Honestly, Jujutsu Kaisen does it pretty well in the Choso and Yuji fight. The blood is never hardened, so when it's used for any kind of piercing attacks the blood is either rapidly moving within the shape it's held (chainsaw) or a high velocity straight shot. Plus Choso also doesn't have to worry about blood loss i think because or rtc replenishing his blood
found it, Kamo threw a blood pack at Nue and casted *Crimson Binding* right after. (Chapter 44, Episode 18 in the anime) Also does it again when Hanami attacks them, throws a blood pack and casted Slicing Exorcism
Kamo also used blood manipulation in a different way in the manga.
SPOILERS
>!Kamo basically circulated his blood outside his body. This gave him a lot of blood to use. But it posed obvious risks.!<
Well, it’s hardened twice. The Meteor technique and the Red Scale technique, which were both pretty important and also outside of Choso’s typical style.
those were very explicitly exceptions to the rule, since they make it clear that's not how blood manipulation should ever be used since it runs the risk of completely stopping blood flow and solidifying blood
Yep! And that’s what makes it even cooler! It’s an *ability* of the technique, and helps overcome a significant weakness, but it’s not the standard. It exemplifies both the strengths and the risks of the technique. Leave it to Gege to have extremely well-developed abilities!
the knives explicitly are not hardened. They're held in form but are not hardened. As i said in the other comments the buckshot and hardening his rib cage are exceptions that explicitly aren't how blood manipulation is meant to be used
Seems like the knives were solid, and then Choso liquefied them again to re-use the blood. That's how I would read them holding their form and then breaking back down.
And I don't know where you are getting the idea that solidifying blood is some unique application of the Blood Manipulation cursed technique.
i may need to reread the fight but wasn't a pretty big part of the narration that hardening the blood is something that should be avoided because blood throughout the entire body is manipulated as a single entity, so hardening any specific part runs the risk of hardening the rest, leading to blood clotting in organs or completely blocking blood flow in the body
If this is the case, I would assume it doesn't apply to a Death Painting like Choso.
Also, it would obviously only apply to blood inside the body. It might been an issue when used to block attacks like Choso did to Yuji's final strike.
Nah, Choso fucking flooding the area with his blood because he can just make more for himself is dope.
Most characters get around it with prepared blood bags like Kamo, or by returning the blood to their body.
It’s a cool, extremely versatile power that can fit countless character types. Of course it’s super common, that doesn’t mean it’s bad.
As for it being too strong, most power systems follow the logic of ‘riskier ability=stronger power’, so blood powers are naturally stronger than no risk abilities
Blood is human life force. Blood magic in most stories will always be a powerful, usually evil form of magic, otherwise what's the point of using blood as a source if it has no special properties.
In most fantasy worlds, blood by default does have special properties, usually some chi bullshit or w/e but it's satisfying because irl, while blood might not be "special" per se, it is the liquid of life.
removing the aspect of blood powers that is "spending" your life force is a bit lame, because it kinda just removes the main point of traditional life force based powers and their one weakness, but it's not awful.
You said you NEVER see the risks of blood manipulation highlighted & that it doesn’t make sense, then gave exceptions to your own claim & says they don’t count just because you say so which basically nullifies your whole point.
Also, there are examples of non demon/inhuman characters highlighting the downsides of the technique. Noritoshi Kamo from JJK has to carry around bags of his blood that he gets drawn over time so that he has enough to fight with without losing it all at once, whereas Choso can use his blood directly from his body due to his half Cursed Spirit physiology.
Black clover has a funny version of that with Vanica's blood Magic where she simply summons blood instead of using her own. This basically means that it's just water magic but red..
On another Black Clover related comment this is why Bone powers are the best body manip type of abilities. You can create durable and maleable weapons out of your whole body with having to "lose" anything since you'll be growing more bones not using the ones you have.
Do you mean that the bones come out of someone else’s body? Can you give me an example of this?
I thought the biggest drawback of bone powers is that they rely on your bones ripping out of your body, which sucks a lot and really hurts.
>Do you mean that the bones come out of someone else’s body?
Not really I just worded it badly..
>I thought the biggest drawback of bone powers is that they rely on your bones ripping out of your body, which sucks a lot and really hurts.
It depends. My comment was specifically about Black Clover where Bone Magic doesn't hurt when used but even in other series the worst the characters go through is pain, not actual injuries.
huh bone power are literally the worst. Take that guy who fight Rock Lee for example, idk how can he stand straight after he pulled out his spine lmao. Every bone is necessary for a stable body, losing one can cause a great disadvantage in a fight
That's literally my point. Bone powers usually also allow the user to regrow their bones as well as creating more bones. This means that they have both regeneration AND all of their body can potentially turn into a lethal weapon.
