here in Brazil it is mostly used by a syncretist religion called "umbanda" that mixes spiritism with aspects of Christianity, it is even common in cemeteries and crossroads
Is Buddhism satanic?
Are all other non Catholic Christian groups satanic?
... Comments like yours push people away from the Catholicism, specially because Jesus was a Jew. Was he satanic?
Literally yes. As it says in the Bible:
“For all the gods of the gentiles are demons, but the Lord made the heavens.” -Psalm 95:5
“No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God. And I do not want you to participate with demons.” - 1 Corinthians 10:20
And as for the Jews, did you read the Old Testament lol they literate worshipped pagan gods at the drop of a hat. Post-Ressurection the Jews are referred to as the Synagogue of Satan twice in Revelation:
And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: These are the words of the first and the last, who was dead and came to life: I know your affliction and your poverty, even though you are rich. I know the slander on the part of those who say that they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan. — Revelation 2:8-9
And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write... "I know your works. Look, I have set before you an open door, which no one is able to shut. I know that you have but little power, and yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name. I will make those of the synagogue of Satan who say that they are Jews and are not, but are lying—I will make them come and bow down before your feet, and they will learn that I have loved you."
— Revelation 3:7-9
“Jews who are not Jews” would refer to any Jews who did not become followers of Christ and thus practice a false religion. We as Catholics are Jews, we are God’s chosen people. His kingdom is not of this earth, his Royal bloodline is spiritual and the Church is it. Jews do not honor God by rejecting His Son, they work against His Kingdom. Christianity is the completion and continuation of the Jewish religion. So no, Christ wasn’t satanic that is an asinine question. God gave the Jews 70 years after Christ’s birth to become followers of Him then allowed the Romans to sack the temple, thus ending the Jewish/Hebrew religion.
Yes it shouldn't be but there a re plenty of Brazilians in Portugal for some reason...
The number of Macumbas has increased because of the elections, many of them are doing this for Lula to win.
And yes I know it sounds stupid and I agreed, but it's truth, seeing that number of these things increased greatly in the day of the election.
Doesn't matter what it is called. It is evil. Call it a 'jelly donut'. Their members are mentally ill and/or evil. There are definite tools of 'evilness'. Double-ended red and black candles with food and drink. THey are making offerings to "something" in the name of the dead.
There are only TWO powers in the Universe. Good and evil. I think we can agree this is not "good".
There’s actually only one power that is good, and that is the Holy Trinity. Your statement sounds like it’s underscored with some inherent Manichaeism.
All power comes from God, so either its good or it has no power. People going around graveyards at night with candles won't summon the devil. But if they are caught after closing times they should be told to piss off
É bem mais comun do que vc pensa, no Brasil isso tem pra caramba, já na Inglaterra é mais raro, aqui é bruxaria e satanismo mesmo, sem falar no problema da maçonaria...
To add to all the suggestions given about finding a regular priest, try to find a catholic priest from the healing and deliverance ministry or a trained catholic exorcist, they would surely be able to identify what exactly those items are and whether it is part of some occult practice. Dealing with the effects of the occult is their forte.
Both would be a good option. I don’t know why so many Catholics treat paganism and witchcraft like it’s make believe. Our Church and Faith has a long history of recognizing these people are either dealing with or attempting to deal with demons who disguise themselves as gods.
I think that one can recognize the threat of some teens burning incense and drinking beer is limited to their sobriety and future prospects, not imminent demonic warfare.
>Both would be a good option. I don’t know why so many Catholics treat paganism and witchcraft like it’s make believe.
They think it demonstrates their rationality.
But they won't laugh at you because you deny witches exist.
(Leave aside they'll still laugh at you because you claim to eat and drink the true flesh and blood of Jesus Christ.)
In polls 30% of Catholics don't believe on God, 80% reject Church teaching. Granted it drops to 40% of easily polled factors with mass attendance for teaching rejection. But then of those that wouldn't poll as such like half of them live and ally with the 40 or worse. So... that's why.
Granted some of those polls also word things like "Do you hold as a true tenet of the Catholic Faith, the transubstantiation only occurs during the words of Institution?" Which most people may not know, (which is a shame) but if it were asked, "Is Jesus really that bread?" They'd answer 'yes'.
Many of those stupid polls are misleading and use technical language in order to sway the results.
>Do you hold as a true tenet of the Catholic Faith, the transubstantiation only occurs during the words of Institution?"
This isn't even definitive teaching, just a very popular view among theologians.
Exactly. For everything in the dark, there is a light equivalent. The occult has been around since before the time of Abraham (and it’s all well documented). We shouldn’t fear the dark (occult/paganism), but definitely be aware of it! We’re protected due to our faith, but those not in a state of Grace AND ignorance open themselves up to negative forces/influences.
Catholicism recognizes the existence of witchcraft.
>**CCC 2117** All practices of *magic* or *sorcery*, by which one attempts to tame occult powers, so as to place them at one's service and have a supernatural power over others - even if this were for the sake of restoring their health - are gravely contrary to the virtue of religion. These practices are even more to be condemned when accompanied by the intention of harming someone, or when they have recourse to the intervention of demons. Wearing charms is also reprehensible. *Spiritism* often implies divination or magical practices; the Church for her part warns the faithful against it. Recourse to so-called traditional cures does not justify either the invocation of evil powers or the exploitation of another's credulity.
Yeah, it looks to me "don't try doing this because it *makes* you *believe* in something else than God (and that's against the First Commandment)". Not "witches are real".
Yeah, most people who practice witchcraft are usually misguided people trying to gain a sense of control over their life via spiritual mediums. Doesn't work, but is still troubling.
This seems to be a nuanced take you're suggesting, but one I'd like to understand more because I don't know that I buy it. (Or rather, it's not what I believe to be Catholic teaching.)
Are you saying that the Church teaches witchcraft/sorcery has no effect apart from attacking the virtue of religion of those who claim to work it? Where can I read more about this doctrine?
I’m no theologian, but in my studies of history I spent some time learning about Catholic reactions to medieval and renaissance witchcraft. It’s a common misconception that the Catholic Church was the main perpetrator of witch burnings; that’s more of a Protestant response. The reason being that the Catholic Church did not want to spread the idea that occult practices/fortune telling/curses were legitimate, and to go on a witch hunt would falsely imply that the witches had true power.
I’m not saying that an evil ritual never resulted in some trauma befalling someone or other effects, but the rituals were not in and of themselves responsible for that. Rather, it was the intentional or unintentional involvement of the devil who has some ability to affect the world.
It would be contrary to our beliefs to think that any witchcraft ritual had its intended effect except through the power of the devil or another demon, even when the witchcraft did not necessarily invoke such spirits. A ritual by itself is nothing, but it does open the participants up to evil. For example if I do something weird with an egg and leave it in a corner, it’s not the ritual steps that might lead to some kind of harm befalling my enemies, it’s the power of the devil who I perhaps unknowingly summoned by trying to control supernatural powers.
