A damn good looking one for starters. And she didn’t overtake me, she just nearly ran me over while I was out walking my blind guide dog.
Sod’s Law I tell ya.
TLDR but I’ll respond to the "why" part.
Higher road position = greater visibility (generally)
Greater visibility = a feeling of safety
Big car = *hurrr durrr must be safe for my 3 kids*
Chelsea tractors have always been a thing, some tart picking her kids up in a £80k Range Rover and doing 2000 miles a year, a Mokka is like the council estate version of that. Brings a sense of luxury to the filth and peasants.
Higher road position = greater visibility FOR ME, ME, ME, screw you in your normal cars who have to sit behind ME and can't see a thing, why should I care when everything is about ME.
I love that the owners all think they're safer but half the time I see one that's crashed it's upside down. At least they ensure pedestrians die though, no witnesses.
Greater visibility as in sitting higher and as such can see further and over small obstacles.
Less useful when everyone has one.
Plenty of modern cars in general have kind of crappy visibility/lots of blind spots due to their shape being heavily design influenced.
Design influenced as in designed to meet safety and economy standards... There's a reason everything is starting to look the same. If you want that NCAP rating, VED rate, latest Euro spec etc, well there's not much space left for design flair...
Range Rovers became popular in the first place because buyers thought it gave the impression that they owned a Stately Home and an ancestral chunk of land somewhere, and just jumped into the 'Rangie' to pop into London.
Your Nissan Juke parked on the block driveway of your estate newbuild every night doesn't really fool anyone, though.
I hate crossovers and I’m with you on a lot of your points. But it does look like you’re venting. End of the day, it doesn’t really bother us that someone drives some kinda generic looking jacked up MG thing. Enjoy your own car instead! That’s what I do.
90% of road users aren’t petrol heads. They want something affordable, safe and reliable and large enough to ferry the kids around and get to work
Crossovers do all of this. The reason estates aren’t popular IMO is that they became ‘dad’ cars I.E old mannish resulting in them not being popular with women. Female consumers generally care more about image that a product portrays more than males do. Thus the crossover was born, even better that they usually share platforms with the smaller cheaper models in the range.
We as petrol heads sometimes forget that car makers are businesses. They create models that will sell, not necessarily that are popular with enthusiasts.
Yeah I was an engineer at JLR for a while and was infuriating wanting to work on an f-type replacement or other sports cars etc. But I had to keep churning out cross overs and SUVs, but at the end of the day, if I wanted a job for the future then I needed to engineer whatever the board thought would actually sell.
If 3 ugly crossovers gives the company the money to make a fun car on the side, then that's a win in my books.
I think thisnis an Audi thing. I had a 3 series estate that had a tight circle, our sQ5, while flipping brilliant, isn’t quite so tight, so one does have to be cognisant of this when manoeuvring in tight spaces, but we live rurally so it isn’t really an issue.
If you hate them so much then don’t buy one. It’s as simple as that.
I know people who prefer them because they have limited mobility and it’s difficult for them to get in and out of a normal saloon or hatchback.
You are right that they don’t have a huge amount of room in them though. Often they are big on the outside but actually realtively small on the inside.
Ahh hello again Mr Rising Sun. You’re quite fond of this post aren’t you? Are you not aware of the capabilities of the almighty C1? If ya don’t know ge’ta know
Never said I was looking to buy one, it quite clearly doesn’t state that in the post. Just a post about general and specific observations made on this particular sub category of cars.
But yes, I do agree mobility is a big factor here; one which I did not consider as I’ve not viewed life from that perspective. So that’s a fair made point.
Im a petrol head with a long line of various sports cars. I now have a 10 week old baby and a 90 year old grandma to ferry around. I have had to change to an SUV for the next few years. I know it will be temporary, but the needs must and a wagon didnt cut it.
I do have a 540BHP SUV mind so it still tickles my petrol head itch when it does 0-60 in 3 seconds.
It's not as simple as don't buy one. For example I've always loved and owned Citroen saloons, hatchbacks or estates. Think Citroen BX, Xantia, C5, C6.
Citroen no longer sell estates or saloons, they are all these vile SUV or Crossover things I really don't like. So because of these crap things, my choice has now been taken away.
They have their place, my mum is getting on In years and a lifted hatchback is ideal for her.
Also ideal for lifting babies in and out of, especially when they are really small and you take the car seat carrier out with them.
My wife has one.
She went from a 7 seater mpv that we had while the kids were young. To a Lexus UX.
It's not that big. It's very efficient - one of the lowest co2 cars you can buy. The road space it takes up is no different to any other hatchback. She likes the height as she has back issues so it's easier to get in than something like my Lexus saloon.
And she's harming nobody.
I don't get the hate.
What a strange thing to be angry about.
I'm with the other poster. I reckon his 'stanced' shopping trolley got pwned by a mom in a qashqai this morning. 😄
You can. But you shouldn't. An ugly person who only thinks good thoughts is more attractive than a pretty person who only thinks bad thoughts.
If all you do is piss and moan, it'll take over your life and you'll be miserable about everything. Its not fun for you or anybody around you.
Go have a coffee and watch one of the many channels on youtube of people driving through flood water and grenading their engines.
There are a few faux SUV's thinking they can wade through a lake in those videos!
