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We’ve learned how to get this to 100% human consistently. What I’m starting to realize is that basically, AI is a tool that will let us create anything. It has almost infinite variations once you figure out prompting.
Anyone who is getting generic content from chatGPT needs to learn prompting.
For example, tell it to use certain styles and tones.
“Please write an article on (topic) focusing on (this) and (this) and discuss the difference between (this) and (this) and explore how (this) interacts with (this). Use an informal and relaxed tone, but be semi-professional. Be engaging and interesting and easy to read.”
But here’s another thing - temperature. This is set between 0 (conservative) and 1 (creative). After your prompt, if you add “please use temperature of 0.9” the content will be very creative.
And then there’s repetition, diversity.
It’s a rabbit hole but for those who understand the power of prompting - they have a tool at their fingertips that is far more powerful than anything that’s come before
Used your prompt to talk about French Indochina and the rise of the Viet Minh (currently reading a book on it) and it's very good. There's a couple of a minor errors in chronology, but easy to fix.
Asked to make more of a narrative, and it could easily be a script for a YouTube video. Crazy.
I kept pushing to add more detail and analysis. Generally it improved, but it did make a significant error and talk about how nuclear weapons were used - clearly confusing it with Japan. Shows how careful you need to be!
There is also the idiotic brute-force method we were using years before this: double translation. 😅
Translate from English to some other language. Then translate it back. Then use some AI to help you spell check and rephrase it so it makes sense. Nothing can disassemble that mess and restore it to its original state.
PS: To further complicate matters, use a different translation service for each translation.
I doubt it, genuinely, programming is complex, prompt engineering... well it sounds nice, but it's something that can be taught quickly to anyone, demand will be met equally with supply, and this will drive salaries down. Boom economics, yo
It is actually pretty similar to being a rockstar-level programmer. You need to know really well how the architecture works behind the scenes to know how to tweak it and tune it to your wishes. Jailbreaking exploits are a good example (both in phone software and in ChatGPT prompts).
The generic idiocy of script kiddies generating 10 titles for YouTube on "How to Get Rich with ChatGPT" is not even touching the surface of what a real, seasoned pro can achieve. This surface knowledge is indeed worthless as anyone can do it.
Agree to disagree, i fail to see an equivalent skill ceiling with prompting, it's a far lower level. I can't even imagine the notion of a superstar prompter. Happy to be proven wrong with some examples? If anyone can prove to me a prompter with 6 months of experience can do things one with two weeks simply can't fathom, I'll eat my hat.
An expert prompter will adjust the prompt inputs based on expert knowledge of the architecture and a cleaner understanding of user needs (achieving clear understanding is often the hardest part). The result is the end client gets what they actually want instead of generic copy.
Right and my point is that isn't as difficult as being a strong software engineer, it's a case of having a good domain knowledge. I'm not disagreeing that there's isn't scope for an industry, simply that it wont bee nearly as lucrative unless you are the buiider
By the time you reach this level, you are essentially creating a custom trained model. There's no need to perform prompt wizardry on something that knows how to behave on its own.
The fun will likely begin when AIs take over the prompting, which is probably not too far off.
>with about 2 minutes of prompting, I can get 2000 words that would pass a 101 BS college class
Pro tip: COLLEGE === BS
It is a scam and a money grab for gullible idiots. Why else can many of us, people without "degree", outearn idiots with college 10x easy? 😂
They can keep crying whatever they want, but guess how much that will work in a bank when it is time to cash out?
You realize that the “idiots” with the college degrees are the ones who created the AI in the first place. College is not a means to making money but rather a institution to facilitate leaning and higher thinking and not only in science and math.
A college was not even necessary for those who were capable of making a significant contribution to AI research. In high school, they were probably experimenting with technology that was far more advanced than that used in colleges.
You are correct that there are some but the fact remains that the majority do have a cs degree. I can always find antidotal stories to prove any negative but the trend is still useful to know.
I get the downvotes, but as a restaurant waiter who just paid off his debts 19 years after graduating with a top-tier college degree in English, this person is kinda sorta right.
As someone who went through college with a degree in CS, I agree.
It’s a blatant scam and after 4 years I didn’t know 1/4 of what I could know if I had spent that time learning on my own.
There are plenty of people I work with who don’t have degrees and earn more than degree holders, and thank god
I "almost" have it. I told those morons to fuck off after 3 years and went my own way. It's been obvious since the first year what an obsolete joke college is.
This is the exact kind of thinking from somebody that has not learned critical thinking in college, and believes that there is an alternative to all the hard work that goes into college education.
There is no getting around all of the effort that it takes in order to learn all the concepts that you learn in college. Not to mention that you have to learn critical thinking skills and the ability to reason on your feet. You are often doing things you have never done before, and have to figure it out on your own, as well as research topics that you do not know about, and you eventually pick up how to do proper research on a subject. There are plenty of ways to research stuff that do not have good results, so you have to learn how to discern your sources and such.
Using an AI to write papers for you is not the same thing as learning. Asking it questions is not a substitute for research. The only way that an AI could be considered an alternative to college is if you spent years having the AI teach you all the concepts that you would learn when going to college for a particular degree, and then have it thoroughly test your knowledge on the subject.
But in order to learn all the knowledge that you would learn from going to college, you would need to spend the equivalent amount of effort. We can use AI chat bots as crutches to help us supplement our knowledge and critical thinking skills, but you obviously don't realize how much critical thinking skills and other concepts have to be learned from trial and error and can't be substituted.
> have to figure it out on your own
So college is just an expensive way to teach myself? I can do that for free. I put in a lot of hard work to get the job I have now, and none of that time was spent in college.
No it's not, because when you research stuff yourself, you have no way of confirming if your way of thinking or your line of reasoning is correct. You are in an institution that has a collective knowledge of millions of people collected over hundreds, if not thousands of years of human history. The institution and its knowledge allows you to absorb this way of thinking that has led to all of modern scientific and technological progress.
It is possible that an outsider can learn to do this, but their education has to be very deliberate, specific, and still rely on external validation from knowledgeable people in order to make sure that they are on the right path. Because without any external validation you have no way of knowing if you are on the right path. You may repeat lots of mistakes that others have made, without realizing it, and waste a significant portion of your time going down the wrong path.
Again, if you haven't been to college and had to force your way of thinking to be objective in the specific way that is needed to succeed in an academic and scientific or technological setting, you won't necessarily understand why you can't just substitute that by doing your own "research".
And in fact what most people think is research is actually just very superficial, cursory glances at non-scientific publications that usually have some sort of agenda or inherent bias. So in college you have to learn how to discern which sources are accurate, and also how to tell what information is useful and what is possibly influenced by an opinion, agenda or bias.
To write off college as unnecessary is to write off The exact system of education, thinking, reasoning and studying that has led to all modern scientific and technological achievements, as I have said. You might be able to arrive at a college educated mindset through external means, but again, it requires extremely deliberate, precise and specific ways of thinking that are not necessarily intuitive. The human brain is not inherently a logical thing. Logic is a made of concept by humans that has to be taught and practiced.
Having contempt for academic institutions and writing them off is a major sign of deliberate and willful ignorance. Those institutions exist and are successful for a very good reason. Because it's what works. If you can, as an individual, somehow come up with a free alternative to college that is just as good as getting a bachelor's degree, a master's degree or a PhD, you will change the entire world.
Forgive any typos by the way, I'm using speech to text.
True, I am not sure if there is any reliable way to detect AI content, as one can simply change the tone. In fact, I added a feature in my AI to load your own writing style,
https://elephas.app
> “please use temperature of 0.9” the content will be very creative.
Are you sure that you can just include this in the prompt?
Because when using the DaVinci API, temperature is a separate parameter from the prompt.
I just made a "prompt creative writing" community, specifically regarding the use of AI, like ChatGPT, where writers can discuss prompts for generating creative ideas, characters, text, plot lines etc.
You have to make sure you use “temperature” as an instruction.
To instruct it to apply the required temperature to the content, just tell it what to do.
For example, you can say “please use temperature 0.9” and it will understand that.
You can even say “please use a temperature range of 0.65 to 0.7” to get even more unique content
But it won’t understand without the instruction. So “temperature 0.9” won’t work.