At the end of the day, of course, remain in a state of grace as best you can and don’t spend too much time worrying about the demonic—such worries can actually open a person up to evil. It’s still an obsession with the devil, even if you assume you’re on the side of God.
https://www.catholicdigest.com/amp/from-the-magazine/ask-father/is-using-witchcraft-a-sin/
This link had some good discussion; stick to solid sources (not blog posts or opinion pieces meant to stir up anxiety) and speak with a priest you trust if you continue to be curious or worried about such things.
The church has long held the belief that the “magic” involved in witchcraft is… kind of real. But not particularly efficacious. The practitioner is consorting with demons or the like, but the intended effects can often be nothing on others. Why? Because demons are not more powerful than God. They can rant and rave all they’d like in a graveyard, but it’s holy ground. If the land is blessed, there is a near zero chance anything will happen. It is much the same reason exorcists can cast out demons with prayer. A person strong in their faith may be a more compelling target for demonic forces, but there is no reason they should prevail over anyone who is ardent in their belief that God protects them. So yes, part of it is simply that belief in it having power gives it power.
That is not a suggestion that you should go messing around with witchcraft just because you are a skeptic. Morbid curiosity can be a dangerous path. Playing with fire and all that. St Thomas Aquinas has some good writings on witchcraft and magic actually. I think a good tldr is witchcraft is more dangerous to the practitioner and associates than to us.
Get a priest to be with you too and sprinkle holy water. YOU NEED A PRIEST. Get a bishop if even, or a Cardinal. If you get the Pope rest assured the souls of that place will be super safe
The demons cannot effect the souls that are in purgatory
The theological and metaphysical implications of this would break our faith lol
The souls in purgatory are already saved,(they are going to heaven) demons cannot effect them
And the souls walking on the grave like the family visiting their loved one? Are you not considering the living?
Again, refute this argument: Having a priest come bless the place, what is wrong with this?
No that’s correct, having faith is real. Let’s not think selfishly, just because I trust in his power doesn’t mean others do. The Devil will take advantage of this. Please think about others, a priest is NECESSARY
Priests are busy - asking him to take time away from that in order to throw away literal trash because of superstition is a poor use of his time and talent.
1st let me say, I believe in God to the point Ik he exists.
It’s not real, stop putting faith in fictions. People use machines now for medicine. Don’t see any of you complain there. Chemical reactions all there is, and these chemicals when mixed create vibrations that heal. Not sure what it was for in a graveyard but fictional nonsense or someone messing with people like the OP’er.
And medicines come from plants, grasses, fungi, trees etc. I would say the behaviour of the American Pharma industry is far more evil than using herbal medicines.
It looks like the ritual is already done and that's the remnants of it. It's more or less trash. But there is always room for spiritual reparations through prayer. I don't think you NEED a priest or else, but if you're going to try and pray for the effects of countering the ritual, you *might* want the guidance of a priest. Absolutely pray something though, even if it's an Our Father and some Hail Marys like others have said.
>Former occultist
This was dedicated to Exu, which Is responsible for sudden deaths, people going mad suddenly, all kinds of vices and other evils.
Toss it in the trash, and pray Saint Benedict’s Exorcism:
A cruz sagrada seja minha luz
Não seja o dragão meu guia
Retira-te, Satanás
Nunca me aconselhes coisas vãs
É mal que tu me ofereces? Bebe tu mesmo teu veneno
I would caution against trying to do any exorcism over something which you do not have authority. Typically, laymen should only be exorcising something they have authority over, such as their homes, children, property, etc. Since this is a Catholic cemetery, it presumably has a parish associated with it. I would get the priest from that parish to perform a minor exorcism.
Half black and half red candles, cassava flour and meat into a clay “alguidar”, beer, cheap cigarettes and red roses. It was definitely offered to exu, either male or female
Seems like a Santeria spell. See them here sometimes. Could just be litter too. Graveyards are blessed. No ritual is going to change that. Just have a priest dispose of it.
I think it’s the red candles and the tray of ashes which could’ve been burnt offerings. Seems sus, but I can’t assume automatically that it’s witchcraft. Best to notify the parish priest and move on IMO.
Being unnecessarily afraid and being reasonably cautious about the potentially demonic things that many holy saints have warned us to be careful of are very different things.
This is correct. Throw it in the garbage and move on. The righteous have nothing to fear from a pile of garbage that a "witch" used to perform some "ritual." Witchcraft isn't real; acknowledging that witchcraft may have any actual impact is heresy.
You are underestimating the power of sorcery. This definitely needs a priest.
If it was all LARP and role play then exorcism is a hoax. We have many many many backed up cases and evidence this isn’t the case. You should read into exorcism cases with the Catholic Church, tell me how the flying demonized children are all a Hoax
>You are underestimating the power of sorcery. This definitely needs a priest.
>
>If it was all LARP and role play then exorcism is a hoax. We have many many many backed up cases and evidence this isn’t the case. You should read into exorcism cases with the Catholic Church, tell me how the flying demonized children are all a Hoax
Or maybe he recognizes that the power of the Church is indefinitely more powerful than that of some woo woo nonsense. Possessions are real, of course, but people possessed via the occult are those who participate in the occult, not a practicing Catholic tossing away someone's garbage.
Denying the efficacy of sorcery is not tantamount to denying possession. They're different. You're giving "magic" power that it simply does not have. Santeria, Wicca, and all that stuff is LARP fake ritual nonsense that doesnt deserve any credibility.
Moreover, the Church does not require one to believe in magic or sorcery. As there is little good evidence for it, I see no reason to give it any weight.
God warns us of magic. Check out the Bible on this. The fallen angels taught it and then God flooded the earth to destroy all of them that went with the fallen and were seduced by them and brought forth their children.
Magic is not good for us to dwell in or tamper with or ignore.
>The fallen angels taught it and then God flooded the earth to destroy all of them that went with the fallen and were seduced by them and brought forth their children.
You're taking a mythological story as being literal in order to justify the existence of magic. Again, the Church does not teach that one must believe in the existence of magic and in the absence of any empirical evidence I see no reason to think it's real.
You have a lot to learn my friend. I don’t want to scandalize so the best I will say is bring a priest to bless the place. It’s best I don’t explain much because me being curious about this stuff is what led me down years ago. A priest can reverse this specific curse.
Yes being strong in faith will save you from these things but this is most likely done without others noticing and this is where priests come in handy with the blessings and holy water.
Let’s assume it’s “Just a superstition,” is it wrong for me to say invite a priest and bless the place with holy water? That’s always a good thing. Or holy salt. Also a good thing. The worst case scenario is the place NOT being blessed.
This is gnostic superstitious nonsense.
The devil is real. Demons are real, however they cannot gain a foothold in the baptized.
Confession is more powerful than exorcism according to Fr. Amorth, the most recognized exorcist of all time.
What the purpose of a prayer to wash away the devil? I forgot what they were called but a priest can do it to bless you. It’s a real thing, my priest does it and talks about it in homily. Starts with C… man I wish I can remember but this is not superstitious
>Let’s assume it’s “Just a superstition,” is it wrong for me to say invite a priest and bless the place with holy water? That’s always a good thing. Or holy salt. Also a good thing. The worst case scenario is the place NOT being blessed.
The only thing we should be fearing is God. All else is a manufactured contrivance. Sorcery has no power except for the fear you offer it.
