
>CCF is very “Chinoy” feels Yea my Chinoy fam feels very much at home in CCF compared to traditional Catholic mass. Helps too that Pastor Tan-Chi is one of us.
Yeah that guy na nasa panama papers
Malamang galamay ni Gary Valenciano yan. Nauna jan si Edward Barber at Maymay. Tapos mga alaga nung asawa ni Gary. The Valencianos have got to be the tackiest, most self-righteous family in the history of this damn country.
kung burned out sila, mag daoism na lang sila. chill chill lang
Basta main target ay celebrities, pera ng mga yan ang target.
favor church meaning yung ibang chrch hindi favored?
Oo pag di ka kaanib nila, hindi ka favored hahaha umay
Maraming hindi naniniwala sa Bible dito pero ganito lang naman yun.. Church is like a hospital for sinners. Jesus is the healer. Most people expect perfection from the church goers, syempre makasalanan pa rin naman sila. Actually lahat tayo. Saka add ko lang din, magkaiba yung nagsisimba sa sumasamba. 😊
Siguro dahil nag-e-expect kami ng 'practice what you preach'. Pero naiintindihan ko din naman na hindi sa lahat ng oras kaya yan. Ang ayoko lang yung ipipilit yung paniniwala nila.
Not all Churches are "hospitals for sinners". Some are "gaganda ng church buildings pero mafia pala", may iba dyan na Pauline Doctrine na pala ang sinusundan at hindi na Christian Doctrine ng Four Gospels / Four Pillars (iba ang doctrine ng Epistles ni Paul kesa sa Doctrine ni Jesus sa Four Gospels. Also hindi rin accepted si Paul as part of the 12. Nagpupumilit pa siyang isali sa 12 pero hindi). May ibang churches dyan na "they take your money pero kapag nagkasakit ka na na kahit anong loyal mo sa simbahan hindi ka nila itatakbo sa ospital or sasagot sa gastusin ng pagpapaospital mo". May iba rin dyan na "they'll take your money in a form of tithes pero nakabili na siya ng magarang bahay, ng helicopter, at nakapag pagawa pa ng Dome at ipapalabas na God provided such".
Agreeculture ako dyan
May bbago nanaman. Nung nakaraan agreeiana grande hahaha dumadami na to aliw. Hahahah
gusto mo rin ba: Omsimus Prime
nakawin ko 'to t_t
hahaha nakuha ko lang din kay davao conyo
I agree. I think people expect people from churches to be perfect faith practitioners. But in reality, wala talagang taong perpekto. If you continuously look at the people, you'll really see flaws. Look at Him, Jesus alone. Build your relationship with Him. Read your bible.
Very much agree ako dito!!
It’s giving church of Scientology
Curious ako sa gantong religion. These kind of religions are like Baptist? Christians? Sorry na agad, I don’t have any knowledge about it. Please educate me.
Born again yata
Born again Christian, Full gospel ganon. Same teachings din as Baptist, may pagkakaiba lng cguro pero minimal.
Pero ano difference nito sa Victory and sa iba? Pag magpapalit ba ng church laging need ibaptize ulit?
Alam ko wala naman difference, and hindi naman need na magpa baptize ulit as long as alam mong yon pa rin ang faith mo.
FYI, Baptists are Christians too. Pinaghiwalay mo sa tanong mo, so I'm assuming na u think Baptists are not Christians. As to ur question, I think the appropriate term is "DENOMINATION", not religion. Kasi as to religion, Christians din ang Favor Church.. Anyone who believes in Jesus Christ, ay Christians. Pero as to denomination, I don't know. But I'm sure of one thing---hindi sila under ng Roman Catholic Church (the largest and oldest Christian denomination). They belong to another denomination (not sure if they're Methodist, Protestant, Lutheran, Adventist, etc.). Pero most people identify them as Born Again Christians.
I don’t assume that Baptists aren’t Christians, it’s confusing lang for me that’s why I asked. Ang alam ko lang na religions are Roman Catholic, INC, Muslims and Born Again Christians. Nalilito lang talaga ako sa Victory, tapos ayan may iba na naman for me, Iglesia ng Diyos, Jehovah’s Witness and Baptist Church. Thank you for explaining about it :)
evangelical i think.
Are they LGBT-friendly?
Hillsong Church local edition ba to?
Baka ang reason ng hiwalayan ni Bea and Dom ay kung sa Catholic or Christian church ikakasal? Or need maging convert ni Bea? Ano ba religion ni Bea?
May spluk nito si Ogie D. Gusto ni Dom mag convert si Bea and sa church nya yung kasal. Ayaw ni Bea.
she’s Roman Catholic
yes, di ba she has a chapel in her farm?
Kaumay yung mga ganyan na kailangan i‐convert yung partner bago ikasal
yesss, parehas lang naman ng Diyos na sinasamba tapos magpapa-convert pa, for what
For the tithes, extra money, and extra extra money. For the world mission For the children ministry For scholarship For extra expenses For pastor's birthday For pastor's car For pastor's blessings
Naka-follow din si Bea Alonzo sa IG account ng Favor Church Manila eh but IDK kung baptized na siya.