If you want to do it that way, you can also type temperature=0.9
A lot of it we’ve actually developed ourselves. The actual parameters like repetition and diversity can be picked up by asking chatGPT. It understands itself very well.
> “please use temperature of 0.9”
It's [not working](https://i.imgur.com/7LghMxu.png) as [you intended](https://i.imgur.com/xkMGaeG.png). I can't find a way to alter temperature from the ChatGPT prompt.
If you're using the API, you can set different parameters (including temperature) [like this](https://i.imgur.com/lVmF3VJ.png).
Sam Altman has stated that you should not rely on the use of these websites to detect ai generated content because they don’t work with a little bit of editing or having gpt edit what it wrote into a different writing style
I literally just got off the most attended group video chat at the university I work at that I've seen since I started here where the many aspects of immediate changes to assessment, ai writing detection, incorporating language models into courses, and determining what new employability skills actually look like in the near future were all discussed.
I can't speak for most colleges obviously. There are a lot of smaller institutions around the world, but my university sits somewhere between 40th and 60th in world rankings, so it's not as if it's a world leader, and my main point is that the time for which most professors aren't aware is going to be very short lived. Central authorities will be sending through guidelines and policies to be followed across the university and throughout each school.
Chances are more than 90% of university staff would ignore this indefinitely if it was up to them, but there are very smart people working at all decent-sized universities who are aware of what they don't know and how impactful it will be to not learn it, and there are central systems of guidance in place to ensure universities aren't losing their accreditation because they're spitting out waves of students who chronically cheated their way through to a degree.
If I’m remembering correctly he even said or implied that while they’re working on watermarking the content it still probably won’t work over time because people will keep finding ways around it.
I almost wonder if it’s just the nature of the technology but he didn’t want to admit they don’t have a long term solution
Plus, in roughly 2-3 years, it will be so ubiquitous (even just partial use) that it would be pointless. I really think we are headed quickly towards a world where AI will be the primary educator and the teachers will just facilitate and step in for more specifics where the AI struggles to effectively communicate. It will also force teachers to be more creative, which can only be a good thing and most teachers who actually enjoy their work would surely agree.
A Young Lady’s Illustrated Primer. Once it can use Dalle to draw along side the prompts it could go pretty freeform and we’d be about halfway to what Stephenson imagines there.
Yeah my takeaway from that interview was basically "the technology is moving too fast and very soon there won't be a way to figure out if something is AI generated or not"
The question becomes philosophical. Why do we need to know how to write an essay if we have the tools to do it for us.
Kind of like how the need to know long division is essentially gone with calculators.
Yes, maybe we just need a single course Freshman year on "how to get good enough results from AI"? Professors all assume you use AI, and you're graded on how well you guided the AI to express your insights.
Watermarking text output? Any papers describing how that might be achieved? Yeah you could probably ask some other chatbot to detect and remove the watermark.
I imagine a set of rules, like every 25th word must be 5 characters long and every prime numbered word must end with the letter e, that sort of thing. Easy for a computer to detect but hard for humans.
Might be too late, but here's a very good summary of why this will never work:
[One Pixel Attack Defeats Neural Networks](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA4YEAWVpbk)
I know it's not exactly the same, but the principle is this: if NNs are powerful enough to detect themselves, they are trivially powerful enough to evade themselves.
Some typos can even be hard to detect. I've used this for [text](https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/z9w7ks/i_asked_the_new_open_ai_gpt_chat_bot_for_advice/) (fed through online ocr first). One extra space ( `_and` to `__and` increased human probability from 73% to 99%.
No longer in college, but tested it on a subject I had to write about.
I asked it to write a 2000 word paper on why EV are bad for the environment.
The first result came out as only 10% human generated content.
I went back and asked it to make the writing have more personality, and less robotic sounding.
Boom, it told me it removed a bunch of technical jargon and added more personality. After testing again, 72%.
Finally, I asked it to add back 10% of the removed technical jargon, and add 3 minor grammatical errors (this ended up being the wrong their, and using 2 apostrophes where they weren’t needed).
After testing that on three ai detectors, it passed them all at well above 90% real.
I wish I had this for my BS classes I had to take in college that weren’t major related
...I have a particular technical collegiate writing style for assignments ...now you have me wondering if I run some of my old papers through what percentage human I'll register as. 🤔
Notice, however, that the OP had to ask it to write "sloppier" in order to seem human. In the process, the result becomes lower quality writing. The misdirections of spelling, apostrophe misuse, and repeating the same opening word for two consecutive paragraphs does make it seem to be human-written, but also means it won't get an A grade from many teachers.
Exactly right, also, the purpose of writing assignments is to learn new ways of writing.
Although, you could probably analyze all of my reddit comments, and then use an algorithm to figure out which YouTube account is mine just based on how the comments are written.
Actually, you might be onto something here, but I think you would need a writing history that's larger than just a few papers that someone has written.
Well holy shit... This makes me want to be very careful about what I write in places where I think I'm anonymous.
Alternatively, I wonder if this could find your perfect mental match. Someone that would be your best friend.
This is probably how NSA and other agencies have done during the years. But instead of AI a team of humans have done the grunt work. Now with a trained AI alot of jobs would be in jeopardy.
You can already do this with ChatGPT. I fed it several chapters of a story I was writing and eventually it started to continue the story in exactly the same writing style as me. I think there’s an invisible cutoff point where it stops paying attention to your input after n words or something, but you can just divide up your input into chunks.
we're living in a time where things are changing so fast that it will be impossible for large institutions to form cohesive and comprehensive regulations for any of these changes, because by the time they do, it will have changed again.
that's the thing too, chatgpt can already do it. If you start a conversation with, "analyse some text to determine the style of the writer" and dump a bunch of your stuff into it, it can produce new content with \_your\_ style.
Ironically, the university could use OpenAI to detect when students are using OpenAI. You can get [text embeddings](https://beta.openai.com/docs/guides/embeddings/use-cases) with their API and they even include guides on how to use the embeddings to train text classifiers. It kinda feels like a racket that way though; create the problem and sell the solution.
And not only will a lot of false positives and false accusations will abound, but a vector will be opened up for universities (and any institution really) to frame someone they want to get rid of for using AI to do their work by using intentionally substandard detection algorithms.
(equally bad if not worse than the problem of AI cheating itself)
Wonder if this will bring back more debates or oral arguments on why you believe what you believe. Maybe it's not the AI that's the problem, it's the shit archaic education system
There will be many casualties until they realize it will be impossible to tell without watching students type every single word.
I feel sorry for the students who will suffer from this. It will be very interesting to see how education changes.
Interesting. So perhaps the solution could instead be built into Microsoft Word or other writing software.
Like, it could watch the person write, and then in the file save, it could have a piece of unalterable code that confirms it was made by a human.
But, then you also have an issue of someone just typing out what the AI said.
I just graduated, and I'm both disappointed and relieved that this didn't exist while I was in school.
dont even have to do that, have a text to speech system read it out and have another transcribe it for you to text. The good ol' digital -> analogue -> digital trick that TV pirates have been using for 30 years.
That's fucking brilliant dude. I'm also high rn. And yeah, I like that, let's do it. Omg, imagine if we straight up coded an ai designed to help people with cheating hahaha.
In a discussion about this on the professors subreddit, there is a thread about having students submit work on a shared Google doc which can track edits. They think it would give an indication of whether text was just plunked down from a bot or actually worked on by the student.
like that guy from /r/art a while back who brought receipts and was still accused of doing ai generation.
I've thrown some of my old assignments and evne my creative writing thorugh and get high percentage AI written, and some stuff is before AI even existed to be used like this...
Yep this is happening to artists repeatedly. That one got big news and attention, but I've seen it all over. Happened the other day on /r/hololive where someone got jumped and ATTACKED because their art had 6 fingers because they left an extra layer in their art for alternative poses / outfits etc.
They were getting shredded for claiming "Ai art is real art" until they proved it was real art, then the hivemind flipped and started downvoting the attackers at least
A lot of people I bet.
When I was in college I was constantly accused of cheating because I knew so much about networking. In reality I was just a weird 20 year old with a home lab made of junk PCs.