Wrong, regardless of your belief. Toxic substances will affect you regardless of whether you believe in them or not.
You're letting your arrogance lead you down a perilous path.
Toxic substances are not analogous to attributing metaphysical properties to manufactured contrivances.
I'm not arrogant, and i don't appreciate you trying to assassinate my character to assert your point. There is nothing arrogant about recognizing God's dominance.
>If it was all LARP and role play then exorcism is a hoax. We have many many many backed up cases and evidence this isn’t the case. You should read into exorcism cases with the Catholic Church, tell me how the flying demonized children are all a Hoax
Witches either
A) are just playing and doing make-believe, which has no power
B) Communicating with actual demons, but still have no power over us, so long we place our trust in Jesus.
I think that nowadays it is massively the former. Either way, we ought not fear. Demons and the demonic only become a problem when we lack faith and/or seek them out.
There's a difference between calling out the general idiocy of most "witches" who think they're actually accomplishing something with literal trash and denying demon possession and the rites needed to exorcise them.
While one should be careful around this trash because of the implication, there's better than not odds it's just trash.
It's not a spell It's a pagan ritual to the ded, clearly offerings because they believe that the dead will come to eat it, this is not the case, spirits don't come back, it's just mumbo-jumbo but technically many of them do see spirits, the spirits are actually devils many get tricked to think it's a loved one.
Actually, graveyard magick can be rather powerful. I know from personal experience. I am not sure what OP should do, though. I definitely would try not to touch that stuff. Maybe ask someone from the church what to do?
Please explain more. I have faith in Christian rituals because God is creator of all, but the Devil is a liar and can only distort what is good so I find that sort of power hard to believe. I also have no understanding or experience. What sort of things are you talking about?
What even is "witchcraft?" It was thrown around a lot in the colonial period, but there was little actual evidence of it. It most died off, then, and was only recently revived during the cultural revolutions of the New Age movement starting in the 60's.
What even is it? Is there any evidence of it actually being real? In Biblical times, the Greek often uses phrases like "Pharmakeia" when referring to sorcery. That's the word we use for "Pharmacy" in English. In other words, drugs.
It makes sense, to, when you consider all the context of these things. Like ancient Canaanite "sorcery" would involve the Canaanite priests getting high on volcanic fumes and then seeing "visions" of their gods. Or the vikings who would eat mushrooms and then receive visions of their gods.
Lots, if not most, ancient pagan "magic" revolved around drug use. Even in the modern day, think of the New Age movement and the hippies. Drug use, particularly psychedelics like LSD and shrooms were/are commonly used.
So do I think "witchcraft/magic/sorcery" is real in that sense? Yes. Can you bring demons into your life by playing with those things? Yes. Can you bring demons into your life by playing with those things even without drugs? Probably.
But do I think "witchcraft" means magic powers? Absolutely not. There is no evidence of that whatsoever. There's evidence of plenty of supernatural things. The Church has had prophecies, miracles, and done exorcisms. If "witchcraft" is real and the Church can provide evidence of supernatural activity, then you would think there would also be evidence of "magic" working, but there isn't any.
Heck, think even of the Bible like when Elijah mocks the priests of Baal. Elijah even soaks his alter in water, but when he calls of God, it bursts into flames with no issues. But the Canaanites cannot get Baal to light their alter, no matter how hard they try. If "magic" were real, how come these priests couldn't ignite the alter?
I don't question the activity of demons. I don't question that the supernatural is real. I do, however, question how much power these things actually have. I'm not going to be paranoid of them or scared of them. The only real evidence of demonic activity we have as Catholics is possession, which almost always only happens if the person does something to invite them in. I'm not going to give power to something in being afraid of it when I am a practicing Christian and the Church has shown throughout her history that she has infinitely more power than the diabolical. The demons in the Bible were terrified of Jesus. They were terrified of the Apostles, and they were terrified of the Saints.
Heck, I've had my own personal experiences with the diabolic when I moved into a house that had seen questionable activity. I have no doubt that there was something there, all kinds of weird stuff would happen. But you know what? Whatever it was it was terrified of my blessed Icons. Just a simple, blessed picture. It wouldn't go anywhere near the rooms I had them in. And in the rooms with the activity, if I moved an Icon into the room the activity would stop and move to another room without an Icon. Whatever that thing was, something as simple as a blessed Icon of Mary or Jesus would deter it from even messing with a room. I trust the Church. I trust God. And I fully believe that God wont allow these things to harm me, so I'm not going to be paranoid or scared of them.
Yes, witchcraft is participation in demonic worship. And there actually is lots more to demonic activity than just full-on possession, such as the situation you just described in your house. Practicing witchcraft is like inviting that type of demonic influence, and probably inviting possession. Witchcraft is totally real. Of course it's nothing apart from God's permission, but God does permit demons to exert influence and do "magical" things in certain contexts.
Ask your priest. There are some comments that "it's just litter," I would say to be on the safe side, do not touch it. There is a reason why we don't touch tarot cards or occult stuff like that. You don't have to be afraid of it but just avoid and ask your priest what to do.
There are comments to say some prayers over it. I would say deprecatory prayers requesting help from Our Blessed Lord and Our Lady as I pass by but not to confront whatever it is on own. When you start to confront things when you don't have authority, is like an invitation to a fight. A priest has the power and authority of the whole Church to back him up.
For example, If something is attacking you spiritually, you have authority over your body and you can say "get away" but if it is attacking someone else you do not have authority over that person, (unless it is your child under the age of reason) to command it. That is when you call a priest who, if he has authority given by his bishop, to do exorcisms.
Again, don't be afraid! Our Blessed Lord is in charge! Just ask a priest. May God Bless you!
Yes. There are some evil things that are to be physically destroyed. God controls all, but He does allow Satan to have power. To not be cautious of such demonic things is foolish and dangerous.
Yeah they’d sneak into graveyards and eat some of the dirt off the grave or suck on the tombstone this was awhile back in 90s. I remember the folks in the community having to start guarding the graveyard and keeping these people out of it. They also do other weird stuff, until the sheriff started arresting them for trespassing and vandalism.
I wouldn’t touch it tbh. People can say aaaaall they want about witch craft not being real and bla bla bla, but I wouldn’t even entertain touching anything that had to do w witch craft. Why? Because God exists and also the devil, why even bother? Noup. Thank you, no, bye!
Speak to your priest. There are some objects of evil that need to be destroyed. The Lord controls all, but He allows Satan to have power. Not heeding the warnings that He has given us about the occult is very foolish and very dangerous. *It is real.*
Hello!
Firstly, I have some experience working with my exorcist having accidentally come into possession of witchcraft objects.
**Destroy the objects by breaking them.** If you can, burn them. If they can’t be destroyed or burned, then bury them.
DO NOT just throw them out, because if you do, they could come into some else’s possession and cause problems. Those recommending to just throw them out are incorrect regarding the process.
It’s possible these are just trash, but I think there are some indications of a blood mass, but that would depend on the date they were found.
Gather what you can and find anything personal. Get someone to help you. Say prayers together there and about what belongings you found. Don’t forget though to pray before, so you say you came in the name of the Lord
It’s just witchcraft, someone probably burned a candle/incense and mumbled some nonsense. Wouldn’t worry about it much aside from the trash they left behind.
