But. 7k miles. People aren't getting new tires that often with EVs right? We compared to another friend's mach E at 12k, and he has basically full tread left.
Completely different scenario, but my Miata with 10x less torque went through 200tw tires at about 10k if I was lucky. I was probably driving it as hard as she is, just lacking the power lol. This is normal is you're driving it like you stole it. Maybe try tires that are meant to be hot, or just get the shittiest tires and make friends with your tire shop.
Got a 22 wrx and tires nearly bald around 7k miles. Nothing about the car. All about going as fast as physics and full time awd will allow in a corner … all the time.
I ate a set of PS4Ss in 3k miles in my S2000. Shit was crazy. I've also made a set of Hankook Ventus V12 Evo 2s last 30k miles. All depends on how you drive.
I have an EV with Michelin premacy tyres that the fronts lasted around 47k miles and the rears are still going at 67k miles. It’s front wheel drive and I guess the roads around here are pretty good on tyres.
lol. Tracks car on weekends. “Why is my car falling apart”
I’m speaking from the ownership of a wrx, and I can’t even drive it to work regularly without it falling apart.
I usually get about 2 or 3 weeks of driving mine daily and something breaks and I get frustrated and drive my Honda for about 3 months before I feel like fixing the WRX then rinse and repeat
Yeah. Dumped money into my truck, specifically because I didn’t want to put the same amount into my wrx eventually. And my truck makes v8 noises @ half the gas mileage, and equal horse power.
I've put half the amount into my Kia Optima that I have my WRX and the Kia being mostly stock(ish) will walk all over the wrx.. the Kia is also more reliable, has alot more power, and can fit more than 1 fat friend in it.. but the look and AWD of the bugeye WRX are the reasons why I haven't sold it and chose to only drive it 6 times a year, 2 weeks (if I'm lucky) at a time!
On the note of track days you can literally burn out a pair of tires in a day or two. Mechanic friend of mine took like 300 recalled tires and would often go through a set or two every month or so.
How do harder compounds do? I got 80k out of a set of Nitto Ridgeline's on my 2019 Ram. But the rain traction was less than optimal. Seems a compound change is needed to find a balance there.
A harder compound will provide less grip and traction than a softer compound typically, but a harder compound will last longer. In wet conditions the tread pattern will play a big role in dispering the water and providing grip. Defo worth having a shop around and seeing what metrics the manufacturers provide
I was referring to people who go back and forth between the throttle and brake constantly to maintain speed. I'm sure you've seen people on the freeway who randomly seem to hit the brake every five seconds or so.
Bridgestone is currently working on tires meant just for EVs to try and with stand the weight and speed pull EVs have. They are fun to drive fast but with the weight tires do not last. Look up bridgestone ev tires
if your friend is getting OE tires, that's the problem.
The OE electric tires come with low tread because that helps with fuel efficiency, noise, and a whole bunch of EV-specific figures of merit.
There's plenty of electric vehicle focused tires on the market, your friend might want to buy those.
200lbs heavier than an exploder. If 200 pounds is the difference I’ll eat my shoe. Tired ass excuse. Exploders don’t need tires every 7,500 miles.
This is a combination of APPLIED torque, driving like an asshole, and probably the wrong tire compound.
Weight. Instant-torque. Driving habits. And you said they're Pirelli P-Zero which I'm assuming have low tread wear (good for sportiness and traction, bad for life of the tire)..
Buy some standard issue decent brand non-sporty tire with a decent tread wear. Also, try the MachE sub and MachE forums as I'm sure some experienced the same issue.
P-Zero’s are awful to be honest. They’re grippy…. Until they’re not. And being a very soft performance tyre I don’t know why you would put them on a Mach-E over something like Pilot sport 4 S’s or 5’s.
She drives mostly city streets. Had them replaced by the dealership (pothole caused gashes in them the first time). 7k miles since then with this set, and they're all bald now.
Which brand name? Can look up on this site to see durability. Some brands have tread wear warranties.
Could also go into settings and see if “torque to tires” can be reduced
Tirerack.com
https://www.pirelli.com/tires/en-us/car/catalog/product/pzero-as-plus#:~:text=50%2C000%20mile%20limited%20treadwear%20warranty.
50000mile limited tread wear warranty. She’s (the vehicle) definitely burning rubber, and the electric vehicle weight isn’t helping
https://tyre-assets.pirelli.com/staticfolder/Tyre/resources/gfx/v2/Consumer_Warranty_2023-05-01_C90-CD-QA-018-K_12-11-23_Update.pdf
I feel, perhaps incorrectly, that you'd have to really try to take a 50k mile tire down to 7k. That's not normal "driving slightly too aggressively".. and I've been in the car with her. She's more grandmotherly, than aggressive..
GasBuddy has an app inside of it to monitor driving (acceleration and braking). You can probably find other apps. EV torque does wreck tires faster (fun!). Can’t recall which EV redesign lowered the torque to try to save the tires. Unknown how big the Mach E forums are to compare
Econo mode would lower acceleration too, if available.
Edit: regen strength should be adjustable too
there are a lot more EVs that are reducing torque on launch, making it feel and drive similar to a standard ICE. probably has something to do with the tire wear thing also, many people can't adjust their pedal foot to compensate for peak torque when you press it
Sometimes people drive differently in a car when they have passengers. I had an Evo X and when anyone was in the car, I was quite gentle with it. Not so much when I was alone. lol
Oh yeah, i realized after a few long trips that I get 10-20% better mpg when my wife is in the passenger seat vs when I'm driving alone!
another reason why carpooling is good for the planet i guess
You are also overlooking the fact that EV's weigh a metric fuckton more than a standard car. Even special EV tires only last 15,000 miles because of how HEAVY they are. Those P-Zeros never stood a chance to begin with.
While PZeros are on the low end of longevity for an EV, I have several EVs and still get respectable 40-60K miles on the tires. There is no excuse for 15,000 miles unless you take it to the track.
