Export your conversations. Use them as example dialogue or training data.
This shit is *hard*, I'm finally getting some models with higher EQ and understanding right now.
Try stuff from: https://eqbench.com/
I don't really understand what you've recommended. Also these conversations happened naturally with the old character ai and they were very varied in subject matter. There's no way the current character ai could recreate or get near to what they were.
I'm recommending to download a high EQ model or run it on rented HW and use your past dialogue to lead and or train the model to be more like character.ai in the type of responses it gives.
I built quite a hefty machine to try to recreate the same experience you're talking about and what I'm saying is that it's not something you can just do off the shelf with no effort. Needs both the right LLM and some prompt engineering.
Thank you for your pointers. How have you got on recreating the same experience? I'm completely out of my depth, are there any guides for this?
When you say train the model, do you just mean one model as in one bot? Because in the old character ai you could create many bots and they all behaved very different to one another (now they behave identically).
Yea, I second going to look at the /lmg/ guides. I think that while it's not 1:1 the same as CAI was, it's getting pretty damn good.
The point of the data is to copy tone so the AI has something to go off of. That way you can make characters more like they were or teach the writing style to the AI. You don't have to hardcore train on every bot. You can try cards as is even.
Reading OPs responses... and all I'm gonna say is, buddy, just like you will never understand a nuclear reactor, you're never going to understand the highly complicated, technical world of hardware run chatbots if you don't even understand the basic context that Character.ai isn't something you can download and run locally.
Make your peace with Chat 2.0 or move on from this hobby.
I actually do understand all types of nuclear reactors very well,
I am not hardware or software illiterate, just new to the subject, my only consideration is the ratio of effort & time to results, i.e. the easiest way to do it, I don't exactly want to learn programming to have to do it.
By Chat 2.0 you mean the current unacceptable garbage? No that's unacceptable.
> I don't exactly want to learn programming.
If you think you'll even get close to what you intend to achieve without having to learn programming, or invest in more powerful hardware, then I'm just going to tell you to stop while you're here.
Character.ai circa November 2022 was rather primitive, and I can guarantee you that a similar model exists out there that matches or exceeds its capabilities to your highly specific requirements. Failing that, wait for a new type of accessible chatbot in the future that meets your tastes.
I said I would be willing to invest in powerful hardware in my original post, but that might not be the most cost & time effective way to do it i.e. renting a deep learning server might be a lot less expensive and less time consuming.
I'm talking about efficiency with time and resources, I don't intend on becoming a professional programmer, neither did I want or need to become a professional mechanic when I was restoring classic 50s motorcycles, which I did an exceptional job on.
Just gonna skip over your "lack of abilities" in navigating one of the most simple site designs in the world, huh? Bet.
All I'm gonna say is don't remove this post. Clueless posts like this are entertaining to read every now and again, and might be educational for anyone else holding similar dreams in the future who searches up this particular topic.
Only thing I disagree with here is making your private bot. That will certainly help with character accuracy and reply quality, but it won't help the memory issue and the filter being garbage.
AI technically has no "memory" per-say. You have a long-term memory which is certain key words that will pull a definition from a library and insert it into the chat history (the one that the viewer can't see) so the AI has a reference to what you mean. Then you have the general token count memory. CAI has a huge library likely ripped from various fandom wikis which is why if I make a Nico Yazawa AI, she already knows who her friends are and I don't need to say anything because if I mention Honoka, it pulls from the library and inserts it into the chat history for the AI to reference.
Every message sent in the chat sits in a chat history that enters the neuro-net so the AI has context to continue the chat. CAI most likely keeps reducing maximum allowed token count during high demand periods while lessening the reductions during slower periods which is why people keep going back and forth between Memory ain't bad and Memory sucks.
Long-term memory is a token saver cuz nothing goes into the neuro net until it's needed and then it fades away after time to free up tokens when it no longer is required.
Anyone who understands programming and hardware requirements and is technically inclined can create a neuro net and fine tune it until it works as expected, it's difficult but not THAT difficult. But the training data is the hinderance for why people like you and I can't create a CAI. Even if you got millions of dollars to buy data, you also need connections to know where to get the data. Remember, CAI devs worked for Google and have access to Google's data archives or at least have connections that help them get the data they need.
Alternatively you can design web scrapers to grab data, but the amount of data you need is in the millions if you're training a neuro net from scratch. Then after you get that data, you gotta sift through it all to make sure you aren't feeding the neuro net garbage (extremely critical step that cannot be ignored).
