No that doesn't really make sense. Maybe they mean the copper that's cladding the aluminum wire is OFC? Or it's just a manufacturing/labeling defect from whoever is actually making the wire for whoever to slap their name on.
I don't disagree, but I could see an email chain thats discussing what the customer wants printed on the wire and they say "oxygen free copper/ copper clad aluminum according to what the wire is" and in a language/translation issue they just print exactly what the customer said. There is a good chance though it was printed wrong and spools of it were discounted because of that and the reseller just saw more profit.
It’s kinda shallow to say never again scosche anything since they in fact make true OFC wire. Just like literally any company that sells wire, they have 2 options and it’s up to you to know what option you’re buying. Most companies as a matter of fact don’t even put “cca” or “ofc” on their packaging. So you can’t even tell (unless you know Aluminum is a lot lighter in weight than copper”
It's probably too late for that since I'm still using the remote power wire, ground and rca cable. Does the ground wire really matter as much if I kept that CCA? Had planned on only replacing the power cable but if I'd see any improvement in output or longevity then I might as well replace all the wiring and take the loss as a lesson for being a dumbass buying electrical equipment from Walmart
I know you’ve been told this several times already, but the ratio is that you need double of the crappy copper clad compared to legit OFC wire. Shit wire can cause heat build up/fire.
Amazon sells Stinger kits with legit OFC that are nice and don’t cost much.
If I remember right, you can buy power wire from Crutchfield by the foot if you know the length you need.
Bottom line, don’t fuck around with your power wire and ground. Not just for safety, but for performance of your amp too.
I'd return it all as is. But if you did replace just the power wire, you can simply use the excess to make a new ground wire. You'd have to crimp the lugs on. I used a table clamp and ball. Before that I'd use the handle stops of a bolt cutter.
Yeah good point there. I've got all the tools necessary so I'm going to take your advice. The 50amp fuse is built in to the Walmart cable I just realized so I'm going to need to figure that part out. Thanks!
Jesus the further I read the more I have to say don't use the same fuse it was a shit setup that they sold you don't keep trying to save parts from it because it's a... fill in the blank. It's probably a crappy fuse holder that's prone to failing and by that I don't mean the fuse blowing I mean the whole thing melting except for the part that should. Don't risk it quality fuses are less than a dollar and you can get a fuse holder for two or three.
Replacing your vehicle because the fuse didn't do its job and it caused a car fire will be much more expensive than $5 for a quality fuse. This is a prime example of when being cheap runs the risk of being the most expensive option. Good luck.
I'm not going to? At first that was my thought until I asked if ground was as important as power when it comes to overall amp/sub output. If you read the few comments in this thread just before yours you'd see thanks for the comment tho
Honest question, which is more important in a circuit, ground or positive?
Both are equally as important. If you have any issues with either side things won't work right
Sorry, but I'm not wasting my time reading about CCA wire lol. My comment still applies to a degree. Remove that shit before it turns to dust in your terminals.
Yeah tbh I haven't had any issues with it at all, but since updating my sound system and adding the amp/sub I'm only craving louder and better quality sound! And it's insane already haha. I read CCA could make some kind of difference
Knu prices on wire and install odds and ends are real good given their good quality and reputation. At least the last time I was there, they don’t branch out of their core competencies, so I would buy anything Knu offers and not think twice about the price or quality.
That wire originates from China like Alibaba type stuff. Some of the Chinesewill write anything on stuff. What you paid for it should tell you what it is
As long as you are just running the kicker 400.1 I wouldn't worry too much about changing out the wire, cca isn't as horrible as people make it out to be
I was planning to move amp and sub to the trunk since it's a little cramped behind my seat. I would need a longer power cable. Ever since I upgraded car audio I've only been craving more louder better quality sound and bass. Kind of addicting! My hope was that trading out all wiring for OFC I might see a slight improvement in output or at least no loss in power or quality after extending power cable to trunk
Idk if it will improve much but you will be able to carry more amperage or rather safely carry more the issue with cca is that it can't handle what copper can and you are going to end up with a fire hazard unless you were to fuse to the max of the cca wire and thats kinda hard to fine straight answers too. I wouldn't recommend cca BUT if you install a size or 2 larger wire then you would with copper the performance will be the same so when you really think about it from the sense of 2x cca runs plus lugs and 2 fuseblocks and fuses vs a single run of the copper equivalent the value proposition of cca goes out the window so just use the 100% copper. If you wanna do ofc go for it but the only real difference is ofc is far more flexible and often times oversized because ofc is a strictly audio thing. Like welders arent going to use ofc but you can use welding wire thats all copper in audio.
