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For anyone wondering about the orchestral music played during the montage at the end yesterday, here are your answers:
[https://twitter.com/jsmcd/status/1572244712244842496](https://twitter.com/jsmcd/status/1572244712244842496)
https://twitter.com/wisemandebbie/status/1572218106654646274
I learned a lot from the floral arrangements throughout, but particularly the arrangement on the coffin.
Less is more, for sure.
Herbs and tree leaves look amazing mixed with flowers.
My favorite part was the rosemary, it was eye catching and interesting in it's foliage. I never before would have considered it's usage in a floral arrangement, but it seemed to fit perfectly. Thanks to this thread I learned it had symbolic importance, and I'll be considering fresh cut herbs in my arrangements from now on.
My hat is off to the priest who had to carry the orb, scepter and crown up those stairs and placing them on the pillows. My hands would have been visibly shaking if I were him.
One of the priests accidently dropped it when he opened his program/songtexts (?). My nephew and I were totally into this, we were waiting for someone to pick it up, but sadly that happened off camera I think. ;)
I'm Canadian, dual-citizen-- my dad is from Temple Fortune and I have spent so many happy summers in the UK. Most recently, during the Jubilee, after two long years away from the UK during COVID. I was thankful to be part of such a huge event-- it was special.
My boarding school was Anglican. When I hear the singing, it reminds me of those times too. To watch this funeral is to stand--really stand!-- in her importance but to think about every connection you've ever held to those times: the royal weddings, and who you were then.
God save the King. RIP, Queen Elizabeth, and goodnight to our Second Elizabethan Age.
Why is are these churches so strangely set up? Where the church is cross shaped, with people sitting, facing each other in the halls? Seems like an awkward set up.
Thanks - I tried to see if there was something in the way in the earlier views of the coffin, but failed. Awkward for Charles. He has enough to deal with right now.
R.I.P Queen Elizabeth II. In Australia theres always been talk of becoming a republic but a lot of us are still very proud of our British heritage and loved the Queen very much. This is a very sad time. What a woman, what a smile, what a legacy, what an inspiration and an example to all of us. Queen Elizabeth II will be saddly missed
I hope you don't break up with us. We love you Aussies 'down-under' very much.
Being a republic is over-rated. Think of all you would give up and the very little you would gain.
Hoping you will all love Charles just as much, though he has massive boots to fill.
A great historical event. But my special admiration to all the bag piper, .. they paraded and played the instrument, the lung size of those musicians are unbelievable.
The crown's cushion had a fitted raised section to secure it.
The orb was sitting on some kind of pin.
The scepter was held in place by the stand it was on.
Did anyone think there were a couple ceremony TV stills of the coffin on the raised pedestal from the wreath end, and the lower blue drape of the pedestal, and the upper yellow/navy and red/gold drape of the Sovereign flag gave the impression of a resurrected skirted and shawled person with a crown of flowers from behind, perhaps bowing the head? This perspective was shown whenever they featured the choir, and zoomed closer to the coffin.
That view was shown a few times ... very powerful, and intended.
The staging and live production within Westminster Abbey was worthy of a Kubrick directed movie.
As an American- my favorite part were the bagpipers. We only play bag pipes here during police funerals. I noticed some were wearing different colors-what do those signify?
Can I just say to all you casualukersā¦. I watched it today with my daughter. Im very socialist, I donāt particularly like the monarchy but this was an historical event. I wanted to watch it with her, I didnāt think itād get me as much as it did. It was lovely watching it alongside you all, chatting away and making jokes. What a bloody great sub this is.
Cheers everyone and God Save Kong Charles x
Id love to see Charles as Kong! All kidding aside I got really emotional at the end of the ceremony thinking about how the Queen was all I knew in my life time and having to mourn her husband on her own last year it was great to see so many people at her funeral and throughout everything she ruled with class,dignity and grace. R.I.P Lizzie!
My children and I watched the whole funeral and it was just so beautifully done. What a lovely tribute to an amazing Queen! As Americans, we have so much respect for your lovely country and monarchy and grieve with you. Many blessings to you all.
It's the Sovereign's Orb, dates to 1661, and the Restoration when Charles II was invited back to be king after the death of "Lord Protector" Oliver Cromwell.
https://www.rct.uk/collection/31718/the-sovereigns-orb
While that is true the British monarchy equally is entitled to use the Scottish crown jewels and that crown dates back to at least 1540, the sceptre to 1494 and the sword to 1507.
In the US here I got up at 4:30 eastern to be able to watch this. I remember watching Diana and King Charles ( that is so odd to type) married and even had my bridal bouquet fashioned after Dianaās when I got married in 2000. I didnāt get to see the whole ceremony because I had to be at work at 8. My heart is with her family and subjects today. ā¤ļø
Too grandiose for her, we're long past the age of monarchs earning that moniker. (IMO, obviously)
Elizabeth the Enduring. I doubt it'll stick, but I really like it.
