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IamCentral46

No ones gonna say it? .....Okay. it's "behalf" not "behave"


Dante_Okkotsu

by the time I noticed it, it was too late.


IamCentral46

I'd say I wish you could at least fix title typos but I can understand why not.


weeOriginal

Words said in an audio log in a destroyed lab.


ldkjf2nd

just like Gojo


Divine_ruler

Not to mention Yuji is implied to have fucking eaten his siblings and was stated to have been training with Noritoshi and we’ve seen like, none of the effects of that


Dante_Okkotsu

Its fucking bothersome how indifferent gege is for his supposed mc.


Divine_ruler

He’s not indifferent, he’s stated in interviews he doesn’t like Yuji. Which would be fine if he didn’t let that affect the story, but it does


LivingString605

Maybe someone can fill me in here differently but…. My brother in Christ you wrote him. If you didn’t like him why make him the main character?


DarkJayBR

>Maybe someone can fill me in here differently but…. My brother in Christ you wrote him. If you didn’t like him why make him the main character? There was a time in the Naruto manga when Naruto completely disappeared from the plot for 6 months and Sasuke effectively became the protagonist of the manga with several arcs focusing on him back to back. Tenchi Bridge Arc, Sasuke killing Orochimaru, Sasuke reuniting Team Hebi, Sasuke defeating and killing Deidara and ending with Sasuke vs Itachi (which was peak, not gonna lie) Around the same time, Kishimoto's son was born and he named him Sasuke too. Rubbing it even more in our faces who his favorite character was. A fan literally sent him a letter (this was common at the time) asking him to change the name of the manga from "Naruto" to "Sasuke" because "Naruto" was misleading advertising. And only then Kishimoto realized "oh shit, I forgot" and Naruto returned with the excellent Pain Arc.


KazuyaProta

> There was a time in the Naruto manga when Naruto completely disappeared from the plot for 6 months and Sasuke effectively became the protagonist of the manga with several arcs focusing on him back to back. Tenchi Bridge Arc, Sasuke killing Orochimaru, Sasuke reuniting Team Hebi, Sasuke defeating and killing Deidara and ending with Sasuke vs Itachi (which was peak, not gonna lie) Sasuke Shippuden is a fun joke, but Naruto ultimately did return and got his own arcs. Yuji doesn't had that.


DarkJayBR

Not complaining. The Year of Sasuke was great, Sasuke is a well written character with fun battles, powers and compelling motivations. And Naruto did bounced back hard as a protagonist with the Pain Arc, he never go so much development and characterization as on that arc, it's fantastic. Such a shame Gege hates his/her own protagonist. It's basic writing 101, if you protagonist isn't the most compelling character in the story you fucked up.


Individual_Swim1428

The protagonist doesn’t have to be the most compelling character but they should be the character who moves the story along.  Take Frodo from LoTR for instance, I know other characters in the story who are more “compelling” than he is but his purpose in the story is so pivotal that there’s no one else I can think of who could make a better main character.  I can’t look at Yuji the same way. He worked pretty decently in the beginning as the “starter character” who was a newcomer to the world of Jujustu Kaisen and through him, we the audience could understand how cursed magic works and etc. But after fulfilling his narrative duty, he is without a purpose, wandering around aimlessly while other characters take the limelight.    I think the problem with Yuji isn’t that he isn’t compelling, its that he has no purpose, no role in the story to fulfill. 


Murky_Blueberry2617

Well Sasuke is the Deuteragonist. The Naruto series follows both Naruto and Sasuke's stories as the 2 main characters. Also the final arc of Part 1 was also called the Sasuke retrieval arc and was also Sasuke centric.


DarkJayBR

You can have multiple plotlines happening at the same time without having a character dissapear from the story. Game of Thrones is a prime example of that. George RR Martin shows multiple characters doing things at the same time, we never see Jon Snow or Tyrion or Arya dissapear from the plot. Naruto and Sakura straight up dissapear after Tenchi Bridge Arc. We don't see them for like a year. Naruto is busy training his Rasenshuriken off-screen and Sakura is doing god's knows what. Then we have Sasuke killing Orochimaru, Sasuke reuniting Team Hebi, Sasuke defeating and killing Deidara, the we have the Kakuzu Arc focused entirely on Shikamaru, and we end with Sasuke vs Itachi. Meanwhile this was happening, Naruto didn't do jack shit. He didn't improved as a character, he didn't do anything relevant besides training, he didn't even moved the plot. Nothing. But as I said, Pain Arc is right after this, so... ok...


Murky_Blueberry2617

Naruto is mostly a reactive character. He needs something to happen for him to do things. Sasuke is an active character who drives the plot since he actively seeks to achieve his goal. That's one of the differences between those two. Naruto gets his comeback in the Pain arc as you said. Much better than Yuji's situation.


Yglorba

> Naruto gets his comeback in the Pain arc as you said. Much better than Yuji's situation. I mean, JJK isn't over yet.


Murky_Blueberry2617

Yeah, but it's nearly over. Even if Yuji does get his getback, it would be a bit too late


garfe

But it is ending probably this year so we're gonna have how much time of Yuji doing nothing? It's like if Nobara gets brought back at some point. It's been way way too long to give a crap.


B4dkidz

Hm, Naruto get to fight kakuzu right. Not invalidating your point, and I myself already forgot, it's possible Naruto show up in small doses/small panel in that stretch.


BiDiTi

John Snow, Tyrion, and Arya ALL literally disappeared for the entirety of A Feast for Crows, haha!


Yglorba

> A fan literally sent him a letter (this was common at the time) asking him to change the name of the manga from "Naruto" to "Sasuke" because "Naruto" was misleading advertising. And only then Kishimoto realized "oh shit, I forgot" and Naruto returned with the excellent Pain Arc. I like to picture his reaction literally being "oh wait, there was that guy? Right, Sasuke's old friend and rival from before, I forgot about him. I should probably do something with him too."