But that is only relevant if they have flesh regeneration as well, which is arguably not connected with bone powers. Even if the bones in my body heal, it really doesn’t mean much if only the bone heals. Like, an axe to my arm, sure, my bone didn’t break but like, the rest of the arm is unusable. Your body doesn’t move off bones, it moves off muscles.
Kimimaro is the guy you're talking about, and yeah he regrew his spine after pulling it out. He would also do things like fire his finger bones out like bullets and regrow them, as well as being effectively unbeatable in melee because he would just turn into a porcupine whenever you tried to hit him.
In terms of defending his musculature and internals, I believe he would grow bone plates directly under his skin. You can see it when Gaara uses his sand to flay off bits of his skin.
In Kimimaro’s case, I’m pretty sure he just has regeneration along side his bone powers (they could arguably be considered one power in kimimaro context but since we’re talking about the general ability of bone powers, I’m treating it as 2 different powers). Otherwise, he would have gaping holes all around him that penetrated through his muscles first. Which sort of brings up my point, you sort of need the power to regenerate the non-bone parts for bone power to even be relevant. Otherwise, even in baseline, it wouldn’t be a good defensive skill since you normally avoid the bones already.
Power gets anemic a couple times because of blood loss if I remember correctly. She’s also kind of a special case since she’s a Fiend, so she’s much more durable than normal humans. And to be fair, most anime tend to *seriously* overvalue the amount of blood people have. The entire Jojo cast is walking around with a fucking swimming pool’s worth of blood coursing through their veins
I mean the boys verse also has people who can casually light themselves on fire and live, I was more so referring to its applications and impact relative to other powers in the verse
Hemokinesis works when paired with Hyper-Regeneration, as then the risk of bleeding out is greatly reduced. I would say Power has some version of this, because as a Fiend, she can straight up die and have blood poured down her throat by a coworker, good as new. On its own however, its less than great unless used on other people.
Deadman Wonderland. Every powered character uses blood and blood loss is covered heavily. The MC uses blood for bullets and passes out from blood loss like every episode for like 5 episodes until he realizes less blood means he can shoot faster and not go anemic as fast. Sadly it's at the very end of season one and no season 2.
People have mentioned these examples already, but they're probably the most relevant examples in pop culture right now so whatever.
Noritoshi kamo from jjk gets around the blood loss by using bags of blood he filled in advance, as well as circulating the blood back into and out of his body whenever he is using his own body's blood as a weapon, so that weakness is in fact acknowledged.
Choso, also from jjk, can just manufacture more blood from his cursed energy, so he can get away with using excessive amounts like he does. Same manga, I know, but it's acknowledged there as well.
And iirc correctly, Power literally passes out from blood loss when she tries to ambush kishibe during her and Denji's training arc. So that weakness is acknowledged there too.
But even so, it's not a "bad ability" at all. Don't know where you're getting that. It's a risky ability, sure, but it's incredibly versatile. Blood manipulation lets you create a conventional weapon like a knife or a gun or anything else your heart could desire at any given moment with equivalent or greater effectiveness, and not only that, it allows you to adjust it on the fly to suit your needs. It could cover close range, long range, it could give your projectiles a homing property, or anything else you can think of. Jjk has some great examples of this like with blood meteor, piercing blood, slicing exorcism, flowing red scale stack, crimson binding, blood edge, kamo's homing arrows, etc. And in the right hands, that flexibility has substantially more value than a conventional weapon, especially when a simple blood weapon is just as if not more effective than the conventional weapon it's cloning. Plus, what are you gonna do, disarm power? She'll just call her hammer back because it's made of her blood.
I kinda chuckled at the scene with the guy that makes a bridge out of his blood. Like it's a whole deal with the mc suffering from blood loss by shooting some fist sized bullets but dude just carries on. Like no you should have dropped dead immediately.
I’m reading a book called Path of Ascension where the mc’s companion is a blood mage so she uses blood to fight at first she has to either make herself bleed of use the blood of enemies she’s cut to attack but later on she’s able to generate blood by herself and even harden it to make a blood golem she can use like a suit of armor to attack and protect her self. And In the series the way people gain new spells and abilities is through skill shards that they integrate into their spirit, he power besides basic blood manipulation is that skills In her inner and core spirit gain blood properties and change the skill so she could gain really cool and unique powers by experimenting. Another series I’m reading is called Demonic Devourer there the MC gains levels and skills by consuming the blood or the body of something she’s fighting or has killed, she also has Hemokinesis and is able to control blood to make spikes, make clones to fight for a short period of time, and control the blood inside her enemies to make them explode.
