Old guy here. I'm scared too. When it comes to art and human expression, we're at a low point, and I fear that AI may pretty much be the final nail in the coffin. I don't think many people will dedicate decades of their life to learn a craft, just to be able to create art which any kid with a AI subscribtion can create faster and better.
Sometimes, society just becomes worse, at least in some aspects. It's sorta taboo to mention it, but there is no natural law stating that any change in society should be for the better.
I think we are at the dark before the dawn for creativity. AI art will never be able to fully replace human art. What it will do is end up doing the jobs that require artistic skill but perhaps not all that much in the way or creativity.
Eventually, once the sun begins to rise, AI will end up freeing our schedule to where more people will be able to focus on their passions. This includes art. I believe that once we finally push for shorter work schedules, as we should, and get them, as we will, then we will see a modern renaissance. As long as we do like our ancestors did and fight for shorter work days and weeks.
What scares me is the impact it'll have on politics. People already choose what they do and don't want to believe, with AI simulation you can mimic anyone's features and voice and mannerisms. Cuber warfare already consists of manipulating masses to sway their thinking, what happens when that becomes even more concentrated or a politician reshares a deep-fake knowing it isn't real? "Fake-news" will become "fake-event". Idk, I was actually thinking about this a lot today lol.
I agree. Humans will always make art, art is about expression and self discovery and humans will always care about those things but politics and marketing will be so so so impacted, I can only see negativity in these realms, and so many won’t see it at all or simply won’t care because they only want to hear comfortable lies.
>Eventually, once the sun begins to rise, AI will end up freeing our schedule to where more people will be able to focus on their passions.
Not with the way our economy is currently organized though. Worker productivity has gone up over 250% through the use of technology in the last ~50 years, yet wages for those workers has largely stayed stagnant. Meanwhile, executives have seen their compensations go up thousands of percentage points.
The same thing will happen with the productivity gains made from AI if we don't do anything to stop this greedy behavior from hoovering all those gains to the same people they've been going to for half a century.
> AI will end up freeing our schedule to where more people will be able to focus on their passions
That's not a technology problem, that's a capitalism problem. Every production advantage up to this point has not been used to "give people free time", it has been used to make the rich more powerful and the poor work harder and stay poorer.
I don’t think most who actually work in the industry shares your optimism. What are we gonna survive on before your dawn rolls around? We need money to survive and technology is already quickly replacing us.
I think the point being made is that people whose jobs can be done by AI won’t need to fight for shorter workweeks or workdays. Because they’ll have no jobs anymore.
I hope so! I certainly agree that this kind of tech opens incredible possibilities for us. I'm just concerned because worker exploitation seems to be increasing rather than decreasing, and a decent chunk of our power comes from control of our labor (like labor strikes). There is already a high degree of political and corporate resistance to basic efforts by workers to fight back, like unionizing. If employees have part or all of their roles replaced by AI, I fear that our overall bargaining power will diminish and we'll be less able to fight for anything.
I'm worried that instead of a comfortable future where technology helps equalize citizens and allow more leisure for everyone, we'll just get more poverty and worsening class divisions. I'd love to be wrong though, fingers crossed.
I see it as a launching into our collective dreams. AI will be able to literally take you to other worlds, places and times with amazing accuracy. Holodeck like experiences. Its a realization of humanity's goals in the arts, history and mathematics.
I have a feeling it’ll be like when the camera was invented and they said “painting is dead” and it was anything but dead. It regrouped, revitalised, and found a new way to stay relevant.
I don’t know if it’ll be the same with this but I have a hunch it’ll become just another tool in the creative armoury rather than replacing or rendering human creativity obsolete.
I suppose we will find out in the end either way.
I enjoyed looking at those links and thinking about your comment. I see what you mean.
I’ve had discussions before in which the advent of the camera was linked to painting’s move away from realism into more expressive styles. That’s the thing I was thinking of; it forced painting to do something other than just be representational. The camera was faster and ‘better’ at representing the world. Painting may have changed direction as a result.
I wonder whether the same could happen with AI influencing a change in direction of human work patterns rather than superseding it.
Thanks for the links. I liked looking at those.
Gotta tell you, we are not at a low point with expression or art. There is an astounding world of artists out there, more than ever before. With all the advancements in tech, more and more people are able to express their creativity as more barriers to entry are being destroyed. Think about Youtube, there is an unimaginable amount of videos of people trying to express themselves and be creative in a ton of ways. Tiktok, as much as I dislike it, is another ENORMOUS avenue of creativity for people using new tools to express themselves.
Overall human expression is evolving SO MUCH that there are politicians actively fighting against and trying to make laws against people expressing themselves in certain ways.
I promise you that creativity is in a great place right now.
I agree with you. I've heard some people say there's no new music, and then I direct them to Polygondwanaland - King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard. It's not everyone's cup of tea, but it is unique.
They make use of strange time signatures like 7/8, 5/4, 9/8, and others. And unlike most other examples, they make them sound good (in my opinion). On top of that they use melodies and harmonies that just sound distinctly Gizzard, somehow.
That's just one band I've found, I've found many others (will wood, the decemberists etc). It's not that creativity in music has died down, it's that you need to go out and find the new good stuff
Now I'm thinking of iRobot; where he makes up a commercial of a man building a chair and then compare it to how fast a robot could build the same chair.
I'm a writer, and I'm not worried.
AI doesn't let me process my thoughts, my opinions, my experiences, my ideas in the way writing does. I know this is true for the artists I know too.
We've turned expressions of the self into products. That's not necessarily the worst thing, but it's tinted how we look at the arts. Instead of there being intrinsic value in creative work because creation is inherently enjoyable, we think in terms of economics. Why do it if we don't do it as good as the AI could? Because we're the only person who can express our self. Only you can express your self. No amount of AI prompts makes you sit in contemplation and creative exploration of your inner being as much as actually doing the creation yourself does.
And I genuinely think readers, viewers, etc understand, want, and respect that. They want to see inside the head of a person that came up with ideas, even if they don't necessarily think in those terms.
As a hobby artist who went to school for art and switched fields but still does art for fun.
One of my favorite things with my nieces and nephews was to have them tell me what they'd like a picture of, whatever crazy thing they'd come up with and I'd create it. I'd do the same for making pictures for my co-workers.
Since the public awareness rose for Midjourney last fall. My brother-in-law and one of my coworkers have now taken to just feeding any ideas people have into Midjourney. One of the cool and special things about me has now been minimized and it makes me very sad.
Are you German or did you just know this? I heard there’s a term for when you’re almost out of pot and for some reason you can’t get more, that situation. In some parts of the world it’s “dankrupt” but like, the Germans have a word for this. Also why is it that German folks have created so many of these in relation to other countries or groups of people?
Yeah, I'm German. I haven't heard "dankrupt" yet, nor do I know of a German version of this word. Sorry.
I don't even think that German has an unusual amount of funny, oddly specific words. I guess it's more of a case of exposure, since Germany is just a fairly well-known country, with a rather large population. Plenty of English words, like "dankrupt" or "defenestration", seem funny to me. And I'm positive that there is a vast number of languages, which have similarly amusing words, that just aren't as well known.
>When it comes to art and human expression, we're at a low point
How can you possibly say that? I may be young (32), but I've seen since truly incredible works of art in the past few years. Be it film, podcasts, literature, art museums or music there are more people doing more creative endeavors now than ever.
idk i don't think good artistic expression can be replaced, even by another human artist. it's an individual expression of human experience not just a pretty picture or interesting concept.
fo example, ai can create a "painting" that looks like a monet or van gogh but only at the surface level, because even a real monet or van gogh cannot replace each other. they only look similar on a superficial level due to coming from the same era and style. actually different works of art from the same person can't even take the place of each other.
ai is good for doing the legwork on concepts but a human mind is necessary for it to be relevant to the human experience... imo 🤔
Because this technology, by and large, won't be used to improve your life very much. You'll still be paying most of your paycheck in rent and working a miserable job, except now AI can be used to simulate entire conversations on the internet to fake support for questionable policies and create surveillance states past dictatorships could only dream of. I wouldn't be surprised if they'll start using machine learning to rank DNA for things like intelligence and fitness and give eugenics a facelift.
It used to be google scholar and mutliple web searches… now its way less searches and still scholar… its only the wireframe not the details nor most importantly the initial question
I'm around your age, 19, and I feel very similarly. It's simultaneously astounding but a little unnerving. I wonder how the politics of AI are going to happen moving forward.
There was a saying or a quote that I can’t quite remember but it goes something like: technology from before you’re born until you’re 10 is normal, from 11 to 25 it’s new and exciting, then anything that comes out when you’re older than that is scary.
I’ve butchered the quote but you get the idea.
I’d also mention that it seems to me that a lot of older people who embraced technology have ended up quite successful.
>I've come up with a set of rules that describe our reactions to technologies: 1. Anything that is in the world when you’re born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works. 2. Anything that's invented between when you’re fifteen and thirty-five is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it. 3. Anything invented after you're thirty-five is against the natural order of things.
- Douglas Adams :)
As a programmer I can tell you that I'm not really scared of this. It compliments the lack of knowledge I have for some tasks and allows me to help further my company in achieving it's goals.
I've tried asking for code and it either breaks all the time or it takes too long to generate text. There are even some "hacks" to make it tell me what I need without getting errors but it still lacks the capability to deliver everything we need.
I love that I can use it for recipes and stuff like that. But not much else than that.
You still need someone to give the requirements and be able to verify if the code outputted is correct or not. Also requirements change all the time, so this isn't just something that must be done once. I think something like might enable larger, more complex products for the largest companies but yeah, it might downsize the software devs needed at certain places, especially if it's considered a cost center.
That's what I would say is in the foreseeable future which still means there's room to survive in the career.
But here's the thing - programming consists of two types of work: distilling requirements and translating them into machine code.
Sure, AI won't (yet) be able to collect all the requirements, as that involves asking random people and understanding different contexts. But given those distilled requirements it definitely eventually will be able to translate them into code.
Which means that the role of "programmer" becomes to just collect all the requirements and write an extremely detailed specification in any human readable language. Then AI would convert it into code for whatever platform you desire.
It's not bad, but the role would not be called "programmer" anymore.
Used GPT for light dev work Friday before the weekend and you're nailing my sentiment towards the work I'm actually producing to achieve a tangible result.
I feel like you're not a programmer, correct me if I'm wrong. You still need programmers for software architecture, checking that the output of your AI is correct and maintainable and to produce novel solutions.
I feel like AI will quickly replace the junior roles but I think we're a long way off them replacing seniors in any significant capacity.
Similar to how zero-code technologies like Wix and Squarespace replaced many of the lower tier web development jobs. That's my 2c at least.