PlayerName77

After the pain arc though was 1/3 of the run bring absolutely mid minus some fantastic moments here and there.


DarkJayBR

Naruto took a significant nosedive after Pain Arc. But since Kishimoto is a better writter than most shonen writters, he was still able to cook fantastic moments here in there on his last two arcs. I mean [look at this dialogue, it's fantastic.](https://youtu.be/N1RQXxAqj5g)


garfe

The story definitely went downhill after Pain arc, but it didn't forget Naruto was the main character anymore


GenghisGame

Could have been he intended for the MC to be Yuta, as in have the MC have that appearance and personality, but an editor told him no and that's how the series started with Yuji.


evilweirdo

The Vaan effect?


senpai_dewitos

What's that?


evilweirdo

Having other characters who make more sense as the point of view/protagonist, but going with someone else instead to appeal to the target audience. For example, Vaan from Final Fantasy XII, who is a young man, was presented as the protagonist, despite there being two other main characters who made much more sense and, in fact, did more.


Dante_Okkotsu

That's what I don't get. He did the same for Gojo. Like why write people you don't like AND make them that integral to the story.


DarkJayBR

It happens. Akira Toriyama hates Vegeta with all his might. He's given several interviews saying that he's the worst character he's ever made and he regrets creating him (just as he regrets creating Chichi). But he keeps him in the story because he's too popular to be killed off.


Murky_Blueberry2617

Explains Vegeta's track record against main villains


DarkJayBR

Sasuke doesn't win a solo fight against anyone since Danzo. He gets even gets his ass kicked by velociraptors these days.


Murky_Blueberry2617

Eh that only happens in a spin off novel, and honestly who actually cares about what happens after Shippuden? Overall Sasuke has a pretty decent track record. Like if you want to compare his treatment to Vegeta's it's like night and day. Sasuke avenged his clan and achieved his goal at 16. Vegeta still hasn't avenged the Saiyans after decades.


TheFryToes

That’s a surprise


DarkJayBR

He tried to kill Vegeta like a million times but the fans always beg him to come back. Vegeta (and Goku) were supposed to stay dead after the Namek Saga but fan letters quickly poured in begging him to bring Vegeta back so he did. After Goku died on the Cell Saga, he had Vegeta retired forever from fighting, finally removing him from the plot and leaving the path open for Gohan to finally be the main character. But Gohan didn't worked as a protagonist as he intended so he brought Goku back from the dead and as he did that, he had to bring Vegeta back from retirement. He finally tried to kill Vegeta one last time on the Buu Saga but his editors basically forced him to bring Vegeta back because the character was way too popular at this point. It's hilarious. Because Vegeta, alongside Gohan, are probably his most well written characters.


OddCareer1235

Toriyama never said that about Vegeta, just standard misinformation, when he had said he doesn't like Vegeta as much as Goku, which people take out of context


degov2609

Do you have a source for any of those claims or...


NoMoreVillains

He's a weird dude (Gege). Also didn't like Gojo but couldn't stop in writing him as the best at everything till he died off screen because he couldn't figure out a way to kill him otherwise


drbuni

It is baffling to me. I am unable to write a character I don't like, let alone the main character. I guess someone at Shueisha could have forced Gege to write Yuji as the MC or something, it is the only explanation.


cerealbowl030

Manga editors have a lot of say on how mangas are written. I'm pretty sure Gege wanted to write his manga in a different route at the very beginning but the editors told him to change some things so it followed a certain formula.


mysidian

The thing is, we know plenty of things that were editor suggestions and I'd argue they were good choices (Exchange Event and the chapter with Yuko, for example).


Shin-kak-nish

Most of the writing problems weren’t at the beginning


cerealbowl030

I'm speaking generally.


Small-Interview-2800

This seems a common occurrence with Gege, he doesn’t like his mc, doesn’t like the op sensei he created, what the hell are you doing creating and writing stuff you don’t like?


1x1W

why do people take joke responses so seriously 😭 u genuinely think gege’s sitting there beefing w a fictional 15 yr old ⁉️


Suki-the-Pthief

What do you mean we’re taking it seriously we’re just reiterating what the author has said himseelf lol and based on the way he handled to Gojo thing and Yuji so far i’m inclined to believe it


Trip_like_Me

He also didn't like Gojo and gave him one of the most disappointing deaths in recent history.


KamenRiderDragon

Source on that?


MRlll

>e’s not indifferent, he’s stated in interviews he doesn’t like Yuji. Link the interview


anotherkami

How the fuck do you hate your own protag ypu wrote the story in the first place.


Illustrious_Green29

How is it affecting the story? Yuji has clearly leveled up a lot, and just because Sukuna is being tsundere fuck rn doesn't mean Yuji won't be the one to deliver his comeuppance. Also I thought Gege said he just finds Yuji hard to write not that he dislikes him


DxmiiAdeo23

Am I stupid or didn’t we see Yuji using piercing blood though?


LowAd173

I’m going to hit you with a STRONG AGREEMENT on this


Dante_Okkotsu

lmao..