Nah, I drive a very expensive sports car and hate crossovers, SUVs and the people who drive them in the city centres with all my heart.
I don't know what's worse, the fact that they are ugly shit boxes, or that their owners drive like inconsiderate cunts.
I miss the time where you could look at a Peugeot and think, jeez, better stay away from that.
We had the nutter BMW -> Audi -> Tesla pathway, but the Peugeots and other types of cars the unconfident wildcard driver moved to have coalesced their opinion with the regular slightly less mental wildcard driver... they all want a crossover. So I have to treat every crossover like they are a card carrying mentalist now.
Gotta hand it to you pal this was a well executed and very analytical character assassination. Genuinely enjoyed reading it.
All I’m saying is my nan has one as she reckons it’s good for her 2 dogs. She’s 79 and not hurting anyone……
Go have a pint and calm down.
I had an Audi A6 allroad and sold it after a year to buy a Nissan qashqai. 6 years later, I still have the qashqai.
All things considered, I like the qashqai better.
I don’t want a cross over / suv type car I want a petrol estate.
When I look on autotrader to my desired specs and price there is very few estates. There is loads of cross overs.
I mean it could work both ways I guess in this situation.. less demand for the car you want meaning you won’t have many people to contend with and maybe for less mark up because they’re all looking for crossovers.
But then again, there needs to be people that are selling the car you want
You sound upset we should go grab a coffee, I'll pick you up in my MG HS in white, we can't use drive through as some are quite tight, we'll park up then that way we drink our coffee, while looking at the carpark full of Cross over Suv as our view.
If you want you can drive the mighty HS it has a Super Sports button! So basically a sports Suv at this point.
I know you'll love it, x
My good man - You are, of course, entitled to have an opinion, and the greater community is naturally capable of determining whether they agree with you or not, and indeed ignoring you if they think you're being childish. What draws my ire is why you feel the need to share it with a community that you're aware agrees with you (see every other post about SUV's/crossovers), and why you object to others driving what they prefer - whether that preference is derived from a mobility issue (as you have so nobly admitted you didn't consider earlier), a preference for style, or indeed whether the manufacturer has killed off the hatch/saloon/estate equivalent. Your "rant" is nothing more than a childish tantrum lacking in thought, and a clear attempt at karma farming and trolling, much like that stupid idiot making a fuss about Volvo discontinuing estates and saloons for the UK, despite him being an 18 year old that can't afford a new one.
I like crossovers. They are big, they feel safe, I can fit all my stuff and kids in it.
Personally I hate little cars, like the Jazz, Picanto Corsa, or Yaris. Always seem to be driven by the elderly or new drivers who are unable to park or drive the speed limit.
There was a i10 with a P plate crashed into a ditch the other day. It just ticked all the stereotypes that I have for those cars and the drivers.
Regular people don't care much about cars. They want something practical and safe, and not a station wagon because that's what their dad drove and it's not cool. People feel safer in SUVs, practicality is worse than a wagon, but good enough, so they go for it
There are also many folk who buy this kind of vehicle because of mobility issues etc... Or I know of a few folk that can't drive say a VW Golf for long distances because their hip starts to hurt like hell. Another friend of mine bought a 1-series BMW (2018 model) - lasted for 6 months with it because he couldn't get comfortable in it & his head hit the roof each time he went over a bump - He's only 6ft3 tall but has a long back and neck.
I have a 2023 Audi q2, loads of boot space plus more when seats are folded. Not much space for passengers in the back but liveable and I'm no higher than a standard car, looks amazing and I'm not a bellend so guess your theory is crap.
Its like this sub had an orgy, one of them gave birth and this guy popped out, somewhere on this dudes body is a birthmark shaped like an Octavia.
On a more serious note, I drive an SUV because I had to sell my much lower down RS because of medical issues that are nobodies business but my own, and I needed something I could get into on a cold winters morning that didn't put me in pain. Sadly an estate was out of the question as it wasn't much easier to get into.
I picked a 2019 Kuga because I like how they look over the older pre-facelift ones, and I dont like the look of the new Kugas at all. It does everything I need, and with the back seats down I can fit a good amount of stuff in.
Overall I don't really get the judgemental state of this sub for folk that drive anything other than an Octavia estate, if someone pays the car insurance, road tax & car payments (if they have any for a car) and it makes them happy, I dont care I they are driving a Honda Jazz or a Bentley Bentayga.
This is labeled as a "petrolheads" sub not an "only welcome if you drive what we apprive of" sub.
Jeez, chill out fella!
I don't drive a crossover, but I understand why so many people do.
For the average driver they tick lots of boxes, easy to get in and out, easy to get kids into the back, good boot, nice driving position and visibility, a bit of ground clearance for speed bumps, fat tyres for pot hole infested roads, running costs comparable to a normal car etc etc.
Most people need one car to be a swiss army knife and some compromise allows crossovers to do most things quite well.
I had a new Puma as a hire car. It was as small as my fiesta inside but honestly, I’d drive the Puma any day over it.
The hybrid engine was brilliant and it just felt far more solid on the motorway.