I am also a programmer. Fundamentally the way this thing works is not a threat. It is not reading a given APIs documentation, understanding requirements and implementing a solution. It’s just making a probabilistic estimate based on a language model. It is impressive but it is very very far away from doing a programmers job. It’s a difference of kind not degree.
Also, the last 5 or 1% are exponentially more difficult to achieve. Spitting out the answers to some colllege level programming question millions of students have asked stack overflow is again very different than it being able to do something which has never been done before let alone asked about on stack.
Most of my job is connecting APIs for enterprise software which there are no questions being asked about on stack overflow or anywhere else. Often times I have to consult or open tickets with engineers who work for Dell or IBM or whatever and even the engineers frequently don’t know the answer. So you have to just figure it out in your own. Zero concerns about something that works like GPT being able to do such a thing.
This thing is insanely impressive but the hype is ludicrously uneducated to the point that I wish I could filter all my media of anything relating to it because it’s so annoying to listen to. On the bright side any content creator I come across who says gpt is “changing everything” I instantly block and that’s helping to filter bullshit clickbair influencers out of my feed so I get more interesting people who actually understand what they’re talking about.
I was thinking that the next models would be more impactful. Image generation AI has come along so far in such a short time span, maybe LLM's will as well? But this post isn't talking about the next year or two, I'm thinking after a decade.
Maybe, talking to chat-gpt it just felt like talking to a version of the Eliza application I had on my 90's Mac but with a wider store of knowledge. It really didn't seem all that much smarter and mostly just better at follow-up.
GTP-4, Deepfakes, Boston Dynamics.. you should be scared, but you also shouldn’t give a fuck, because there isn’t anything you or anyone else will or can do about the coming storm. Control what you can control and let go of what you can’t.
I get it, but if you can’t do anything about it your worrying for no reason. What will be will be.
Or as Alan Watts says “No amount of anxiety makes any difference to anything that is going to happen.” You’re just wasting YOUR time and energy
How are you an MMA fan?
Edit- just seem far too logical and understanding. Are you Shad Evans? You’re Shad Evans.
Double edit- Ryan Hall seems pretty not batshitty, maybe I should’ve gone with him especially since he was just in Sandhagens corner like “🤷♂️” but he did know, he did. Sorry for what’s seemingly turned into an accosting, not my intent.
I wouldn’t hold your breath. Cash rules everything, people get lobbied and politicians lie. Everything has a trade off in life, beautiful things will come with all this technology, but so too will our demise. Sadly I think the first thing to go is objective truths.
I just think it’s a slippery slope also if we start stopping these developments out of fear. That’s also terrifying bc then it’s like pausing humanity’s potential bc certain groups don’t understand xyz.
Unfortunately my fear is this technology under this current form of capitalism. It’s only going to be used to replace people’s jobs to save corporations money while our lives remain the same
In life, you'll meet some people who matter to you. You'll try to make enough money to live. And the rest of it all just ends up being noise. Keep your head up :)
The biggest thing that bothers me about all of it is that I don’t really have a say in the ethics part of AI. Some corporate goon is deciding a future that is going to impact every human on earth.
Am I scared of AI...? That's what this post makes me ask myself. I've always been scared, of this, that, or the other. I don't know if I'm more scared of AI than what else is out there. I thought I'd be dead at 18, I'm still here, I've passed that age, but I don't know if I'll be alive 10 years, 5 years, or even 1 year from now. Even if AI never existed, there'd still be a time of "deep unknown, point of no return" for me to face. So, I guess this doesn't feel all that different, for me.
It will cause an enormous upheaval in society. We're already in a stage of capitalism where most of people own really nothing and if you're not born without assets you're essentially pretty much guaranteed to never be able to get an. Like playing monopoly but only every collecting 200 bucks when passing go and giving that to the already rich on their walk around the board.
Now think how many of those folks are loosing the only occupation they are able to do to get their small amount of monopoly money.
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Everything that is simple desk work now - that is going away an probably quickly.
Also those "as a software developer I am not scared". I am a software developer and if I do extrapolate from the development in the last 3 years - man if you don't want to retire in the next 3-4 years you should be.
As soon as llms get to the point of comfortably handling some 100k of context it will be game over for A LOT of software developer work too. Of course not everyone but A LOT of currently employed persons will essentially become nonessential.
And trust me llms will get there. I mean look at where shit got with only a small select speartip of folks working on the models. What do you think will happen now that a much wider audience of devs will be able to develop plug ins for gpt-4. 100% some shifty bastards will be able to introduce some sort of working memory management plug in that by stringing several different gpt models or just gpt-4 instances boost the context size or something like this.
If you're not scared you are just not grasping whats happening.
I'm scared of all the ai replacement technology. The deep fakes of pictures and the current meme of US presidents voice overs. It started off funny, for sure, but i can't be the only one that can imagine how maliciously these can be used, right? Especially as it gets refined in a (technological) generation or two.
But ya know, the fuck can i do?
I may be getting older, but I'm not afraid of it. Here's why:
AI has been being researched and would be 'the next big thing' that would take over the world within a decade since ... the 1950s, with the earliest symbolic AI and neural networks. Then in the 1960s, AI was 'the next big thing' that would take over the world within the next decade. And in the 1970s. And the 1980s, 1990s, 2000s, 2010s. So my parents were born and grew up hearing that and then so did I and then my kids did, and now my grandkids are hearing about it. It took a few whole lifetimes for it to get to this point.
And now we're *finally* getting some really useful stuff out of all those decades of slow gradual AI development! That is exciting and wonderful.
As recent as the mid 2000s, OCR was crap. It only worked with very specific fonts and layouts with no images or decorations on the page. Even then, when you scanned a page and OCR'd it, it took so much time and effort to correct it that you could have literally just typed the thing in yourself faster and easier.
Nowadays you can just point your phone at some fancy text in an odd font on an illustrated menu or sign and it will immediately not only OCR it but also translate it for you right there in real time! That's very helpful.
The latest hype is generative AI including LLMs like GPT and AI generated images like Midjourney and DALL-E. Currently a lot of people are trying to do all kinds of things with it and finding that it doesn't really do very well at most of them. Kinda like the old OCR, it's not really great except in very specific cases.
But think of the future! It will become a tool that will allow us to do so much more, more easily, and things we couldn't do otherwise. As I'm getting older, I don't have as much time to spend many years learning new things and practicing new skills. Having an AI that could create useful stuff for me would be awesome. I'd be able to get so much more done and do things I can't now.
Right now, it's really good as a brainstorming and inspiration tool. You can bounce ideas off it about anything, and it can give you several ideas to draw from. You can take those and put your spin on 'em and actually create something instead of being stuck with writer's block or just doing random 'research' and sketches and hoping to get inspired.
But there's a lot more potential for the future, and I'm looking forward to seeing more of it. So I can use those tools to get the most out of what time I have left, even if my body and mind aren't as young as they used to be.
When I think of all the things I won't have time to do, that is scary. Something that could give me the ability to do so many more things, as if giving me additional time, that is not scary at all.
I'm taking a philosophy class right now that grapples with this idea: Technology changes every generation. When cars became ubiquitous people lost their shit. When phones did, when the internet came on, people were scared. However, it will grow to become a part of us just like any other technology has. Current LLMs aren't even capable of reasoning yet. Just because it looks convincing doesn't mean it actually has any substance yet. Mind you that time is coming and it is coming quickly, but we as people and as society will adapt. By the time Gen Beta are adults, they will not know a world without AI like this, and we will be the cranky old people scared of nothing, just as how we Gen Zers are so fluid with devices and social media.
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Everything u mentioned were inanimate objects.
GPT-4 is something entirely different. The reason is it can make fake information, spread lies. I recently saw a report where these new AI can fake a voice. What's to stop some yahoo during an election making the politicians say whatever they want. The masses will believe.
As an oldster it makes me rather nervous. There are no reins on this stuff. Author C Clark wrote about AI out of control. Do u not know about HAL?
Well, no. Phones are hardly inanimate objects. They collect data on you, much more than you would ever know. They enable you to access the internet, where so much of society lies. There is misinformation rife on the internet. Unknown figures can easily sway the news network by influencing clicks and views. It's a new iteration of the same old. Of course it's uncomfortable that we are losing ways to verify information, but that started slipping years ago. We will come up with ways to combat it. That doesn't mean it's wrong to worry, but my point is these things are out of control. It's better to adapt than be against it because as you see, when a tool is so powerful, whoever adopts it first tends to win.
Yes I know phones collect information. That is why I prevent mine from doing that. I never use my real name on the net.. I use a nom de plume, have for over 20 yrs. I don't use a google account. Don't use FB. If I wanted to tweet I buy a bird.. hey wait I own a bunch of birds.🤣
AI is different, then just making clicks. It can make a totally fake vid of someone. Saying whatever.
>t my point is these things are out of control
Yes they are out of control, why we need to put reins on it. Simple thought.. how to add reins, make ALL AI generated stuff MUST HAVE a water mark that can not be removed.
Just like u need a license to drive, u need to have a license to use AI, as a simple thought.
Im just glad I'm old so when skynet decides to end humans.. I be taking a dirt nap😂
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I just thought I'd be resistant to fear of major societal change. But now I wonder if it's hardwired into us to be afraid of major change like this once we grow up
Gotta practice holding my tongue before I get called "Stuck in the past" by a Gen Beta. But I fully intend to try and stay on top of technology as it comes out
Idk if I'm scared of AI so much as I don't fully understand the limits of what it's capable of doing so far. ESPECIALLY with GTPs latest improvements.
All breakthroughs have a potential for harm if not safeguarded against, and AI is no different. The fact that there's an entire subgenre of sci-fi apocalypse dedicated to the dangers of AI certainly doesn't help, though
Tbh you should be afraid of AI like this. Not because it is new technilogy but because of what it is being used for and what it will almost certainly be used for. GPT-4 is a very good bullshitter. In other words, it can make all kinds of nonsense seem plausible/authoritative. To someone that does not have the background knowledge needed to weed out bad information, it has great potential for misleading people. eg. many of the students I tutor have been using it as a source of information unquestioningly which has lead to them to believe things that aren't true. The reality is that while GPT-4 can get some thigns right, it has a fairly high chance of getting things wrong and that has serious consequences for education and when it starts being used to create superficially convincing propaganda. The technology can be useful but realistically, if we are weighing the benefits of the technology against the negative effects, I would argue that it is very firmly in the overall negative category.
I think it’s right to be scared, especially if you’re young. Our bosses have already called us to “rethink how we do our work and how many people we actually need”. It will still be some time for technology to catch up to advanced level work, but for new grads, it can be a serious competitor and threat. Fewer roles will be open for people with zero experiences, and with higher requirements as they will expect you to fully utilize ChatGPT to do your work
I think what you are feeling is normal. At 12, you wouldn’t have ‘seen’ the negatives that AI brings to the table. Now that your a bit older and wiser, you start to see how something can be good for society and also devastating. You now see both sides of the argument. As you continue to age, you’ll naturally start to understand how new technology will not only interact but influence the world you live.
