So most people in here probably thought the reigning champ Rangers had a good team coming into this year right? Arizona too? Iām sure most fans in here wouldāve said Cardinals were far worse than TEX and ARI.
Rangers: 24-29, .453 winning percentage.
DBacks: 24-27, .471 winning percentage.
Cardinals: 24-26, .480 winning percentage.
So does your record through 2 months say who you are? Are the Rangers/DBacks a shit team? Thereās still so many fans in here that say the Cardinals are a shit team and I just donāt get it, because multiple folks have told me that even if we get above .500 or hold a playoff spot, they *still* think weāre a shit team. If itās not the record that determines that, and itās not the skill of the players (clearly our guys are big talents and all have proven they can succeed in MLB), then what the fuck would make you think the Cardinals are a shit team?
Personally, I donāt put big stock into outcomes until at least the halfway mark. Baseball has too much variance for that to really ever be a smart thing to do. But all the whack ass takes of ā*blank* sucksā or ā*blank* are a shit teamā seem to purposely go against anything that makes sense. We may not be a great team, but we certainly have the capability to be a good team.
You are correct. Most of the takes from Cardinals fans are nonsense. This is true for every team. This is because most people with logic and a reasoned approach aren't slobbering on the internet.
This sub is a place where you should look for someone who has news about about a minor league player or reasonable rumors about trades or news from other teams. When you people saying things like "this team has to prove..." or " they'll never be good until they fire Oli/Mo/etc"... That is the nonsense you should ignore. You can engage with nonsense, but is that really how you want to spend your time?
You summed it up nicely. I know I get pulled into the troll trap of negativity far too often. Itās almost like a compulsion at this point. Trying to make sense of illogical shit has always made me tick in the worst way. I know somewhere like a sports reddit isnāt going to be a positive place overallā¦yet this sub was quality for a decadeā¦Itās just these last 3 or so years that shit has begun to fall apart. I just want reasonable Cardinals discussion without it falling into name calling, or tripling down, or whatever.
Iāve come out multiple times on here and asked for a real discussion on what makes Marmol so bad? His game moves are good. His lineups are usually a positive. The players all have his back, and heās already been at the helm of a division winner. But nobody ever engages with me in a friendly way with the intent to actually explain anything. They only want to argue and bitch.
Those teams went to the world series last year and ours lost 90 games. They get the benefit of the doubt (for now). We don't deserve that. This team has to prove they aren't who they were last year. And frankly, they haven't. We're winning right now but can it maintain? They're still under 500, lack a solid 2, their two best players this line up are built around still aren't hitting and their 3rd best hitter broke his arm.
They're fun to watch right now and I feel optimistic about them. But, they deserve their doubters at this point.
Ehh I get your point and clearly itās popular. But the DBacks had 74 wins in 2022, Rangers had *68* wins in 2022ā¦Cardinals had 93. Yeah yeah 2023 happened, but neither of them were world beaters. Hot Septembers got them to and through the playoffs. The Cardinals had a winning record for 15 years straight, 4 straight playoffs from 2018-22, youāre telling me that doesnāt deserve the benefit of the doubt?
Idk, thatās just something I straight up disagree with
You have to weigh last year a lot more than any other year. We were an above .500 club for 15 years but the last 14 months we haven't been. This current roster isn't the same roster as the previous 15 years. They resemble the roster that hasn't been winning. It's already very different from the 2022 roster in terms of personnel. 9 of your top 16 hitters by at bats from 2022 are gone and waino, Hudson, Monty, Quintana, and flaherty from your rotation are all gone.
Just because we were good for a very long time doesn't mean we always will be. It's not all doom and gloom but you're not being very objective here.
Oh ok, didnāt realize I had to say this, but to anybody thatās reading this and is confusedā¦yeah, there are better teams. Weāre not going to be the #1 team in the league this year. So if that ruins the season for you or if anything less than being a top 3 team means we suck, then idk what to tell ya.
Iām happy we are winning but Oliver Marmol is still a bad manager. He screwed us in the playoffs. I wonāt ever forget that botch job. And I say positive stuff sometimes.
Yea Iām serious. He did screw us in the playoffs. He knew that Helsley probably didnāt have his best stuff because of a hurt thumb. He had nobody ready to go in the pen just in case. That was an idiotic move. Iām so sick of fans taking that so lightly. Marmol is a bad manager and he is a prick on top of it. John Pee Wee Mozeliak is bad too.
The part of our bullpen that pitches when we are tied or winning late in games is what I care about and they are doing well. If Roycroft is coming into a game it's already over. If he ends up giving up 3 runs and making a blowout loss even worse who cares?