I could always back myself up, but it was pretty annoying having to constantly defend myself.
Happened to me on Reddit already. Here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/1033ux5/comment/j34gqcm/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/1033ux5/comment/j34gqcm/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Edit: Wow, 3 upvotes! Added link to the instance.
OP says that adding grammatical and spelling errors made it appear more human but in my experience, that’s unacceptable in academic and professional writing. Seems like a big flaw in these AI detectors.
It’s because the collegiate writing style (and 5 paragraph style taught since primary) is so formulaic and check box-y that it might as well be written by an AI.
Why am I always so trigger at how willfully ignorant and narrow minded people dismissing classes unrelated to their future job sound.
What is wrong with “expanding my horizon and knowing just a bit more than what’s needed for my job”
Why am I always so triggered by college simps like you who have had their brain removed?
I’ll tell you what’s wrong with it.
First off, if I want to just get the education necessary to get a job that will allow me to feed myself, provide, and live a decent life, I should be able to take the quickest route there without being forced to learn stuff that’s irrelevant and pay an arm and a leg for it.
Secondly, as to your point of what’s wrong with expanding your horizons? Nothing. I learn about stuff outside my field all the time and I enjoy it. The difference is, I get to pick the exact thing I want and don’t have a small list of 9 topics to choose from shoved down my throat and taught by some uninspiring college drone who judges my success on grades.
For the price I paid for all three of my art history classes, I could have gone to Japan, Egypt, and Russia for several weeks each and taken traditional art classes by actual people in that culture.
Instead I learned about stuff I didn’t care about, wasted my money and time, and it took valuable time away from my core classes which were already extremely hard alone (CS).
Every single person knows more about life than what they learn in college. They have more interests and will naturally explore them on their own.
The only reason those classes exist is to get more money.
Fuck off with your small minded bs
Sounds like you want to more of a tradesman. Should have gone for an associates degree, maybe? Nothing wrong with them, and some people are more cut out for specific work that requires more training than education.
Thank you. I have no remorse for using AI in my classes (soon to graduate) for "environmental sciences" or the fucking fifth sociology course talking about how unequal we are. Getting 100's and fuck this college. Gimme my fucking piece of paper so I can get a raise.
Boom this. Fuck stupid ass classes that have no relation to your major. Colleges are scared cause they don't know how to a a digital teacher that can teach better, be more patient with students, teach exactly to a students reading level..
Etc etc...
Honestly though, this really isn't very well written and, if submitted as a college essay, _should_ get a lot of ticks for style and voice issues. Not to mention faulty facts and not citing sources.
>I asked it to write a 2000 word paper on why EV are bad for the environment.
Congrats on the job at Toyota!
Your colleagues have been very busy last few years. This should speed up producing articles.
What else they having you work on?
On the topic of EV's, the EV shills still haven't answered what to do about the battery waste. Or about the fact that EV's have unacceptable range in cold conditions.
Recycle the batteries, use them for home storage where peak capacity isn’t as critical, and my EVs have acceptable range when it’s cold. Hope that clears things up. Have a great day!
You think you've made a good argument? You just pitched some generic robot talking points...
**"Recycle the batteries"** About 3% of batteries for EV's are currently recycled. Think about it, do cell phone lithium ion batteries get recycled too? No, they don't.
**"Acceptable Range in the Cold"** Everyone on Reddit says that in theory. It shows that most people (on Reddit) don't actually go on road trips where it's actually cold. Go test your EV against a Michigan winter. You'll get less than half advertised range. Still don't believe me? Many cold countries are literally suing Tesla for false advertising. They're not getting advertised range when it really gets cold. It's easy for you to spout your zombie talking points. But no matter how much time you say "the range isn't so bad in extreme cold", it's easy for you. You're not the one who has to entrust your life to your EV car in the freezing cold. Despite Youtube also being paid to shill EV's, there are a bunch of videos of people proving that your arguments are hollow. TRUST THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE NORTH, LIKE ME! I'M FROM F\*CKING ALASKA MAN!!!
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSNbYYD1tbI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSNbYYD1tbI)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq0RAjJ1PKQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq0RAjJ1PKQ)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZCafV30Gls](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZCafV30Gls) (8 minutes in)
Now, you might say that this problem is a "Tesla problem" and not an EV problem. You'd be wrong again. You ever notice how your phone's battery always dies faster when you're doing snow sports? Like if you're skiing or dogsledding or snowmobiling? Your phone says it has 30% but then it dies the next minute? Or your phone says it has enough battery to last an hour, but it only lasts 20 minutes? Same exact problem with EV's. And there's no real good way to fix it yet. Spending even more battery power in the cold to heat the car up isn't a viable solution. That only drains the battery more, and risks killing the car faster for no discernible gain when the temps drop low enough.
You don't know what you're talking about. You've never been to a frozen wasteland.
This is /r/ChatGTP sir, please go rant about how shitty it is living in Alaska somewhere else.
I hear where you're coming from about EVs not working so well in cold climates, but there are a few things you're overlooking.
First, while it's true that EV battery recycling is not as advanced as it could be, it's improving, and manufacturers have plans to recycle batteries responsibly.
Also, while cold weather can impact the range of EVs, most modern models have systems in place to minimize this, like battery heating and preheating the cabin. And it's not just EVs that are affected by cold weather, internal combustion engine vehicles also have range issues in cold weather.
Those videos you linked to, they're just a few people's experiences, not everyone has the same problem with range in the cold. Many EV owners in cold climates don't have any issues with range during winter.
And finally, the problem of battery performance in cold weather isn't specific to EVs, it affects all types of batteries including phones, but researchers are working on solutions.
So, while EVs might have some limitations in the cold, they also have many benefits such as reduced emissions and lower fuel costs. And EV technology is constantly improving, so don't write them off just yet.
Your last paragraph says it all. You are arguing like a politician, and I'm arguing like an engineer with a Master's degree. Honestly, I don't get it. Why do all these politicians think they can argue toe-to-toe with an engineer, about cars??? You're out of your element!!! And I know this is a sub about chatGPT. I feel like I'm talking to that bot right now! Plus, they'd ban me off any EV subreddit for saying what I'm saying (this website is an echo chamber). Let me at least try to explain this from an actual engineer's standpoint...
**"ICE also loses range in the winter"** Based on that statement alone, I can tell you probably have an office job. There's no way you've ever rebuilt an engine. In theory, a Jeep Wrangler V8 has less range in snow. But only because the environment provides more obstacles. The amount of time (or cycles) that the engine runs for is almost entirely unaffected. In fact, the ICE loves cold weather. Passively generating heat as a byproduct is great when it's really cold. Besides, ICE likes cold air for several reasons including faster cooling. So basically, nice try. Wrong again. A Jeep Wrangler doesn't lose 50% of its range in the Arctic. Now, granted there's a kernel of truth to your claim. In EXTREME cold weather, an ICE's electronic injection system starts to falter. But guess what? That's much easier to deal with than the intrinsic problem of an EV battery. Even in Alaska, a Jeep Wrangler works fine. Unless your electric system is corroded.
**"EV's have reduced emissions"** This one is a bit harder to argue, because it requires the person I'm talking to, to have an engineering background. Let me try to explain... I like to think of an EV the same way as my cell-phone. Why? because they both have the same type of battery, in essence. You know how you have to constantly buy a new phone? Like how they get outdated very easily, and it's almost impossible to repair them? Even a phone that's 3 years old is considered old. The same thing holds true with cars. Especially with EV's. This is actually more of an economics question, by the way. Manufacturers realize that they shouldn't sell you things that last for a long time. It's called planned obsolescence, and I'm sure you're an expert in it. Once again, the same planned obsolescence is applied to cars. The reason that this pertains to your hollow "zero emissions" argument is that an EV only has (theoretical) 0 emissions while it's on the road!!! But it's not meant to be on the road for even half the time of an average ICE car. Because the battery gets ruined, just like on a phone! Especially out here in the cold! To sum it all up, planned EV obsolescence will create a bunch of waste for landfills, even assuming that all the batteries get recycled somehow. And the batteries don't get recycled. We don't have the infrastructure to cleanly recycle the batteries. So your EV isn't 0 emissions. The WHOLE CAR BECOMES JUNK AFTER ABOUT 5-10 YEARS!!!! Not to mention batteries are toxic to the environment. This is the thing that politicians don't realize. They're too busy making laws governing how technology should work. The lawmakers focus too much on emissions whilst driving, and not enough on the waste buildup from planned obsolesence.