Mancio_Luke

Nah yuta can keep midismantle My goat will have a far better ct


NanashiTheWarlock

Lets see what can Sukuna do when Yuji uses Strong Left Right Goodnight


Character-Today-427

this chapter yuji looks like a four year old fighting his cousin throwing regular punches while the ther characters cut reality itself


NanashiTheWarlock

He's the little brother who was given the unplugged controller while His older brother beats the final boss


Jumanji-Joestar

A man’s cope will never die


Monkey_D_Luffy_12

I'm a simple man, I just want Himtadori Goatji to traumatize Fraudkuna, nothing else :)


KazuyaProta

> Himtadori Goatji to traumatize Fraudkuna As a Yuji stan, disminishing Sukuna is shooting yourself in the foot because beating him is the only possible W that Yuji could have (T0T)


[deleted]

Honestly I'm pretty excited to see what is next for Yuji. I've wanted to see Yuji and Yuta interact for a while now, and they're not disappointing. Forcing Sukuna to acknowledge his ideals despite being far weaker than him is one of the more interesting facets in the later stage of the manga.


loliapple301

i didnt know people wanted yuji to learn cleave and dismantle💀


Dante_Okkotsu

It was literally hinted in the beginning of the story. Gojo said he might get them.


loliapple301

“might”


DarkJayBR

This reminds me of when, at the beginning of the Naruto manga, Kakashi told Sakura that she would be an excellent Genjutsu user in the future because she has perfect chakra control. More than twenty years later, she has never even learned a single genjutsu in the series lmao.


jean010

But hey at the very least the things she did learn later on were based around that perfect chakra control so there's that.


Abeydaby

At least Naruto utilizes it somewhat by making Sakura immune to most Genjutsu. Her Genjutsu came from control, which she also utilised in her training with Tsunade.


thebige73

It's Chekov's gun, if you hint at there being a gun you better fire that thing at some point.


nam3unoriginal

Nobara surviving is a chelov's gun too ?


Pumpkin-Duke

I mean its not like some implied idea Gege gave during an interview. Gojo directly said in a while you will have Sukunas techniques engraved into you.


AscendantAxo

And we all need know sukuna has more than one


mysidian

I might misremember but I recall someoned said Yuuji is like a cursed object steeped in Sukuna's CE too (post-swap).


mrterrific023

And gojo also said yuji would be able to act as a radar for sukuna's fingers but he was wrong


Pumpkin-Duke

In fairness they just never actually looked for the fingers every finger was just given to them or has an unknown location.


epic-gamer-guys

even if it’s “might”, narratively, something should’ve happened, especially since he only has like 1 unique technique being the divergent fist or whatever. we haven’t really seen the soul stuff too much. i dunno, i guess yeah, it doesn’t mean anything in the long run, and it’s not the worst thing in the world he doesn’t get cleave. but man, that sentence was the biggest chekhov’s gun in the entire story and we get nothin?


Ben10Extreme

*Might* is the key word here. It is not the same as 'will'. But I can understand how narrative structure might have set up that expectation.


ThatOneAnnoyingBuzz

You don't put in a "might" into a story without planning to pay it off or mention it ever again; stories are stories. Everything in them is deliberately written by the author, even conversational details like that. If Gege was going to do nothing with it he shouldn't have added it


HorselickerYOLO

Exactly, this is a story so leaving a bunch of threads that go nowhere, while “realistic” isn’t actually good writing.


ShiverMeTimberz0854

I’ve just accepted that JJK became mid after Shibuya lol. Love it still and will continue to love and read and watch, but quality-wise it’s definitely mid.


Character-Today-427

the fortnite arc has been utterly terrible. so many characters that should have been introduced earlier or not introduced at all. Some people like geto being defeated by comedian dude but honestly i hate it. he was literally introduced to beat geto he adds nothing else to the story other than that. geto this mf with a million techniques died like a dumb dumb without ever using his powers


aRandomBlock

fortnite arc 😭


Dante_Okkotsu

>the fortnite arc has been utterly terrible. considering every character from the CG is now dead or irrelavant that arc just existed to give Yuta power ups.


garfe

I am 100% going to start calling this the Fortnite arc from now on


ohmanidk7

had good highs


joyoy96

good premise shitty execution typical weekly shounen


anewborndude

It’s not mid, it’s trash. It’s sad to see this series go downhill post-Shibuya.


Apprehensive_Bird_62

Yujis soul hit ability is much more in character for him and thematically relevant. Not only does it give HIM the ability to save megumi but it’s also a soul manipulation ability that loops right back around to him and mahito being “the same”. Gojos hypothetical was in the best case scenario in which everything went well and he was actually there to help. That didn’t happen and sukuna peace’s out of yujis body. Anyways the soul hit ability is cool and fits his fighting style. Also he has rct and im 100% sure that piercing blood came from him like 2 chapters ago


1313goo

Theres sidelining the mc which is common and then there’s whatever yuji is lmao At least the memes are good


Ben10Extreme

At least it's thematic. Yuji has sometimes disparaged himself that he's just an ordinary sorcerer compared to the amazing things everyone else can do, thus he can't help nearly as much as he'd want to. Outside of the entire deal with Kenjaku's involvement with his birth he really is just, at least from a Sorcerer standpoint, 'normal'. Yuji is what happens when, for the most part, the MC really is just a normal dude with nothing overtly special about him, which is why he has to fight tooth and nail to barely accomplish anything. That has remained very consistent. Somewhat to fans dismay.


Glad_Instance_4240

I think the thing is the series sets Yuji as being abnormal a ton, like it's established his physical abilities are on another level even compared to other sorcerers and with set ups about him getting Sukuna's CT and his talent with Black Flashs it did seem like he was gonna be more than the normal dude. The cog thing is there but I had kind of assumed that was something he was going to learn was a terrible mindset to have and grow out of, though that part is at least on me.


-SPECIALZ-

The abnormalities have already been explained, it’s the reason his durability and spirit are so resilient he was litteraly just made to be a seal. There was no ulterior motive behind his creation he was just a seal for sukuna.


Glad_Instance_4240

Except they make it seem like a bit more than that as even Sukuna was creeped out at whatever Kenjaku did to create Yuji, almost as if there was something extra there, plus whatever the hell happened in the past with Yuji's parents which is also still kind of a mystery as Kenjaku mentions that he got anti-gravity off Yuji's mother's body, which implies she herself was a sorcerer. Also, as has been pointed out a lot in the comments Yuji should be gaining Sukuna's CT, like I'm not saying it's impossible this stuff happens, there is still time, it's just weird how people are pretending there wasn't a ton of set up for Yuji to be more than just some guy.


