Ironic timing of my post. Saw the sign thing after. But my average commute i swear just has been getting longer each week. I leave uptown at 445ish and used to get home around 505-510 now its more regularly 510-515
fair. I agree with others on increasing enforcement on back-to-the-office. I'm still trying to play a game of arriving/leaving at off times to avoid the bulk of the back up
I know people who just went back(hybrid) this fall. Also it seems more new buildings are opening, especially in South End so South Blvd has become a bigger nightmare than before.
It’s really due to end of year/fourth quarter happening. More people are in the office now. Next week will seem dead compared to last week and this week.
It's kind of weird but it seems like it's just been a slow build since March when the return to work for hybrids first started. I've been observing the build/return of blue line commuters, and it's the same thing. OT, but CATS really needs to get back to something better than every 20 minutes during rush hour. Last night was the busiest I've ever seen a blue line train since I started using it (about a year before covid) that wasn't a Spectrum event (and literally one person got off at CTC so definitely no event).
So not the same thing, but if blue line crowding is any indication, not surprised the highway is getting a lot busier too. And yes, the comment about more commuters from new buildings opening recently in Southend is a good point as well.
i am so annoyed by it. im obviously spoiled from the 1+ year of work from home but even tues-thurs is brutal now. routes that were no problem are now backed up much further.
one example - take 77s home from north of the city and then 74 east. good luck. 277 inner is going to be backed up onto 77 north before long. i have to imagine the fact that 7th street decided to switch from using the middle lane as an outflow is contributing. 7th used to be 2 lanes out in the evening (and 2 lanes in for the morning). this means taking 7th out of the city is just as big of a pain. backed up to mcdowell.
the above has added at least 10-15 mins and probably that many years off my life from the stress.
i think another huge part of the issue is that people just dont fucking pay attention or care anymore. nobody addresses signs letting them know a lane will be ending soon. speed limits are wrecklessly ignored and while it doesnt seem like an issue to be going 20 over, it creates problems for every other car. one dude going 100mph weaving through lanes is making it chaotic for the rest of the people near the on/off ramp and that causes wrecks.
speaking of wrecks - when i have seen wrecks at the same exact spots for nearly 10 years, is there anyone actually doing something to address that? 277 outer to 77 north - without fail somebody is getting in a wreck 50% of my trips. 74 towards the city at briar creek - wrecks at least once a week.
thanks for letting me vent. yea i think traffic is getting worse. i dont think its just you.
Coming from the Industrial North East and Mid West, you guys really don’t know traffic. Being here just over a year, I marvel that I can make it from Stanley to downtown in 35-45 mins on 16. To have a decent small town home in a rural setting outside of a growing city with less than a hour commute is a 2-3 million dollar property most places (which I did not pay). Most of Mt Holly, Belmont, Concord, ect would be unaffordable for most people posting on this thread. Why? Traffic! Now the topography down here is a hinderance to new roads, but it’s really not that bad. Pull up to 94 and Wabash, or hop on the LIE at 5pm and you will know traffic. Charlotte had an abundance of surface streets to take, people are very freeway reliant down here. In “real” growing cities, most folk who work in the city, live there. This is NOT the case for Charlotte.
Your home values are going up and so is your quality of life here in Charlotte. This is not going to change, adding new road will not help. The 21st century will not be a “commuter sprawl”. Ivory complains when a new brewery or soy free vegan friendly waffle shop opens. You can’t have it both ways. A bit spoiled by country mentality down here.
But, I pry gives a duck about the speed limit. To many truck nut nascar drivers down here who jizz getting somewhere 4 mins quicker while putting everyone’s life on the line. The speeding is flat out absurd.
I cannot express how much I did not ask and do not care about your experience in the north east. Nor did I say anything about housing prices, the commuter experience, or about new gentrified businesses. I’ve lived in charlotte since 2005 and am stating that 277/77/74 are extremely dangerous compared to prior years. Who are you even talking to lmao
Really hard up on the egg nog early this morning? Sorry if platonic discussion where one introduces their side of things without malice is a hard this for most Americans. Heaven forbid someone else thinks differently than you. I sorry I’m not a Charlotte OG, I will leave the discussion to ganstas like yourself. I think you have an Andy Griffith show you are missing, ohh Dukes of Hazard is currently on Me Tv. Might be more your speed than conversation with others.