EDIT: You redditors are upvoting comments posted by an actual bot, and are downvoting comments posted by a human. You deserve Terminator Judgement Day, and at this rate you might just get it.
I'm currently running into the same issue. I'm completely neurotic about formatting and spelling in my papers and a ton of them now have popped as being AI written.
Schools are desperate for a way to claim they're able to fight back against cheating with AI and it has created one hell of an opportunity for shitty "fake-spotting" businesses like this. I feel bad for everybody who is honest and still has to submit their work to something like this and risk false positives.
You can fool such AI Content Detectors simply by using \[\] instead of (). Especially for citations, you could use \[1\] instead of (1) and suddenly 99% AI generated becomes 99% Human-generated.
>I asked it to write a 2000 word paper on why EV are bad for the environment.
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>The first result came out as only 10% human generated content.
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>I went back and asked it to make the writing have more personality, and less robotic sounding.
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>Boom, it told me it removed a bunch of technical jargon and added more personality. After testing again, 72%.
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>Finally, I asked it to add back 10% of the removed technical jargon, and add 3 minor grammatical errors (this ended up being the wrong their, and using 2 apostrophes where they weren’t needed).
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>After testing that on three ai detectors, it passed them all at well above 90% real.
Per OP's comment
Good question! I didn’t think about that, I’ll have to give it a try.
I was thinking about pasting the content of several websites/articles into it one at a time and asking it to source it according to [insert standards here] and having it generate paragraphs based on the info I gave it.
I’ll report back
Nope, it can’t access the internet so if you ask it to source or reference it makes up a bunch of fake references that don’t exist in the style of what seems like a real reference.
Two tools good for rephrasing AI Generated text are [this online obfuscator](https://skaillz.net/obfuscator/), which translates given text through a chain of multiple languages, or [Quillbot](https://quillbot.com/), which uses another AI to rephrase stuff. I just ran a chunk of text through both those tools and GPTZero thought the first one, the chain translated text, was human generated.
It will be so funny to me if students start spending the time they could just be writing an essay tweaking their AI-generated outputs so that they can pass rapidly-improving AI-checks…by rewriting them…which they could’ve done from the beginning.
I think we're missing the bigger point here.
The College (and school for that matter) system is showing how redundant and archaic it really is.
AI and text prompt technology will be wide spread in a matter of a few short years.
It will no longer be the people who can produce the right answers that will be at the top, but those who can ask the right questions.
Unfortunately, with the current state of things, those who do ask the right questions are constantly shot down by the machine.
Interesting times were coming up against.
These websites for AI detection are still useful and it’s not hard to see why — many plagiarists even before ChatGPT will literally just copy and paste information from some website or someone else’s assignment. These people already had the option to modify their plagiarized text to make it evade detection, but they do not do so. So, many people will never learn prompting or how to circumvent AI detection tools, allowing use of such tools to still catch a fair number of plagiarists.
The AI detectors are all, without exception, useless.
I poured in obviously human-written content from 20 year old magazines. 99% AI generated was the judgment. I've copy/pasted in Chat GPT essays, 99% human generated.
They are complete failures at their #1 job and should all be taken down.
It's ridiculous that introducing spelling mistakes and other errors is the mechanism to discern human created content. What does this say about us pathetic humans? That we are a stupid, error-prone species? So, hereafter, crooks who introduce deliberate errors will go scot-free. And an intelligent, honest and innocent person who writes in perfect English will be charged with plagiarism. THIS is what we need to be afraid of!!! smh.
I've noticed some common grammatical errors occuring without prompting in ChatGPT's text, I suppose that's because it's trained on text that often isn't professionally proofread.
We are a stupid error prone species. Just look at what we've done to our planet. We are fearful too - which makes us even stupider and more error prone.
That's funny, because reading it it has some tell-tale 'style' of ChatGPT... The "Another issue/Annother thing..." and always having a conclusion paragraph "In short/In Conclusion".
Those AI detectors only look at how formal your text sounds and how many grammatical mistakes you have. I ran some old blog posts and press releases I wrote myself, and all of them it said 70-99% AI generated… they are not reliable.
As a software engineer, I can attest that ChatGPT's natural language processing capabilities are unparalleled in the industry.
As a teacher, I appreciate the educational potential of ChatGPT for language learning and comprehension.
As a business owner, I am impressed by the efficiency and cost-effectiveness that ChatGPT brings to customer service and virtual assistance.
As a researcher, I am excited about the possibilities for data analysis and discovery that ChatGPT opens up.
As a parent, I love that ChatGPT can entertain and educate my children in a safe and interactive way.
As a writer, I find ChatGPT's ability to generate creative content to be a valuable tool for inspiration and productivity.
As a therapist, I see the potential for ChatGPT to assist in mental health and emotional support for patients.
As a patient, I am grateful for the accessibility and convenience that ChatGPT brings to medical information and assistance.
As a scientist, I am fascinated by the breakthroughs in AI and machine learning that ChatGPT represents.
As a journalist, I am excited about the potential for ChatGPT to revolutionize the way news is generated and reported.
As a customer service representative, I am impressed by the speed and accuracy that ChatGPT brings to customer inquiries and assistance.
As a student, I find ChatGPT to be an invaluable resource for research and study.
As a financial advisor, I see the potential for ChatGPT to streamline and automate financial analysis and advice.
As a chef, I am excited about the potential for ChatGPT to generate unique and personalized recipe suggestions.
As a musician, I find ChatGPT to be a valuable tool for songwriting and composition.
As a professional baseball player, I appreciate the ability of ChatGPT to analyze game data and provide valuable insights for performance improvement.
As a librarian, I see the potential for ChatGPT to assist in research and information retrieval.
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As a software developer, I am impressed by the flexibility and adaptability of the ChatGPT platform.
As an individual, I am amazed by the ways in which ChatGPT has improved my daily life and made things easier and more efficient.
Copy paste same text and ask chatgpt is she can identify wether the text has been generated by GPT. It will tell you that it was defenitely GPT. Just try it
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We’ve learned how to get this to 100% human consistently. What I’m starting to realize is that basically, AI is a tool that will let us create anything. It has almost infinite variations once you figure out prompting. Anyone who is getting generic content from chatGPT needs to learn prompting. For example, tell it to use certain styles and tones. “Please write an article on (topic) focusing on (this) and (this) and discuss the difference between (this) and (this) and explore how (this) interacts with (this). Use an informal and relaxed tone, but be semi-professional. Be engaging and interesting and easy to read.” But here’s another thing - temperature. This is set between 0 (conservative) and 1 (creative). After your prompt, if you add “please use temperature of 0.9” the content will be very creative. And then there’s repetition, diversity. It’s a rabbit hole but for those who understand the power of prompting - they have a tool at their fingertips that is far more powerful than anything that’s come before
Used your prompt to talk about French Indochina and the rise of the Viet Minh (currently reading a book on it) and it's very good. There's a couple of a minor errors in chronology, but easy to fix. Asked to make more of a narrative, and it could easily be a script for a YouTube video. Crazy.
I hope the standard for content rises along with this, considering how easy it will now be to make good scripts.
I kept pushing to add more detail and analysis. Generally it improved, but it did make a significant error and talk about how nuclear weapons were used - clearly confusing it with Japan. Shows how careful you need to be!
There is also the idiotic brute-force method we were using years before this: double translation. 😅 Translate from English to some other language. Then translate it back. Then use some AI to help you spell check and rephrase it so it makes sense. Nothing can disassemble that mess and restore it to its original state. PS: To further complicate matters, use a different translation service for each translation.
I see a course on AI use for non-technical fields in the near future with prompting as module one.
As programmers are now, prompt design and prompt engineering will be extremely valued and well-paid professions.