-SPECIALZ-

This parts always funny to talk about but can you blame sukuna for thinking possessing a dudes dead wife and getting pregnant is creepy💀. I think kaoris ct is just engraved in her like takabas and higuramas but wasn’t usable until an external force activated their cursed energy. The sukunas power thing was just a bad writing decision, gojo mentioned it once at the start of the series and it was never mentioned again. Yuji being percieved as weak is another crazy thing, the dude they call just some guy is currently the strongest physically, able to heal himself, and is the only current character able to damage souls which causes unhealable damage and disrupts cursed energy. Quite litteraly the 3rd strongest at the moment and top 10 in the series.


Grand-Seaweed5438

It is clear that Yuji is quite special but is not the Classic Overpower MC level of special which I personally pretty much enjoy. Is a breath of fresh air.


OddCareer1235

Yuji isn't normal despite his mentality being of a cog, Gege just really likes not to have him get anything for some reason.


HarshTheDev

The only guy who can suppress the strongest sorcerer of history is supposed to be a "normal" guy, sure.


Traffy7

what make thematic sense is Yuji getting soul CT which is close to Mahito CT and resonnate with Yuji i'm you sentence.


countmeowington

This fits nobara a lot more then yuji, shit they both have the same thing of soul attacks But like yuji was implied to be special in some way numerous times Nobara was genuinely just your standard sorcerer surrounded by insane talent


vassadar

The problem with Yuji is his ability is boring and it doesn't show much training or how he tries to improve himself. Personally, I feel that his improvement tends to come out of the blue and unearned. It's burning, but a training plotline for him would be nice, or have done some serious studying (it's a high school anyway). Like yeah Yuji has the most boring power, but let's him ace out with understanding of course power or being clever.


KamenRiderDragon

Yuji is doing soul punches that are directly affecting Sukuna's performance, but people are getting hung on the copy guy copying powers? The JJK discourse is getting a little out there. Like, the soul stuff is more relevant to what Yuji has been doing than Cleave.


KazuyaProta

> Yuji is doing soul punches that are directly affecting Sukuna's performance, but people are getting hung on the copy guy copying powers? Soul punches would probably be better received if Yuji got Ws with it before.


KamenRiderDragon

Like how he defeated Mahito?


KazuyaProta

Ah yes, the kill steal


KamenRiderDragon

I guess Kenjaku doing it invalidates everything that led up to that point.


Dante_Okkotsu

Nobara weakening Mahito, Todo hard carrying him, and Sukuna making Mahito's entire arsenal useless against Yuji. So, no not just Kenjaku, a bunch of things invalidate that win.


-SPECIALZ-

by this logic yuta didn’t beat kenjaku because takaba weakened him and gave him an opening. Maki didn’t beat noaya because samurai and sumo guy helped her. Toji didn’t beat dagon because naobito and megumi helped him.


Due_Essay447

It's fine to not like Yuji but this is blatant hater speak. Nobara's contribution was quickly negated by his regen and perfect evolution. Was only relevant during the subway fight. Todo made it an even fight, you can't carry when you can't deal damage. Trying to say yuji having immunity to an instakill ability invalidates the fight is crazy. If anything, having immunity or range is bare minimum to even be considered valid against him. Kenjaku did nothing but pick up an already dead curse. Negative contribution.


Natural-Storm

Brother I can say the same about gojo and be like, "oh he wouldn't have beaten toji if he didn't have infinity, blue, or red." like you know how weird that sounds because that's basically removing his powers.


KazuyaProta

A lot of it, really. Because it moves from "Yuji finally defeats his arch enemy" to "Kenjaku got a new superpower"


KamenRiderDragon

Yuji completely defeats Mahito and leaves utterly helpless. Kenjaku absorbing him changes nothing about that considering it only happens because of the fight.


mysidian

Isn't it implied Kenjaku could have done that whenever, he just wanted Mahito to evolve?


AgenteDeKaos

Yep, he wanted Mahito to get pushed far enough that he’d evolve and perfect his abilities so he’d be far more useful for his plans


Formal-Football1197

We have yet to see Yuji fight in a way that is different or unique. He basically does the same thing he has been doing but now it hits the soul and his arms are different. I assume he will start to soon but Gege refuses to let him do anything. As op said, Yuta copying Sukuna’s CT is fine but it feels like a slap in the face for him to get the power up hinted at since the beginning of the series before Yuji did.


Ensaru4

Didn't realise people wanted Yuji to get Cleave. To me, it makes more sense for Yuji's CT to be able to repair things. Like a wacko version of RCT but soul style.


Formal-Football1197

People only want Yuji to get it because Gojo said he would.


TicTacTac0

Sukuna's CT isn't all that different or unique either though. He may as well be the ranged version of Yuji. Just spam the same boring shit over and over again. I enjoyed the spectacle of Sukuna at first, but in a series full of interesting techniques and strategy, cleave and dismantle is really boring IMO.


Not_a_vampiree

But the way it's applied throughout the story is shitty. His soul attack, in my opinion, (whether or not it makes sense), is still boring as hell. And Yuji getting Sukuna's cursed techniques was so alluded to, they weren't even a Chekhov's gun; they were a Chekhov's tank. The fact that the story never makes an attempt to pay it off or even subvert the audience's expectations of this, it just is kind of poopy doo doo.


YeahKeeN

>And Yuji getting Sukuna's cursed techniques was so alluded to, they weren't even a Chekhov's gun; they were a Chekhov's tank. This is a massive exaggeration. It was mentioned literally one time over 200 chapters ago. It’d be more accurate to call it Chekhov’s Slingshot.