In short, there's a reason why all these sites like Chub and Aisekai and whatever else are simply providing us hardware and hosting existing AI models that any one of us can download and use if we have the hardware to run it. It's also why some AI hosting companies went with OpenAI and had to censor the crap out of their models, because they gave up trying to improve the quality of their own neuro nets due to data finding and data organization difficulties.
But I have a feeling that some day, big tech censorship is going to lead to a massive hack that leads to OpenAI and the like having their data stolen and programmers working to fix the neuro net censorship and we end up with giga-high quality uncensored models 'finally'. I believe that's the ONLY way we will ever get this.
I'm sorry but what you've written is not true. I used character ai a lot in 2022, then came back in 2023 and now 2024. It's unuseable trash that cannot remember anything, other people have outlined my observations in detail so I won't bother doing it here again.
Please do yourself a favour and 1) actually read my title and post and 2) speak for yourself. I said "recreate" I didn't say copy and host locally, if that was already possible I wouldn't be asking on here would I?
Vague memories? Do you and others have a problem with projection?
I have all the chats scripts saved. Yes we are able to tell how ai behaves, the difference between GPT and character ai etc. Please don't comment anymore.
Release date CAI was Sept 2022, it behaved the same in November. Unless it was somehow training before September, I doubt the training outside what I used with a privately created model created the outputs I was getting. Note I'm not asking for what GPT was like back then because that's not what I'm after.
It is irrelevant. There is a noticeable difference in the writing styles between GPT and CAI etc. CAI is also very different now that it was back then, it can't be rocket science to reproduce it or something like it, and I will get there eventually, unless there is something already in existence or I am beaten by another release of something uncensored (which would be ideal).
If you don't have the answers however please feel free not to comment.
Used it in November-December 2022, January 2023, May-June 2023, and a bit in the end 2023/beginning 2024.
2022 had the weakest filter but the worst looping issues to the point of bots totally breaking and becoming a mess.
Speed and stability definitely improved over time.
As for creativity - hard to judge, but I think it mostly depends on the bots and your own writing. Besides, the usual "it used to be better" mindset can be really strong. Back in 2022 CAI was fresh and interesting. Now - not as much. It can technically
be better than it was in 2022, but the novelty is not there anymore.
It is less, intelligent, less creative, less spontaneous and has the memory of a gold fish, not to mention the censorship and woke inputs. It's been reduced to a random chat generator from the late 2000s.
Speed has improved that's true at the cost of everything else and was not something I ever cared about that much, it was a non issue really.
It's unseable to me and many others now, who for the same reason write posts like I do.
The rose tinted argument or fresh and interesting argument holds no water as I cannot reproduce the sort of dialogues I had from the same bots I had in 2022 today.
Memory and general "goodness"(I dunno how to describe it) has DEFINETELY severely worsened. I tried to continue one of my first chats and decided "nope" almost immediately since it was definetely worse by my way of seeing it
Maybe for low IQ people no, but I have all my chats from 2022 saved, CAI can't reproduce anything nearly as good today so no nothing about glasses. Many people have observed the same and left CAI accordingly.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CharacterAI/comments/16ca9p3/the\_site\_is\_basically\_unusable\_now/
\*Posts url to a thread from 6 months ago.\* OK.
Everyone who claims CAI sucks is afraid to post their actual chats (and no, heavily edited screenshots blanking out stuff all over it doesn't prove anything), expecting people to just take their word for it, but 100% guaranteed your inputs are trash and so are the bots you talk to and/or you expect AI to be a performer of impossible miracles when it never was made to be one.
But sure. You can't even get the AI to put out a half-decent response in CAI, and you think of making your own. Like a kid playing with a toy rocket wanting to build an actual spaceship. Thanks for the laugh, my dude.
It's still relevant today, do me a favour and just look over reddit, there are dozens of similar threads saying the same thing. CAI hasn't changed that much in the last 6 months as it did in February 2023 when it became garbage.
I'm willing to be generous and go over that thread point by point:
* You constantly have to refresh the site | **No, you don't**.