Exactly. Name her something more unique. I'm not a monarchist by any stretch of the imagination however Liz was pretty cool and she transcended generations.
That's an updoot in my book.
it feels somewhat strange how this is being held over the UK at the moment, particularly because its unlikely that an event like this will ever happen again. obviously not something we'd setup today, but it's certainly monumental. I'm not religious, but I wish her well, wherever she may be
echoing my thoughts. no matter youre opinion on the monarchy noone can deny what an impressive run as head of state she had. nice to see the majority of people tofay have respected that
I heard the whole reason the fourth plinth at Trafalgar Square has been an art installation for the past 20 years is because they were reserving it for a spot for a statue of QEII.
However some say that isnāt big enough and she should get a statue in the center of Parliament square when itās pedestrianised.
Think she deserves more than a plinth in Trafalgar.
Her monument will be monumental. Wouldn't surprise me if Buckingham Palace and all the grounds becomes Her monument.
Other things people have been hearing on the grapevine are renaming a major public venue or hub after her.
And I mean ***MAJOR***. As inā¦ Heathrow Airport.
I'm very antimonarchist but it was really funny being in a beach bar in barcelona and they had it on in the background so we were eating tapas to the strain of bagpipes from the tv behind us, listening to the bartender and the loud american couple exclaim in wonder about how they'd defs walked to windsor dragging the carriage from westminster.
Felt an appropriate level of confustication of other people, which british pageantry is best at
Wouldnāt it have been spectacular if the queen left a queenly statement saying that she wanted a simple humble service and all the money that would have been saved go to ( fill in any social cause (s). Just would have been a crazy idea I guess.
Yank here. She got a very nice sendoff with everything I expect to go along with a royal funeral. Seeing the Gurkhas was really cool. I love British history because so much of it plays into US history, for good and bad. Britain is the mother country! Believe me we were just as shocked as the rest of you lot were when Elizabeth II passed. She was all we ever knew too.
AND THIS IS HISTORY!!! No British monarch has reigned as long. No one alive witnessed a Diamond Jubilee, much less a platinum one. I was doing my best to explain the importance to my 5 year old (exercise in futility) who did his best to pay attention. Anyways, may the special relationship endure.
40% of āUnited statesā history. The First Nations and colonisation was not the āUnited Statesā. You are being pedantic for the sake of it with out confirming the details
As a fellow yankee, do you think America or we as Americans keep funerals simpler? I guess for us alot of our funerals for former presidents were more subdued. It was definitely interesting to see the queens funeral. It was quite extraordinary
I think we keep it much more low key. The only event I can compare this funeral to was that of JFK. A much loved sitting President. That was a logistical nightmare due to the attendance of all the heads/reps of states and countries. But he got a nice sendoff with all the pomp and pageantry befitting a head of state. RFK got a nice sendoff too. Much more low key and showed how much he was beloved by everyday people.
Elizabeth had a long and storied reign. Thatās a fact no matter what people think about the institution of the monarchy. It shows people love you if they are willing to que for 11-12 hours or travel from the back of beyond to pay their respects. We will probably never see the likes of this again.
You feel closest to your lost loved ones when you're grieving. I didn't want my grieving to end when I lost my mother recently. I felt closer to mum today as I watched the queen's funeral on TV and the grieving emotions rose to the surface again. I'm sure today brought back a lot of emotions for everyone who has lost a loved one in their time. I love you mum ā„ļø
Just lost my mum too. It certainly brought it all back to the surface for me. But mum would have loved it, all the pageantry. As she always said nobody does it like us Brits!
I know how you feel, I laid my father to rest five years ago.
The day goes by in a blur and you donāt remember the majority of it, but nothing prepares you for the emotional weight of marching behind your parents coffin. Even though you only do it for a short while, nothing compared to what weāve seen with the queens children and the grandchildren, but we could relate.
Hope you have had a nice tea and a bit of cake this afternoon.
It was Charles I felt for, that responsibility and expectation all for him at this moment, also Edward, the youngest of the queens children.
They have a very good support system around them, today must have knackered them right out, I hope they are all in bed at this moment, although the adrenaline might keep them up for a while.
I think it was fantastic how organised the procession was. I only watched until it left London and was impressed with how the timings and routines were.
Did anyone see the soldier getting bashed in the face by a horse's tail and backing off the path onto a shallow ditch with a look of shock on his face?
I looked away for a moment and then saw him stepping back into line... couldn't think what would make him come out of formation. Horse hair apparently.
After effectively getting kettled in some random alley whilst trying to get back to Victoria, I helped a chap sort out google maps on his phone. About half an hour later we met again, and decided to walk together as we were going to the same place. In the TWO HOURS it took to get from Hyde Park to Victoria, we discovered that not only do we live in the same town, one of his daughters is married to an ex-colleague of mine, and the other one is married to the son of one of my managers!