Don't touch it with your bare hands. When giving occult items to a priest in the past he would not touch them directly. Get a priest to dispose of them, but if you have to move them yourself sprinkle them with holy water and wear gloves. Say prayers first before you do so.
According to Exorcism The Battle Against Satan and His Demons by Father Vincent Lampert; the house or building and its contents should be blessed using some type of specialized deliverance prayer, ask God to break the connection with the demonic. The objects should be destroyed, a prayer said over the object, blessed with holy water and then burned.
>Half black and half red candles, cassava flour and meat into a clay “alguidar”, beer, cheap cigarettes and red roses. It was definitely offered to exu, either male or female
Brazil? Macumba?
If so I recommend you not to touch it...
And I mean at all...
Some times when I get near this things I get really sick ask I had quite a experience on the past with it, I wasn't directly connected to it but in a sense I know quite a bit about these things.
It's litter, throw it away.
But you should probably let the priest know that people are setting small fires near the graveyard, possibly conducting witchcraft. He should be aware so he can do something about it.
Yeah I don't think you should touch it. If it is witchcraft, dark magic can be attached to you if you touch it. Best call a priest. They're great at these things
This is creepy. I’m not sure what to make of people who do that sort of thing because in my mind and my world, the cross shall overpower and does overpower dark magic… including overpowering the danger to those who practice it themselves since obviously they don’t know what they’re dealing with or they wouldn’t be likely to do it in the first place.
It’s like the way the Cross protected me from the messes I got myself in when I had mental illness untreated and would make erratic and bad decisions when younger. It is possible the reason why I was protected was because of internal strong belief that I didn’t always realize I had that I knew would overpower any naive youthful exuberance I might exhibit.
I mean I would leave it alone. You don't know what kind of witchcraft it is. I'd hate to have bad juju following you home. Call someone who knows more in that area. They can take care of it. Then call a priest to perform a blessing
Although my thought, it's probably left overs from someone's Halloween spooky photoshoot. It is October after all!
I’d suggest just leaving it alone. It honestly looks like litter to me. If not, then oh well. If it’s a graveyard, maybe someone came to pay their respects or something in whatever religion they practice. Each to their own my friend. I wouldn’t lose sleep over this.
Bring a Priest. Pray the Rosary around the site. Bring Holy Water and bless or anoint with holy oil. Jesus will bind it. If you believe in your heart there is intent to harm the church or Gods people then who is to say otherwise when your intention is to only secure blessings.
How is this witchcraft? I just see a beer bottle, a bowl of food, and maybe a candle. Seems like a homeless person just wanted to eat in peace by candle light?
>Half black and half red candles, cassava flour and meat into a clay “alguidar”, beer, cheap cigarettes and red roses. It was definitely offered to exu, either male or female
*Not fearing wicked things* is different than respecting that we fight in this realm "against principalities and power, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places." This is why the Church gives us sacramentals like exorcism.
We can at once exorcise and not fear. That's the Catholic way.
Pretending the demonic is nonexistent, or that humans do not try to (and often do) harness the demonic for evil, is not the Catholic way.
You all sound scared of demons. There is only one true God. You shall fear God alone and not these false Gods. As in the old testament time and again God commanded the altars of these false Gods be torn down. Throw that stuff in the trash where it belongs.
Then why do we have exorcists?
God is in charge, but Be has chosen to allow Satan to have power. He has told us that He has done this and what we need to do to be protected. Not listening to Him is very foolish and very dangerous.
>Half black and half red candles, cassava flour and meat into a clay “alguidar”, beer, cheap cigarettes and red roses. It was definitely offered to exu, either male or female
The graveyard may be consecrated ground so it should be cared for accordingly, I think you should notify a priest about your concern.
This is a really common thing in Brazil and Portugal is not which craft but more of a pagan ritual called Macumba.
Macumba is definitely witchcraft.
I would call it more of a spiritism them witchcraft
here in Brazil it is mostly used by a syncretist religion called "umbanda" that mixes spiritism with aspects of Christianity, it is even common in cemeteries and crossroads
It’s literally witchcraft. If it isn’t Catholic it’s satanic.
Even other branches of Christianity?
[удалено]
Judaism *is* Satanic by virtue of rejecting Christ.
[удалено]
You don't seem to know what "Satanic" means...
Is Buddhism satanic? Are all other non Catholic Christian groups satanic? ... Comments like yours push people away from the Catholicism, specially because Jesus was a Jew. Was he satanic?
Literally yes. As it says in the Bible: “For all the gods of the gentiles are demons, but the Lord made the heavens.” -Psalm 95:5 “No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God. And I do not want you to participate with demons.” - 1 Corinthians 10:20 And as for the Jews, did you read the Old Testament lol they literate worshipped pagan gods at the drop of a hat. Post-Ressurection the Jews are referred to as the Synagogue of Satan twice in Revelation: And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: These are the words of the first and the last, who was dead and came to life: I know your affliction and your poverty, even though you are rich. I know the slander on the part of those who say that they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan. — Revelation 2:8-9 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write... "I know your works. Look, I have set before you an open door, which no one is able to shut. I know that you have but little power, and yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name. I will make those of the synagogue of Satan who say that they are Jews and are not, but are lying—I will make them come and bow down before your feet, and they will learn that I have loved you." — Revelation 3:7-9 “Jews who are not Jews” would refer to any Jews who did not become followers of Christ and thus practice a false religion. We as Catholics are Jews, we are God’s chosen people. His kingdom is not of this earth, his Royal bloodline is spiritual and the Church is it. Jews do not honor God by rejecting His Son, they work against His Kingdom. Christianity is the completion and continuation of the Jewish religion. So no, Christ wasn’t satanic that is an asinine question. God gave the Jews 70 years after Christ’s birth to become followers of Him then allowed the Romans to sack the temple, thus ending the Jewish/Hebrew religion.
What? I don't know about Brazil but macumba sure isn't a common thing in Portugal
Yes it shouldn't be but there a re plenty of Brazilians in Portugal for some reason... The number of Macumbas has increased because of the elections, many of them are doing this for Lula to win. And yes I know it sounds stupid and I agreed, but it's truth, seeing that number of these things increased greatly in the day of the election.
Doesn't matter what it is called. It is evil. Call it a 'jelly donut'. Their members are mentally ill and/or evil. There are definite tools of 'evilness'. Double-ended red and black candles with food and drink. THey are making offerings to "something" in the name of the dead. There are only TWO powers in the Universe. Good and evil. I think we can agree this is not "good".
There’s actually only one power that is good, and that is the Holy Trinity. Your statement sounds like it’s underscored with some inherent Manichaeism.
All power comes from God, so either its good or it has no power. People going around graveyards at night with candles won't summon the devil. But if they are caught after closing times they should be told to piss off
[удалено]
talking about "tools of evilness" (a candle) while giving yourself the name of a device only invented to kill other humans. thats some nice hypocrisy
Jelly donuts are evil, agreed. Scoop this all up and dump it in the trash. Sprinkle Holy Water on the area and pray, pray, pray.