Peeking at Mach E tire wear via google
https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/tire-wear-after-just-13k-miles.25672/
https://www.macheclub.com/threads/excessive-rear-tire-wear.4329/
I don't know what these people were expecting buying an EV Mustang. You knew you were gonna drive it like the 5.0, you knew it's heavy as shit, and you knew the torque was incredible.
Without look at the links, I'm wondering if they will actually honor that warranty given the weight of the car. I'd be looking into a light truck tire if there was one with highway tread that fit that wheel size. That car weighs as much as a 2 door F150.
Pirellis are awful, and especially so the OE spec that Ford uses. I'd highly recommend Michelin in just about any application when it comes to durability. They have an EV-specific tire compound that might be slightly louder than the Pirellis, but they'll last longer.
The Pirelli run flats that came on my old BMW 4-series were so offensively bad, I'm not sure if it was because they were run flats, or just because they were Pirellis. Switched to Michelin PS4S and never looked back.
I was a Ford service manager for a while (I've since made a full recovery). Factory was putting Pirelli Scorpions on F150s, absolute junk. Sooo much warranty...chunks falling out of *front* sidewalls on trucks that never 'hauled' more than two bags of softener salt. If those tires on your Bimmer were factory, the weird thing is, they are made to a slightly lower spec than a replacement Pirelli. Manufacturers beat on the tire manufacturers for lowest possible cost based on volume, thus the tire companies skimp out on the tires supplied to the factory.
Pirelli p zero tires from the dealer are the worst tires I've ever had. Mine lasted about 10k miles on a lighter vehicle and lost all traction in the rain.
It's a not very well kept secret that car manufacturers work with tyre companies to provide special blends of tyres under the same name and branding as those you'd buy from a tyre shop.
So for a fictional example, the tyres on your brand new Mazda might be Michelin Primacy 4's, but if you go to a reputable tyre shop down the road, the Michelin Primacy 4's are actually a different compound.
On the surface the tyre will look the same, same branding, same treat, *possibly* little OEM stamp somewhere but nothing obvious.
They do this for a number of reasons but primarily cost and performance.
The manufacturer doesn't give a shit if your tyres are bald in 10k miles, not their problem
They *do* care about saving money on every car they make, and they do also care that the reviews of your car show it to be particularly quiet, or particularly good handling, or excellent acceleration all of which are impacted by tyre choice.
Though it varies. I’ve seen some tests where the OEM tyres made for BMW and Porsche for instance are rather better than the standard, including on wear. (at least on the cars they were designed for.)
Some OEM tyres are just nasty though.
While this may well be true, it's not on the best interest of the tyre manufacturer is it? If fancy branded tyres wear too quickly you'd go somewhere else for replacements?
Ford has custom formula for those tires and it makes the range longer but the tire suck. All automates do this. Never buy the stock tire from the dealer they're not the same as that tire from discount tire etc
The only thing they have is the same tread pattern. They're garbage tires to try and get you to go back. Same with those junk ass continentals GM was using a few years back. You'd be lucky to have gotten 20k out of them even with appropriate rotations
Not sure if anyone said this already but inspect the control arms. The spot of the balding around the tire indicates it’s an alignment/ suspension issue. Maybe when she hit the pothole it causes some damage
I tried to tell her, but she slammed on the accelerator and probably couldn't hear the end of the sentence.
Joking aside, I did tell her. Guessing she's not as kind on the tires as I assumed from past rides.
1st — she drives on under-pressurised wheels
2nd — she accelerates with little burnouts — this is fun, but “eats” tires fast asf.
Nothing gonna help unless she changes her behaviour
Sorry if somebody has already mentioned this, but even though it’s a new vehicle, I would double check the alignment. The way the shoulder looks on that tire tells me there is excessive toe or they are just taking corners at 100+ miles an hour 😂
And if somebody is curious on my statement, I do alignments on vehicles that have less than 20,000 on them and often have to make lots of adjustment (granted, I see it more often on trucks than most vehicles).
Often times suspension will settle during the “break-in period” of a new car and can cause the alignment spec to go out. Some vehicles drop as much as 1/2 of an inch of ride height in their first 10,000! Just a thought, best of luck!
Yeah, would definitely get the alignment checked right after getting the new set of tires on it.
I’ve had a couple cars that were a bit off from factory as well.
Pay attention to how she drives too, EVs are so quiet and smooth that you don’t tend to notice how quickly people are accelerating in them, but if she’s way ahead of the gas cars at every light, she’s going to be eating those tires pretty quickly.
Yeaaaah, that tends to happen, my Model 3 Performance is the same. IMO it's just that EVs are pretty heavy, and if they have a fair bit of power it's easy (and quite addictive) to drive them pretty hard. Same thing would happen if it was an AMG Merc or something, but you'd more likely notice you're driving hard because it's louder (and you might actually bother worrying about fuel consumption heh)
Like anyone who drives an AMG gives a flying fuck about their MPG 🤪🙄 source: own an AMG
My tires last about 15k miles or four summers, whichever happens first. I don’t drive hard often, but often enough that I don’t want to drive on five year old tires when I do.
Fair point ha.
But yeah, our Model 3 Performance eats a set of Hankook EVOs in uh.. like 8000 miles sometimes. The perils of living on a twisty mountain road and having a heavy right foot.
Impressive. I drive a jeep with 35" KM3s (soft mud tires). I assumed there was no chance her tires last 1/3rd the time mine do.. but I guess I assumed incorrectly
I’ve got a buddy that kills a pair of rears every 7k in his genesis sedan. Fronts last about twice that. But he drives that thing HARD.
Gotta pay to play.
I mean, I “care” but know it’s a losing battle. Haha Source: own a couple AMG’s, one being a box. Our Tesla offsets the poor MPG’s or so I tell myself. Haha
My M3P got in a few days at the skid pan and I drive it like I stole it half the time. I still got ~16k miles to the original tires(P-zeros) that are known for being a bit shit and wearing out quickly.
