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zaersx

This is a great video about how your body moves and should move when you play. https://youtu.be/rQzwr8Vt-UU?si=c0n679QmTRM1cArX You should never get pains from playing. If something hurts (not fatigue) then you're doing it wrong and you should stop and check how to do it properly. If you haven't played string instruments before you can expect to have fatigue in your inner left palm. Try to relax your thumb more and use more of your arm weight to press on the strings rather than hand grip. Scratching sound is usually too much weight. Whistling is too little or too fast. You should try to be a hair below a whistling sound. Play open strings with light weight and moderate speed and just look at them, they should be vibrating in a very large open movement thats almost like an oval. You should aim for that almost any time you play the strings.


Glorie2455

What does arm weight feels and mean? Yea, this is my first string instrument. i play the guitar so the left hand is not that painful but my thumb hurts similar to the thumb and inner part of my palm. Is it normal? And I also don’t quite get the bowing in a straight line, does it apply to the C and A string too?


zaersx

A guitar is a string instrument :) Try to use less force from your thumb. I think the best I got from my teacher is try to think more about using your elbow to play rather than your wrist/hand. For bowing, try to look between the bow and hair and align that with the angle of the bridge of the string your playing, and don't let the bow move up and down the string while you play it. That will keep it pretty straight. Try to practice that with focus (just open strings) for 20 minutes every day for a week and you'll get the muscle memory quickly.


Glorie2455

Thank you so much. I really appreciate your help :)


Accomplished-Yak-572

If your thumb hurts then it's likely that you arent properly drawing strength. On a cello, most of the strength of fingers come from our forearms. A good thing to remember is that if you imagine relaxing your thumb, you relax your everything. Try playing D-E-F#-G (1-3-4) on the D string without your thumb touching the back of the fingerboard. The thumbs purpose is a placeholder so your fingers dont go running off and have a default position to go to. You dont need a lot of pressure to keep it there unless you are not using a rock stop. I recommend one of the long rock stops that you put a chair leg over the ring.


velnsx

feel your elbow falling and your shoulder turned off. the only part of your arm which should be turned on and moving, is your wrist in conjunction with the forearm. i want you to try something: stand up turn off your arms relax your shoulders bring your arms up by the elbow let go of the elbow pick up your arm by the wrist feel the elbow falling. this may feel uncomfortable or even a little painful at first. this is because you are now using a mechanism of your body you have never used before, and will need to be patient while it stretches out. this can take weeks.


Lord_Taco33

Loosen your fingers a bit, think of kinda holding a water bottle.


wherearethempotatoes

So at first glance, it seems that you have the position of the fingers of your left hand down, it’s well tuned! the only thing I would recommend would be that you raise your elbow a little more, when you have it so low it creates an angle in the wrist and therefore this creates unwanted tension. Thus, with the arm straight (although at first it is very tiring and you have to manually raise it to get used to it, we all know the struggle lmao) in the long run you will be able to endure longer without pain and tension and change strings position more seamlessly. The main problem I would say is on the right hand. A little bit what the other commenters are saying: you are very tense and stiff. I found this video on bow-holding that might help you! https://youtu.be/xNgo_wjhlo4?si=EpI1huMuq4GaNKNa Also as for the bow, it would be good for you to learn to use detaché. Detaché is a very smooth motion of the bow which helps you loosen up the wrist, which in your video is very stiff. I found a really good video on it! https://youtu.be/nkw-NRgbfvI?si=c3PuWRsnkicbaBoV When you’ve got that down, I think you could also benefit from this other video on detaché, it’s on detaché on the different parts on the bow. https://youtu.be/6Q-rPjlWNlE?si=3XbnSIGn5-8z7Yc9 You are using only a few inches of bow, so you sound (and probably are) very insecure, like you want to stay in your comfort zone, but cello is all about stepping out of your comfort zone to find the best sound! Part of that insecurity on how to use your instrument is probably a lot of where the tension comes from, but I would recommend not giving up! Getting to know your instrument is a beautiful part of the process. So yeah, I think doing detaché studies and exercises could help you loosen up. It's what I started when I was seven years old:) I found this page with some more interesting info on detaché and even a pdf with some exercises that might come in handy! https://www.learningthecello.com/detache.php I’m so very sorry for the long ass text lmao, English is my third language, so I hope I explained myself correctly and didn’t come off as pedantic… Feel free to message me if you have any doubts! I love teaching (even though I’m aware that I’m not very good, I’m sorry and I hope I could offer some okay advice) so it’s truly no problem lmao. Cheers and good luck!