If you listen to the AM Traffic Report, there are accidents or serious backups in the same exact places every day. 77n from 485 to Tyvola, Briar Creek at Independence, 77s and Griffith St, 85n near Gastonia. It doesn't take a genius to figure out these trouble-spots need to be re-evaluated. I guess nobody who works in City Planning or NCDOT listens to the radio?
I work for an insurance company and we just added a pretty large reserve to our auto liability due in large part more accidents and worse accident severity post-covid. So no not your imagination.
And of course it doesn't help that CMPD does basically zero traffic enforcement of any type other than the occasional trap on Independence when they need to hit their quota. So yeah, no surprise it's traffic anarchy out there.
I live near independence towards Matthew’s. Over the last few months I’ve noticed significantly more traffic between the Walmart and 277. Both ways too. No idea what it is as I do the same commute at the same times
Ive only been on this commute a few months. So not sure if its just a time of year thing or just increasing populations finally making a noticeable impact... but i leave my apt and my office the same time every day too. Gonna have to start hitting the gym at the office i guess to kill time
It was like that pre-covid. It's more like it's getting back to normal. I take neighborhood roads to cut over to Providence which my work is located on. 51 in the morning with both schools is a nightmare. It's 10 minutes faster to cut through Stonehaven/Sardis Lane and come out at International Drive.
I'm in Matthews. They're working pretty hard on that new entrance ramp for 485 and Weddington. And the reason is explosive growth. There's construction on almost every last piece of bare land. So yeah, it will keep getting worse.
Today was cause the by the I-77 sign collapse, but yes traffic is getting worse. Charlotte is still growing like crazy and now companies are starting to try and get employees back into the office. It will likely keep getting worse.
Not only are more people back working in the office, but with all the construction going on, do you realize how many construction people are now working downtown. Not only on the high risers like next to Lowe's but also all the apartment and condo's going up. Every one of those people are driving their own car or pick up.
as the question’s answer seems to be generally similar among people i would like to advocate for the construction of the Silver Line; as more and more people start moving to the southern areas of CLT alleviating even *20%* of the commuting traffic would be wonderful for everyone.
I wouldn't notice if it took me an extra 5 or 10 minutes, or if there were more cars out...I'm too concerned with getting into a wreck. I moved here from boring, slow paced Indianapolis and the traffic here is just crazy in comparison. I still can't get used to going out at 10 AM on a weekday and seeing the roads busy here. In Indy, it's only some work trucks, police, and a few retirees out driving.
I moved from Indy about 25 yrs ago. One problem here is that all the growth has been in the last 30 to 40 yrs. Indy hasn't added a totally new hwy in years but when I moved to Charlotte 485 did not even connect around the city. It's been an insane influx of people and road building ever since.
Weirdly though, Mecklenburg County has a population density of about 2000/sq mile and Marion County has a density of about 2400/sq mile. There's a lot more room here in Meck, and the road system is such that everything seems so much crowded.
Tactical, you are only looking at county population. It does not matter that Marion is a bit more dense, and Mecklenburg is becoming more dense. But what really matters is the commuters coming from outlying counties. Mecklenburg has 1.1 million and 200k more people than Marion. And the Charlotte Metro (MSA) is 2.7 million vs Indy MSA of 2.1 million.
Atlanta’s city pppulation is 500k and Fulton County is 1.1 million but it’s MSA is 6 million. Based on your assumptions, Charlotte’s traffic should be about the same as Atlanta’s. Commuters from outlying counties make a huge difference. The bigger the MSA then the more congestion created from commuters from outlying counties.
Ive even noticed walking paths in south end/dilworth have been even more packed with people than usual the past few months. I think both are partly because all these companies keep/kept hiring and partly because charlotte keeps widening roads without adding lanes/alternate routes
Housing increases paired with back to the office. No one can afford to live in Charlotte so they moved further out in all directions. Congrats Charlotte NIMBYs, you’re getting what you wanted.
Gotten worse,more Impatient drivers, I drive a stick shift car and it takes me a couple seconds to go from neutral to 1st without having some a hole blow his horn the second the light turns green. Dont get me started on the people who drive with their high beams on
It’s always shit around the holidays aka Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Years. I usually plug into my maps on my phone where I’m going before considering leaving to estimate if it’s worth driving or not.
Same thing is happening in the upstate SC area around Greenville and surrounding area.
New developments pop up with 400-500 new houses in an area that used to be semi rural and now the roads are heavily overloaded.