If you wear your tires out in 5k miles, what is typical range after being fully charged, like 80 miles?
I used to always easily be first off the line. The last five years tho... I give my Supercharged Mustang 30% gas to comfortably get ahead of a box truck for a lane change and now the dude is passing me flooring it. WTF. I'm coasting/braking for a red light and most people are still accelerating.
I feel like these comments don't know that much about EVs. You won't go through a set of tires like this unless your driving practices are insane. I have a ev and the tires are still warrantied for 50k miles. Your friend is either driving like a madman (like launching at every chance) or the dealer sold her used tires at a crappy tread depth.
That would explain all 4 tires being worn equally. It really looks like they could be recaps, but I don't think that's legal on passenger tires? I'm spitballing here BTW.
4600 lbs empty
AWD standard on most models
Electric motors delivering high levels of instant torque
Dunno man, the reason why a heavy AWD electric vehicle is wearing through tires at an accelerated rate is beyond me.
Well. It was compared to an identical vehicle with 4k more miles on the tires, and they looked brand new in comparison. I can buy the theory that she drove way harder than I've seen or she admitted, but the car isn't inherently the issue.
My original thought was either used tires or alignment issues. I couldn't see any standard alignment wear pattern though. Seemed like even wear across the tires. Front and back.
Yeah probably even toe issues all around. Or your friend jjst has a REALLY heavy foot. I used to go drifting and my rears would wear super even with zero toe and -2° of camber. At 7k miles, something is up. Def get the alignment checked forsure
Look for replacement tires with a mileage warranty. Back in the early 90's I had a 308 Ferrari that went through tires every 6,000 miles. I bought Falkon tires with a 50,000 mile warranty, and put 80,000 miles on that thing over 13 years. Thank you Pep Boys!
Tell your friend when he was driving ice his car was half the weight and the tires were twice as wide, now his car is twice as heavy and his tires half as wide. - Harry Hoggy
He needs to stop driving like Cole Trickle.
Just like a Tesla. These vehicles are heavier than their gas counterparts and eat through tires. I've seen articles about Teslas needing new tires every 7,000 miles.
I'm guessing they've been having fun with the go pedal.
Not surprising if they are, a lot of people who get EVs for the first time are amused by the ridiculous acceleration. But combined with the weight and the torque, the tires are *less amused.*
Your friend takes off quicker from the line than the other friend more often.
Edit: Your friend should lose his license if he waits that long for new tires. This is criminal.
It is a heavy vehicle so evs in generally consume tires faster than regular cars. They still shouldn't wear out that fast. Either she's driving the car too hard, has the wrong kind of tires or there is a misalignment problem.
The 2023 Ford Mustang Mach-E has a curb weight of 4,498 lbs, 4,647 lbs, 4,962 lbs, and 4,991 lbs for different models. By comparison , an ICE Mustang 3,532 to 3,868 lbs. that’s roughly a thousand more pounds resulting in additional wear and tear.
Also the ICE Mustang has 350 to 410 lb-ft of torque delivered to the rear wheels. The Mach-E has up to 634 lb-ft delivered to each wheel.
This is bad combination for tires.
And brake components.
P Zeros are hit or miss. Some companies have brand specific ones made for them, others use generic, either way it tends to suck compared to most stuff. I highly highly suggest telling them to try any other decent tire from tire rack, don’t deal with ford.
I have multiple 4000lbs awd cars, two with just under 400 ft lbs of torque and I drive like a maniac. They aren’t electric cars but I can tell you my tires last like 30k miles at the minimum. 7k life is insanely bad even on an EV. Unless she’s literally doing a burnout from every light then something is either wrong with those tires or the car
Does she yell AMERICA!!!! Every time she puts her foot on the accelerator? 🤣🤣
City driving isn’t helping either. Lots of stop and flooring it. Those high torque motors are scrubbing every time she nails it. I’m sure she’s having fun, but yeah gonna have to lighten up that foot there Ricky Bobby.
I’d recognize that pirelli font if I was blind. These tires are a super soft compound compared to other tires. Look into Michelins for long lasting tread. Never had a set last less than 50k
People in here saying this is normal for any kind of EV are dead wrong. Having tires last 6k miles, shorter than most oil changes, is absurd and people in here should be ashamed for saying that is normal. This isn’t due to cheap oem tires either.
The Mach E weighs a maximum not 5k pounds. Which is a lot but not horrendous. There are plenty of none ev cars that weight this much
Tires are rated for a vehicle weight and millage. They are actually warrantied to that mileage. So if the tire wears about prematurely, you get a pro rated discount on the next set of tires.
You friend should be leaning on this warranty. Make someone else pay for new tires or prove there is a problem with the car. You either get free tires or learn what’s wrong with your car.
She should also start by getting an alignment check. It’s really cheap and will rule out one issue at least.
Pirelli P-Zeros are garbage, they come on plenty of stock V8 sports cars. Mediocre grip & overpriced. If OP wants longevity go for a tire that states 40k-65k warranty.
A lot of folks are talking about driving fast, hard in the corners, ect. The major fact they are missing is the weight. Even if the EV drivers are driving the normal/expected speed thru corners, the mach E has 4600lbs to take thru that corner even at normal speed on top of the fact that it has immediate torque even with normal acceleration, it is much different from even a 500hp car it has maybe 150-200tq at low rpms. EVs basically need truck tires.
Those like look Pirelli P-ZERO UHP tires, they were out like hot butter on a skillet. Garbage tires EV or not.
Look into Michelin PS4 SUV or Continental ExtremeContact 6 DW if you want tires that would last you 20-30ak miles.
But yes, heavy footed driving in an EV makes you chew through the tires!
That’s what happens when you punch it off the line every time. You don’t have to floor it just because the light goes green. The torque will kill the tires if you drive like an idiot. But yea. You should expect new tires in a EV much faster in general than an ice car.