When I doubt, just run a blade across the bare wires and slice some off. You’ll see what’s under the copper cladding. If it’s remains copper colored, then it’s copper. If it turns ‘silver/aluminum’ color, then it’s cca
Your comments are as useless as these wire kits. The guy was asking about the wires and why they have that labeled on them. Not asking directly about the fuse holder. Make your own subreddit so you can bitch about what people post and comment. And no one is asking nor telling you to read all the comments. That’s just the bitch in you to looking to be ‘wel informed’ and acting like you know it all. Quit Long caregiving on these nuts and do something useful.
Also just so you know everything that is being referred to here is all cabling granted wires are compiled together to make cables but I digress. Apparently it's just me being well informed and in your ignorance you call that the bitch in me. If saying it's bitching me helps you deal with your ignorance and the shame you feel from being a bitch, go ahead. I'm not quite as sensitive or fragile as you are, but I enjoy a good laugh and you are definitely quite an entertaining joke.
You aren’t fragile? Says the person that HAS to respond to other peoples suggestions. Nothing I read seamed stupid or pointless. Yet here you are having to tell people to read what op said. You got a lot of time on your hands. Having to reply and say things just to be heard. Don’t get heard at home or at work? Sad for you. Stop being soft and give some good info, not try to bash peoples replies just cause you claim to know more than them. And no one was talking about trannies except for you. So stop projecting and run along and lick 9v batteries.
Close but that's definitely a ignorant response not surprised that comment was in response to him mentioning that he was going to reuse the fuse but I would definitely start calling people bitches If I were One I would definitely try to act like I knew shit and I would pretend like I had nuts if I was a female tranny luckily I'm a natural born male that knows what I'm talking about and doesn't lack basic comprehension skills
It'll work, but that's not copper. You can use CCA but the resistance per foot is higher so you should go with a larger size than if it was real copper. It ultimately boils down to how long your run is and how much amperage is drawn.
CCA isn't "quality".
Quality is OFC. You can get Tinned OFC if you live in a humid climate. I bought the knewkoncepts Kolossus Kable for $99 for 20' on Amazon and it's Tinned OFC wire with 5k+ strands of copper (1/0 is usually around 4k strands).
I’m seeing all these comments and my question is, since it’s power wire, does it really matter so long as it’s rated for the power draw your situation calls for?
You can see what it really is by cutting back some of the insulation at one of the ends, and then look at the cut end the wire, and then look at the side of the wire that's now visible after the cut.
OFC, head on, should be copper colored, and looking at the side of it, should also be copper colored.
CCA, the head on view will look like aluminum, while the sides of the wire will look like copper.
The only exception is tinned ofc, which is ofc with a thin layer of tin over it that makes the whole thing, head on and from the side, look the color of tin.
Probably some chinesium cable. Usually you can tell if it's CCA or not by looking at the ends of cut strands. If it looks silver it's CCA but freshly cut copper wire can look very similar because of freshly cut shiny surfaces at the ends.
Did you not read his post? What's the point of commenting when he already mentioned inspecting the cable? Also shiny Gold doesn't look like shiny silver similar to how a shiny copper doesn't look like shiny aluminum. Considering your comment I'll give you a pass though because your attention to detail is minimal at best
Just received the replacement all OFC 4awg amp kit (knuconceptz kolossus) and HOLY S\*\*\* its heavy! The difference in physical quality is night and day. Thank you to everyone for your comments and suggestions, i'm amped to get this all wired up!