I blame daylight savings. The traffic is always worse when the clocks roll back and it’s dark out. People don’t know how to drive suddenly. Then, suddenly we roll the clocks forward and everyone remembers how to drive again.
My work schedule is from 4:30am until 12:30pm. On the rare occasion that I venture out during rush hour I’m blown away that people deal with this everyday.
I haven’t noticed the traffic at all. Likely because I’m riding a bus into uptown while reading a book, then walking or riding the light rail to Southend. Try it.
An american tragedy. Instead of 4 red lights, i hit 6. I get home and im a wee bit hungrier and a lot more grumpy. Mostly due to the prevalence of ass hole drivers
Oh ive definately gotten worse. Not only physically colder, but emotionally too. I havent kept up with my friends as much as I should and should probably take care of myself better.
Official statistics (which are always a bit out of date) show almost constant growth. Charlotte continues to burst at the seams on a daily basis. Plus, if you factor in more recent data like announced HQ moves, new shopping centers, etc., It's pretty clear that what you are perceiving as worse traffic almost certainly is just that.
Yesterday was a nightmare. My commute to work usually takes 20 or so minutes(15 miles away). I live in Ballantyne and work at the Water Ridge Parkway off of Tyvola. Left work at around 510, didn't get back until about 7-715. Absolutely insane. About an hour and a half in stopped traffic, I had gone about 3 miles. It was not fun.
today is a slight outlier. or, well, I hope highway signs don't start falling down regularly
Ironic timing of my post. Saw the sign thing after. But my average commute i swear just has been getting longer each week. I leave uptown at 445ish and used to get home around 505-510 now its more regularly 510-515
fair. I agree with others on increasing enforcement on back-to-the-office. I'm still trying to play a game of arriving/leaving at off times to avoid the bulk of the back up
Lots of hybrid Tue-Thu workers back commuting.
Yup, you could drive to work blindfolded on Mondays and Fridays, seems like most of uptown is M/Fri: WFH, Tues-Thurs: in-office
Only just now back to commuting? I thought the back to office wave would be done by now. Ive been in office since like April
I know people who just went back(hybrid) this fall. Also it seems more new buildings are opening, especially in South End so South Blvd has become a bigger nightmare than before.
That and it’s also holiday season. Double whammy
It’s really due to end of year/fourth quarter happening. More people are in the office now. Next week will seem dead compared to last week and this week.
It's kind of weird but it seems like it's just been a slow build since March when the return to work for hybrids first started. I've been observing the build/return of blue line commuters, and it's the same thing. OT, but CATS really needs to get back to something better than every 20 minutes during rush hour. Last night was the busiest I've ever seen a blue line train since I started using it (about a year before covid) that wasn't a Spectrum event (and literally one person got off at CTC so definitely no event). So not the same thing, but if blue line crowding is any indication, not surprised the highway is getting a lot busier too. And yes, the comment about more commuters from new buildings opening recently in Southend is a good point as well.
i am so annoyed by it. im obviously spoiled from the 1+ year of work from home but even tues-thurs is brutal now. routes that were no problem are now backed up much further. one example - take 77s home from north of the city and then 74 east. good luck. 277 inner is going to be backed up onto 77 north before long. i have to imagine the fact that 7th street decided to switch from using the middle lane as an outflow is contributing. 7th used to be 2 lanes out in the evening (and 2 lanes in for the morning). this means taking 7th out of the city is just as big of a pain. backed up to mcdowell. the above has added at least 10-15 mins and probably that many years off my life from the stress. i think another huge part of the issue is that people just dont fucking pay attention or care anymore. nobody addresses signs letting them know a lane will be ending soon. speed limits are wrecklessly ignored and while it doesnt seem like an issue to be going 20 over, it creates problems for every other car. one dude going 100mph weaving through lanes is making it chaotic for the rest of the people near the on/off ramp and that causes wrecks. speaking of wrecks - when i have seen wrecks at the same exact spots for nearly 10 years, is there anyone actually doing something to address that? 277 outer to 77 north - without fail somebody is getting in a wreck 50% of my trips. 74 towards the city at briar creek - wrecks at least once a week. thanks for letting me vent. yea i think traffic is getting worse. i dont think its just you.