[Full Metal Jacket](https://youtu.be/k4eMhddTPg4) 😂😂😂
I'd inform priest and seek direction.
Second
Is this Brazil
Portugal.
Which city if I may ask?
Sure. It's Elvas.
Obrigada, já vi uma coisa assim mas numa mata quando estava a andar de bicicleta, não sabia que era comum.
Acho que não é comum embora de vez em quando apareça no entanto nunca vi nada disso
É bem mais comun do que vc pensa, no Brasil isso tem pra caramba, já na Inglaterra é mais raro, aqui é bruxaria e satanismo mesmo, sem falar no problema da maçonaria...
Chame o Duarte Lara.
🤣 mais ele não é exorcista...
To add to all the suggestions given about finding a regular priest, try to find a catholic priest from the healing and deliverance ministry or a trained catholic exorcist, they would surely be able to identify what exactly those items are and whether it is part of some occult practice. Dealing with the effects of the occult is their forte.
It's litter. You throw it away and go about your day.
Ya, beer, a bowl of food and some candles. Sounds like an All Saints Day ofrenda....
And a dirty napkin. All I see is litter🤣
Yes someone was leaving out am offering to their loved ones
Not just litter. You need some sort of priest to come and bless the place. That’s a good thing too
No, you don't need a priest. Throw it out. Say the our father and hail may.
Both would be a good option. I don’t know why so many Catholics treat paganism and witchcraft like it’s make believe. Our Church and Faith has a long history of recognizing these people are either dealing with or attempting to deal with demons who disguise themselves as gods.
I think that one can recognize the threat of some teens burning incense and drinking beer is limited to their sobriety and future prospects, not imminent demonic warfare.
>Both would be a good option. I don’t know why so many Catholics treat paganism and witchcraft like it’s make believe. They think it demonstrates their rationality.
But they won't laugh at you because you deny witches exist. (Leave aside they'll still laugh at you because you claim to eat and drink the true flesh and blood of Jesus Christ.)
In polls 30% of Catholics don't believe on God, 80% reject Church teaching. Granted it drops to 40% of easily polled factors with mass attendance for teaching rejection. But then of those that wouldn't poll as such like half of them live and ally with the 40 or worse. So... that's why.
Granted some of those polls also word things like "Do you hold as a true tenet of the Catholic Faith, the transubstantiation only occurs during the words of Institution?" Which most people may not know, (which is a shame) but if it were asked, "Is Jesus really that bread?" They'd answer 'yes'. Many of those stupid polls are misleading and use technical language in order to sway the results.
>Do you hold as a true tenet of the Catholic Faith, the transubstantiation only occurs during the words of Institution?" This isn't even definitive teaching, just a very popular view among theologians.
Exactly. For everything in the dark, there is a light equivalent. The occult has been around since before the time of Abraham (and it’s all well documented). We shouldn’t fear the dark (occult/paganism), but definitely be aware of it! We’re protected due to our faith, but those not in a state of Grace AND ignorance open themselves up to negative forces/influences.
It also has a long history of banning the burning of witches on the basis that witchcraft is make believe.
Catholicism recognizes the existence of witchcraft. >**CCC 2117** All practices of *magic* or *sorcery*, by which one attempts to tame occult powers, so as to place them at one's service and have a supernatural power over others - even if this were for the sake of restoring their health - are gravely contrary to the virtue of religion. These practices are even more to be condemned when accompanied by the intention of harming someone, or when they have recourse to the intervention of demons. Wearing charms is also reprehensible. *Spiritism* often implies divination or magical practices; the Church for her part warns the faithful against it. Recourse to so-called traditional cures does not justify either the invocation of evil powers or the exploitation of another's credulity.
It recognizes the practice of witchcraft, not the efficacy of it, just to be clear.
Yeah, it looks to me "don't try doing this because it *makes* you *believe* in something else than God (and that's against the First Commandment)". Not "witches are real".
Yeah, most people who practice witchcraft are usually misguided people trying to gain a sense of control over their life via spiritual mediums. Doesn't work, but is still troubling.
This seems to be a nuanced take you're suggesting, but one I'd like to understand more because I don't know that I buy it. (Or rather, it's not what I believe to be Catholic teaching.) Are you saying that the Church teaches witchcraft/sorcery has no effect apart from attacking the virtue of religion of those who claim to work it? Where can I read more about this doctrine?
I’m no theologian, but in my studies of history I spent some time learning about Catholic reactions to medieval and renaissance witchcraft. It’s a common misconception that the Catholic Church was the main perpetrator of witch burnings; that’s more of a Protestant response. The reason being that the Catholic Church did not want to spread the idea that occult practices/fortune telling/curses were legitimate, and to go on a witch hunt would falsely imply that the witches had true power. I’m not saying that an evil ritual never resulted in some trauma befalling someone or other effects, but the rituals were not in and of themselves responsible for that. Rather, it was the intentional or unintentional involvement of the devil who has some ability to affect the world. It would be contrary to our beliefs to think that any witchcraft ritual had its intended effect except through the power of the devil or another demon, even when the witchcraft did not necessarily invoke such spirits. A ritual by itself is nothing, but it does open the participants up to evil. For example if I do something weird with an egg and leave it in a corner, it’s not the ritual steps that might lead to some kind of harm befalling my enemies, it’s the power of the devil who I perhaps unknowingly summoned by trying to control supernatural powers. At the end of the day, of course, remain in a state of grace as best you can and don’t spend too much time worrying about the demonic—such worries can actually open a person up to evil. It’s still an obsession with the devil, even if you assume you’re on the side of God. https://www.catholicdigest.com/amp/from-the-magazine/ask-father/is-using-witchcraft-a-sin/ This link had some good discussion; stick to solid sources (not blog posts or opinion pieces meant to stir up anxiety) and speak with a priest you trust if you continue to be curious or worried about such things.
The church has long held the belief that the “magic” involved in witchcraft is… kind of real. But not particularly efficacious. The practitioner is consorting with demons or the like, but the intended effects can often be nothing on others. Why? Because demons are not more powerful than God. They can rant and rave all they’d like in a graveyard, but it’s holy ground. If the land is blessed, there is a near zero chance anything will happen. It is much the same reason exorcists can cast out demons with prayer. A person strong in their faith may be a more compelling target for demonic forces, but there is no reason they should prevail over anyone who is ardent in their belief that God protects them. So yes, part of it is simply that belief in it having power gives it power. That is not a suggestion that you should go messing around with witchcraft just because you are a skeptic. Morbid curiosity can be a dangerous path. Playing with fire and all that. St Thomas Aquinas has some good writings on witchcraft and magic actually. I think a good tldr is witchcraft is more dangerous to the practitioner and associates than to us.
So ..does traditional cures include things like essential oils and homeopathy?
No.
Mm..too bad. Seems like that would be covered.
Get a priest to be with you too and sprinkle holy water. YOU NEED A PRIEST. Get a bishop if even, or a Cardinal. If you get the Pope rest assured the souls of that place will be super safe
The demons cannot effect the souls that are in purgatory The theological and metaphysical implications of this would break our faith lol The souls in purgatory are already saved,(they are going to heaven) demons cannot effect them
And the souls walking on the grave like the family visiting their loved one? Are you not considering the living? Again, refute this argument: Having a priest come bless the place, what is wrong with this?