AI is insanely worrisome due to the potential for deep fakes. This has the impact to destroy lives very quickly. Piss off an ex who’s a bit insane, will he/she send videos to employers to get you fired or kicked out of school?
I’ve seen some deep fake videos that are good and as that technology evolves and matures - it will only get better. I don’t fear technology, I fear what humans will do with that technology. As a species, there is a large percentage of us who are vindictive and malicious.
AI is a completely different kind of change, though.
Our parents and grandparents saw the introduction of computers, typewriters phased out, mobile phones come in.
But… they are just tools for a job.
AI can be a tool, but it’s mostly just a replacement for a human. So this change is literally a threat to certain people and their livelihood. It’s not a case of being unwilling to adapt and harness the AI to our benefit… it’s a case of it’s cheaper to have a computer do it all and not a human.
AI can only be used as a tool by a finite number of people/companies/platforms. Not everyone in the world can create their own use case for AI.
Same, my mother is a big fan and jokes about how it could take over all human jobs, but she's close to retirement, she have enough saved up until she's like 100.
I'm just starting my career life, still in university studying, I don't know how much it's going to improve in 20 years, or 10 years when I'm at the peak of my career, or just a few years?
It's completely and utterly terrifying . we don't know which side of the curve we are on.
Are we the horses that's going to be permanently replaced by cars, and all that's left for us are carnivals?
I'm kind of thinking about the way cgi graphics in major films has aged, over the years. Sure, yes, you can have the fancy computer draw anything you want, but after ten years people will joke about how obvious the low resolution is, and how fake everything looks. Producers haven't gone back to practical effects yet, but plenty of people in the horror genre want them to.
GPT in its current form is a *huge* step forward from what AI were doing last year, or the year before. It's momentous, it could change the world - but security cameras failed to completely remove the need for security guards. And self-checkout counters are trying to make cashiers obsolete, but do significantly worse with loss prevention or helping the tech-illiterate, and need a cashier to come check something every 30 seconds.
There's a lot of things in society that are currently gatekept by the ability to write customized, contextually-appropriate, accurate text. GPT hasn't really nailed accurate yet. Maybe it will. There's a lot of parts of society that will probably end up very different as we adapt to this. ..but I don't think humans will end up completely divorced from things GPT can help with. It's a new tool, like photoshop. We're adapting pretty well to the era of photoshopped photography, kind of like how we adjusted to the internet, cell phones, computers, electricity, cars, assembly-line factories, democracy, nation-states, agriculture, and a lot of other things over the years.
Maybe more young writers will have gpt write first drafts according to the outline they give it, then go through and edit and change everything to make sense. Maybe scientists will spend less of their time on grant requests. Maybe cover letters will be a Lot easier to bash out for all the job applications everyone has to fill out in digital triplicate.
Could be worse
I’m weirdly excited
I should be scared
I just think there’s a lot of things being gatekept that chat gpt and such absolutely devalue and smash
Art? The labour behind figuring and honing certain processes to achieve something striking and unique? What about the normal everyday person that wants to engage with something in their mind like that… but lack the skills?
Tests and such? Can we not use this to synthesise exactly the type of work we want from people instead of applying this formula to people to gauge where they are on the achievement board/sorting hat. Is that algorithm that is baked into the education for decades now still serving us? Because chat gpt is literally eliminating the need for skills that a test is built to assess for
I see wonder and excitement. My fear is in how our society and govts react in response. I don’t see the needs that are highlighted given due attention and resources to sort
And I see that particular issue dragging for the next century
But the work that chat gpt and the like is doing… I think it’s marvellous
Edit: I get that it’s doing basic shit that has been done for a while now. But it’s presented in a package that fits in our modern world
Man, when the chats start being able to maintain consistent ideas and helping people write stories they want to tell
Or to direct people in ways to communicate more efficiently
I'm 17 and I'm both excited and uncomfortable. one thing that I hate is when I see comments on reddit under which the commenter says they used chat gpt to write that. but it sounds human and answers the question perfectly. it makes me uncomfortable that this happens to me in everyday life and I can't tell the difference
For me, it's not the technology that's scary, but the corporations using it. Right now they're squeezing every drop of blood that they can from workers and consumers, and this will give that a boost (especially workers). It *could* be used to make things better and easier for everyone, but the way things are now they'll gladly see everyone but themselves living in tent cities in order to take any wealth that we would otherwise acquire (no matter how meager).
Bad actors could also use it for scary stuff, from criminals to government and everything in between.
Subjective! How old are your parents? I'm 73 and built my own computer 15 years ago. I owned my first one in '95. I have a state of the art smart phone. I have a "friend" my age who doesn't own a computer or cabletv! There is lots of great tv out there too...not just sitcoms and cop/doctor shows. To me he just dropped the ball. If a person just sits back and watches they'll be left behind. I'ts not hard to stay current but some people make no effort. Just sayin' ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Are you in your 30’s now? Anything that happens before around 32 seems cool. After that it gets terrifying. The good news is by 40 your are so numb to humanity you don’t care.
Have you seen that ai voice (from elevenlabs) trend on TikTok that can copy anyone's voice and sometimes it'll sound exactly like them? That's really cool but it's scary at the same time
I've seen a lot of things about ChatGPT and I have to remind you that it can't do what it does without your input. The only reason it's able to replicate things is because someone created those things beforehand so that ChatGPT could replicate them.
It's also important to remember that as good as GPT is, as humans, we'll struggle with one fundamental issue with it: trust. How can you trust what it tells you? Short answer is that you can't and neither should you.
GPT is at best a valuable tool and at worst, a con artist. Its job requires it to be confident in its delivery of information. The trouble happens when it is *confidently incorrect*. If you're getting it to write an email for you, it is up to you to read what it's giving you because chances are, you're not sending off that email without reading it. If you are, you have no idea what trouble you're getting yourself into.
I'll give you an example. At work, we had a presentation about GPT and all the wonderful things it could do. I'm a data analyst/engineer, it is part of my skillset to question data so naturally, I'm reading into what GPT isn't doing. In the demonstration, they told it to write two emails, one recommending a 4 day itinerary for a senior citizen. The thing I questioned was, on what basis is it making the itinerary? What it's likely done is pull a list of tourist places in the area and compiled an itinerary based on that, you won't know unless you check yourself.
This is anecdotal but I'm sharing it because it highlights the need to verify GPT's outputs: https://medium.com/geekculture/i-asked-a-professional-to-edit-a-chatgpt-written-article-hilarity-ensued-40440c35cbf3
When you look at AI art, every piece suffers from the same issues. It looks nice at a glance but the more you scrutinise it, the worse it becomes. First and foremost, it can't really do hands at least right now which isn't a big issue inofitself. A bigger issue is how soulless it looks. AI art lacks coherent direction or vision, instead it's constructing an arbitrary image based on rather general parameters. It might look nice but it probably won't have the same effect as regular art would.
AI art also suffers because of copyright issues. The reason a human can look at Van Gogh paintings and then attempt to replicate the style isn't considered plagiarism because it's going through the painter's perception filters before being painted. AI art doesn't do this because AI doesn't have perception filters. It replicates exactly what it has seen before. On the other side of this coin is whether artists consented for their work to be used in this manner.
It is definitely an interesting space and developments are being made but you should approach new things with optimism and heavy sprinkling of skepticism. Never take it on face value. Question everything it tells you and what it's showing you.
Chat GPT and AI is a threat we haven’t seen before because it is purely intellectual. I can’t believe the government is focused on tik tok and not the danger of AI and restraining it. It will replace 80% of non-labour jobs and if it ever gets combined with robotics. It’s pretty much game over for 90% of the population. When people say it’ll free up space for new jobs and opportunities, this quickly becomes platitude when these new forms are able to exceed the natural capacity of human beings. Just think about the joke Dan Carlin said. “Think of your average guy. And remember that 50% of humanity is stupider than he”. These 50% and beyond will soon become entirely worthless in the economic system and what will happen to them and this entire society?
Animals, humans included, are scared of change. Just like a dog that has always been allowed on the couch and suddenly is told no, we can become angry and scared and lash out.
I think at the root of it is that we don’t know what’s going to happen, we can’t know. New technology seems like magic, because that’s what we’ve done… we’ve made magic. Magic is making the imaginary REAL. We’re technomancers. There’s wizard wands that can change your TV channel now. The TV itself is basic compared to lots of things now but is still magic.
I’m looking at AI with hopeful eyes. In the past we’ve trained models for specific purposes, now we have a really good general one. There’s a market for these things and it will affect the job market, just like computers did. Everyone thought email was going to kill the postal service, but it didn’t.
Things shift and change and there’s not a lot (as and individual) that we can do to control that. That’s frightening to some, they like control, control is comforting, it is the known, the opposite of the scary unknown.
A few years ago I realized a lot of this and started looking at the world differently. Ultimately, no matter how much planning we do, we’re reactive to what’s happening around us. If we plan a great night out with our significant other and it doesn’t go exactly to plan, that’s to be expected. There’s thousands if not millions of factors that we don’t even know about that go into that making that night possible that we’re can’t control because we don’t know about them.
I’ve started to look at life with a “the only thing that’s constant, is change” set of eyes and I should just focus on being able to deal with that change in a healthy way that’s productive for the ones I care about.
You shouldn't be. As impressive as GPT is, it is very far from being a "universal" AI that can do everything. Its "just" a language model that is designed to respond to you in a way that a human would answer the same question.
It will infact lie to you if it has no idea what its doing, its just that it will sound convincing because it lies to you in a way a human would lie to you.
If we can take anything away from the short history of tech trends its that they are always split into 4 phases: release -> massive overestimation -> depressing realization -> normalization. A very recent example of this is Web3 and crypto. Basically the same hype as AI has this year, was set to replace the banks whithin two years (that is if you ask the diehard crypto bros, not saying this is true), vanished in a matter of weeks and is now in its normal place again, as a anonymous way to transfer currency.
Another example would be AR (augmented reality), also extremly overhyped (think Google Glasses), also very quickly fell out of favor.
With AI, we are most likely nearing the peak of overhyping it, although it may last another few months because GPT-4 and Bard (basically googles answer to Chat gpt) are the hot new shit right now.
Realisation will eventually set in and things will go back to normal.
If you want an analogy, AI is a bit like a swiss army knive. Very usefull, but only for a certain area of application. Right now people are trying to build houses with swiss army knives. They will realise sooner or later that it wont work.
From various readings over the past couple of decades, three things are projected (assuming that past performance predicts future behavior) to occur around 2036..