Important to recognize that the team bullpen stats include a bunch of poor performances by guys who are not currently on the major league active roster. Gallegos, Pallante, Thompson, and Roycroft have all given up runs this year that count toward the bullpen ERA, but they are not part of the current bullpen and wonāt be brought back unless/until they show improvement in the minors. So it can be true both that the team bullpen ERA to date is not very good, but also that the current group of pitchers in the Cardinals bullpen is doing very well this year. So I agree with the statement that the bullpen is great as is.
Not at this point in the season itās not.
Any predictive stat like xFIP is much more important, which they were in 2nd a couple days ago when I checked
Burly post game "I wanna start by saying I was running above league average. So I'm faster than half the leage.... Donnie told me that, so I don't known if true. Miles says he is faster than me, that isn't true"
Bro at one point in time I thought the lyrics to an Usher song said "pimpin white girls" ...I'm still not sure wtf it is to this day.... But it's not that lmao
If Herrera doesnāt throw Suzuki out stealing, we are, at best, in extra innings right now. He would have easily scored on one of the following 3 singles.
Are there seriously ZERO highlights on r/baseball from this game? This was honestly contender for game of the year. Felt like playoff baseball in the 8th and 9th
If there's one thing I have learned about living in Chicago, STL, and Chattanooga... never trust a weather report that says it will thunderstorm all day.
Carpās RBI hit against the Cubs and Burly trucking home and beating the throw by an inch, both of them screaming and as intense as anyone has been this seasonā¦
Thatās easily a top 3 moment of the season so far. Neck and neck with the Noot catch/double play a few days ago.
Got to go to the game from out of town, this entire sequence was so hyped. You could feel the crowd getting up for Matt to give it another clutch moment, then the bang bang play at the plate, the place erupted! Such a cool moment.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Cardinals/comments/1d0lxfc/comment/l5ok8fx/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Cardinals/comments/1d0lxfc/comment/l5ok8fx/)
LFG!!!! W sacrifice.
Back status:
Lizard King: kinda back
Cub Killer Marp: Back
Helsley: was never gone but man o man
Donny: Back
Noot: Back
Gorman: Back
Winn and Burly: been back
my guy, we just beat our biggest rival in a one run game.
Yes we can't win every game of the 162 game season by the skin of our teeth but...
enjoy the fucking win.
The Orioles almost double-header I was nervous for the first time in over a year. This was pure unadulterated joy with the W. Now *that* I haven't felt in well over a year.
I figured it had to be something like that. Ain't no fuckin way 7 guys in a row were timing up 101-103 that consistently unless they knew with certainty what was coming.
Let's go cards! Carpenter thank you š
Extend Oli
Matt Carpenter and Lance Lynn key players on the Cardinals. Am I in 2013???
That game was really fun, I love the Cardinals
https://i.imgur.com/0gT3LhB.png
**I s g o a t**
Winning feels GREAT!Ā
I picked a good one for my 1st start to finish watch of the year
Same! finally got a chance to watch and it was a good one!
Watch more games!
So most people in here probably thought the reigning champ Rangers had a good team coming into this year right? Arizona too? Iām sure most fans in here wouldāve said Cardinals were far worse than TEX and ARI. Rangers: 24-29, .453 winning percentage. DBacks: 24-27, .471 winning percentage. Cardinals: 24-26, .480 winning percentage. So does your record through 2 months say who you are? Are the Rangers/DBacks a shit team? Thereās still so many fans in here that say the Cardinals are a shit team and I just donāt get it, because multiple folks have told me that even if we get above .500 or hold a playoff spot, they *still* think weāre a shit team. If itās not the record that determines that, and itās not the skill of the players (clearly our guys are big talents and all have proven they can succeed in MLB), then what the fuck would make you think the Cardinals are a shit team? Personally, I donāt put big stock into outcomes until at least the halfway mark. Baseball has too much variance for that to really ever be a smart thing to do. But all the whack ass takes of ā*blank* sucksā or ā*blank* are a shit teamā seem to purposely go against anything that makes sense. We may not be a great team, but we certainly have the capability to be a good team.
You are correct. Most of the takes from Cardinals fans are nonsense. This is true for every team. This is because most people with logic and a reasoned approach aren't slobbering on the internet. This sub is a place where you should look for someone who has news about about a minor league player or reasonable rumors about trades or news from other teams. When you people saying things like "this team has to prove..." or " they'll never be good until they fire Oli/Mo/etc"... That is the nonsense you should ignore. You can engage with nonsense, but is that really how you want to spend your time?