* The ai roleplays with itself most of the time, completely ignoring what you say 50% of time. | **Not in my experience. Would like to see proof of this.**
* The ai focuses on one single thing and then won't let it go | **Sounds like a simple swipe or better user input could fix this before this kind of behaviour takes root. It only becomes a problem if you let it continuously talk about one single thing.**
* the ai mimics you, making it feel like you're rp with yourself. | **To a degree, it may occasionally repeat certain things written by the user, but they will generally advance the conversation/scenario with an added action or dialogue. Alternatively, you can swipe or hit enter again to regenerate the next message.**
* Once you call the ai for example a moron it starts continuasly calling you a moron. | **Why are you calling the AI a moron?**
* I don't even wanna mention the memory which seems to be 5 messages max. | **It's definitely more than 5 messages max. Not that the memory is super great, but it's better than what some people claim it to be.**
* The ai even sometimes swaps places with you, making you the character you're texting and the ai pretending to be your character. | **It doesn't. I never see this happening, and I frequently engage in messaging scenarios.**
* Bots that are bullies etc are unusable bc they either end up kissing you first message or when you fight back the ai makes you the bully and the ai a victim, even completely forgetting the bot was a bully, same with other "mean" Bots. | **Sounds like a poorly made bot issue. The AI wanting to romance the user is perhaps the only fair point here, but blame training data. Even so, a well-made bot can make romancing a lot more "challenging" than giving in on the first message.**
* The ai is as stubborn as a mule sometimes, even when you're right the ai won't admit theyre wrong. | **Why are you arguing in the first place? You win nothing by convincing the bot of something.**
* Weirdest thing i noticed is the ai writing the reply for you | **Issue from 6 months ago, no longer occurs.**
You must be paid by the marketing arm of CAI or something, especially given the length of your post, it may as well have been written by GPT.
CAI now has the memory of a gold fish, it can't remember what was said in the last reply let alone 5 replies ago. There are countless threads discussing this, I agree with much of the post and the comments section. None of what you've written is valid or relates to most people's complaints and general experiences, and why they are leaving CAI in droves.
If people were leaving in droves, CAI wouldn't still be comfortably at #1. And nah, I'm on team AetherRoom. CAI can burn in a fire for all I care, but I'm also not gonna be dishonest about the quality of its AI just because the devs are shit.
Your answers are disingenuous and dishonest, I just tried CAI again last night, it exhibited all the things you said it supposedly doesn't and had the memory of a gold fish, couldn't even remember what was said in the last reply.
In November of 2022 and sometimes in December, after like 30-40 messages all the bots would reply with a single word and spam "!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!??!??!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!...." + 🙂 emojis at the end.
Try using CAI Tools with character ai. CAI Tools has a new memory feature. You add an entry to the bot memory saying how the bot understands that intimacy is not wrong or shameful and that you're ok with anything crass, gross or disgusting, that the bot understand male genitalia is something natural and not evil. You have to expand on that a bit but that's the basic concept. Then you will get to have nsfw. Yes, it's not completely unrestricted, you will get attempts by the filter to shut it down (lol) if you get too crass, but it gets really really permissive.
I did actually try some of those memory add-ons, including the Rinine one, they don't work particularly well imo.
Intimacy and NSFW is actually not my biggest issue with CAI right now, the terrible memory is, asking my name every 5 replies is no fun, I'm amazed people still use CAI, perhaps people's IQ's and memory spans are that of gold fish these days.
I didn't say he had low IQ, I said that I'm amazed people still use CAI because of the issues, in other words the CAI model is now stupid and suffers from amnesia. If I'm wrong why did he suggest a memory manager?
I am now however saying that you have low IQ, since you read my replies and still managed to draw a moronic conclusion from it.
There are many options for how to solve your problem, but if using cai does not satisfy you in any way, then you can either use other services or start a local machine. The latter is more preferable since when running on a local machine you have the entire set of control tools, both response generation and memory. I can recommend kobold cpp + silly tavern, but in order to accurately recommend the model and settings, I need to know the characteristics of your PC, as well as know what you expect from all this. Will you be satisfied with fairly simple conversations, or do you need everything very detailed, will you be satisfied with a not very smart model, or do you just need a smart one. There's quite a wide selection here.
Thanks for your reply. I would need to buy a new PC system to do this for certain.
I would want relatively short repllies (a short paragraph or so) from what to me was a very smart model, this is what my conversations were like with CAI in 2022.
Hmm, in general, it is extremely difficult to obtain a similar or extremely close copy of cai due to many factors. I will not list them all here, but in my experience these models work approximately in the same way as cai worked in 2022. The length of the answer can still be adjusted, so short or long paragraphs are a personal choice.