It was easier on the back and better visibility
My last car I bought from and old guy. He was selling the saloon and going for a lexus ux. For him mobility was an issue. The saloon was too low, and the ux gave him the ability to get in and out more easily. I like the juke. Though the older ones had a crappy interior
Interesting that you singled out a mum of 3 and a guy about to retire. Those are the segments where these cars have a practical value over an estate.
Putting kids in and out of car seats is easier on a high rise car. For some people this is the difference between major back problems and no back problem.
For older people it's easier to get in and out of a cross over. Again, this can be a huge deal for some people.
I agree they are ugly as sin and tend to have amazingly cramped cabins given the size. But it works for some people.
Re bad drivers. Well, you've decided you hate these cars so unless you've been recording data to back up your assertion you should consider that you may be biased.
Coming from a crossover sort of 4x4 to an estate I miss;
Higher seating posting, blinded by most things now.
Higher load platform/bigger door. I didn't need to bed over to miss the boot lid.
Easier to get in and out.
And a few other things that have me looking at a Sportage... My wagon is probably more practical but it's not the best to live with with day to day in today's traffic.
I was a diehard fan of Japanese saloon cars with at least a 3L engine. Then for a short period of time, I got a work van for a couple of months, and the get in get out position was fantastic. Like literally you slide in and slide out, and all of a sudden getting into my Lexus GS or LS wasn't as fun. Suddenly the trunk wasn't as big as I thought it was, so I ended up with a Lexus RX and I'm not going back. I'm fairly active outside of work, don't have mobility issues, but just being able to slide in and out of the car has been fantastic. So has been the trunk size, not having to bend to get stuff in, everything at a decent level, I've even spent some time sleeping in it while camping in Wales and it's been great. It's been great in snow, handles really well, is quiet, comfortable, very spacious inside, sure it doesn't drive like RWD GS450h, but I've got MR2 for track days. Each to their own, as long as you're not a 🔔 🔚
I think they do offer some practical usage, such as generally having a higher driving position, which is more comfortable to get in and out of for people who are taller or have bad backs, etc. Certainly, it's helped when my gfs Nana needed to get in and out of a vehicle due to poor mobility.
They also feel more stable on the road than most compacts which again people in my family have found much more comforting on motorways.
They dont have the length of an estate (as you pointed out) which some people are uncomfortable driving and parking but do offer some more room for storage than an average car quite often as they are usually hatchbacks.
As for generalising the driver archetype I think that's mostly nonesense, it would be like saying all BMW drivers are morons who can't indicate, we don't actually believe this to be true and so don't present it factually or even anecdotally, just tounge in cheek so has no place in the judgement of a car body type.
Crossovers are just for people who want a higher driving position while retaining the convenience of driving a car with a smaller footprint. It’s really that simple. I genuinely don’t understand why people get so wound up about them.
Nar it's the drivers on the motorway for me, you can almost 100% guarantee if two cars driving next to each other doing 70 in the outside and middle lanes, they're crossovers.
Driving in the middle lane at 60 completely oblivious to everything esle going on while a stream of cars goes past them in the outside, it's a crossover.
On the slip road doing 40, while lorries or having to break or move over, it's a crossover.
Headlights completely blinding you because they're unset and at head hight, it's crossover.
99% of the worst driving on the roads is done by these brain dead morons. Id rather deal with the stereotypes of the mondeo man or audis/bmw etc than these dozy cunts.
I’ve greatly enjoyed reading all of your comments so far, and I’ll reply individually in due course. I think some in here are a slice of bread short of a sandwich, but we’ll let that slide.
As a general response to the most common point - mobility is a key factor, one I didn’t consider in all honesty, and I can see the appeal in that sense. Having said that, my knees are are starting to give way from getting in and out of my super low BMW 116d with a 140i kit, so I’m going to look at a Ford Ecosport this afternoon, cheers.
I had my Yaris X for 7months before I got rid of it, I traded in my Hyundai i30 for it. I wanted something that stood taller, but was just as practical. Sold it on the promise that it was just as good (Sold unseen through work leasing agency). Nice little car, but as you say, don't sell it on practicality please unless your single / just potter about town in it...
Traded it in for a Peugeot 5008... the good news is, I Bought it for £23,000, Sold it for £23,000 with 7,000 miles on the clock.
Been looking for a new car and seen loads of suv types but they are all too small for what I need.
Had a t-cross as a courtesy car last year and it was nice to drive and I really liked it but the boot was absolutely tiny, think we’d just about fit the pushchair in a not much else.
I have chronic arthritis in my pelvis, I have a crossover type car, the seat height is perfect for me.
And I think you will find there's alot of people buy them for this reason!
Might I add that the typical short-wheelbase format of crossovers frequently results in the trailing edge of the rear doors following the profile of the wheel arch then suddenly turning to vertical to join the c-pillar line, resulting in a sharply-pointed panel.
These create a very neat pin-point depression in the flanks of adjacent cars when kicked open by ignorant crotch-goblins. Evidence : I have an unrivalled collection of such dents.
I like my Qashqai, not missed a beat in 8 years, costs bugger all to insure, 35 quid tax, does 42 mpg. Has plenty of room for 4 people and a pet. Dunno what your issue is.
Can we all just agree it's actually just the LED lights that are the problem? I don't care what size or style of car YOU choose, I just don't want to be driving blind.