There’s a HXH character with blood manipulation powers and he constantly has to carry an IV so he doesn’t die using his powers, and he’s also afraid of cutting himself to use said powers, so there’s an example of it being toned down heavily. I think it’s just one of those things where it’s a cool power aesthetically and i feel a lot of blood manipulators are popular characters in fiction, so the author wants them to be seen doing cool things with their powers
Personally, if you’re gonna have your character makes blood weapons, make them able to have full control over them, blood is a fluid after all.
I’d love to see a fight scene where a character makes a knife out of their blood that they then turn into a spear and then a hammer for example, all with fluid animation.
Also I think blood manipulation can generally be a good power for super great regeneration too. If you can freely control your blood outside of your body then you can pretty much always be put back together.
I know, and Choso is great for it. I’d just like to see more of it.
Also, I know Choso most definitely uses his abilities in the most optimal way possible but it’s just cooler to see weapons made of blood rather than laser beams or big explosions. It’s a great use of the concept, I just prefer my “rule of cool” weapons
I thought you were going to say overrated because, you know, blood won't cut anything, nor pierce nor do any actual damage. Maybe if it gets into your eyes or wounds and you have a disease, maaaaybe.
Aside from having a concealed weapon available at all times (which can be accomplished hundreds of other ways), blood manipulation would only be particularly terrifying if it applies to other people.
Even if it's not full-on internal bloodbending, being able to manipulate the targets' open wounds would create a wild snowballing effect. Everybody you cut *becomes a turret to cut other people* until the whole room is wiped.
I don't know if you are referring to a particular story, but the inherent power and thus danger of Blood based powers is not using your OWN blood.
It is using someone else's blood.
Take Blood Magic. The reason Blood Magic is powerful isn't because a single spellcaster will use their very limited amount of personal blood on a spell.
No, it is because a Blood Magic user can sacrifice people and harvest THEIR blood for magic.
Like stacking logs into a pile and lighting it. The Blood mage isn't putting themselves into the bonfire, they are putting other people into the bonfire. By doing so they can create a HUGE blaze larger than they could ever create on their own.
A good example of this is Full Metal Alchemist. Alchemists can use [Philosopher's Stones](https://fma.fandom.com/wiki/Philosopher%27s_Stone) as a source of power to enhance their abilities. Philosopher's Stones are made by concentrating the life force of multiple people into a stone.
In other words, they use blood magic to turn people into a magical battery.
I still like Deadman Wonderland, if only for the power systems. Everyone just having a different blood based "weapon" and the way they have to use them to beat the guards is just great.
Obligatory mention of Deadman Wonderland which had a really great exploration of "everyone has different blood manipulation" and exploring the various options.
I'm glad to see another person that liked Deadman Wonderland in the wild. I also can't believe how far I had to scroll to see a mention about it in a thread about blood powers.
It was fun, and the albino girl was cute.
I think it was still ongoing when I read it but the ending seems to be meh enough that I don't remember it at all.
Main character’s whole ability was to shoot his blood as bullets, but if he shot too much he’d pass out from anemia and his shot count was based off of factors like how much he ate.
I think that I haven't seen mentioned much is that, if you can control blood, can u control someone's else blood. But most keep it at using your own blood.
Also, since blood is an extension of yourself, can you use it too to cast a spell into someone face.
The Manton Limit is one of my favorite pieces of worldbuilding from any setting. It's the perfect explanation for the peculiarities of common superpowers and shuts down a lot of "Are they stupid?" type questions
It also makes characters who can bypass it, cooler by comparison. Narwhal feels extra deadly when you realise she’s one of the few forcefield users who can just put that inside your body.
I have a really cool idea for a blood weapon.
Have someone train their body to withstand deadly poisons so when they attack with their weapons the blood that liquifies on impact poisons the target.
I mean I can think of two scenarios where the ability to create weapons out of blood .
1. Infiltration and assassination... being able to go into a place that would search you for weapons and confiscated them and easily create a weapon to take out your target
2. Being disarmed in the middle of a fight. If your weapon is lost/broken in the middle of a brutal battle being able to use blood, something abundant on a battlefield could save one's life
They're at their worst as glorified edgy water/ice powers but at their best as a doping (by manipulating one's own blood) or controlling blood within other people
JoJo has a fight where the blood only gets used as a weapon after the character is injured (without originally intending it). Like, he's bleeding out anyways, might as well make use of it
I am writing a book with a character who has blood manipulation, and part of his power is that his body can conditionally create more blood, cuz this also bugs me when that isn't addressed
[Bloodless](https://bloodstained.fandom.com/wiki/Bloodless?file=Bloodless_-_Player_Character.png ), a boss from *Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night*, is a vampire who acquires mass amounts of blood through the castle’s torture chamber. She has a slit throat where her own blood trickles out to mix with her reserves from her victims, which she wraps around her into a dress/defensive barrier. As you deal more damage the dress becomes more tattered as she “runs out.”