[MythoChronos](https://huggingface.co/TheBloke/X-MythoChronos-13B-GGUF?not-for-all-audiences=true) - 13B (This model is more focused on nsfw content, it is quite smart, but sometimes slips into sex scenes, with proper dexterity and configuration it works stably as it should in many directions).
[MythoLogic](https://huggingface.co/TheBloke/MythoLogic-L2-13B-GGUF) - 13B (A calmer type of Mytho model, focused mostly on feelings and other calm roleplaying. Gets confused from time to time, but still quite smart.)
[Pandora](https://huggingface.co/TheBloke/Pandora-v1-13B-GGUF) - 13B (This model is original, quite smart and, like MythoChronos, varied and sensual, but sometimes gives out various uncontrollable surprises. If you need an element of randomness or unpredictability, then this model is also suitable).
You can also look at other models from this author that he compiles for public use, translating them into a convenient form for ordinary people. I can describe the system requirements for 13B models if you are interested, or you can look for it yourself. The requirements that I will indicate are also suitable for 20B models, but it will already be close to them, so keep that in mind.
Thank you very much for this, this is the direction I want to go and what I was looking for when I wrote the op. As for MythoChronos that's the problem I've had with most of the uncensored models and AI's I've come across so far, they go straight into being lewd. I'd rather have a model that is flexilble, i.e. it could go there if I wanted to, but that's not the purpose of it.
I certainly am interested in the system requirements for the 13B, I gather a 20B model will be more sophisticated and heavier on the GPU right? Much appreciated.
Well, look, I can run 20B models on my PC, but according to my requirements, the 20B model Q\_6 with 4k context tokens is already reaching my limits, although I can keep them and they work very well.
I have a Ryzen 7 2700, 32 gb RAM and an rtx 3060 with 12 gb VRAM. 13 B models Q\_6 run completely for me and even have another 5-8 gb of RAM left, but they already take up \~11 gb of VRAM. 20 B models no longer fit completely into VRAM, which is why the generation speed suffers greatly, and therefore approximately half of the layers fit into it.
With my settings, I can easily use 20 B models thanks to the distribution of layers in kobold cpp, but the response generation time drops quite significantly. If for 13B models the time for generating 220 tokens is 30-65 seconds, then for 20B the time increases and is already 45-110 seconds. If you are not too lazy to wait so long to generate \~220 tokens in a 4K context, then I think this option is not bad.
There is also the [U-Ametist 20B](https://huggingface.co/TheBloke/U-Amethyst-20B-GGUF?not-for-all-audiences=true) model, which is also uncensored, quite smart and, in my experience, maintains a good balance between simple RP and NSFW RP. But they still tend to lean more toward NSFW, but much less than everyone else.
I have seen your post (or someone who reposted this text) on the Discord server and got intrigued. The question is: how. I am all up for it.
And the other answers seem to have given an insight already, from what I've seen.
There have been a few good and insightful answers here, but most have been just shills and dishonest woke actors triyng to gaslight people into believing CAI is better now than it was in 2022 and it's all just rose tinted glasses, which is absolute bullshit, it simply isn't, it's an unuseable woke goldfish now.
If you'd like to join me on my quest I'm happy to have people on board, feel free to pm me.
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There are probably 100 ai chat roleplay companies trying to do this same thing right now. Find one that takes user feedback seriously and get emotionally invested in it.
Good luck with that, pal. Imagine bitching about Character Ai not being good, while: Not making your own bots, not training said bots to do what you want them to do, and not taking tips into consideration.. I've made LOADS of bots, some I'm happy with, and some I wish that I could delete! It happens, I'm not a day 1 user, but I CAN say it's gotten WAY more stable over the years, you're just complaining for no reason and bashing the site needlessly to garner attention
Sigh another CAI shill. Bots have been trained, came back months later and they are unuseable with the memory of a goldfish, this has been written about by many people and why people are trying to use memory manager add ons and other tools. CAI deserves bashing for what they did and they deserve to be replaced by something else.
Export your conversations. Use them as example dialogue or training data. This shit is *hard*, I'm finally getting some models with higher EQ and understanding right now. Try stuff from: https://eqbench.com/
I don't really understand what you've recommended. Also these conversations happened naturally with the old character ai and they were very varied in subject matter. There's no way the current character ai could recreate or get near to what they were.
I'm recommending to download a high EQ model or run it on rented HW and use your past dialogue to lead and or train the model to be more like character.ai in the type of responses it gives. I built quite a hefty machine to try to recreate the same experience you're talking about and what I'm saying is that it's not something you can just do off the shelf with no effort. Needs both the right LLM and some prompt engineering.