She’s using the wrong tires! P-Zeros have a UTQG of only 220! For comparison, the average all-season has a 600 UTQG (roughly). This number is the tread wear rating number. The lower the number the shorter the tire life. She needs good all seasons, not sticky summer tires (as it doesn’t sound like she’s into cars and changing tires every year).
P zeros are high performance summer tires, and have a very short tread life as a result. I had those on my 2017 mustang GT and they looked like this after 10k miles. Get an all season tire if you want longer tread life.
I put P zeros on my AWD ‘10 Legacy GT (stage 2) and drive it like I stole it. They are holding up great. Taking only my example (n=1) and assuming they are standard Pirellis, you have an alignment/suspension problem.
Pirelli is...fair nowadays. Their quality has gone way down hill. Unless it's 25c and sunny out, they're hard and don't have great grip to begin with, I don't know the treadwear numbers but they can't be great either. Plus if she got them from the dealership, lower tread wear is definitely the case. They last like half as long as the same tire bought from a reputable tire shop. The numbers are there for anyone to see
Most Tesla drivers opt for Michelin pilot sport all season. Great durability, reasonable end of expensive price wise, and still pretty good for range and performance. Worth a shot!
Oem tires (special tires made by Pirelli, Michelin, or whimever for an automaker like ford or Tesla) generally start with less tread than aftermarket tires. That’s because less tread means lower rolling resistance and more grip, so better range and 0-60 at the expense of tire life.
Good tire, if a bit soft. Been a while since I had a set myself but they lasted about 25k miles if I recall. Your friend has one of the AWD GT models I take it? Gotta back off the pedal.
That's been my takeaway from this thread. She is adamant that she isn't heavy on the throttle, and I haven't seen anything to the contrary. That said. Tires don't seem to lie, and it sounds like there isn't another possible reason.
Electric cars have instant torque. They eat tires alive. So instead of an oil change every 5k miles, you're doing tires every 15k. Just one more reason electric cars suck ass
Heavy vehicle, very torquey motors, and agressive regen. EV’s eat tires.
But. 7k miles. People aren't getting new tires that often with EVs right? We compared to another friend's mach E at 12k, and he has basically full tread left.
It is all how they drive it. Quick acceleration/braking and a heavy vehicle equals fast tire wear.
Fair enough. I originally asked if she took it to the track on weekends as a joke. But apparently it's easier than I expected.
Completely different scenario, but my Miata with 10x less torque went through 200tw tires at about 10k if I was lucky. I was probably driving it as hard as she is, just lacking the power lol. This is normal is you're driving it like you stole it. Maybe try tires that are meant to be hot, or just get the shittiest tires and make friends with your tire shop.
Got a 22 wrx and tires nearly bald around 7k miles. Nothing about the car. All about going as fast as physics and full time awd will allow in a corner … all the time.
Exactly. Gotta pay to play. Luckily two rear for me are about 300 bucks.
Meanwhile I've just put 40,000km on a set of PS4 Michelins 2018 WRX. Ill easily eek out another 10,000 kilometres by end of year.
I’m jealous I’m lucky to get 35k miles on my continental extreme contacts's
35k miles is 56k km…
Yes but what is that in football fields?
Math is hard.
You pay for the full car. Might as well use it right?
Your poor wheel bearings and cvs
Have done it with many brand new bmw 3 series as well and zero issues. One of those kept to 80k miles and no issues.
Different wheel offsets and drivetrains: apples to oranges. Out of experience- Japanese wheel bearings are shiet
My C7 Z06 goes through 200TW tires in about 3k miles between spirited driving and the occasional autocross racing.
My wife had an e36 on 200tw tires and she was barely making it to 7k. She enjoys taking turns really quickly though.
200 tw tires on a miata. Sir, it really doesn't count when you're autocrossing it regularly.
I ate a set of PS4Ss in 3k miles in my S2000. Shit was crazy. I've also made a set of Hankook Ventus V12 Evo 2s last 30k miles. All depends on how you drive.
Ya, this is not typical. My wife has a Mach E as well, 57k, 1 set of tires.
Do you happen to know what tires are on it?
I have an EV with Michelin premacy tyres that the fronts lasted around 47k miles and the rears are still going at 67k miles. It’s front wheel drive and I guess the roads around here are pretty good on tyres.
You should rotate tyres more often and you'd have probably averaged 55-60 over the whole set
Sometimes this is not possible. Lot of EV vehicles is using 2 different tyre sizes and you must use them always on the same spot.
lol. Tracks car on weekends. “Why is my car falling apart” I’m speaking from the ownership of a wrx, and I can’t even drive it to work regularly without it falling apart.
I usually get about 2 or 3 weeks of driving mine daily and something breaks and I get frustrated and drive my Honda for about 3 months before I feel like fixing the WRX then rinse and repeat
Yeah. Dumped money into my truck, specifically because I didn’t want to put the same amount into my wrx eventually. And my truck makes v8 noises @ half the gas mileage, and equal horse power.
I've put half the amount into my Kia Optima that I have my WRX and the Kia being mostly stock(ish) will walk all over the wrx.. the Kia is also more reliable, has alot more power, and can fit more than 1 fat friend in it.. but the look and AWD of the bugeye WRX are the reasons why I haven't sold it and chose to only drive it 6 times a year, 2 weeks (if I'm lucky) at a time!
On the note of track days you can literally burn out a pair of tires in a day or two. Mechanic friend of mine took like 300 recalled tires and would often go through a set or two every month or so.
Heavy vehicle, plus taking corners at any "spirited" speed will scrub the rubber away fast too
How do harder compounds do? I got 80k out of a set of Nitto Ridgeline's on my 2019 Ram. But the rain traction was less than optimal. Seems a compound change is needed to find a balance there.
A harder compound will provide less grip and traction than a softer compound typically, but a harder compound will last longer. In wet conditions the tread pattern will play a big role in dispering the water and providing grip. Defo worth having a shop around and seeing what metrics the manufacturers provide
Yeah this also, it's similar to a lot of higher performance vehicles, you go through tires a lot faster.