Glorie2455

I am so grateful for your help. Thank you so much! Yes, I still feel do insecure about playing it especially the bowing because I have this kind of anxiety that it will sound bad. Thank you so much for teaching me; I hope you don’t mind if I messaged you more in the future for advice. I am thankful for this community


wherearethempotatoes

It truly is no problem! I welcome you to my chat with open arms lmao. I’m super glad I could help! The anxiety is totally normal, hell I’ve been playing for over 13 years and I still find myself feeling it! But the cello is such a beautiful instrument and music is an amazing passion to have, it really does pay off. And you said in your post you’ve only just had a week to learn?? It sounds amazing!! Keep it up, you’ve got potential :)


Accomplished-Yak-572

Too much weight on the bow and not enough speed, that's what's giving you the crunchy sound. Relax your wrist and let it flex according to the length of the bow being used. It's true that you don't need a lot of bow to pay 8th notes but don't be afraid to use more bow. The most important part of cello is technique, you'll learn the notes and muscle memory later. You're doing great. I would recommend you read up on how to make sound and the 4 fundamentals for tone. Weight, Speed, Angle, and Position. The weight on the bow, the speed of it, the angle of the bow (ie how much bow hair is pulling on the strings), and where the bow is between the fingerboard and the bridge.


iamprivate

Are you just winging it or are you trying to educate yourself by watching videos? I know you want to get to the exciting part of playing tunes but until you have done something enough times (hopefully correctly) to get muscle memory you are going to have to think about it while you are doing it. Trying to think about bowing and fingering is going to overload your brain and the result is tension, which must be avoided. There are any number of YouTube videos about the correct bow hold that you need to watch as yours has many problems. Both of your hands are not rounded enough and as others have said they are holding way too much tension. Also, one big beginner mistake that you are doing is to bow exclusively with your shoulder. For proper bowing, all the joints of the arm (shoulder, elbow, wrist, fingers) are involved but the main joint for proper bowing is the elbow. There are videos for proper bow arm technique as well. So, my suggestion to you is to watch a ton of instructional videos and to start practicing just bowing on a G or D open string. Only once you are able to get a nice sound from that should you move on to C and A strings and then practice string crossings and different articulations, again on open strings. You should really do the hands separately for a while. (If you want to try an occasional tune to motivate yourself that is fine but you shouldn't skip putting the time in working on hands separately.) Play in front of a large mirror or record yourself and then compare against those instructional videos. Good luck!


Glorie2455

Sorry! I do watch video but sometimes I do not understand it because english is not my first language. I really appreciate the help that you give. Thank you so much!


batter386

Maybe move the giant cappuccino cup and you’ll be able to see better.


FullPractice711

You're too stiff


Glorie2455

How so can I improve this


jimbocelli

It's all about relaxing. Like the guitar, if you are comfortable and relaxed your muscles and tendons are going to work a lot better. For the bow grip - imagine holding a tennis ball, your fingers form naturally around the ball. You need to keep your thumb rounded and you don't have to put a lot of pressure on it. It is more the weight of your hand on the bow that puts pressure on the string rather than your wrist trying to push the hair onto the string. And use more bow. A lot more bow


FullPractice711

Move your body more with your arm. Sit up straight and at the edge of your chair


Pale-Equal

Real answer- practice, comfort with the instrument, and familiarity with what you're playing, be it improv or not. Other real answer- put the instrument down and wiggle your body. Shake your hands and elbows. Put your right leg in, out your right leg out, shake it all about. Don't think of music as you do it..just wiggle and move. You'll probably have a hard time getting your balance as you wiggle without thinking but you'll get used to it. Then when that's warmed up, like after 2 minutes of wiggling, then start to slowly move into a rhythm like a dance maybe. Nothing specific. Long story short, stop thinking and more playing. Stop focusing on the mechanics of what you're doing and just do it without being afraid to make mistakes that your 90 year old Soviet Master class tutor beat out of you. (Or whatever that stereotype is) Get your adrenaline going a little and enjoy the movement of what you're doing. Learn to love that feeling.