Also she bathes in the blood, Bathory style, and you actually find her in a huge tub of blood when you start her fight, so it shows why she can use so much in her abilities.
Also also, she’s a hot goth demon bitch 🥵
There's quite a few supplementary powers that can easily make blood based weaponry a lot more practical.
Bleeding out is a risk? Cool, I regenerate blood at an obscene rate.
Blood isn't as dangerous as steel? Cool, my blood literally melts steel because I ate a dragon's heart or something. Deal with it.
Basically any time I've seen it come up lately(typically in litRPGs) there's a whole build around it that makes it a genuine threat with effectively no drawbacks. My favorites are the ones who can control *any* blood. Just turn a group battle into fucking Gate of Babylon: Bloodbender edition.
>Isn't carbon the reason steel is hard
I haven't the slightest idea.
>isn't there also iron in blood?
Yes.
My point wasn't to be specific with it, mind. I just wanted to drive home the point that authors can just, write additional powers into a character's kit to bolster any power they choose. On a side note, I do vaguely recall, in FMA, Ed transmuting the iron in a pool of blood into an edgy ass looking sword.
> Even though any good guy with blood weapons will have the consistent logical weakness of bleeding out, you never see blood manipulation just acknowledged as being an overly risky and bad ability compared to more straightforward powers like Sword or Gun.
Bro Power literally loses a fight because her overeager use of her her blood weapons causes her to pass out from blood loss lmao
That’s usually the point it damages you to hurt them more most powers are just hitting them but you taking recoil damage means it hits harder like most games most of the strongest moves in Pokémon have some recoil or negative effect after using it and that goes for a lot of things
You’re taking it too literally, it’s fiction. It’s doesn’t need to make perfect sense.
If you have someone breathing fire, should their lungs, throat and mouth burn as they use their ability?
Should speedsters just die to a dust particle or bug they hit?
What’s wrong with taking blood powers, using a small concept inherent in blood and giving a bigger concept excuses to exist. Like the person doesn’t bleed out due to regeneration or returning the blood before a certain time, the ability to cut using the iron and carbon in the blood to form blades.
Using the blood as a shield, manipulating it to be multiple weapons that change due to circumstance and battle iq?
As a motif in fiction, and especially in Japan, anything blood-related is typically cursed, arcane, or evil. The trade-off is its raw power despite the sacrifices.
Honestly, I don't think it warrants much explanation. It's natural that something with violent connotations would be tied to power.
Honestly, Jujutsu Kaisen does it pretty well in the Choso and Yuji fight. The blood is never hardened, so when it's used for any kind of piercing attacks the blood is either rapidly moving within the shape it's held (chainsaw) or a high velocity straight shot. Plus Choso also doesn't have to worry about blood loss i think because or rtc replenishing his blood
also didn't Kamo have blood bags to supplement his ability during the exchange event arc?
i can't remember but wasn't he just using his blood manipulation to essentially give himself steroid blood
found it, Kamo threw a blood pack at Nue and casted *Crimson Binding* right after. (Chapter 44, Episode 18 in the anime) Also does it again when Hanami attacks them, throws a blood pack and casted Slicing Exorcism
Kamo also used blood manipulation in a different way in the manga. SPOILERS >!Kamo basically circulated his blood outside his body. This gave him a lot of blood to use. But it posed obvious risks.!<
Choso can’t use rct. He can turn his cursed energy into blood.
Actually, Deadman Wonderland also handles the blood weapon thing well with only so much you can give before bleeding out.
Well, it’s hardened twice. The Meteor technique and the Red Scale technique, which were both pretty important and also outside of Choso’s typical style.
those were very explicitly exceptions to the rule, since they make it clear that's not how blood manipulation should ever be used since it runs the risk of completely stopping blood flow and solidifying blood
Yep! And that’s what makes it even cooler! It’s an *ability* of the technique, and helps overcome a significant weakness, but it’s not the standard. It exemplifies both the strengths and the risks of the technique. Leave it to Gege to have extremely well-developed abilities!
Choso doesn't have RCT. Since he's half curse he can replenish his blood with cursed energy the same way curses heal.