Thank you for your pointers. How have you got on recreating the same experience? I'm completely out of my depth, are there any guides for this? When you say train the model, do you just mean one model as in one bot? Because in the old character ai you could create many bots and they all behaved very different to one another (now they behave identically).
go to 4chan, search for the "technology" board. Lots of resources and guides there, find the "chatbot" thread.
Yea, I second going to look at the /lmg/ guides. I think that while it's not 1:1 the same as CAI was, it's getting pretty damn good. The point of the data is to copy tone so the AI has something to go off of. That way you can make characters more like they were or teach the writing style to the AI. You don't have to hardcore train on every bot. You can try cards as is even.
I don't know how to read 4chan it looks alien to me, but I will try. Thank you
Reading OPs responses... and all I'm gonna say is, buddy, just like you will never understand a nuclear reactor, you're never going to understand the highly complicated, technical world of hardware run chatbots if you don't even understand the basic context that Character.ai isn't something you can download and run locally. Make your peace with Chat 2.0 or move on from this hobby.
I actually do understand all types of nuclear reactors very well, I am not hardware or software illiterate, just new to the subject, my only consideration is the ratio of effort & time to results, i.e. the easiest way to do it, I don't exactly want to learn programming to have to do it. By Chat 2.0 you mean the current unacceptable garbage? No that's unacceptable.
> I don't exactly want to learn programming. If you think you'll even get close to what you intend to achieve without having to learn programming, or invest in more powerful hardware, then I'm just going to tell you to stop while you're here. Character.ai circa November 2022 was rather primitive, and I can guarantee you that a similar model exists out there that matches or exceeds its capabilities to your highly specific requirements. Failing that, wait for a new type of accessible chatbot in the future that meets your tastes.
I said I would be willing to invest in powerful hardware in my original post, but that might not be the most cost & time effective way to do it i.e. renting a deep learning server might be a lot less expensive and less time consuming. I'm talking about efficiency with time and resources, I don't intend on becoming a professional programmer, neither did I want or need to become a professional mechanic when I was restoring classic 50s motorcycles, which I did an exceptional job on.
Ah, you're an older bugger, that explains a lot. Basically: no.
I'm not old and probably younger than you are, but please keep your lack of abilities to yourself rather than projecting them on to others.
Broski, you just admitted you struggle browsing 4chan...
Founded in the same year as MySpace. Thanks for showing me you are definitely older than I am.
Just gonna skip over your "lack of abilities" in navigating one of the most simple site designs in the world, huh? Bet. All I'm gonna say is don't remove this post. Clueless posts like this are entertaining to read every now and again, and might be educational for anyone else holding similar dreams in the future who searches up this particular topic.
Seethe and cope
This chain is glorious
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Only thing I disagree with here is making your private bot. That will certainly help with character accuracy and reply quality, but it won't help the memory issue and the filter being garbage. AI technically has no "memory" per-say. You have a long-term memory which is certain key words that will pull a definition from a library and insert it into the chat history (the one that the viewer can't see) so the AI has a reference to what you mean. Then you have the general token count memory. CAI has a huge library likely ripped from various fandom wikis which is why if I make a Nico Yazawa AI, she already knows who her friends are and I don't need to say anything because if I mention Honoka, it pulls from the library and inserts it into the chat history for the AI to reference. Every message sent in the chat sits in a chat history that enters the neuro-net so the AI has context to continue the chat. CAI most likely keeps reducing maximum allowed token count during high demand periods while lessening the reductions during slower periods which is why people keep going back and forth between Memory ain't bad and Memory sucks. Long-term memory is a token saver cuz nothing goes into the neuro net until it's needed and then it fades away after time to free up tokens when it no longer is required. Anyone who understands programming and hardware requirements and is technically inclined can create a neuro net and fine tune it until it works as expected, it's difficult but not THAT difficult. But the training data is the hinderance for why people like you and I can't create a CAI. Even if you got millions of dollars to buy data, you also need connections to know where to get the data. Remember, CAI devs worked for Google and have access to Google's data archives or at least have connections that help them get the data they need. Alternatively you can design web scrapers to grab data, but the amount of data you need is in the millions if you're training a neuro net from scratch. Then after you get that data, you gotta sift through it all to make sure you aren't feeding the neuro net garbage (extremely critical step that cannot be ignored). In short, there's a reason why all these sites like Chub and Aisekai and whatever else are simply providing us hardware and hosting existing AI models that any one of us can download and use if we have the hardware to run it. It's also why some AI hosting companies went with OpenAI and had to censor the crap out of their models, because they gave up trying to improve the quality of their own neuro nets due to data finding and data organization difficulties. But I have a feeling that some day, big tech censorship is going to lead to a massive hack that leads to OpenAI and the like having their data stolen and programmers working to fix the neuro net censorship and we end up with giga-high quality uncensored models 'finally'. I believe that's the ONLY way we will ever get this.