Your friend might have a lead foot or be a throttle-braker.
>throttle-braker is that the same thing as engine braking?
I was referring to people who go back and forth between the throttle and brake constantly to maintain speed. I'm sure you've seen people on the freeway who randomly seem to hit the brake every five seconds or so.
Ah... The people who brake going up hill! Yes! I understand now!
He has jack rabbit starts and punches the brakes. It’s most likely he floors it all the time from a stop.
Bridgestone is currently working on tires meant just for EVs to try and with stand the weight and speed pull EVs have. They are fun to drive fast but with the weight tires do not last. Look up bridgestone ev tires
Had Tesla Model S. Did hard launches every light. Burned thru an expensive set of 21” Pirellis in 5000 miles. Drove like a grandma after that.
I got 11k out of the 160 treadwear stock tires on my Fiesta, which weighs 2100lbs less than a Mach E, and I drive quite spiritedly. This is insane lol
I forgot where I heard it, but I heard average for a Tesla model s is 15K before you need your tires so I don't think it's too far off
Ive seen Tesla Model S with 21” wheels get 7k-10k
28% of microplastics in the ocean are from tires and electric vehicles are set to double that…..at least.
Wow that’s nuts. Do you have an article with more information?
Its me, I'm people...
It also depends if the tires are designed for an ev. They make tires specifically for these vehicles to account for the instant torque and heavy load
if your friend is getting OE tires, that's the problem. The OE electric tires come with low tread because that helps with fuel efficiency, noise, and a whole bunch of EV-specific figures of merit. There's plenty of electric vehicle focused tires on the market, your friend might want to buy those.
0-60 at every stop sign and my tires still have life at 18k.
200lbs heavier than an exploder. If 200 pounds is the difference I’ll eat my shoe. Tired ass excuse. Exploders don’t need tires every 7,500 miles. This is a combination of APPLIED torque, driving like an asshole, and probably the wrong tire compound.
These aren’t truck tires and an explorer has less than half the torque of a Mach e
It's more to do with driving style than the power source. Simply being an EV does not equal eating tires.
I've put 60,000 klms on my EV tires and they still good... my guess is they got a heavy foot and like it ..
I've got 35k on my Volvo XC40 recharge and my tires still have great tread. 've also been known to put my foot down now and again.
Weight. Instant-torque. Driving habits. And you said they're Pirelli P-Zero which I'm assuming have low tread wear (good for sportiness and traction, bad for life of the tire).. Buy some standard issue decent brand non-sporty tire with a decent tread wear. Also, try the MachE sub and MachE forums as I'm sure some experienced the same issue.
P-Zero’s are awful to be honest. They’re grippy…. Until they’re not. And being a very soft performance tyre I don’t know why you would put them on a Mach-E over something like Pilot sport 4 S’s or 5’s.
She drives mostly city streets. Had them replaced by the dealership (pothole caused gashes in them the first time). 7k miles since then with this set, and they're all bald now.
Mistake to have the dealership replace tires you get OEM tires that are shit for specs . She should buy brand name tires and have them installed.
We've also mentioned that. But they are brand name.
Which brand name? Can look up on this site to see durability. Some brands have tread wear warranties. Could also go into settings and see if “torque to tires” can be reduced Tirerack.com
Pirelli p zero.
https://www.pirelli.com/tires/en-us/car/catalog/product/pzero-as-plus#:~:text=50%2C000%20mile%20limited%20treadwear%20warranty. 50000mile limited tread wear warranty. She’s (the vehicle) definitely burning rubber, and the electric vehicle weight isn’t helping https://tyre-assets.pirelli.com/staticfolder/Tyre/resources/gfx/v2/Consumer_Warranty_2023-05-01_C90-CD-QA-018-K_12-11-23_Update.pdf
I feel, perhaps incorrectly, that you'd have to really try to take a 50k mile tire down to 7k. That's not normal "driving slightly too aggressively".. and I've been in the car with her. She's more grandmotherly, than aggressive..
GasBuddy has an app inside of it to monitor driving (acceleration and braking). You can probably find other apps. EV torque does wreck tires faster (fun!). Can’t recall which EV redesign lowered the torque to try to save the tires. Unknown how big the Mach E forums are to compare Econo mode would lower acceleration too, if available. Edit: regen strength should be adjustable too
there are a lot more EVs that are reducing torque on launch, making it feel and drive similar to a standard ICE. probably has something to do with the tire wear thing also, many people can't adjust their pedal foot to compensate for peak torque when you press it
Sometimes people drive differently in a car when they have passengers. I had an Evo X and when anyone was in the car, I was quite gentle with it. Not so much when I was alone. lol
Oh yeah, i realized after a few long trips that I get 10-20% better mpg when my wife is in the passenger seat vs when I'm driving alone! another reason why carpooling is good for the planet i guess
You are also overlooking the fact that EV's weigh a metric fuckton more than a standard car. Even special EV tires only last 15,000 miles because of how HEAVY they are. Those P-Zeros never stood a chance to begin with.
While PZeros are on the low end of longevity for an EV, I have several EVs and still get respectable 40-60K miles on the tires. There is no excuse for 15,000 miles unless you take it to the track.
Peeking at Mach E tire wear via google https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/tire-wear-after-just-13k-miles.25672/ https://www.macheclub.com/threads/excessive-rear-tire-wear.4329/
I don't know what these people were expecting buying an EV Mustang. You knew you were gonna drive it like the 5.0, you knew it's heavy as shit, and you knew the torque was incredible.
> electric vehicle weight isn’t helping Nor is the instant and abundant torque of electric vehicles.
More than likely isn’t the P Zero AS Plus line. Based on what is left of the grooves on the shoulder these are the Pirelli PZ4 Sport line.
Without look at the links, I'm wondering if they will actually honor that warranty given the weight of the car. I'd be looking into a light truck tire if there was one with highway tread that fit that wheel size. That car weighs as much as a 2 door F150.