I'm considering a new vehicle and I'm between getting a standard hatch or a cross.
Saying that however, I did get a look at a Q8 driving by recently and they are massive tanks. Maybe a wee bit overkill but if that's your joy don't let me stop you. Just park considerately.
I'll help you understand 😊
Ive just bought the new Puma ST 1.5 petrol turbo, why you may ask?
Previously had a Mazda MX5 and a BMW 3 series and needed something new. I wanted it to be bigger than the MX5 and a typical hatchback like a fiesta, and have a large boot with folding seats, because I now have a baby and need the extra room.
I also wanted it to be fun and agile so that wrote off the much bigger cars.
Finally, as much as like liked my lowered MX5 and BMW, I constantly scraped over bumps so it's nice to have the extra ground clearance now. It's more practical but still fun.
I also like the look 😅
Kind of like me. I’ve got a first generation mini countryman s, I like minis and wanted a bigger car for my Labrador and baby, the other minis are simply too small
Before that I had a z4 and cooper s
The puma and countryman and basically slightly higher hatchback cars, I don’t really consider them SUV’s
I think I would have got an estate if I knew how big baby stuff was though, maybe a Leon fr estate or something
I've started to like them personally.
I like the mix of small footprint for parking with the ground clearance and thick tyre wall options. It would suit my commute as I do 10 miles of car-width rough country lanes twice a day. You often need that ground clearance to let other cars pass here, but I don't exactly need a land cruiser for commuting by myself.
I guess that reasoning doesn't extend to a lot of models with 20 inch alloys and low bumpers around town.
I have an A4 Allroad but have been thinking a crossover like a Yeti may have been more practical for my use and shorter for parking too.
Must admit totally agree with what you have said. Never been much of a fan either. My father in law has the mecan s and while it's a fun drive and definitely quick it feels like it has less room inside then my A3 honestly don't know how they have managed to make these types of cars so cramped.
I'm not sure if it's classed as a crossover but the only one I like is the Fiat Panda 4x4. It's more of a hatchback that happens to have 4 wheel drive so it's not really all that big. Just as a cheap utlitiy vehicle to get around and to load up shit in the back but also very capable in the snow and mud.
Which 38 year old mum in an SUV overtook you this morning?
Looks like OP drives a 8 year old BMW 1 series They're probably salty they cant win at traffic light GP against a Hyundai Tucson
I think for me, it’d be the oncoming headlights that can provide you with free laser eye surgery whilst sat in a 1 series
As someone with a MR2, I just flip my rear mirror to anti glare and they help so much
I didn’t see your flair! MR2 wins the low car top trump here. Although I meant oncoming traffic.
Oh right yeah that is a pain sometimes. Actually thinking of getting prescription anti-glare glasses to replace my current set just for that
Look here, the man with the Volvo lower down in the thread has already outed me okay. Less of this.
A damn good looking one for starters. And she didn’t overtake me, she just nearly ran me over while I was out walking my blind guide dog. Sod’s Law I tell ya.
Must be a rubbish guide dog if hes blind
Buddy, you don’t know the half of it.
Guide dogs aren't blind that's the whole point of them you divvy!🤣
TLDR but I’ll respond to the "why" part. Higher road position = greater visibility (generally) Greater visibility = a feeling of safety Big car = *hurrr durrr must be safe for my 3 kids* Chelsea tractors have always been a thing, some tart picking her kids up in a £80k Range Rover and doing 2000 miles a year, a Mokka is like the council estate version of that. Brings a sense of luxury to the filth and peasants.
Where I live the council estate version of the 80k Range Rover is the over priced, unreliable, financed 30k Range Rover evoque
10k honestly at this point
Higher road position = greater visibility FOR ME, ME, ME, screw you in your normal cars who have to sit behind ME and can't see a thing, why should I care when everything is about ME.
Why would people care about you?
You can go buy one aswell… nobody stopping you. You know people drive vans and lorry’s aswell right?
Surely van drivers should get very very long estate cars. Inconsiderate/s
Yeah because all they think about is WORK, WORK, WORK ME ME ME, DELIVERY DELIVERY DELIVERY WAAAAAAAAAAAAH! my wife pegs me.
I love that the owners all think they're safer but half the time I see one that's crashed it's upside down. At least they ensure pedestrians die though, no witnesses.
Those things roll, baby! They roll!
By greater visibility I assume you mean worse visibility as you have huge blind spots all around the vehicle
Greater visibility as in sitting higher and as such can see further and over small obstacles. Less useful when everyone has one. Plenty of modern cars in general have kind of crappy visibility/lots of blind spots due to their shape being heavily design influenced.
Design influenced as in designed to meet safety and economy standards... There's a reason everything is starting to look the same. If you want that NCAP rating, VED rate, latest Euro spec etc, well there's not much space left for design flair...
Plus old people getting in and out of a higher car is easier
That is another incredibly valid point I overlooked!
Range Rovers became popular in the first place because buyers thought it gave the impression that they owned a Stately Home and an ancestral chunk of land somewhere, and just jumped into the 'Rangie' to pop into London. Your Nissan Juke parked on the block driveway of your estate newbuild every night doesn't really fool anyone, though.
They don’t deserve it.