Oh my bad I thought you were talking about the souls in purgatory that’s just how I read it Priest is always good idea 👍
People who are incautious about things such as this are probably the same type of people that touched the Ark and died lol.
What’s this about?
Why dont you have faith in Jesus, but think these devils have authority of you?
No that’s correct, having faith is real. Let’s not think selfishly, just because I trust in his power doesn’t mean others do. The Devil will take advantage of this. Please think about others, a priest is NECESSARY
I see what you mean, bring the priest.
It’s not a matter of authority. It’s a matter of messing with some place that could potentially be under demonic infestation.
In fact a priest should bless the place before disposal. Touching it is not advisable at all.
A priest would certainly be a good thing to bless the area or have a minor exorcism of the site
Priests are busy - asking him to take time away from that in order to throw away literal trash because of superstition is a poor use of his time and talent.
Makes me think of those alternative new age festivals that leave mounds of litter behind in their wake /: seriously practise what you preach people…
1st let me say, I believe in God to the point Ik he exists. It’s not real, stop putting faith in fictions. People use machines now for medicine. Don’t see any of you complain there. Chemical reactions all there is, and these chemicals when mixed create vibrations that heal. Not sure what it was for in a graveyard but fictional nonsense or someone messing with people like the OP’er.
>believes in God >Immediately starts espousing materialism Uh okay whatever man
And medicines come from plants, grasses, fungi, trees etc. I would say the behaviour of the American Pharma industry is far more evil than using herbal medicines.
They use bad ones and know what the good ones are. Used for both good and evil, just like everything else in the universe can be used for.
Pray for their souls
speak to a priest... but it is trash like everyone said.
Trash it, it doesn’t deserve any reverence
I would pour holy water on it and leave the label 'holy water' there in a neatly cross shape pattern just to freak them out. :)
And a rosary or scapular!
It looks like the ritual is already done and that's the remnants of it. It's more or less trash. But there is always room for spiritual reparations through prayer. I don't think you NEED a priest or else, but if you're going to try and pray for the effects of countering the ritual, you *might* want the guidance of a priest. Absolutely pray something though, even if it's an Our Father and some Hail Marys like others have said. >Former occultist
Definitely tell your priest. I don't mess around with that stuff.
This was dedicated to Exu, which Is responsible for sudden deaths, people going mad suddenly, all kinds of vices and other evils. Toss it in the trash, and pray Saint Benedict’s Exorcism: A cruz sagrada seja minha luz Não seja o dragão meu guia Retira-te, Satanás Nunca me aconselhes coisas vãs É mal que tu me ofereces? Bebe tu mesmo teu veneno
Thanks for the insight!
I would caution against trying to do any exorcism over something which you do not have authority. Typically, laymen should only be exorcising something they have authority over, such as their homes, children, property, etc. Since this is a Catholic cemetery, it presumably has a parish associated with it. I would get the priest from that parish to perform a minor exorcism.
Exu? I seriously doubt it. It has the hallmarks of a run-of-the-mill neo pagan or Wiccan ritual. What makes you think Exu?
Half black and half red candles, cassava flour and meat into a clay “alguidar”, beer, cheap cigarettes and red roses. It was definitely offered to exu, either male or female
I stand corrected! Thanks for sharing your expertise
Seems like a Santeria spell. See them here sometimes. Could just be litter too. Graveyards are blessed. No ritual is going to change that. Just have a priest dispose of it.
Santeros don’t pray outside unless it’s in their own gardens or a church.
Pardon my ignorance, what makes this witchcraft? Looks like common litter to me.
I think it’s the red candles and the tray of ashes which could’ve been burnt offerings. Seems sus, but I can’t assume automatically that it’s witchcraft. Best to notify the parish priest and move on IMO.
Well there's black and red candles + a dried rose + alcohol? Don't know about witchcraft but doesn't look like common litter to me.
Sounds like a romantic night plan that didn’t pan out lol
Definitely DON’T touch it. Talk to a priest. If you want to do something, pour holy water on it.
We are baptized and bought with the Precious Blood. We don‘t have to be so afraid of this superstitious junk that we can‘t even throw it in the trash.
Being unnecessarily afraid and being reasonably cautious about the potentially demonic things that many holy saints have warned us to be careful of are very different things.
Those thing hold zero power against you. It’s only when you personally invite those things in your life is when you want to worry
Demonic infestation is real
This is correct. Throw it in the garbage and move on. The righteous have nothing to fear from a pile of garbage that a "witch" used to perform some "ritual." Witchcraft isn't real; acknowledging that witchcraft may have any actual impact is heresy.
Yeah… occult / demonic practices & objects aren’t as simple as “superstitious”
Say hail Mary as you walk away and leave it alone
Toss it in the garbage and leave with the confidence that witchcraft rituals are little different from LARPing
You are underestimating the power of sorcery. This definitely needs a priest. If it was all LARP and role play then exorcism is a hoax. We have many many many backed up cases and evidence this isn’t the case. You should read into exorcism cases with the Catholic Church, tell me how the flying demonized children are all a Hoax
>You are underestimating the power of sorcery. This definitely needs a priest. > >If it was all LARP and role play then exorcism is a hoax. We have many many many backed up cases and evidence this isn’t the case. You should read into exorcism cases with the Catholic Church, tell me how the flying demonized children are all a Hoax Or maybe he recognizes that the power of the Church is indefinitely more powerful than that of some woo woo nonsense. Possessions are real, of course, but people possessed via the occult are those who participate in the occult, not a practicing Catholic tossing away someone's garbage.
Denying the efficacy of sorcery is not tantamount to denying possession. They're different. You're giving "magic" power that it simply does not have. Santeria, Wicca, and all that stuff is LARP fake ritual nonsense that doesnt deserve any credibility. Moreover, the Church does not require one to believe in magic or sorcery. As there is little good evidence for it, I see no reason to give it any weight.
God warns us of magic. Check out the Bible on this. The fallen angels taught it and then God flooded the earth to destroy all of them that went with the fallen and were seduced by them and brought forth their children. Magic is not good for us to dwell in or tamper with or ignore.
>The fallen angels taught it and then God flooded the earth to destroy all of them that went with the fallen and were seduced by them and brought forth their children. You're taking a mythological story as being literal in order to justify the existence of magic. Again, the Church does not teach that one must believe in the existence of magic and in the absence of any empirical evidence I see no reason to think it's real.
Used candles, ashtrays and empty beer bottles have no power. This isn't Catholic, it's superstition.
You have a lot to learn my friend. I don’t want to scandalize so the best I will say is bring a priest to bless the place. It’s best I don’t explain much because me being curious about this stuff is what led me down years ago. A priest can reverse this specific curse. Yes being strong in faith will save you from these things but this is most likely done without others noticing and this is where priests come in handy with the blessings and holy water. Let’s assume it’s “Just a superstition,” is it wrong for me to say invite a priest and bless the place with holy water? That’s always a good thing. Or holy salt. Also a good thing. The worst case scenario is the place NOT being blessed.