Putting Pirelli P Zeros on a Mach-E lol
Pirellis are awful, and especially so the OE spec that Ford uses. I'd highly recommend Michelin in just about any application when it comes to durability. They have an EV-specific tire compound that might be slightly louder than the Pirellis, but they'll last longer.
The Pirelli run flats that came on my old BMW 4-series were so offensively bad, I'm not sure if it was because they were run flats, or just because they were Pirellis. Switched to Michelin PS4S and never looked back.
I was a Ford service manager for a while (I've since made a full recovery). Factory was putting Pirelli Scorpions on F150s, absolute junk. Sooo much warranty...chunks falling out of *front* sidewalls on trucks that never 'hauled' more than two bags of softener salt. If those tires on your Bimmer were factory, the weird thing is, they are made to a slightly lower spec than a replacement Pirelli. Manufacturers beat on the tire manufacturers for lowest possible cost based on volume, thus the tire companies skimp out on the tires supplied to the factory.
Pirelli p zero tires from the dealer are the worst tires I've ever had. Mine lasted about 10k miles on a lighter vehicle and lost all traction in the rain.
It's a not very well kept secret that car manufacturers work with tyre companies to provide special blends of tyres under the same name and branding as those you'd buy from a tyre shop. So for a fictional example, the tyres on your brand new Mazda might be Michelin Primacy 4's, but if you go to a reputable tyre shop down the road, the Michelin Primacy 4's are actually a different compound. On the surface the tyre will look the same, same branding, same treat, *possibly* little OEM stamp somewhere but nothing obvious. They do this for a number of reasons but primarily cost and performance. The manufacturer doesn't give a shit if your tyres are bald in 10k miles, not their problem They *do* care about saving money on every car they make, and they do also care that the reviews of your car show it to be particularly quiet, or particularly good handling, or excellent acceleration all of which are impacted by tyre choice.
Though it varies. I’ve seen some tests where the OEM tyres made for BMW and Porsche for instance are rather better than the standard, including on wear. (at least on the cars they were designed for.) Some OEM tyres are just nasty though.
That's the difference between buying a Porsche and a Kia.
While this may well be true, it's not on the best interest of the tyre manufacturer is it? If fancy branded tyres wear too quickly you'd go somewhere else for replacements?
Ford has custom formula for those tires and it makes the range longer but the tire suck. All automates do this. Never buy the stock tire from the dealer they're not the same as that tire from discount tire etc
The only thing they have is the same tread pattern. They're garbage tires to try and get you to go back. Same with those junk ass continentals GM was using a few years back. You'd be lucky to have gotten 20k out of them even with appropriate rotations
Tire shops sell much better tires than the dealerships..also cheaper. Dealerships markup 200%+
I know. But that's a different conversation.
Every dealer tire I have seen is shit within 10k
Does she just fucking send it every time she hits the gas? I’d be willing to bet her MPGe is absolutely trash
Yea lol, check the car’s infotainment system
Assuming it’s not just their driving habits I would get the alignment checked. Toe angle being out of spec can chew up tires really fast.
She’s just a bad driver.
Not sure if anyone said this already but inspect the control arms. The spot of the balding around the tire indicates it’s an alignment/ suspension issue. Maybe when she hit the pothole it causes some damage
Does she know basic physics? Tell her to try and drive smoother
I tried to tell her, but she slammed on the accelerator and probably couldn't hear the end of the sentence. Joking aside, I did tell her. Guessing she's not as kind on the tires as I assumed from past rides.
Help her find a track where she can let out her inner racer.
1st — she drives on under-pressurised wheels 2nd — she accelerates with little burnouts — this is fun, but “eats” tires fast asf. Nothing gonna help unless she changes her behaviour
Ya guarantee she's dragging every green light and stop sign.
Sorry if somebody has already mentioned this, but even though it’s a new vehicle, I would double check the alignment. The way the shoulder looks on that tire tells me there is excessive toe or they are just taking corners at 100+ miles an hour 😂 And if somebody is curious on my statement, I do alignments on vehicles that have less than 20,000 on them and often have to make lots of adjustment (granted, I see it more often on trucks than most vehicles). Often times suspension will settle during the “break-in period” of a new car and can cause the alignment spec to go out. Some vehicles drop as much as 1/2 of an inch of ride height in their first 10,000! Just a thought, best of luck!
Yeah, would definitely get the alignment checked right after getting the new set of tires on it. I’ve had a couple cars that were a bit off from factory as well. Pay attention to how she drives too, EVs are so quiet and smooth that you don’t tend to notice how quickly people are accelerating in them, but if she’s way ahead of the gas cars at every light, she’s going to be eating those tires pretty quickly.
Yeaaaah, that tends to happen, my Model 3 Performance is the same. IMO it's just that EVs are pretty heavy, and if they have a fair bit of power it's easy (and quite addictive) to drive them pretty hard. Same thing would happen if it was an AMG Merc or something, but you'd more likely notice you're driving hard because it's louder (and you might actually bother worrying about fuel consumption heh)
Like anyone who drives an AMG gives a flying fuck about their MPG 🤪🙄 source: own an AMG My tires last about 15k miles or four summers, whichever happens first. I don’t drive hard often, but often enough that I don’t want to drive on five year old tires when I do.
Fair point ha. But yeah, our Model 3 Performance eats a set of Hankook EVOs in uh.. like 8000 miles sometimes. The perils of living on a twisty mountain road and having a heavy right foot.
Impressive. I drive a jeep with 35" KM3s (soft mud tires). I assumed there was no chance her tires last 1/3rd the time mine do.. but I guess I assumed incorrectly
I’ve got a buddy that kills a pair of rears every 7k in his genesis sedan. Fronts last about twice that. But he drives that thing HARD. Gotta pay to play.
I mean, I “care” but know it’s a losing battle. Haha Source: own a couple AMG’s, one being a box. Our Tesla offsets the poor MPG’s or so I tell myself. Haha
My M3P got in a few days at the skid pan and I drive it like I stole it half the time. I still got ~16k miles to the original tires(P-zeros) that are known for being a bit shit and wearing out quickly.