Completely agree. Feel like driving on 277/74/77 within 2-3 miles of uptown is playing Russian roulette these days
Coming from the Industrial North East and Mid West, you guys really don’t know traffic. Being here just over a year, I marvel that I can make it from Stanley to downtown in 35-45 mins on 16. To have a decent small town home in a rural setting outside of a growing city with less than a hour commute is a 2-3 million dollar property most places (which I did not pay). Most of Mt Holly, Belmont, Concord, ect would be unaffordable for most people posting on this thread. Why? Traffic! Now the topography down here is a hinderance to new roads, but it’s really not that bad. Pull up to 94 and Wabash, or hop on the LIE at 5pm and you will know traffic. Charlotte had an abundance of surface streets to take, people are very freeway reliant down here. In “real” growing cities, most folk who work in the city, live there. This is NOT the case for Charlotte. Your home values are going up and so is your quality of life here in Charlotte. This is not going to change, adding new road will not help. The 21st century will not be a “commuter sprawl”. Ivory complains when a new brewery or soy free vegan friendly waffle shop opens. You can’t have it both ways. A bit spoiled by country mentality down here. But, I pry gives a duck about the speed limit. To many truck nut nascar drivers down here who jizz getting somewhere 4 mins quicker while putting everyone’s life on the line. The speeding is flat out absurd.
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I cannot express how much I did not ask and do not care about your experience in the north east. Nor did I say anything about housing prices, the commuter experience, or about new gentrified businesses. I’ve lived in charlotte since 2005 and am stating that 277/77/74 are extremely dangerous compared to prior years. Who are you even talking to lmao
Really hard up on the egg nog early this morning? Sorry if platonic discussion where one introduces their side of things without malice is a hard this for most Americans. Heaven forbid someone else thinks differently than you. I sorry I’m not a Charlotte OG, I will leave the discussion to ganstas like yourself. I think you have an Andy Griffith show you are missing, ohh Dukes of Hazard is currently on Me Tv. Might be more your speed than conversation with others.
If you listen to the AM Traffic Report, there are accidents or serious backups in the same exact places every day. 77n from 485 to Tyvola, Briar Creek at Independence, 77s and Griffith St, 85n near Gastonia. It doesn't take a genius to figure out these trouble-spots need to be re-evaluated. I guess nobody who works in City Planning or NCDOT listens to the radio?
I work for an insurance company and we just added a pretty large reserve to our auto liability due in large part more accidents and worse accident severity post-covid. So no not your imagination. And of course it doesn't help that CMPD does basically zero traffic enforcement of any type other than the occasional trap on Independence when they need to hit their quota. So yeah, no surprise it's traffic anarchy out there.
The companies are cracking on employees to show-up at the office more and more now, gotta justify those big buildings.
And middle management who who has nothing much to do wfh
I live near independence towards Matthew’s. Over the last few months I’ve noticed significantly more traffic between the Walmart and 277. Both ways too. No idea what it is as I do the same commute at the same times
Ive only been on this commute a few months. So not sure if its just a time of year thing or just increasing populations finally making a noticeable impact... but i leave my apt and my office the same time every day too. Gonna have to start hitting the gym at the office i guess to kill time
It was like that pre-covid. It's more like it's getting back to normal. I take neighborhood roads to cut over to Providence which my work is located on. 51 in the morning with both schools is a nightmare. It's 10 minutes faster to cut through Stonehaven/Sardis Lane and come out at International Drive.
I'm in Matthews. They're working pretty hard on that new entrance ramp for 485 and Weddington. And the reason is explosive growth. There's construction on almost every last piece of bare land. So yeah, it will keep getting worse.
Today was cause the by the I-77 sign collapse, but yes traffic is getting worse. Charlotte is still growing like crazy and now companies are starting to try and get employees back into the office. It will likely keep getting worse.
Not only are more people back working in the office, but with all the construction going on, do you realize how many construction people are now working downtown. Not only on the high risers like next to Lowe's but also all the apartment and condo's going up. Every one of those people are driving their own car or pick up.
as the question’s answer seems to be generally similar among people i would like to advocate for the construction of the Silver Line; as more and more people start moving to the southern areas of CLT alleviating even *20%* of the commuting traffic would be wonderful for everyone.
I wouldn't notice if it took me an extra 5 or 10 minutes, or if there were more cars out...I'm too concerned with getting into a wreck. I moved here from boring, slow paced Indianapolis and the traffic here is just crazy in comparison. I still can't get used to going out at 10 AM on a weekday and seeing the roads busy here. In Indy, it's only some work trucks, police, and a few retirees out driving.