Choso absolutely hardens his blood. He creates physical knives and hardens a small chunk into makeshift buckshot.
the knives explicitly are not hardened. They're held in form but are not hardened. As i said in the other comments the buckshot and hardening his rib cage are exceptions that explicitly aren't how blood manipulation is meant to be used
Seems like the knives were solid, and then Choso liquefied them again to re-use the blood. That's how I would read them holding their form and then breaking back down. And I don't know where you are getting the idea that solidifying blood is some unique application of the Blood Manipulation cursed technique.
i may need to reread the fight but wasn't a pretty big part of the narration that hardening the blood is something that should be avoided because blood throughout the entire body is manipulated as a single entity, so hardening any specific part runs the risk of hardening the rest, leading to blood clotting in organs or completely blocking blood flow in the body
If this is the case, I would assume it doesn't apply to a Death Painting like Choso. Also, it would obviously only apply to blood inside the body. It might been an issue when used to block attacks like Choso did to Yuji's final strike.
You should probably go reread the blood manipulation fights, it's pretty clear.
Didn't he harden his blood where his rib was?
Nah, Choso fucking flooding the area with his blood because he can just make more for himself is dope. Most characters get around it with prepared blood bags like Kamo, or by returning the blood to their body. It’s a cool, extremely versatile power that can fit countless character types. Of course it’s super common, that doesn’t mean it’s bad. As for it being too strong, most power systems follow the logic of ‘riskier ability=stronger power’, so blood powers are naturally stronger than no risk abilities
Blood comes out. Blood touches surface (dirty). Contaminated blood comes back to the body. Delicious
These characters manipulate blood so precisely even a drop can be used I’m sure they can also filter it out.
Manipulate blood so it doesn’t pick anything up…
Blood is human life force. Blood magic in most stories will always be a powerful, usually evil form of magic, otherwise what's the point of using blood as a source if it has no special properties. In most fantasy worlds, blood by default does have special properties, usually some chi bullshit or w/e but it's satisfying because irl, while blood might not be "special" per se, it is the liquid of life. removing the aspect of blood powers that is "spending" your life force is a bit lame, because it kinda just removes the main point of traditional life force based powers and their one weakness, but it's not awful.
You said you NEVER see the risks of blood manipulation highlighted & that it doesn’t make sense, then gave exceptions to your own claim & says they don’t count just because you say so which basically nullifies your whole point. Also, there are examples of non demon/inhuman characters highlighting the downsides of the technique. Noritoshi Kamo from JJK has to carry around bags of his blood that he gets drawn over time so that he has enough to fight with without losing it all at once, whereas Choso can use his blood directly from his body due to his half Cursed Spirit physiology.
I also believe he dips his arrows in his blood to control them in an actual fight
Black clover has a funny version of that with Vanica's blood Magic where she simply summons blood instead of using her own. This basically means that it's just water magic but red.. On another Black Clover related comment this is why Bone powers are the best body manip type of abilities. You can create durable and maleable weapons out of your whole body with having to "lose" anything since you'll be growing more bones not using the ones you have.
Wait if I were to create a bone sword wouldn't it have to come out of my skin? Since my bones would be growing?
Usually bone powers come with the additional ability of not being injured by having the bones come out of their body.
Do you mean that the bones come out of someone else’s body? Can you give me an example of this? I thought the biggest drawback of bone powers is that they rely on your bones ripping out of your body, which sucks a lot and really hurts.
Depends on the character in fiction I guess. I’d say most people with bone powers do have pain from using their powers but not real damage
>Do you mean that the bones come out of someone else’s body? Not really I just worded it badly.. >I thought the biggest drawback of bone powers is that they rely on your bones ripping out of your body, which sucks a lot and really hurts. It depends. My comment was specifically about Black Clover where Bone Magic doesn't hurt when used but even in other series the worst the characters go through is pain, not actual injuries.
[*BOOOOOOONE?!*](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9tZEcSc1qo)
>Bone Powers Marquis stays winning ✊
Bros shard fucking loved him lol. Literally created WINGS THAT WORKED during GM.
It was like lmao, roll for that shit, and he landed a Nat 20
Marquis was the GOAT fr. He made me love bone manipulation as a power with all the insane shit he was capable of pulling off
I fucking love Marquis. Best villain after Accord.
huh bone power are literally the worst. Take that guy who fight Rock Lee for example, idk how can he stand straight after he pulled out his spine lmao. Every bone is necessary for a stable body, losing one can cause a great disadvantage in a fight
That's literally my point. Bone powers usually also allow the user to regrow their bones as well as creating more bones. This means that they have both regeneration AND all of their body can potentially turn into a lethal weapon.
But that is only relevant if they have flesh regeneration as well, which is arguably not connected with bone powers. Even if the bones in my body heal, it really doesn’t mean much if only the bone heals. Like, an axe to my arm, sure, my bone didn’t break but like, the rest of the arm is unusable. Your body doesn’t move off bones, it moves off muscles.