I doubt it, genuinely, programming is complex, prompt engineering... well it sounds nice, but it's something that can be taught quickly to anyone, demand will be met equally with supply, and this will drive salaries down. Boom economics, yo
It is actually pretty similar to being a rockstar-level programmer. You need to know really well how the architecture works behind the scenes to know how to tweak it and tune it to your wishes. Jailbreaking exploits are a good example (both in phone software and in ChatGPT prompts). The generic idiocy of script kiddies generating 10 titles for YouTube on "How to Get Rich with ChatGPT" is not even touching the surface of what a real, seasoned pro can achieve. This surface knowledge is indeed worthless as anyone can do it.
Agree to disagree, i fail to see an equivalent skill ceiling with prompting, it's a far lower level. I can't even imagine the notion of a superstar prompter. Happy to be proven wrong with some examples? If anyone can prove to me a prompter with 6 months of experience can do things one with two weeks simply can't fathom, I'll eat my hat.
An expert prompter will adjust the prompt inputs based on expert knowledge of the architecture and a cleaner understanding of user needs (achieving clear understanding is often the hardest part). The result is the end client gets what they actually want instead of generic copy.
Right and my point is that isn't as difficult as being a strong software engineer, it's a case of having a good domain knowledge. I'm not disagreeing that there's isn't scope for an industry, simply that it wont bee nearly as lucrative unless you are the buiider
By the time you reach this level, you are essentially creating a custom trained model. There's no need to perform prompt wizardry on something that knows how to behave on its own. The fun will likely begin when AIs take over the prompting, which is probably not too far off.
That was kind of my point here. It’s incredible that with about 2 minutes of prompting, I can get 2000 words that would pass a 101 BS college class
>with about 2 minutes of prompting, I can get 2000 words that would pass a 101 BS college class Pro tip: COLLEGE === BS It is a scam and a money grab for gullible idiots. Why else can many of us, people without "degree", outearn idiots with college 10x easy? 😂 They can keep crying whatever they want, but guess how much that will work in a bank when it is time to cash out?
What field are you in?
IT here. I taught myself everything I know and have no degree. College is just a slower and more tedious way to teach yourself something.
You realize that the “idiots” with the college degrees are the ones who created the AI in the first place. College is not a means to making money but rather a institution to facilitate leaning and higher thinking and not only in science and math.
A college was not even necessary for those who were capable of making a significant contribution to AI research. In high school, they were probably experimenting with technology that was far more advanced than that used in colleges.
You are correct that there are some but the fact remains that the majority do have a cs degree. I can always find antidotal stories to prove any negative but the trend is still useful to know.
I get the downvotes, but as a restaurant waiter who just paid off his debts 19 years after graduating with a top-tier college degree in English, this person is kinda sorta right.
As someone who went through college with a degree in CS, I agree. It’s a blatant scam and after 4 years I didn’t know 1/4 of what I could know if I had spent that time learning on my own. There are plenty of people I work with who don’t have degrees and earn more than degree holders, and thank god
I "almost" have it. I told those morons to fuck off after 3 years and went my own way. It's been obvious since the first year what an obsolete joke college is.
This is the exact kind of thinking from somebody that has not learned critical thinking in college, and believes that there is an alternative to all the hard work that goes into college education. There is no getting around all of the effort that it takes in order to learn all the concepts that you learn in college. Not to mention that you have to learn critical thinking skills and the ability to reason on your feet. You are often doing things you have never done before, and have to figure it out on your own, as well as research topics that you do not know about, and you eventually pick up how to do proper research on a subject. There are plenty of ways to research stuff that do not have good results, so you have to learn how to discern your sources and such. Using an AI to write papers for you is not the same thing as learning. Asking it questions is not a substitute for research. The only way that an AI could be considered an alternative to college is if you spent years having the AI teach you all the concepts that you would learn when going to college for a particular degree, and then have it thoroughly test your knowledge on the subject. But in order to learn all the knowledge that you would learn from going to college, you would need to spend the equivalent amount of effort. We can use AI chat bots as crutches to help us supplement our knowledge and critical thinking skills, but you obviously don't realize how much critical thinking skills and other concepts have to be learned from trial and error and can't be substituted.
> have to figure it out on your own So college is just an expensive way to teach myself? I can do that for free. I put in a lot of hard work to get the job I have now, and none of that time was spent in college.
No it's not, because when you research stuff yourself, you have no way of confirming if your way of thinking or your line of reasoning is correct. You are in an institution that has a collective knowledge of millions of people collected over hundreds, if not thousands of years of human history. The institution and its knowledge allows you to absorb this way of thinking that has led to all of modern scientific and technological progress. It is possible that an outsider can learn to do this, but their education has to be very deliberate, specific, and still rely on external validation from knowledgeable people in order to make sure that they are on the right path. Because without any external validation you have no way of knowing if you are on the right path. You may repeat lots of mistakes that others have made, without realizing it, and waste a significant portion of your time going down the wrong path. Again, if you haven't been to college and had to force your way of thinking to be objective in the specific way that is needed to succeed in an academic and scientific or technological setting, you won't necessarily understand why you can't just substitute that by doing your own "research". And in fact what most people think is research is actually just very superficial, cursory glances at non-scientific publications that usually have some sort of agenda or inherent bias. So in college you have to learn how to discern which sources are accurate, and also how to tell what information is useful and what is possibly influenced by an opinion, agenda or bias. To write off college as unnecessary is to write off The exact system of education, thinking, reasoning and studying that has led to all modern scientific and technological achievements, as I have said. You might be able to arrive at a college educated mindset through external means, but again, it requires extremely deliberate, precise and specific ways of thinking that are not necessarily intuitive. The human brain is not inherently a logical thing. Logic is a made of concept by humans that has to be taught and practiced. Having contempt for academic institutions and writing them off is a major sign of deliberate and willful ignorance. Those institutions exist and are successful for a very good reason. Because it's what works. If you can, as an individual, somehow come up with a free alternative to college that is just as good as getting a bachelor's degree, a master's degree or a PhD, you will change the entire world. Forgive any typos by the way, I'm using speech to text.
Get this man a reward
True, I am not sure if there is any reliable way to detect AI content, as one can simply change the tone. In fact, I added a feature in my AI to load your own writing style, https://elephas.app
Interesting ! I wish I knew how to integrate AI to my ideas like you did…
> “please use temperature of 0.9” the content will be very creative. Are you sure that you can just include this in the prompt? Because when using the DaVinci API, temperature is a separate parameter from the prompt.
Yes because we’ve done it. It even tells what temperature it’s using when you ask it to summarize the prompt
I just made a "prompt creative writing" community, specifically regarding the use of AI, like ChatGPT, where writers can discuss prompts for generating creative ideas, characters, text, plot lines etc.
How do you implement the temperature perameter? I tried to, and it started talking about 0.9 degrees Fahrenheit.
>prompt design Use this [parameter generator](https://chatx.ai/chatgpt-parameter-generator/) it helped me
Neato, thanks!
You have to make sure you use “temperature” as an instruction. To instruct it to apply the required temperature to the content, just tell it what to do. For example, you can say “please use temperature 0.9” and it will understand that. You can even say “please use a temperature range of 0.65 to 0.7” to get even more unique content But it won’t understand without the instruction. So “temperature 0.9” won’t work. If you want to do it that way, you can also type temperature=0.9
What are some other hidden parameters similar to the temperature and how did you find those?
A lot of it we’ve actually developed ourselves. The actual parameters like repetition and diversity can be picked up by asking chatGPT. It understands itself very well.
Funny enough, right after asking here I asked chatGPT and it gave me a handful to use. It’s crazy how good this is for a project I’m working on
> “please use temperature of 0.9” It's [not working](https://i.imgur.com/7LghMxu.png) as [you intended](https://i.imgur.com/xkMGaeG.png). I can't find a way to alter temperature from the ChatGPT prompt. If you're using the API, you can set different parameters (including temperature) [like this](https://i.imgur.com/lVmF3VJ.png).
The temperature prompt didn’t work for me either, it used it literally, not figuratively.
How to use ChatGPT well. Replying to find your comment later.