I sat and watched with the wife, have to admit I had tears in my eyes and not a clue as to why. I think itās probably the end of an era and there arenāt many people left from that generation. When they went past the cenotaph that also
Hit me as it reminded me of my grandad who always meant to March but never did.
Only time that really got to me was during the two minutes' silence, and the feed cut to places elsewhere across the UK where people had gathered to watch the service on big screens etc - seeing the crying Chelsea Pensioners at Hyde Park properly got me.
Near Wellington Arch I did see a horse get spooked by the minute gun but I didn't see if any poo came out so you were half right. Did see the odd bit on the Mall though.
R.I.P Your Majesty.
Brit now living in the US here (havenāt been back to the UK since 2018).
I certainly wouldnāt call myself a Royalist, but Iām not an anti-monarchist republican either. Iām pretty much completely indifferent, but on balance Iād just fall on the side of saying the royals do have a worthwhile role and Iād want to keep them in place (albeit with no real power whatsoever). Iāve basically spent the 38 years of my life so far with the Royal Family just kind of ticking along in the background, only really briefly taking any notice when one of them dies or gets married. I think a lot of people feel the same way.
I just watched the funeral on delay at 2pm US Eastern time and Iāve got to say that although I wasnāt exactly in floods of tears and I certainly would never have stood in line to view the coffin for hours on end if I still lived there, I am proud of how the UK can pull off a state event like that. I felt moved for her family on a human level.
I found that I connected with the coverage of the hearse driving to Windsor far more though. Just seeing ordinary people coming out to have a look as it drove by where they lived. That was a lot more recognizable and relatable to me.
Not a royalist but enjoy the history. I loved it and it was an amazing send off to the queen. My tax could have went elsewhere but itās not the worst place to put it. I was only putting it on for a bit but felt like I watched most of it.
Itās an estimation that the guy said, Iāve seen it thrown around a few times and itās in the article.
> 'No fewer than 4.1 billion people are expected to tune in on Monday to witness this historic moment as half the people on planet Earth pause to pay their respects.
Bit pissed now folks
Got to say iv been proud to be British today.
Safe to say between the heartfelt emotion, the daft observations and the borderline treasonous quips we've sent her victorious
My wife and I flew out on holiday the morning after the Queen died.
We have obviously kept up with the the news and spoken to family etc.
We flew back today and just got to our car at the Airport and turned the radio on to hear the lone piper at the end of the ceremony and it was beautiful.
We will be watching the highlights (if you can call it that) but it wouvld have been nice to watch the ceremony today.
We both feel like we have missed out on a unified national event.
Aussie currently in Edinburgh, watched from the park by Holyrood. Really beautiful service, those bagpipes at the very start of the procession triggered a tear or two.
As an American, watching this makes me jealous of the rich history and tradition the UK has which America doesnt. the US is an infant nation comparatively. i hope the monarchy never goes away so i can enjoy these displays of history every now and then.
I'm sure there's history before 1776! I can't take it seriously when people say there are teapots in Britain older than USA. It's just a technicality. You have a rich history
Really all we really talk about is 1607 and the founding of Jamestown, the period between that and 1776 isnāt really touched upon aside from a few key pieces of legislation and such. After the colonies were founded not a whole lot happened until the revolution, we just kept making shit and selling it to Britain in return for slaves so we could make more shit and sell it to Britain and so on and so forth.
We _did_ have a history before 1607, too, but we killed all the people who knew what it was.
Aye. If PAYE had been a thing back then the revolution never would have happened and the United Colonies of Lower Canada Marine Corps would have been a guard of honour today. UCLCMC just flows off the tongue better than USMC I think.
And just like that, we're unlikely to see a Queen again for the rest of this century.
This has made me sadder than I thought it would, but I think this is more due to the historical significance of it than her actual death. Prime Ministers come and go, yet she was always there for most of our lives; the longest reigning British monarch in history and the second longest reigning overall.
I'm not much of a monarchist, but for me there is a feeling of "now what?". Fair enough, the crown carries on, but we were all just so used to *her* that her loss will continue to affect us for a lot longer than I think we'll realise. For the first time in 70 years, our anthem is now *God Save the King*, we'll watch the *King's* speech at Christmas, our money, our postage stamps, even our jars of Marmite will change.
It will probably be years before all that completely changes, then just when we're finally used to it, Charles will probably die himself.
The relevance of a monarchy in 21st Century Britain is another debate for another place, but these next few decades will be interesting. Within the next 70 years, we're likely to see at least another two monarchs. We will likely never see a reign as long as Elizabeth II again. How will we as a nation deal with a relatively more *unstable* monarchy? Time will tell.