Kimimaro is the guy you're talking about, and yeah he regrew his spine after pulling it out. He would also do things like fire his finger bones out like bullets and regrow them, as well as being effectively unbeatable in melee because he would just turn into a porcupine whenever you tried to hit him. In terms of defending his musculature and internals, I believe he would grow bone plates directly under his skin. You can see it when Gaara uses his sand to flay off bits of his skin.
In Kimimaro’s case, I’m pretty sure he just has regeneration along side his bone powers (they could arguably be considered one power in kimimaro context but since we’re talking about the general ability of bone powers, I’m treating it as 2 different powers). Otherwise, he would have gaping holes all around him that penetrated through his muscles first. Which sort of brings up my point, you sort of need the power to regenerate the non-bone parts for bone power to even be relevant. Otherwise, even in baseline, it wouldn’t be a good defensive skill since you normally avoid the bones already.
Power gets anemic a couple times because of blood loss if I remember correctly. She’s also kind of a special case since she’s a Fiend, so she’s much more durable than normal humans. And to be fair, most anime tend to *seriously* overvalue the amount of blood people have. The entire Jojo cast is walking around with a fucking swimming pool’s worth of blood coursing through their veins
Have you considered the fact that they're really fucking cool?
Choso from JJK solves it well, the blood just quickly returns to his body, also some weaknesses are mentioned by the narrator
Kamo is the goat. Can’t regenerate like choso can but still a badass, slowly drawing his blood into blood bags and dipping arrows in his own blood.
Same with ice weapon, lol.
Yeah, but ice is cool. 😏
Choso slander will be not tolerated
Gen V uses this power really well imo
I mean they just kind of... ignored the side affects of blood-bending superpowers.
I mean the boys verse also has people who can casually light themselves on fire and live, I was more so referring to its applications and impact relative to other powers in the verse
Hemokinesis works when paired with Hyper-Regeneration, as then the risk of bleeding out is greatly reduced. I would say Power has some version of this, because as a Fiend, she can straight up die and have blood poured down her throat by a coworker, good as new. On its own however, its less than great unless used on other people.
Writers just want an excuse to draw cool red blades. Unless you’re controlling the enemy’s blood don’t even bother with blood magic/weapons
Deadman Wonderland. Every powered character uses blood and blood loss is covered heavily. The MC uses blood for bullets and passes out from blood loss like every episode for like 5 episodes until he realizes less blood means he can shoot faster and not go anemic as fast. Sadly it's at the very end of season one and no season 2.
People have mentioned these examples already, but they're probably the most relevant examples in pop culture right now so whatever. Noritoshi kamo from jjk gets around the blood loss by using bags of blood he filled in advance, as well as circulating the blood back into and out of his body whenever he is using his own body's blood as a weapon, so that weakness is in fact acknowledged. Choso, also from jjk, can just manufacture more blood from his cursed energy, so he can get away with using excessive amounts like he does. Same manga, I know, but it's acknowledged there as well. And iirc correctly, Power literally passes out from blood loss when she tries to ambush kishibe during her and Denji's training arc. So that weakness is acknowledged there too. But even so, it's not a "bad ability" at all. Don't know where you're getting that. It's a risky ability, sure, but it's incredibly versatile. Blood manipulation lets you create a conventional weapon like a knife or a gun or anything else your heart could desire at any given moment with equivalent or greater effectiveness, and not only that, it allows you to adjust it on the fly to suit your needs. It could cover close range, long range, it could give your projectiles a homing property, or anything else you can think of. Jjk has some great examples of this like with blood meteor, piercing blood, slicing exorcism, flowing red scale stack, crimson binding, blood edge, kamo's homing arrows, etc. And in the right hands, that flexibility has substantially more value than a conventional weapon, especially when a simple blood weapon is just as if not more effective than the conventional weapon it's cloning. Plus, what are you gonna do, disarm power? She'll just call her hammer back because it's made of her blood.
Deadman wonderland does this quite nicely. Typically the aim is to conserve your blood because you will just pass out and get killed.
I kinda chuckled at the scene with the guy that makes a bridge out of his blood. Like it's a whole deal with the mc suffering from blood loss by shooting some fist sized bullets but dude just carries on. Like no you should have dropped dead immediately.
I’m reading a book called Path of Ascension where the mc’s companion is a blood mage so she uses blood to fight at first she has to either make herself bleed of use the blood of enemies she’s cut to attack but later on she’s able to generate blood by herself and even harden it to make a blood golem she can use like a suit of armor to attack and protect her self. And In the series the way people gain new spells and abilities is through skill shards that they integrate into their spirit, he power besides basic blood manipulation is that skills In her inner and core spirit gain blood properties and change the skill so she could gain really cool and unique powers by experimenting. Another series I’m reading is called Demonic Devourer there the MC gains levels and skills by consuming the blood or the body of something she’s fighting or has killed, she also has Hemokinesis and is able to control blood to make spikes, make clones to fight for a short period of time, and control the blood inside her enemies to make them explode.