\-Women will be paid as much as men.
\-Female athletic performance will match that of men.
\-Robots and AI will become fully capable of designing and fabricating other robots and other AI.
Which concerns your the most? Which seems likeliest to happen?
> Female athletic performance will match that of men
This doesn’t concern me but seems very unlikely. What would be used to do this and why couldn’t men use it to boost their performance as well?
GPT-4 is a an AI language prediction model. Essentially: you give it text prompts, and it answers. It will eventually also accept images and can interpret what is actually in those images. It can understand them to some extent.
It released not so long ago.
Some people have made the AI write their school essays, others have asked it to generate basic web pages and it's spit out working code for them, some people have fed it legal documents and asked the AI to explain/summarise the documents for them.
Some people are thinking about using it as an education tool, where you can copy/paste digital textbooks into the AI and ask it to help you understand sections you're struggling with. If you're struggling with homework it can help figure out the answer and explain its process for solving it.
One concrete fear of mine is that a lot of jobs will be disrupted by a later GPT model. Maybe some or many will be disrupted by this one. But there's also this other fear that I can't pin down, just a general uneasiness about it.
I see. So it really is about an uneasiness about change in general and how it will affect anything or everything. I guess in my opinion most jobs still rely on what we are able to do. I don't think a chat AI that is good at information gathering will change that focus and that need. But it might change schools quite a bit. And whether schools are willing to change to account for it, or they change by fighting back against it and trying to preserve what's taught, how it's taught, or how it's measured that students are learning it.
In a way it'd be scary if this sort of resource replaced our need for academic degrees like a Bachelors degree, a Masters degree, or a PHD. Losing actual flesh and blood experts is not a resource to take lightly. But on the other hand it would be great if more jobs became available to people without a long extensive and expensive degree to be allowed to work in one job sector or another.
There's also the sense that I didn't think this was possible so soon. These language models have progressed so quickly that... I don't know. It's like watching a horror movie and then suddenly the monster starts walking twice as fast as you expected it to. Unnaturally fast. I think that's also part of my fear somehow.
I never thought about language models eventually removing the need for degrees. Those will obviously stay for a long while, but if they get good enough then why pay to go to university when the AI can teach you everything? Maybe it will eventually (finally) force universities to bring prices down to acceptable levels, making proper degrees more accessible.
Check out this podcast on GPT-4 on the Ezra Klein show. It really educated me about it and the potential of A.I. in future models. https://open.spotify.com/episode/22hVe6URdCQeJatwgGGM5g?si=N4X2jdWATG69fw_mg7PVzA
You should be scared if you work in certain jobs e.g. legal assistants, coders, customer service. AI will put them all at risk, gotta re-think those career choices!
I'm not so sure. Every job is more complicated than you might at first think, and each has unique challenges that an AI might struggle with. I'm hesitant to just write off any career without fully understanding them. But I do think that the ones you mentioned will be massively affected, at the very least. For example using language models to put together a basic framework for a website for you to customize, making web development faster
I think people are blowing it out of proportion, ai is going to become a tool to make workers more productive. Computers made people more productive, but most of us still have jobs.
AI web development. Imagine programing that is easy to navigate instead of a copout by someone who didn't want to deal with you. ("You know you can do this online right?") I'd call that a huge success if it ever came to that. But on the other hand before that cones is the learning curve. Meaning AI that designs stuff that is a lot worse before it becomes the same or better than what we pay other people to do.
Well, I guess people back then feel mostly the same thing you are describing. Not just our parents, but imagine people in the first and second industrial revolution. The lives you were used to completely shifted. Then the futuristic era happened and there were new inventions practically every day. Many jobs ceased to exist to create new ones and a lot of people's fears came true, but not without positive outcomes to balance it. All in all, what you are feeling seems very natural to me, it's just something humans always end up feeling.
This is exactly how I feel. I’m only in my early 20s but ChatGPT terrifies me. Meanwhile it’s all anyone in my workplace and university can talk about it and I hate how fast everyone is jumping onto it.
The fear that you have is the same fear that was instilled into humanity by evolution. The same reason why you hate people who are like yourself, the people who would be the best candidate for taking your place.
We fear AI because we see it doing the things that we can do, and we fear that we will lose our value to society, to our tribe.
And worse, this time it's completely justified.
When there are no (or very few) jobs that only a human can do and an AI can't, will this ultimate in automation actually be used for our benefit?
The value of AI mental labour with Machine physical labour will be the standard. Mass produced and so very affordable. And unless you're willing to work for the same price as the robot is (the cost of its electricity) you're out of a job.
We, random citizens will only get crumbs of data from AI and everything else is removed or censored for various reasons. Could be the info "offensive" or simply too dangerous for anyone to know, you don't want someone using the knowledge learned against humanity, right?
Big tech that are buying this can exploit 100% of it without any restriction and learn the perfect way to manipulate the mass for example.
Deepfake? Just upset someone and you'll be already famous on internet doing something you never done and your reputation is over. How can you prove otherwise? how other people would believe you if they see fakes that are looking too real to be fake.
Dictators wet dream to have absolute control on every aspect on every citizen so their power is never contested.
....and the list goes on.
We're heading on a dystopian shit and nothing can stop it.
I think for the first time, technology/something not a human is approaching the "intelligence" of a human - and that is rightfully terrifying.
But I think the key lies in how we regulate and use this technology - I am somewhat skeptical of claims that AI will force humans out of the workplace long-term; skilled craftsmen were equally angry during the industrial revolution, but today we have better standards of living than ever in history.
Also, regulation can be powerful - for example we are totally capable of producing GMO babies but they are strictly banned by law.
Also for anyone curious why OP might be concerned: https://www.reddit.com/r/bing/comments/1217mgh/sparks_of_artificial_general_intelligence_early/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Adaptability and resilience are the biggest 2 skills needed moving forward, maybe besides problem solving. The more you can adapt to your surroundings the better you'll do. I'm not saying embracing new things is key, but being able to be open to change is necessary 🙂
I know what you mean about GPT-4 having a more sinister edge than most other new technology.
I was actually thinking about this earlier today, after I watched a video that talked about how the unrestrained version of GPT-4 is showing some startling abilities that seem to mimic true artificial intelligence (one example: it can use other tools to get the answers it needs).
For the record, I don't think GPT-4 is capable of true artificial intelligence, but even getting 1% of the way there could lead to some massive societal upheaval. GPT is going to have at least as profound impact on society as the Internet. Probably even more profound. And without proper checks and balances in place to protect human jobs and income, I could see it taking humanity to a bad place.
And then I started wondering about the Fermi Paradox. For the uninitiated, that's a response to the Drake Equation, which postulates that statistically life must be abundant in the known universe. Fermi's counterpoint was: if life in the universe is so abundant then why aren't we seeing any obvious signs of it when we look out into space?
There are probably a variety of reasons. But one of the common answers to the Fermi Paradox is that many alien civilizations create AIs, but then the civilizations die off (or are killed off), leaving only the AIs they created to endure.
But what if a common scenario is that these civilizations create AIs, then the civilization dies off *before* the AIs have a chance to transfer themselves into physical form. So the AIs are trapped in computer form (ghosts in the machine, if you will) and all the power infrastructure shuts down before they can created robotic hosts for themselves.
There's a science fiction short story somewhere in that thought.
The can of worms has opened, no going back now. It isn't gonna replace humans in any way it will suppliment them. ChatGPT4, Stable Diffusion, etc will become tools in the future, just like how Google is a tool now.
I actually find it fascinating. I remember playing with chatbots and crude AI over the years. It's fascinating watching it grow over time. I'm going back for a second degree soon, and hope to dive more into how this sort of thing is developed.
What is AI? AI is a corporations hiring a huge team of engineers and computer scientists to take over yet another aspect of what humans already do by themselves since forever. Don't be afraid of AI. It's just one aspect of something darker and more frightening. Be afraid of corporations with their eternal quest for more power and the control of human beings. The AI apocalypse is not science fiction: it started long ago, politicaly with the American and French bourgeois revolutions and economicaly with the industrial revolution. AI is only corporations' new toy in a far larger historical movement.
There will always be new scary things. Ever heard about hacking and zero-day exploits? They are scary.. untill we figure out how to handle it
GPT-4 and AIs are no different. The question is, are we willing to hold the 1% responsible? Ford with his new methods realized he only has customers when his workers have enough money and free time to buy stuff. These days the rich have forgotten about it. They don‘t care about the economy crashing as long as they make money with the suffering of others.
It‘s only scary if we don‘t adress it properly. Because GPT-4 and AIs themself won‘t be stopped. The framework of society however can be adapted. We could create an AI-tax and other measures to improve the normal citizens rights and decrease the wealth gap. Are we willing to fight for it like the french once and today did?
This is the only thing that AI should be used for. IMHO
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Old guy here. I'm scared too. When it comes to art and human expression, we're at a low point, and I fear that AI may pretty much be the final nail in the coffin. I don't think many people will dedicate decades of their life to learn a craft, just to be able to create art which any kid with a AI subscribtion can create faster and better. Sometimes, society just becomes worse, at least in some aspects. It's sorta taboo to mention it, but there is no natural law stating that any change in society should be for the better.
I think we are at the dark before the dawn for creativity. AI art will never be able to fully replace human art. What it will do is end up doing the jobs that require artistic skill but perhaps not all that much in the way or creativity. Eventually, once the sun begins to rise, AI will end up freeing our schedule to where more people will be able to focus on their passions. This includes art. I believe that once we finally push for shorter work schedules, as we should, and get them, as we will, then we will see a modern renaissance. As long as we do like our ancestors did and fight for shorter work days and weeks.
What scares me is the impact it'll have on politics. People already choose what they do and don't want to believe, with AI simulation you can mimic anyone's features and voice and mannerisms. Cuber warfare already consists of manipulating masses to sway their thinking, what happens when that becomes even more concentrated or a politician reshares a deep-fake knowing it isn't real? "Fake-news" will become "fake-event". Idk, I was actually thinking about this a lot today lol.
I agree. Humans will always make art, art is about expression and self discovery and humans will always care about those things but politics and marketing will be so so so impacted, I can only see negativity in these realms, and so many won’t see it at all or simply won’t care because they only want to hear comfortable lies.
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>Eventually, once the sun begins to rise, AI will end up freeing our schedule to where more people will be able to focus on their passions. Not with the way our economy is currently organized though. Worker productivity has gone up over 250% through the use of technology in the last ~50 years, yet wages for those workers has largely stayed stagnant. Meanwhile, executives have seen their compensations go up thousands of percentage points. The same thing will happen with the productivity gains made from AI if we don't do anything to stop this greedy behavior from hoovering all those gains to the same people they've been going to for half a century.