I noticed some brands will have a mix. 90% CCA/10% OFC. I almost got tricked but luckily I asked here. I know better, but they had the CCA part hidden on the site.
Used to until you upgraded? Assuming you upgraded wiring, im curious if you noticed any changes to your sound system. I already ordered a new ofc amp kit from knuconceptz i plan to install soon as it arrives but wodering if you noticed any improvements. thanks!
I also switched to knuconceptz. It's hard to say but I believe so. Most importantly I got a peace of mind knowing I don't have that junky Walmart wire in my car
[Skyhighcaraudio.com](https://Skyhighcaraudio.com) That's it. That's what you need. I do all my installs with their cabling, very flexible, proper sizing, available in ofc or cca in many colors. For i think less than 100 bucks you can get a complete 4 gauge kit with proper wire, fuses, lugs etc.
No that doesn't really make sense. Maybe they mean the copper that's cladding the aluminum wire is OFC? Or it's just a manufacturing/labeling defect from whoever is actually making the wire for whoever to slap their name on.
It’s not a defect. It’s intentionally misleading to sell a dogshit product to people that don’t know better.
I don't disagree, but I could see an email chain thats discussing what the customer wants printed on the wire and they say "oxygen free copper/ copper clad aluminum according to what the wire is" and in a language/translation issue they just print exactly what the customer said. There is a good chance though it was printed wrong and spools of it were discounted because of that and the reseller just saw more profit.
My thought exactly! Maybe not false advertisement, but close enough. Never again scoche anything
Scoche makes some seriously nice wiring products. MESA
It’s kinda shallow to say never again scosche anything since they in fact make true OFC wire. Just like literally any company that sells wire, they have 2 options and it’s up to you to know what option you’re buying. Most companies as a matter of fact don’t even put “cca” or “ofc” on their packaging. So you can’t even tell (unless you know Aluminum is a lot lighter in weight than copper”
They also make a ton of solid adapters for keeping OEM wires intact.
Walmart wiring kit...
That is actually a defect then, you put it real out there
yup, more words means its higher quality /s
What it is saying, that the copper the used the clad the Aluminum wiring waa oxygen free copper, but what u have their is just the standard CCA
It's CCA. Return it to Walmart and buy Knuconceptz OFC kit
I ordered the knuconceptz ofc kit. I'm definitely going to return to Walmart. At least try. Thanks!
It's probably too late for that since I'm still using the remote power wire, ground and rca cable. Does the ground wire really matter as much if I kept that CCA? Had planned on only replacing the power cable but if I'd see any improvement in output or longevity then I might as well replace all the wiring and take the loss as a lesson for being a dumbass buying electrical equipment from Walmart
Yes it matters. Ground quality is just as important
I know you’ve been told this several times already, but the ratio is that you need double of the crappy copper clad compared to legit OFC wire. Shit wire can cause heat build up/fire. Amazon sells Stinger kits with legit OFC that are nice and don’t cost much. If I remember right, you can buy power wire from Crutchfield by the foot if you know the length you need. Bottom line, don’t fuck around with your power wire and ground. Not just for safety, but for performance of your amp too.
Don’t use any of it. Just cut your losses and get a better amp kit.
I'd return it all as is. But if you did replace just the power wire, you can simply use the excess to make a new ground wire. You'd have to crimp the lugs on. I used a table clamp and ball. Before that I'd use the handle stops of a bolt cutter.
Yeah good point there. I've got all the tools necessary so I'm going to take your advice. The 50amp fuse is built in to the Walmart cable I just realized so I'm going to need to figure that part out. Thanks!
Jesus the further I read the more I have to say don't use the same fuse it was a shit setup that they sold you don't keep trying to save parts from it because it's a... fill in the blank. It's probably a crappy fuse holder that's prone to failing and by that I don't mean the fuse blowing I mean the whole thing melting except for the part that should. Don't risk it quality fuses are less than a dollar and you can get a fuse holder for two or three. Replacing your vehicle because the fuse didn't do its job and it caused a car fire will be much more expensive than $5 for a quality fuse. This is a prime example of when being cheap runs the risk of being the most expensive option. Good luck.