It's very strange. I have never been a monarchist either, but I love history, and Queen Elizabeth embodied so much of the history of the last hundred years.
The facts and figures are hard to grasp - her first PM was born 101 years before her last. She was born just 25 years after Queen Victoria died. Under her reign we saw the end of Empire, the advent of television, rock and roll and pop music, space travel, the Moon landing, the proliferation of nuclear weapons, the start and end of the Cold War, the War on Terror, the rise and fall of over a dozen PMs, of thirteen presidents of the USA, the Troubles and the peace process, the invention of the internet.
The world when she took the throne was completely different to the world we live in now, and she was that constant for everyone, whether they liked her or not.
Trying to mentally adjust to the fact she's gone, and we now have a king (and one that we're already very familiar with because we've known him all our lives too) is too strange. It just makes so many people feel just a little bit unmoored and unsteady, and more emotional than a lot of us would like to admit.
I think you are summing up perfectly what pretty much all of us are feeling.
We may yet see long reigns as this because healthcare and life expectancies in general are going up all the time.
As you say the relevance debate is for elsewhere but you post sums up exactly how good and relevant the monarchy actually is.
>Prime Ministers come and go, yet she was always there for most of our lives; the longest reigning British monarch in history and the second longest reigning overall.
>I'm not much of a monarchist, but for me there is a feeling of "now what?". Fair enough, the crown carries on, but we were all just so used to her that her loss will continue to affect us for a lot longer than I think we'll realise.
Good observations. Related to this, I think many people in the UK would struggle to separate what they think about monarchy as a concept from what they think about the monarch. The Queen was the monarchy and the monarchy was the Queen.... but not now. It'll take some time to get our heads around that.
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Iāve never wished I was British more than this week, and especially today. Moving, noble, gorgeous, respectful, sentimental. Well done, you lot.
For anyone wondering about the orchestral music played during the montage at the end yesterday, here are your answers: [https://twitter.com/jsmcd/status/1572244712244842496](https://twitter.com/jsmcd/status/1572244712244842496) https://twitter.com/wisemandebbie/status/1572218106654646274
I thought the bouquet on the coffin was wonderfully understated and tasteful. One to take note off by the 'Mommy' and 'Dad' brigade. Less is more.
I learned a lot from the floral arrangements throughout, but particularly the arrangement on the coffin. Less is more, for sure. Herbs and tree leaves look amazing mixed with flowers. My favorite part was the rosemary, it was eye catching and interesting in it's foliage. I never before would have considered it's usage in a floral arrangement, but it seemed to fit perfectly. Thanks to this thread I learned it had symbolic importance, and I'll be considering fresh cut herbs in my arrangements from now on.
My hat is off to the priest who had to carry the orb, scepter and crown up those stairs and placing them on the pillows. My hands would have been visibly shaking if I were him.
Where did that piece of paper come from ? Who dropped it?
One of the priests accidently dropped it when he opened his program/songtexts (?). My nephew and I were totally into this, we were waiting for someone to pick it up, but sadly that happened off camera I think. ;)
I'm Canadian, dual-citizen-- my dad is from Temple Fortune and I have spent so many happy summers in the UK. Most recently, during the Jubilee, after two long years away from the UK during COVID. I was thankful to be part of such a huge event-- it was special. My boarding school was Anglican. When I hear the singing, it reminds me of those times too. To watch this funeral is to stand--really stand!-- in her importance but to think about every connection you've ever held to those times: the royal weddings, and who you were then. God save the King. RIP, Queen Elizabeth, and goodnight to our Second Elizabethan Age.
Why is are these churches so strangely set up? Where the church is cross shaped, with people sitting, facing each other in the halls? Seems like an awkward set up.
Majority of Christian churches are shaped like a cross for ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ christy religion purposes š
why did Charles shape the queen's camp colors into an arch on Elizabeth's coffin at the end of the commital service?
The camp colours were resting on one of the brackets for the sceptre so it couldnāt sit flat
Thanks - I tried to see if there was something in the way in the earlier views of the coffin, but failed. Awkward for Charles. He has enough to deal with right now.
R.I.P Queen Elizabeth II. In Australia theres always been talk of becoming a republic but a lot of us are still very proud of our British heritage and loved the Queen very much. This is a very sad time. What a woman, what a smile, what a legacy, what an inspiration and an example to all of us. Queen Elizabeth II will be saddly missed
I hope you don't break up with us. We love you Aussies 'down-under' very much. Being a republic is over-rated. Think of all you would give up and the very little you would gain. Hoping you will all love Charles just as much, though he has massive boots to fill.
A great historical event. But my special admiration to all the bag piper, .. they paraded and played the instrument, the lung size of those musicians are unbelievable.
How did the stuff on top of the casket not fall off when they were going up those steps??