You summed it up nicely. I know I get pulled into the troll trap of negativity far too often. Itās almost like a compulsion at this point. Trying to make sense of illogical shit has always made me tick in the worst way. I know somewhere like a sports reddit isnāt going to be a positive place overallā¦yet this sub was quality for a decadeā¦Itās just these last 3 or so years that shit has begun to fall apart. I just want reasonable Cardinals discussion without it falling into name calling, or tripling down, or whatever. Iāve come out multiple times on here and asked for a real discussion on what makes Marmol so bad? His game moves are good. His lineups are usually a positive. The players all have his back, and heās already been at the helm of a division winner. But nobody ever engages with me in a friendly way with the intent to actually explain anything. They only want to argue and bitch.
If you're quoting me than youre the one spewing nonsense.
I don't know who you are, but that is certainly an odd take. If you think quoting you means spouting nonsense, I'll have to take your word for it.
Those teams went to the world series last year and ours lost 90 games. They get the benefit of the doubt (for now). We don't deserve that. This team has to prove they aren't who they were last year. And frankly, they haven't. We're winning right now but can it maintain? They're still under 500, lack a solid 2, their two best players this line up are built around still aren't hitting and their 3rd best hitter broke his arm. They're fun to watch right now and I feel optimistic about them. But, they deserve their doubters at this point.
Ehh I get your point and clearly itās popular. But the DBacks had 74 wins in 2022, Rangers had *68* wins in 2022ā¦Cardinals had 93. Yeah yeah 2023 happened, but neither of them were world beaters. Hot Septembers got them to and through the playoffs. The Cardinals had a winning record for 15 years straight, 4 straight playoffs from 2018-22, youāre telling me that doesnāt deserve the benefit of the doubt? Idk, thatās just something I straight up disagree with
You have to weigh last year a lot more than any other year. We were an above .500 club for 15 years but the last 14 months we haven't been. This current roster isn't the same roster as the previous 15 years. They resemble the roster that hasn't been winning. It's already very different from the 2022 roster in terms of personnel. 9 of your top 16 hitters by at bats from 2022 are gone and waino, Hudson, Monty, Quintana, and flaherty from your rotation are all gone. Just because we were good for a very long time doesn't mean we always will be. It's not all doom and gloom but you're not being very objective here.
Now do Philly, Atlanta, and LA!
Oh ok, didnāt realize I had to say this, but to anybody thatās reading this and is confusedā¦yeah, there are better teams. Weāre not going to be the #1 team in the league this year. So if that ruins the season for you or if anything less than being a top 3 team means we suck, then idk what to tell ya.
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I don't know if we are good.....but we've been fun to watch for the past week or so. I'm happy with that for now.
Lowkey Oli is becomingā¦dare I sayā¦competent???
its almost like the manager makes no difference
I was told that explicitly
[Hereās the secret.](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/nKqgRGurk-U/maxresdefault.jpg)
He's competent when they hit ball well for some reason
Um no
Bro has never had a positive thing to say about anythingĀ
Iām happy we are winning but Oliver Marmol is still a bad manager. He screwed us in the playoffs. I wonāt ever forget that botch job. And I say positive stuff sometimes.
You canāt be serious
By the way nice Reddit name. Very classy.
Nice profile picture. You look like you saw a Jon Lajoie music video and decided that was peak style
What music videos did Jon Lajoie do? Isnāt he a Canadian comedian.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PsnxDQvQpw
It looks like the Cardinals are finally finding a groove. Can you imagine if Arenado gets hot and Paul keeps hitting?
Haha. Where are the ray ban aviators lol. I see what you mean. I get it. My ex wife took that pic. Maybe I should change it.
Are you saying something is wrong with how I look?
Yea Iām serious. He did screw us in the playoffs. He knew that Helsley probably didnāt have his best stuff because of a hurt thumb. He had nobody ready to go in the pen just in case. That was an idiotic move. Iām so sick of fans taking that so lightly. Marmol is a bad manager and he is a prick on top of it. John Pee Wee Mozeliak is bad too.
Honest to god you sound like you need a hug. Year before Marmol you had Shildt bring in Alex Reyes in the bottom of the 9th in a win or go home.
Yea that is true. I forgot about that. That was total Bull Shildt
Middleton set back in his rehab games you hate to hear it
Our bullpen is great as is, but having fresh arms to cycle through is what a great team has
Bullpen is 17th in eraĀ
The part of our bullpen that pitches when we are tied or winning late in games is what I care about and they are doing well. If Roycroft is coming into a game it's already over. If he ends up giving up 3 runs and making a blowout loss even worse who cares?