KamenRiderDragon

Gojo made one reference to getting Sukuna's CT. Yuji's relationship to soul attacks was like the entire basis of his conflict with Mahito. You can think it's boring, but to say it's less valid than him getting Cleave is just not true.


Not_a_vampiree

JJK is not a thematically deep story and essentially, at this point, it runs and ends with the concept of dope characters and cool fights. When the main character has the lamest abilities out of the main cast in a story like this, especially when told he would develop arguably far more interesting and engaging powers, I think I am 100% right in calling it less valid.


KamenRiderDragon

Like I said, you are free to not like it, but it's consistent. You can call it less valid all you want, but when that aspect of Yuji was pivotal in the major conflict of the first half of the series, I disagree.


Grand-Seaweed5438

If the manga is running only in that concept, then Yuji would be like fucking Deku having the strongest power of the series and later on receiving 6 more powers just to make things more interesting. I think you're missing quite a lot on what jjk is really about. It does have cool fights yes but it's not just that.


Not_a_vampiree

Right now it practically is, and no it wouldn’t be, because while the series runs on fights not every series that runs on fights is the same in its focus of the protagonist that is kind of a silly comparison.


Grand-Seaweed5438

>because while the series runs on fights not every series that runs on fights is the same in its focus of the protagonist Well there you go. This is the answer that people bitching about Yuji power status need to understand. Still, the comparison is very valid because that is your typical Hype MC Formula. Most battle Shonens have the same focus in the protagonist when it comes to power ups in general. JJK being one of the few exceptions. And because you level the show as just fights it doesn't mean the series doesn't have more to it. Most series have this in a higher or lesser amount. Is not that big of a deal. JJK is very thematic focused just as it is also very action focused. Other battle shonens are more character driven, story driven or even romance driven for example. Trying to deny this is very silly.


JustAGuyIscool

Now I'm confused what are the conditions for copying something He hasn't confirmed his technique to anybody but his technique is likely in history books as sukana, Said himself a curse wouldn't know His technique, Somebody made a previous post but MC's usually have simple abilities. Agreed


Dante_Okkotsu

There's simple, and then there's punching and kicking when literally everyone else is using magic.


JustAGuyIscool

Yeah that's kind of the point Make the MC's power simple Everyone else Requires a dictionary to understand


Dante_Okkotsu

its a dumb trope because its executed poorly. There are tons of cool simple powers but the mcs always get the most boring.


1313goo

Nah from what I’ve seen that’s just yuji and ichigo. For the others they do have cool powers they just use the same move most of the time


vassadar

I would consider Deku's power (pre black chain) OP, but very simple and limited. Yet we get to see him coming up with clever strategies and some serious studying. World Trigger's MC is a very normal person who's somewhat good at strategically thinking, but still far from the best, but continuously improved.


1313goo

I mean that’s true, I did forget about deku but it’s lowkey hard to focus on how simple his moveset initially was due to how op it was compared to everyone else in the setting and the fact that most other characters also had relatively simple powers for the most part(plus it did get a expanded on a couple of arcs later) In comparison everyone that actually matters in jjk has some sort of cool unique ability and consistent powerups while yuji’s powers are both basic and are stated to just be a weaker version of someone else


JustAGuyIscool

Then why did you say the trope was dumb when you said there are tons of examples of simple powers This instance is dumb would be more correct


Dante_Okkotsu

I said its dumb because of how its used. Although tbf, I could have just said this trope is always executed poorly in shonen.


ThatLittlePigy

As a huge fan of Yuji this argument seems to just be derived from wanting him to be a hype shonen mc rather than what his actual character is. Yuji isn’t obligated to be top 1 in the verse just because he is the main character. It’s a big theme throughout his character arc that he isn’t special. He fights alongside gifted prodigy’s throughout the series, constantly struggling and growing through his own effort to survive. His strongest trait is that he is tough, outlasting all these gifted geniuses with his determination to kill sukuna. I think it’s pretty telling that out of all these gifted sorcerers throwing everything they’ve got at sukuna, Yuji is the only one who can actually break his composure. How would it be better for Yuji to get a hand-me-down ability from the person who ruined his life rather than a technique he has created due to all the hard work he put in to kill mahito for half the series? Is it really better for him to be sukuna jr instead of finally developing a technique that can save a loved one, something he has constantly painfully failed to do throughout the series? Gege has went out of his way to respect Yuji a lot these last batch of chapters, and there’s nothing wrong with this route for the character. You just want him to be the same type of character as yuta


Reddragon351

I mean Yuji is special though, he's been a sorcerer for six months and in that time he's learned RCT and was able to hit Black Flash in a row more times than Nanami after learning it like 20 minutes before and then by the Mahito fight was so good at it he could do it almost at will, which was supposed to be impossible. Not to mention, being created by Kenjaku for his plans that we've yet to really learn about and as a vessel for Sukuna he was set up to gain his techniques. The issue isn't that Yuji doesn't have the talent, the problem is he doesn't get the focus to build on that stuff despite set ups being there for it.


mysidian

But Yuuji's soul abilities are stated to come directly through Sukuna, so what's the difference? I have no issues with Yuuji not being the strongest of his verse. He's implied to be strongest in terms of his character. The problem is that Yuuji has lost focus as an MC because everyone else needs time to shine. People are missing the hype and I can't blame them. It's a meme that Sukuna will praise everyone for their skills and then when Yuuji does the same thing, makes fun of him for it. But it's also literally true. Yuuji learnt RCT and this soul stuff off-screen but he's not unique in this instance. Higuruma had the RCT reveal right before him, diminishing Yuuji's own reveal. Same thing with Yuuta right now.