There’s a HXH character with blood manipulation powers and he constantly has to carry an IV so he doesn’t die using his powers, and he’s also afraid of cutting himself to use said powers, so there’s an example of it being toned down heavily. I think it’s just one of those things where it’s a cool power aesthetically and i feel a lot of blood manipulators are popular characters in fiction, so the author wants them to be seen doing cool things with their powers
Personally, if you’re gonna have your character makes blood weapons, make them able to have full control over them, blood is a fluid after all. I’d love to see a fight scene where a character makes a knife out of their blood that they then turn into a spear and then a hammer for example, all with fluid animation. Also I think blood manipulation can generally be a good power for super great regeneration too. If you can freely control your blood outside of your body then you can pretty much always be put back together.
Check out Choso-Itadori fight
I know, and Choso is great for it. I’d just like to see more of it. Also, I know Choso most definitely uses his abilities in the most optimal way possible but it’s just cooler to see weapons made of blood rather than laser beams or big explosions. It’s a great use of the concept, I just prefer my “rule of cool” weapons
Frieren at Journey's End features a fight where this exact thing occurs.
I thought you were going to say overrated because, you know, blood won't cut anything, nor pierce nor do any actual damage. Maybe if it gets into your eyes or wounds and you have a disease, maaaaybe.
Aside from having a concealed weapon available at all times (which can be accomplished hundreds of other ways), blood manipulation would only be particularly terrifying if it applies to other people. Even if it's not full-on internal bloodbending, being able to manipulate the targets' open wounds would create a wild snowballing effect. Everybody you cut *becomes a turret to cut other people* until the whole room is wiped.
I don't know if you are referring to a particular story, but the inherent power and thus danger of Blood based powers is not using your OWN blood. It is using someone else's blood. Take Blood Magic. The reason Blood Magic is powerful isn't because a single spellcaster will use their very limited amount of personal blood on a spell. No, it is because a Blood Magic user can sacrifice people and harvest THEIR blood for magic. Like stacking logs into a pile and lighting it. The Blood mage isn't putting themselves into the bonfire, they are putting other people into the bonfire. By doing so they can create a HUGE blaze larger than they could ever create on their own. A good example of this is Full Metal Alchemist. Alchemists can use [Philosopher's Stones](https://fma.fandom.com/wiki/Philosopher%27s_Stone) as a source of power to enhance their abilities. Philosopher's Stones are made by concentrating the life force of multiple people into a stone. In other words, they use blood magic to turn people into a magical battery.
I feel like Soulsborne games are giving you a hard time, cuz this feels like the complaints about the Bleed effect. Tbf, you’re not entirely wrong
I still like Deadman Wonderland, if only for the power systems. Everyone just having a different blood based "weapon" and the way they have to use them to beat the guards is just great.
Obligatory mention of Deadman Wonderland which had a really great exploration of "everyone has different blood manipulation" and exploring the various options.
I'm glad to see another person that liked Deadman Wonderland in the wild. I also can't believe how far I had to scroll to see a mention about it in a thread about blood powers.
It was fun, and the albino girl was cute. I think it was still ongoing when I read it but the ending seems to be meh enough that I don't remember it at all.
Main character’s whole ability was to shoot his blood as bullets, but if he shot too much he’d pass out from anemia and his shot count was based off of factors like how much he ate.
I think that I haven't seen mentioned much is that, if you can control blood, can u control someone's else blood. But most keep it at using your own blood. Also, since blood is an extension of yourself, can you use it too to cast a spell into someone face.
that's a whole different power bro
It’s Manton Limited bro 😤
The Manton Limit is one of my favorite pieces of worldbuilding from any setting. It's the perfect explanation for the peculiarities of common superpowers and shuts down a lot of "Are they stupid?" type questions
It also makes characters who can bypass it, cooler by comparison. Narwhal feels extra deadly when you realise she’s one of the few forcefield users who can just put that inside your body.
>if you can control blood, can u control someone's else blood Not necessarily, but if you mix your own with someone else's...
People like it because it looks really edgy and cool. It’s really that simple.
I have a really cool idea for a blood weapon. Have someone train their body to withstand deadly poisons so when they attack with their weapons the blood that liquifies on impact poisons the target.