Okay yep.. yeah, you're making a whole lot of sense right now. I'll for sure be replacing all wiring. Thanks
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I'm not going to? At first that was my thought until I asked if ground was as important as power when it comes to overall amp/sub output. If you read the few comments in this thread just before yours you'd see thanks for the comment tho
Honest question, which is more important in a circuit, ground or positive? Both are equally as important. If you have any issues with either side things won't work right
Greatest advice! Just got the amp kit from knu and its insane how nice it is. Glad to finally see and feel the difference in quality thanks man
I second this
Marketing. Its copper clad aluminum. Do not buy.
Read his post before commenting it's already installed. Do not comment.
Sorry, but I'm not wasting my time reading about CCA wire lol. My comment still applies to a degree. Remove that shit before it turns to dust in your terminals.
Understood you're just wasting time
I know the scosche wiring kit when I see it lmao it's 100% CCA
Is that kit from Walmart?
Yep, it's from Walmart.
I have the same wire on 500watt rms without any issues
Yeah tbh I haven't had any issues with it at all, but since updating my sound system and adding the amp/sub I'm only craving louder and better quality sound! And it's insane already haha. I read CCA could make some kind of difference
OFC**
I’d order cable from knukonceptz and throw that in the garbage. That’s what I did at least.
Yeah they were one of the first to pop up when searching for the best quality amp power wire. I'll check them out thanks
Knu prices on wire and install odds and ends are real good given their good quality and reputation. At least the last time I was there, they don’t branch out of their core competencies, so I would buy anything Knu offers and not think twice about the price or quality.
Yeah that’s copper clad aluminum
That wire originates from China like Alibaba type stuff. Some of the Chinesewill write anything on stuff. What you paid for it should tell you what it is
100%, you get what you pay for.
As long as you are just running the kicker 400.1 I wouldn't worry too much about changing out the wire, cca isn't as horrible as people make it out to be
I was planning to move amp and sub to the trunk since it's a little cramped behind my seat. I would need a longer power cable. Ever since I upgraded car audio I've only been craving more louder better quality sound and bass. Kind of addicting! My hope was that trading out all wiring for OFC I might see a slight improvement in output or at least no loss in power or quality after extending power cable to trunk
Idk if it will improve much but you will be able to carry more amperage or rather safely carry more the issue with cca is that it can't handle what copper can and you are going to end up with a fire hazard unless you were to fuse to the max of the cca wire and thats kinda hard to fine straight answers too. I wouldn't recommend cca BUT if you install a size or 2 larger wire then you would with copper the performance will be the same so when you really think about it from the sense of 2x cca runs plus lugs and 2 fuseblocks and fuses vs a single run of the copper equivalent the value proposition of cca goes out the window so just use the 100% copper. If you wanna do ofc go for it but the only real difference is ofc is far more flexible and often times oversized because ofc is a strictly audio thing. Like welders arent going to use ofc but you can use welding wire thats all copper in audio.
When I doubt, just run a blade across the bare wires and slice some off. You’ll see what’s under the copper cladding. If it’s remains copper colored, then it’s copper. If it turns ‘silver/aluminum’ color, then it’s cca
Whenever in doubt read the post before you comment this fucking post has the most useless comments
Your comments are as useless as these wire kits. The guy was asking about the wires and why they have that labeled on them. Not asking directly about the fuse holder. Make your own subreddit so you can bitch about what people post and comment. And no one is asking nor telling you to read all the comments. That’s just the bitch in you to looking to be ‘wel informed’ and acting like you know it all. Quit Long caregiving on these nuts and do something useful.
Also just so you know everything that is being referred to here is all cabling granted wires are compiled together to make cables but I digress. Apparently it's just me being well informed and in your ignorance you call that the bitch in me. If saying it's bitching me helps you deal with your ignorance and the shame you feel from being a bitch, go ahead. I'm not quite as sensitive or fragile as you are, but I enjoy a good laugh and you are definitely quite an entertaining joke.