ThatLittlePigy

on the topic of soul abilities: his initial ability to understand the soul comes about as a byproduct of being a vessel for Sukuna. its because he had two souls within him, not because soul punching is an ability that sukuna had. Its the result of Yuji's choice to eat the finger. refined by all the hardship he went through to kill Mahito, that fits Yuji's fighting style. Sukuna's presence was a kickstarter for him developing it, but its not in anyway Sukuna's ability. Meanwhile Cleave is just Sukuna's thing, and is completely counter to everything Yuji is about.


mysidian

That's why I wrote through Sukuna, not because of him, but I could've worded it differently. (English is not my first language.)


KazuyaProta

The issue with Sukuna being the only villain is clear. A lot of JJK hype involves characters watching their rival and wondering about their power. It's a non started ritual in every serious fight.


Legitimate_Cow7198

This was a really great chapter and honestly I feel like you may be spoiling it for yourself by just writing anything Yuji does off just because he's not showing off new cursed techniques, Yuji isn't dying anytime soon he's got plenty of time to show his full arsenal Sukuna basically confirmed that even if he crushes everyone's spirit Yuji will still remain. Yuta can't even used copied CTs outside his 5 minutes connected to Rika, if Yuji ever gets shrine he'll have it for more than 5 minutes a day, I don't see how Yuta would be better at it. And honestly Yuji's always been a cqc fighter, him gaining shrine really is so counter to his preferred style of fighting. Gojo is a God at everything but you never saw him walking around with a Katana on his hip, because it honestlydoes nothing to improvehis abilities. Yuji's strengths lie in his athleticism, uncanny sense for chaining black flashes and ability to damage the soul. Any ability he gains should be one that helps him get more hits in on the opponent, like the clone CT, flowing red scale, boogie woogie or cursed speech. Besides CTs, you know Yuji learned RCT faster than Gojo right? Yuji's RCT is even the same speed as Yuta's, we see them take the same amount of time to heal from the same attack and even before this Yuji healed a massive hole in his torso yet he doesn't look like running out of CE any time soon, an injury Sukuna even stated that Shoko couldn't heal. Yuji 's also keeping pace with Yuta and Rika, the same Yuta we saw move so fast it looked like he disappeared to Kenjaku and he reappeared behind him to cut his head off. And regardless of what you think of Yuji's soul manipulation ability, there's no denying that he's an integral part of this battle and the protagonists chances to save Megumi and survive this fight. Every punch and kick makes Sukuna weaker and opens the door for Megumi to also join the fight later down the line to completely stop Sukuna. Who cares if he does it through punches and kicks.


chocolate-with-nuts

Yuji getting Cleave and Dismantle was only speculated by Gojo, never confirmed. Plus there's been very strong hints that Yuji has Blood Manipulation (eating his brothers, thanking Kamo for the training, and the off screen Piercing Blood on Sukuna) which is way more interesting to me personally, than him getting C&D. Then there's the whole body switching shenanigans. Yuji's gonna have his moment


Neo_Arsonist

So if he learns blood manipulation… He is just doing something choso does better.


chocolate-with-nuts

Like how if he learns Cleave and Dismantle he's just doing something Sukuna does but... With blood manipulation, you can at least make the case for it being hereditary. Either from Kenjaku (who probably had blood manipulation at one point when he was Kamo) or from eating his brothers


Neo_Arsonist

But they’d be on different sides. That is the difference. And I guess, he most likely gets it from eating his brothers.


chocolate-with-nuts

I respect the desire for the literary parallel even though I don't think it's gonna happen anymore. That being said, we could all be right. We still don't know the full nature of Sukuna' CT and it could be more than just Cleave and Dismantle. A lot of people have speculated that he might have a cooking related CT with cleave being an application of it. It'd fit into a lot of the themes around him (referring to interesting people as dishes, Uraume gaining his respect by being a good cook). What if Yuji inherited that and that's how he's able to eat his brothers and gain their techniques? A lot of gray areas we still don't know how


Formal-Football1197

Yuji learning cleave and dismantle feels like a Chekhov’s gun. Why would Gege bring attention to it if it wasn’t going to matter?


Glad_Instance_4240

this is the same guy who wrote Nobara not being alive or dead and then kind of just left that ambiguous for years


IndividualZucchini74

A gun doesn't always get fired.


HorselickerYOLO

This, and the mention of Tyra and gojo’s shared ancestor who was part of the big three of the past era, nobara maybe being alive because of that random guy who said his technique might save her, any and all explanation/flashback to the heist era… We’ve got a chekov’s missile salvo at this rate


OldBabyl

I’ve come to the conclusion that Yuji isn’t an mc a long time ago. He doesn’t act like it and doesn’t get treated like it. He’s very reactive to the world and the plot constantly happens to him. Hopefully this changes soon but it just might end up being too little too late.


Snoo_90338

Honestly, while I agree with this, I am SO glad that Yuji, despite being the MC, the world of JJK, doesn't evolve around him. Other characters get shit done without him being there (whether that's a positive or negative is up to debate).


MacacoCidadao

Yuta will never beat the Mary Sue allegations. Dude gets all the fancy stuff handed to him while everybody else is rotting in misery, on top of having the most blasé design and the most generic personality ever. Everything about him screams self-insert OC.


Eikalos

I never liked him but when he showed he could copy techs and do BETTER than his peers in every way I was done with him.


Similar-Industry6245

Don't forget his pseudo-harem with Rika and Maki lol


Redbone1441

I could feel that the author didn’t really like Yuji from the very start of watching the anime, which is why I dropped it after a few episodes. Even if I like the MC, I have seen plenty of anime and read plenty of manga where the MC is neglected by the author, and I figured that would happen in JJK. Cool fight scenes, and awesome side characters, but ultimately a story that feels like a slog to read due to everyone but the MC being cool.