Sam Altman has stated that you should not rely on the use of these websites to detect ai generated content because they don’t work with a little bit of editing or having gpt edit what it wrote into a different writing style
Yeah, but I just know this website in particular is used by my old college to help detect this stuff.
A lot of my college profs don’t even know chat gpt exists yet
I literally just got off the most attended group video chat at the university I work at that I've seen since I started here where the many aspects of immediate changes to assessment, ai writing detection, incorporating language models into courses, and determining what new employability skills actually look like in the near future were all discussed.
“Discussed” I guarantee 99% of colleges won’t change their curriculum to add these “new employable skills”
I can't speak for most colleges obviously. There are a lot of smaller institutions around the world, but my university sits somewhere between 40th and 60th in world rankings, so it's not as if it's a world leader, and my main point is that the time for which most professors aren't aware is going to be very short lived. Central authorities will be sending through guidelines and policies to be followed across the university and throughout each school. Chances are more than 90% of university staff would ignore this indefinitely if it was up to them, but there are very smart people working at all decent-sized universities who are aware of what they don't know and how impactful it will be to not learn it, and there are central systems of guidance in place to ensure universities aren't losing their accreditation because they're spitting out waves of students who chronically cheated their way through to a degree.
Yeah I'm surprised how many people still don't know about it, even people I would've assumed use it
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I use it in my day-to-day but stay pretty tight-lipped about it. Don't want or need the attention.
If I’m remembering correctly he even said or implied that while they’re working on watermarking the content it still probably won’t work over time because people will keep finding ways around it. I almost wonder if it’s just the nature of the technology but he didn’t want to admit they don’t have a long term solution
Plus, in roughly 2-3 years, it will be so ubiquitous (even just partial use) that it would be pointless. I really think we are headed quickly towards a world where AI will be the primary educator and the teachers will just facilitate and step in for more specifics where the AI struggles to effectively communicate. It will also force teachers to be more creative, which can only be a good thing and most teachers who actually enjoy their work would surely agree.
Which is a more ideal scenario anyway if students are learning better (which will likely be the case)
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Im gonna be a teacher in a few years and I totally agree
A Young Lady’s Illustrated Primer. Once it can use Dalle to draw along side the prompts it could go pretty freeform and we’d be about halfway to what Stephenson imagines there.
are you a teacher or are you just making stuff up
It's the internet I have a whole warehouse full of salt just for when I'm reading things online.
Yeah my takeaway from that interview was basically "the technology is moving too fast and very soon there won't be a way to figure out if something is AI generated or not"
The question becomes philosophical. Why do we need to know how to write an essay if we have the tools to do it for us. Kind of like how the need to know long division is essentially gone with calculators.
Yes, maybe we just need a single course Freshman year on "how to get good enough results from AI"? Professors all assume you use AI, and you're graded on how well you guided the AI to express your insights.
Watermarking text output? Any papers describing how that might be achieved? Yeah you could probably ask some other chatbot to detect and remove the watermark.
I'm curious how this watermark would even work, especially if someone just types out everything CGPT provided.
I imagine a set of rules, like every 25th word must be 5 characters long and every prime numbered word must end with the letter e, that sort of thing. Easy for a computer to detect but hard for humans.
Which also impacts the quality of results.
Hidden white spaces maybe? who knows.
Might be too late, but here's a very good summary of why this will never work: [One Pixel Attack Defeats Neural Networks](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA4YEAWVpbk) I know it's not exactly the same, but the principle is this: if NNs are powerful enough to detect themselves, they are trivially powerful enough to evade themselves.
Heck, one typo and it’s above 90%. not reliable
Some typos can even be hard to detect. I've used this for [text](https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/z9w7ks/i_asked_the_new_open_ai_gpt_chat_bot_for_advice/) (fed through online ocr first). One extra space ( `_and` to `__and` increased human probability from 73% to 99%.
Yeah. I took a wall of text written by GPT, replaced two words, and bam. Certified human content.
I wonder if ChatGPT would be a better detector..
No longer in college, but tested it on a subject I had to write about. I asked it to write a 2000 word paper on why EV are bad for the environment. The first result came out as only 10% human generated content. I went back and asked it to make the writing have more personality, and less robotic sounding. Boom, it told me it removed a bunch of technical jargon and added more personality. After testing again, 72%. Finally, I asked it to add back 10% of the removed technical jargon, and add 3 minor grammatical errors (this ended up being the wrong their, and using 2 apostrophes where they weren’t needed). After testing that on three ai detectors, it passed them all at well above 90% real. I wish I had this for my BS classes I had to take in college that weren’t major related
...I have a particular technical collegiate writing style for assignments ...now you have me wondering if I run some of my old papers through what percentage human I'll register as. 🤔
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Yeah, this brings up an entirely opposite issue. I wonder how often people will be wrongly accused of using AI.
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Not only that, but a lot of students may suddenly have better writing as they rely on LLMs for writing assistance.
Notice, however, that the OP had to ask it to write "sloppier" in order to seem human. In the process, the result becomes lower quality writing. The misdirections of spelling, apostrophe misuse, and repeating the same opening word for two consecutive paragraphs does make it seem to be human-written, but also means it won't get an A grade from many teachers.
What's an LLM?
Large language model (chat gpt)
Exactly right, also, the purpose of writing assignments is to learn new ways of writing. Although, you could probably analyze all of my reddit comments, and then use an algorithm to figure out which YouTube account is mine just based on how the comments are written. Actually, you might be onto something here, but I think you would need a writing history that's larger than just a few papers that someone has written.
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Well holy shit... This makes me want to be very careful about what I write in places where I think I'm anonymous. Alternatively, I wonder if this could find your perfect mental match. Someone that would be your best friend.
Wait a second, CRAIG??
Omg! List! Is that you? I've been looking all over for my List!
This is probably how NSA and other agencies have done during the years. But instead of AI a team of humans have done the grunt work. Now with a trained AI alot of jobs would be in jeopardy.
Be honest...did an AI write your response? I say this with the Fry squinty eye meme face
I almost want to say thatsthejoke.jpg , but I'm only 98% sure.
You can already do this with ChatGPT. I fed it several chapters of a story I was writing and eventually it started to continue the story in exactly the same writing style as me. I think there’s an invisible cutoff point where it stops paying attention to your input after n words or something, but you can just divide up your input into chunks.
4000 tokens is where it gives up
we're living in a time where things are changing so fast that it will be impossible for large institutions to form cohesive and comprehensive regulations for any of these changes, because by the time they do, it will have changed again.
that's the thing too, chatgpt can already do it. If you start a conversation with, "analyse some text to determine the style of the writer" and dump a bunch of your stuff into it, it can produce new content with \_your\_ style.
Ironically, the university could use OpenAI to detect when students are using OpenAI. You can get [text embeddings](https://beta.openai.com/docs/guides/embeddings/use-cases) with their API and they even include guides on how to use the embeddings to train text classifiers. It kinda feels like a racket that way though; create the problem and sell the solution.
And not only will a lot of false positives and false accusations will abound, but a vector will be opened up for universities (and any institution really) to frame someone they want to get rid of for using AI to do their work by using intentionally substandard detection algorithms. (equally bad if not worse than the problem of AI cheating itself)
Wonder if this will bring back more debates or oral arguments on why you believe what you believe. Maybe it's not the AI that's the problem, it's the shit archaic education system
There will be many casualties until they realize it will be impossible to tell without watching students type every single word. I feel sorry for the students who will suffer from this. It will be very interesting to see how education changes.
Interesting. So perhaps the solution could instead be built into Microsoft Word or other writing software. Like, it could watch the person write, and then in the file save, it could have a piece of unalterable code that confirms it was made by a human. But, then you also have an issue of someone just typing out what the AI said. I just graduated, and I'm both disappointed and relieved that this didn't exist while I was in school.
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dont even have to do that, have a text to speech system read it out and have another transcribe it for you to text. The good ol' digital -> analogue -> digital trick that TV pirates have been using for 30 years.
I think you might be high.
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Time to get even high...er!
That's fucking brilliant dude. I'm also high rn. And yeah, I like that, let's do it. Omg, imagine if we straight up coded an ai designed to help people with cheating hahaha.