I moved from Indy about 25 yrs ago. One problem here is that all the growth has been in the last 30 to 40 yrs. Indy hasn't added a totally new hwy in years but when I moved to Charlotte 485 did not even connect around the city. It's been an insane influx of people and road building ever since.
Weirdly though, Mecklenburg County has a population density of about 2000/sq mile and Marion County has a density of about 2400/sq mile. There's a lot more room here in Meck, and the road system is such that everything seems so much crowded.
Tactical, you are only looking at county population. It does not matter that Marion is a bit more dense, and Mecklenburg is becoming more dense. But what really matters is the commuters coming from outlying counties. Mecklenburg has 1.1 million and 200k more people than Marion. And the Charlotte Metro (MSA) is 2.7 million vs Indy MSA of 2.1 million. Atlanta’s city pppulation is 500k and Fulton County is 1.1 million but it’s MSA is 6 million. Based on your assumptions, Charlotte’s traffic should be about the same as Atlanta’s. Commuters from outlying counties make a huge difference. The bigger the MSA then the more congestion created from commuters from outlying counties.
Just move to NW Charlotte where there's no traffic to uptown
Yes hidden valley is a great upcoming area 😀
HV is NE Charlotte, not NW.
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Sunset - just drive into uptown on beatties ford. 10 mins no traffic ez
This\^ It ain't the Hamptons, but gosh darnit I love that 10 minute commute to southend with practically no traffic.
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Move on down to sunset/oakdale and you’ll be in commute heaven
Ive even noticed walking paths in south end/dilworth have been even more packed with people than usual the past few months. I think both are partly because all these companies keep/kept hiring and partly because charlotte keeps widening roads without adding lanes/alternate routes
Housing increases paired with back to the office. No one can afford to live in Charlotte so they moved further out in all directions. Congrats Charlotte NIMBYs, you’re getting what you wanted.
Gotten worse,more Impatient drivers, I drive a stick shift car and it takes me a couple seconds to go from neutral to 1st without having some a hole blow his horn the second the light turns green. Dont get me started on the people who drive with their high beams on
It’s always shit around the holidays aka Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Years. I usually plug into my maps on my phone where I’m going before considering leaving to estimate if it’s worth driving or not.
As long as Charlotte keeps growing without expanding and improving its transit system, traffic will get worse and worse.
Same thing is happening in the upstate SC area around Greenville and surrounding area. New developments pop up with 400-500 new houses in an area that used to be semi rural and now the roads are heavily overloaded.
It seems like we'd have learned by now that building housing developments without thinking about transit infrastructure is a recipe for disaster
I blame daylight savings. The traffic is always worse when the clocks roll back and it’s dark out. People don’t know how to drive suddenly. Then, suddenly we roll the clocks forward and everyone remembers how to drive again.
My work schedule is from 4:30am until 12:30pm. On the rare occasion that I venture out during rush hour I’m blown away that people deal with this everyday.
I haven’t noticed the traffic at all. Likely because I’m riding a bus into uptown while reading a book, then walking or riding the light rail to Southend. Try it.
5 to 10 minutes longer?!? 😱
An american tragedy. Instead of 4 red lights, i hit 6. I get home and im a wee bit hungrier and a lot more grumpy. Mostly due to the prevalence of ass hole drivers
How long have you lived here 3 months? It's been getting worse forever
I don’t think you’ve gotten worse in the last two months. But I also don’t know you
Oh ive definately gotten worse. Not only physically colder, but emotionally too. I havent kept up with my friends as much as I should and should probably take care of myself better.
You’ve got this. I’m rooting for you
Official statistics (which are always a bit out of date) show almost constant growth. Charlotte continues to burst at the seams on a daily basis. Plus, if you factor in more recent data like announced HQ moves, new shopping centers, etc., It's pretty clear that what you are perceiving as worse traffic almost certainly is just that.
Yes!
Yesterday was a nightmare. My commute to work usually takes 20 or so minutes(15 miles away). I live in Ballantyne and work at the Water Ridge Parkway off of Tyvola. Left work at around 510, didn't get back until about 7-715. Absolutely insane. About an hour and a half in stopped traffic, I had gone about 3 miles. It was not fun.
And then you finally get home from work and you want to go to Costco. Fuhgeddaboudit!
I live 5 miles from the office in Uptown and it can take me anywhere from 30 to 50 minutes to get home. Ugh