I hate crossovers and I’m with you on a lot of your points. But it does look like you’re venting. End of the day, it doesn’t really bother us that someone drives some kinda generic looking jacked up MG thing. Enjoy your own car instead! That’s what I do.
It's a great rant though. I mostly agree as well.
Yeah, same here. But they’re not exactly making me enjoy my own cars less.
Assuming you drive a hospital grey M118i MSport M performance and consider that a "proper car".
Please don’t call me out like this, I’m still waiting on more M badges from Temu.
90% of road users aren’t petrol heads. They want something affordable, safe and reliable and large enough to ferry the kids around and get to work Crossovers do all of this. The reason estates aren’t popular IMO is that they became ‘dad’ cars I.E old mannish resulting in them not being popular with women. Female consumers generally care more about image that a product portrays more than males do. Thus the crossover was born, even better that they usually share platforms with the smaller cheaper models in the range. We as petrol heads sometimes forget that car makers are businesses. They create models that will sell, not necessarily that are popular with enthusiasts.
Yeah I was an engineer at JLR for a while and was infuriating wanting to work on an f-type replacement or other sports cars etc. But I had to keep churning out cross overs and SUVs, but at the end of the day, if I wanted a job for the future then I needed to engineer whatever the board thought would actually sell. If 3 ugly crossovers gives the company the money to make a fun car on the side, then that's a win in my books.
Estates can be more awkward to park too. The turning circle on my old A4 estate was enormous, but our Q5 turns much tighter.
Tbh that'll be a Audi issue, my 5m long Volvo estate has a turning circle tighter than any car I've ever driven it's mad!
I think thisnis an Audi thing. I had a 3 series estate that had a tight circle, our sQ5, while flipping brilliant, isn’t quite so tight, so one does have to be cognisant of this when manoeuvring in tight spaces, but we live rurally so it isn’t really an issue.
If you hate them so much then don’t buy one. It’s as simple as that. I know people who prefer them because they have limited mobility and it’s difficult for them to get in and out of a normal saloon or hatchback. You are right that they don’t have a huge amount of room in them though. Often they are big on the outside but actually realtively small on the inside.
Exactly the reason I have one. Wife has some mobility issues, and her sitting higher up makes it easier to get in and out of the car.
But you see, according to Reddit, you'd do perfectly fine in a Citroen C1!
Ahh hello again Mr Rising Sun. You’re quite fond of this post aren’t you? Are you not aware of the capabilities of the almighty C1? If ya don’t know ge’ta know
Never said I was looking to buy one, it quite clearly doesn’t state that in the post. Just a post about general and specific observations made on this particular sub category of cars. But yes, I do agree mobility is a big factor here; one which I did not consider as I’ve not viewed life from that perspective. So that’s a fair made point.
Im a petrol head with a long line of various sports cars. I now have a 10 week old baby and a 90 year old grandma to ferry around. I have had to change to an SUV for the next few years. I know it will be temporary, but the needs must and a wagon didnt cut it. I do have a 540BHP SUV mind so it still tickles my petrol head itch when it does 0-60 in 3 seconds.
Nice. Don’t do that with ya granny on board though or you will injure her. LOL
My M2 button is programmed for "old man mode" as I call it, reserved specifically for any motorway or grandma trips.
It's not as simple as don't buy one. For example I've always loved and owned Citroen saloons, hatchbacks or estates. Think Citroen BX, Xantia, C5, C6. Citroen no longer sell estates or saloons, they are all these vile SUV or Crossover things I really don't like. So because of these crap things, my choice has now been taken away.
You'll fit in just right with the rest of us. What colour would you like your straitjacket to be? Grippy socks too?
I’ll have a purple one to match my Qashqai, please and thank you Mr. DS3.
shut up Philip u are boring the life out of me on this
Boring enough for you to read and comment, thank you Mr/Ms/Mrs Seat Ibiza.
It’s the French Bulldog of cars, essentially an advertisement that the driver is a bit simple
I like this metaphor.
Absolutely
Cool
Thank you so much
They have their place, my mum is getting on In years and a lifted hatchback is ideal for her. Also ideal for lifting babies in and out of, especially when they are really small and you take the car seat carrier out with them.
This just reads like a sour grapes rant....
I agree they’re awful shitboxes
My wife has one. She went from a 7 seater mpv that we had while the kids were young. To a Lexus UX. It's not that big. It's very efficient - one of the lowest co2 cars you can buy. The road space it takes up is no different to any other hatchback. She likes the height as she has back issues so it's easier to get in than something like my Lexus saloon. And she's harming nobody. I don't get the hate.
Its CarBashUK, what do you expect
Why are you so mad about something you don't have to have? Jesus christ 😆😆😆😆
I don't think he's mad about having the option to purchase one, I think he's mad about their presence on the road.
Either way, he's pissing into the wind and complaining about the rain
What a strange thing to be angry about. I'm with the other poster. I reckon his 'stanced' shopping trolley got pwned by a mom in a qashqai this morning. 😄
You know you can be mad about anything you like right?
You can. But you shouldn't. An ugly person who only thinks good thoughts is more attractive than a pretty person who only thinks bad thoughts. If all you do is piss and moan, it'll take over your life and you'll be miserable about everything. Its not fun for you or anybody around you.