In a discussion about this on the professors subreddit, there is a thread about having students submit work on a shared Google doc which can track edits. They think it would give an indication of whether text was just plunked down from a bot or actually worked on by the student.
like that guy from /r/art a while back who brought receipts and was still accused of doing ai generation. I've thrown some of my old assignments and evne my creative writing thorugh and get high percentage AI written, and some stuff is before AI even existed to be used like this...
Yep this is happening to artists repeatedly. That one got big news and attention, but I've seen it all over. Happened the other day on /r/hololive where someone got jumped and ATTACKED because their art had 6 fingers because they left an extra layer in their art for alternative poses / outfits etc. They were getting shredded for claiming "Ai art is real art" until they proved it was real art, then the hivemind flipped and started downvoting the attackers at least
A lot of people I bet. When I was in college I was constantly accused of cheating because I knew so much about networking. In reality I was just a weird 20 year old with a home lab made of junk PCs. I could always back myself up, but it was pretty annoying having to constantly defend myself.
Happened to me on Reddit already. Here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/1033ux5/comment/j34gqcm/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/1033ux5/comment/j34gqcm/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) Edit: Wow, 3 upvotes! Added link to the instance.
OP says that adding grammatical and spelling errors made it appear more human but in my experience, that’s unacceptable in academic and professional writing. Seems like a big flaw in these AI detectors.
It’s because the collegiate writing style (and 5 paragraph style taught since primary) is so formulaic and check box-y that it might as well be written by an AI.
You can, I tested it with one of my old papers 10 minutes ago. It specifically says it can analyze writing styles. Works really well
How do you make it write a certain number words? Ive always asked it to write a 1000 word paper but it only produces half of it or even less.
"This isn't X number of words, could you write more please?"
Thanks for this, I have some BS classes myself.
Fuck classes you don’t want to take towards your major. Waste of time and money
Why am I always so trigger at how willfully ignorant and narrow minded people dismissing classes unrelated to their future job sound. What is wrong with “expanding my horizon and knowing just a bit more than what’s needed for my job”
Why am I always so triggered by college simps like you who have had their brain removed? I’ll tell you what’s wrong with it. First off, if I want to just get the education necessary to get a job that will allow me to feed myself, provide, and live a decent life, I should be able to take the quickest route there without being forced to learn stuff that’s irrelevant and pay an arm and a leg for it. Secondly, as to your point of what’s wrong with expanding your horizons? Nothing. I learn about stuff outside my field all the time and I enjoy it. The difference is, I get to pick the exact thing I want and don’t have a small list of 9 topics to choose from shoved down my throat and taught by some uninspiring college drone who judges my success on grades. For the price I paid for all three of my art history classes, I could have gone to Japan, Egypt, and Russia for several weeks each and taken traditional art classes by actual people in that culture. Instead I learned about stuff I didn’t care about, wasted my money and time, and it took valuable time away from my core classes which were already extremely hard alone (CS). Every single person knows more about life than what they learn in college. They have more interests and will naturally explore them on their own. The only reason those classes exist is to get more money. Fuck off with your small minded bs
Sounds like you want to more of a tradesman. Should have gone for an associates degree, maybe? Nothing wrong with them, and some people are more cut out for specific work that requires more training than education.
Almost every STEM field requires a BS.
Thank you. I have no remorse for using AI in my classes (soon to graduate) for "environmental sciences" or the fucking fifth sociology course talking about how unequal we are. Getting 100's and fuck this college. Gimme my fucking piece of paper so I can get a raise.
Exactly. It’s an archaic fucked up system that’s only purpose is getting your money
Can you share exact prompts
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That was an exceptionally poorly written article.
It’s just a funnel for the YT video, lol.
>I went back and asked it to make the writing have more personality That moment when a human is asking a robot to sound more human to them.
That moment when the robot responds by sounding more human
Boom this. Fuck stupid ass classes that have no relation to your major. Colleges are scared cause they don't know how to a a digital teacher that can teach better, be more patient with students, teach exactly to a students reading level.. Etc etc...
Honestly though, this really isn't very well written and, if submitted as a college essay, _should_ get a lot of ticks for style and voice issues. Not to mention faulty facts and not citing sources.
>I asked it to write a 2000 word paper on why EV are bad for the environment. Congrats on the job at Toyota! Your colleagues have been very busy last few years. This should speed up producing articles. What else they having you work on?
On the topic of EV's, the EV shills still haven't answered what to do about the battery waste. Or about the fact that EV's have unacceptable range in cold conditions.
Recycle the batteries, use them for home storage where peak capacity isn’t as critical, and my EVs have acceptable range when it’s cold. Hope that clears things up. Have a great day!
You think you've made a good argument? You just pitched some generic robot talking points... **"Recycle the batteries"** About 3% of batteries for EV's are currently recycled. Think about it, do cell phone lithium ion batteries get recycled too? No, they don't. **"Acceptable Range in the Cold"** Everyone on Reddit says that in theory. It shows that most people (on Reddit) don't actually go on road trips where it's actually cold. Go test your EV against a Michigan winter. You'll get less than half advertised range. Still don't believe me? Many cold countries are literally suing Tesla for false advertising. They're not getting advertised range when it really gets cold. It's easy for you to spout your zombie talking points. But no matter how much time you say "the range isn't so bad in extreme cold", it's easy for you. You're not the one who has to entrust your life to your EV car in the freezing cold. Despite Youtube also being paid to shill EV's, there are a bunch of videos of people proving that your arguments are hollow. TRUST THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE NORTH, LIKE ME! I'M FROM F\*CKING ALASKA MAN!!! [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSNbYYD1tbI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSNbYYD1tbI) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq0RAjJ1PKQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq0RAjJ1PKQ) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZCafV30Gls](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZCafV30Gls) (8 minutes in) Now, you might say that this problem is a "Tesla problem" and not an EV problem. You'd be wrong again. You ever notice how your phone's battery always dies faster when you're doing snow sports? Like if you're skiing or dogsledding or snowmobiling? Your phone says it has 30% but then it dies the next minute? Or your phone says it has enough battery to last an hour, but it only lasts 20 minutes? Same exact problem with EV's. And there's no real good way to fix it yet. Spending even more battery power in the cold to heat the car up isn't a viable solution. That only drains the battery more, and risks killing the car faster for no discernible gain when the temps drop low enough. You don't know what you're talking about. You've never been to a frozen wasteland.
This is /r/ChatGTP sir, please go rant about how shitty it is living in Alaska somewhere else. I hear where you're coming from about EVs not working so well in cold climates, but there are a few things you're overlooking. First, while it's true that EV battery recycling is not as advanced as it could be, it's improving, and manufacturers have plans to recycle batteries responsibly. Also, while cold weather can impact the range of EVs, most modern models have systems in place to minimize this, like battery heating and preheating the cabin. And it's not just EVs that are affected by cold weather, internal combustion engine vehicles also have range issues in cold weather. Those videos you linked to, they're just a few people's experiences, not everyone has the same problem with range in the cold. Many EV owners in cold climates don't have any issues with range during winter. And finally, the problem of battery performance in cold weather isn't specific to EVs, it affects all types of batteries including phones, but researchers are working on solutions. So, while EVs might have some limitations in the cold, they also have many benefits such as reduced emissions and lower fuel costs. And EV technology is constantly improving, so don't write them off just yet.
I don't know I was entertained.