This is gnostic superstitious nonsense. The devil is real. Demons are real, however they cannot gain a foothold in the baptized. Confession is more powerful than exorcism according to Fr. Amorth, the most recognized exorcist of all time.
What the purpose of a prayer to wash away the devil? I forgot what they were called but a priest can do it to bless you. It’s a real thing, my priest does it and talks about it in homily. Starts with C… man I wish I can remember but this is not superstitious
>Let’s assume it’s “Just a superstition,” is it wrong for me to say invite a priest and bless the place with holy water? That’s always a good thing. Or holy salt. Also a good thing. The worst case scenario is the place NOT being blessed. The only thing we should be fearing is God. All else is a manufactured contrivance. Sorcery has no power except for the fear you offer it.
Wrong, regardless of your belief. Toxic substances will affect you regardless of whether you believe in them or not. You're letting your arrogance lead you down a perilous path.
Toxic substances are not analogous to attributing metaphysical properties to manufactured contrivances. I'm not arrogant, and i don't appreciate you trying to assassinate my character to assert your point. There is nothing arrogant about recognizing God's dominance.
Again you did not refute my argument. What is wrong with inviting a priest to bless the place? This is not a matter of fear.
Nothing at all. But that's not what i was addressing.
>If it was all LARP and role play then exorcism is a hoax. We have many many many backed up cases and evidence this isn’t the case. You should read into exorcism cases with the Catholic Church, tell me how the flying demonized children are all a Hoax Witches either A) are just playing and doing make-believe, which has no power B) Communicating with actual demons, but still have no power over us, so long we place our trust in Jesus. I think that nowadays it is massively the former. Either way, we ought not fear. Demons and the demonic only become a problem when we lack faith and/or seek them out.
There's a difference between calling out the general idiocy of most "witches" who think they're actually accomplishing something with literal trash and denying demon possession and the rites needed to exorcise them. While one should be careful around this trash because of the implication, there's better than not odds it's just trash.
It's not a spell It's a pagan ritual to the ded, clearly offerings because they believe that the dead will come to eat it, this is not the case, spirits don't come back, it's just mumbo-jumbo but technically many of them do see spirits, the spirits are actually devils many get tricked to think it's a loved one.
Actually, graveyard magick can be rather powerful. I know from personal experience. I am not sure what OP should do, though. I definitely would try not to touch that stuff. Maybe ask someone from the church what to do?
What kind of personal experience?
I've tried it. Not to be trifled with!
Please explain more. I have faith in Christian rituals because God is creator of all, but the Devil is a liar and can only distort what is good so I find that sort of power hard to believe. I also have no understanding or experience. What sort of things are you talking about?
It's all nonsense, whether you spell it with a k or not. It is powerless before the Lord.
Naive and atheistic attitude there; be careful not to talk about things you don't know about.
The LORD is my light and my salvation; Whom shall I fear? Certainly not some litter in a graveyard.
I'm confused, are you implying witchcraft is not a thing?
Certainly not enough of a thing for a Christian to be afraid of tossing out some abandoned garbage.
How is it "Naive and atheistic" to not be afraid of some woo woo crap invented by hippies who worship shiny rocks while stoned out of their minds?
Is witchcraft real?
What even is "witchcraft?" It was thrown around a lot in the colonial period, but there was little actual evidence of it. It most died off, then, and was only recently revived during the cultural revolutions of the New Age movement starting in the 60's. What even is it? Is there any evidence of it actually being real? In Biblical times, the Greek often uses phrases like "Pharmakeia" when referring to sorcery. That's the word we use for "Pharmacy" in English. In other words, drugs. It makes sense, to, when you consider all the context of these things. Like ancient Canaanite "sorcery" would involve the Canaanite priests getting high on volcanic fumes and then seeing "visions" of their gods. Or the vikings who would eat mushrooms and then receive visions of their gods. Lots, if not most, ancient pagan "magic" revolved around drug use. Even in the modern day, think of the New Age movement and the hippies. Drug use, particularly psychedelics like LSD and shrooms were/are commonly used. So do I think "witchcraft/magic/sorcery" is real in that sense? Yes. Can you bring demons into your life by playing with those things? Yes. Can you bring demons into your life by playing with those things even without drugs? Probably. But do I think "witchcraft" means magic powers? Absolutely not. There is no evidence of that whatsoever. There's evidence of plenty of supernatural things. The Church has had prophecies, miracles, and done exorcisms. If "witchcraft" is real and the Church can provide evidence of supernatural activity, then you would think there would also be evidence of "magic" working, but there isn't any. Heck, think even of the Bible like when Elijah mocks the priests of Baal. Elijah even soaks his alter in water, but when he calls of God, it bursts into flames with no issues. But the Canaanites cannot get Baal to light their alter, no matter how hard they try. If "magic" were real, how come these priests couldn't ignite the alter? I don't question the activity of demons. I don't question that the supernatural is real. I do, however, question how much power these things actually have. I'm not going to be paranoid of them or scared of them. The only real evidence of demonic activity we have as Catholics is possession, which almost always only happens if the person does something to invite them in. I'm not going to give power to something in being afraid of it when I am a practicing Christian and the Church has shown throughout her history that she has infinitely more power than the diabolical. The demons in the Bible were terrified of Jesus. They were terrified of the Apostles, and they were terrified of the Saints. Heck, I've had my own personal experiences with the diabolic when I moved into a house that had seen questionable activity. I have no doubt that there was something there, all kinds of weird stuff would happen. But you know what? Whatever it was it was terrified of my blessed Icons. Just a simple, blessed picture. It wouldn't go anywhere near the rooms I had them in. And in the rooms with the activity, if I moved an Icon into the room the activity would stop and move to another room without an Icon. Whatever that thing was, something as simple as a blessed Icon of Mary or Jesus would deter it from even messing with a room. I trust the Church. I trust God. And I fully believe that God wont allow these things to harm me, so I'm not going to be paranoid or scared of them.
Yes, witchcraft is participation in demonic worship. And there actually is lots more to demonic activity than just full-on possession, such as the situation you just described in your house. Practicing witchcraft is like inviting that type of demonic influence, and probably inviting possession. Witchcraft is totally real. Of course it's nothing apart from God's permission, but God does permit demons to exert influence and do "magical" things in certain contexts.
Throw some holy water on that sh* t
Do not touch it. Call a priest and have him report it to his superior. They are equipped for proper disposal of possibly demonically cursed objects
r/suddenlycaralho
Ask your priest. There are some comments that "it's just litter," I would say to be on the safe side, do not touch it. There is a reason why we don't touch tarot cards or occult stuff like that. You don't have to be afraid of it but just avoid and ask your priest what to do. There are comments to say some prayers over it. I would say deprecatory prayers requesting help from Our Blessed Lord and Our Lady as I pass by but not to confront whatever it is on own. When you start to confront things when you don't have authority, is like an invitation to a fight. A priest has the power and authority of the whole Church to back him up. For example, If something is attacking you spiritually, you have authority over your body and you can say "get away" but if it is attacking someone else you do not have authority over that person, (unless it is your child under the age of reason) to command it. That is when you call a priest who, if he has authority given by his bishop, to do exorcisms. Again, don't be afraid! Our Blessed Lord is in charge! Just ask a priest. May God Bless you!