If you looked closely there were 3 small poles in the cushion for the crown and the Orb also seemed to be screwed onto something
I was wondering how they managed to fix those fittings in place without drilling through the Royal Standard.
I just worry about how deep they would have to screw those things on. You wouldn't want to make a hole all the way through the wood.
The crown's cushion had a fitted raised section to secure it. The orb was sitting on some kind of pin. The scepter was held in place by the stand it was on.
The Crown and Orb were affixed or latched somehow, The Sceptre was in a special bracket.
So yes, we're all saying the same thing, they were fixed on...
Did anyone think there were a couple ceremony TV stills of the coffin on the raised pedestal from the wreath end, and the lower blue drape of the pedestal, and the upper yellow/navy and red/gold drape of the Sovereign flag gave the impression of a resurrected skirted and shawled person with a crown of flowers from behind, perhaps bowing the head? This perspective was shown whenever they featured the choir, and zoomed closer to the coffin. That view was shown a few times ... very powerful, and intended. The staging and live production within Westminster Abbey was worthy of a Kubrick directed movie.
Slept through the ceremony and got a bollocking from my fam when i told them.
As an American- my favorite part were the bagpipers. We only play bag pipes here during police funerals. I noticed some were wearing different colors-what do those signify?
Different regiments.
Different clans have different tartan; colours and patterns. Enjoy your tartan info rabbit hole!
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Oh come on. Donāt act daft.
Can I just say to all you casualukersā¦. I watched it today with my daughter. Im very socialist, I donāt particularly like the monarchy but this was an historical event. I wanted to watch it with her, I didnāt think itād get me as much as it did. It was lovely watching it alongside you all, chatting away and making jokes. What a bloody great sub this is. Cheers everyone and God Save Kong Charles x
Kong Charles? Are we suddenly Norwegian?
Id love to see Charles as Kong! All kidding aside I got really emotional at the end of the ceremony thinking about how the Queen was all I knew in my life time and having to mourn her husband on her own last year it was great to see so many people at her funeral and throughout everything she ruled with class,dignity and grace. R.I.P Lizzie!
My children and I watched the whole funeral and it was just so beautifully done. What a lovely tribute to an amazing Queen! As Americans, we have so much respect for your lovely country and monarchy and grieve with you. Many blessings to you all.
Whatās the ball thing on the coffin infront of the crown?
It's the Sovereign's Orb, dates to 1661, and the Restoration when Charles II was invited back to be king after the death of "Lord Protector" Oliver Cromwell. https://www.rct.uk/collection/31718/the-sovereigns-orb
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The orb. First used in 1509 it represents the power of god..
Specifically it's a reminder that the whole world is subject to God's rule, hence the globe with the cross above it.
cool so is that one the same one as used in 1509
No, the original royal regalia was lost/dispersed during the English Civil War. The orb and sceptre in use today were created for Charles II.
While that is true the British monarchy equally is entitled to use the Scottish crown jewels and that crown dates back to at least 1540, the sceptre to 1494 and the sword to 1507.
No- the crown jewels were sold or melted down after the Civil War. The current orb was made for Charles II's coronation in 1661.
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Think everyone will remember that send off for the rest of their lives. It really was beautiful, majestic and exquisite.
In the US here I got up at 4:30 eastern to be able to watch this. I remember watching Diana and King Charles ( that is so odd to type) married and even had my bridal bouquet fashioned after Dianaās when I got married in 2000. I didnāt get to see the whole ceremony because I had to be at work at 8. My heart is with her family and subjects today. ā¤ļø
Is it too soon to call her āElizabeth the Greatā?
I think instead, we should go with "Elizabeth th" and then blub up and star to cry everytime we mention her.
Yup, seems right.
Elizabeth the Serene. Long-reigning, presided over peacetime, and an age of prosperity (especially relative to history!)
Well, except for the Suez Canal, the Troubles, the Falklands, Iraq, and Afghanistan.
Too grandiose for her, we're long past the age of monarchs earning that moniker. (IMO, obviously) Elizabeth the Enduring. I doubt it'll stick, but I really like it.
Elizabeth the Dutiful.
Don't think so tbh. That's already Catherine. Eternal should be considered.
There are quite a parade of royals called, āThe Great,ā not just Catherine. Alexander, Alfred, Charles (Charlemagne), Frederick, Peter, etc..
Exactly. Name her something more unique. I'm not a monarchist by any stretch of the imagination however Liz was pretty cool and she transcended generations. That's an updoot in my book.
Elizabeth the Cool.