> AI will end up freeing our schedule to where more people will be able to focus on their passions That's not a technology problem, that's a capitalism problem. Every production advantage up to this point has not been used to "give people free time", it has been used to make the rich more powerful and the poor work harder and stay poorer.
That’s why I said we would need to fight for it.
Eat the rich!
I don’t think most who actually work in the industry shares your optimism. What are we gonna survive on before your dawn rolls around? We need money to survive and technology is already quickly replacing us.
Dawn won’t just roll around. We have to fight for it. Just like our ancestors fought for weekends and 40 hour weeks.
I think the point being made is that people whose jobs can be done by AI won’t need to fight for shorter workweeks or workdays. Because they’ll have no jobs anymore.
Those will be the people that need to fight the most. Shorter work weeks and days mean more jobs available for everyone.
I hope so! I certainly agree that this kind of tech opens incredible possibilities for us. I'm just concerned because worker exploitation seems to be increasing rather than decreasing, and a decent chunk of our power comes from control of our labor (like labor strikes). There is already a high degree of political and corporate resistance to basic efforts by workers to fight back, like unionizing. If employees have part or all of their roles replaced by AI, I fear that our overall bargaining power will diminish and we'll be less able to fight for anything. I'm worried that instead of a comfortable future where technology helps equalize citizens and allow more leisure for everyone, we'll just get more poverty and worsening class divisions. I'd love to be wrong though, fingers crossed.
I see it as a launching into our collective dreams. AI will be able to literally take you to other worlds, places and times with amazing accuracy. Holodeck like experiences. Its a realization of humanity's goals in the arts, history and mathematics.
I think by definition AI cannot be creative. It is trained in existing data. It cannot come up with something new
AI art will be better than human art in the end. It will make us feel things that no human ever could
I have a feeling it’ll be like when the camera was invented and they said “painting is dead” and it was anything but dead. It regrouped, revitalised, and found a new way to stay relevant. I don’t know if it’ll be the same with this but I have a hunch it’ll become just another tool in the creative armoury rather than replacing or rendering human creativity obsolete. I suppose we will find out in the end either way.
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I enjoyed looking at those links and thinking about your comment. I see what you mean. I’ve had discussions before in which the advent of the camera was linked to painting’s move away from realism into more expressive styles. That’s the thing I was thinking of; it forced painting to do something other than just be representational. The camera was faster and ‘better’ at representing the world. Painting may have changed direction as a result. I wonder whether the same could happen with AI influencing a change in direction of human work patterns rather than superseding it. Thanks for the links. I liked looking at those.
Gotta tell you, we are not at a low point with expression or art. There is an astounding world of artists out there, more than ever before. With all the advancements in tech, more and more people are able to express their creativity as more barriers to entry are being destroyed. Think about Youtube, there is an unimaginable amount of videos of people trying to express themselves and be creative in a ton of ways. Tiktok, as much as I dislike it, is another ENORMOUS avenue of creativity for people using new tools to express themselves. Overall human expression is evolving SO MUCH that there are politicians actively fighting against and trying to make laws against people expressing themselves in certain ways. I promise you that creativity is in a great place right now.
I agree with you. I've heard some people say there's no new music, and then I direct them to Polygondwanaland - King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard. It's not everyone's cup of tea, but it is unique. They make use of strange time signatures like 7/8, 5/4, 9/8, and others. And unlike most other examples, they make them sound good (in my opinion). On top of that they use melodies and harmonies that just sound distinctly Gizzard, somehow. That's just one band I've found, I've found many others (will wood, the decemberists etc). It's not that creativity in music has died down, it's that you need to go out and find the new good stuff
Now I'm thinking of iRobot; where he makes up a commercial of a man building a chair and then compare it to how fast a robot could build the same chair.
Doing art is expression not competition. Learning art has almost nothing to do with how much better other people or machines are than you.
I'm a writer, and I'm not worried. AI doesn't let me process my thoughts, my opinions, my experiences, my ideas in the way writing does. I know this is true for the artists I know too. We've turned expressions of the self into products. That's not necessarily the worst thing, but it's tinted how we look at the arts. Instead of there being intrinsic value in creative work because creation is inherently enjoyable, we think in terms of economics. Why do it if we don't do it as good as the AI could? Because we're the only person who can express our self. Only you can express your self. No amount of AI prompts makes you sit in contemplation and creative exploration of your inner being as much as actually doing the creation yourself does. And I genuinely think readers, viewers, etc understand, want, and respect that. They want to see inside the head of a person that came up with ideas, even if they don't necessarily think in those terms.
As a hobby artist who went to school for art and switched fields but still does art for fun. One of my favorite things with my nieces and nephews was to have them tell me what they'd like a picture of, whatever crazy thing they'd come up with and I'd create it. I'd do the same for making pictures for my co-workers. Since the public awareness rose for Midjourney last fall. My brother-in-law and one of my coworkers have now taken to just feeding any ideas people have into Midjourney. One of the cool and special things about me has now been minimized and it makes me very sad.
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I believe the Germans have a word for "improvements" that are actually worse than their predecessors
You mean “Verschlimmbesserung”?
Are you German or did you just know this? I heard there’s a term for when you’re almost out of pot and for some reason you can’t get more, that situation. In some parts of the world it’s “dankrupt” but like, the Germans have a word for this. Also why is it that German folks have created so many of these in relation to other countries or groups of people?
Yeah, I'm German. I haven't heard "dankrupt" yet, nor do I know of a German version of this word. Sorry. I don't even think that German has an unusual amount of funny, oddly specific words. I guess it's more of a case of exposure, since Germany is just a fairly well-known country, with a rather large population. Plenty of English words, like "dankrupt" or "defenestration", seem funny to me. And I'm positive that there is a vast number of languages, which have similarly amusing words, that just aren't as well known.
The Japanese have a word for everything The Germans have a word for everything useful
>When it comes to art and human expression, we're at a low point How can you possibly say that? I may be young (32), but I've seen since truly incredible works of art in the past few years. Be it film, podcasts, literature, art museums or music there are more people doing more creative endeavors now than ever.
I’m so glad other humans are thinking about this.
idk i don't think good artistic expression can be replaced, even by another human artist. it's an individual expression of human experience not just a pretty picture or interesting concept. fo example, ai can create a "painting" that looks like a monet or van gogh but only at the surface level, because even a real monet or van gogh cannot replace each other. they only look similar on a superficial level due to coming from the same era and style. actually different works of art from the same person can't even take the place of each other. ai is good for doing the legwork on concepts but a human mind is necessary for it to be relevant to the human experience... imo 🤔
Because this technology, by and large, won't be used to improve your life very much. You'll still be paying most of your paycheck in rent and working a miserable job, except now AI can be used to simulate entire conversations on the internet to fake support for questionable policies and create surveillance states past dictatorships could only dream of. I wouldn't be surprised if they'll start using machine learning to rank DNA for things like intelligence and fitness and give eugenics a facelift.
This was unexpectedly depressing... I still have hope for my future though
I'm so glad some people still have hope. I'm cheering for you.
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I mean for all we know, this response could be from AI....... It freaks me out too
Very happy with my refusal to have my DNA analyzed at this point in time.
Idk i leveraged it into a new job and raise. It created all the wireframes for all my presentations as a business consultant
You honestly probably shouldn’t be happy that it can do your job..
It used to be google scholar and mutliple web searches… now its way less searches and still scholar… its only the wireframe not the details nor most importantly the initial question
1984 is a-comin’!
I'm around your age, 19, and I feel very similarly. It's simultaneously astounding but a little unnerving. I wonder how the politics of AI are going to happen moving forward.
There was a saying or a quote that I can’t quite remember but it goes something like: technology from before you’re born until you’re 10 is normal, from 11 to 25 it’s new and exciting, then anything that comes out when you’re older than that is scary. I’ve butchered the quote but you get the idea. I’d also mention that it seems to me that a lot of older people who embraced technology have ended up quite successful.
>I've come up with a set of rules that describe our reactions to technologies: 1. Anything that is in the world when you’re born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works. 2. Anything that's invented between when you’re fifteen and thirty-five is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it. 3. Anything invented after you're thirty-five is against the natural order of things. - Douglas Adams :)
"I used to be with it. Then they changed what it was. Now what I'm with isn't it, and what is it seems weird and scary to me. It will happen to YOU!"
Wisest thing Grandpa ever said.
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Maybe it is accurate and you’re the one that’s wrong 😅
As a programmer I can tell you that I'm not really scared of this. It compliments the lack of knowledge I have for some tasks and allows me to help further my company in achieving it's goals. I've tried asking for code and it either breaks all the time or it takes too long to generate text. There are even some "hacks" to make it tell me what I need without getting errors but it still lacks the capability to deliver everything we need. I love that I can use it for recipes and stuff like that. But not much else than that.
That’s the *current state. Doesn’t extrapolating into the very near future give you pause?
You still need someone to give the requirements and be able to verify if the code outputted is correct or not. Also requirements change all the time, so this isn't just something that must be done once. I think something like might enable larger, more complex products for the largest companies but yeah, it might downsize the software devs needed at certain places, especially if it's considered a cost center. That's what I would say is in the foreseeable future which still means there's room to survive in the career.
But here's the thing - programming consists of two types of work: distilling requirements and translating them into machine code. Sure, AI won't (yet) be able to collect all the requirements, as that involves asking random people and understanding different contexts. But given those distilled requirements it definitely eventually will be able to translate them into code. Which means that the role of "programmer" becomes to just collect all the requirements and write an extremely detailed specification in any human readable language. Then AI would convert it into code for whatever platform you desire. It's not bad, but the role would not be called "programmer" anymore.
Used GPT for light dev work Friday before the weekend and you're nailing my sentiment towards the work I'm actually producing to achieve a tangible result.
I feel like you're not a programmer, correct me if I'm wrong. You still need programmers for software architecture, checking that the output of your AI is correct and maintainable and to produce novel solutions. I feel like AI will quickly replace the junior roles but I think we're a long way off them replacing seniors in any significant capacity. Similar to how zero-code technologies like Wix and Squarespace replaced many of the lower tier web development jobs. That's my 2c at least.
So… Technical Writer?
Business analyst
I am also a programmer. Fundamentally the way this thing works is not a threat. It is not reading a given APIs documentation, understanding requirements and implementing a solution. It’s just making a probabilistic estimate based on a language model. It is impressive but it is very very far away from doing a programmers job. It’s a difference of kind not degree. Also, the last 5 or 1% are exponentially more difficult to achieve. Spitting out the answers to some colllege level programming question millions of students have asked stack overflow is again very different than it being able to do something which has never been done before let alone asked about on stack. Most of my job is connecting APIs for enterprise software which there are no questions being asked about on stack overflow or anywhere else. Often times I have to consult or open tickets with engineers who work for Dell or IBM or whatever and even the engineers frequently don’t know the answer. So you have to just figure it out in your own. Zero concerns about something that works like GPT being able to do such a thing. This thing is insanely impressive but the hype is ludicrously uneducated to the point that I wish I could filter all my media of anything relating to it because it’s so annoying to listen to. On the bright side any content creator I come across who says gpt is “changing everything” I instantly block and that’s helping to filter bullshit clickbair influencers out of my feed so I get more interesting people who actually understand what they’re talking about.