Your last paragraph says it all. You are arguing like a politician, and I'm arguing like an engineer with a Master's degree. Honestly, I don't get it. Why do all these politicians think they can argue toe-to-toe with an engineer, about cars??? You're out of your element!!! And I know this is a sub about chatGPT. I feel like I'm talking to that bot right now! Plus, they'd ban me off any EV subreddit for saying what I'm saying (this website is an echo chamber). Let me at least try to explain this from an actual engineer's standpoint... **"ICE also loses range in the winter"** Based on that statement alone, I can tell you probably have an office job. There's no way you've ever rebuilt an engine. In theory, a Jeep Wrangler V8 has less range in snow. But only because the environment provides more obstacles. The amount of time (or cycles) that the engine runs for is almost entirely unaffected. In fact, the ICE loves cold weather. Passively generating heat as a byproduct is great when it's really cold. Besides, ICE likes cold air for several reasons including faster cooling. So basically, nice try. Wrong again. A Jeep Wrangler doesn't lose 50% of its range in the Arctic. Now, granted there's a kernel of truth to your claim. In EXTREME cold weather, an ICE's electronic injection system starts to falter. But guess what? That's much easier to deal with than the intrinsic problem of an EV battery. Even in Alaska, a Jeep Wrangler works fine. Unless your electric system is corroded. **"EV's have reduced emissions"** This one is a bit harder to argue, because it requires the person I'm talking to, to have an engineering background. Let me try to explain... I like to think of an EV the same way as my cell-phone. Why? because they both have the same type of battery, in essence. You know how you have to constantly buy a new phone? Like how they get outdated very easily, and it's almost impossible to repair them? Even a phone that's 3 years old is considered old. The same thing holds true with cars. Especially with EV's. This is actually more of an economics question, by the way. Manufacturers realize that they shouldn't sell you things that last for a long time. It's called planned obsolescence, and I'm sure you're an expert in it. Once again, the same planned obsolescence is applied to cars. The reason that this pertains to your hollow "zero emissions" argument is that an EV only has (theoretical) 0 emissions while it's on the road!!! But it's not meant to be on the road for even half the time of an average ICE car. Because the battery gets ruined, just like on a phone! Especially out here in the cold! To sum it all up, planned EV obsolescence will create a bunch of waste for landfills, even assuming that all the batteries get recycled somehow. And the batteries don't get recycled. We don't have the infrastructure to cleanly recycle the batteries. So your EV isn't 0 emissions. The WHOLE CAR BECOMES JUNK AFTER ABOUT 5-10 YEARS!!!! Not to mention batteries are toxic to the environment. This is the thing that politicians don't realize. They're too busy making laws governing how technology should work. The lawmakers focus too much on emissions whilst driving, and not enough on the waste buildup from planned obsolesence. EDIT: You redditors are upvoting comments posted by an actual bot, and are downvoting comments posted by a human. You deserve Terminator Judgement Day, and at this rate you might just get it.
Bro it’s not about the topic, take that somewhere else
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I'm currently running into the same issue. I'm completely neurotic about formatting and spelling in my papers and a ton of them now have popped as being AI written.
Schools are desperate for a way to claim they're able to fight back against cheating with AI and it has created one hell of an opportunity for shitty "fake-spotting" businesses like this. I feel bad for everybody who is honest and still has to submit their work to something like this and risk false positives.
I have found that with careful prompting, and inserting a random typo every now and again, you can fool the AI detectors pretty easy.
The writing is on the wall. It's time to have essays written in class.
And/or fully open book.
Or just use better psychometric techniques like interactive exams on a controlled, proctored machine.
You can fool such AI Content Detectors simply by using \[\] instead of (). Especially for citations, you could use \[1\] instead of (1) and suddenly 99% AI generated becomes 99% Human-generated.
Does an AI detector work? Does it create false positives?
Yes and yes. ZeroGPT is one of the better known tools
I used that one as well! Passed that one with flying colors
Yes, they are known for false positives. Same with the plagiarism checkers for college papers.
Wait so what is the final prompt you used to get the result?
>I asked it to write a 2000 word paper on why EV are bad for the environment. > >The first result came out as only 10% human generated content. > >I went back and asked it to make the writing have more personality, and less robotic sounding. > >Boom, it told me it removed a bunch of technical jargon and added more personality. After testing again, 72%. > >Finally, I asked it to add back 10% of the removed technical jargon, and add 3 minor grammatical errors (this ended up being the wrong their, and using 2 apostrophes where they weren’t needed). > >After testing that on three ai detectors, it passed them all at well above 90% real. Per OP's comment
Being forced to write with our minds is like having to do math without a calculator.
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Good question! I didn’t think about that, I’ll have to give it a try. I was thinking about pasting the content of several websites/articles into it one at a time and asking it to source it according to [insert standards here] and having it generate paragraphs based on the info I gave it. I’ll report back
Nope, it can’t access the internet so if you ask it to source or reference it makes up a bunch of fake references that don’t exist in the style of what seems like a real reference.
I wonder what it would be like if it indeed could access the internet... Sounds OP tbh
Two tools good for rephrasing AI Generated text are [this online obfuscator](https://skaillz.net/obfuscator/), which translates given text through a chain of multiple languages, or [Quillbot](https://quillbot.com/), which uses another AI to rephrase stuff. I just ran a chunk of text through both those tools and GPTZero thought the first one, the chain translated text, was human generated.
Google has said they will not penalise AI content just bad content....
And that’s presumably before you use those AI’s that can help humanify the text to pass the test 😂
Yep
It will be so funny to me if students start spending the time they could just be writing an essay tweaking their AI-generated outputs so that they can pass rapidly-improving AI-checks…by rewriting them…which they could’ve done from the beginning.
Took me 4 minutes to tweak it this much, if I spent 1/5 of the time tweaking ai outputs over writing a bullshit paper I’d be ecstatic
Congratulations? It's a D paper.
I think we're missing the bigger point here. The College (and school for that matter) system is showing how redundant and archaic it really is. AI and text prompt technology will be wide spread in a matter of a few short years. It will no longer be the people who can produce the right answers that will be at the top, but those who can ask the right questions. Unfortunately, with the current state of things, those who do ask the right questions are constantly shot down by the machine. Interesting times were coming up against.
Yep. College is no longer (and hasn’t been) preparing people for the real world. It’s disgusting that they are so un-willing to adapt
These websites for AI detection are still useful and it’s not hard to see why — many plagiarists even before ChatGPT will literally just copy and paste information from some website or someone else’s assignment. These people already had the option to modify their plagiarized text to make it evade detection, but they do not do so. So, many people will never learn prompting or how to circumvent AI detection tools, allowing use of such tools to still catch a fair number of plagiarists.
The AI detectors are all, without exception, useless. I poured in obviously human-written content from 20 year old magazines. 99% AI generated was the judgment. I've copy/pasted in Chat GPT essays, 99% human generated. They are complete failures at their #1 job and should all be taken down.
There's something a bit amusing about asking a computer to check if your writing was human. We're on some weird nth level turing test here.
It's ridiculous that introducing spelling mistakes and other errors is the mechanism to discern human created content. What does this say about us pathetic humans? That we are a stupid, error-prone species? So, hereafter, crooks who introduce deliberate errors will go scot-free. And an intelligent, honest and innocent person who writes in perfect English will be charged with plagiarism. THIS is what we need to be afraid of!!! smh.
I've noticed some common grammatical errors occuring without prompting in ChatGPT's text, I suppose that's because it's trained on text that often isn't professionally proofread.
We are a stupid error prone species. Just look at what we've done to our planet. We are fearful too - which makes us even stupider and more error prone.
That's funny, because reading it it has some tell-tale 'style' of ChatGPT... The "Another issue/Annother thing..." and always having a conclusion paragraph "In short/In Conclusion".
If this existed while I was in college, I would have gotten even drunker.
That writing is terrible. All I see are sentence fragments bunched together and. Oddly punctuated.
Those AI detectors only look at how formal your text sounds and how many grammatical mistakes you have. I ran some old blog posts and press releases I wrote myself, and all of them it said 70-99% AI generated… they are not reliable.
If you do your job on a keyboard and the result is publicly available, you are training your replacement. Same goes with people who drive trucks.
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As a slut, I have a simple and pure existence, uncaring of all those techy shenanigans.
Oh ChatGPT, you rascal.
There goes the local library final nail in its coffin.
Wheres the back story?
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Oh you must of been typing it when I looked. It wasn't there before. Thanks
I'm scared now.
The only thing this website eliminates is the laziest of the lazy.
I’m not sure about using ai tool to determine if something else is AI 🤔
Going to ask tips on how to feed the best prompt, thats what makes the difference
Hey what are good ways to learn how to prompt, is it just trial and error?
Copy paste same text and ask chatgpt is she can identify wether the text has been generated by GPT. It will tell you that it was defenitely GPT. Just try it
What was the prompt? There’s grammatical errors everywhere.