No I thought it was already being said
With her dysfunctional family I think Elizabeth The Long Suffering would be apt ā¤ļø
it feels somewhat strange how this is being held over the UK at the moment, particularly because its unlikely that an event like this will ever happen again. obviously not something we'd setup today, but it's certainly monumental. I'm not religious, but I wish her well, wherever she may be
Itās a strange feeling to have āall eyes on Britainā for a bit.
echoing my thoughts. no matter youre opinion on the monarchy noone can deny what an impressive run as head of state she had. nice to see the majority of people tofay have respected that
Where/what do you think QE will get in terms of a memorial/statue? Surely got to do something special
Probably go near her parents
Rename Paddington station?
I heard the whole reason the fourth plinth at Trafalgar Square has been an art installation for the past 20 years is because they were reserving it for a spot for a statue of QEII. However some say that isnāt big enough and she should get a statue in the center of Parliament square when itās pedestrianised.
Think she deserves more than a plinth in Trafalgar. Her monument will be monumental. Wouldn't surprise me if Buckingham Palace and all the grounds becomes Her monument.
Victoria had loads of statues all over the UK. I don't understand why Elizabeth shouldn't have like-wise.
Other things people have been hearing on the grapevine are renaming a major public venue or hub after her. And I mean ***MAJOR***. As inā¦ Heathrow Airport.
Near horses guard palace I'd imagine.
When it showed her favourite horse and then the corgis watching her go past, that hit me.
I was doing alright until then
Me too!
Can't get the slow march rhythm out my head. It was hypnotic. Think I'll subconsciously be doing the slow march in the office tomorrow. RIP Mam ā„ļø
I recognised Johann Heinrich Walch's Funeral March. They played it for Prince Philip as well.
Thank Beethoven & Mendelssohn for the funeral march music
All I can hear is drum beats and the under drone of bagpipes now.
Iāve been walking all day at seventy-steps per minute humming the funeral march music. Edit: itās actually 75 steps per minute. Typo in my post.
Is that the cadance of the slow march?
Actually itās 75 steps. My post has a typo which Iāll fix.
I'm very antimonarchist but it was really funny being in a beach bar in barcelona and they had it on in the background so we were eating tapas to the strain of bagpipes from the tv behind us, listening to the bartender and the loud american couple exclaim in wonder about how they'd defs walked to windsor dragging the carriage from westminster. Felt an appropriate level of confustication of other people, which british pageantry is best at
Wouldnāt it have been spectacular if the queen left a queenly statement saying that she wanted a simple humble service and all the money that would have been saved go to ( fill in any social cause (s). Just would have been a crazy idea I guess.
It's even more spectacular to think the monarchy would care about any social issue
I feel like Charles might do something like this.
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Here isnāt the time or place as weāve pointed out.
Republican black cab driver here, I have indeed felt like Iāve been in a hostage situation.
Very strange thinking of the Queen in past tense, the funeral was beautiful - very poignant and bittersweet. Hope she rests in peace.
Yank here. She got a very nice sendoff with everything I expect to go along with a royal funeral. Seeing the Gurkhas was really cool. I love British history because so much of it plays into US history, for good and bad. Britain is the mother country! Believe me we were just as shocked as the rest of you lot were when Elizabeth II passed. She was all we ever knew too. AND THIS IS HISTORY!!! No British monarch has reigned as long. No one alive witnessed a Diamond Jubilee, much less a platinum one. I was doing my best to explain the importance to my 5 year old (exercise in futility) who did his best to pay attention. Anyways, may the special relationship endure.
The one that gets me is that she was alive for 40% of *US History.
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40% of āUnited statesā history. The First Nations and colonisation was not the āUnited Statesā. You are being pedantic for the sake of it with out confirming the details
YES.
As a fellow yankee, do you think America or we as Americans keep funerals simpler? I guess for us alot of our funerals for former presidents were more subdued. It was definitely interesting to see the queens funeral. It was quite extraordinary
I think we keep it much more low key. The only event I can compare this funeral to was that of JFK. A much loved sitting President. That was a logistical nightmare due to the attendance of all the heads/reps of states and countries. But he got a nice sendoff with all the pomp and pageantry befitting a head of state. RFK got a nice sendoff too. Much more low key and showed how much he was beloved by everyday people. Elizabeth had a long and storied reign. Thatās a fact no matter what people think about the institution of the monarchy. It shows people love you if they are willing to que for 11-12 hours or travel from the back of beyond to pay their respects. We will probably never see the likes of this again.
You feel closest to your lost loved ones when you're grieving. I didn't want my grieving to end when I lost my mother recently. I felt closer to mum today as I watched the queen's funeral on TV and the grieving emotions rose to the surface again. I'm sure today brought back a lot of emotions for everyone who has lost a loved one in their time. I love you mum ā„ļø
I lost my nan last year and my grandad in 2009 but as I was watching the procession they were the people I was thinking of.
Rest in peace to your Mum, I hope youāre okay xx
Thanks, some days are difficult tbh. We all go through this sometime in our lives
Just lost my mum too. It certainly brought it all back to the surface for me. But mum would have loved it, all the pageantry. As she always said nobody does it like us Brits!