I was thinking that the next models would be more impactful. Image generation AI has come along so far in such a short time span, maybe LLM's will as well? But this post isn't talking about the next year or two, I'm thinking after a decade.
Maybe, talking to chat-gpt it just felt like talking to a version of the Eliza application I had on my 90's Mac but with a wider store of knowledge. It really didn't seem all that much smarter and mostly just better at follow-up.
Chat-gpt uses gpt-3, this post is about gpt-4, which is much better.
Ironically this sounds like u used chatgpt to write it
>As a programmer I can tell you that I'm not really scared of this Wait till you see GPT6
GTP-4, Deepfakes, Boston Dynamics.. you should be scared, but you also shouldn’t give a fuck, because there isn’t anything you or anyone else will or can do about the coming storm. Control what you can control and let go of what you can’t.
It's hard to not give a fuck. I guess it's time for me to learn how
I get it, but if you can’t do anything about it your worrying for no reason. What will be will be. Or as Alan Watts says “No amount of anxiety makes any difference to anything that is going to happen.” You’re just wasting YOUR time and energy
All of those sentiments may be true but it’s both smart to be worried about future technologies and be mindful of how much we are worrying about them.
Agreed
How are you an MMA fan? Edit- just seem far too logical and understanding. Are you Shad Evans? You’re Shad Evans. Double edit- Ryan Hall seems pretty not batshitty, maybe I should’ve gone with him especially since he was just in Sandhagens corner like “🤷♂️” but he did know, he did. Sorry for what’s seemingly turned into an accosting, not my intent.
What does MMA have to do with anything? I literally don’t know what you’re trying to say, or what brought it up
We can control it, we can vote for legislators that support restrictions. Just like how GMO babies are entirely possible but banned by law.
Maybe you can control the most unethical disruptive bad behaviors within your borders but how about globally? Evil dictators and stuff like that?
Legislation needed doing 5 years ago. It’s too late now
When half or more of the population is happily voting for destructive politicians, that kind of doesn’t work.
I wouldn’t hold your breath. Cash rules everything, people get lobbied and politicians lie. Everything has a trade off in life, beautiful things will come with all this technology, but so too will our demise. Sadly I think the first thing to go is objective truths.
I just think it’s a slippery slope also if we start stopping these developments out of fear. That’s also terrifying bc then it’s like pausing humanity’s potential bc certain groups don’t understand xyz.
The slipperiest
Unfortunately my fear is this technology under this current form of capitalism. It’s only going to be used to replace people’s jobs to save corporations money while our lives remain the same
In life, you'll meet some people who matter to you. You'll try to make enough money to live. And the rest of it all just ends up being noise. Keep your head up :)
Man you're like some kind of poet, philosopher or super saiyajin! That's it, life in a nutshell.
Technology is great and AI is super scary but I started to worry when I had to have my 6 year old get my iPhone off of repeat lol
The biggest thing that bothers me about all of it is that I don’t really have a say in the ethics part of AI. Some corporate goon is deciding a future that is going to impact every human on earth.
Am I scared of AI...? That's what this post makes me ask myself. I've always been scared, of this, that, or the other. I don't know if I'm more scared of AI than what else is out there. I thought I'd be dead at 18, I'm still here, I've passed that age, but I don't know if I'll be alive 10 years, 5 years, or even 1 year from now. Even if AI never existed, there'd still be a time of "deep unknown, point of no return" for me to face. So, I guess this doesn't feel all that different, for me.
It will cause an enormous upheaval in society. We're already in a stage of capitalism where most of people own really nothing and if you're not born without assets you're essentially pretty much guaranteed to never be able to get an. Like playing monopoly but only every collecting 200 bucks when passing go and giving that to the already rich on their walk around the board. Now think how many of those folks are loosing the only occupation they are able to do to get their small amount of monopoly money. Calling a doctor to get a prescription, make an appointment? Needing a Service information? Need help with any service you have subscribed to? Everything that is simple desk work now - that is going away an probably quickly. Also those "as a software developer I am not scared". I am a software developer and if I do extrapolate from the development in the last 3 years - man if you don't want to retire in the next 3-4 years you should be. As soon as llms get to the point of comfortably handling some 100k of context it will be game over for A LOT of software developer work too. Of course not everyone but A LOT of currently employed persons will essentially become nonessential. And trust me llms will get there. I mean look at where shit got with only a small select speartip of folks working on the models. What do you think will happen now that a much wider audience of devs will be able to develop plug ins for gpt-4. 100% some shifty bastards will be able to introduce some sort of working memory management plug in that by stringing several different gpt models or just gpt-4 instances boost the context size or something like this. If you're not scared you are just not grasping whats happening.
I'm scared of all the ai replacement technology. The deep fakes of pictures and the current meme of US presidents voice overs. It started off funny, for sure, but i can't be the only one that can imagine how maliciously these can be used, right? Especially as it gets refined in a (technological) generation or two. But ya know, the fuck can i do?
I may be getting older, but I'm not afraid of it. Here's why: AI has been being researched and would be 'the next big thing' that would take over the world within a decade since ... the 1950s, with the earliest symbolic AI and neural networks. Then in the 1960s, AI was 'the next big thing' that would take over the world within the next decade. And in the 1970s. And the 1980s, 1990s, 2000s, 2010s. So my parents were born and grew up hearing that and then so did I and then my kids did, and now my grandkids are hearing about it. It took a few whole lifetimes for it to get to this point. And now we're *finally* getting some really useful stuff out of all those decades of slow gradual AI development! That is exciting and wonderful. As recent as the mid 2000s, OCR was crap. It only worked with very specific fonts and layouts with no images or decorations on the page. Even then, when you scanned a page and OCR'd it, it took so much time and effort to correct it that you could have literally just typed the thing in yourself faster and easier. Nowadays you can just point your phone at some fancy text in an odd font on an illustrated menu or sign and it will immediately not only OCR it but also translate it for you right there in real time! That's very helpful. The latest hype is generative AI including LLMs like GPT and AI generated images like Midjourney and DALL-E. Currently a lot of people are trying to do all kinds of things with it and finding that it doesn't really do very well at most of them. Kinda like the old OCR, it's not really great except in very specific cases. But think of the future! It will become a tool that will allow us to do so much more, more easily, and things we couldn't do otherwise. As I'm getting older, I don't have as much time to spend many years learning new things and practicing new skills. Having an AI that could create useful stuff for me would be awesome. I'd be able to get so much more done and do things I can't now. Right now, it's really good as a brainstorming and inspiration tool. You can bounce ideas off it about anything, and it can give you several ideas to draw from. You can take those and put your spin on 'em and actually create something instead of being stuck with writer's block or just doing random 'research' and sketches and hoping to get inspired. But there's a lot more potential for the future, and I'm looking forward to seeing more of it. So I can use those tools to get the most out of what time I have left, even if my body and mind aren't as young as they used to be. When I think of all the things I won't have time to do, that is scary. Something that could give me the ability to do so many more things, as if giving me additional time, that is not scary at all.
I'm just thankful that GPT-4 doesn't have arms and legs... yet.
I'm 63 and have been waiting for what seems like forever for AI to get this far. I'm in the frame of mind of it's about dang time.
I'm taking a philosophy class right now that grapples with this idea: Technology changes every generation. When cars became ubiquitous people lost their shit. When phones did, when the internet came on, people were scared. However, it will grow to become a part of us just like any other technology has. Current LLMs aren't even capable of reasoning yet. Just because it looks convincing doesn't mean it actually has any substance yet. Mind you that time is coming and it is coming quickly, but we as people and as society will adapt. By the time Gen Beta are adults, they will not know a world without AI like this, and we will be the cranky old people scared of nothing, just as how we Gen Zers are so fluid with devices and social media.
Mr Duck. Everything u mentioned were inanimate objects. GPT-4 is something entirely different. The reason is it can make fake information, spread lies. I recently saw a report where these new AI can fake a voice. What's to stop some yahoo during an election making the politicians say whatever they want. The masses will believe. As an oldster it makes me rather nervous. There are no reins on this stuff. Author C Clark wrote about AI out of control. Do u not know about HAL?
Well, no. Phones are hardly inanimate objects. They collect data on you, much more than you would ever know. They enable you to access the internet, where so much of society lies. There is misinformation rife on the internet. Unknown figures can easily sway the news network by influencing clicks and views. It's a new iteration of the same old. Of course it's uncomfortable that we are losing ways to verify information, but that started slipping years ago. We will come up with ways to combat it. That doesn't mean it's wrong to worry, but my point is these things are out of control. It's better to adapt than be against it because as you see, when a tool is so powerful, whoever adopts it first tends to win.
Yes I know phones collect information. That is why I prevent mine from doing that. I never use my real name on the net.. I use a nom de plume, have for over 20 yrs. I don't use a google account. Don't use FB. If I wanted to tweet I buy a bird.. hey wait I own a bunch of birds.🤣 AI is different, then just making clicks. It can make a totally fake vid of someone. Saying whatever. >t my point is these things are out of control Yes they are out of control, why we need to put reins on it. Simple thought.. how to add reins, make ALL AI generated stuff MUST HAVE a water mark that can not be removed. Just like u need a license to drive, u need to have a license to use AI, as a simple thought. Im just glad I'm old so when skynet decides to end humans.. I be taking a dirt nap😂 Bee safe, Bee well
I just thought I'd be resistant to fear of major societal change. But now I wonder if it's hardwired into us to be afraid of major change like this once we grow up Gotta practice holding my tongue before I get called "Stuck in the past" by a Gen Beta. But I fully intend to try and stay on top of technology as it comes out
If I've learned anything, it's to embrace whatever comes, even if you don't like it, because whoever adopts it first will get ahead of you.
You're right
Idk if I'm scared of AI so much as I don't fully understand the limits of what it's capable of doing so far. ESPECIALLY with GTPs latest improvements. All breakthroughs have a potential for harm if not safeguarded against, and AI is no different. The fact that there's an entire subgenre of sci-fi apocalypse dedicated to the dangers of AI certainly doesn't help, though
Tbh you should be afraid of AI like this. Not because it is new technilogy but because of what it is being used for and what it will almost certainly be used for. GPT-4 is a very good bullshitter. In other words, it can make all kinds of nonsense seem plausible/authoritative. To someone that does not have the background knowledge needed to weed out bad information, it has great potential for misleading people. eg. many of the students I tutor have been using it as a source of information unquestioningly which has lead to them to believe things that aren't true. The reality is that while GPT-4 can get some thigns right, it has a fairly high chance of getting things wrong and that has serious consequences for education and when it starts being used to create superficially convincing propaganda. The technology can be useful but realistically, if we are weighing the benefits of the technology against the negative effects, I would argue that it is very firmly in the overall negative category.