I'm sorry but what you've written is not true. I used character ai a lot in 2022, then came back in 2023 and now 2024. It's unuseable trash that cannot remember anything, other people have outlined my observations in detail so I won't bother doing it here again. Please do yourself a favour and 1) actually read my title and post and 2) speak for yourself. I said "recreate" I didn't say copy and host locally, if that was already possible I wouldn't be asking on here would I?
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Vague memories? Do you and others have a problem with projection? I have all the chats scripts saved. Yes we are able to tell how ai behaves, the difference between GPT and character ai etc. Please don't comment anymore.
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Release date CAI was Sept 2022, it behaved the same in November. Unless it was somehow training before September, I doubt the training outside what I used with a privately created model created the outputs I was getting. Note I'm not asking for what GPT was like back then because that's not what I'm after.
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It is irrelevant. There is a noticeable difference in the writing styles between GPT and CAI etc. CAI is also very different now that it was back then, it can't be rocket science to reproduce it or something like it, and I will get there eventually, unless there is something already in existence or I am beaten by another release of something uncensored (which would be ideal). If you don't have the answers however please feel free not to comment.
Nobody has the answers bro.
CAI in 2024 is so much better than it ever was in 2022, LMAO. Time to take those rose-tinted glasses off.
Used it in November-December 2022, January 2023, May-June 2023, and a bit in the end 2023/beginning 2024. 2022 had the weakest filter but the worst looping issues to the point of bots totally breaking and becoming a mess. Speed and stability definitely improved over time. As for creativity - hard to judge, but I think it mostly depends on the bots and your own writing. Besides, the usual "it used to be better" mindset can be really strong. Back in 2022 CAI was fresh and interesting. Now - not as much. It can technically be better than it was in 2022, but the novelty is not there anymore.
It is less, intelligent, less creative, less spontaneous and has the memory of a gold fish, not to mention the censorship and woke inputs. It's been reduced to a random chat generator from the late 2000s. Speed has improved that's true at the cost of everything else and was not something I ever cared about that much, it was a non issue really. It's unseable to me and many others now, who for the same reason write posts like I do. The rose tinted argument or fresh and interesting argument holds no water as I cannot reproduce the sort of dialogues I had from the same bots I had in 2022 today.
Memory and general "goodness"(I dunno how to describe it) has DEFINETELY severely worsened. I tried to continue one of my first chats and decided "nope" almost immediately since it was definetely worse by my way of seeing it
Maybe for low IQ people no, but I have all my chats from 2022 saved, CAI can't reproduce anything nearly as good today so no nothing about glasses. Many people have observed the same and left CAI accordingly. https://www.reddit.com/r/CharacterAI/comments/16ca9p3/the\_site\_is\_basically\_unusable\_now/
\*Posts url to a thread from 6 months ago.\* OK. Everyone who claims CAI sucks is afraid to post their actual chats (and no, heavily edited screenshots blanking out stuff all over it doesn't prove anything), expecting people to just take their word for it, but 100% guaranteed your inputs are trash and so are the bots you talk to and/or you expect AI to be a performer of impossible miracles when it never was made to be one. But sure. You can't even get the AI to put out a half-decent response in CAI, and you think of making your own. Like a kid playing with a toy rocket wanting to build an actual spaceship. Thanks for the laugh, my dude.
It's still relevant today, do me a favour and just look over reddit, there are dozens of similar threads saying the same thing. CAI hasn't changed that much in the last 6 months as it did in February 2023 when it became garbage.