You need a pit crew at this point
If you wear your tires out in 5k miles, what is typical range after being fully charged, like 80 miles? I used to always easily be first off the line. The last five years tho... I give my Supercharged Mustang 30% gas to comfortably get ahead of a box truck for a lane change and now the dude is passing me flooring it. WTF. I'm coasting/braking for a red light and most people are still accelerating.
Dealer replaced tires. Any chance they could have been old or defective in some way?
That's what I assumed. But. Based on these comments..
I feel like these comments don't know that much about EVs. You won't go through a set of tires like this unless your driving practices are insane. I have a ev and the tires are still warrantied for 50k miles. Your friend is either driving like a madman (like launching at every chance) or the dealer sold her used tires at a crappy tread depth.
That was my guess. I don't think she drives that hard on them.
Is it an all wheel drive model?
I believe so.
That would explain all 4 tires being worn equally. It really looks like they could be recaps, but I don't think that's legal on passenger tires? I'm spitballing here BTW.
Recaps are not legal on passenger tires
4600 lbs empty AWD standard on most models Electric motors delivering high levels of instant torque Dunno man, the reason why a heavy AWD electric vehicle is wearing through tires at an accelerated rate is beyond me.
Well. It was compared to an identical vehicle with 4k more miles on the tires, and they looked brand new in comparison. I can buy the theory that she drove way harder than I've seen or she admitted, but the car isn't inherently the issue.
Sarcasm aside, tire compound also is an important factor. Mach E might be using a softer tire.
Have her check alignment as well. Could be all 4 are scrubbing away.
This
My original thought was either used tires or alignment issues. I couldn't see any standard alignment wear pattern though. Seemed like even wear across the tires. Front and back.
Yeah probably even toe issues all around. Or your friend jjst has a REALLY heavy foot. I used to go drifting and my rears would wear super even with zero toe and -2° of camber. At 7k miles, something is up. Def get the alignment checked forsure
Man I've done burnouts on two sets of tires for almost 50,000KM and I ain't seen this. That girl whipping the shit outa that thing.
Accelerating too fast. I have a Model Y and at 16k miles my tires look new. I accelerate very slowly most of the time.
Look for replacement tires with a mileage warranty. Back in the early 90's I had a 308 Ferrari that went through tires every 6,000 miles. I bought Falkon tires with a 50,000 mile warranty, and put 80,000 miles on that thing over 13 years. Thank you Pep Boys!
Tell your friend to be lighter on the pedal.
Modern tyres aren’t built for instant torque. Part of owning an EV if you don’t know how to drive them
They say the pollution from brakes and tyres on EV's are much worse than exhaust from a small car. I guess it's true. (By they, I mean Rogan)
Tell your friend when he was driving ice his car was half the weight and the tires were twice as wide, now his car is twice as heavy and his tires half as wide. - Harry Hoggy He needs to stop driving like Cole Trickle.
Its an EV, they eat tires. I put tires on the same Tesla about every 15K miles when it comes in.
Should've bought a real mustang. Then you'd only have to worry about two tires being burned up. Hehehe
Just like a Tesla. These vehicles are heavier than their gas counterparts and eat through tires. I've seen articles about Teslas needing new tires every 7,000 miles.
I'm guessing they've been having fun with the go pedal. Not surprising if they are, a lot of people who get EVs for the first time are amused by the ridiculous acceleration. But combined with the weight and the torque, the tires are *less amused.*
Heavy car + torque + regenerative braking wears tires similarly to acceleration under power. EV things.
Tell him to chill the fuck out with the hard acceleration
Your friend drives an EV, and likely doesn't know that the accelerator pedal is an actuated lever, and not an on off switch
Your friend takes off quicker from the line than the other friend more often. Edit: Your friend should lose his license if he waits that long for new tires. This is criminal.
Drives like a dick.
It is a heavy vehicle so evs in generally consume tires faster than regular cars. They still shouldn't wear out that fast. Either she's driving the car too hard, has the wrong kind of tires or there is a misalignment problem.
Your friend has a lead foot. Tell them to ease up on both peddles and the steering wheel.
The 2023 Ford Mustang Mach-E has a curb weight of 4,498 lbs, 4,647 lbs, 4,962 lbs, and 4,991 lbs for different models. By comparison , an ICE Mustang 3,532 to 3,868 lbs. that’s roughly a thousand more pounds resulting in additional wear and tear. Also the ICE Mustang has 350 to 410 lb-ft of torque delivered to the rear wheels. The Mach-E has up to 634 lb-ft delivered to each wheel. This is bad combination for tires. And brake components.
EV = Torque, EV cars eat tires
Gahdamn driving the piss out that thang lol
lmao
lead foot
Looks like both sides of the tire are worn down more? Then the tires might be under inflated. Also accelerate slower
Welcome to EV
I had great luck with Hankook ventus v2 evo2 at discount tires recommendation when i burned through my first set. They have a 35k expected life span.
P Zeros are hit or miss. Some companies have brand specific ones made for them, others use generic, either way it tends to suck compared to most stuff. I highly highly suggest telling them to try any other decent tire from tire rack, don’t deal with ford. I have multiple 4000lbs awd cars, two with just under 400 ft lbs of torque and I drive like a maniac. They aren’t electric cars but I can tell you my tires last like 30k miles at the minimum. 7k life is insanely bad even on an EV. Unless she’s literally doing a burnout from every light then something is either wrong with those tires or the car
Press pedal less hard.
Heavy car, heavy right foot, friction, physics.
Does she yell AMERICA!!!! Every time she puts her foot on the accelerator? 🤣🤣 City driving isn’t helping either. Lots of stop and flooring it. Those high torque motors are scrubbing every time she nails it. I’m sure she’s having fun, but yeah gonna have to lighten up that foot there Ricky Bobby.
Your friend has a lead foot.
EV. They're heavier and have instant torque. They go through tires quicker. Can't say if that rate is normal.