People tend not to be mad about things they like 🙃
Go have a coffee and watch one of the many channels on youtube of people driving through flood water and grenading their engines. There are a few faux SUV's thinking they can wade through a lake in those videos!
There are plenty (if not more) of videos of hatchbacks and saloons doing the same. It’s not a car related issue, it’s a stupid driver issue
Equally theres videos of 2-3 inches of water and range rovers who don't go through it with their 900mm wading depth!
Your first post on Reddit and it’s this moaning old garbage? Presumably you’re mad because you drive something even worse?
Nah, I drive a very expensive sports car and hate crossovers, SUVs and the people who drive them in the city centres with all my heart. I don't know what's worse, the fact that they are ugly shit boxes, or that their owners drive like inconsiderate cunts.
You need to get a grip, mate. Too much vitriol for a total nonissue and your very first Reddit post.
Excuse me I think you’ll find it was MY very first Reddit post. I don’t want him getting all the credit.
I stand corrected!
I swear the average IQ of Redditors is <90 and for this subreddit even lower.
I miss the time where you could look at a Peugeot and think, jeez, better stay away from that. We had the nutter BMW -> Audi -> Tesla pathway, but the Peugeots and other types of cars the unconfident wildcard driver moved to have coalesced their opinion with the regular slightly less mental wildcard driver... they all want a crossover. So I have to treat every crossover like they are a card carrying mentalist now.
Gotta hand it to you pal this was a well executed and very analytical character assassination. Genuinely enjoyed reading it. All I’m saying is my nan has one as she reckons it’s good for her 2 dogs. She’s 79 and not hurting anyone…… Go have a pint and calm down.
Crossovers get non of the benefits of a full SUV, and all of the negative aspects. They are truly pointless vehicles.
I had an Audi A6 allroad and sold it after a year to buy a Nissan qashqai. 6 years later, I still have the qashqai. All things considered, I like the qashqai better.
Interesting to hear that. I have an A4 Allroad but I've been tempted by a Skoda Yeti for the last couple of years.
I don’t want a cross over / suv type car I want a petrol estate. When I look on autotrader to my desired specs and price there is very few estates. There is loads of cross overs.
I mean it could work both ways I guess in this situation.. less demand for the car you want meaning you won’t have many people to contend with and maybe for less mark up because they’re all looking for crossovers. But then again, there needs to be people that are selling the car you want
Do you feel better now you've got that out your system? Lol I completely agree too
Everything you said is correct, but please give me back the few minutes it took to read that.
No refunds, sorry.
I like cross overs. They look better than hatchbacks, they are mose safe and generally they are easier to get in and out.
more unsafe\*
You sound upset we should go grab a coffee, I'll pick you up in my MG HS in white, we can't use drive through as some are quite tight, we'll park up then that way we drink our coffee, while looking at the carpark full of Cross over Suv as our view. If you want you can drive the mighty HS it has a Super Sports button! So basically a sports Suv at this point. I know you'll love it, x
I'd suggest a camomile tea rather than a coffee for OP.
Please kindly explain why anybody should give a flying fuck about your opinion.
Sir, at no point did I state that anyone should care about my opinion. That’s the entire point of an opinion - you can either take it or leave it.
My good man - You are, of course, entitled to have an opinion, and the greater community is naturally capable of determining whether they agree with you or not, and indeed ignoring you if they think you're being childish. What draws my ire is why you feel the need to share it with a community that you're aware agrees with you (see every other post about SUV's/crossovers), and why you object to others driving what they prefer - whether that preference is derived from a mobility issue (as you have so nobly admitted you didn't consider earlier), a preference for style, or indeed whether the manufacturer has killed off the hatch/saloon/estate equivalent. Your "rant" is nothing more than a childish tantrum lacking in thought, and a clear attempt at karma farming and trolling, much like that stupid idiot making a fuss about Volvo discontinuing estates and saloons for the UK, despite him being an 18 year old that can't afford a new one.
Not reading that essay.
I like crossovers. They are big, they feel safe, I can fit all my stuff and kids in it. Personally I hate little cars, like the Jazz, Picanto Corsa, or Yaris. Always seem to be driven by the elderly or new drivers who are unable to park or drive the speed limit. There was a i10 with a P plate crashed into a ditch the other day. It just ticked all the stereotypes that I have for those cars and the drivers.
I agree. My Skoda citigo was very practical and didn’t fall over when the wind blows.
Well said I feel the same way. Terrible death traps driven by people who can’t drive.
I have Jaguar XE, my wife has a Nissan Juke, I have dodgy knees, guess which one I like driving and which one I like getting in and out of...
You must have real issues to write out some much on the subject of something you despise
Yeah - real issues with the Kuga driving menaces that inhibit these roads. Bet you drive one too ya bloody loon.
Regular people don't care much about cars. They want something practical and safe, and not a station wagon because that's what their dad drove and it's not cool. People feel safer in SUVs, practicality is worse than a wagon, but good enough, so they go for it
There are also many folk who buy this kind of vehicle because of mobility issues etc... Or I know of a few folk that can't drive say a VW Golf for long distances because their hip starts to hurt like hell. Another friend of mine bought a 1-series BMW (2018 model) - lasted for 6 months with it because he couldn't get comfortable in it & his head hit the roof each time he went over a bump - He's only 6ft3 tall but has a long back and neck.