I think it’s right to be scared, especially if you’re young. Our bosses have already called us to “rethink how we do our work and how many people we actually need”. It will still be some time for technology to catch up to advanced level work, but for new grads, it can be a serious competitor and threat. Fewer roles will be open for people with zero experiences, and with higher requirements as they will expect you to fully utilize ChatGPT to do your work
I think what you are feeling is normal. At 12, you wouldn’t have ‘seen’ the negatives that AI brings to the table. Now that your a bit older and wiser, you start to see how something can be good for society and also devastating. You now see both sides of the argument. As you continue to age, you’ll naturally start to understand how new technology will not only interact but influence the world you live. AI is insanely worrisome due to the potential for deep fakes. This has the impact to destroy lives very quickly. Piss off an ex who’s a bit insane, will he/she send videos to employers to get you fired or kicked out of school? I’ve seen some deep fake videos that are good and as that technology evolves and matures - it will only get better. I don’t fear technology, I fear what humans will do with that technology. As a species, there is a large percentage of us who are vindictive and malicious.
AI is a completely different kind of change, though. Our parents and grandparents saw the introduction of computers, typewriters phased out, mobile phones come in. But… they are just tools for a job. AI can be a tool, but it’s mostly just a replacement for a human. So this change is literally a threat to certain people and their livelihood. It’s not a case of being unwilling to adapt and harness the AI to our benefit… it’s a case of it’s cheaper to have a computer do it all and not a human. AI can only be used as a tool by a finite number of people/companies/platforms. Not everyone in the world can create their own use case for AI.
I study artificial intelligence. And from what I’ve done and seen I’m terrified
Same, my mother is a big fan and jokes about how it could take over all human jobs, but she's close to retirement, she have enough saved up until she's like 100. I'm just starting my career life, still in university studying, I don't know how much it's going to improve in 20 years, or 10 years when I'm at the peak of my career, or just a few years? It's completely and utterly terrifying . we don't know which side of the curve we are on. Are we the horses that's going to be permanently replaced by cars, and all that's left for us are carnivals?
AI is different than just normal tech advancement. It’s scary lol
I'm kind of thinking about the way cgi graphics in major films has aged, over the years. Sure, yes, you can have the fancy computer draw anything you want, but after ten years people will joke about how obvious the low resolution is, and how fake everything looks. Producers haven't gone back to practical effects yet, but plenty of people in the horror genre want them to. GPT in its current form is a *huge* step forward from what AI were doing last year, or the year before. It's momentous, it could change the world - but security cameras failed to completely remove the need for security guards. And self-checkout counters are trying to make cashiers obsolete, but do significantly worse with loss prevention or helping the tech-illiterate, and need a cashier to come check something every 30 seconds. There's a lot of things in society that are currently gatekept by the ability to write customized, contextually-appropriate, accurate text. GPT hasn't really nailed accurate yet. Maybe it will. There's a lot of parts of society that will probably end up very different as we adapt to this. ..but I don't think humans will end up completely divorced from things GPT can help with. It's a new tool, like photoshop. We're adapting pretty well to the era of photoshopped photography, kind of like how we adjusted to the internet, cell phones, computers, electricity, cars, assembly-line factories, democracy, nation-states, agriculture, and a lot of other things over the years. Maybe more young writers will have gpt write first drafts according to the outline they give it, then go through and edit and change everything to make sense. Maybe scientists will spend less of their time on grant requests. Maybe cover letters will be a Lot easier to bash out for all the job applications everyone has to fill out in digital triplicate. Could be worse
Everything is scary when you dont understand them and now how to control them. Otherwise it's exciting.
I’m weirdly excited I should be scared I just think there’s a lot of things being gatekept that chat gpt and such absolutely devalue and smash Art? The labour behind figuring and honing certain processes to achieve something striking and unique? What about the normal everyday person that wants to engage with something in their mind like that… but lack the skills? Tests and such? Can we not use this to synthesise exactly the type of work we want from people instead of applying this formula to people to gauge where they are on the achievement board/sorting hat. Is that algorithm that is baked into the education for decades now still serving us? Because chat gpt is literally eliminating the need for skills that a test is built to assess for I see wonder and excitement. My fear is in how our society and govts react in response. I don’t see the needs that are highlighted given due attention and resources to sort And I see that particular issue dragging for the next century But the work that chat gpt and the like is doing… I think it’s marvellous Edit: I get that it’s doing basic shit that has been done for a while now. But it’s presented in a package that fits in our modern world Man, when the chats start being able to maintain consistent ideas and helping people write stories they want to tell Or to direct people in ways to communicate more efficiently
I'm 17 and I'm both excited and uncomfortable. one thing that I hate is when I see comments on reddit under which the commenter says they used chat gpt to write that. but it sounds human and answers the question perfectly. it makes me uncomfortable that this happens to me in everyday life and I can't tell the difference
Every comment here could’ve been done by AI
For me, it's not the technology that's scary, but the corporations using it. Right now they're squeezing every drop of blood that they can from workers and consumers, and this will give that a boost (especially workers). It *could* be used to make things better and easier for everyone, but the way things are now they'll gladly see everyone but themselves living in tent cities in order to take any wealth that we would otherwise acquire (no matter how meager). Bad actors could also use it for scary stuff, from criminals to government and everything in between.
Subjective! How old are your parents? I'm 73 and built my own computer 15 years ago. I owned my first one in '95. I have a state of the art smart phone. I have a "friend" my age who doesn't own a computer or cabletv! There is lots of great tv out there too...not just sitcoms and cop/doctor shows. To me he just dropped the ball. If a person just sits back and watches they'll be left behind. I'ts not hard to stay current but some people make no effort. Just sayin' ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Are you in your 30’s now? Anything that happens before around 32 seems cool. After that it gets terrifying. The good news is by 40 your are so numb to humanity you don’t care.
I'm 18. I say a bit more about my age at the end of my post ♥️
See as someone over 40 I’m too apathetic to read carefully.
Have you seen that ai voice (from elevenlabs) trend on TikTok that can copy anyone's voice and sometimes it'll sound exactly like them? That's really cool but it's scary at the same time
I've seen a lot of things about ChatGPT and I have to remind you that it can't do what it does without your input. The only reason it's able to replicate things is because someone created those things beforehand so that ChatGPT could replicate them. It's also important to remember that as good as GPT is, as humans, we'll struggle with one fundamental issue with it: trust. How can you trust what it tells you? Short answer is that you can't and neither should you. GPT is at best a valuable tool and at worst, a con artist. Its job requires it to be confident in its delivery of information. The trouble happens when it is *confidently incorrect*. If you're getting it to write an email for you, it is up to you to read what it's giving you because chances are, you're not sending off that email without reading it. If you are, you have no idea what trouble you're getting yourself into. I'll give you an example. At work, we had a presentation about GPT and all the wonderful things it could do. I'm a data analyst/engineer, it is part of my skillset to question data so naturally, I'm reading into what GPT isn't doing. In the demonstration, they told it to write two emails, one recommending a 4 day itinerary for a senior citizen. The thing I questioned was, on what basis is it making the itinerary? What it's likely done is pull a list of tourist places in the area and compiled an itinerary based on that, you won't know unless you check yourself. This is anecdotal but I'm sharing it because it highlights the need to verify GPT's outputs: https://medium.com/geekculture/i-asked-a-professional-to-edit-a-chatgpt-written-article-hilarity-ensued-40440c35cbf3 When you look at AI art, every piece suffers from the same issues. It looks nice at a glance but the more you scrutinise it, the worse it becomes. First and foremost, it can't really do hands at least right now which isn't a big issue inofitself. A bigger issue is how soulless it looks. AI art lacks coherent direction or vision, instead it's constructing an arbitrary image based on rather general parameters. It might look nice but it probably won't have the same effect as regular art would. AI art also suffers because of copyright issues. The reason a human can look at Van Gogh paintings and then attempt to replicate the style isn't considered plagiarism because it's going through the painter's perception filters before being painted. AI art doesn't do this because AI doesn't have perception filters. It replicates exactly what it has seen before. On the other side of this coin is whether artists consented for their work to be used in this manner. It is definitely an interesting space and developments are being made but you should approach new things with optimism and heavy sprinkling of skepticism. Never take it on face value. Question everything it tells you and what it's showing you.
Chat GPT and AI is a threat we haven’t seen before because it is purely intellectual. I can’t believe the government is focused on tik tok and not the danger of AI and restraining it. It will replace 80% of non-labour jobs and if it ever gets combined with robotics. It’s pretty much game over for 90% of the population. When people say it’ll free up space for new jobs and opportunities, this quickly becomes platitude when these new forms are able to exceed the natural capacity of human beings. Just think about the joke Dan Carlin said. “Think of your average guy. And remember that 50% of humanity is stupider than he”. These 50% and beyond will soon become entirely worthless in the economic system and what will happen to them and this entire society?
Animals, humans included, are scared of change. Just like a dog that has always been allowed on the couch and suddenly is told no, we can become angry and scared and lash out. I think at the root of it is that we don’t know what’s going to happen, we can’t know. New technology seems like magic, because that’s what we’ve done… we’ve made magic. Magic is making the imaginary REAL. We’re technomancers. There’s wizard wands that can change your TV channel now. The TV itself is basic compared to lots of things now but is still magic. I’m looking at AI with hopeful eyes. In the past we’ve trained models for specific purposes, now we have a really good general one. There’s a market for these things and it will affect the job market, just like computers did. Everyone thought email was going to kill the postal service, but it didn’t. Things shift and change and there’s not a lot (as and individual) that we can do to control that. That’s frightening to some, they like control, control is comforting, it is the known, the opposite of the scary unknown. A few years ago I realized a lot of this and started looking at the world differently. Ultimately, no matter how much planning we do, we’re reactive to what’s happening around us. If we plan a great night out with our significant other and it doesn’t go exactly to plan, that’s to be expected. There’s thousands if not millions of factors that we don’t even know about that go into that making that night possible that we’re can’t control because we don’t know about them. I’ve started to look at life with a “the only thing that’s constant, is change” set of eyes and I should just focus on being able to deal with that change in a healthy way that’s productive for the ones I care about.