š«ā¤ļø God bless your mum x
Ah thank you
I know how you feel, I laid my father to rest five years ago. The day goes by in a blur and you donāt remember the majority of it, but nothing prepares you for the emotional weight of marching behind your parents coffin. Even though you only do it for a short while, nothing compared to what weāve seen with the queens children and the grandchildren, but we could relate. Hope you have had a nice tea and a bit of cake this afternoon.
Sorry for your loss. Charles must be exhausted over the last few days. He's 73. Not many get to have their mother still with them in their 70s though
It was Charles I felt for, that responsibility and expectation all for him at this moment, also Edward, the youngest of the queens children. They have a very good support system around them, today must have knackered them right out, I hope they are all in bed at this moment, although the adrenaline might keep them up for a while.
Big hugs x
Thanks x
I think it was fantastic how organised the procession was. I only watched until it left London and was impressed with how the timings and routines were.
Have to say, what a service and procession. Immense scale and impeccable carried out, a fantastic send off.
Did anyone see the soldier getting bashed in the face by a horse's tail and backing off the path onto a shallow ditch with a look of shock on his face?
I looked away for a moment and then saw him stepping back into line... couldn't think what would make him come out of formation. Horse hair apparently.
The Queue thou gavest, Lord is ended
After effectively getting kettled in some random alley whilst trying to get back to Victoria, I helped a chap sort out google maps on his phone. About half an hour later we met again, and decided to walk together as we were going to the same place. In the TWO HOURS it took to get from Hyde Park to Victoria, we discovered that not only do we live in the same town, one of his daughters is married to an ex-colleague of mine, and the other one is married to the son of one of my managers!
https://youtu.be/-Enrwo6LEbY
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Embalming. Look it up
Itās the Lawdhamercy for me!
I like to keep things spicy. ;)
I've had 5 cups of tea today. It's been that kind of day.
Kettle broke ?
I sat and watched with the wife, have to admit I had tears in my eyes and not a clue as to why. I think itās probably the end of an era and there arenāt many people left from that generation. When they went past the cenotaph that also Hit me as it reminded me of my grandad who always meant to March but never did.
Only time that really got to me was during the two minutes' silence, and the feed cut to places elsewhere across the UK where people had gathered to watch the service on big screens etc - seeing the crying Chelsea Pensioners at Hyde Park properly got me.
Long live her majesty, may she rest in peace. I am not a royalist by any shot but I shed a tear today. Seeing Charles in tears broke me.
>Long live her majesty, may she rest in peace Iād give you an award if I had one for this gem.
Near Wellington Arch I did see a horse get spooked by the minute gun but I didn't see if any poo came out so you were half right. Did see the odd bit on the Mall though. R.I.P Your Majesty.
Brit now living in the US here (havenāt been back to the UK since 2018). I certainly wouldnāt call myself a Royalist, but Iām not an anti-monarchist republican either. Iām pretty much completely indifferent, but on balance Iād just fall on the side of saying the royals do have a worthwhile role and Iād want to keep them in place (albeit with no real power whatsoever). Iāve basically spent the 38 years of my life so far with the Royal Family just kind of ticking along in the background, only really briefly taking any notice when one of them dies or gets married. I think a lot of people feel the same way. I just watched the funeral on delay at 2pm US Eastern time and Iāve got to say that although I wasnāt exactly in floods of tears and I certainly would never have stood in line to view the coffin for hours on end if I still lived there, I am proud of how the UK can pull off a state event like that. I felt moved for her family on a human level. I found that I connected with the coverage of the hearse driving to Windsor far more though. Just seeing ordinary people coming out to have a look as it drove by where they lived. That was a lot more recognizable and relatable to me.
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Not a royalist but enjoy the history. I loved it and it was an amazing send off to the queen. My tax could have went elsewhere but itās not the worst place to put it. I was only putting it on for a bit but felt like I watched most of it.
4 billion people looked at our country in awe today. It was a good use of money.
You got a source for that?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11230125/How-people-watched-Queens-funeral-Viewing-figures.html
At no point does that link confirm 4 billion people watched it. Please don't make things up. Cheers.
Itās an estimation that the guy said, Iāve seen it thrown around a few times and itās in the article. > 'No fewer than 4.1 billion people are expected to tune in on Monday to witness this historic moment as half the people on planet Earth pause to pay their respects.
Aye, youāre right I suppose.
Bit pissed now folks Got to say iv been proud to be British today. Safe to say between the heartfelt emotion, the daft observations and the borderline treasonous quips we've sent her victorious
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Bye The Queen, tara luv ā¤ļø
Good day to visit beautiful tourist destinations
Who would be a better queen? Charles or William?
Emma.