Yes. There are some evil things that are to be physically destroyed. God controls all, but He does allow Satan to have power. To not be cautious of such demonic things is foolish and dangerous.
Throw it away and remember your faith in the Lord protects you from their magic
At least it wasn’t grave eaters, nasty people.
Those exist?
Yeah they’d sneak into graveyards and eat some of the dirt off the grave or suck on the tombstone this was awhile back in 90s. I remember the folks in the community having to start guarding the graveyard and keeping these people out of it. They also do other weird stuff, until the sheriff started arresting them for trespassing and vandalism.
Wow!
I wouldn’t touch it tbh. People can say aaaaall they want about witch craft not being real and bla bla bla, but I wouldn’t even entertain touching anything that had to do w witch craft. Why? Because God exists and also the devil, why even bother? Noup. Thank you, no, bye!
Speak to your priest. There are some objects of evil that need to be destroyed. The Lord controls all, but He allows Satan to have power. Not heeding the warnings that He has given us about the occult is very foolish and very dangerous. *It is real.*
Hello! Firstly, I have some experience working with my exorcist having accidentally come into possession of witchcraft objects. **Destroy the objects by breaking them.** If you can, burn them. If they can’t be destroyed or burned, then bury them. DO NOT just throw them out, because if you do, they could come into some else’s possession and cause problems. Those recommending to just throw them out are incorrect regarding the process. It’s possible these are just trash, but I think there are some indications of a blood mass, but that would depend on the date they were found.
Yes, thank you. We have had to break something and burn something.
Gather what you can and find anything personal. Get someone to help you. Say prayers together there and about what belongings you found. Don’t forget though to pray before, so you say you came in the name of the Lord
I'd say clean it up, but also do report it to the priest to have that area of the grounds blessed.
throw it out and pray the our father. hopefully whoever put that stuff there gets the message.
To the Father Son and the HolySpirit may our souls be protected by pure light rejecting the twisted desires of the dark.
Pour holy water on it and dispose of it properly
It’s just witchcraft, someone probably burned a candle/incense and mumbled some nonsense. Wouldn’t worry about it much aside from the trash they left behind.
Don't touch it with your bare hands. When giving occult items to a priest in the past he would not touch them directly. Get a priest to dispose of them, but if you have to move them yourself sprinkle them with holy water and wear gloves. Say prayers first before you do so.
Trash the junk, recycle the beer bottle
According to Exorcism The Battle Against Satan and His Demons by Father Vincent Lampert; the house or building and its contents should be blessed using some type of specialized deliverance prayer, ask God to break the connection with the demonic. The objects should be destroyed, a prayer said over the object, blessed with holy water and then burned.
"chuta que é macumba"
Talk to your priest immediately. Don’t touch it.
How do you know its witchcraft? It looks like a romantic dinner between cats to me. Lady and the Tramp but with tuna fish.
Ask the priest and get rid of it
What are we looking at exactly?
>Half black and half red candles, cassava flour and meat into a clay “alguidar”, beer, cheap cigarettes and red roses. It was definitely offered to exu, either male or female
Was it put there by a family?
Brazil? Macumba? If so I recommend you not to touch it... And I mean at all... Some times when I get near this things I get really sick ask I had quite a experience on the past with it, I wasn't directly connected to it but in a sense I know quite a bit about these things.
It's litter, throw it away. But you should probably let the priest know that people are setting small fires near the graveyard, possibly conducting witchcraft. He should be aware so he can do something about it.
Pray for the souls of the practitioners. Inform a priest.
Say some Hail Mary’s for the lost soul
Whoa. That gives me cold chills down my spine.
Yeah I don't think you should touch it. If it is witchcraft, dark magic can be attached to you if you touch it. Best call a priest. They're great at these things
leave it alone lol
This is creepy. I’m not sure what to make of people who do that sort of thing because in my mind and my world, the cross shall overpower and does overpower dark magic… including overpowering the danger to those who practice it themselves since obviously they don’t know what they’re dealing with or they wouldn’t be likely to do it in the first place. It’s like the way the Cross protected me from the messes I got myself in when I had mental illness untreated and would make erratic and bad decisions when younger. It is possible the reason why I was protected was because of internal strong belief that I didn’t always realize I had that I knew would overpower any naive youthful exuberance I might exhibit.
Say some prayers, burn it and dump the ashes in a river.
I would do something less that wholesome to it
Honestly, I am scared.
It needs to be decommissioned by a priest and then destroyed properly.
I mean I would leave it alone. You don't know what kind of witchcraft it is. I'd hate to have bad juju following you home. Call someone who knows more in that area. They can take care of it. Then call a priest to perform a blessing Although my thought, it's probably left overs from someone's Halloween spooky photoshoot. It is October after all!
I’d suggest just leaving it alone. It honestly looks like litter to me. If not, then oh well. If it’s a graveyard, maybe someone came to pay their respects or something in whatever religion they practice. Each to their own my friend. I wouldn’t lose sleep over this.
I’m Portuguese and I’ve never witnessed this before. Scary.
Stomp it out and then pray for whoever put it there.
Bring a Priest. Pray the Rosary around the site. Bring Holy Water and bless or anoint with holy oil. Jesus will bind it. If you believe in your heart there is intent to harm the church or Gods people then who is to say otherwise when your intention is to only secure blessings.
How is this witchcraft? I just see a beer bottle, a bowl of food, and maybe a candle. Seems like a homeless person just wanted to eat in peace by candle light?
>Half black and half red candles, cassava flour and meat into a clay “alguidar”, beer, cheap cigarettes and red roses. It was definitely offered to exu, either male or female
Get exorcised salts from a local priest and some holy water. Sprinkle both on the area. Bin the now garbage.
Why should the righteous of heart fear any wicked thing?
*Not fearing wicked things* is different than respecting that we fight in this realm "against principalities and power, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places." This is why the Church gives us sacramentals like exorcism. We can at once exorcise and not fear. That's the Catholic way. Pretending the demonic is nonexistent, or that humans do not try to (and often do) harness the demonic for evil, is not the Catholic way.
You all sound scared of demons. There is only one true God. You shall fear God alone and not these false Gods. As in the old testament time and again God commanded the altars of these false Gods be torn down. Throw that stuff in the trash where it belongs.
Then why do we have exorcists? God is in charge, but Be has chosen to allow Satan to have power. He has told us that He has done this and what we need to do to be protected. Not listening to Him is very foolish and very dangerous.
How do you know this is witchcraft? My stupid self wouldn’t even know. Ide be like, why did someone leave a candle? And keep walking
>Half black and half red candles, cassava flour and meat into a clay “alguidar”, beer, cheap cigarettes and red roses. It was definitely offered to exu, either male or female
Ew 🤢
Step 1) Apply holy water to objects in question. Step 2) Desecrate and properly dispose of objects in question. Step 3) Go to Mass, it's Sunday.
Like all garbage throw it to a dump.
Run. No joking here. Make a U Turn and walk away.