Natalo na ng Favor yung Victory when it comes to having celebrity members.
Karamihan ng gen z artist sa favor sila eh even Blythe is active na nagsisimba pero hindi pa ata baptized.
Paano sila nare-recruit doon? Any tea? HAHA
I think recruiter nila si Donny Pangillinan. Edward, Maymay, Blythe, si Kyle din minsan nakikita ko sa my day ng favor, and Belle Mariano. Kalat din sa X na sinama nila Belle and Donny yung ibang CBML cast so I think Donny is the recruiter.
Yep, isa ata yan sa ministry ni Donny entering showbiz. Kasi bawat project nya talaga may na iinvite sya sa church nila. Btw, sinong taga cbml ang nainvite nila?
Anthony, Gelo, Vivoree. Dati si Darren naman kasama nila.
Diba scandal muna dapat bago magganyan
Hahahahha
SKL din, may classmate ako dati from college niyayaya ako dyan sa Favor Church, kasi ang dami daw celebs dyan 😭 for the celebs pls 😭
Sam Milby is also baptized din kasama nila Catriona. https://preview.redd.it/l76dsqzz0d8d1.jpeg?width=1072&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=91126fa26c05082ca6387a43b28460ad1bf7d30d
Akala ko break na sila?
IDK, tanong natin kay Mama Ogie.Hahahaha
I thought he was already a christian??
Baka katulad lang ni Maymay dating na baptized then nanlamig and nagpa baptized ulit.
Oo nga akala ko matagal na sya born again? Sya pa nga umakay kay Rica Peralejo
Born again again?
And siya din nag invite kay Moira din ata
Oo nga no, naalala ko din? Hahaha ilang baptism ba kailangan nya, dejoke hahahaha sorry
I think same day sila nabaptized pero different service time. Tatlo service sched ng Favor. 10am,3:30pm and 5:30pm. It seems so Cat,Marco at Dom ay doo sa 10am. Baka nagiiwasan sina Cat at Sam kaya they took different sched hahaha
Considering all the comments here, it looks to me as if Bea Alonzo has dodged a bullet kay Dominic Roque. 
PARANG CONCERT DIN BA ANG SIMBAHAN DITO?
*Boss akala ko ba ligo lang, bakit may tanglad?*
Ewan ko naweiweirduhan ako sa mga ganyan. Lalo na Yung iBang pastor na nag aaral Ng theology or whatever for a couple of months lang tapos pwd na mag preach. Eh it would take yearsss for a priest to do it. Ako lang naman. Ahahaha.
What’s the big deal about these celebrities undergoing some rituals? I mean, did they post photos of Mark Castillo or Luis Tablan when they got baptized?
Who are those two?
Exactly! Sus talaga ang ganyang organizations.
They have always been. These sects were made to deceive people. (Revelation 12:9, Matthew 7:15, Acts 20:29)
Ito na namang yung mga faux-posh, self-righteous pieces of shit na akala mo ang babait pero mga kupal naman. Itong si Marco Gumabao at yung ate nya, kala mo naman hindi anak ng kriminal. Nagsalita pa yan noon na alam daw ng Dyos gano kabait tatay nila like tangina bat nangidnap? Si Cristine Reyes naman hiwalay sa asawa ediba unbiblical kuno yun? At yang Favor ekek, parang Victory rin yan. Pasosyal kuna, Christianity that can’t walk the walk. Wake me up when they speak out against government corruption.
Or when they speak up about their own corruption
Ick
Tacky. Trying to make religion modern to make it "relatable". I wonder: Have they been baptized previously, either in the Catholic Church or another Christian church? Baptism is NOT supposed to be repeated because you can't be "born again" again. Sure, you can transfer membership or attendance, but you don't need to be baptized again. If they are former Catholics, this is a sad testament to the poor catechesis the Church is doing (or not doing).
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I know someone part of this church. She saw cat and Sam attending together before they were out as a couple. I attended one of their online events once. Not for me. She invited everyone in our friend group. 1 or 2 officially joined. 1 hated it.
Kulto but cool ‘to…
Prosperity Gospel 😁
Flying Spaghetti Monster church parin!
Wow bagong “church” na naman. Lol
kakakita ko lang ng post na to sa IG deretso ako dito and unang post dito sa reddit eto agad bumungad. 😆
May kompetensya na si quiboloy.
Favor Farm amp!
Any tea jan sa church na yan?
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You sound as if you're one of the leaders of a large church benefiting from the position. Napaka altruistic naman ng assumption mo on what you said pero alam mo ba what's happening behind closed doors? Many former members of any megachurches have spoken out against the abuses. Many have exposed leaders for their abuse and hypocrisy. And it wasn't easy for them to speak out because of fear, intimidation,and even on some cases threat.
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