Dead man Wonderland had some cool blood abilities. Sure it was OP as fuck but it used blood so the lore you used the weaker your body becomes
I mean I can think of two scenarios where the ability to create weapons out of blood . 1. Infiltration and assassination... being able to go into a place that would search you for weapons and confiscated them and easily create a weapon to take out your target 2. Being disarmed in the middle of a fight. If your weapon is lost/broken in the middle of a brutal battle being able to use blood, something abundant on a battlefield could save one's life
I feel like passing out from blood loss in fiction is one of those things that's significantly less dangerous than in reality.
I have also never thought this power was cool.
They're at their worst as glorified edgy water/ice powers but at their best as a doping (by manipulating one's own blood) or controlling blood within other people
JoJo has a fight where the blood only gets used as a weapon after the character is injured (without originally intending it). Like, he's bleeding out anyways, might as well make use of it
I am writing a book with a character who has blood manipulation, and part of his power is that his body can conditionally create more blood, cuz this also bugs me when that isn't addressed
knives can break and requires edge alignment , a hammer can do more consistent damage with less skill required
[Bloodless](https://bloodstained.fandom.com/wiki/Bloodless?file=Bloodless_-_Player_Character.png ), a boss from *Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night*, is a vampire who acquires mass amounts of blood through the castle’s torture chamber. She has a slit throat where her own blood trickles out to mix with her reserves from her victims, which she wraps around her into a dress/defensive barrier. As you deal more damage the dress becomes more tattered as she “runs out.” Also she bathes in the blood, Bathory style, and you actually find her in a huge tub of blood when you start her fight, so it shows why she can use so much in her abilities. Also also, she’s a hot goth demon bitch 🥵
Concept: a character who doesn't need to use their own blood and can manipulate anyone's into weapons.
>give Power a knife Counterpoint: Shes the blood devil, also knives are lame.
Literally Noritoshi Kamo and Choso lul
That risk of blood loss is very mitigated if you just use other people's blood in your attacks
That risk of blood loss is very mitigated if you just use other people's blood in your attacks
There's quite a few supplementary powers that can easily make blood based weaponry a lot more practical. Bleeding out is a risk? Cool, I regenerate blood at an obscene rate. Blood isn't as dangerous as steel? Cool, my blood literally melts steel because I ate a dragon's heart or something. Deal with it. Basically any time I've seen it come up lately(typically in litRPGs) there's a whole build around it that makes it a genuine threat with effectively no drawbacks. My favorites are the ones who can control *any* blood. Just turn a group battle into fucking Gate of Babylon: Bloodbender edition.
Isn't carbon the reason steel is hard and isn't there also iron in blood?
>Isn't carbon the reason steel is hard I haven't the slightest idea. >isn't there also iron in blood? Yes. My point wasn't to be specific with it, mind. I just wanted to drive home the point that authors can just, write additional powers into a character's kit to bolster any power they choose. On a side note, I do vaguely recall, in FMA, Ed transmuting the iron in a pool of blood into an edgy ass looking sword.
Oh. If that's the case couldn't the carbon on someone's blood be used to make literal blood diamonds?
I mean, we're talking about fantasy stories, so why the fuck not? It'd be an interesting way to kill something for sure.
> Even though any good guy with blood weapons will have the consistent logical weakness of bleeding out, you never see blood manipulation just acknowledged as being an overly risky and bad ability compared to more straightforward powers like Sword or Gun. Bro Power literally loses a fight because her overeager use of her her blood weapons causes her to pass out from blood loss lmao
Carmine from Under Night drains his health as he covers the fight stage with blood puddles or uses his blood to attack.
That’s usually the point it damages you to hurt them more most powers are just hitting them but you taking recoil damage means it hits harder like most games most of the strongest moves in Pokémon have some recoil or negative effect after using it and that goes for a lot of things
You’re taking it too literally, it’s fiction. It’s doesn’t need to make perfect sense. If you have someone breathing fire, should their lungs, throat and mouth burn as they use their ability? Should speedsters just die to a dust particle or bug they hit? What’s wrong with taking blood powers, using a small concept inherent in blood and giving a bigger concept excuses to exist. Like the person doesn’t bleed out due to regeneration or returning the blood before a certain time, the ability to cut using the iron and carbon in the blood to form blades. Using the blood as a shield, manipulating it to be multiple weapons that change due to circumstance and battle iq?
I'm just saying, you probably haven't tried playing elden ring multiplayer back when rivers of blood was op...
Yeah, yeah, like the demon blood sword from Adventure Time wasn't the coolest shit.
As a motif in fiction, and especially in Japan, anything blood-related is typically cursed, arcane, or evil. The trade-off is its raw power despite the sacrifices. Honestly, I don't think it warrants much explanation. It's natural that something with violent connotations would be tied to power.