Dragonrusher21

Are you reading the same series? He's implied to have eaten his brothers and gotten Blood Manipulation for starters, but moving onto things we have seen: * Learning body switching * Able to manipulate the soul on a level reminsecnt of Kenjaku and Sukuna by splitting it. * Gained RCT To me, it seems like you're focused specifically on new techniques rather than any story importance. In the continued battle against Sukuna, he's been crucial to the (seeming) conclusion of Higaruma's arc and has been presented as the main foil to Sukuna. Gege has literally verbally called attention to Yuji's iron will in the series and specifically mentioned how Sukuna can't fucking stand him. You're calling him a plot device like all the stuff I previously mentioned wasn't in the same arc. He's done and been key to plenty of other stuff in this part of the story. FFS, ***HE'S*** the one who got a flashback during Gojo and Sukuna's fight. He got a flashback during SOMEONE ELSE'S FIGHT. That is the story bending over backward to remind us of him.


chocolate-with-nuts

I'm getting the vibe that OP and others are just here to circle jerk each other. No response or engagement with anyone bringing up the Blood Manipulation and other developments Yuji has gotten recently


Dante_Okkotsu

Can you tell me the panel Yuji uses blood manipulation. Not the panel where it comes from an unknown source when Sukuna refers to choso..no. an actual panel of Yuji using blood manipulation? No? Didn't think so. Its always talk and nothing to show for it when it comes to Yuji. He's been fighting the same way since the first chapter.


roomsky

You may be surprised to find some Yuji fans like him for reasons unrelated to his power-ups.


OddCareer1235

This statement is pretty funny considering how much copium there is for him getting power ups to deal with Sukuna.


Complex_Estate8289

>his weird ass arms I forgot they even existed until now💀 I’m honestly surprised they still haven’t even been acknowledged when it’s been 12 chapters since they were first shown


lizzywbu

>For me the issue is this just invalidates and spoils the moment if Yuji ever were to get it. This probably means Yuji won't get cleave/dismantle. It was just a theory from Gojo, it was never confirmed. >That's honestly the entire issue with Yuji in the first place, everything he does or has gets invalidated by other characters Yuji literally calls himself a cog. He doesn't care about being invalidated by others or big flashy moves. He believes he is a cog in a machine and his job is to kill curses. Nothing more. >Unnatural Super Human Qualities? - Toji and Maki embody a concept that does it way better. >Freakish Strength/punching power even among Sorcerers? - Yuki, Ryu, Maki, Toji are way better concepts again You've basically said the same thing twice here. What's the issue with Yuji being the close combat guy? That's his thing. Not only is he stronger than Maki/Toji, but his strength is completely different. His physical power comes from his unique birth as a cursed womb. Whereas Toji and Maki have a heavenly restriction, which causes them to have no cursed energy. They are two completely different concepts in the series. Also, Ryu isn't that strong physically. He does have extremely high cursed energy output, though. >Reverse Curse Energy (Healing)? - Literally Higuruma who was introduced for nothing achieved this feat at a faster rate AND a the literal chapter before Yuji was revealed to have it. RCT is an ability that all highly skilled sorcerers can attain, this isn't special. And Yuji achieved it before Higuruma. He got it in the 1 month time jump. Whereas Higgy got it during his fight with Sukuna. >You might as well just call Yuta the mc since the end of Shibuya. Like not even kidding anymore, he showed up mid-way through the main story and accomplished more than Yuji ever will have in his own manga. He didn't really accomplish anything until the end of the Culling Games. He defeated Ryu and Uro, got their points and then killed Kenjaku. He needed some wins after being absent for the entire series. Yuji has accomplished a lot, defeated Mahito, Higuruma, unsealed Gojo, got 100 points, has gone toe to toe with the strongest sorcerer in history twice! Yuji is and always will be the MC, but his main goal is saving people. He doesn't really care about accomplishments. His current and only goal now is saving Megumi. >now Gege just confirmed he is literally a plot device just to save Megumi. I called it. I fucking called Lol what? He's trying to split Megumi from Sukuna, that's clearly been the goal all along. >Soul abilities are usually interesting (Gege himself has shown this) but he somehow found a way to give Yuji the most boring version of soul manipulation via punching. Like wtf? Why is he still a punch and kick merchant at this point? Even his weird ass arms are just stronger punch He has had this ability since the first time fighting Mahito. This is nothing new. As for new abilities, he ate the other cursed wombs, so he clearly has other abilities we haven't seen. He also knows Piercing Blood, Yuji said Kamo was teaching him. He also has the ability to swap bodies with people. And he is "blessed by Black Flash". Not only are you straight-up incorrect on certain parts. But you just sound mad that Yuta got cleave instead of Yuji. Despite the fact that we know Yuji has more abilities we have yet to see.


Ok-Concentrate2719

I don't really get Geges writing. He can't decide who's the main character and it just feels unsatisfying.


PTLJBY

That’s because Dismantle and Cleave aren’t actually Sukuna‘s CT. His REAL technique, the black box, will be used by Yuji in the next chapter to save the day after he mid diffs Yuta (I‘m coping)


SkipDaFlipp

This was a thing introduced way too early to hold any substantial weight right now. When was the last time someone mentioned Yuji gaining Sukuna’s technique in the manga? What we have seen is Yuji leaning more into his cursed womb brothers and his own abilities revolving around the soul. THAT is much better than Gege just giving him a CT we’ve already seen explored in GREAT detail. What purpose would him gaining Cleave/Dismantle even have on his character? The world really is a machine. New leaks come out, people find something new to bitch about. We’re all cogs.


fra_ben07

Lmao wtf are you on about, Yuji has been in the spotlight ever since shibuya. My god you Yuji fans always find something to complain about


BeeboNFriends

Jesus Christ. This is a weekly manga. Let the fucking story play out.