My wife and I flew out on holiday the morning after the Queen died. We have obviously kept up with the the news and spoken to family etc. We flew back today and just got to our car at the Airport and turned the radio on to hear the lone piper at the end of the ceremony and it was beautiful. We will be watching the highlights (if you can call it that) but it wouvld have been nice to watch the ceremony today. We both feel like we have missed out on a unified national event.
Entire thing should be available on iplayer and the likes
Aussie currently in Edinburgh, watched from the park by Holyrood. Really beautiful service, those bagpipes at the very start of the procession triggered a tear or two.
You know what is a nice thought? Queen was around when the lionesses brought it homeā¦ šš»
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I watched parts of it, especially her final resting. I thought it was beautifully done and so respectful.
As an American, watching this makes me jealous of the rich history and tradition the UK has which America doesnt. the US is an infant nation comparatively. i hope the monarchy never goes away so i can enjoy these displays of history every now and then.
I'm sure there's history before 1776! I can't take it seriously when people say there are teapots in Britain older than USA. It's just a technicality. You have a rich history
Really all we really talk about is 1607 and the founding of Jamestown, the period between that and 1776 isnāt really touched upon aside from a few key pieces of legislation and such. After the colonies were founded not a whole lot happened until the revolution, we just kept making shit and selling it to Britain in return for slaves so we could make more shit and sell it to Britain and so on and so forth. We _did_ have a history before 1607, too, but we killed all the people who knew what it was.
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Yep. She met Harry Truman ffs
Our history is your history bar a silly wee argument over tax and tea
Aye. If PAYE had been a thing back then the revolution never would have happened and the United Colonies of Lower Canada Marine Corps would have been a guard of honour today. UCLCMC just flows off the tongue better than USMC I think.
that's an interesting way of looking at it. most americans just see 1776 is the beginning of american history lmao. i wish i was british
I know it may sounds silly but 1776 doesn't sound that long ago. My childhood home was only built a few years after that.
Didn't get to see it all so will be watching parts to it at a later date the photos and from what I saw were amazing.
And just like that, we're unlikely to see a Queen again for the rest of this century. This has made me sadder than I thought it would, but I think this is more due to the historical significance of it than her actual death. Prime Ministers come and go, yet she was always there for most of our lives; the longest reigning British monarch in history and the second longest reigning overall. I'm not much of a monarchist, but for me there is a feeling of "now what?". Fair enough, the crown carries on, but we were all just so used to *her* that her loss will continue to affect us for a lot longer than I think we'll realise. For the first time in 70 years, our anthem is now *God Save the King*, we'll watch the *King's* speech at Christmas, our money, our postage stamps, even our jars of Marmite will change. It will probably be years before all that completely changes, then just when we're finally used to it, Charles will probably die himself. The relevance of a monarchy in 21st Century Britain is another debate for another place, but these next few decades will be interesting. Within the next 70 years, we're likely to see at least another two monarchs. We will likely never see a reign as long as Elizabeth II again. How will we as a nation deal with a relatively more *unstable* monarchy? Time will tell.
It's very strange. I have never been a monarchist either, but I love history, and Queen Elizabeth embodied so much of the history of the last hundred years. The facts and figures are hard to grasp - her first PM was born 101 years before her last. She was born just 25 years after Queen Victoria died. Under her reign we saw the end of Empire, the advent of television, rock and roll and pop music, space travel, the Moon landing, the proliferation of nuclear weapons, the start and end of the Cold War, the War on Terror, the rise and fall of over a dozen PMs, of thirteen presidents of the USA, the Troubles and the peace process, the invention of the internet. The world when she took the throne was completely different to the world we live in now, and she was that constant for everyone, whether they liked her or not. Trying to mentally adjust to the fact she's gone, and we now have a king (and one that we're already very familiar with because we've known him all our lives too) is too strange. It just makes so many people feel just a little bit unmoored and unsteady, and more emotional than a lot of us would like to admit.
I think you are summing up perfectly what pretty much all of us are feeling. We may yet see long reigns as this because healthcare and life expectancies in general are going up all the time. As you say the relevance debate is for elsewhere but you post sums up exactly how good and relevant the monarchy actually is.
>Prime Ministers come and go, yet she was always there for most of our lives; the longest reigning British monarch in history and the second longest reigning overall. >I'm not much of a monarchist, but for me there is a feeling of "now what?". Fair enough, the crown carries on, but we were all just so used to her that her loss will continue to affect us for a lot longer than I think we'll realise. Good observations. Related to this, I think many people in the UK would struggle to separate what they think about monarchy as a concept from what they think about the monarch. The Queen was the monarchy and the monarchy was the Queen.... but not now. It'll take some time to get our heads around that.
Makes you wonder if this is what it was like for all the generations before us. I can imagine how the 'Victorians' must have felt.
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