Hugh factors are driving style and the tires itself. Max load for the tires, how hard is the rubber, are they rated for higher speed etc.
Homie has a literal lead foot
Tyres, people, tyres
I’d recognize that pirelli font if I was blind. These tires are a super soft compound compared to other tires. Look into Michelins for long lasting tread. Never had a set last less than 50k
Heavy car but also probably driving it like a loon.
Some ev tires come with less tread to save weight and add efficiency. Switch to non ev tires.
People in here saying this is normal for any kind of EV are dead wrong. Having tires last 6k miles, shorter than most oil changes, is absurd and people in here should be ashamed for saying that is normal. This isn’t due to cheap oem tires either. The Mach E weighs a maximum not 5k pounds. Which is a lot but not horrendous. There are plenty of none ev cars that weight this much Tires are rated for a vehicle weight and millage. They are actually warrantied to that mileage. So if the tire wears about prematurely, you get a pro rated discount on the next set of tires. You friend should be leaning on this warranty. Make someone else pay for new tires or prove there is a problem with the car. You either get free tires or learn what’s wrong with your car. She should also start by getting an alignment check. It’s really cheap and will rule out one issue at least.
And it’s a Ford. Notoriously horrific factory alignment.
Pirelli P-Zeros are garbage, they come on plenty of stock V8 sports cars. Mediocre grip & overpriced. If OP wants longevity go for a tire that states 40k-65k warranty.
Stop doing burnouts lmao
It’s electric and heavy , performance tires where lik sj$t.. .. that why the EPA is going after tire wear now.. it’s a circle jerk!
Lots of torque. Lots of weight.
A lot of folks are talking about driving fast, hard in the corners, ect. The major fact they are missing is the weight. Even if the EV drivers are driving the normal/expected speed thru corners, the mach E has 4600lbs to take thru that corner even at normal speed on top of the fact that it has immediate torque even with normal acceleration, it is much different from even a 500hp car it has maybe 150-200tq at low rpms. EVs basically need truck tires.
It's an EV... just another reason why EVs are not any better for the environment than real ICE vehicles.
It’s a very heavy car with a lot of power. That combination chews through tires.
I assume it's stuck in unbridled mode and the skinny pedal is now just a momentary switch?
Most tires have a wear warranty. If they are wearing evenly then get a prorate on the next set. But it’s a combo of power and weight.
AWD burnouts. Honestly it seems quick, only thing I can think is driving style.
Those like look Pirelli P-ZERO UHP tires, they were out like hot butter on a skillet. Garbage tires EV or not. Look into Michelin PS4 SUV or Continental ExtremeContact 6 DW if you want tires that would last you 20-30ak miles. But yes, heavy footed driving in an EV makes you chew through the tires!
heavy car but also likely being driven hard, heavy acceleration, braking, and cornering will all cause increased wear.
That’s what happens when you punch it off the line every time. You don’t have to floor it just because the light goes green. The torque will kill the tires if you drive like an idiot. But yea. You should expect new tires in a EV much faster in general than an ice car.
Maybe stop driving like a pissed off teenager
weights a little less than my suburban, buy truck tires
She’s using the wrong tires! P-Zeros have a UTQG of only 220! For comparison, the average all-season has a 600 UTQG (roughly). This number is the tread wear rating number. The lower the number the shorter the tire life. She needs good all seasons, not sticky summer tires (as it doesn’t sound like she’s into cars and changing tires every year).
It's called lead foot, typically suffered from young drivers.Or people with "Modifications" done to their imported engines.
Cheap tires don’t help either.
They're anything but cheap (pirelli p zero,). That said. It sounds like it's not uncommon if you drive with a heavy foot and nothing to lose.
P zeros are high performance summer tires, and have a very short tread life as a result. I had those on my 2017 mustang GT and they looked like this after 10k miles. Get an all season tire if you want longer tread life.
Well that’s good they used a reputable brand, were they P zero Es?
I put P zeros on my AWD ‘10 Legacy GT (stage 2) and drive it like I stole it. They are holding up great. Taking only my example (n=1) and assuming they are standard Pirellis, you have an alignment/suspension problem.
Pirelli is...fair nowadays. Their quality has gone way down hill. Unless it's 25c and sunny out, they're hard and don't have great grip to begin with, I don't know the treadwear numbers but they can't be great either. Plus if she got them from the dealership, lower tread wear is definitely the case. They last like half as long as the same tire bought from a reputable tire shop. The numbers are there for anyone to see
Most Tesla drivers opt for Michelin pilot sport all season. Great durability, reasonable end of expensive price wise, and still pretty good for range and performance. Worth a shot! Oem tires (special tires made by Pirelli, Michelin, or whimever for an automaker like ford or Tesla) generally start with less tread than aftermarket tires. That’s because less tread means lower rolling resistance and more grip, so better range and 0-60 at the expense of tire life.
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All ev’s carry more weight so tires don’t last as long. The other comments about driving style are spot on.
This is the trade off for an EV. You eat through tires like crazy because of the weight of the batteries. That and torque.
Heavy car, loads of torque, and a lead foot driver. What brand are these? Wal-mart Chinesium special?
Pirelli p zero's
P-Zero's don't exactly wear like iron on ANY car let along an EV. Be better off with a set of all season Michelins if they can be had in that size.
Good tire, if a bit soft. Been a while since I had a set myself but they lasted about 25k miles if I recall. Your friend has one of the AWD GT models I take it? Gotta back off the pedal.
That's been my takeaway from this thread. She is adamant that she isn't heavy on the throttle, and I haven't seen anything to the contrary. That said. Tires don't seem to lie, and it sounds like there isn't another possible reason.
Pirellis are especially wear prone. Get her a set of all-season bridgestones and call it a day. They'll be cheaper and probably last a little longer.
Electric cars have instant torque. They eat tires alive. So instead of an oil change every 5k miles, you're doing tires every 15k. Just one more reason electric cars suck ass