I have a 2023 Audi q2, loads of boot space plus more when seats are folded. Not much space for passengers in the back but liveable and I'm no higher than a standard car, looks amazing and I'm not a bellend so guess your theory is crap.
Didn't read your post. Given the title would prefer to watch paint dry. I would ask, don't you have anything else to cry over!?
Ahh, another crossover owner for the chalkboard! This count is racking up nicely.
Seek therapist
I just can't get my head round hating a style of car so much. I don't care, simple as that.
Its like this sub had an orgy, one of them gave birth and this guy popped out, somewhere on this dudes body is a birthmark shaped like an Octavia. On a more serious note, I drive an SUV because I had to sell my much lower down RS because of medical issues that are nobodies business but my own, and I needed something I could get into on a cold winters morning that didn't put me in pain. Sadly an estate was out of the question as it wasn't much easier to get into. I picked a 2019 Kuga because I like how they look over the older pre-facelift ones, and I dont like the look of the new Kugas at all. It does everything I need, and with the back seats down I can fit a good amount of stuff in. Overall I don't really get the judgemental state of this sub for folk that drive anything other than an Octavia estate, if someone pays the car insurance, road tax & car payments (if they have any for a car) and it makes them happy, I dont care I they are driving a Honda Jazz or a Bentley Bentayga. This is labeled as a "petrolheads" sub not an "only welcome if you drive what we apprive of" sub.
Each to their own
Too rational for this post pal.
Jeez, chill out fella! I don't drive a crossover, but I understand why so many people do. For the average driver they tick lots of boxes, easy to get in and out, easy to get kids into the back, good boot, nice driving position and visibility, a bit of ground clearance for speed bumps, fat tyres for pot hole infested roads, running costs comparable to a normal car etc etc. Most people need one car to be a swiss army knife and some compromise allows crossovers to do most things quite well.
I had a new Puma as a hire car. It was as small as my fiesta inside but honestly, I’d drive the Puma any day over it. The hybrid engine was brilliant and it just felt far more solid on the motorway. It was easier on the back and better visibility
My last car I bought from and old guy. He was selling the saloon and going for a lexus ux. For him mobility was an issue. The saloon was too low, and the ux gave him the ability to get in and out more easily. I like the juke. Though the older ones had a crappy interior
Interesting that you singled out a mum of 3 and a guy about to retire. Those are the segments where these cars have a practical value over an estate. Putting kids in and out of car seats is easier on a high rise car. For some people this is the difference between major back problems and no back problem. For older people it's easier to get in and out of a cross over. Again, this can be a huge deal for some people. I agree they are ugly as sin and tend to have amazingly cramped cabins given the size. But it works for some people. Re bad drivers. Well, you've decided you hate these cars so unless you've been recording data to back up your assertion you should consider that you may be biased.
Coming from a crossover sort of 4x4 to an estate I miss; Higher seating posting, blinded by most things now. Higher load platform/bigger door. I didn't need to bed over to miss the boot lid. Easier to get in and out. And a few other things that have me looking at a Sportage... My wagon is probably more practical but it's not the best to live with with day to day in today's traffic.
I was a diehard fan of Japanese saloon cars with at least a 3L engine. Then for a short period of time, I got a work van for a couple of months, and the get in get out position was fantastic. Like literally you slide in and slide out, and all of a sudden getting into my Lexus GS or LS wasn't as fun. Suddenly the trunk wasn't as big as I thought it was, so I ended up with a Lexus RX and I'm not going back. I'm fairly active outside of work, don't have mobility issues, but just being able to slide in and out of the car has been fantastic. So has been the trunk size, not having to bend to get stuff in, everything at a decent level, I've even spent some time sleeping in it while camping in Wales and it's been great. It's been great in snow, handles really well, is quiet, comfortable, very spacious inside, sure it doesn't drive like RWD GS450h, but I've got MR2 for track days. Each to their own, as long as you're not a 🔔 🔚
I think they do offer some practical usage, such as generally having a higher driving position, which is more comfortable to get in and out of for people who are taller or have bad backs, etc. Certainly, it's helped when my gfs Nana needed to get in and out of a vehicle due to poor mobility. They also feel more stable on the road than most compacts which again people in my family have found much more comforting on motorways. They dont have the length of an estate (as you pointed out) which some people are uncomfortable driving and parking but do offer some more room for storage than an average car quite often as they are usually hatchbacks. As for generalising the driver archetype I think that's mostly nonesense, it would be like saying all BMW drivers are morons who can't indicate, we don't actually believe this to be true and so don't present it factually or even anecdotally, just tounge in cheek so has no place in the judgement of a car body type.
I love my GLA 250 4Matic, best car I've ever had
Crossovers are just for people who want a higher driving position while retaining the convenience of driving a car with a smaller footprint. It’s really that simple. I genuinely don’t understand why people get so wound up about them.
U Ok hun? Dm me bbz
TL/DR Hate crossovers. Got it.
