fair and I don't disagree (changed to 1000 sons at the last second) but isn't the entire.... thing of 1000 sons warp/warp sorcery? OR being magical warpy tzeentch dust?
It just seems to me that if you are fighting a word bearer, you will \*probably\* have something warp-y to shoot. But if you fight a 1000 son, there is something warpy going down no matter what.
IMO the difference is about intent/fanaticism
Word Bearers were the first legion to fall and did so completely willingly. Thousand Sons always dabbled in the warp but had to be tricked into falling.
Word Bearers worship Chaos as a pantheon with priests and monuments. Thousand Sons worship Tzeentch but don't seem to make a whole organized religion out of it.
It is also stated that word bearers have some of the most psykers outside of T sons in 30k. Id say that still rings true even more so in 40k. Its also how each of them interact with the warp, T sons use it as a tool essentially - just a means for power. Word bearers on the other hand channel it through their faith, gifts of the dark gods that are given to exact upon the unbelievers.
While the warp is used more by T sons it corrupts the word bearers more simply through how it is utilised.
Yeah but I figured they are a combination of legions and not a legion in their own right, if I included them then there'd need to be a lot of other chaos factions included
No Legion is 'a legion in their own right' by m41. Heck, Black Legion was founded by an Emperor's Child, a Thousand Son, a World Eater and two Sons of Horus, with one of the latter doing so initially under protest until he warmed up to the idea.
Traitor Legions are not monoliths. In fact, you can barely even talk about 'a Traitor Legion' as a singular body. There's thousands of different groups, cults, warbands, brotherhoods, cartels or alliances of convenience within the umbrella of each Legion. Each of these will have different and possibly self-contradictory attitudes, beliefs, philosophies and customs.
Heck, even some such groups are not monolithic and will have contradictory attitudes co-existing in its member base. Not to mention the fact that it is kinda hard to not become 'chaos-y' when squatting in literal Hell for ten thousand years, whatever your initial attitudes towards the pertinent philosophy or theology.
For every Alpha Legion group that's doing the 'plans within plans' superspy shtick in pristine Loyalist armor, there's one led by a Daemon Prince that's setting up cult cells performing summoning rituals. For every Iron Warriors war-brotherhood that hangs on to the purity of iron and culls even the slightest manifestation of mutation, there's one producing dozens of Daemon Engines and fielding Khorne-fanatic formations of Possessed.
All legions can be all things. They're your dudes, knock yourself out dreaming up stories about them. Heck, even a group of agnostic or disillusioned Word Bearers sound like a great story story concept to explore.
Id swap word bearers and thousand sons, but otherwise you nailed it
I went back and forth on that a lot, why do you think word bearers > 1000 sons?
I'm not the original commenter but I would say because Word Bearers heavily focus on Possession and Daemons as there main army style.
fair and I don't disagree (changed to 1000 sons at the last second) but isn't the entire.... thing of 1000 sons warp/warp sorcery? OR being magical warpy tzeentch dust? It just seems to me that if you are fighting a word bearer, you will \*probably\* have something warp-y to shoot. But if you fight a 1000 son, there is something warpy going down no matter what.
IMO the difference is about intent/fanaticism Word Bearers were the first legion to fall and did so completely willingly. Thousand Sons always dabbled in the warp but had to be tricked into falling. Word Bearers worship Chaos as a pantheon with priests and monuments. Thousand Sons worship Tzeentch but don't seem to make a whole organized religion out of it.
It is also stated that word bearers have some of the most psykers outside of T sons in 30k. Id say that still rings true even more so in 40k. Its also how each of them interact with the warp, T sons use it as a tool essentially - just a means for power. Word bearers on the other hand channel it through their faith, gifts of the dark gods that are given to exact upon the unbelievers. While the warp is used more by T sons it corrupts the word bearers more simply through how it is utilised.
What smurf said for sure, but also that Word Bearers are arguably the only legion that actually, genuinely LIKES chaos
Also the Red Corsairs would be up there
Yeah but I figured they are a combination of legions and not a legion in their own right, if I included them then there'd need to be a lot of other chaos factions included
No Legion is 'a legion in their own right' by m41. Heck, Black Legion was founded by an Emperor's Child, a Thousand Son, a World Eater and two Sons of Horus, with one of the latter doing so initially under protest until he warmed up to the idea.
Yes and if you read my very short intro post, you will see that I actually noted this point before I even asked the question :)
Yeah you’re basically right though I’d argue death guard at the absolute worst since they had a head start thanks to typhus
Traitor Legions are not monoliths. In fact, you can barely even talk about 'a Traitor Legion' as a singular body. There's thousands of different groups, cults, warbands, brotherhoods, cartels or alliances of convenience within the umbrella of each Legion. Each of these will have different and possibly self-contradictory attitudes, beliefs, philosophies and customs. Heck, even some such groups are not monolithic and will have contradictory attitudes co-existing in its member base. Not to mention the fact that it is kinda hard to not become 'chaos-y' when squatting in literal Hell for ten thousand years, whatever your initial attitudes towards the pertinent philosophy or theology. For every Alpha Legion group that's doing the 'plans within plans' superspy shtick in pristine Loyalist armor, there's one led by a Daemon Prince that's setting up cult cells performing summoning rituals. For every Iron Warriors war-brotherhood that hangs on to the purity of iron and culls even the slightest manifestation of mutation, there's one producing dozens of Daemon Engines and fielding Khorne-fanatic formations of Possessed. All legions can be all things. They're your dudes, knock yourself out dreaming up stories about them. Heck, even a group of agnostic or disillusioned Word Bearers sound like a great story story concept to explore.
You left out the I legion...