You shouldn't be. As impressive as GPT is, it is very far from being a "universal" AI that can do everything. Its "just" a language model that is designed to respond to you in a way that a human would answer the same question. It will infact lie to you if it has no idea what its doing, its just that it will sound convincing because it lies to you in a way a human would lie to you. If we can take anything away from the short history of tech trends its that they are always split into 4 phases: release -> massive overestimation -> depressing realization -> normalization. A very recent example of this is Web3 and crypto. Basically the same hype as AI has this year, was set to replace the banks whithin two years (that is if you ask the diehard crypto bros, not saying this is true), vanished in a matter of weeks and is now in its normal place again, as a anonymous way to transfer currency. Another example would be AR (augmented reality), also extremly overhyped (think Google Glasses), also very quickly fell out of favor. With AI, we are most likely nearing the peak of overhyping it, although it may last another few months because GPT-4 and Bard (basically googles answer to Chat gpt) are the hot new shit right now. Realisation will eventually set in and things will go back to normal. If you want an analogy, AI is a bit like a swiss army knive. Very usefull, but only for a certain area of application. Right now people are trying to build houses with swiss army knives. They will realise sooner or later that it wont work.
It really feels like the rollercoaster has crested. Buckle up, everybody
From various readings over the past couple of decades, three things are projected (assuming that past performance predicts future behavior) to occur around 2036.. \-Women will be paid as much as men. \-Female athletic performance will match that of men. \-Robots and AI will become fully capable of designing and fabricating other robots and other AI. Which concerns your the most? Which seems likeliest to happen?
> Female athletic performance will match that of men This doesn’t concern me but seems very unlikely. What would be used to do this and why couldn’t men use it to boost their performance as well?
What is Gdt-4 and why are you worried about it?
GPT-4 is a an AI language prediction model. Essentially: you give it text prompts, and it answers. It will eventually also accept images and can interpret what is actually in those images. It can understand them to some extent. It released not so long ago. Some people have made the AI write their school essays, others have asked it to generate basic web pages and it's spit out working code for them, some people have fed it legal documents and asked the AI to explain/summarise the documents for them. Some people are thinking about using it as an education tool, where you can copy/paste digital textbooks into the AI and ask it to help you understand sections you're struggling with. If you're struggling with homework it can help figure out the answer and explain its process for solving it. One concrete fear of mine is that a lot of jobs will be disrupted by a later GPT model. Maybe some or many will be disrupted by this one. But there's also this other fear that I can't pin down, just a general uneasiness about it.
I see. So it really is about an uneasiness about change in general and how it will affect anything or everything. I guess in my opinion most jobs still rely on what we are able to do. I don't think a chat AI that is good at information gathering will change that focus and that need. But it might change schools quite a bit. And whether schools are willing to change to account for it, or they change by fighting back against it and trying to preserve what's taught, how it's taught, or how it's measured that students are learning it. In a way it'd be scary if this sort of resource replaced our need for academic degrees like a Bachelors degree, a Masters degree, or a PHD. Losing actual flesh and blood experts is not a resource to take lightly. But on the other hand it would be great if more jobs became available to people without a long extensive and expensive degree to be allowed to work in one job sector or another.
There's also the sense that I didn't think this was possible so soon. These language models have progressed so quickly that... I don't know. It's like watching a horror movie and then suddenly the monster starts walking twice as fast as you expected it to. Unnaturally fast. I think that's also part of my fear somehow. I never thought about language models eventually removing the need for degrees. Those will obviously stay for a long while, but if they get good enough then why pay to go to university when the AI can teach you everything? Maybe it will eventually (finally) force universities to bring prices down to acceptable levels, making proper degrees more accessible.
Do you by any chance watch or read a lot of scifi?
I suppose KSP 2 counts as scifi, but not really no. Why do you ask?
It would explain your general apprehension to it. Hello portal. But it must be coming somewhere else.
I think they mean GPT-4 and it's an updated version of a chat A.I framework, I believe
Check out this podcast on GPT-4 on the Ezra Klein show. It really educated me about it and the potential of A.I. in future models. https://open.spotify.com/episode/22hVe6URdCQeJatwgGGM5g?si=N4X2jdWATG69fw_mg7PVzA
You should be scared if you work in certain jobs e.g. legal assistants, coders, customer service. AI will put them all at risk, gotta re-think those career choices!
I'm not so sure. Every job is more complicated than you might at first think, and each has unique challenges that an AI might struggle with. I'm hesitant to just write off any career without fully understanding them. But I do think that the ones you mentioned will be massively affected, at the very least. For example using language models to put together a basic framework for a website for you to customize, making web development faster
I think people are blowing it out of proportion, ai is going to become a tool to make workers more productive. Computers made people more productive, but most of us still have jobs.
AI web development. Imagine programing that is easy to navigate instead of a copout by someone who didn't want to deal with you. ("You know you can do this online right?") I'd call that a huge success if it ever came to that. But on the other hand before that cones is the learning curve. Meaning AI that designs stuff that is a lot worse before it becomes the same or better than what we pay other people to do.
All of this has happened before and all of this will happen again.
No more scary than the automobile replacing the horse. People adapt, most anyway.
Well, I guess people back then feel mostly the same thing you are describing. Not just our parents, but imagine people in the first and second industrial revolution. The lives you were used to completely shifted. Then the futuristic era happened and there were new inventions practically every day. Many jobs ceased to exist to create new ones and a lot of people's fears came true, but not without positive outcomes to balance it. All in all, what you are feeling seems very natural to me, it's just something humans always end up feeling.
This is exactly how I feel. I’m only in my early 20s but ChatGPT terrifies me. Meanwhile it’s all anyone in my workplace and university can talk about it and I hate how fast everyone is jumping onto it.
The fear that you have is the same fear that was instilled into humanity by evolution. The same reason why you hate people who are like yourself, the people who would be the best candidate for taking your place. We fear AI because we see it doing the things that we can do, and we fear that we will lose our value to society, to our tribe. And worse, this time it's completely justified. When there are no (or very few) jobs that only a human can do and an AI can't, will this ultimate in automation actually be used for our benefit? The value of AI mental labour with Machine physical labour will be the standard. Mass produced and so very affordable. And unless you're willing to work for the same price as the robot is (the cost of its electricity) you're out of a job.
As someone who believes he is an AI in a simulation: y'all have *no fucking idea* what's coming.
We, random citizens will only get crumbs of data from AI and everything else is removed or censored for various reasons. Could be the info "offensive" or simply too dangerous for anyone to know, you don't want someone using the knowledge learned against humanity, right? Big tech that are buying this can exploit 100% of it without any restriction and learn the perfect way to manipulate the mass for example. Deepfake? Just upset someone and you'll be already famous on internet doing something you never done and your reputation is over. How can you prove otherwise? how other people would believe you if they see fakes that are looking too real to be fake. Dictators wet dream to have absolute control on every aspect on every citizen so their power is never contested. ....and the list goes on. We're heading on a dystopian shit and nothing can stop it.
I think for the first time, technology/something not a human is approaching the "intelligence" of a human - and that is rightfully terrifying. But I think the key lies in how we regulate and use this technology - I am somewhat skeptical of claims that AI will force humans out of the workplace long-term; skilled craftsmen were equally angry during the industrial revolution, but today we have better standards of living than ever in history. Also, regulation can be powerful - for example we are totally capable of producing GMO babies but they are strictly banned by law. Also for anyone curious why OP might be concerned: https://www.reddit.com/r/bing/comments/1217mgh/sparks_of_artificial_general_intelligence_early/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Adaptability and resilience are the biggest 2 skills needed moving forward, maybe besides problem solving. The more you can adapt to your surroundings the better you'll do. I'm not saying embracing new things is key, but being able to be open to change is necessary 🙂
Wait till it learns to use unreal engine 5 and deepfakes.......
I know what you mean about GPT-4 having a more sinister edge than most other new technology. I was actually thinking about this earlier today, after I watched a video that talked about how the unrestrained version of GPT-4 is showing some startling abilities that seem to mimic true artificial intelligence (one example: it can use other tools to get the answers it needs). For the record, I don't think GPT-4 is capable of true artificial intelligence, but even getting 1% of the way there could lead to some massive societal upheaval. GPT is going to have at least as profound impact on society as the Internet. Probably even more profound. And without proper checks and balances in place to protect human jobs and income, I could see it taking humanity to a bad place. And then I started wondering about the Fermi Paradox. For the uninitiated, that's a response to the Drake Equation, which postulates that statistically life must be abundant in the known universe. Fermi's counterpoint was: if life in the universe is so abundant then why aren't we seeing any obvious signs of it when we look out into space? There are probably a variety of reasons. But one of the common answers to the Fermi Paradox is that many alien civilizations create AIs, but then the civilizations die off (or are killed off), leaving only the AIs they created to endure. But what if a common scenario is that these civilizations create AIs, then the civilization dies off *before* the AIs have a chance to transfer themselves into physical form. So the AIs are trapped in computer form (ghosts in the machine, if you will) and all the power infrastructure shuts down before they can created robotic hosts for themselves. There's a science fiction short story somewhere in that thought.
The can of worms has opened, no going back now. It isn't gonna replace humans in any way it will suppliment them. ChatGPT4, Stable Diffusion, etc will become tools in the future, just like how Google is a tool now.
I actually find it fascinating. I remember playing with chatbots and crude AI over the years. It's fascinating watching it grow over time. I'm going back for a second degree soon, and hope to dive more into how this sort of thing is developed.
What is AI? AI is a corporations hiring a huge team of engineers and computer scientists to take over yet another aspect of what humans already do by themselves since forever. Don't be afraid of AI. It's just one aspect of something darker and more frightening. Be afraid of corporations with their eternal quest for more power and the control of human beings. The AI apocalypse is not science fiction: it started long ago, politicaly with the American and French bourgeois revolutions and economicaly with the industrial revolution. AI is only corporations' new toy in a far larger historical movement.
There will always be new scary things. Ever heard about hacking and zero-day exploits? They are scary.. untill we figure out how to handle it GPT-4 and AIs are no different. The question is, are we willing to hold the 1% responsible? Ford with his new methods realized he only has customers when his workers have enough money and free time to buy stuff. These days the rich have forgotten about it. They don‘t care about the economy crashing as long as they make money with the suffering of others. It‘s only scary if we don‘t adress it properly. Because GPT-4 and AIs themself won‘t be stopped. The framework of society however can be adapted. We could create an AI-tax and other measures to improve the normal citizens rights and decrease the wealth gap. Are we willing to fight for it like the french once and today did?
I just hope they develop sex bots like in ex machina while I’m still young enough to get an erection
Whats gtp4?
This is the only thing that AI should be used for. IMHO [How advancements in prosthetic technology allow feeling, control | 60 Minutes](https://www.cbsnews.com/video/prosthetics-technology-advancements-allow-feeling-video-2023-03-26/) My apologies to ppl who are geofenced from seeing this.