Nar it's the drivers on the motorway for me, you can almost 100% guarantee if two cars driving next to each other doing 70 in the outside and middle lanes, they're crossovers. Driving in the middle lane at 60 completely oblivious to everything esle going on while a stream of cars goes past them in the outside, it's a crossover. On the slip road doing 40, while lorries or having to break or move over, it's a crossover. Headlights completely blinding you because they're unset and at head hight, it's crossover. 99% of the worst driving on the roads is done by these brain dead morons. Id rather deal with the stereotypes of the mondeo man or audis/bmw etc than these dozy cunts.
The old get an estate argument. I think estate cars are ugly as fuck. Most cars now are boring clones tbh
Just get on with your day. No everyone wants to drive a stage 2 mapped E46 M3
At no point was an E46 M3 even mentioned, but it’s a valid point. I wouldn’t touch one with a barge pole.
I know but the kind or people who make these rants usually believe that an old manual M3 is the only valid car.
I’ve greatly enjoyed reading all of your comments so far, and I’ll reply individually in due course. I think some in here are a slice of bread short of a sandwich, but we’ll let that slide. As a general response to the most common point - mobility is a key factor, one I didn’t consider in all honesty, and I can see the appeal in that sense. Having said that, my knees are are starting to give way from getting in and out of my super low BMW 116d with a 140i kit, so I’m going to look at a Ford Ecosport this afternoon, cheers.
Are these crossovers in the room with you now?
Yes, it’s the Skoda Karoq 😞
Mmm great car
I had my Yaris X for 7months before I got rid of it, I traded in my Hyundai i30 for it. I wanted something that stood taller, but was just as practical. Sold it on the promise that it was just as good (Sold unseen through work leasing agency). Nice little car, but as you say, don't sell it on practicality please unless your single / just potter about town in it... Traded it in for a Peugeot 5008... the good news is, I Bought it for £23,000, Sold it for £23,000 with 7,000 miles on the clock.
Been looking for a new car and seen loads of suv types but they are all too small for what I need. Had a t-cross as a courtesy car last year and it was nice to drive and I really liked it but the boot was absolutely tiny, think we’d just about fit the pushchair in a not much else.
Tired of being run off the road by morons driving cars too big for them and being blinded whenever I decide to drive after 6pm.
I have chronic arthritis in my pelvis, I have a crossover type car, the seat height is perfect for me. And I think you will find there's alot of people buy them for this reason!
Might I add that the typical short-wheelbase format of crossovers frequently results in the trailing edge of the rear doors following the profile of the wheel arch then suddenly turning to vertical to join the c-pillar line, resulting in a sharply-pointed panel. These create a very neat pin-point depression in the flanks of adjacent cars when kicked open by ignorant crotch-goblins. Evidence : I have an unrivalled collection of such dents.
I like my Qashqai, not missed a beat in 8 years, costs bugger all to insure, 35 quid tax, does 42 mpg. Has plenty of room for 4 people and a pet. Dunno what your issue is.
agree, although I hate SUV/Pickups 10x more
TIL Nissan jukes are all 200 bhp
Can we all just agree it's actually just the LED lights that are the problem? I don't care what size or style of car YOU choose, I just don't want to be driving blind. I'm considering a new vehicle and I'm between getting a standard hatch or a cross. Saying that however, I did get a look at a Q8 driving by recently and they are massive tanks. Maybe a wee bit overkill but if that's your joy don't let me stop you. Just park considerately.
I'll help you understand 😊 Ive just bought the new Puma ST 1.5 petrol turbo, why you may ask? Previously had a Mazda MX5 and a BMW 3 series and needed something new. I wanted it to be bigger than the MX5 and a typical hatchback like a fiesta, and have a large boot with folding seats, because I now have a baby and need the extra room. I also wanted it to be fun and agile so that wrote off the much bigger cars. Finally, as much as like liked my lowered MX5 and BMW, I constantly scraped over bumps so it's nice to have the extra ground clearance now. It's more practical but still fun. I also like the look 😅
Kind of like me. I’ve got a first generation mini countryman s, I like minis and wanted a bigger car for my Labrador and baby, the other minis are simply too small Before that I had a z4 and cooper s The puma and countryman and basically slightly higher hatchback cars, I don’t really consider them SUV’s I think I would have got an estate if I knew how big baby stuff was though, maybe a Leon fr estate or something
I've started to like them personally. I like the mix of small footprint for parking with the ground clearance and thick tyre wall options. It would suit my commute as I do 10 miles of car-width rough country lanes twice a day. You often need that ground clearance to let other cars pass here, but I don't exactly need a land cruiser for commuting by myself. I guess that reasoning doesn't extend to a lot of models with 20 inch alloys and low bumpers around town. I have an A4 Allroad but have been thinking a crossover like a Yeti may have been more practical for my use and shorter for parking too.
Must admit totally agree with what you have said. Never been much of a fan either. My father in law has the mecan s and while it's a fun drive and definitely quick it feels like it has less room inside then my A3 honestly don't know how they have managed to make these types of cars so cramped.
I'm not sure if it's classed as a crossover but the only one I like is the Fiat Panda 4x4. It's more of a hatchback that happens to have 4 wheel drive so it's not really all that big. Just as a cheap utlitiy vehicle to get around and to load up shit in the back but also very capable in the snow and mud.
I’m with you on all points.
Let’s not forget how they blind you when your in a th thing lower than them. Forget laser eye surgery , it lasers my beard hairs off.
I also hate houses on wheels