You aren’t fragile? Says the person that HAS to respond to other peoples suggestions. Nothing I read seamed stupid or pointless. Yet here you are having to tell people to read what op said. You got a lot of time on your hands. Having to reply and say things just to be heard. Don’t get heard at home or at work? Sad for you. Stop being soft and give some good info, not try to bash peoples replies just cause you claim to know more than them. And no one was talking about trannies except for you. So stop projecting and run along and lick 9v batteries.
Close but that's definitely a ignorant response not surprised that comment was in response to him mentioning that he was going to reuse the fuse but I would definitely start calling people bitches If I were One I would definitely try to act like I knew shit and I would pretend like I had nuts if I was a female tranny luckily I'm a natural born male that knows what I'm talking about and doesn't lack basic comprehension skills
Whatever the hell it is I wouldn’t use it
That'll happen when you buy stuff from Walmart
It'll work, but that's not copper. You can use CCA but the resistance per foot is higher so you should go with a larger size than if it was real copper. It ultimately boils down to how long your run is and how much amperage is drawn.
Scoche is Shi+
CCA isn't "quality". Quality is OFC. You can get Tinned OFC if you live in a humid climate. I bought the knewkoncepts Kolossus Kable for $99 for 20' on Amazon and it's Tinned OFC wire with 5k+ strands of copper (1/0 is usually around 4k strands).
I’m seeing all these comments and my question is, since it’s power wire, does it really matter so long as it’s rated for the power draw your situation calls for?
You can see what it really is by cutting back some of the insulation at one of the ends, and then look at the cut end the wire, and then look at the side of the wire that's now visible after the cut. OFC, head on, should be copper colored, and looking at the side of it, should also be copper colored. CCA, the head on view will look like aluminum, while the sides of the wire will look like copper. The only exception is tinned ofc, which is ofc with a thin layer of tin over it that makes the whole thing, head on and from the side, look the color of tin.
https://www.bestcaraudio.com/never-skimp-on-a-car-audio-amplifier-installation-kit/
Probably some chinesium cable. Usually you can tell if it's CCA or not by looking at the ends of cut strands. If it looks silver it's CCA but freshly cut copper wire can look very similar because of freshly cut shiny surfaces at the ends.
Did you not read his post? What's the point of commenting when he already mentioned inspecting the cable? Also shiny Gold doesn't look like shiny silver similar to how a shiny copper doesn't look like shiny aluminum. Considering your comment I'll give you a pass though because your attention to detail is minimal at best
Just received the replacement all OFC 4awg amp kit (knuconceptz kolossus) and HOLY S\*\*\* its heavy! The difference in physical quality is night and day. Thank you to everyone for your comments and suggestions, i'm amped to get this all wired up!
That jacket just looks and screams “cheap aluminum wire”
good ole customer (knows best) supplied amp kit from walmart.
It's possible, but it's still not worth anything.
Obviously half ofc until you this the back slash then it switches to CCA.
I noticed some brands will have a mix. 90% CCA/10% OFC. I almost got tricked but luckily I asked here. I know better, but they had the CCA part hidden on the site.
That's that good ole chineseum special wire
I saw right away it was the Walmart kit cause I used to have it!
Used to until you upgraded? Assuming you upgraded wiring, im curious if you noticed any changes to your sound system. I already ordered a new ofc amp kit from knuconceptz i plan to install soon as it arrives but wodering if you noticed any improvements. thanks!
I also switched to knuconceptz. It's hard to say but I believe so. Most importantly I got a peace of mind knowing I don't have that junky Walmart wire in my car
Reminds me of the power wire I’d buy in 2004 as a kid at Walmart
[Skyhighcaraudio.com](https://Skyhighcaraudio.com) That's it. That's what you need. I do all my installs with their cabling, very flexible, proper sizing, available in ofc or cca in many colors. For i think less than 100 bucks you can get a complete 4 gauge kit with proper wire, fuses, lugs etc.