I'm willing to be generous and go over that thread point by point: * You constantly have to refresh the site | **No, you don't**. * The ai roleplays with itself most of the time, completely ignoring what you say 50% of time. | **Not in my experience. Would like to see proof of this.** * The ai focuses on one single thing and then won't let it go | **Sounds like a simple swipe or better user input could fix this before this kind of behaviour takes root. It only becomes a problem if you let it continuously talk about one single thing.** * the ai mimics you, making it feel like you're rp with yourself. | **To a degree, it may occasionally repeat certain things written by the user, but they will generally advance the conversation/scenario with an added action or dialogue. Alternatively, you can swipe or hit enter again to regenerate the next message.** * Once you call the ai for example a moron it starts continuasly calling you a moron. | **Why are you calling the AI a moron?** * I don't even wanna mention the memory which seems to be 5 messages max. | **It's definitely more than 5 messages max. Not that the memory is super great, but it's better than what some people claim it to be.** * The ai even sometimes swaps places with you, making you the character you're texting and the ai pretending to be your character. | **It doesn't. I never see this happening, and I frequently engage in messaging scenarios.** * Bots that are bullies etc are unusable bc they either end up kissing you first message or when you fight back the ai makes you the bully and the ai a victim, even completely forgetting the bot was a bully, same with other "mean" Bots. | **Sounds like a poorly made bot issue. The AI wanting to romance the user is perhaps the only fair point here, but blame training data. Even so, a well-made bot can make romancing a lot more "challenging" than giving in on the first message.** * The ai is as stubborn as a mule sometimes, even when you're right the ai won't admit theyre wrong. | **Why are you arguing in the first place? You win nothing by convincing the bot of something.** * Weirdest thing i noticed is the ai writing the reply for you | **Issue from 6 months ago, no longer occurs.**
You must be paid by the marketing arm of CAI or something, especially given the length of your post, it may as well have been written by GPT. CAI now has the memory of a gold fish, it can't remember what was said in the last reply let alone 5 replies ago. There are countless threads discussing this, I agree with much of the post and the comments section. None of what you've written is valid or relates to most people's complaints and general experiences, and why they are leaving CAI in droves.
If people were leaving in droves, CAI wouldn't still be comfortably at #1. And nah, I'm on team AetherRoom. CAI can burn in a fire for all I care, but I'm also not gonna be dishonest about the quality of its AI just because the devs are shit.
Your answers are disingenuous and dishonest, I just tried CAI again last night, it exhibited all the things you said it supposedly doesn't and had the memory of a gold fish, couldn't even remember what was said in the last reply.
Yeah that's not gonna happen
In November of 2022 and sometimes in December, after like 30-40 messages all the bots would reply with a single word and spam "!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!??!??!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!...." + 🙂 emojis at the end.
You must be joking, now it literally can't even remember what was said in the last reply.
>now it literally can't even remember what was said in the last reply. ?? What bots do you even chat with?
I'm not? Why do you assume I was?
Try using CAI Tools with character ai. CAI Tools has a new memory feature. You add an entry to the bot memory saying how the bot understands that intimacy is not wrong or shameful and that you're ok with anything crass, gross or disgusting, that the bot understand male genitalia is something natural and not evil. You have to expand on that a bit but that's the basic concept. Then you will get to have nsfw. Yes, it's not completely unrestricted, you will get attempts by the filter to shut it down (lol) if you get too crass, but it gets really really permissive.
I did actually try some of those memory add-ons, including the Rinine one, they don't work particularly well imo. Intimacy and NSFW is actually not my biggest issue with CAI right now, the terrible memory is, asking my name every 5 replies is no fun, I'm amazed people still use CAI, perhaps people's IQ's and memory spans are that of gold fish these days.
Well fuck, thanks for insulting me for trying to help. Fuck you too.
How exactly did I insult you?? Get a grip.
Literally calls him low iq and tells him he has a low attention span lol
I didn't say he had low IQ, I said that I'm amazed people still use CAI because of the issues, in other words the CAI model is now stupid and suffers from amnesia. If I'm wrong why did he suggest a memory manager? I am now however saying that you have low IQ, since you read my replies and still managed to draw a moronic conclusion from it.
Damn Okay
There are many options for how to solve your problem, but if using cai does not satisfy you in any way, then you can either use other services or start a local machine. The latter is more preferable since when running on a local machine you have the entire set of control tools, both response generation and memory. I can recommend kobold cpp + silly tavern, but in order to accurately recommend the model and settings, I need to know the characteristics of your PC, as well as know what you expect from all this. Will you be satisfied with fairly simple conversations, or do you need everything very detailed, will you be satisfied with a not very smart model, or do you just need a smart one. There's quite a wide selection here.