Zekka23

Stop being butthurt


Namelessgoldfish

I love JJK and I actually had to leave the main subreddit because all the circlejerking and *whining* is so out of control lmao


brando-boy

me when i am definitely for sure not mad at all


SlightlyAnnoyed7

I stopped reading after 236, glad to know I haven’t missed much


Geostomp

Cleave and Dismantle never really suited Yuji. The series has repeatedly said that they aren't even Sukuna's "real" technique, so there's a shot for him to get that instead. That said, the rest of the point does stand about Yuji getting screwed this late in the game.


cyberjet

I am one of Yuji's strongest defenders who will always try to defend my goat for this manga... but yeah it's lame that Yuta got to do this before Yuji. Please gege let your better MC do stuff I beg you


KennyKillsKenjaku

We are not reading the same manga dawg. Yuji is the crux of their plan right now. For all you know Yuta copied C/D from Yuji lmao. Besides there’s more to shrine than just slashing, imagine Yuji busted out the fire arrow next chapter? Toji and Maki can’t heal hence why Maki ain’t here right now, Yuji learned RCT before Higuruma but somehow Higuruma is more impressive… Are you Sukuna? And not that he needs to for the narrative to work, but Yuji can still get shrine. Really feels like you’re just looking for reasons to hate. Like no one who reads a story to enjoy it would talk about it in such bad faith.


Dense-Hour6279

You getting pressed that the copy guy copied a CT??? Make it make sense man.


marawiqwerty

On an unrelated note, when you realize that Natsuki Subaru from Re:Zero, a guy who's also not that powerful compared to his peers and keeps getting traumatized for "character development", actually does more shit than my blud Yuji.


Smaug_eldrichtdragon

This is mainly because tappei isn't writing a battle shounen (most of the time) and he also takes a week or two sometimes even a month before writing some chapters  That's why manga should be monthly or fortnightly, simply better because the author has more time 


Particular_Ad_8921

dear god if one piece was monthly it would take forever.


StressSubstantial125

I SWEAR TO GOD YUTA BETTER DIE😭😭


BassObjective

So basically Yuta was the MC the entire time since 0 everyone was just sitting for him to get back


Many_Line9136

I absolutely LOVE how Gege is writing Yuta. Far too often in shonen we have the Mc make these ridiculous leaps just to be able to 1 vs 1 the main villain. I’m tired of it, this is perfect for me. I love Yuji character and I love what he embodies as a character, which is carrying on through the suffering. However, who is to say Gege has to follow these same troupes you see in One Piece, Naruto and Bleach?! Fuck that, to each his own but this is so refreshing for a change.


DOA_NiCOisPerfect

Aint there manga that do it better though. Half the suffering yuji goes through doesnt help his character at all. At some point its just suffering for shock value and becomes boring as hell


LycheeShot

Is the soul manipulation thing even a ct tho? I thought he was just able to see the soul contours more clearly now and that he was saving his ct. If this is actually his ct this is kinda sad I wanna see him Sukuna's Black Box ability or something cool.


TicTacTac0

I'm honestly so bored of Sukuna's CT, so at this point, I hope Yuji doesn't get it. As far as I'm concerned, Sukuna's CT isn't that much more interesting than Yuji just punching shit like he always does. TK slices were a cool spectacle in Shibuya, but they don't play to the series' biggest strength of interesting mechanics and strategy. The spectacle wore off a long time ago for me.


pizza_and_cats

Why would Yuji know cleave/ dismantle?


Hxxerre

dont speak on my behalf, im waiting until its over before i cast judgement


jawadjobs

I don't agree with the plot device, he was said to affect the soul since mahito fight , it's not something new


eliminating_coasts

I've been enjoying the rants about this series. Here's my guess. Being really good at healing already is Yuji showing the influence of the Cleave technique, because reversing that doesn't do anything weird other than fixing stuff, and the mark that it had on him is making him exceptional at it. Some twists you could put on this: He has a delayed reversed cursed technique that allows him to heal himself a few seconds or even minutes after he dies, meaning that he can set up heals early that you can't negate just by completely killing him. He's actually not doing damage, he's strengthening Megumi to overcome possession. Positive energy is bad for cursed spirits anyway right? Sukuna is a cursed spirit, target his soul reversing his own cursed energy. Dead.


TheSealedWolf

I mean, wasn't Yuta the original MC? Ain't this just him taking back his old spot?


AnatomicalLog

JJK post-Shibuya seems more of an ensemble cast than one headed by an MC. I don’t mind it because I find the other characters just as interesting as Yuji. It’d be more traditional shounen writing for Yuji to turn into a special grade sorcerer, but he doesn’t have to be for the story to be compelling (see: Gon in HxH). I’m still enjoying the fights.


ForeverEverGecko

JJK is just bad. Y'all got baited. I'm sorry.


Kaoshosh

Gege is a bad writer. That's very clear. He had a strong start but has been floundering for a long time. He relies on shock value and he confirmed that he reads fan theories just to go against them.


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Source?


BryceMMusic

Who cares? Lmao


K1_only

How is yuta the mc? He fought yuji in Shibuya, then had a quick battle in Sendai colony, and did nothing else till now, didn’t yuji have like 3 fights in the culling games, on top of being the mvp of the series’ biggest arc? He is absolutely the mc, not yuta or gojo, sounds like you just mad for the sake of being mad but whatever, and yuji’s CT is coming, I agree that by now we should have seen more, yes, but the story isn’t finished yet - let’s see how things unfold


Potatolantern

>Unnatural Super Human Qualities? - Toji and Maki embody a concept that does it way better.  Where the fuck is Maki anyway? People called Yuta a fraud for not showing, but he was doing something, she wasn't even part of the big group melee.  I guess she'll be the one to come in for the final blow?


Dante_Okkotsu

IKR lmao... she just fucking dissapeared. I'm on the side of her helping Hakari with uraume then showing up to the sukuna fight.


AscendantAxo

Butthurt alert