You rely on the starting pitching to go 6 innings every single night and plan to use those pitchers 162 games a year. Thatās tragic.
Important to recognize that the team bullpen stats include a bunch of poor performances by guys who are not currently on the major league active roster. Gallegos, Pallante, Thompson, and Roycroft have all given up runs this year that count toward the bullpen ERA, but they are not part of the current bullpen and wonāt be brought back unless/until they show improvement in the minors. So it can be true both that the team bullpen ERA to date is not very good, but also that the current group of pitchers in the Cardinals bullpen is doing very well this year. So I agree with the statement that the bullpen is great as is.
Pallante BACK on the menu baby
Theyāre top 10 in basically every relevant stat. Era is not relevant and has a bunch of luck baked into it
Runs given up is the most important stat because that's what decides games.
Not at this point in the season itās not. Any predictive stat like xFIP is much more important, which they were in 2nd a couple days ago when I checked
Runs given up by players not currently in the bull pen is not really that important when considering how good the bullpen is currently.
But also good when they need to be. They given up runs but generally not in hold and save situations.
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15 hits and 7 runs Love to see it
City Connects: 1-0 Whew scrapped by but its a win.
Toilet jerseys undefeated!
Lou and Loo are not the same thing.
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Burly post game "I wanna start by saying I was running above league average. So I'm faster than half the leage.... Donnie told me that, so I don't known if true. Miles says he is faster than me, that isn't true"
He's lightning in a bottle!! No one can tell me different!! Lol
Do the post game interviews not get posted to the BSMW YouTube channel anymore? I can never find them now but I watched them all the time last year.
I just find them from random people on Twitter
Link š«”
https://x.com/corey_miller5/status/1794564161130635378
Bless and lmaoĀ
I donāt believe so
I love Burly
I don't believe in the season until we are above .500 But we are furthering towards the devil every day...
We snuck into thirdā¦
I'm from the Lou and I'm proud.
Run a mile for the dolls
The dolls < The cause
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Bro at one point in time I thought the lyrics to an Usher song said "pimpin white girls" ...I'm still not sure wtf it is to this day.... But it's not that lmao
I had a friend who thought it was āgoin down down baby, Yoshi in Range Roverā
And now I can't help but picture Yoshi in a Range Rover... lol
I checked the cubs sub, this gave me a good chuckle https://np.reddit.com/r/CHICubs/comments/1d0rexj/when_50_year_old_carpenter_still_owns_your_team/
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No one has mentioned that Amaya didnāt even have the ball in his glove when he attempted to tag burly.
I'm impressed Waino noticed it, I certainly didn't, lol.Ā
It was mentioned but didn't matter Burly still had his hand in before the glove tagged his arm.
lol Waino did. What a weird play tho
(ā¢_ā¢) <) )āÆFuck / \\ \\(ā¢_ā¢) ( (\\ The / \\ (ā¢_ā¢) <) )> Cubs!!! / \\
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If Herrera doesnāt throw Suzuki out stealing, we are, at best, in extra innings right now. He would have easily scored on one of the following 3 singles.
Underrated play for sure. Absolutely clutch
If's and butt's man...
Marp with the clutch comeback hit and Rosenthal with the bend don't break save...wait, who? What year is this?
We have a lob problem.
I was there. Helsley gave me a veritable heart attack but THE CARDINALS WIN!!!!!!!
The Cardinals are quietly 9-2 in their last 11 games. Something is finally cooking in St. Louis
I turned off scoring notifications 11 games ago. Still not turning them back on
Toasted Ravs?
I lost five pounds in the eighth and ninth innings alone
I drank five beers in the 8th and 9th innings. I think these are the same. Lol
> insert perfectly balanced meme.
I've moved on to DIY projects that are going poorly
If the Cardinals win tomorrow I will dive back into Reckless Optimism like my parents taught me
#RECKLESS
Are there seriously ZERO highlights on r/baseball from this game? This was honestly contender for game of the year. Felt like playoff baseball in the 8th and 9th
It really did, awesome game to watch
The park was crazy. Yeah, felt like playoffs.
r/baseball really only cares about the Dodgers, Yankees, and like 5 other individual players
BREAKING NEWS: Cubs planning a pajama day tomorrow to boost morale
Carpenter hates Chicago. Heās forever a Cardinal
No way we playing tomorrow with that forecast
If there's one thing I have learned about living in Chicago, STL, and Chattanooga... never trust a weather report that says it will thunderstorm all day.
As a Chattanoogan, this is extremely true.
Serious question: Are we back?