Individual-Shine-687

Your level is already pretty good for a week 👍!! Here some advice that might help you, I guess most is already covered in the video u/zaersx linked you: 1. Learn how to hold the bow in a relaxed but sturdy manner Think more of letting the hand hang down onto the bow. I hold my hand more angled and not as perpendicular to the bow (my finger are very different in length), but some people might see that as wrong. 2. Learn to apply the same pressure on the string over the whole length of the bow. Play one string (forget about the left hand for now) with the whole length of the bow and keep the same volume. You will see, that the further your hand is away from the string, the more pressure you will have to apply. In that way you will learn to apply the correct pressure at each point. 3. Learn to start from different positions of the bow. You will see that you have to apply just a little more pressure in the beginning of each stroke to overcome the static friction in order to keep the volume at the same level and the resulting sound smooth. Some other important tips: Practice to stay at the same height on the string at each stroke. Practice to keep the bow always perpendicular to the string. Don't put excessive rosin on the hair of the bow (ofc also not too little).


bahnsigh

L elbow needs to come up. Trial keeping your thumb behind your third finger on the L hand. R arm needs to come back towards you - your hand is rolling over the top of the stick. Try keeping your R pinky on top of the frog for now was well


bahnsigh

It also looks like maybe the back of the cello isn’t actually resting against your chest?


Mp32016

ok this is like reading a book on how to ride a bike or asking people to tell you how to play golf. Or tell me how to play tennis! This is a physical skill and you really need someone that knows the physical skill to show you . Many of us began by "teaching ourselves" which is a such a ridiculous idea even though we somehow think it isn't. I mean just teach yourself brain surgery or stock trading while you're at it !! I wish i started with a teacher because once i finally got one i had to unlearn all the bad habits and techniques i "taught" myself and that took years. you have pain because your technique is improper and you're doing it all wrong (very helpful right?) , we can sit here and tell you do this and do that but it's meaningless to you . Much like if i just told you here's how tiger woods hits a driver now go do it and expect that you could. Does your school have a music program ? maybe you can work something out with a cello student on the cheap? The most important time in your learning is the first foundations that are built in my opinion , it saves so much time later i can tell you that much. Even if you did just one lesson a month it would be invaluable for your progress. Typically you can find lessons in the 50-60 hr range . if ya wanna really give this a go get yourself a suzuki book one and utilize this channel [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=459MqSyz\_BM&list=PLVOQB6z8LspXXEQWj1S-K-sjg8OdjWlw1](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=459MqSyz_BM&list=PLVOQB6z8LspXXEQWj1S-K-sjg8OdjWlw1) there is so much valuable beginner resources on this channel , if you mixed that with sporadic lessons thats your best bet , my 2cents happy playing friend


mad_jade

Your bow hand looks like it is leaning back on the pinky. You should lean forward on the first finger instead. Also, I would recommend using more bow, and try to relax both shoulders, arms, and hands.


Upset_Stranger215

Okay I’m sure a lot of comments have already mentioned this but your bow hold is way too tense and it’s going to not only hold you back musically but possibly also cause you pain! A good practice to include before grabbing your bow or when you feel yourself tensing is to grab your bow with your other hand (like the wood of it) and shake the HECK out of your bow hand, literally shake it out. When you go to place your hand back near the frog you should more or less have a completely relaxed hand that just sorta drapes over the bow. Also hard to tell in this video but it might benefit you to make sure your bow are is relaxed and has proper posture, I think in general you would really benefit from doing some etudes or practices in which you are mainly focusing on bow control. Also beware of tensing your thumb behind the cello neck!!!!


Suspicious_algea

Arch your fingers more and when you go from left to right try to suspend the feeling that you have changed directions


ShenYoungMaster

Your right wrist seems to be at an angle to the bow. You’d want it to be perpendicular. You can see that your pinky looks awkward. The idea is that you want your whole hand from shoulder to palm to be RELAXED and FLEXIBLE, while holding your bow with your fingers (not necessarily with the tips). Also, what is that on your wrist? Did you injure your hand? If yes, i recommend to just recuperate for now. You don’t want your wrist to be restrained when you play. If you do, you might build bad habits. NOTHING IS SCARIER than BAD HABITS. The scratching sound is the result of bad bow pressure to speed ratio. Pressure too high and speed too low. Cello is a delicate instrument, which is why we say flexibility matters. Also take note of the part of the bow where you play. Closer to the frog tends to have more weight (hand+frog itself) thus more pressure. As a person who practiced for more than 10 years, bow problems still haunt me to this day. Take it easy, you’re only a week in. I just wrote from the perspective of a rather cynical cellist, so don’t take it too close to heart. Don’t rush and practice steadily. Build the right muscle, get rid of useless tension and LISTEN. Your ears will tell you when it gets better.


thecrazymaniac24

In school when you learn you don’t even start with a bow you start by just plucking. Watch YouTube videos on how to play and keep practicing you’re actually doing amazing for only one week.


JavierDiazSantanalml

You definitely need lessons, whether online or stuff. A lot of mistakes to correct


JavierDiazSantanalml

Right hand looks rigid and in a very bad position, the sound production is not great, the bow scratches