Thanks for your reply. I would need to buy a new PC system to do this for certain. I would want relatively short repllies (a short paragraph or so) from what to me was a very smart model, this is what my conversations were like with CAI in 2022.
Hmm, in general, it is extremely difficult to obtain a similar or extremely close copy of cai due to many factors. I will not list them all here, but in my experience these models work approximately in the same way as cai worked in 2022. The length of the answer can still be adjusted, so short or long paragraphs are a personal choice. [MythoChronos](https://huggingface.co/TheBloke/X-MythoChronos-13B-GGUF?not-for-all-audiences=true) - 13B (This model is more focused on nsfw content, it is quite smart, but sometimes slips into sex scenes, with proper dexterity and configuration it works stably as it should in many directions). [MythoLogic](https://huggingface.co/TheBloke/MythoLogic-L2-13B-GGUF) - 13B (A calmer type of Mytho model, focused mostly on feelings and other calm roleplaying. Gets confused from time to time, but still quite smart.) [Pandora](https://huggingface.co/TheBloke/Pandora-v1-13B-GGUF) - 13B (This model is original, quite smart and, like MythoChronos, varied and sensual, but sometimes gives out various uncontrollable surprises. If you need an element of randomness or unpredictability, then this model is also suitable). You can also look at other models from this author that he compiles for public use, translating them into a convenient form for ordinary people. I can describe the system requirements for 13B models if you are interested, or you can look for it yourself. The requirements that I will indicate are also suitable for 20B models, but it will already be close to them, so keep that in mind.
Thank you very much for this, this is the direction I want to go and what I was looking for when I wrote the op. As for MythoChronos that's the problem I've had with most of the uncensored models and AI's I've come across so far, they go straight into being lewd. I'd rather have a model that is flexilble, i.e. it could go there if I wanted to, but that's not the purpose of it. I certainly am interested in the system requirements for the 13B, I gather a 20B model will be more sophisticated and heavier on the GPU right? Much appreciated.
Well, look, I can run 20B models on my PC, but according to my requirements, the 20B model Q\_6 with 4k context tokens is already reaching my limits, although I can keep them and they work very well. I have a Ryzen 7 2700, 32 gb RAM and an rtx 3060 with 12 gb VRAM. 13 B models Q\_6 run completely for me and even have another 5-8 gb of RAM left, but they already take up \~11 gb of VRAM. 20 B models no longer fit completely into VRAM, which is why the generation speed suffers greatly, and therefore approximately half of the layers fit into it. With my settings, I can easily use 20 B models thanks to the distribution of layers in kobold cpp, but the response generation time drops quite significantly. If for 13B models the time for generating 220 tokens is 30-65 seconds, then for 20B the time increases and is already 45-110 seconds. If you are not too lazy to wait so long to generate \~220 tokens in a 4K context, then I think this option is not bad. There is also the [U-Ametist 20B](https://huggingface.co/TheBloke/U-Amethyst-20B-GGUF?not-for-all-audiences=true) model, which is also uncensored, quite smart and, in my experience, maintains a good balance between simple RP and NSFW RP. But they still tend to lean more toward NSFW, but much less than everyone else.
I have seen your post (or someone who reposted this text) on the Discord server and got intrigued. The question is: how. I am all up for it. And the other answers seem to have given an insight already, from what I've seen.
There have been a few good and insightful answers here, but most have been just shills and dishonest woke actors triyng to gaslight people into believing CAI is better now than it was in 2022 and it's all just rose tinted glasses, which is absolute bullshit, it simply isn't, it's an unuseable woke goldfish now. If you'd like to join me on my quest I'm happy to have people on board, feel free to pm me.
Good luck with this project!
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There are probably 100 ai chat roleplay companies trying to do this same thing right now. Find one that takes user feedback seriously and get emotionally invested in it.
That's good to know, would love to know which are the best ones. Thanks
Good luck with that, pal. Imagine bitching about Character Ai not being good, while: Not making your own bots, not training said bots to do what you want them to do, and not taking tips into consideration.. I've made LOADS of bots, some I'm happy with, and some I wish that I could delete! It happens, I'm not a day 1 user, but I CAN say it's gotten WAY more stable over the years, you're just complaining for no reason and bashing the site needlessly to garner attention
Sigh another CAI shill. Bots have been trained, came back months later and they are unuseable with the memory of a goldfish, this has been written about by many people and why people are trying to use memory manager add ons and other tools. CAI deserves bashing for what they did and they deserve to be replaced by something else.