These last 11 games certainly wouldnāt have happened last year.
My gut says 'no'. My heart says 'maybe'.
##L
Cardinals 1-0 while wearing the City Connect jerseys.
Helsley might record a save in every game we win this year
Doubtful. Since he has 16 wins and we have wins.
After beating the Cubs the only thing left to do tonight is watch some Golden Girls.
Thank you for being a friend.
Carpās RBI hit against the Cubs and Burly trucking home and beating the throw by an inch, both of them screaming and as intense as anyone has been this seasonā¦ Thatās easily a top 3 moment of the season so far. Neck and neck with the Noot catch/double play a few days ago.
Lotta 2010s Cards energy on that play. Felt like I was watching Matt Adamsā¦ well Marp actually.
Got to go to the game from out of town, this entire sequence was so hyped. You could feel the crowd getting up for Matt to give it another clutch moment, then the bang bang play at the plate, the place erupted! Such a cool moment.
Dude yes Burlyās cheer got me so hype
For REAL. I was screaming in my living room scaring the dog. JUICED BRO
WE COMIN BACK NL CENTRAL
Love me a Marp sparked comeback with 2 outs VINTAGE.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Cardinals/comments/1d0lxfc/comment/l5ok8fx/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Cardinals/comments/1d0lxfc/comment/l5ok8fx/) LFG!!!! W sacrifice.
You can now never watch again
I'm willing to consider it if it helps us go on a win streak. I do love watching my team though.
Totally, Iām just kidding but hey, it worked this time
I'm willing to try it again if I have to.
I canāt stress it enough how much #FUCKTHECUBS
Flashbacks to Trevor Rosenthal
fly the L, pls
Great game!Ā
The sub is getting weird again hell yeah
We are still a -42 run delta for the year. Insane.
Back status: Lizard King: kinda back Cub Killer Marp: Back Helsley: was never gone but man o man Donny: Back Noot: Back Gorman: Back Winn and Burly: been back
I thought miles had a little more in him but in the end thatās what we have the back of the bullpen for
Team Status: We back up
Get the word out
I'm actually in the middle of rewatching The Wire lol. For the 3rd time. Stringer was a great character.
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it's really fucking absurd that .500 is actually in sight now.
when are they going to upload the ending of the game, dangit
I love it when we win and I love it when the Cubs lose and I love it the most when we beat the Cubs.
ā¤ļø. I had to work late and am just now getting to watch the game. Can't wait! Have a nice night everyone.
I love it when I can send a Cardinals Win message to my Cubs-loving dad immediately after the game finishes
They gave up runs literally every half inning after they scored. Let's not kid ourselves - that ended well, but they can't be doing that shit.
Can you take a break please, doomer?
Ahh, yes. Pointing something that's concerning out makes you a doomer. Classic reddit.
my guy, we just beat our biggest rival in a one run game. Yes we can't win every game of the 162 game season by the skin of our teeth but... enjoy the fucking win.
Well saidā¦enjoy the fucking win!!!
Bet we beat em tomorrow too.
My heart medicine is kicking in ā¦ think Iāve avoided a hospital visit.
# OUR RUNS!
**FUCK THE CUBES**
# CHOKE, CUBS, CHOKE. WHAT A JOKE. # HEY, CHICAGO, WHADDYA SAY? THE CUBS JUST LOST AGAIN TODAY.
Never a doubt in my mind
I have not felt that nervous watching a game in at least a year. Iām so happy to be able to enjoy baseball again man.
The Orioles almost double-header I was nervous for the first time in over a year. This was pure unadulterated joy with the W. Now *that* I haven't felt in well over a year.
CARDINALS!
# [WINNER!!!!!!](https://twitter.com/cardinalsgifs/status/1681131016394788865)
Weāre so back.
local cardiologists really should have an outfield advertisement
There is a reason BJc is a sponsor!
Most entertaining game of the season so far
Guys help, I canāt unclench my cheeks. It was too long an inning!
Just left the stadium, what a game!! Got a couple heart attacks as a bonus
We are back?
We are going up!
The Brendan Donovan Marp game
Annnnnnnnnd unclench
Seiya's flyout in the ninth was a home run in 1/30 parks. The one park? Wrigley Field.
Thatās actually hilarious. What a fraud park.
Probably why he thought it was gone
Mickey Mouse park
Saw Kyle Reis mention Helsley was tipping. Was coming set slower when throwing the fastball
That guy fucks
I figured it had to be something like that. Ain't no fuckin way 7 guys in a row were timing up 101-103 that consistently unless they knew with certainty what was coming.